I own 2 p10c’s. I bought my first, sold my G19 and haven’t had any issue with the gun since. Bought a second p10c about 2 months ago that was/is a project pistol. Had the slide milled and an RMR installed before I ever shot it. First range trip to zero the dot and put some rounds through the new gun. I put 150-200 rounds through the gun no malfunctions. 2 days later after 2 dry fire sessions in between I happened to be changing the striker spring and some other parts and found the tip sheared off of the striker. The same thing you experienced. But again I had no malfunctions on the range. So the striker tip had to have sheared off during DRY FIRE. Anyone calling you a liar need only do a quick google search as these MIM parts have been known to break and that whole batches of parts come out brittle. CGW makes a pretty penny selling steel firing pins and I’m not sure why cz hasn’t fixed the issue yet. Maybe the new American made P10s will be better but until then spend the $60 and buy a steel part. I have had zero other issues with either of my p10c’s. I compete with a p10c, and I still trust my life with it. I’m financially invested in my 2 CZs so I chose to fix the problem and move forward. But I completely understand just selling them and buying something else, and I don’t think I will ever buy another CZ because this. They know they have a problem yet they don’t fix it and give their customers a hard time when the parts they know can fail in fact do.
I've been somewhat amazed, and amused, by the reactions folks have had to my striker breaking. I made a follow-up video, and was again told that I must've fabricated the whole thing. Anyhow, I'm sorry you've had to deal with the same issue, and though I ought to just pony up for the CGW striker, I haven't been able to force myself to buy one, purely out of principle.
CZ includes a snap cap with their P10 series for dry firing. Additionally, Cajun Gun Works sells a hardened tool steel firing pin to address this failure.
It's not good. A catastrophic failure like that casts doubt on a lot of things. I'll keep you updated. Hopefully the new assembly will arrive in the next few days.
Nice video ! Just to share some info. I am from Brazil 🇧🇷 and had the exactly same problem with my CZP10F. The tip of the firepin just broke off with about 5k dry fire training. Found your video searching infos about this problem. It’s sad that CZ haven’t fixed that issue since then because your video is already from 3 years ago and my CZP10F is just new (bought in 2021). At last it worths to mention that i am a police officer and that’s my duty gun, imagine what could have happened.
The same happened to my CZ P10 C. I was on the range and - click. I ordered new firing pin. The CZ do not deliver Switzerland and only way to get was to order to my post in Germany . Very disappointed.
WOW! When I saw this pop up in my notifications, my heart dropped because I know you're an extremely honest person. Thank you so much for sharing this. This deeply disturbs me. I've had this gun on my nightstand for the past month, and even though I only put around 1,700 rounds through mine, I just assumed it was on the same level as Glock status reliability, which was just a lazy mistake because you never know. I hate to say it because it's said so much but there's always that "What If". I'm going to have to take a real hard look at this pistol and start putting a lot more rounds through it. Knowing the quality of CZ I just never would have thought...and that's a shame with the customer support. I was wondering why you had the P10 just sitting there in the Glock 45 range day vid. Thanks again for sharing and I'm sorry this happened man. This is a big WTF moment
I thought of you when I made this video. I was hoping you'd see it. This whole thing made me feel sick, for a lot of reasons. I encouraged a few people to buy these, because mine had stood up to some serious abuse, but knowing this, perhaps it hadn't. I never would've thought to check for fractures on the pin. Also, I had gotten to where I trusted this gun implicitly, and it's easy to forget that the design is just over a year old; it had started to feel like an HK or my Beretta to me. I still think that this gun is very, very reliable...if you have a pin that will last. I consider myself to have above average knowledge of the inner working of guns from tinkering over the years, and I can't think of a good way to check for that. That's a big problem. You'll always wonder. I think if your gun passes 4000 rounds or so, you're in the clear, but I had assumed that I was past the point that something would break after 2800 or whatever it is. And the customer service, man, that really irked me. They couldn't understand why I thought this was such a big deal. It's probably irritating that I always mention Ruger, but folks like you and I shoot so much that we break our guns, and it feels good to know that I'll always have help from the manufacturer. Whenever I buy a new revolver, I always end up with a Ruger for that reason. Other guns feel great, but Ruger understands that they make guns, and guns are big pieces of metal that have a really hard life, and will likely be abused by dumbdumbs like me. But anyway, hopefully CZ will realize this is a serious, serious problem and fix it -- if they do, they'll have probably the best striker-fired gun on the market. But it's got to work long term. Oh, and while we're talking, a note about Berettas: when yours come in, sometimes they are fit so tightly, especially the Italian ones, that they will have failures for the first 100 rounds or so. That works itself out, and is just part of buying a handmade gun. Just thought I should share. Not all of them do it, but there's a 25% chance.
And hey, you're right about Glocks. My G22 shot over 20k rounds without a failure, and I sure as shit don't expect to see any from my G45. Your 19 will outlive us both.
I should also add that it was really hard to sit on this video for 4 days, but I had to wait and see what CZ would do. I never put out a negative video until the manufacturer has a chance to make it right. I firmly believe in trying to be as objective as possible, and I need that second opinion from the creator of the product when things go bad. Sometimes, there is a happy ending, other times, there's really not.
That's exactly why I got a gut punch when I saw this video in my notifications. You're not one to rush a video out because your gun failed to stir shit up and create controversy. You genuinely wanted to get to the bottom of it and see what CZ would say and do. I trust your opinion to the fullest because you're a genuine person who wouldn't lie or create controversy just to get views. By the way, do you know when your gun was made or if it's a pre 2018 gun? Either way, I really hope CZ fixes this problem. I've been putting hella rounds through mine since this video, Oh and about the Beretta's, did my research on them and I am positive they're going to be one of my favorite handguns. All the reading I've done about these guns, and from what I've learned from you, the reliability and craftsmanship is second to none, and I can't tell you how excited I am to finally shoot my first Beretta at the range. Just as good as Glock, HK, and CZ, if not better. Every gun has a break in period and I fully understand. I first wanted to buy a Beretta when I saw Paul Harrell shoot his in numerous videos, planting the seed, and then you watered that seed, making it grow inside of me....that sounded weird, but HEY! You made me finally buy one. So, thank you for all the great content and info, I'm looking forward to more, And that really got my blood boiling when that guy told you to wait until the new strikers came in and then buy it....wtf
Wow! And I was just about to trade in a Sig P320 for a P 10c to go along with my CZ75BD. Going to further research any problem areas about the pistol before I make any such move or I might just go with getting an SP01 Tactical. Thanks for the important heads up. By the way, I’ve dubbed your intro music “Sunrise Over the Landfill”. It was a toss up between that or “Unarmed Drummer”. Keep the great videos coming!
Happy to share it, sorry it's bad news. I can say that my SP-01 Tactical has never broken a firing pin, or anything, for that matter. Also, I very much like your titles for my awful song, and this reminds me, I need to make some buffer music and an outro bit. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the heads up GP! This is very troubling. Can you give us an a rough round count when you experienced this failure? My guess is that the firing pin was not heat treated properly, or the carbon steel formulation was out of spec! This is a stark reminder that these pistols are machines and machines do break! This reminds me of the problem my department had with the Glock 19 In the late nineties we (The NYPD)switched from Winchester White Box(Yea I Know It's Crappy Ammo) 115gr FMJ to Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P HP. The Winchester WB as you know is loaded with brass case's the Speer Gold Dot is nickel plated.We started to experience a large number of broken, chipped extractors with the Glock m19. At our request Glock looked into the issue and eventually changed their heat treating process, which rectified the problem. I still prefer to use brass case ammo in my firearms!
Great to hear from you! I was hoping you'd chime in. The gun had around 2800 rounds through it when the failure occurred, and I suspect heat treating because I was routinely shooting the gun until it was too hot to touch, letting it cool, and doing it again. But, the gun should've been able to handle this. My Berettas can do it, and so can my Glock. And my HKs. Everything breaks, but they certainly could've handled it better. As always, thanks for taking the time to comment and share your experience, it's very helpful.
I can't remember where I heard or read it but someone said that they talked to CZ about an issue with the P10c@@thegunpenguin and they were told not not dry fire the pistol w/o a snap cap! Im just curious how many of these firing pin issues have occurred?
@@TheGV50 That's VERY interesting! I'm leery of any design that can't stand up to dry firing. They should've known when they designed the gun, Americans are going to universally dry fire these guns, often without snap caps. As for the frequency, I looked around online, and it doesn't seem common, but if something is going to break, that seems to be one of the common parts, if that makes sense.
Wow! Thanks for posting this. I've been on the fence about buying this gun for a while, but I keep hearing about failures. What a shitty experience with customer service.
Thanks for watching, and I hope this is helpful to folks. If you get one with a sound firing pin, they run flawlessly, but this is a serious problem. But my customer service experience bothered me far more than the actual failure itself.
This same thing happened to me 2 days ago on a Friday. I attempted to submit a warranty claim with them so I could send it back. I tried twice on my phone and a few times on the computer and there was an issue with their website. I called customer service and explained what had happened. The gentleman I talked to told me to fill out the form online. I told him I attempted to and was unsuccessful. He seemed not to care either way and told me to try again tomorrow and if it’s still down to call. This is my only handgun so I will be out of a carry gun until the issue is resolved. The plan is to send it back and have them fix it and when I get it back to replace the striker with a Cajun gun works tool steel striker. I also have been having an issue with the auto forwarding slide feeding ammo when using it with a fully loaded magazine.
I'm sorry that happened, and I'm doubly sorry that you don't have something to carry. As much as I love this gun, I find it hard to recommend as a defensive option. You're far from the only person who's had these issues. Let us all know how it goes.
Thank you for the very, very generous compliment, and I appreciate you watching my terrible video. I hope you enjoy your P10C, and I have faith that they've sorted out the parts supply issues at this point.
Hi Vincent, thanks for watching! The P10C is back up and running, and I've been testing the new striker assembly to see if I can repeat the failure before I make an update video. So far, the gun is back to feeling like its usual exceptionally great self! With any luck, it'll stay that way. As I noted in the video, I had them send me a striker assembly, after they had much difficulty locating one, rather than sending them the whole gun. Fingers crossed that the new one holds up! I hope you're enjoying the holiday, and again, I appreciate you watching my video.
Just an observation that I haven't seen anyone on youtube address yet. The newest Glocks have had internal components redesigned and I'm talking about springs. All but the magazine release spring now uses a "simple" coil spring, specifically in a compression format. Using the springs this way should make them less prone to breakage or at least extend the life. Where so many of Glock's competitors push to have better ergonomics or whatever, Glock appears to be simply making theirs just more durable. Would make for an interesting video though.
I've detail stripped a few of the gen 5s, and I've also noticed that the internals are better fit than they have been on prior generations. I don't know if it's simply due to more precise manufacturing or what, but it's noticeable. So far, I can help but be impressed. The 43X will be getting a hard workout tomorrow. Great catch on the springs -- I didn't even notice. What I enjoy immensely about your comments: you've got a great eye for detail, and I both agree and disagree with you. I'd argue that Glock has focused on ergonomics. Though the finger grooves, or lack thereof, are much hullaballoo about nothing, I've found the G45, the gen. 5 MOS guns, and the 43X and 48 to be much more comfortable than past models. I also can't agree that other manufacturers shouldn't have focused on ergonomics. Let's have it all! I want my cake, I want to eat it, and then I want to buy more awesome cake! It doesn't have to be one or the other. Along with the rest of the shooting community, I often forget how crazy Glocks seemed when they were released, and how many problems they've had along the way. These other designs will be refined as they spend more time out in the wild, and I'm happy to along for the ride. But, that said, I totally agree with you that Glock has done an amazing job of somehow baking more and more durability into the design. And I doubt they'll stop here; at least, I certainly hope they won't. I'm really enjoying this new Glock renaissance. The G45 is a treasure, and the 43X is one of the most comfortable guns I've ever fired. 5 years from now, I doubt we'll think of Glocks as being uncomfortable. Instead, we'll just see the improvements. As always, I appreciate your thoughts, and thanks for the interesting conversation! (This was hastily types and likely contains piles of grammatical errors and incomplete thoughts. Sorry.)
@@thegunpenguin The Glock gen 5 turned out shit. CZ is a Czech republic brand CZ USA doesn't give a fuck they get paid anyway. Dealing with actual CZ you'd have a different outcome. I have 2 with more rounds and zero issues. Also I have my gunsmith mill me out new components on everything I own. 99% I've never used but I have.
great video. for reasons i don't totally understand, striker guns seem to shear firing pins much more frequently than hammer guns. it's another reason I go with the hammers (as I sense you do as well).
I've noticed this as well. This is speculation, but I think they might break because of the forces exerted on them when they flop around in there. There's far more wiggle room than there should be in the striker channel on a lot of these guns, and I suspect it stresses the pin, in some cases. What do you think? And you're right, with the exception of my trusty Glock and PPQ, I prefer hammer-fired guns. I've yet to have a parts breakage on a quality DA/SA pistol.
Thanks for the kind words, and for watching. It's a great gun, but they've got to sort this out ASAP. And like you said, there are so many that work every time.
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@@thegunpenguin the guy in the background is having a good old time with the 1911 and your looking for cover to fix it lolz. Oh sh!t say it ain't so. Lolz
GP I just checked Cajun Gun Works website and saw they have a Forged Striker replacement for the CZ P10c. The description states that the factory MIM(Cast) part has a tendency to break off at the tip! I'll be installing this part on my P10c no doubt!
Wow! This is why I hold your opinion and experience in such high esteem. That's an outstanding find! That makes it even more inexcusable that the situation was handled in the way that it was by CZ support. If this is a known problem, there needs to be a forged striker in every P10C leaving the factory.
@@TheGV50 Will do! The new striker arrived today, and dropped in just fine, business as usual. I'm going to order a forged one also, as I don't have any faith in the gun after what happened. It's gone from being a serious defensive option to a toy, in my mind.
TheGV50 thanks so much for that info! The first thing that came to mind when I saw this video was whether or not CGW made a firing pin assembly. I am a huge fan of CZ and CGW (P10C is my defensive pistol and I have a Cajunized P01 and 97). I am placing an order with CGW tonight.
What year was your P10c made? I got off the phone with Thomas from CGW because nobody at CZ answered. Thomas said that some of the early production runs had striker issues but the new ones (2018 production year) are GTG. They sell a tool steel striker and they back it up with a life time warranty.
Let me ask you this how much did you dry fire the pistol compared to the Glock? Because I dry fire the hell out of the pistol because it has such nice break and reset that it’s like clicking a pen.
Bought my second p10c in March 2023 great deal on OR suppressor height night sights version sub $359. Put in around 300 rounds. Dry firing maybe once a week about 30-50 cycles. Went to the range June 18 2023 would not fire. Broken striker. I’m glad this happened before I put in a round count that I consider CC ready.
I really appreciate your honesty about this and I really appreciate the fact you apologized for recommending the gun. I personally don’t own one and now I probably won’t but that’s ok by me. I will just go buy the 75 👍🏻! Again keep these great videos coming buddy
As always, thanks for watching, and for the kind words. I felt really guilty for all the praise that I had heaped on this thing, and I had figured after it fired like 2000 rounds without a hitch that this things was pretty sound. But, some good news: apparently, CZ has moved production to the US, and I'd bet that all of these problems will be sorted out shortly, if they haven't been already. If you were going to pick up a 75, which one would it be? I've got the SP-01, but I'm eying a Shadow II, specifically the one with the blue grips.
thegunpenguin your welcome! And yes the 75 is a great gun from all I have heard. I am picking up the 75 D PCR. I have heard all good things about this gun and this will be my first CZ and I am looking forward to it. I was also looking at the phantom 2 but I’m looking for a new carry gun so I am going to go for the PCR myself. If u get the phantom do a review of it. Do u have a review of the P01
The PCR is one of the coolest compact guns ever. Awesome choice! I have a review of the SP-01, but not the P-01. At this point, I'll probably end up with a Shadow II before anything else. I spent some time with one recently, and it made me lust after one something fierce.
You really can! They have always bent over backwards to help me with anything I've ever needed. In my mind, they are the model for firearms customer service. I'm very glad you had a similar experience!
This happened to my s&w sd40ve after 280 rounds. They made me send it in. Wouldn't even "sell" me a part. 7 weeks at s&w. It's fixed now and 400 more rounds through it. But I'm really having a hard time trusting it. Kinda like the hot girlfriend that cheated once.
Sorry to hear about this issue you had but I thought to mention a couple of points. First, it is always a good idea to have a small range kit with replacement parts just in case this sort of thing happens. Parts can break at any time so having replacements is just common sense. The P10 is a brand new design and as you mentioned it still needs to go through some sort of durability endurance test. The Glock pistols have been around for years and even then at the beginning it wasn't really clear how well they would hold up over time. Too many people get hung up on how all these new guns feel in the hand or if it has this feature or that, I prefer something that has proven itself as reliable. Saying that, I still keep a range kit for my Glock 19 which has a complete spring kit, pins and a striker. My P10 hasn't gone to the range often and was only intended to provide a comparison against Glock. Though some parts appear to be built pretty beefy (barrel, slide rails, etc.) I feel the fact of the usage of several pins in the lower receiver indicates a lot of weak points that maybe overlooked. The small odd shaped "automatic safety spring" is another interesting part that does not look too durable. We will just have to see.
As you mention, a few of the internal parts likely need to be re-worked in the long run. I'm sure that we'll see a 2nd generation P10C that will sort out a lot of these problems, but I'm most concerned with CZ USA's supply chain. I can break just about any gun if you leave me alone with it long enough, but I certainly expect a manufacturer to have replacement parts, especially major components that are most likely to fail, on hand. In general principle, I agree with you. If someone is able, it's best to have spare parts. In an alternate reality, in which I'm smart, and other people are smart too, we buy lots of replacement parts and keep them on hand. But in our reality, that's just not what happens, for a variety of reasons. In the case of the P10C, I couldn't have purchased a spare striker assembly even if I was smart enough to want to, which I'm certainly not. So, I'm torn here. On the one hand, you're absolutely right that it is most prudent to buy spare parts. On the other hand, the gun ought to run far more than 3k rounds before the firing pin snaps. Glocks break firing pins, but they don't break them often enough that standard users expect to replace them, in some cases, ever. The P10C, based on anecdotal internet evidence, seems to break pins far more often. So, again, I'm torn. The P10C's pin ought to last at least as long as a Glock's, given the implication of CZ's marketing comparing the two in a not-so-subtle way. I shoot my Glocks a lot, and hard, so I keep certain parts on hand that I know wear out, but I usually have a good idea of when those parts will wear out, and I wasn't thrilled with the surprise offered by the P10C. Again, Glocks break randomly as well, just less often. Also, I'm not so sure that it's unwise for folks to focus on how a gun feels. We buy guns to shoot them, and shooting is fun and cool. Guns that are cool and fun to shoot lead to more practice, and more gun purchases. Latching on to a new untested product, preferably a super cool badass one, leads to the development of more new and exciting guns. My beloved Glocks are arguably the pinnacle of present pistol design, but they are not the pinncale of all pistol design into perpetuity. The gun community has a bad habit of going with the safe option. Buying the newest thing and harassing the manufacturer to sort out the kinks moves firearms forward, and we're already to a place where you stand a good chance that a brand new design will at least sort of work, which is a huge improvement over the decades behind us. In 20 years, it might not be unreasonable to expect most new design to run as well a Glock 19, if we keep buying them and pushing manufacturers. Anyhow, I very much enjoyed your comment, and I appreciate you taking the time to share you experience and perspective. Great stuff!
Interesting, I had not considered the implications of purchasing new firearm designs to test and provide feed back to manufacturer's in regards to function and durability. Then again, I haven't really held onto them long enough or put enough rounds to wear them out to get personal experiences of such things. Like your content and I will subscribe to follow this CZ experience further. I will admit, I brought my newly purchased P10 and G19 to the range for the initial test fire and ended up putting most of the 200 rounds through the P10. Want a PPQ but they are hard to find near me. Will keep my eyes open for anything new from the major ones. Btw, have you had a chance to look at that new Beretta? Not sure it's need either but I am considering starting a 9mm (ammo consistency) Glock size striker-fired collection (gotta do something for a hobby).
@@jessebitgood3644I firmly believe that buying new and exciting guns is critical. Within reason, I mean. Some ideas just obviously suck, but if I see that Beretta or HK or Glock puts out something new, and I like it, I buy it and test it. My channel mostly focuses on endurance testing, usually to 3k rounds, though the P10C made me think that's not enough, though I don't know if I can afford to test much past that. Speaking of, I picked up a Glock 43X, and the testing has begun. But, that one isn't going to have a problem. I love my PPQ and P99, and I hope you can fine one; they are a pleasure to shoot! And sturdy. Despite being completely obsessed with all things Beretta, I haven't bought the APX yet, though I certainly will. If you get one, let me know how you like it. I've never had a Beretta that was anything other than indestructible, so hopefully the APX follows that tradition. What did you prefer about the P10C when you shot it? If you don't mind me prying. I'm honored that you would want to subscribe, and thanks for the interesting conversation. Much appreciated.
Though I was first reluctant to buy a P10 (gosh there are a lot of pins in this thing) the basic overall layout seemed to address a lot of the design issues regarding Glock ( fully ambidextrous, front serations, smoother trigger, and metal sights. Mine came with the night sights and all for just about $530 including tax). Though I have never had a problem shooting a Glock, and the finger grooves never bothered me, I do like the new Glock 19 gen5 MOS more then the old generations. The fact of the matter is I can't find anything on the P10 I feel the need to change. I always switch the connector on my Glocks to the "-" from the G34 and almost always get fiber optic sights for GSSF. I'll give a shout out if I get something that you end up making a video about.
I'm with you, the P10C just feels right, from day one. And for the money, they are a stupid good deal. Speaking of the 19 MOS, I'm resisting the urge to go buy one.
Happened to my friend's CZ, and one week later, mine broke-- thankfully during dry practice with a laser cartridge! Both of us upgraded to a Cajun Gun Works tool steel striker. Definitely a deal breaker for this pistol!
I assume they want to find out what batch your gun was made so they can see if there was an issue. I saw one person that his Cajun works striker break. CZ customer service has been great with me. I had an issue with the drop safety and they sent me an entire new striker assembly, that works! I do not know if there is a difference between Check made and USA made ones. I use the snap cap that came with it for dry fire. I know they have made changes to this pistol over the years. Mine are all made in 2022 and 2023. I guess always have a backup. (2) is (1) and (1) is none.
I joked about it in my original review, but I didn't dry fire the gun excessively, though I definitely dry fired it. No more than I would any other gun I have on my nightstand. However, I have no way to know how much it was dry fired at the shop before I took it home. It has been suggested by others that this firing pin isn't able to tolerate much dry firing, but I have no idea if that's true or not. I'm dry firing the new firing pin more that the old one in an attempt to break it. If dry firing did cause it, that's obviously a problem, and if it didn't, it's still a problem. Either way, I hope CZ resolves the problem, or at least resolves the problems with their supply chain. Things break. I'm not as worried about the actual breakage as I am the problems I encountered with CZ USA.
My firing pin broke this weekend. The tip broke off. Exactly 1k rounds, and a lot of dry-fire WITH snapcaps (so in total like 4-5k). Bought in 2021. Don't have any other handgun. My trust is broken. Thinking about buying something else... Really sad to see they didn't fix it
What year was yours made in .I know you bought in 2021 but it cool been a 2018 .I bought one in December 2023 it was made in June 2021. I had to send in to cz because of the slide stop spring design issue only had about 34 rounds. Got it back so far so good but man I don't 100% trust it. Lots of issues with these. I have seen some built like tanks and some built like crap. Hit and miss
Haha! Thanks! Fluffy hair is very important. This was truly unfortunate, both my hair, and the CZ. It had about 2800 rounds through it. But, they were a hard 2800 rounds, with me shooting the gun until it was really hot. I really hope this is an isolated problem. Also, if you want to see more range footage, check out my Glock 45 and Ruger Redhawk range day. You can see me shoot both of those guns really badly. As always, I appreciate you taking the time to comment, and watch the videos, I just wish this one wasn't negative. It's never fun making a totally negative video.
@@thegunpenguin it's my pleasure brother, you got my support and I was a little dick hurt there wasn't any joking in this video.. but I got over it. I'll check out the G45 and Redhawk video, but I pray to God this was an isolated problem cuz the P-10c is the shit and I hope this doesn't happen to me.
@@Macedonia-is-Greek Thanks, that support means a lot. I don't have many subscribers, but I care A LOT about ya'll, and am very grateful for you guys, and I had to put this out in case somebody else had a fucked up pin. I never would've known this had happened if I hadn't gone to the range that day, and it scared me. I had to think really hard about putting jokes in this one. I really, really wanted to, but I didn't want to undercut the message. I'll make up for it with something lighthearted in the next week or so.
I had a CZ P07 that had a failure after 200 rounds. It was the firing pin retaining pin that broke. I was carrying a broken gun for about a week. Took it to the range only to find out the firing pin was stuck forward in the channel. The hammer couldn't make contact. I traded it for g19.5. Now I have 3 Glocks and none of them have issues. I dry fire them all the time. After doing research it seems like CZ has bad metallurgy. Glock has had problems as well, but their QC is better.
Thank you for the info, and I think your assessment is totally sound. Don't get me wrong, CZs are awesome, and I've broken a Glock also, but it seems that I chronically damage my CZs, using them less frequently. In my experience, Glocks, HKs, Berettas, and Walthers are nearly indestructible. Again, I appreciate you taking the time to watch and share your experiences! Very helpful!
@@colinsaint5726 You're awesome, and I'm grateful that you would want to watch my terrible videos! But seriously, thanks for the info -- those sorts of individual anecdotes really help me.
I have sent my firearm back and just got confirmation they received it. They say it will take 4 to 6 weeks for the repair. I am waiting with baited breath and hoping they get it done sooner.
Thanks for this Video. I just went to the range for the first time yesterday with my new CZP10C. Although very accurate, right out of the box I had issues with failure-to-fire. It was an intermittent problem. It would go "bang" a few times and then "click", eject, load another round and Bang. Fire a few more and then "click". And, I am not shooting sub-quality ammo. Really disappointed. I just fired off an e-mail to CZ. Let's see how they respond.
Hey Greg, sorry you're having trouble. If you don't mind, let me know what CZ tells you. Was there a dent in the primer? I'm not suspecting hard primers -- rather, an issue with the striker assembly. Thanks for letting me know, and gain, sorry you're having issues.
@@thegunpenguin Hey. I am letting you know where we are today. I did get a pretty timely response from CZ-USA, but, when I followed their link I met with some issues. I could not get a RA. Here is the response from them, and my reply. "I have followed this to the letter and am getting the following message. This form is for FIREARM WARRANTIES ONLY. For WARRANTY PARTS RETURN, please click here This should not be such a challenge to get done. Please contact me at 850-374-****. I have a firearm that does not perform and is dangerous with the failure to fire issues I am having. After researching the issue I am having I have found that there are others that are having the same issues and are having trouble getting this resolved. I would suggest you contact me immediately to avoid further action. Below is my issue. I took my Firearm to the range for the first time and had several failure to fire issues. I would fire a few rounds and then, click, eject, and then fire again. After a few more rounds I had the same failure to fire. It seems to be that the striker is not consistently making contact with the primer. I have researched this and have found that this is a "common" problem with this firearm. I had hoped to make this my primary carry option, but, after the first time at the range, I am not sure. Please. Let's get this fixed and as soon as possible. This is a HUGE inconvenience. Appreciate your help. Below is my original request. Dated December 29, 2019 I purchased a CZ P10C and took it to the range yesterday for the first time. The Serial Number is C7*****. I had several issues with failure to fire like the firing pin was not making consistent contact with the striker. This was an intermittent problem as it would shoot a few rounds and then "click" failure, eject, fire and then click again with another failure to fire. I had planned on making this my primary carry option. Now, not so. I am certainly disappointed to have a handgun that won't go bang when you need it to. I would appreciate a call back at 850-374-**** or a reply to my e-mail so we can get this sorted out. Yes, I also let others fire the handgun and it happened to them too. So, not user error. Please do get back with me asap as I have invested in your product and it is failing on my first trip to the Range. Respectfully, Gregory Chambers We need to get this DONE. There are many others that are having issues with this as demonstrated on many videos. Either get this fixed, or refund me for the purchase of this firearm. If you refund, I am happy to return the firearm to you as it is just a paperweight at this time since it is unreliable. I expect a call at 850-374-**** on Monday January 6, 2020 Thank you. The Gun Penguin, if you have any ideas please feel free to message me at facebook.com/americanverity or email at gregory@americanverity.com Look forward to hearing from you. Needless to say, I have gone back to the GLOCK 19 until this gets resolved (if it ever does). Is there another aftermarket striker assembly that will work? I would appreciate your help.
@@gregorychambers5847 I'm sorry that this still isn't resolved. This is probably a silly question, but have you tried calling them? I've only ever dealt with them by phone. You can get an aftermarket striker, a forged one, from CGW, but it's not the entire assembly. You'll have to break down the OEM one and transfer the spring and sleeve. It's fairly easy. But, I haven't tried the new striker myself. There's no guarantee that the problem is the actual striker. It could be any of the following: the striker spring, the sleeve, the connector, or the striker channel itself. I wouldn't be confident enough in the root cause to recommend a solution without having your gun in front of me. I hope that helps!
@@thegunpenguin Yes. That helps. I have called them (both Dan Weldon) and CZ-USA and I cannot get anybody on the phone. I am still working on it. Hopefully we can get it resolved. Or, they give me my money back and I buy another GLOCK!!
@@gregorychambers5847 I have no doubt that they will eventually resolve it, but you might be so put out with them by the end of the process that you have little interest in another CZ process. At this point, I've found that I can break just about any CZ product, including the Scorpion through relatively hard use. Hard use for a civilian, anyway. They're truly great guns, but they aren't as durable as some competing options.
I live in Brazil and sorry for my English. I have a Glock G19 Gen5 and would like to buy a different weapon. Actually the CZ P10 C OR, was on my shortlist. Could you indicate on pistol for concealed carry/defensive?
I've been seriously considering this gun . But I've been seeing a few problems with it like this , frame cracking etc. Do u think it's still reliable or should i pay the extra money and get a glock 19 instead?
I do think it's still reliable, mostly because CZ has almost certainly worked out the parts supply issue, which was my chief complain. I've broken a lot of guns, but I had never had a manufacturer tell me they didn't have a critical part in stock. Which way do you lean, G19 or P10C? I can say that I've heard from a lot of people who have broken Glock firing pins. But, those are easier to come by.
@@thegunpenguin I think I'm leaning towards the glock even though I really like the CZ . In my area the glock is only 50 bucks more so I feel it's the better bargain
I had mine break as well in my first year. Now granted i would say it was from the extremely excessive dry firing with it. But it most be noted that they should have higher quality firing pin. I got an improved one and it is definitely better quality.
And now listening to the rest of your video, your experience with them is unacceptable. And hopefully cz america is better at fulfilling their customers need. Im very glad that i discovered the broken firing pin outside of a defensive situation. Its been my carry gun since it came out...
@@thegunpenguin now with that said, i still carry it everyday with complete confidence it will be there for me in that time of need. Its just a great gun...
Would you trust one of the USA optics ready models or did the whole situation turn you away from the P10C all together? I’m still torn between a P10C and Glock 19. I like the simplicity and less moving parts in a Glock but the ergonomics of the P10C
Honestly, no, I wouldn't trust it. That said, the optics-ready models are super fun to shoot! For a serious defensive pistol, the gen. 5 19 MOS is the way to go, for sure. A PPQ or VP9 cut for optics would be great too, but the Glock is a bit easier to conceal. I haven't made a video about this because I don't want to put anymore hearsay out into the world, but I've heard from an alarming number of folks who have had trouble with their P10Cs. Far too many. Versus a few for every other model. Manufacturers inevitably make lemons, but there are some weak points in the P10C design that hold it back. And if I'm brutally honest, it's a budget gun, at least relative to Glock/HK/Walther/et. al. There's a reason that they regularly turned up for $380 prior to the pandemic. I'm not trying to diminish the P10C -- prior to the problems I had, it was my favorite striker-fired gun -- but if you're buying a gun to trust with your life, it'd be morally questionable for me to tell you the CZ is good enough. Or any CZ, if other options are on the table. I've broken several other models.
5-3-23, is there an update to this experience with CZ ?. Im watching this because I'm considering a P-10 C. What an outrage! No parts!, No expected time when available.!! Your talking with CZ US, they produce pistols here in Kansas City, KS!! and no parts!! WTF indeed. Have other firing pins failed? Good video 👍 thank you. CD in New Hampshire. (No SIG's for me )
Thanks for watching, and I totally agree, the low round count makes it doubly unacceptable. I've got the new striker assembly installed, and I'll put the gun through some rough firing sessions, and we'll see how it holds up. I appreciate you taking the time to comment, and I hope your striker is holding up well.
@@thegunpenguin Actually the CZ was on my shortlist. Paying a visit to my local shop very soon, but won't be picking up the CZ I'm afraid. I'm hoping that what you experienced was a bad batch of parts... I'm going to pass on it for now . Most likely a Walther is what I'll be leaving with - P99 AS. Put the new striker through its paces, let'r rip!! The point you made about how often you're at the range was a good one. A person that goes once a month for an hour or so would've passed the warranty period for sure! Still, I don't like the fact that you had to mention, that the failure was on video to garner a response. Anyhow, I've taken enough of your trigger time. Get back at it!! Cheers!!
@@gldrifter3161 I wish it was just a bad batch of parts, but I'm seeing reports of this scattered across the internet. Not that you need unsolicited advice some weirdo on TH-cam, but I would highly recommend the P99 AS. That gun is amazing and gets none of the respect it deserves. By the way, thanks for reminding me that I had to mention the video to get this handled -- I keep forgetting that. Somehow, that feels most unacceptable, right? Damn, I just want to shoot my P99 now!
Same thing happened to my p-10, but I had a much different experience with CZ customer service. Spent about 5 mins on the phone and CZ next day air shipped my pistol both ways. They wanted me to ship the whole gun though because they didn't have any spare parts available and were going to pull parts off their assembly line (that's the story I got), they replaced the whole striker assembly and back plate. Gun was out of my possession for less than a week. Most of the metal parts in the p-10 are metal injection parts and it seems like the striker tip just isn't strong enough. I bought a tool steel striker from Cajun and keep the factory striker as a spare now.
I'm really glad that your experience was very different and that your gun is running once more! Thanks for sharing your interaction with CZ, and it makes me a bit more hopeful. I agree with you about the striker tip--I'm no expert in metallurgy, but I also felt that the tip seemed thin for a MIM part. It seems that a lot of commenters are going with the CGW strikers, and maybe that will encourage CZ to either improve the quality, and hopefully, geometry of their MIM striker, or move to a forged one.
What parts are MIM? I emailed CZ requesting a list of MIM parts but they did not reply. Why in the world would they make a firing pin MIM? Majorly Stupid. After this video I will definitely sell this thing.
I wish I would've seen this video before I bout my CZ P10C. My first day at the range and just 10 rounds in and my pistol started jamming, double feeding, and refusing to fire. Seems to be a problem with the extractor on a brand new pistol. I own another one that has never given me any trouble. But for some reason this optic ready version is not reliable at all.
Parts break regardless how well they are built. Had to send my CZ P10c back the same day I bought it, it would feed anything. They fixed it and had no issues with it. What I don't like about the CZ P-10c ? Design of the firing pin block, it's an accident waiting to happen. This is CZ attempt on a striker and like the first one, It's a failure! CZ been dropping the price on the CZ P-10c which you find it for $350 or less. Due to my concern with the design of the firing pin block, won't be part of my EDC rotation.
You raise a good point, that this is just one gun. Thousands of others haven't had this problem. It's still an awesome, reliable gun, if your firing pin is intact. The BDSM horse sends its apologies for the great paucity of equine pleasure in this video.
@@suwatt6019 FUCK YESSSS!!! Have you gotten to shoot it yet? Congratulations on the new CZ! Crippling parts breakage aside, this is till my favorite striker-fired gun by a long shot.
Many guns tell you not to dry fire a gun due to striker breaking. They advise you to use a snap cap. Glock is one that seems to never break from dry firing. I have several Cz. Was sorry to hear they didn't take care of you. I use snap caps when i dry fire but. I will be getting the upgraded striker now. Thanks for the video
Just had this happen to mine. Less than 3,000 rounds. It’s a shame because it’s such an awesome shooting gun and was also my carry gun for a long time.
2,600 rounds thru my late gen model no problems ever, but just in case i always check that my firing pin is protruding out of the striker wall or whatever its called every time i tear it down and i also dont dry fire it often and try to limit that its a shame it happens to these but i really enjoy it and still think its one of the best striker fired pistol ive shot and my dad is a glock fan boy so ive shot plenty of what glock has to offer, and nothing tops the cz
@@Everlongsafehaven I love the gun too, and that makes the problems all the more unfortunate. I might not trust it, but I certainly love it. Keep us all updated on how yours is doing!
Has anyone actually tested the aftermarket strikers to see which ones are stronger than the other or the oem? Actually measure how many pounds of pressure on the firing pin tip before it breaks off. I know it will cost a few hundreds of dollars to test and break the part, but won't that give everyone the answer we're looking for? I would be willing to donate money as I'm sure others will too, if someone has the equipment for testing. Thanks All
Hmmm... I was just thinking of buying one. GrabAGun has them for $399. Now I'm thinking of going with a Walther PPQ, as I already have several Glocks. Thanks for the video. I thought CZ's quality was very good and their customer service was similar. Giving you a runaround is unacceptable.
I've been downright mean to my PPQ, and it has performed really well. I don't find it as enjoyable to shoot as the P10C, but it always works, and the trigger is magical. My past experience with CZ was more in line with their reputation. My SP-01 is a tank, and has never required me to call customer service. Their handling of the situation, maybe more than the actual breakage kind of shocked me. Stuff breaks, but I care how a company chooses to handle it. For $399, though, you almost can't go wrong; that's a crazy price! Thanks for the kind words, and if you don't mind, let me know which one you decide on.
Yes, I have, called first thing this morning. The first guy I spoke with in customer service was very helpful. He then transferred me to the parts department and I spoke with a guy who was not as friendly and non sympathetic to my situation. Said they had a replacement striker assembly in stock and it would ship soon. I asked how soon because I am in law enforcement and was planing on qualifying with it next Thursday. He kept repeating, "some time next week, some time next week". I will order an aftermarket from Cajun Gun works as soon as they are in stock. Suarez International had some in stock, but I heard some negative reviews about them.
Man, I'm really sorry that you had such a similar experience. How long were you on the phone with them? I ask because I view your situation as very cut-and-dry. The striker broke. Send the customer a new striker immediately, as in, within the next couple of hours. Call me old-fashioned, but they should've bent over backwards to get you that striker -- that's what Ruger would've done.
Just out of curiosity could the striker been weakened due to long, often sessions of dry firing? It doesnt excuse the customer service but as a p10c owner i cant help but be curious as to why it broke and if theres any way to prevent mine.
That's a really good question, and something that I'll definitely address in the follow-up video. I dry fired it some, but probably less than most people. However, now that I have the new striker in, I'm fearful to dry fire the gun at all, after looking really hard at the part. The firing pin tip is just too thin for a MIM part that is under a lot of stress, and dry firing the gun is going to put far more stress on that tiny piece. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that MIM parts are inherently inferior, I just don't think that these are well-made enough to do the job they are being asked to do. The Glock firing pin is also a MIM part, but the tip is so much thicker, it's going to survive a lot longer. Anyhow, I hope this helps, and if I can provide any additional information, I'm happy to.
@@thegunpenguin i appreciate the fast reply and your response. Do you have any plans to try out the CGW striker ive seen people mention in the comments? Do you think it would add durability and keep the reliability?
@@atlas9.0 I'm happy to help. I do plan to try the CGW striker. Right now, I'm using the P10 C as a range toy, abusing it and the new striker to try and repeat the problem. If the new MIM striker breaks like the old one, I'll order the CGW. I just have to know if all of the MIM strikers eventually break this way, or if mine was a relatively isolated problem. Also, I do think the CGW striker will enhance durability, but that's speculation. Forged parts break too, just not as readily. But, I really trust CGW, and I don't think they would be hawking that part if it didn't do the trick. I'll keep testing the OEM striker, and I'll let you all know what happens; the plan is to dry fire this one more frequently to see if that does indeed play a role.
@@atlas9.0 I just had another thought that we both need to consider. I purchased my P10 C new from a gun shop, and it might've been dry fired thousands of times when I got it, by prospective buyers handling it. If you bought yours new and untouched, you might get more dry fire life out of the striker.
@@thegunpenguin i hadnt thought of that myself but youre so right. As for mine it was also bought new from my LGS but he uses zip ties as a chamber flag basically to keep the gun out of battery so i dont think he allows dry firing, ive never asked, but i know its common practice for people to want to try a trigger before purchasing. That definitely could be part of it. I look forward to your follow up video and im gonna consider the CGW striker if for nothing more than a backup. Thanks for reporting this. Have a good day and i hope all goes well!
Poor poor lil cz, I keep a hi point cf380 and the hi point 3895ts carbine right by my bed, I know ppl don't like hi points but mine work just a few double feeds in the cf, but these issues were fixed and they run great (for me). To think I was gonna get a cz but a few videos keep having issues with it until they replace all the internals (I'll pass) now the Glock 45? Hmmmm I'm looking at that one.
dammit , I was going to pick one up tomorrow.. dammit......thank you for the video sir ..guess I am gonna wait or look at something eles .. cz you gotta take care of your customers .. you had a good thing going,, do not screw it up
Hopefully, my customer service experience was abnormal. That was my only time ever dealing with CZ, and another commenter, who also had his firing pin break, had a completely different experience with them. Though I couldn't in good conscience keep my experience to myself, I have to note that you might buy one and have it run flawlessly for years. Also, there are few pistols as comfortable. Anyhow, just figured I'd weigh in, and I'm very grateful that you took time to watch and comment. Thanks!
handled one at gun store today and had to get it after all.. hopefully I will have no issues and if I do I hope I will have a better experience than you did .. again thanks for the video
@@spankyboy123 I'm glad you decided to get one, and I hope your experience is different. If you don't mind, please let me know if you have any issues. I'm working on a follow-up video to this one, and I want to be as objective as possible.
Thank you, my friend, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Mine is a mid-2018 model, but I'm betting that all of the problems were sorted out when production was moved to the USA. It wouldn't surprise me if the ability to quickly solve production problems was a small factor in the move. I really appreciate you watching, and for the kind words. This is my favorite polymer pistol ever, and that made the situation all the more disappointing.
@@thegunpenguin just pick up one made in the USA and hope no issues. Im a newbie. Toss up with the new m&p and p10c. Hope no regrets lol🤞🤞🤞wish I had seen this first
@@stateofmind4341If it's a new one, I think you'll be fine. I will be very, very surprised if you have any problems, to the point that I'll likely end up with a second US-produced model myself. Also, the M&Ps have their own issues, and between the two, you absolutely made the right choice. I know I can be brutal when I'm reviewing stuff, and I frequently piss off the 5 people who watch my terrible videos, but it's only because I love the P10C, and I want to see it perfected. This design is already my favorite polymer pistol, but with some further development, it could become the finest striker-fired gun ever produced. Anyhow, enough of my yakking. Not that the opinion of some random internet jackoff is worth much, but if I were you, I would shoot the hell out of my new P10C without worry.
@@thegunpenguin I read that some of the problems was in manufacturing. Older defective parts were being put back in the parts bin and installed in the new production models. Just because you get a newer model does not mean you won't get that old defective part. Even they don't know. Or do they? I have called CZ. They will say that they don't know of that issue and it is documented all over the internet. What is the serial number sir? The P-10 C is like the Yugo car from the 1970's. Thanks for the video. Time to trade my P-10C/Yugo for something else.
Hey Jesse, it seems to be doing ok now. It's raining so hard that I couldn't film at the range today, so I'll shoot an update video. I don't mind a little water, but the camera wasn't going to survive it. I appreciate you watching!
@@jessefolk1072 I don't know if this will help, but here's some info that I've received from other P10C owners: dry firing seems to hasten the breakage, you can get a forged replacement from CGW, and this doesn't seem to happen to everyone. I hope this helps, and congratulations on your new CZ! In my review, I said that this is my favorite striker-fired pistol, and even after this breakage, it's still the most fun to shoot. I don't trust it anymore, but it's still a pleasure to use.
@@thegunpenguin I'm not a big dry fire guy so that might help lol and yeah super comfortable. Looked at the p07 but not as mch to grab to manipulate the slide I think. I'll look at the cgw heard some good stuff on them
@@jessefolk1072 With any luck, you'll never have so much as a hint of a problem. Other than the firing pin, the inside of my gun is very sturdy, and after 3000 rounds, there's no strange wear anywhere. I hope you enjoy your P10C, and if you do have any problems, please let me know, and I'll add the info to future update videos.
Though I'm certainly glad that you swapped your striker, and the problem seems to be fairly well-documented, most folks buying this gun are not going to immediately pay $50 for a new striker after buying the gun. More than that, the fact that you felt the need to immediately change out your striker indicates a serious problem with this gun's striker. The CGW striker is a great bandaid solution, but it's not a real solution to this problem. We wouldn't accept that with any other design from any other manufacturer.
Execution in manufacturing is everything. Difference between decent gun (knife, light, ammo, etc.) companies and the good ones. Ergos, cool features, materials used...still wait 3-5 years for a model to be out regardless of brand name. Wish it wasn't necessary, but it is.
Interesting, I posted the following on another channel 6 days ago. "Bought the P10C a couple of weeks ago, not impressed with their customer service which should tell you a lot about what's next. First, gun shoots well excellent trigger. Cleaned the gun and headed to the range to put the first couple hundred shots through it. Was putting it back in my range bag for another outing a couple of days ago and noticed the guide rod was protruding. What they hey? Took it down and the guide rod screw had backed out.. Hmm, grabbed my 1/64 (I think) Hex and tightened it down 100 more shoots and it's backing out again. Check the google cuz it's my friend and I see this is an issue that others have encountered, Loctite yada yada. I call CZ, was not impressed he gave me the "it's a common issue" if you want to take care of it yourself break out the vice and a pair of needle nose pliers , Loctite red yada yada, or I can go to the warranty area and send in my defective part and they'll replace it? Never again and that's just on General principle, quality control must be an issue if it's a known issue, but at least send me the replacement spring without putting me through the hassle of return shipments and the like, I just spent almost $500 on your product /rant" Update they sent the replacement rod without requesting that I return the defective part, back to the range and the guide rod help up through 150 rounds. Trigger has a hitch seem like the "trigger safety" catches on the polymer lip if I engage high on the trigger.. Will Contact CZ and see what they say. Ruger SR9c over 5000 rounds underrated trigger and I've always heard their customer service is outstanding.. It's the one I keep in the nightand. HK VP9 after a very necessary break in seems to be solid.. Not enough rounds through my S&W 380 but no issues so far. Just disappointed in the P 10 C so far and I shot one before I bought it, trigger and value seemed outstanding
Thanks for taking the time to share that, and I'm sorry you've had issues as well. I wasn't so irked that my gun broke. Instead, it was the customer service that pissed me off. I suspect you'd probably say the same. Guns break. I care most how a company handles the problem. And I can tell you from personal experience that Ruger has the best customer service in the industry.
With respect - you mentioned in your previous video that you done 1000s of dry firing drills. Surely any firearm will eventually fail due to dry firing.. I've has parts fail eventually on my G19.. Things happen. Personally that's why I have a EDC carry Gun and a EDC Range (dry firing FA)
If you watch the video, you'll note that my primary complaint is the customer service problem, more than the firing pin. A parts breakage isn't particularly noteworthy, but a company failing to keep firing pin assemblies in stock is. That said, the striker shouldn't have failed when it did. Here's why I think so: It would also seem that we have wildly different expectations regarding dry fire practice. You say, "Surely any firearm will eventually fail due to dry firing..(sic)" That is correct of any mechanical action that the gun performs. But you're right that dry firing a gun puts more stress on the firing pin than firing a round. Yet, I have guns that have been dry fired 100,000 times without issue. In the modern world, a firing pin failing at this point from dry firing is a problem, as Glock, Walther, HK, Beretta, and others have given us the expectation of years of consequence-free dry-fire practice. Some manufacturers will tell you that you can dry fire freely, without fear of damaging the gun. I normally wouldn't take the time to respond in such detail to a comment, but I think a discussion of expectations is valube, and I can point folks to this thread later. You're speaking in generalities, about a topic that requires precision. Dry firing damages the gun. Parts fail from dry firing. In which guns, at what points, made of what materials, manufactured when, with what round count? I do long-term firearms testing on this channel. Part of that involves dry firing. Here's what I know from testing: hammer-fired guns almost never break their firing pins, and few of them use MIM pins, though some do. The Walther MIM strikers rarely break. Glock strikers break far less often than CZ, and I've been able to easily break several CZ strikers. So, we can't just make a general statement that, if we dry fire, the firing pin could break at any moment. Instead, for the folks who will only own one gun, we need to know which one is most durable for long-term practice. I'm analyzing sample sizes of one, but until more folks stop reviewing guns after firing 300 rounds through them, it's all I've got to offer. Precision is important, and I encourage you to rewatch the video. I use your very words "things happen" in regards to parts breakages. But I hope we can both agree that the way CZ handled the situation is unacceptable.
@@thegunpenguin Thanks for the detailed response - truly food for thought! Makes one think deeply about what you should put on yourself as an EDC that you can truly count your life on. Ie: recently looking at FN509 midsize.. But there again firing pin breakages (trying not to deviate off topic - but there does seem to be a cat and mouse game with other Strikefire Manufacturers with reliability issues around firing pins more so than Glock.. Even though it can and does occur in Glock Pistols) my personal take on dry firing.. thinking this through, if I was doing serious dry firing drills and if it was my only Pistol I owned for EDC (my only go to Gun) I'd replace the firing Pin annually or note down a specific round count / dry firing count and minimize the EDC carry failure horror. (to determine the Replacement of firing pin to round count / dry firing count.. This is a bit of the unknown) Nevertheless best regards 🇿🇦 COLIN
I can't provide an opinion on the FN, as I've never tested one, but the ones I've tried at the range seem to at least feel decent. But yes, manufacturers are perpetually try to build a more robust firing pin that also keeps costs down. A forged pin would be ideal, but MIM isn't inherently bad, as we see with Walther. In the case of every pin I've broken, it occurred because there was some problem with the MIM part, usually a small void in the metal, that was stressed over time to the point that the pin broke. I've found Glock pins to be of medium durability. Certainly not the best, and far from the worst. And you're right, replacing parts annually would be ideal, but only dedicated aficionados are going to do that, and most of us that qualify for that label own far more than one pistol anyway. I hear from folks who can't even field strip their guns, or take the base plates off the magazines, let alone detail strip the slide to replace the firing pin or safety plunger. That's why I started these tests. I'm trying to figure out, as best I can, with the very limited resources that I have, which gun will serve the average person best. The good news: just as these folks will never maintain their guns, they will also rarely dry fire them. And if they are willing to commit to a dry-fire regimen, perhaps they will also commit to learning to swap the pins.
Good on you for posting this. I almost shot one of these one day and the same thing happened. The owner of the gun sent it back and from what I understood CZ told them somehow oil got in the firing pin channel making it make insufficient primer strikes. But if I remember right (and this was almost a year ago) there weren’t even strike marks on the primer.
I'm really sorry to hear that this happened to someone else. What you're telling me sounds like they definitely know about the problem. And for the record, you would have to have quite a bit of oil in the striker channel for it to interfere that much with the pin. That's just...unlikely. What do you think?
thegunpenguin ya that’s what I figured to or even a build up of grease and maybe if it was cold but that just doesn’t sound right. This gun had never even been shot so if it was over lubricated it came that way from the factory. Honestly I’ve never even seen the owner of that gun put oil in the striker channel let alone over lubricating it but he did do a lot of dry firing so I recommended he buy snap caps which he did and to my knowledge he hasn’t had a problem since.
@@StudentOfWarCustoms You raise a really good point, that the strike might not have been designed with the assumption that people would dry fire the gun often. But that's folly -- Americans dry fire like there's no tomorrow. Silliness. And really, your friend's experience with this gun might be worse than mine. You're absolutely right, if there's too much lube, it's because they put it there.
@@thegunpenguin I had initial issues with my CZ P10S but after I cleaned it and oiled it I had zero issues. It shoots great with no jamming after 400 plus rounds at the range. Mine is stamped Chech Republic on it.
Jesus Christ ! Ok so maybe they don’t have extra strikers ( horrible way to run company inventory) that rep on the phone should have went to the shop floor took one out of a gun that hasn’t left the building and sent it to you. If they didn’t have any “ parts” then you make the customer who bought the product already happy and keep the unsold gun at the shop and make it a new damn striker. Company’s don’t know how to make or keep an inventory. Damn dude that pissed me off. Yet people give shit to hi point or Taurus yet they have the best customer service from what I hear. Thanks for the video. Actually makes me question buying a CZ if I have to deal with idiots. I do that enough already don’t need to add more to the mix
I had wondered if that's what they did. First they didn't have one, then I told them I filmed it, and they magically had the whole assembly. More than any of the other shit that happened, this pissed me off. How the fuck do you not have a strike on hand? I appreciate you watching this, and sorry it's not a more upbeat video. I'm still angry this morning, and it's been several days.
@@drewcifer2a That bit fucking irked me. It felt like they were far more concerned about avoiding a PR problem than helping a customer fix their defensive weapon. That's fucked up.
Well came here for the striker info... found out you're a pro musician instead.. wheres that channel? I play guitar too. Just play locally at shows or jams. Sitting in here and there
Hell yeah! Always a pleasure to meet a fellow musician! And I'm honored that you'd want to listen to my terrible music. Right now, I'm trying to keep these parts of my life separate, but, I'm going to work to combine them a bit more in 2021. I'll post a link to a SoundCloud sometime at the start of the year, along with links to some of my favorite albums I've produced. Thank you so much for reaching out!
@@thegunpenguin oh man im quite sure if you are doing sessions and producing you're quite good. What styles do you play? Everything? Im into blues n rockish stuff. Josh smith n matt schofield type stuff
@@gookiecrunch Thanks! But even after all these years, I mostly torture ears. As you said, generally, I end up playing whatever I need to, across a variety of styles. I also produce the occasional audio book and a lot of podcasts. Always a pleasure to meet a blues fan!
The best dressed guy at the gun range. 'I'd like to meet his tailor, Ahoooooo Werewolves of London. His hair was perfect, Ahoooooo' 🎸🎸🎸 😁 My P10C has been perfect too for 2 1/2 years except for that pesky and sticky mag release. 🙄
My P10s after thousands of rounds has never had a failure of any kind. I shoot USPSA with a CZ CTS in the Limited class and always deal with CZ Custom in Mesa AZ. They are always eager to go beyond excellent customer service. CZ USA is a relatively new organization and the P10 series has seen very high sales volume so I can give them a pass on spotty parts issues. Formally I competed with a famous 2011 manufacturer and experienced the absolute worst customer service and lack of necessary parts. You got a bad striker, it happens!
How dare he make fun of my tribal tats and my Gucci Glock then proceeds to wear a leather jacket with grease hair scoop, and tinted glasses lol jk but that hurt lol great video man
thegunpenguin that was funny af I was like wait I have tribal tats wait I have Gucci Glock, lol you know what they say truth hurts just lean in to that shit and own it lol, love it man, love how u can take a joke to,and i actually sold my Glock and currently carrying a Czp10c so I guess it was a Glock killer for me! On a side note. To each it’s own
@@diehardoutdoors The P10C is an awesome gun! I've just had back luck with my CZs. I try not to take things too seriously, and that includes poking fun at myself. And for the record, I have a Gucci Glock or two laying around myself.
@@derekmckee4384 I'm very glad to hear it! I hope they've gotten the supply and customer service issues sorted out for good. I didn't care as much about the broken part as I did how they handled the situation. Guns break. Strikers break. But their response was lousy. Thanks for the very useful info, and I hope your gun is running again soon!
All CZ’s I buy go straight to Cajun Gun Works where the trigger is significantly enhanced and the striker is replaced to a more durable one. That p10 has an awful trigger compared to their double action pistols.
I don't really consider the P10 trigger to be in any way comparable to any DA/SA trigger. For me, it's more useful to compare it to other striker-fired guns. Looking at it that way, the P10xx trigger is one of the best, of that kind. And you're wise to send your CZs to Cajun -- their stock DA/SA triggers leave much to be desired. But, CZs are budget firearms. Once I'm spending Cajun money, I'd rather simply purchase a better gun, like a Beretta, perhaps.
It took me forever to get someone on the phone. I had to send one in back in February and a month later got it back. Mine only had 34 rds slide stop spring design. I got it back and put only 60 rounds the most i have ever been able to put in it. So far so good but i don't 100% trust it. Calling cz 1minute wait = 3 so 5 minutes wait = 15 minutes.
Sorry! But here's the good news: from what I hear from viewers, CZ is doing a much better job mailing out new strikers. Also, I'm sure they're working to solve the problem permanently, if they haven't already.
@@Armixs The internals are the same between the standard and suppressor-ready models. But again, I'd hope that they've fixed the problem at this point. If nothing else, most people are telling me that they are quick to replace the strikers. But, also, for the record, I'm still regularly hearing from viewers who have broken strikers.
I broke out the breach face of my glock 19 in 2 years. My P10f has been going strong for 4 years. Stuff happens. ANY gun can break. It is a tool. Don't get invested in the tool. Just get another one. They ALL will break. Yes....even Glocks.
CZ probably didn't know how to react to this particular problem because it was the very first time they heard of such a problem if not the only time. I tried to search TH-cam for another similar problem. Nothing.... What are the odds ? I'm sure you must be some really unlucky dude :) I tried to search for Glock problems on the other hand and I might need a second person next to me to help me count the number of problems people were facing with their pretty reliable Glocks.... Before you go trade your P10C's for shitty out of the box Glocks guys, do some more research. I got the P10C since it came out. Thousands of rounds with absolutely no problem. I got the P10F non OR as soon as it came out, same story.
I very much appreciate you taking the time to respond, but I respectfully disagree. Searching various forums, I'm able to find more than a few instances of the same breakage. As you note, Glocks break firing pins too. That particular problem is perhaps the most common thing to go wrong on a Glock. Neither one of us has any way to present hard numbers as to how many of each break, but there are more Glocks than P10Cs in the wild. Without numbers from the manufacturers, both of us are speculating about frequency. I noted it in the video, but it's worth saying it again: parts break, on any gun. That's not my primary concern. CZ's response was the cause for concern. But you're right -- someone buying this gun should do some research, and outside of TH-cam. A cursory Google search confirms that both P10Cs and Glocks frequently break firing pins. Only, Glock always has spares. The good news: I'd wager that, with CZ producing guns in the USA, it won't be a problem, getting firing pins in the future. One last thing that I ought to note. I'm not attached to one manufacturer, or one gun. I've shot too much, and for too long to think that way. Everything breaks. That said, I love the P10C -- it's my favorite striker-fired gun on the market. But that doesn't mean that this isn't a problem. I made sure that I found many other instances of this breakage before I created this video, and then I heard from more than a few folks who had the same problem. Don't take my word for it; check the comments of this video and others. But I totally understand your position, and I appreciate you taking the time to share it.
@@thegunpenguin Yeah my point was ALL companies have problematic firearms. I don't think you yourself were slamming the P10. A lot of Glock only people are. Glocks F up a lot. Difference is their output to fail ratio is def lower as they mass manufacture. I Don't and won't ever own a Glock after Gen 3. Gen 3 to me was Glock perfection. Or as close as they'll ever get. Just my Opinion. Im no expert. Just an enthusiast who's got nothing but gun buddies. Some Military and LEO. My reference on parts was how CZ seemed to BS you and play games. That's what was concerning! Made me smell some smoke. I have a p10c that was the last iteration of the 2017s early 18s before the backplate change. Im not too concerned with the Striker rotation. Ive manually engaged to the left and it always went back into battery.1500 rounds not one issue (knock on wood). Hopefully I won't die because any of my firearms stop working. Had a friend that went through a slew of Glock problems on his Gen 4 before he went back to a 3 I sold him. To this day that experience made him dislike Glocks which is ridiculous. Thank's for the reply and for your video! I hope these are isolated problems and not indicative of the platform as a whole. Subbed!
My intention was certainly not to slam the P10C, it's still my favorite polymer pistol by far, and any criticisms are offered because I want to see it improved as much as possible. I believe it can surpass the Glock in every performance metric, with enough tweaking. You make a good point about the gen. 3 Glocks -- my first one was a gen. 3, and it was indestructible! I completely agree with you about the CZ parts situation. Like I said in the video, I was far more bothered by how they handled the situation than the actual breakage itself. Again, as you said, every company makes lemons, and I can usually manage to break just about any gun, but I expect a company to have parts on hand, always. Also, the situation with your friend points to how we view products in general, and how ridiculous the human mind can be. We, myself included, will ignore the slew of public evidence regarding a product's track record and substitute in our own limited experience. I don't trust my P10C, but I absolutely trust P10Cs in general, and I'm coming back around with mine. Anyhow, thank you so much for subscribing, and taking the time to share your thoughts! I very much appreciate it! If you're ever bored, I made a follow-up video about my P10C, and I'd wager you'll see a P10F on the table before too long.
As far as CZ's customer service I had the opposite experience. I bought the Suppressor ready P-10C with the Suppressor height Tritium sights. I accidentally dropped my P10c from a tall shelf on to a hard marble floor and the fall busted the Tritium vile in the front sight , no damage to the rear sight. Totally my fault. I called CZ to find out how much it would cost me for a factory replacement front sight and was honest about how the front sight got damaged and the CZ Rep sent me a front and rear set of replacement Tritium sights for free and CZ even paid for the shipping and I had the replacement sights in 3 days. And actually what the CZ rep did was sent me the front Tritium Suppressor height sight for the P-07 which also is compatible with the P 10 C because the P-07 sight is a stronger medal he said. Also I have shot my P 10C for 8 months now not sure of the round count but have had no issues other than the front sight which was my negligence. However I will keep an eye on the striker so thank you for sharing what happened to you. After watching your video I saw that there are aftermarket forged steel strikers available and will be investigating in 2 of those strikers for peace of mind. But I like my P 10C so much Im actually picking up a 2nd one this week, the Urban Grey Suppressor ready model
That's really heartening, and your experience is much closer to what I had expected. In much the same way that every gun can break, every company can have a bad day. And I'm with you all the way on affection for the P10C. Truly, I love these guns, which certainly didn't make me feel any better about my interaction with CZ. I seriously doubt this will be my last P10C, and it certainly be my last CZ. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience; it's very helpful.
I wouldn't trust that gun Anymore. You shouldn't have to call up a company over their product and they're giving you the run around and what makes it so bad, this video is Two year's before the pandemic. If they didn't have part's 4 year's ago imagine now, almost in the year 2023 what part's do they have in stock if any.
I really like mine but this video doesn't make me feel good at all....I have about 600 rounds through mine and no issues....I don't use this as a carry or home defense gun yet, and wont...I'll stick to my G19 or P320 X-Carry
Do you have a newer US-made P10C? If so, I'd wager the problem is sorted out. If nothing else, US production has almost certainly fixed the parts supply issue, which was really the problem that bothered me the most. I'm dumb, and can manage to break just about any gun, so I expect replacement firing pins to be readily available. Anyhow, I'm hoping this problem is behind us after production moved, and I think we can all shoot out P10Cs without reservations. It's still my favorite polymer pistol to shoot, by far!
@@RepentorPerish77Even so, worst case scenario is that the pin breaks, and they send you a new one, made here, that won't snap. It's still scary and far from optimal, but it makes the gun far more useful. Anyhow, that's just the opinion of some jackoff making videos on TH-cam, and probably isn't particularly valuable.
Yes, they do. That's not the issue here, as I say in the video. Instead, the bigger problem is how CZ handled the breakage. Though, to be fair, the Glock parts I've broken were at much higher round counts. Also, I appreciate your commitment to batshit insane punctuation.
It's always a possibility. And if it is, they'll have to send me another one until they sort it out. My hope is that they already know about the problem and have fixed the metallurgy behind the scenes. It sucks that handgun development ends up being a public, group endeavor, but it usually is. Better that than no progress, I suppose, but it sure is lousy.
It's funny, I didn't realize how much this sounds like a PSA. I really hope folks start checking their firing pins. This scared me a little, you can probably tell in the video.
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@@thegunpenguin I think not sharing it should be a crime lolz. People need to know brother. You did a good thing that could be very useful info for others.
@ Haha! I really do appreciate it. This is exactly why I started testing guns hard like this. Shit starts to break at the worst moment, and I don't want that to happen to anybody.
I'm sorry to hear that. Though it'll make the CZ fans have a heart attack, I hear from a lot of people who have broken their strikers. I've broken Glock strikers too, but at 8k rounds, not 2.8k. Any striker-fired gun can break the striker -- it's a weak point, as most of them are MIM parts -- but the P10C seems to break them at a higher right than other brands. The MIM parts don't seem to have the best QC at the CZ factory.
This was my only gun and I only new it was broke because I have a laser dry fire kit my brother cane over with his 19X and the laser fired so I took my gun apart send it snapped off so I now we’ll get rid of it and pick me up a Glock this is BS CZ dead to me
I'm very sorry, especially considering it's your only firearm. In the interest of fairness, I have to note that Glocks break strikers too, just not nearly as often. For me, the broken striker wasn't the issue as much as how CZ handled it. At the end of the day, CZ is more of a budget brand, and you get budget brand quality control. There's a reason P10Cs were selling for $380-430 at one point last year. The P10C offers my favorite firing experience from a striker-fired gun, but it's just not sturdy enough. A damn shame, that is.
thegunpenguin just order anew striker last night going sell it when it comes in only $9 and I’m going to back to Glock I have dry fired a Glock 100k times never issue and thy CZ I dry fired it more than shot it but had it less than a month so,,, ya if I spend $450 on a gun it better work without any doubts CZ not winning me back
I own 2 p10c’s. I bought my first, sold my G19 and haven’t had any issue with the gun since. Bought a second p10c about 2 months ago that was/is a project pistol. Had the slide milled and an RMR installed before I ever shot it. First range trip to zero the dot and put some rounds through the new gun. I put 150-200 rounds through the gun no malfunctions. 2 days later after 2 dry fire sessions in between I happened to be changing the striker spring and some other parts and found the tip sheared off of the striker. The same thing you experienced. But again I had no malfunctions on the range. So the striker tip had to have sheared off during DRY FIRE. Anyone calling you a liar need only do a quick google search as these MIM parts have been known to break and that whole batches of parts come out brittle. CGW makes a pretty penny selling steel firing pins and I’m not sure why cz hasn’t fixed the issue yet. Maybe the new American made P10s will be better but until then spend the $60 and buy a steel part. I have had zero other issues with either of my p10c’s. I compete with a p10c, and I still trust my life with it. I’m financially invested in my 2 CZs so I chose to fix the problem and move forward. But I completely understand just selling them and buying something else, and I don’t think I will ever buy another CZ because this. They know they have a problem yet they don’t fix it and give their customers a hard time when the parts they know can fail in fact do.
I've been somewhat amazed, and amused, by the reactions folks have had to my striker breaking. I made a follow-up video, and was again told that I must've fabricated the whole thing. Anyhow, I'm sorry you've had to deal with the same issue, and though I ought to just pony up for the CGW striker, I haven't been able to force myself to buy one, purely out of principle.
CZ includes a snap cap with their P10 series for dry firing. Additionally, Cajun Gun Works sells a hardened tool steel firing pin to address this failure.
That sucks dude. Keep us updated on this situation.
It's not good. A catastrophic failure like that casts doubt on a lot of things. I'll keep you updated. Hopefully the new assembly will arrive in the next few days.
Nice video ! Just to share some info. I am from Brazil 🇧🇷 and had the exactly same problem with my CZP10F. The tip of the firepin just broke off with about 5k dry fire training. Found your video searching infos about this problem. It’s sad that CZ haven’t fixed that issue since then because your video is already from 3 years ago and my CZP10F is just new (bought in 2021). At last it worths to mention that i am a police officer and that’s my duty gun, imagine what could have happened.
They still haven’t fixed it?
The same happened to my CZ P10 C. I was on the range and - click. I ordered new firing pin. The CZ do not deliver Switzerland and only way to get was to order to my post in Germany . Very disappointed.
I appreciate vids like this. Very informative on what I should do and expect
Thanks!
WOW! When I saw this pop up in my notifications, my heart dropped because I know you're an extremely honest person. Thank you so much for sharing this. This deeply disturbs me. I've had this gun on my nightstand for the past month, and even though I only put around 1,700 rounds through mine, I just assumed it was on the same level as Glock status reliability, which was just a lazy mistake because you never know. I hate to say it because it's said so much but there's always that "What If". I'm going to have to take a real hard look at this pistol and start putting a lot more rounds through it. Knowing the quality of CZ I just never would have thought...and that's a shame with the customer support. I was wondering why you had the P10 just sitting there in the Glock 45 range day vid. Thanks again for sharing and I'm sorry this happened man. This is a big WTF moment
And the reason I say Glock reliability status is because I've put thousands upon thousands of rounds through my gen 4 19 and never had anything break.
I thought of you when I made this video. I was hoping you'd see it. This whole thing made me feel sick, for a lot of reasons. I encouraged a few people to buy these, because mine had stood up to some serious abuse, but knowing this, perhaps it hadn't. I never would've thought to check for fractures on the pin. Also, I had gotten to where I trusted this gun implicitly, and it's easy to forget that the design is just over a year old; it had started to feel like an HK or my Beretta to me. I still think that this gun is very, very reliable...if you have a pin that will last. I consider myself to have above average knowledge of the inner working of guns from tinkering over the years, and I can't think of a good way to check for that. That's a big problem. You'll always wonder. I think if your gun passes 4000 rounds or so, you're in the clear, but I had assumed that I was past the point that something would break after 2800 or whatever it is. And the customer service, man, that really irked me. They couldn't understand why I thought this was such a big deal. It's probably irritating that I always mention Ruger, but folks like you and I shoot so much that we break our guns, and it feels good to know that I'll always have help from the manufacturer. Whenever I buy a new revolver, I always end up with a Ruger for that reason. Other guns feel great, but Ruger understands that they make guns, and guns are big pieces of metal that have a really hard life, and will likely be abused by dumbdumbs like me. But anyway, hopefully CZ will realize this is a serious, serious problem and fix it -- if they do, they'll have probably the best striker-fired gun on the market. But it's got to work long term. Oh, and while we're talking, a note about Berettas: when yours come in, sometimes they are fit so tightly, especially the Italian ones, that they will have failures for the first 100 rounds or so. That works itself out, and is just part of buying a handmade gun. Just thought I should share. Not all of them do it, but there's a 25% chance.
And hey, you're right about Glocks. My G22 shot over 20k rounds without a failure, and I sure as shit don't expect to see any from my G45. Your 19 will outlive us both.
I should also add that it was really hard to sit on this video for 4 days, but I had to wait and see what CZ would do. I never put out a negative video until the manufacturer has a chance to make it right. I firmly believe in trying to be as objective as possible, and I need that second opinion from the creator of the product when things go bad. Sometimes, there is a happy ending, other times, there's really not.
That's exactly why I got a gut punch when I saw this video in my notifications. You're not one to rush a video out because your gun failed to stir shit up and create controversy. You genuinely wanted to get to the bottom of it and see what CZ would say and do. I trust your opinion to the fullest because you're a genuine person who wouldn't lie or create controversy just to get views. By the way, do you know when your gun was made or if it's a pre 2018 gun? Either way, I really hope CZ fixes this problem. I've been putting hella rounds through mine since this video, Oh and about the Beretta's, did my research on them and I am positive they're going to be one of my favorite handguns. All the reading I've done about these guns, and from what I've learned from you, the reliability and craftsmanship is second to none, and I can't tell you how excited I am to finally shoot my first Beretta at the range. Just as good as Glock, HK, and CZ, if not better. Every gun has a break in period and I fully understand. I first wanted to buy a Beretta when I saw Paul Harrell shoot his in numerous videos, planting the seed, and then you watered that seed, making it grow inside of me....that sounded weird, but HEY! You made me finally buy one. So, thank you for all the great content and info, I'm looking forward to more, And that really got my blood boiling when that guy told you to wait until the new strikers came in and then buy it....wtf
Wow! And I was just about to trade in a Sig P320 for a P 10c to go along with my CZ75BD. Going to further research any problem areas about the pistol before I make any such move or I might just go with getting an SP01 Tactical. Thanks for the important heads up.
By the way, I’ve dubbed your intro music “Sunrise Over the Landfill”. It was a toss up between that or “Unarmed Drummer”.
Keep the great videos coming!
Happy to share it, sorry it's bad news. I can say that my SP-01 Tactical has never broken a firing pin, or anything, for that matter. Also, I very much like your titles for my awful song, and this reminds me, I need to make some buffer music and an outro bit. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the heads up GP! This is very troubling. Can you give us an a rough round count when you experienced this failure? My guess is that the firing pin was not heat treated properly, or the carbon steel formulation was out of spec! This is a stark reminder that these pistols are machines and machines do break! This reminds me of the problem my department had with the Glock 19 In the late nineties we (The NYPD)switched from Winchester White Box(Yea I Know It's Crappy Ammo) 115gr FMJ to Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P HP. The Winchester WB as you know is loaded with brass case's the Speer Gold Dot is nickel plated.We started to experience a large number of broken, chipped extractors with the Glock m19. At our request Glock looked into the issue and eventually changed their heat treating process, which rectified the problem. I still prefer to use brass case ammo in my firearms!
Great to hear from you! I was hoping you'd chime in. The gun had around 2800 rounds through it when the failure occurred, and I suspect heat treating because I was routinely shooting the gun until it was too hot to touch, letting it cool, and doing it again. But, the gun should've been able to handle this. My Berettas can do it, and so can my Glock. And my HKs. Everything breaks, but they certainly could've handled it better. As always, thanks for taking the time to comment and share your experience, it's very helpful.
I can't remember where I heard or read it but someone said that they talked to CZ about an issue with the P10c@@thegunpenguin and they were told not not dry fire the pistol w/o a snap cap! Im just curious how many of these firing pin issues have occurred?
@@TheGV50 That's VERY interesting! I'm leery of any design that can't stand up to dry firing. They should've known when they designed the gun, Americans are going to universally dry fire these guns, often without snap caps. As for the frequency, I looked around online, and it doesn't seem common, but if something is going to break, that seems to be one of the common parts, if that makes sense.
Wow! Thanks for posting this. I've been on the fence about buying this gun for a while, but I keep hearing about failures. What a shitty experience with customer service.
Thanks for watching, and I hope this is helpful to folks. If you get one with a sound firing pin, they run flawlessly, but this is a serious problem. But my customer service experience bothered me far more than the actual failure itself.
Great video, but more than that, thank you for your due diligence.
Thanks for the kind words, and though this whole situation utterly sucks, I hope it can help other people make informed purchases.
This same thing happened to me 2 days ago on a Friday. I attempted to submit a warranty claim with them so I could send it back. I tried twice on my phone and a few times on the computer and there was an issue with their website. I called customer service and explained what had happened. The gentleman I talked to told me to fill out the form online. I told him I attempted to and was unsuccessful. He seemed not to care either way and told me to try again tomorrow and if it’s still down to call. This is my only handgun so I will be out of a carry gun until the issue is resolved. The plan is to send it back and have them fix it and when I get it back to replace the striker with a Cajun gun works tool steel striker.
I also have been having an issue with the auto forwarding slide feeding ammo when using it with a fully loaded magazine.
I'm sorry that happened, and I'm doubly sorry that you don't have something to carry. As much as I love this gun, I find it hard to recommend as a defensive option. You're far from the only person who's had these issues. Let us all know how it goes.
We need more guys like you in the industry thank you for the truth man. O just bought one date it was made June 14th 2018
Thank you for the very, very generous compliment, and I appreciate you watching my terrible video. I hope you enjoy your P10C, and I have faith that they've sorted out the parts supply issues at this point.
Sorry to hear that about your P10c. Please give us an update for when it is returned.
Hi Vincent, thanks for watching! The P10C is back up and running, and I've been testing the new striker assembly to see if I can repeat the failure before I make an update video. So far, the gun is back to feeling like its usual exceptionally great self! With any luck, it'll stay that way. As I noted in the video, I had them send me a striker assembly, after they had much difficulty locating one, rather than sending them the whole gun. Fingers crossed that the new one holds up! I hope you're enjoying the holiday, and again, I appreciate you watching my video.
Just an observation that I haven't seen anyone on youtube address yet. The newest Glocks have had internal components redesigned and I'm talking about springs. All but the magazine release spring now uses a "simple" coil spring, specifically in a compression format. Using the springs this way should make them less prone to breakage or at least extend the life. Where so many of Glock's competitors push to have better ergonomics or whatever, Glock appears to be simply making theirs just more durable. Would make for an interesting video though.
I've detail stripped a few of the gen 5s, and I've also noticed that the internals are better fit than they have been on prior generations. I don't know if it's simply due to more precise manufacturing or what, but it's noticeable. So far, I can help but be impressed. The 43X will be getting a hard workout tomorrow. Great catch on the springs -- I didn't even notice. What I enjoy immensely about your comments: you've got a great eye for detail, and I both agree and disagree with you. I'd argue that Glock has focused on ergonomics. Though the finger grooves, or lack thereof, are much hullaballoo about nothing, I've found the G45, the gen. 5 MOS guns, and the 43X and 48 to be much more comfortable than past models. I also can't agree that other manufacturers shouldn't have focused on ergonomics. Let's have it all! I want my cake, I want to eat it, and then I want to buy more awesome cake! It doesn't have to be one or the other. Along with the rest of the shooting community, I often forget how crazy Glocks seemed when they were released, and how many problems they've had along the way. These other designs will be refined as they spend more time out in the wild, and I'm happy to along for the ride. But, that said, I totally agree with you that Glock has done an amazing job of somehow baking more and more durability into the design. And I doubt they'll stop here; at least, I certainly hope they won't. I'm really enjoying this new Glock renaissance. The G45 is a treasure, and the 43X is one of the most comfortable guns I've ever fired. 5 years from now, I doubt we'll think of Glocks as being uncomfortable. Instead, we'll just see the improvements. As always, I appreciate your thoughts, and thanks for the interesting conversation! (This was hastily types and likely contains piles of grammatical errors and incomplete thoughts. Sorry.)
@@thegunpenguin The Glock gen 5 turned out shit.
CZ is a Czech republic brand
CZ USA doesn't give a fuck they get paid anyway.
Dealing with actual CZ you'd have a different outcome.
I have 2 with more rounds and zero issues. Also I have my gunsmith mill me out new components on everything I own. 99% I've never used but I have.
great video. for reasons i don't totally understand, striker guns seem to shear firing pins much more frequently than hammer guns. it's another reason I go with the hammers (as I sense you do as well).
I've noticed this as well. This is speculation, but I think they might break because of the forces exerted on them when they flop around in there. There's far more wiggle room than there should be in the striker channel on a lot of these guns, and I suspect it stresses the pin, in some cases. What do you think? And you're right, with the exception of my trusty Glock and PPQ, I prefer hammer-fired guns. I've yet to have a parts breakage on a quality DA/SA pistol.
I was torn between the czp10c and walther ppq m1. I have my choice now. Thanks!
Happy to help! My PPQ has never had so much as a minor hiccup -- it's truly an amazing gun.
Just happened to me today with my p10s.. I still live cz but i wonder how long I've been carrying it like that for...
I wanted one but the shake down takes years to prove itself reliable and I already have a reliable one.
Great video brother.
Thanks for the kind words, and for watching. It's a great gun, but they've got to sort this out ASAP. And like you said, there are so many that work every time.
@@thegunpenguin the guy in the background is having a good old time with the 1911 and your looking for cover to fix it lolz. Oh sh!t say it ain't so. Lolz
@ No kidding! My 1911 doesn't much like dirt, or sand, or mud, or rain, but the firing pin sure as shit never broke.
GP I just checked Cajun Gun Works website and saw they have a Forged Striker replacement for the CZ P10c. The description states that the factory MIM(Cast) part has a tendency to break off at the tip! I'll be installing this part on my P10c no doubt!
Wow! This is why I hold your opinion and experience in such high esteem. That's an outstanding find! That makes it even more inexcusable that the situation was handled in the way that it was by CZ support. If this is a known problem, there needs to be a forged striker in every P10C leaving the factory.
Once this gets settled, I'll mention this solution in a video, and give you full credit.
@@thegunpenguinI'm looking forward to watching your follow up video my friend! And many thanks for all your kind words keep up the good work!
@@TheGV50 Will do! The new striker arrived today, and dropped in just fine, business as usual. I'm going to order a forged one also, as I don't have any faith in the gun after what happened. It's gone from being a serious defensive option to a toy, in my mind.
TheGV50 thanks so much for that info! The first thing that came to mind when I saw this video was whether or not CGW made a firing pin assembly.
I am a huge fan of CZ and CGW (P10C is my defensive pistol and I have a Cajunized P01 and 97).
I am placing an order with CGW tonight.
What year was your P10c made? I got off the phone with Thomas from CGW because nobody at CZ answered. Thomas said that some of the early production runs had striker issues but the new ones (2018 production year) are GTG. They sell a tool steel striker and they back it up with a life time warranty.
Hi Noah, mine was made in June of 2018. As some folks here in the comments have noted, the CGW striker is the way to go.
Let me ask you this how much did you dry fire the pistol compared to the Glock? Because I dry fire the hell out of the pistol because it has such nice break and reset that it’s like clicking a pen.
Bought my second p10c in March 2023 great deal on OR suppressor height night sights version sub $359. Put in around 300 rounds. Dry firing maybe once a week about 30-50 cycles. Went to the range June 18 2023 would not fire. Broken striker. I’m glad this happened before I put in a round count that I consider CC ready.
I really appreciate your honesty about this and I really appreciate the fact you apologized for recommending the gun. I personally don’t own one and now I probably won’t but that’s ok by me. I will just go buy the 75 👍🏻! Again keep these great videos coming buddy
As always, thanks for watching, and for the kind words. I felt really guilty for all the praise that I had heaped on this thing, and I had figured after it fired like 2000 rounds without a hitch that this things was pretty sound. But, some good news: apparently, CZ has moved production to the US, and I'd bet that all of these problems will be sorted out shortly, if they haven't been already. If you were going to pick up a 75, which one would it be? I've got the SP-01, but I'm eying a Shadow II, specifically the one with the blue grips.
thegunpenguin your welcome! And yes the 75 is a great gun from all I have heard. I am picking up the 75 D PCR. I have heard all good things about this gun and this will be my first CZ and I am looking forward to it. I was also looking at the phantom 2 but I’m looking for a new carry gun so I am going to go for the PCR myself. If u get the phantom do a review of it. Do u have a review of the P01
The PCR is one of the coolest compact guns ever. Awesome choice! I have a review of the SP-01, but not the P-01. At this point, I'll probably end up with a Shadow II before anything else. I spent some time with one recently, and it made me lust after one something fierce.
thegunpenguin niiiiiiiiice. That’s hilarious just take it to dinner first !!! Lol
And by the way, I had a great experience with Ruger as well. You can tell they really want your business.
You really can! They have always bent over backwards to help me with anything I've ever needed. In my mind, they are the model for firearms customer service. I'm very glad you had a similar experience!
4 years later how do you feel about the pistol now?
This happened to my s&w sd40ve after 280 rounds. They made me send it in. Wouldn't even "sell" me a part. 7 weeks at s&w. It's fixed now and 400 more rounds through it. But I'm really having a hard time trusting it. Kinda like the hot girlfriend that cheated once.
Sorry to hear about this issue you had but I thought to mention a couple of points. First, it is always a good idea to have a small range kit with replacement parts just in case this sort of thing happens. Parts can break at any time so having replacements is just common sense. The P10 is a brand new design and as you mentioned it still needs to go through some sort of durability endurance test. The Glock pistols have been around for years and even then at the beginning it wasn't really clear how well they would hold up over time. Too many people get hung up on how all these new guns feel in the hand or if it has this feature or that, I prefer something that has proven itself as reliable. Saying that, I still keep a range kit for my Glock 19 which has a complete spring kit, pins and a striker. My P10 hasn't gone to the range often and was only intended to provide a comparison against Glock. Though some parts appear to be built pretty beefy (barrel, slide rails, etc.) I feel the fact of the usage of several pins in the lower receiver indicates a lot of weak points that maybe overlooked. The small odd shaped "automatic safety spring" is another interesting part that does not look too durable. We will just have to see.
As you mention, a few of the internal parts likely need to be re-worked in the long run. I'm sure that we'll see a 2nd generation P10C that will sort out a lot of these problems, but I'm most concerned with CZ USA's supply chain. I can break just about any gun if you leave me alone with it long enough, but I certainly expect a manufacturer to have replacement parts, especially major components that are most likely to fail, on hand. In general principle, I agree with you. If someone is able, it's best to have spare parts. In an alternate reality, in which I'm smart, and other people are smart too, we buy lots of replacement parts and keep them on hand. But in our reality, that's just not what happens, for a variety of reasons. In the case of the P10C, I couldn't have purchased a spare striker assembly even if I was smart enough to want to, which I'm certainly not. So, I'm torn here. On the one hand, you're absolutely right that it is most prudent to buy spare parts. On the other hand, the gun ought to run far more than 3k rounds before the firing pin snaps. Glocks break firing pins, but they don't break them often enough that standard users expect to replace them, in some cases, ever. The P10C, based on anecdotal internet evidence, seems to break pins far more often. So, again, I'm torn. The P10C's pin ought to last at least as long as a Glock's, given the implication of CZ's marketing comparing the two in a not-so-subtle way. I shoot my Glocks a lot, and hard, so I keep certain parts on hand that I know wear out, but I usually have a good idea of when those parts will wear out, and I wasn't thrilled with the surprise offered by the P10C. Again, Glocks break randomly as well, just less often. Also, I'm not so sure that it's unwise for folks to focus on how a gun feels. We buy guns to shoot them, and shooting is fun and cool. Guns that are cool and fun to shoot lead to more practice, and more gun purchases. Latching on to a new untested product, preferably a super cool badass one, leads to the development of more new and exciting guns. My beloved Glocks are arguably the pinnacle of present pistol design, but they are not the pinncale of all pistol design into perpetuity. The gun community has a bad habit of going with the safe option. Buying the newest thing and harassing the manufacturer to sort out the kinks moves firearms forward, and we're already to a place where you stand a good chance that a brand new design will at least sort of work, which is a huge improvement over the decades behind us. In 20 years, it might not be unreasonable to expect most new design to run as well a Glock 19, if we keep buying them and pushing manufacturers. Anyhow, I very much enjoyed your comment, and I appreciate you taking the time to share you experience and perspective. Great stuff!
Interesting, I had not considered the implications of purchasing new firearm designs to test and provide feed back to manufacturer's in regards to function and durability. Then again, I haven't really held onto them long enough or put enough rounds to wear them out to get personal experiences of such things. Like your content and I will subscribe to follow this CZ experience further. I will admit, I brought my newly purchased P10 and G19 to the range for the initial test fire and ended up putting most of the 200 rounds through the P10. Want a PPQ but they are hard to find near me. Will keep my eyes open for anything new from the major ones. Btw, have you had a chance to look at that new Beretta? Not sure it's need either but I am considering starting a 9mm (ammo consistency) Glock size striker-fired collection (gotta do something for a hobby).
@@jessebitgood3644I firmly believe that buying new and exciting guns is critical. Within reason, I mean. Some ideas just obviously suck, but if I see that Beretta or HK or Glock puts out something new, and I like it, I buy it and test it. My channel mostly focuses on endurance testing, usually to 3k rounds, though the P10C made me think that's not enough, though I don't know if I can afford to test much past that. Speaking of, I picked up a Glock 43X, and the testing has begun. But, that one isn't going to have a problem. I love my PPQ and P99, and I hope you can fine one; they are a pleasure to shoot! And sturdy. Despite being completely obsessed with all things Beretta, I haven't bought the APX yet, though I certainly will. If you get one, let me know how you like it. I've never had a Beretta that was anything other than indestructible, so hopefully the APX follows that tradition. What did you prefer about the P10C when you shot it? If you don't mind me prying. I'm honored that you would want to subscribe, and thanks for the interesting conversation. Much appreciated.
Though I was first reluctant to buy a P10 (gosh there are a lot of pins in this thing) the basic overall layout seemed to address a lot of the design issues regarding Glock ( fully ambidextrous, front serations, smoother trigger, and metal sights. Mine came with the night sights and all for just about $530 including tax). Though I have never had a problem shooting a Glock, and the finger grooves never bothered me, I do like the new Glock 19 gen5 MOS more then the old generations. The fact of the matter is I can't find anything on the P10 I feel the need to change. I always switch the connector on my Glocks to the "-" from the G34 and almost always get fiber optic sights for GSSF. I'll give a shout out if I get something that you end up making a video about.
I'm with you, the P10C just feels right, from day one. And for the money, they are a stupid good deal. Speaking of the 19 MOS, I'm resisting the urge to go buy one.
Happened to my friend's CZ, and one week later, mine broke-- thankfully during dry practice with a laser cartridge! Both of us upgraded to a Cajun Gun Works tool steel striker. Definitely a deal breaker for this pistol!
I assume they want to find out what batch your gun was made so they can see if there was an issue. I saw one person that his Cajun works striker break. CZ customer service has been great with me. I had an issue with the drop safety and they sent me an entire new striker assembly, that works! I do not know if there is a difference between Check made and USA made ones. I use the snap cap that came with it for dry fire. I know they have made changes to this pistol over the years. Mine are all made in 2022 and 2023. I guess always have a backup. (2) is (1) and (1) is none.
Do you think it could be from dry firing so much?
I joked about it in my original review, but I didn't dry fire the gun excessively, though I definitely dry fired it. No more than I would any other gun I have on my nightstand. However, I have no way to know how much it was dry fired at the shop before I took it home. It has been suggested by others that this firing pin isn't able to tolerate much dry firing, but I have no idea if that's true or not. I'm dry firing the new firing pin more that the old one in an attempt to break it. If dry firing did cause it, that's obviously a problem, and if it didn't, it's still a problem. Either way, I hope CZ resolves the problem, or at least resolves the problems with their supply chain. Things break. I'm not as worried about the actual breakage as I am the problems I encountered with CZ USA.
My firing pin broke this weekend. The tip broke off. Exactly 1k rounds, and a lot of dry-fire WITH snapcaps (so in total like 4-5k). Bought in 2021. Don't have any other handgun. My trust is broken. Thinking about buying something else...
Really sad to see they didn't fix it
What year was yours made in .I know you bought in 2021 but it cool been a 2018 .I bought one in December 2023 it was made in June 2021. I had to send in to cz because of the slide stop spring design issue only had about 34 rounds. Got it back so far so good but man I don't 100% trust it. Lots of issues with these. I have seen some built like tanks and some built like crap. Hit and miss
Well at least we got to see what you look like! Nice hair bro, unfortunate about the CZ how many rounds you got thru before this happened?
Haha! Thanks! Fluffy hair is very important. This was truly unfortunate, both my hair, and the CZ. It had about 2800 rounds through it. But, they were a hard 2800 rounds, with me shooting the gun until it was really hot. I really hope this is an isolated problem. Also, if you want to see more range footage, check out my Glock 45 and Ruger Redhawk range day. You can see me shoot both of those guns really badly. As always, I appreciate you taking the time to comment, and watch the videos, I just wish this one wasn't negative. It's never fun making a totally negative video.
@@thegunpenguin it's my pleasure brother, you got my support and I was a little dick hurt there wasn't any joking in this video.. but I got over it. I'll check out the G45 and Redhawk video, but I pray to God this was an isolated problem cuz the P-10c is the shit and I hope this doesn't happen to me.
@@Macedonia-is-Greek Thanks, that support means a lot. I don't have many subscribers, but I care A LOT about ya'll, and am very grateful for you guys, and I had to put this out in case somebody else had a fucked up pin. I never would've known this had happened if I hadn't gone to the range that day, and it scared me. I had to think really hard about putting jokes in this one. I really, really wanted to, but I didn't want to undercut the message. I'll make up for it with something lighthearted in the next week or so.
I had a CZ P07 that had a failure after 200 rounds. It was the firing pin retaining pin that broke. I was carrying a broken gun for about a week. Took it to the range only to find out the firing pin was stuck forward in the channel. The hammer couldn't make contact. I traded it for g19.5. Now I have 3 Glocks and none of them have issues. I dry fire them all the time. After doing research it seems like CZ has bad metallurgy. Glock has had problems as well, but their QC is better.
Thank you for the info, and I think your assessment is totally sound. Don't get me wrong, CZs are awesome, and I've broken a Glock also, but it seems that I chronically damage my CZs, using them less frequently. In my experience, Glocks, HKs, Berettas, and Walthers are nearly indestructible. Again, I appreciate you taking the time to watch and share your experiences! Very helpful!
@@thegunpenguin no problem man, I've watched your videos for awhile now.
@@colinsaint5726 You're awesome, and I'm grateful that you would want to watch my terrible videos! But seriously, thanks for the info -- those sorts of individual anecdotes really help me.
I have sent my firearm back and just got confirmation they received it. They say it will take 4 to 6 weeks for the repair. I am waiting with baited breath and hoping they get it done sooner.
I hope they expedite it!
@@thegunpenguin We will see. I hope so as well. Thankfully this is not my primary carry, so, I am not without. I will keep you informed.
@@americanverity3501 As much as I enjoy shooting the P10C, I hope it's not anyone's primary carry after the stories I hear.
Do you have any idea if this issue is also present with the P10 F 45 Auto variant?
Thanks for this Video. I just went to the range for the first time yesterday with my new CZP10C. Although very accurate, right out of the box I had issues with failure-to-fire. It was an intermittent problem. It would go "bang" a few times and then "click", eject, load another round and Bang. Fire a few more and then "click". And, I am not shooting sub-quality ammo. Really disappointed. I just fired off an e-mail to CZ. Let's see how they respond.
Hey Greg, sorry you're having trouble. If you don't mind, let me know what CZ tells you. Was there a dent in the primer? I'm not suspecting hard primers -- rather, an issue with the striker assembly. Thanks for letting me know, and gain, sorry you're having issues.
@@thegunpenguin Hey. I am letting you know where we are today. I did get a pretty timely response from CZ-USA, but, when I followed their link I met with some issues. I could not get a RA. Here is the response from them, and my reply. "I have followed this to the letter and am getting the following message. This form is for FIREARM WARRANTIES ONLY. For WARRANTY PARTS RETURN, please click here This should not be such a challenge to get done. Please contact me at 850-374-****. I have a firearm that does not perform and is dangerous with the failure to fire issues I am having. After researching the issue I am having I have found that there are others that are having the same issues and are having trouble getting this resolved. I would suggest you contact me immediately to avoid further action. Below is my issue.
I took my Firearm to the range for the first time and had several failure to fire issues. I would fire a few rounds and then, click, eject, and then fire again. After a few more rounds I had the same failure to fire. It seems to be that the striker is not consistently making contact with the primer. I have researched this and have found that this is a "common" problem with this firearm. I had hoped to make this my primary carry option, but, after the first time at the range, I am not sure. Please. Let's get this fixed and as soon as possible. This is a HUGE inconvenience. Appreciate your help.
Below is my original request. Dated December 29, 2019
I purchased a CZ P10C and took it to the range yesterday for the first time. The Serial Number is C7*****. I had several issues with failure to fire like the firing pin was not making consistent contact with the striker. This was an intermittent problem as it would shoot a few rounds and then "click" failure, eject, fire and then click again with another failure to fire. I had planned on making this my primary carry option. Now, not so. I am certainly disappointed to have a handgun that won't go bang when you need it to. I would appreciate a call back at 850-374-**** or a reply to my e-mail so we can get this sorted out. Yes, I also let others fire the handgun and it happened to them too. So, not user error. Please do get back with me asap as I have invested in your product and it is failing on my first trip to the Range. Respectfully, Gregory Chambers
We need to get this DONE. There are many others that are having issues with this as demonstrated on many videos. Either get this fixed, or refund me for the purchase of this firearm. If you refund, I am happy to return the firearm to you as it is just a paperweight at this time since it is unreliable. I expect a call at 850-374-**** on Monday January 6, 2020
Thank you.
The Gun Penguin, if you have any ideas please feel free to message me at facebook.com/americanverity or email at gregory@americanverity.com Look forward to hearing from you. Needless to say, I have gone back to the GLOCK 19 until this gets resolved (if it ever does). Is there another aftermarket striker assembly that will work? I would appreciate your help.
@@gregorychambers5847 I'm sorry that this still isn't resolved. This is probably a silly question, but have you tried calling them? I've only ever dealt with them by phone. You can get an aftermarket striker, a forged one, from CGW, but it's not the entire assembly. You'll have to break down the OEM one and transfer the spring and sleeve. It's fairly easy. But, I haven't tried the new striker myself. There's no guarantee that the problem is the actual striker. It could be any of the following: the striker spring, the sleeve, the connector, or the striker channel itself. I wouldn't be confident enough in the root cause to recommend a solution without having your gun in front of me. I hope that helps!
@@thegunpenguin Yes. That helps. I have called them (both Dan Weldon) and CZ-USA and I cannot get anybody on the phone. I am still working on it. Hopefully we can get it resolved. Or, they give me my money back and I buy another GLOCK!!
@@gregorychambers5847 I have no doubt that they will eventually resolve it, but you might be so put out with them by the end of the process that you have little interest in another CZ process. At this point, I've found that I can break just about any CZ product, including the Scorpion through relatively hard use. Hard use for a civilian, anyway. They're truly great guns, but they aren't as durable as some competing options.
I think the reason they asked for the serial number is to know when the gun was made and how it was exactly produced.
I live in Brazil and sorry for my English. I have a Glock G19 Gen5 and would like to buy a different weapon.
Actually the CZ P10 C OR, was on my shortlist. Could you indicate on pistol for concealed carry/defensive?
I've been seriously considering this gun . But I've been seeing a few problems with it like this , frame cracking etc. Do u think it's still reliable or should i pay the extra money and get a glock 19 instead?
I do think it's still reliable, mostly because CZ has almost certainly worked out the parts supply issue, which was my chief complain. I've broken a lot of guns, but I had never had a manufacturer tell me they didn't have a critical part in stock. Which way do you lean, G19 or P10C? I can say that I've heard from a lot of people who have broken Glock firing pins. But, those are easier to come by.
@@thegunpenguin I think I'm leaning towards the glock even though I really like the CZ . In my area the glock is only 50 bucks more so I feel it's the better bargain
I have had a striker tip break on one of my Glocks, I wasn't to worried for glock parts are easy to come by. It happens
I wasn't bothered by the striker breaking -- I habitually break guns. I was irked that they didn't the part. Personally, I find that inexcusable.
@@thegunpenguin CZ didn't warranty or replace the part for you?
The video explains everything. They didn't handle it well.
I had mine break as well in my first year. Now granted i would say it was from the extremely excessive dry firing with it. But it most be noted that they should have higher quality firing pin. I got an improved one and it is definitely better quality.
And now listening to the rest of your video, your experience with them is unacceptable. And hopefully cz america is better at fulfilling their customers need. Im very glad that i discovered the broken firing pin outside of a defensive situation. Its been my carry gun since it came out...
I'm sorry you had to deal with the same problem, and I'm also glad you didn't find out it was broken in the midst of a defensive shooting!
@@thegunpenguin now with that said, i still carry it everyday with complete confidence it will be there for me in that time of need. Its just a great gun...
Where and what kind did you buy your new pin? Thank you!
sucks i heard about so many problems with this gun now that ive read about it :(
I'm extremely disappointed. It had such a good start, and man, it really shit the bed.
thegunpenguin hopefully the new models will iron out the kinks
@@monkeybrains911 I hope so. At least it might fix their parts supply situation, since they'll be making many parts here.
Does the serial number of your firearm start with a B or C?
Would you trust one of the USA optics ready models or did the whole situation turn you away from the P10C all together? I’m still torn between a P10C and Glock 19. I like the simplicity and less moving parts in a Glock but the ergonomics of the P10C
Honestly, no, I wouldn't trust it. That said, the optics-ready models are super fun to shoot! For a serious defensive pistol, the gen. 5 19 MOS is the way to go, for sure. A PPQ or VP9 cut for optics would be great too, but the Glock is a bit easier to conceal. I haven't made a video about this because I don't want to put anymore hearsay out into the world, but I've heard from an alarming number of folks who have had trouble with their P10Cs. Far too many. Versus a few for every other model. Manufacturers inevitably make lemons, but there are some weak points in the P10C design that hold it back. And if I'm brutally honest, it's a budget gun, at least relative to Glock/HK/Walther/et. al. There's a reason that they regularly turned up for $380 prior to the pandemic. I'm not trying to diminish the P10C -- prior to the problems I had, it was my favorite striker-fired gun -- but if you're buying a gun to trust with your life, it'd be morally questionable for me to tell you the CZ is good enough. Or any CZ, if other options are on the table. I've broken several other models.
Thanks for the insight brother. Looking forward to more content
@@Sam1628 If I can ever help, let me know.
5-3-23, is there an update to this experience with CZ ?. Im watching this because I'm considering a P-10 C. What an outrage! No parts!, No expected time when available.!! Your talking with CZ US, they produce pistols here in Kansas City, KS!! and no parts!!
WTF indeed. Have other firing pins failed?
Good video 👍 thank you.
CD in New Hampshire.
(No SIG's for me )
Don’t buy one mine is getting repaired after 500 rounds
Crazy bro. Sorry to hear this. Thank-you for sharing man. I know shit happens but.... 3500 rounds.....
Please do a follow up.
Thanks for watching, and I totally agree, the low round count makes it doubly unacceptable. I've got the new striker assembly installed, and I'll put the gun through some rough firing sessions, and we'll see how it holds up. I appreciate you taking the time to comment, and I hope your striker is holding up well.
@@thegunpenguin Actually the CZ was on my shortlist. Paying a visit to my local shop very soon, but won't be picking up the CZ I'm afraid. I'm hoping that what you experienced was a bad batch of parts... I'm going to pass on it for now . Most likely a Walther is what I'll be leaving with - P99 AS. Put the new striker through its paces, let'r rip!! The point you made about how often you're at the range was a good one. A person that goes once a month for an hour or so would've passed the warranty period for sure! Still, I don't like the fact that you had to mention, that the failure was on video to garner a response. Anyhow, I've taken enough of your trigger time. Get back at it!!
Cheers!!
@@gldrifter3161 I wish it was just a bad batch of parts, but I'm seeing reports of this scattered across the internet. Not that you need unsolicited advice some weirdo on TH-cam, but I would highly recommend the P99 AS. That gun is amazing and gets none of the respect it deserves. By the way, thanks for reminding me that I had to mention the video to get this handled -- I keep forgetting that. Somehow, that feels most unacceptable, right? Damn, I just want to shoot my P99 now!
Same thing happened to my p-10, but I had a much different experience with CZ customer service. Spent about 5 mins on the phone and CZ next day air shipped my pistol both ways. They wanted me to ship the whole gun though because they didn't have any spare parts available and were going to pull parts off their assembly line (that's the story I got), they replaced the whole striker assembly and back plate. Gun was out of my possession for less than a week. Most of the metal parts in the p-10 are metal injection parts and it seems like the striker tip just isn't strong enough. I bought a tool steel striker from Cajun and keep the factory striker as a spare now.
I'm really glad that your experience was very different and that your gun is running once more! Thanks for sharing your interaction with CZ, and it makes me a bit more hopeful. I agree with you about the striker tip--I'm no expert in metallurgy, but I also felt that the tip seemed thin for a MIM part. It seems that a lot of commenters are going with the CGW strikers, and maybe that will encourage CZ to either improve the quality, and hopefully, geometry of their MIM striker, or move to a forged one.
What parts are MIM? I emailed CZ requesting a list of MIM parts but they did not reply. Why in the world would they make a firing pin MIM? Majorly Stupid. After this video I will definitely sell this thing.
I wish I would've seen this video before I bout my CZ P10C. My first day at the range and just 10 rounds in and my pistol started jamming, double feeding, and refusing to fire. Seems to be a problem with the extractor on a brand new pistol. I own another one that has never given me any trouble. But for some reason this optic ready version is not reliable at all.
My non OR version has been ok too. New OR version striker broke within 3 months.
Parts break regardless how well they are built. Had to send my CZ P10c back the same day I bought it, it would feed anything. They fixed it and had no issues with it. What I don't like about the CZ P-10c ? Design of the firing pin block, it's an accident waiting to happen. This is CZ attempt on a striker and like the first one, It's a failure! CZ been dropping the price on the CZ P-10c which you find it for $350 or less. Due to my concern with the design of the firing pin block, won't be part of my EDC rotation.
Still want one.
You raise a good point, that this is just one gun. Thousands of others haven't had this problem. It's still an awesome, reliable gun, if your firing pin is intact. The BDSM horse sends its apologies for the great paucity of equine pleasure in this video.
thegunpenguin I'm sure BDSM horse understands that sometimes things are serious bidness.
Yeah, the horse knows. That's a horse that knows business from pleasure.
thegunpenguin Hey bro, I got one!
@@suwatt6019 FUCK YESSSS!!! Have you gotten to shoot it yet? Congratulations on the new CZ! Crippling parts breakage aside, this is till my favorite striker-fired gun by a long shot.
Many guns tell you not to dry fire a gun due to striker breaking. They advise you to use a snap cap. Glock is one that seems to never break from dry firing. I have several Cz. Was sorry to hear they didn't take care of you. I use snap caps when i dry fire but. I will be getting the upgraded striker now. Thanks for the video
Where did that piece go? Is it floating around the gun? Jammed? So c.z customer service is poop?
Just had this happen to mine. Less than 3,000 rounds. It’s a shame because it’s such an awesome shooting gun and was also my carry gun for a long time.
10,000rds thru my Czech made, ambi mag release P10C. Eats any ammo I feed it. Runs dry, runs dirty. Not a single issue at all.
That's great! I'm glad!
2,600 rounds thru my late gen model no problems ever, but just in case i always check that my firing pin is protruding out of the striker wall or whatever its called every time i tear it down and i also dont dry fire it often and try to limit that its a shame it happens to these but i really enjoy it and still think its one of the best striker fired pistol ive shot and my dad is a glock fan boy so ive shot plenty of what glock has to offer, and nothing tops the cz
@@Everlongsafehaven I love the gun too, and that makes the problems all the more unfortunate. I might not trust it, but I certainly love it. Keep us all updated on how yours is doing!
Has anyone actually tested the aftermarket strikers to see which ones are stronger than the other or the oem?
Actually measure how many pounds of pressure on the firing pin tip before it breaks off.
I know it will cost a few hundreds of dollars to test and break the part, but won't that give everyone the answer we're looking for?
I would be willing to donate money as I'm sure others will too, if someone has the equipment for testing.
Thanks All
Hmmm... I was just thinking of buying one. GrabAGun has them for $399. Now I'm thinking of going with a Walther PPQ, as I already have several Glocks.
Thanks for the video. I thought CZ's quality was very good and their customer service was similar. Giving you a runaround is unacceptable.
I've been downright mean to my PPQ, and it has performed really well. I don't find it as enjoyable to shoot as the P10C, but it always works, and the trigger is magical. My past experience with CZ was more in line with their reputation. My SP-01 is a tank, and has never required me to call customer service. Their handling of the situation, maybe more than the actual breakage kind of shocked me. Stuff breaks, but I care how a company chooses to handle it. For $399, though, you almost can't go wrong; that's a crazy price! Thanks for the kind words, and if you don't mind, let me know which one you decide on.
My tip just broke off this morning. So disappointing, especially since I bought it last month and i have less than 200 rounds fired through it.
I'm very sorry to hear that. Have you spoken with CZ yet? If you don't mind, please let me know how they respond.
Yes, I have, called first thing this morning. The first guy I spoke with in customer service was very helpful. He then transferred me to the parts department and I spoke with a guy who was not as friendly and non sympathetic to my situation. Said they had a replacement striker assembly in stock and it would ship soon. I asked how soon because I am in law enforcement and was planing on qualifying with it next Thursday. He kept repeating, "some time next week, some time next week". I will order an aftermarket from Cajun Gun works as soon as they are in stock. Suarez International had some in stock, but I heard some negative reviews about them.
Man, I'm really sorry that you had such a similar experience. How long were you on the phone with them? I ask because I view your situation as very cut-and-dry. The striker broke. Send the customer a new striker immediately, as in, within the next couple of hours. Call me old-fashioned, but they should've bent over backwards to get you that striker -- that's what Ruger would've done.
americanmisfit75 CGW makes it perfect! I think the popularity caught on so fast to keep up the QC went out the window.
@@thegunpenguin Doesn't look like CZ has done anything to resolve the problem.......
What year model was yours made mine is a 2021
Just out of curiosity could the striker been weakened due to long, often sessions of dry firing? It doesnt excuse the customer service but as a p10c owner i cant help but be curious as to why it broke and if theres any way to prevent mine.
That's a really good question, and something that I'll definitely address in the follow-up video. I dry fired it some, but probably less than most people. However, now that I have the new striker in, I'm fearful to dry fire the gun at all, after looking really hard at the part. The firing pin tip is just too thin for a MIM part that is under a lot of stress, and dry firing the gun is going to put far more stress on that tiny piece. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that MIM parts are inherently inferior, I just don't think that these are well-made enough to do the job they are being asked to do. The Glock firing pin is also a MIM part, but the tip is so much thicker, it's going to survive a lot longer. Anyhow, I hope this helps, and if I can provide any additional information, I'm happy to.
@@thegunpenguin i appreciate the fast reply and your response. Do you have any plans to try out the CGW striker ive seen people mention in the comments? Do you think it would add durability and keep the reliability?
@@atlas9.0 I'm happy to help. I do plan to try the CGW striker. Right now, I'm using the P10 C as a range toy, abusing it and the new striker to try and repeat the problem. If the new MIM striker breaks like the old one, I'll order the CGW. I just have to know if all of the MIM strikers eventually break this way, or if mine was a relatively isolated problem. Also, I do think the CGW striker will enhance durability, but that's speculation. Forged parts break too, just not as readily. But, I really trust CGW, and I don't think they would be hawking that part if it didn't do the trick. I'll keep testing the OEM striker, and I'll let you all know what happens; the plan is to dry fire this one more frequently to see if that does indeed play a role.
@@atlas9.0 I just had another thought that we both need to consider. I purchased my P10 C new from a gun shop, and it might've been dry fired thousands of times when I got it, by prospective buyers handling it. If you bought yours new and untouched, you might get more dry fire life out of the striker.
@@thegunpenguin i hadnt thought of that myself but youre so right. As for mine it was also bought new from my LGS but he uses zip ties as a chamber flag basically to keep the gun out of battery so i dont think he allows dry firing, ive never asked, but i know its common practice for people to want to try a trigger before purchasing. That definitely could be part of it. I look forward to your follow up video and im gonna consider the CGW striker if for nothing more than a backup. Thanks for reporting this. Have a good day and i hope all goes well!
Poor poor lil cz, I keep a hi point cf380 and the hi point 3895ts carbine right by my bed, I know ppl don't like hi points but mine work just a few double feeds in the cf, but these issues were fixed and they run great (for me). To think I was gonna get a cz but a few videos keep having issues with it until they replace all the internals (I'll pass) now the Glock 45? Hmmmm I'm looking at that one.
I replaced all my p10c strikers with cajun gun works tool steel striker.
dammit , I was going to pick one up tomorrow.. dammit......thank you for the video sir ..guess I am gonna wait or look at something eles .. cz you gotta take care of your customers .. you had a good thing going,, do not screw it up
Hopefully, my customer service experience was abnormal. That was my only time ever dealing with CZ, and another commenter, who also had his firing pin break, had a completely different experience with them. Though I couldn't in good conscience keep my experience to myself, I have to note that you might buy one and have it run flawlessly for years. Also, there are few pistols as comfortable. Anyhow, just figured I'd weigh in, and I'm very grateful that you took time to watch and comment. Thanks!
handled one at gun store today and had to get it after all.. hopefully I will have no issues and if I do I hope I will have a better experience than you did .. again thanks for the video
@@spankyboy123 I'm glad you decided to get one, and I hope your experience is different. If you don't mind, please let me know if you have any issues. I'm working on a follow-up video to this one, and I want to be as objective as possible.
absolutely sir, will do
Hope 2018 models were corrected. Thumbs up for good video. Like#74
Thank you, my friend, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Mine is a mid-2018 model, but I'm betting that all of the problems were sorted out when production was moved to the USA. It wouldn't surprise me if the ability to quickly solve production problems was a small factor in the move. I really appreciate you watching, and for the kind words. This is my favorite polymer pistol ever, and that made the situation all the more disappointing.
@@thegunpenguin just pick up one made in the USA and hope no issues. Im a newbie. Toss up with the new m&p and p10c. Hope no regrets lol🤞🤞🤞wish I had seen this first
@@stateofmind4341If it's a new one, I think you'll be fine. I will be very, very surprised if you have any problems, to the point that I'll likely end up with a second US-produced model myself. Also, the M&Ps have their own issues, and between the two, you absolutely made the right choice. I know I can be brutal when I'm reviewing stuff, and I frequently piss off the 5 people who watch my terrible videos, but it's only because I love the P10C, and I want to see it perfected. This design is already my favorite polymer pistol, but with some further development, it could become the finest striker-fired gun ever produced. Anyhow, enough of my yakking. Not that the opinion of some random internet jackoff is worth much, but if I were you, I would shoot the hell out of my new P10C without worry.
@@thegunpenguin I read that some of the problems was in manufacturing. Older defective parts were being put back in the parts bin and installed in the new production models. Just because you get a newer model does not mean you won't get that old defective part. Even they don't know. Or do they? I have called CZ. They will say that they don't know of that issue and it is documented all over the internet. What is the serial number sir? The P-10 C is like the Yugo car from the 1970's.
Thanks for the video.
Time to trade my P-10C/Yugo for something else.
I think I wouldve panicked an first thought would've came to mind is maybe the firing pin broke
So how is it now??? Curious if you've had shot it since.
Hey Jesse, it seems to be doing ok now. It's raining so hard that I couldn't film at the range today, so I'll shoot an update video. I don't mind a little water, but the camera wasn't going to survive it. I appreciate you watching!
@@thegunpenguin thanks. Literally got one yesterday lol
@@jessefolk1072 I don't know if this will help, but here's some info that I've received from other P10C owners: dry firing seems to hasten the breakage, you can get a forged replacement from CGW, and this doesn't seem to happen to everyone. I hope this helps, and congratulations on your new CZ! In my review, I said that this is my favorite striker-fired pistol, and even after this breakage, it's still the most fun to shoot. I don't trust it anymore, but it's still a pleasure to use.
@@thegunpenguin I'm not a big dry fire guy so that might help lol and yeah super comfortable. Looked at the p07 but not as mch to grab to manipulate the slide I think. I'll look at the cgw heard some good stuff on them
@@jessefolk1072 With any luck, you'll never have so much as a hint of a problem. Other than the firing pin, the inside of my gun is very sturdy, and after 3000 rounds, there's no strange wear anywhere. I hope you enjoy your P10C, and if you do have any problems, please let me know, and I'll add the info to future update videos.
I put a Cajun gun works striker in my p10c before I even shot it? I thought this was common knowledge
Though I'm certainly glad that you swapped your striker, and the problem seems to be fairly well-documented, most folks buying this gun are not going to immediately pay $50 for a new striker after buying the gun. More than that, the fact that you felt the need to immediately change out your striker indicates a serious problem with this gun's striker. The CGW striker is a great bandaid solution, but it's not a real solution to this problem. We wouldn't accept that with any other design from any other manufacturer.
Execution in manufacturing is everything. Difference between decent gun (knife, light, ammo, etc.) companies and the good ones. Ergos, cool features, materials used...still wait 3-5 years for a model to be out regardless of brand name. Wish it wasn't necessary, but it is.
Interesting, I posted the following on another channel 6 days ago.
"Bought the P10C a couple of weeks ago, not impressed with their customer service which should tell you a lot about what's next. First, gun shoots well excellent trigger. Cleaned the gun and headed to the range to put the first couple hundred shots through it. Was putting it back in my range bag for another outing a couple of days ago and noticed the guide rod was protruding. What they hey? Took it down and the guide rod screw had backed out.. Hmm, grabbed my 1/64 (I think) Hex and tightened it down 100 more shoots and it's backing out again. Check the google cuz it's my friend and I see this is an issue that others have encountered, Loctite yada yada. I call CZ, was not impressed he gave me the "it's a common issue" if you want to take care of it yourself break out the vice and a pair of needle nose pliers , Loctite red yada yada, or I can go to the warranty area and send in my defective part and they'll replace it? Never again and that's just on General principle, quality control must be an issue if it's a known issue, but at least send me the replacement spring without putting me through the hassle of return shipments and the like, I just spent almost $500 on your product /rant"
Update they sent the replacement rod without requesting that I return the defective part, back to the range and the guide rod help up through 150 rounds. Trigger has a hitch seem like the "trigger safety" catches on the polymer lip if I engage high on the trigger.. Will Contact CZ and see what they say. Ruger SR9c over 5000 rounds underrated trigger and I've always heard their customer service is outstanding.. It's the one I keep in the nightand. HK VP9 after a very necessary break in seems to be solid.. Not enough rounds through my S&W 380 but no issues so far. Just disappointed in the P 10 C so far and I shot one before I bought it, trigger and value seemed outstanding
Thanks for taking the time to share that, and I'm sorry you've had issues as well. I wasn't so irked that my gun broke. Instead, it was the customer service that pissed me off. I suspect you'd probably say the same. Guns break. I care most how a company handles the problem. And I can tell you from personal experience that Ruger has the best customer service in the industry.
With respect - you mentioned in your previous video that you done 1000s of dry firing drills. Surely any firearm will eventually fail due to dry firing..
I've has parts fail eventually on my G19.. Things happen. Personally that's why I have a EDC carry Gun and a EDC Range (dry firing FA)
If you watch the video, you'll note that my primary complaint is the customer service problem, more than the firing pin. A parts breakage isn't particularly noteworthy, but a company failing to keep firing pin assemblies in stock is. That said, the striker shouldn't have failed when it did. Here's why I think so:
It would also seem that we have wildly different expectations regarding dry fire practice. You say, "Surely any firearm will eventually fail due to dry firing..(sic)" That is correct of any mechanical action that the gun performs. But you're right that dry firing a gun puts more stress on the firing pin than firing a round. Yet, I have guns that have been dry fired 100,000 times without issue. In the modern world, a firing pin failing at this point from dry firing is a problem, as Glock, Walther, HK, Beretta, and others have given us the expectation of years of consequence-free dry-fire practice.
Some manufacturers will tell you that you can dry fire freely, without fear of damaging the gun.
I normally wouldn't take the time to respond in such detail to a comment, but I think a discussion of expectations is valube, and I can point folks to this thread later. You're speaking in generalities, about a topic that requires precision. Dry firing damages the gun. Parts fail from dry firing. In which guns, at what points, made of what materials, manufactured when, with what round count? I do long-term firearms testing on this channel. Part of that involves dry firing.
Here's what I know from testing: hammer-fired guns almost never break their firing pins, and few of them use MIM pins, though some do. The Walther MIM strikers rarely break. Glock strikers break far less often than CZ, and I've been able to easily break several CZ strikers. So, we can't just make a general statement that, if we dry fire, the firing pin could break at any moment. Instead, for the folks who will only own one gun, we need to know which one is most durable for long-term practice. I'm analyzing sample sizes of one, but until more folks stop reviewing guns after firing 300 rounds through them, it's all I've got to offer.
Precision is important, and I encourage you to rewatch the video. I use your very words "things happen" in regards to parts breakages. But I hope we can both agree that the way CZ handled the situation is unacceptable.
@@thegunpenguin
Thanks for the detailed response - truly food for thought!
Makes one think deeply about what you should put on yourself as an EDC that you can truly count your life on.
Ie: recently looking at FN509 midsize.. But there again firing pin breakages (trying not to deviate off topic - but there does seem to be a cat and mouse game with other Strikefire Manufacturers with reliability issues around firing pins more so than Glock.. Even though it can and does occur in Glock Pistols) my personal take on dry firing.. thinking this through, if I was doing serious dry firing drills and if it was my only Pistol I owned for EDC (my only go to Gun) I'd replace the firing Pin annually or note down a specific round count / dry firing count and minimize the EDC carry failure horror. (to determine the Replacement of firing pin to round count / dry firing count.. This is a bit of the unknown)
Nevertheless best regards
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I can't provide an opinion on the FN, as I've never tested one, but the ones I've tried at the range seem to at least feel decent.
But yes, manufacturers are perpetually try to build a more robust firing pin that also keeps costs down. A forged pin would be ideal, but MIM isn't inherently bad, as we see with Walther. In the case of every pin I've broken, it occurred because there was some problem with the MIM part, usually a small void in the metal, that was stressed over time to the point that the pin broke. I've found Glock pins to be of medium durability. Certainly not the best, and far from the worst.
And you're right, replacing parts annually would be ideal, but only dedicated aficionados are going to do that, and most of us that qualify for that label own far more than one pistol anyway. I hear from folks who can't even field strip their guns, or take the base plates off the magazines, let alone detail strip the slide to replace the firing pin or safety plunger. That's why I started these tests. I'm trying to figure out, as best I can, with the very limited resources that I have, which gun will serve the average person best.
The good news: just as these folks will never maintain their guns, they will also rarely dry fire them. And if they are willing to commit to a dry-fire regimen, perhaps they will also commit to learning to swap the pins.
Good on you for posting this. I almost shot one of these one day and the same thing happened. The owner of the gun sent it back and from what I understood CZ told them somehow oil got in the firing pin channel making it make insufficient primer strikes. But if I remember right (and this was almost a year ago) there weren’t even strike marks on the primer.
I'm really sorry to hear that this happened to someone else. What you're telling me sounds like they definitely know about the problem. And for the record, you would have to have quite a bit of oil in the striker channel for it to interfere that much with the pin. That's just...unlikely. What do you think?
thegunpenguin ya that’s what I figured to or even a build up of grease and maybe if it was cold but that just doesn’t sound right. This gun had never even been shot so if it was over lubricated it came that way from the factory. Honestly I’ve never even seen the owner of that gun put oil in the striker channel let alone over lubricating it but he did do a lot of dry firing so I recommended he buy snap caps which he did and to my knowledge he hasn’t had a problem since.
@@StudentOfWarCustoms You raise a really good point, that the strike might not have been designed with the assumption that people would dry fire the gun often. But that's folly -- Americans dry fire like there's no tomorrow. Silliness. And really, your friend's experience with this gun might be worse than mine. You're absolutely right, if there's too much lube, it's because they put it there.
I am now concerned if this type of failure translates down to the S version?
I'm sure they've fixed it! My particular gun is Czech-made. By all accounts, the new US-made guns have solved many of the initial problems.
@@thegunpenguin I had initial issues with my CZ P10S but after I cleaned it and oiled it I had zero issues. It shoots great with no jamming after 400 plus rounds at the range. Mine is stamped Chech Republic on it.
Jesus Christ ! Ok so maybe they don’t have extra strikers ( horrible way to run company inventory) that rep on the phone should have went to the shop floor took one out of a gun that hasn’t left the building and sent it to you. If they didn’t have any “ parts” then you make the customer who bought the product already happy and keep the unsold gun at the shop and make it a new damn striker. Company’s don’t know how to make or keep an inventory. Damn dude that pissed me off. Yet people give shit to hi point or Taurus yet they have the best customer service from what I hear. Thanks for the video. Actually makes me question buying a CZ if I have to deal with idiots. I do that enough already don’t need to add more to the mix
I had wondered if that's what they did. First they didn't have one, then I told them I filmed it, and they magically had the whole assembly. More than any of the other shit that happened, this pissed me off. How the fuck do you not have a strike on hand? I appreciate you watching this, and sorry it's not a more upbeat video. I'm still angry this morning, and it's been several days.
thegunpenguin I would still be pissed too maybe if you told them you knew hickcock 45 they would have just sent you a free gun
@@drewcifer2a That bit fucking irked me. It felt like they were far more concerned about avoiding a PR problem than helping a customer fix their defensive weapon. That's fucked up.
Well came here for the striker info... found out you're a pro musician instead.. wheres that channel? I play guitar too. Just play locally at shows or jams. Sitting in here and there
Hell yeah! Always a pleasure to meet a fellow musician! And I'm honored that you'd want to listen to my terrible music. Right now, I'm trying to keep these parts of my life separate, but, I'm going to work to combine them a bit more in 2021. I'll post a link to a SoundCloud sometime at the start of the year, along with links to some of my favorite albums I've produced. Thank you so much for reaching out!
@@thegunpenguin oh man im quite sure if you are doing sessions and producing you're quite good. What styles do you play? Everything? Im into blues n rockish stuff. Josh smith n matt schofield type stuff
@@gookiecrunch Thanks! But even after all these years, I mostly torture ears. As you said, generally, I end up playing whatever I need to, across a variety of styles. I also produce the occasional audio book and a lot of podcasts. Always a pleasure to meet a blues fan!
The best dressed guy at the gun range. 'I'd like to meet his tailor, Ahoooooo Werewolves of London. His hair was perfect, Ahoooooo' 🎸🎸🎸 😁 My P10C has been perfect too for 2 1/2 years except for that pesky and sticky mag release. 🙄
You're awesome!
My P10s after thousands of rounds has never had a failure of any kind. I shoot USPSA with a CZ CTS in the Limited class and always deal with CZ Custom in Mesa AZ. They are always eager to go beyond excellent customer service. CZ USA is a relatively new organization and the P10 series has seen very high sales volume so I can give them a pass on spotty parts issues. Formally I competed with a famous 2011 manufacturer and experienced the absolute worst customer service and lack of necessary parts. You got a bad striker, it happens!
Did you watch the video? The broken striker wasn’t the real problem. I break parts regularly. The unavailability of a new striker was the problem.
did you dryfire your CZ P10C without a snap cap?
Always. I don't recommend that other folks do that, but plenty of other guns can handle it.
How dare he make fun of my tribal tats and my Gucci Glock then proceeds to wear a leather jacket with grease hair scoop, and tinted glasses lol jk but that hurt lol great video man
You're awesome!
thegunpenguin that was funny af I was like wait I have tribal tats wait I have Gucci Glock, lol you know what they say truth hurts just lean in to that shit and own it lol, love it man, love how u can take a joke to,and i actually sold my Glock and currently carrying a Czp10c so I guess it was a Glock killer for me! On a side note. To each it’s own
@@diehardoutdoors The P10C is an awesome gun! I've just had back luck with my CZs. I try not to take things too seriously, and that includes poking fun at myself. And for the record, I have a Gucci Glock or two laying around myself.
My pin just broke. Reaching out to CZ for a replacement.
Sorry to hear it. Let me know how it goes!
@@thegunpenguin CZ is sending me a new assembly hassle free.
@@derekmckee4384 I'm very glad to hear it! I hope they've gotten the supply and customer service issues sorted out for good. I didn't care as much about the broken part as I did how they handled the situation. Guns break. Strikers break. But their response was lousy. Thanks for the very useful info, and I hope your gun is running again soon!
All CZ’s I buy go straight to Cajun Gun Works where the trigger is significantly enhanced and the striker is replaced to a more durable one. That p10 has an awful trigger compared to their double action pistols.
I don't really consider the P10 trigger to be in any way comparable to any DA/SA trigger. For me, it's more useful to compare it to other striker-fired guns. Looking at it that way, the P10xx trigger is one of the best, of that kind. And you're wise to send your CZs to Cajun -- their stock DA/SA triggers leave much to be desired. But, CZs are budget firearms. Once I'm spending Cajun money, I'd rather simply purchase a better gun, like a Beretta, perhaps.
It took me forever to get someone on the phone. I had to send one in back in February and a month later got it back. Mine only had 34 rds slide stop spring design. I got it back and put only 60 rounds the most i have ever been able to put in it. So far so good but i don't 100% trust it. Calling cz 1minute wait = 3 so 5 minutes wait = 15 minutes.
Just bought a P10C and now I find this video...
Sorry! But here's the good news: from what I hear from viewers, CZ is doing a much better job mailing out new strikers. Also, I'm sure they're working to solve the problem permanently, if they haven't already.
@@thegunpenguin that's good to hear. I got the suppressor ready urban version. Hopefully the issue isn't on those models.
@@Armixs The internals are the same between the standard and suppressor-ready models. But again, I'd hope that they've fixed the problem at this point. If nothing else, most people are telling me that they are quick to replace the strikers. But, also, for the record, I'm still regularly hearing from viewers who have broken strikers.
My P10c after 500 rounds is back getting repaired. I’m sorry I bought it
I broke out the breach face of my glock 19 in 2 years. My P10f has been going strong for 4 years. Stuff happens. ANY gun can break. It is a tool. Don't get invested in the tool. Just get another one. They ALL will break. Yes....even Glocks.
As many of you know?? You're talking to 2 people. Just kidding. I liked the video!
I was mostly talking to my cats. Ok, my neighbor's cats.
CZ probably didn't know how to react to this particular problem because it was the very first time they heard of such a problem if not the only time. I tried to search TH-cam for another similar problem. Nothing.... What are the odds ? I'm sure you must be some really unlucky dude :) I tried to search for Glock problems on the other hand and I might need a second person next to me to help me count the number of problems people were facing with their pretty reliable Glocks.... Before you go trade your P10C's for shitty out of the box Glocks guys, do some more research. I got the P10C since it came out. Thousands of rounds with absolutely no problem. I got the P10F non OR as soon as it came out, same story.
I very much appreciate you taking the time to respond, but I respectfully disagree. Searching various forums, I'm able to find more than a few instances of the same breakage. As you note, Glocks break firing pins too. That particular problem is perhaps the most common thing to go wrong on a Glock. Neither one of us has any way to present hard numbers as to how many of each break, but there are more Glocks than P10Cs in the wild. Without numbers from the manufacturers, both of us are speculating about frequency. I noted it in the video, but it's worth saying it again: parts break, on any gun. That's not my primary concern. CZ's response was the cause for concern. But you're right -- someone buying this gun should do some research, and outside of TH-cam. A cursory Google search confirms that both P10Cs and Glocks frequently break firing pins. Only, Glock always has spares. The good news: I'd wager that, with CZ producing guns in the USA, it won't be a problem, getting firing pins in the future. One last thing that I ought to note. I'm not attached to one manufacturer, or one gun. I've shot too much, and for too long to think that way. Everything breaks. That said, I love the P10C -- it's my favorite striker-fired gun on the market. But that doesn't mean that this isn't a problem. I made sure that I found many other instances of this breakage before I created this video, and then I heard from more than a few folks who had the same problem. Don't take my word for it; check the comments of this video and others. But I totally understand your position, and I appreciate you taking the time to share it.
Good, Thx
MrGunsandgears channel started from a shit Glock. Your point on parts was crazy though.
Hey, everybody starts somewhere, I guess! Which point on parts?
@@thegunpenguin Yeah my point was ALL companies have problematic firearms. I don't think you yourself were slamming the P10.
A lot of Glock only people are. Glocks F up a lot. Difference is their output to fail ratio is def lower as they mass manufacture. I Don't and won't ever own a Glock after Gen 3. Gen 3 to me was Glock perfection. Or as close as they'll ever get. Just my Opinion. Im no expert. Just an enthusiast who's got nothing but gun buddies. Some Military and LEO.
My reference on parts was how CZ seemed to BS you and play games. That's what was concerning! Made me smell some smoke.
I have a p10c that was the last iteration of the 2017s early 18s before the backplate change. Im not too concerned with the Striker rotation. Ive manually engaged to the left and it always went back into battery.1500 rounds not one issue (knock on wood). Hopefully I won't die because any of my firearms stop working. Had a friend that went through a slew of Glock problems on his Gen 4 before he went back to a 3 I sold him. To this day that experience made him dislike Glocks which is ridiculous.
Thank's for the reply and for your video! I hope these are isolated problems and not indicative of the platform as a whole. Subbed!
My intention was certainly not to slam the P10C, it's still my favorite polymer pistol by far, and any criticisms are offered because I want to see it improved as much as possible. I believe it can surpass the Glock in every performance metric, with enough tweaking. You make a good point about the gen. 3 Glocks -- my first one was a gen. 3, and it was indestructible!
I completely agree with you about the CZ parts situation. Like I said in the video, I was far more bothered by how they handled the situation than the actual breakage itself. Again, as you said, every company makes lemons, and I can usually manage to break just about any gun, but I expect a company to have parts on hand, always. Also, the situation with your friend points to how we view products in general, and how ridiculous the human mind can be. We, myself included, will ignore the slew of public evidence regarding a product's track record and substitute in our own limited experience. I don't trust my P10C, but I absolutely trust P10Cs in general, and I'm coming back around with mine.
Anyhow, thank you so much for subscribing, and taking the time to share your thoughts! I very much appreciate it! If you're ever bored, I made a follow-up video about my P10C, and I'd wager you'll see a P10F on the table before too long.
As far as CZ's customer service I had the opposite experience. I bought the Suppressor ready P-10C with the Suppressor height Tritium sights. I accidentally dropped my P10c from a tall shelf on to a hard marble floor and the fall busted the Tritium vile in the front sight , no damage to the rear sight. Totally my fault. I called CZ to find out how much it would cost me for a factory replacement front sight and was honest about how the front sight got damaged and the CZ Rep sent me a front and rear set of replacement Tritium sights for free and CZ even paid for the shipping and I had the replacement sights in 3 days. And actually what the CZ rep did was sent me the front Tritium Suppressor height sight for the P-07 which also is compatible with the P 10 C because the P-07 sight is a stronger medal he said. Also I have shot my P 10C for 8 months now not sure of the round count but have had no issues other than the front sight which was my negligence. However I will keep an eye on the striker so thank you for sharing what happened to you. After watching your video I saw that there are aftermarket forged steel strikers available and will be investigating in 2 of those strikers for peace of mind. But I like my P 10C so much Im actually picking up a 2nd one this week, the Urban Grey Suppressor ready model
That's really heartening, and your experience is much closer to what I had expected. In much the same way that every gun can break, every company can have a bad day. And I'm with you all the way on affection for the P10C. Truly, I love these guns, which certainly didn't make me feel any better about my interaction with CZ. I seriously doubt this will be my last P10C, and it certainly be my last CZ. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience; it's very helpful.
I had just bought one, not on your reccommendation don't worry, but being in South Africa, it's a little more than a F$&*(&$(#ing pain in the rear.
I'm sorry you're having trouble with yours. Any luck getting in touch with CZ?
So... back to glock again... I was ready to buy P10C and P10F.... really thanks for your video! You may had saved someone life.
Thank you for the kind words, and I'm glad it helped!
I wouldn't trust that gun Anymore. You shouldn't have to call up a company over their product and they're giving you the run around and what makes it so bad, this video is Two year's before the pandemic. If they didn't have part's 4 year's ago imagine now, almost in the year 2023 what part's do they have in stock if any.
I appreciate the video I will be selling mine or trading I find it useless now
I really like mine but this video doesn't make me feel good at all....I have about 600 rounds through mine and no issues....I don't use this as a carry or home defense gun yet, and wont...I'll stick to my G19 or P320 X-Carry
Do you have a newer US-made P10C? If so, I'd wager the problem is sorted out. If nothing else, US production has almost certainly fixed the parts supply issue, which was really the problem that bothered me the most. I'm dumb, and can manage to break just about any gun, so I expect replacement firing pins to be readily available. Anyhow, I'm hoping this problem is behind us after production moved, and I think we can all shoot out P10Cs without reservations. It's still my favorite polymer pistol to shoot, by far!
thegunpenguin mine is 2018 production and on the side of the gun says made in the Czech
@@RepentorPerish77Even so, worst case scenario is that the pin breaks, and they send you a new one, made here, that won't snap. It's still scary and far from optimal, but it makes the gun far more useful. Anyhow, that's just the opinion of some jackoff making videos on TH-cam, and probably isn't particularly valuable.
Parts break on Glocks too !! Fact !!
Yes, they do. That's not the issue here, as I say in the video. Instead, the bigger problem is how CZ handled the breakage. Though, to be fair, the Glock parts I've broken were at much higher round counts. Also, I appreciate your commitment to batshit insane punctuation.
What ever part they send may be worse.
It's always a possibility. And if it is, they'll have to send me another one until they sort it out. My hope is that they already know about the problem and have fixed the metallurgy behind the scenes. It sucks that handgun development ends up being a public, group endeavor, but it usually is. Better that than no progress, I suppose, but it sure is lousy.
@@thegunpenguin I will send people over PSA style
It's funny, I didn't realize how much this sounds like a PSA. I really hope folks start checking their firing pins. This scared me a little, you can probably tell in the video.
@@thegunpenguin I think not sharing it should be a crime lolz. People need to know brother. You did a good thing that could be very useful info for others.
@ Haha! I really do appreciate it. This is exactly why I started testing guns hard like this. Shit starts to break at the worst moment, and I don't want that to happen to anybody.
Well mine just broke!!!! I’m fuck n pissed man, selling it for a Glock this is what happens when I try something new
I'm sorry to hear that. Though it'll make the CZ fans have a heart attack, I hear from a lot of people who have broken their strikers. I've broken Glock strikers too, but at 8k rounds, not 2.8k. Any striker-fired gun can break the striker -- it's a weak point, as most of them are MIM parts -- but the P10C seems to break them at a higher right than other brands. The MIM parts don't seem to have the best QC at the CZ factory.
Wow
It was all very unfortunate.
That’s bad, that’s really bad
It was not great.
This was my only gun and I only new it was broke because I have a laser dry fire kit my brother cane over with his 19X and the laser fired so I took my gun apart send it snapped off so I now we’ll get rid of it and pick me up a Glock this is BS CZ dead to me
I'm very sorry, especially considering it's your only firearm. In the interest of fairness, I have to note that Glocks break strikers too, just not nearly as often. For me, the broken striker wasn't the issue as much as how CZ handled it. At the end of the day, CZ is more of a budget brand, and you get budget brand quality control. There's a reason P10Cs were selling for $380-430 at one point last year. The P10C offers my favorite firing experience from a striker-fired gun, but it's just not sturdy enough. A damn shame, that is.
thegunpenguin just order anew striker last night going sell it when it comes in only $9 and I’m going to back to Glock I have dry fired a Glock 100k times never issue and thy CZ I dry fired it more than shot it but had it less than a month so,,, ya if I spend $450 on a gun it better work without any doubts CZ not winning me back