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Tells to pick a mid that has a spirit in their name.
Me: *picks Spirit Breaker*
Vengeful Spirit
still doesn't gank
@@OppositeOfMute Topson did VS mid a couple patches ago. In pubs tho
@@josephreynolds2401 he picked it in tournament also😂
@@OppositeOfMute VS mid isn't even that bad though
1:22 Antimage arriving at an empty jungle camp.
I felt that.
Same, then u have to go deep for a creep wave then you die. Coz they taking all jungle like shit
Ez
Trench is deep my dudes
i played antimage for the first time recently. i got to say, its pretty fun. i never get to farm in my own jungle, cause its always taken, so i had to farm in enemy jungle 50% of the time. placed the observers in enemy jungle myself, since thats the only space i can find. at least i won the game.
That just make me happy. everyone play useless mage
I can ward the whole map as a support and end up getting blamed by a core dying in the dewarded place of the map.
wardin is just like havin a small action durin walkin no big action or motive like walkin alone and place it
it would be a top notch wardin if u place a obs wards durin a fight so keep one obs durin smoke
i once have a team that flames me when i begged them to help me deward. not saying to buy sentry, just walk with me as the enemies are aiming for me dewarding. but they just stay farming, all 4 of them.
@@yagoosidol6338 i feel you bro.
@@yagoosidol6338 that should be fine just farm at lane if all ur carries farmin jug u make space a bit ( dont die ) . dota is a situational game wardin and dewardin not the only thing u can do in dota. if can do that so , u could have stack , farm at lane ( close to ur carry ) , plant obs . Just deward it after winnin a clean fight will do because your carries also dont wanna risk their life to a no vision area
When I subscribe to Jenkins I am essentially just giving my money to the homeless. Therefore it is a charity and I feel good about myself, thanks Jenkins.
It's like my granpappy always said, "Never trust a hobo in a tie."
Everything said here is myths and old legends for SEA. There are still people in the game who play mid and ask for wards even though they are free (observer)
moj jam you know what always works for me if they bought wards before me and I need them? “Bro can you give me ward please? I need for runes mid” so far it didn’t work only 1 time when they were pretty retarded from the get go, supports bought wards and when I asked they said they need and they put them in side lanes, not even in the spots to see jungle too. They then got jelly and put it on them, like 4 and 5. What a horrible line I had, non stop ganking, no runes, enemy mid was farming my medium camp beside radiant mid
@@valentinpopescu98 you can buy another ward at 1.30 still early enough to check the rune. Not saying that's how it should be, just a convenient workaround for retard teammates
That's just 5 mmr midlaners, regardless of server
Mahendran K I know you can but they spam right click on it and still buy it. I’m 4,5k FYI, you what 1k?
u cant practice correct dota in sea and if u do u gona get reported
Me who dont even play dota 2 anymore: Hmm. Yes
I learned something on something i dont play anymore
Haha exactly my case
Exactly my case too haha
@@fauzanarisyikoto3418 So I've started playing again. That's what binge-watching DotA videos does to you.
"don't feed 7 deaths by 10 minutes"
*sweat in pos 5*
You need to value your life more as a support actually
early? absolutely. Late? nah man throw yourself at them as long as your ult is on CD respawn timers still count towards freezing field time
the most annoying thing is when supports kill the camps at the 10th second of the new minute. Like... FUCK YOU MAN now i have to stand like idiot for 30 seconds or just teleport somewhere
i sweat as a pos 4 xd
I'm really interested to hear where the idea of mids not ganking comes from. I started playing DotA 2 in 2013 and other would tell me the mid is almost always the role that needed to do the ganking. I would play mid Puck and TA and gank all the time. Now i stopped playing Dota for a number of years and only got back into it a bit recently, but the mid being a ganker is an idea that I still have. So at least that one bad habit i dont have lol.
On dota 1 the midlane hero was always ganking, starting even with the 2' minute rune. Usually ppl picked pudge, sf, mirana, zeus, lina or whatever, get a bottle and ganking over and over again on sidelanes. It could be min 20 and have 35 cs or something like that. At least on the platforms i played😂
Good old days when pudge hook and mirana arrow is still fast af
yes. idk why he says calling Nature Prophet as Furion is stupid. lol
sounds like pub picks, in leagues it was more like Viper, SF, Tiny, QoP, Puck (basically mobile heroes that can quickly nuke for >800 by level 7) Only would you ever see cores mid is if they draft a counter pick to the midlane with a core that has an edge in base damage recovery or range and is just better at scoring last hits and denies. Then you'd see DK Brood Huskar Outworld Devourer Necro and sometimes Panda or Sniper (fast attack point animations (can be good if you have low ping)).
@@sirknightdude2587 well yeah, those heroes too. Now that I think more ppl were playing any hero on mid back then. I remember seein a lot of AA, Bane, Ench, ET. Stuff like Topson plays nowadays. And I think it's better that way. I think that as long as you have fun and it works, you can try any build you want, no matter how weird and stupid may be in the eyes of the others. The community is really toxic and sticked to the basic concepts rn. For example if I pick AM mid and go for some MOM basher aghs build, at least 1 person from my team will flame since the very beggining and will find only me responsible for any mistake in the game. Meanwhile, I just wanna have fun and increase my MMR.
well those are good ol days, in dota 2 mid lane actually wants lvl 4 safe to gank mid lane XD
the cores dont ward is funny for me when i play core my 5 is just holding all the wards and is just at lane not doing anything
Your teammates reflects how you play too. If your rank has shit players then you are one of them. If you are good then you will rank high.
@@maximomanabat8382 how will you explain EE and Mason phenomena?
maybe you should have bought the ward then. That's literally why he said that carry should buy the wards because at later stage of the game, you're probably farming by yourself while your 4other teammates fight on the other side of the map. Even if they have the wards, they won't place it anywhere close to you just because they're too far away. If you feel endangered, just buy your own wards. Stop blaming your support on everything.
my carry blame me not warding and 2 wawrd left on base,and the fucker picked AM the easiest carry that can pick those ward place and safe farm mid game
@@welkidofianga4153 I dont know what EE and Maxon phenomena are. Would you care to explain? sounds interesting.
I've been playing since 2011 and I can't think of a time when mid was ever seen as a passive farm lane. Obviously there are some exceptions with greedy mids who want farm, but usually the popular mid heroes are ones that can abuse runes and gank the side lanes when they hit a power spike like QoP or storm.
Why subliminal baby at 5:49 XD (watch at 0.25 speed!)
wtf was that lol and how did you see it first lol
wtf man 😂😂😂😂
I find the best way to play and win MMR is to pretend that Carry doesn't exist:
If they are good- a mega creep in late-game to use as bait.
If they aren't - well it's a 4v5 game anyway.
This video should be mandatory for every idiot before playing Ranked. Even in Divine 4 ppl don‘t get these concepts. I don‘t even wanna think about the lower tiers
Providence divine 4 is low get good noob and you won’t have noobs Anymore
The only thing separating you from me and my Herald brothers are a couple of clicks. If you’re trying to play like a pro but you’re not pro, you’re a loser like the rest of us.
:O toxic
@@BigDaddyTCG the thing seperating you and me is reflexion. Watching your own replays and realizing how dumb you are every time you play. I felt dumb watching my replays in every rank i have been to. from legend 4 to low immortal. Most ppl don't try to play like pros. Some just try to play at their best abilty, like in a career. I don't have fun in being bad. I seek improvement at everything I do. That's why I play dota and not some other game. If you start at herald or don't try, it's completely fine. If you are trying for couple of 1000s hours and you are still herald. Idk man. Grow a brain.
@@KidTrigger I'm kinda too bad for lower immortal that's why I play on Div 4 smurf. Due to commitment to work I don't play much. I might be able to rank up if I can hold +50% winrate for a good amount of games but I just don't play enough. Ppl do retarded stuff in every rank, but some basic concepts should be easy for someone to grasp who is half decent at something like dota
11:34 = a Dota legend that needs to come back
2:46
"Vsauce, Jenkins here"
damn, this is so underrated
I like how all heroes with "spirit" in its name is really really great at ganking and can even play at different roles
Nice video as always Jenkins, can you work on a video about position 1? What pro players do that you don’t or some clever topic around being a better position 1.
I find your knowledge super useful and I really like hearing you as a caster, real game analyst!!
Keep up.
Carlos Gamboa Encinas just get good noob farm better and make no mistakes and don’t cry and sell your items when your team makes one mistake
What is the situation about lawyers that you mentioned at the end? I didn't catch that before and I am curious to know about that. btw great video!
Love your thought-provoking opener, Dinosaurs oldest living relative would be birds! T-Rex most likely tasted like some sort of carnivorous poultry, like a hawk, falcon, or vulture.
Also, mint chocolate chunk ice cream and north if i had to pick one direction
One problem I have when I try to shove out the offlane/dangerous farm lane, is often even if i tell my team what i'm doing they will get into a bad 4v5 fight without me and feed, then ping spam me for missing the fight and flame me lol. I've often had to let T1's die to just creeps in order to not get reported for missing the team fight they choose to take without me. It's rough in solo queue.
Jenkins doesn't even know chicken is a Dinosaur.
The warding is what I don't understand with cores, observer ward is already free and because of support items 4 and 5 can no longer carry ward because their inventory is full and yet cores still don't want to exert effort to plant observer ward which can definently save a life. #supportlife
"4 habits that make you a bad Dota player"
1. You playing on sea server
2. You never use your mic
3. Use alien language
4. Disconnect every half second
just admit it already.
Speaking on sea server will be like conversing with a cave that echoes back in a language you don't understand
@@unimpressedsquidward3059 lmao. damn man. so true.
i think be problems no they 4 list，big problems is play like feeder ，gg game
atleast sea wins tournaments....go complain about your peruvian friends
True, a carry could purchase get a ward, but it's not ideal because he could be putting the ward in a spot that the enemy has their sentry at, thus making it an easy de-warding for the enemy. A carry would have to buy a sentry (which costs gold) in addition to a ward to guarantee that the place they are placing the ward isn't already sentried.
This is pure excuse.
Years ago, I used to buy wards and send them to my team via the courier, and they'd still be too lazy to ward. Like, what do you want me to do, walk all over the map just to place a ward, and then walk back again while my hard carry is dying in a 1v2?
good to watch it at the morning :D being totally honest, I've this "issues" long behind me.
5:50 now my depression is cured
Also, jenkins can you make a video about dota updates and metas we might have missed because of this quarantine. Thanks
there are many bat habbits old players have. for example there was an old-ass dota 1 rule that if you build an item, you should but expensive components first, or components that give health. but these days you need to think every time which components is more efficient to buy frist, for example sometimes its better to buy mkb with blitz knuckles and not demon edge etc
The other day I reinstalled and built a diffusal thinking it could purge buffs on me
About failing the lane happens to me all of the time. Sometimes 3 deaths and ur opponents already snowballed. And it took me long to notice that I should juat give up the lane and just not die.
The reason you gave for supporting you at the end of the video is jaw dropping 🤣
My favorite is when an export invoke does not even bother to drop a sunstrike to help the lane, even when the gank is called in time, and ppl even ping the target
I hate the thing when carry is about to respawn and your support run and take all 3 waves pushing into you to farm 😭
hobos ? you mean gorgc? i've heard he has been adopted by s4...it will all resolve soon
2:00, when my carry friends play support, they tend to gobble up all the neutral, all the kill, and saving themselves first instead of sacrificing yourself to save carry. And they dont even try.
Your vids are all over the place really, I literally have a puck pos 4 today clearing every wave, stealing farm in front of core's face, saying they watch your clip and doing "The Puppey Strat".
That can't be attributed to Jenkins. The fact that the puck decided that this was the strat he was going to go for today without letting anyone know or finding his own pre-made team is him just being stupid.
If the puck wanted to try a strat he should've found friends who wouldn't mind. Ain't Jenkins's fault.
- “Don’t steal creeps from your carry”
- *LAUGHS IN WRAITH KING*
ONE DOESN'T RAISE AN ARMY ON AIR AND GOOD GRACES, PEASANT.
the only exception to the rule are the low tier mid heroes, the dumb right click mid heroes and tinker. Those are heroes that are either too slow to go gank enemy lanes, need a lot of items to scale or they are made to dominate mid, take it fast and then proceed to join another lane and start team fighting.
And Tinker of course is the opposite. The whole point is to delay his BoTs before he becomes a global gank presence. So in this case mid needs to get ganked hard.
the fun part in lower brackets is that. carries dont farm at all. they run around aimlessly. 30mins with 10min items.
This tutorial is so good. Actually god-like. Thanks for making it, I hope more players watch this, regardless of the bracket.
if there is no space for carry to farm, I think the real issue is, are we all competing for farm which translate to "are we all picking semi core or hard carry?". If yes, then someone else need to give up their farm. If you have AM and Tinker in one team and NP, for sure there will be no space to farm unless you are controlling whole map. However, during the game, no one wants to give up their farm and as a result everyone has sub par item while enemy core already at peak
Regarding first point:
Imho communication is the key, it would be nice if the carry would just say "I am farming the triangle, please do not steal my farm".
Amazing video sir. Really opened my eyes. I wished everyone in my bracket watched this.
Subscribed 👍
Honestly Jenkins, I wish turbo players listened to any one of these strats, I used to not have time for normal games so I put my suffering in turbo mode. In turbo if mid ganks at lvl 6 and gets a double for his safe, safe goes up 1 lvl per hero, you get about 400 gold and mid goes up a level as well. You even use that ult you cant find a use for in mid and put in on cool down, I.e. use it for what it was intended
"wonders what dinosaurs taste like on a daily basis" i'm not sure if this is stupid or genius.
I see the effect of Jenkins playing carry role "for some hypothetical reason that no one fucking knows but guess what everyone actually knows" in the 1st tip. Good job body keep it up.
We got bait and switched by the image of cm standing in trees.
TFW I’ve been playing this game for so long that I thought "mids don’t gank" is the advice when he started talking about old habits. When I joined in 2013, everyone insisted that mids should gank with their runes and I’ve never changed that mentality. Glad to see it’s apparently in-meta again xd
@Jenkins please share this video for all people in my rank, pubs basics thinks and people's not thinking about this
Actually in Dota 1 mid was always the ganker. In Dota 2 it switched around, people ganked into mid and mid more farmed. It seems now we transition back to the way it was.
The trick with ganking as mid is, you MUST kill their carry or cores. If you waste your time and resource on a support kill two things happen: First the support gets a free ticket to the base,free tp scroll and buys wards salves etc.. And second now you don't actually know where that support is,so you lose info and they can gank your other lane now that you are very far. Oh also their mid gets like 2-3 completely free creep waves. So ALWAYS go for the carry/core kill. Sometimes I think it might be better not to kill that support even if it's the only one you can kill and it's guaranteed.
I have a bad habit of pressing "1" "2" "3" keys repeatedly and I don't know why.
In fountain? I know ;)
starcraft?
nice vid man
I don't know what you've been smoking as of late, Jenks, but midlane in dota 1 was always a role that occupied mid because with the fastest level 6 on the map you could tilt the balance on the sidelanes to your favor and thus most prominent midlaners were all that instead of mid PL/Faceless Void/Ursa.
And moreso, even in dota 2 when ranked got added - fastest way to get get solo mmr was to spam QoP/Storm/Tinker mid because of the nature of the heroes and inability of pubs to retaliate due to lack of knowledge back in the day
Exactly. The "ganking to midlane" is, however, important before level 6-7, in order to tilt the balance in 1v1 lane. After level 6-7, it makes super sense to gank (if you cannot push).
In pubs, I see people requesting gank instead of helping mid, mid going away from midlane before level 6, nobody farming mid, and mid statically farming (instead of pushing or ganking) when the opponent leaves.
I reached 10 MMR after a consistent losing streak, then I started playing carry and reached 140 MMR. Later, I met offlaners who would take beating from carry and then take all the safe farm, use spells to take creep waves, which brought me back to 10 MMR. So I switched to offlane and didn't steal the safe farm from my carry, also this allowed me to shut down their carry. With this strategy I reached around ~400 MMR. Now the next problem I face is that my teammates take bad fights. If the opposite team is snowballing them, they get frustrated and fight more and blame each other. I hope I can improve my gameplay and find a solution to this so that I can exit herald bracket.
Its a long road for most people. Dont worry that much about mmr and try to focus on what you should improve next. Your mmr will always follow your actual gameplay over time. Gl
Write a book
Man I face a similar problem. I play as support, and find that my team mostly turns out to be glass cannons, almost no tanks. And sometimes I end up picking centaur in support. I'm talking about the ranked roles matches
@jonis jebisow an offlaner then? I've still not got the hang of good farming so carries is tough for me in ranked matches
@jonis jebisow fair enough. Thanks a lot man
im in ancient bracket SEA we usually have a magnus mid that steal triangle farm in a badgame. E.X when i have a spectre game in a losing match up im force to take the hard farm / dangerous farm near unwarded area usually bottom lane that tower got taken because most of the time my magnus is taking the triangle. what should i do in this situation jenkins?
find someone to feel sorry for you, praise how good you really are at playing and lose the game.
@@AxaFin hahahha
communicate with them and tell them why they shouldn't do it
What??? When I first started Dota in 2014 I always thought mid was the resident ganking role purely because of their level advantage.
It was the same concept many years ago in Dota 1, not sure what this guy is talking about. Agree with the rest though
ty man ik most of this thx to dota2 caster analys in pro games specily the farm priority . a second thx for pointing that pudge is a poinltess hero erly mid and late game unless the enemy team insanly bad.
4:55 i always do this... only if support doesnt buy up all the wards and places it in his lane :/
As an offlane player I cant agree more with your first advice. I see soooo many players playing the offlane bascially as a second carry and not as a space maker and this just ruins games.
Recently I and Viper fed on our offlane and kept coming. 6 deaths till 10-minute mark. Still won, coz they had trilane (Shadow Shaman, Lion, Sven) and we out lvled them.
In low ancient, I can't even pick a farm dependent carry because the jungle is usually empty.
The first advice about the farm stealing is so goddam true. I used to play carry and fed up of mostly every single game having my farming patterns broken again and again and again. Even more sad than supports doing that is when offlaners, aggressive offlaners like slardar farming jungles. Just because I am aware of this and pay attention to this, now that I play mostly pos 3 nd 4 my games are much easier just because I respect my carry farm and make space for him.
well in sea pos 5 and pos 4 is jungling while pos 123 is pushing lane
ty for giving +400 mmr so far. looking forward to 2k more!
Dude jenkins ty. Im gonna send this vid to my friends who doesnt get this till now
It’s so strange, I remember mid from the 2013-4 days being THE gank lane.
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Thank you for this. Hope for some more vids.
One thing was wrong. I come from dota 1 and the midlane hero ALWAYS had to be good at ganging and do so as soon as he hits lvl6 usually.
Just farming mid might have been a 2007 dota strategy having a silencer and viper farm mid but those days were long gone by the time dota 2 hit
Your existence makes my games better. GGz Jenkins.
As a support I trade with my carry with 2 small camps for 4 large camps and ancients all with 3-5 stacks by 13-15 mins. Then farm the lane when he goes jungling.
You know what Jenkins? I will watch this pair of ads because you put it at the end of the video instead of 5 times throughout.
Gread vid as usual. Keep ur good work man!
Yeah one of my friends who is not a carry player tells me to get more farm and more levels when I play offlane core but invariably I am near the carry and they could easily want the camp and it is also nowhere near minute tick. I played a carry once to know how annoying it is to enter the jungle to realise there are no goddamn creeps to smack
I'm at 1k MMR what I always see is people not buying regen at the start of the game, always rushing boots, wand or wraith band. My last four games I've won the laning phase by showing up and casting one spell.
I play on the SEA server and even as a pos 1/2/3, I'll always buy and carry the wards myself to plant **UNLESS** my supports are just that good that I don't have to do so. And if I die due to my lousy warding skills, it's solely my fault. Observer wards are now free! Just send them along with your items in laning phase. Ironically, despite playing both dota 1 & 2, and having over 5000 hours accumulatively, I still feel that I have flaws which this video addresses one of it which is the sub-duty of a pos 5 :) A great video by the way!
Really great tips!
Thank you!
Here is advice from an old Dota player, offlaners or Pos 3 players should buy team items (with auras like pipe, crimson, vlads, guardian, shivas, ac and so on), as well as supports Pos 4 and 5, they should have meka, force stuff, glimmer, archane boots, veil of discord and so on. Main goal is to focus most toxic heroes from other team (never focus tank first) and to save carry and mid from dying in other words, die for them.
My cores wont change lane even my lane is fked up
Jenkins: Dont get the farm of the carry
SEA Region: What? Get jungle farm ? Ok
I've been carried by Deso Maiden before. I swear, just about anything goes in SEA.
I played since 2013 and there was as certain build up of a midlane mindset from absolutely go gank lanes to stay farm and win with gold advantage, because you'll just waste you time anyway, since people learnt to write "ss" for a missing hero in chat and your teammates on the lane have no mana and hp anyway.
So now you actually need to break your midset as mid laner togo gank again.
The only thing better than leaving mid to gank is somehow getting ganked, one time an idiot spirit breaker was trying to help his arc warden gank me as silencer, by the 5 minute mark I had 4 more int, the spirit breaker was missing 4 of his int, I was higher level than the arc and we demolished the game because we won both the other lanes
i once played pos5 dark seer and stacked a camp 4 times. i kept telling my core to come take this. i even pinged the mid who was Lina to take it but they didnt. there was a techies in enemy team running around and thought he would take it for himself so i took the stack for myself. sometimes, cores are stupid.
5:49 Easter egg
11:34 better easter egg
I actually flame supports now for getting all the wards and just letting it sit in their inventory. Especially when the rune ward is about to run out.
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Harry styles?
People taking a camp every now and there is okay, in my herald/gaurdian games, people last actually pick a carry as hard support, jugg / faceless void and make sure thati won't have a single cs until 3:00 min mark and throw the game in ranked role queue. This happened 2 straight games yesterday.
YOu make great videos and I'm thankful for all of them.
Me watching this video: ohh ok i should stop doing this
3 seconds later....
still proceeds to do these habits
When did the "Mid hero isn't a ganker" misconception start??? I've been playing since dota1 to HoN to dota2, it has always been that mid needs to constantly gank side lanes..wtf
Well if u picked dusa and trax mid,thats why
Yea i play moba for 10 years, mid creating space for carry was always a rule. Idk where he got that part from, it was always some trash bracket morons farming for 30 mins with midlaner with no gamesense.
I sometimes gank when I am in mid, but when I go mid broodmother I never gank, people complain why I dont get a scepter and help, but I tell them that in some tutorials I saw, the pros say "broodmother doesn't gank".
I know that when I break the first tower I should move to help, only then, but even that would be right, instead of that I go breaking the tier 2 and 3 mid towers, just because it is cool with broodmother, then ALL the enemies come to defend mid and I make space for them to go breaking the lane towers, is that TOO bad??
(I mean I have fun, and I play non-classyficatory, my rank was between courier and guardian more or less). My strat works most of the time and honestly Brood is the only hero I got mvps.. I have 50 mvp..
@@capsuleboy Thats exactly brood job. Win lane, push and create space.
wait what? mid has always been great for roaming.. I remember playing solo mid for TDA in dota allstars like 15 years ago, and they always picked heavy roamers for me to play, like QoP and NA... Bottle + Rune is just too powerful, why wouldn't a mid roam? that's insane talk. It's literally always been amazing for mid to roam, what other reason is there to have a bottle/runes other than greed? It's for the mid to gank the side lanes. It was like that in dota allstars, AND in the betas for both HoN and DotA 2..
Maybe its silly but in mid lane if carry hard to farm fast n lots its better to gank other line, but if there 1 supp or hardliner stack jungle creep for mid liner its better
yo i was just thinking the same as jenkins said it. on the first problem, i was strictly only a carry player when i was legend for a couple of years, now i transitioned to strictly playing support role and now im ancient and i actually notice this. like if i am killing a camp, i look at the minimap and see that my carry is farming camps on the other end slowly going towards the camp im farming. i notice those things. what i do is to just make some of the creeps low and leave it
For some reason this still happens in the High Legend - Low Ancient bracket.
Thanks Jenkins! This for the algo. Hehe
More often vids please
oh man i miss the old days of dota 1 where there were no roles, we all auto-attacked creeps or dive for kills, no pulls, no stacks, no wards, no last hits or denies, just 5 agility heroes having fun :)). N'aix had 1 active spell ... you could almost play it with just the mouse. Ursa could Rosh at lvl 1, Mortred was literally invisible and whoever could play Meepo was a god :)
the problem is nobody accpet that in lower ranks , which makes impossible to rank up
SEA players:I'll pretend I didn't heard this