The difference between 3k, 6k, and 8k players
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video, Jenkins talks about biggest difference between 3k, 6k, and 8k MMR players in Dota 2.
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hello friends, I am curious what is your MMR and what annoys you most about your bracket? top SUGGESTIONS will be a VIDEO brothers and sisters. luv u
2.8k mmr...I just cant win the game if i lose my lane, please help JENKINS
3.3k MMR and my biggest problem is when people flame but i guess that's a problem in every bracket.
2.5k my team just goes out of base when were being dumpstered w/o vision and smoke, and the enemy team is missing. We all die, and the blame game starts
When I play AUS server 5.7k everyone plays too slow and farms all day, when I play on SEA server same MMR no one thinks about the game they just play off feel and throw literally 20% of the time.
1k mmr, and i dont know where my position
one of the best dota 2 content creator still so underrated sad...
Doesn't help that Dota is dead.
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People, especially high mmr players, often forget that above 3k represents only 25% of the player base. 75% of DOTA 2 players are *below 3k mmr*. And in reality, 3k mmr players are actually pretty good and often get a lot right.
True, but at the same time they get a lot of things wrong, just check your average game Pos1&2 on both sides and see if their item builds is actually adapted to the game they are in. Or if the pos4 is actually building the kind of utility required rather than rushing a Scepter on his own.
Players above 5k surely understimate what 3k looks like, but many in 3k indeed have less knowledge/mechanical skills than others, holding games down.
@@Hyperversum3 Of course, 3k isn't exceptional, yet they're still better than the majority of dota 2 players. We're very used to holding dota 2 play to a very, very high standard due to its competitive nature.
Even Rank 100 players will happily berate their rank 3000 teammates because they're simply not good enough to keep up. Which is an insane concept considering all of these players are far higher ranked than a 3k player. That rank 3000 teammate might still statistically be in the 1% of dota players, but still gets trashed as someone that doesn't know how to play, lol.
@@TwistedScarlett60 Well, in that sense you are totally correct, I just wanted to highlight that while most players may be in this bracket, the skill level varies a lot between them.
This can be said about other levels as well, but it's much less prominent. I have seen, during my climbing out of 3k, extremely competent players that just didn't bothered to rank up apparently, just as much as I have seen players that would require to have a -1k bracket exclusive for them.
Well that’s obvious most people who say 3k is bad are just edgy nerds trying to sound superior cuz they will never go pro anyways so they do that to make themself feel good. No one actually thinks 3k is bad
@@Hyperversum3 I matu once go pipe one game as pl and he didn’t show up to any fights
He didn’t adapt to the game so matu is trash 3k right? What’s genius you must be people are bad cuz they make mistakes you must be a dota god
6:38 the real icon of anti mage
Anti Mage IS a creep until he leaves jungle so yeah
"AM is a creep with blink ability"
Oh my goddess, it means im yet to achieve highest levels of stress and fear.
Bold of you to assume that you will get to 6k
@@pegres5339 hes gonna make it :)
@@pegres5339 you know how a graph works? It increases as mmr increases so 2k is less fearfull than a 3k
Can you tell me, how much day u spend time to reach to 1k mmr ? Hope u help me 😓
@@ximashi8283 i mean 1000 mmr is 50 games if you are pretty good for your rank you have like 55% win rate that means you get 1 more win than loss every 20 games so 50*20 is a 1000 games to increase mmr by 1k if you are just slightly better than average the thing is in 1000 games you will improve faster than your mmr
What annoys me the most at 3k is people trying 100times the same move hoping for another result. It doesnt work so they get very toxic. It is really hard to make the team do calm and strategic fights. It is a nightmare full of depressive lemmings dying and dying gain.
you sound much better than 3k players, then why are you playing with them? And if you are not 3k, then why get so surprised?
Repeating bad moves happens in low levels of EVERY game, not only Dota. They dont know what else they could do, simple as that :P
Sorry if i sound any aggressive, it just confuses me a lot when people trash talk their own bracket, because by logic you shouldnt be there (bad players also happen on enemy's team so its not a valid excuse in my opinion)
@@goosegay9044 there are many skills in dota. So player A might be much better than player B in one skill, and player B better than player A in another. Yet they are both 3k. This guy might be better at macro and mindset, yet weaker in other ways.
Yeah when they get annoyed they loose hope and start to feed
Did i ever tell you the definition of insanity?
Yeah and whats up with players that dont read map enemy miss still goes alone....
My Divine friends always say, "I miss Archon Offlaners"
that is pretty accurate, even in the immortal bracket
@@senyormamak3098 why?
@@railguncs probably because offlaners at the divine level are too hesitant to make plays
@@railguncs archon offlaners like getting blinks, pipes and crimsons and jump in to start teamfights. Divine offlaners are better laners but constantly cry for smokes or they won't go in, they hate taking risks
I am a divine offlaner, end up everygame with more than 15 deaths, more than 55% winrate. But when loose, I am the one to be blamed.
From TI winner to being bullied by a guy who lives with the homeless Sadge
Jenkins probably doesn't even exist in this chart
But .. im in 1k - i play once or twice a week and only play tauren chief, he go stomp
1k...? Lmao. I wonder what its like there
@@michaelaredo3546 It could be worse, I have a friend who had an MMR below 50 for a while, at some point he hit rock bottom to the point where his MMR couldn't even get lower.
@@michaelaredo3546 Now 3k MMR Legend 2 here. I've been there... It is not a happy place... The only way to get out is to be proactive (but not stupid) and to spam one hero, even into counters, and become good enough with them to turn the tides 7 times out of 10. Never re-rolled my MMR since then and I climbed to here and still getting higher so I'm quite happy with myself.
PS : Elder Titan is difficult to play but there's little to no bad games for him if you know how to adapt. He got me out of hell.
Spam your best carry hero, that's the fastest way to get out of 1k. I had been there for a year. Good luck
@@HigaaraEnd Or to play only with your friends and evade stupid teammates.
Jenkins actually predicted the overwatch update months or years ahead and went with dota psychology
Finally jenkins dota gave us a dota jenkins video
Edit:Why did you do Budok dirty like that
Because hes jealous 😂, he think he so good that hes wondering why budok won TI and he dont
@@munkush9287 damn a bulldog fangay here
So you're saying that i have the same game sense as 6k mmr but still stuck at 1k
No, he didnt' say that. You suck. Learn the game.
I think he under-estimated 6ks honestly, I'm 6k and even I would do what the 8k played did, its all about confidence, doesn't matter how deep you farm as long as you are aware of the stuff that kills you.
Degenerate Simp Imma just agree with you, some of my team don't know when to be defensive or when to be offensive, but today i just made a stupid decision when I didn't prepare money for buyback, which what i regret today
Yeah I am stuck at 900 mmr but my sense is of 8k mmr
What he means is that below 3K is not even worth mentioning because it's literally not on the graph. No skills. No sense. =))
Can't relate. 2K and I'm scared of my own shadow.
2k? Hahaha yeah I feel you, but I enjoy playing stupidly hard games where I usually can not win. Ironically, I almost reached legend with that before this pandemic happen preventing me from playing. I played with ancient and legend friends of mine and they let me play core and sometimes make me lane against ancient players in mid(I won in laning but lose the latter btw). I used axe in mid against timber saw, I was supposed to play offlane but my meepo teammate were countered by timber which is also in ancient. I win against him in mid and took several solo kills but what defeated us back then was his rotations and their team coordination(it's 5v5 btw)
Damn that intro brought me repressed memories.
This is super helpful to think about. I think thats why i lost yesterday. I was getting decent enough farm, but i was alternatimg between plating way to scared of the enemy smurf acct, and thinking "he needs to die" over and over, and I think I lost the coinflip every time
My mmr was 7.2 k 2 months back and watching your videos made me realize a lot more than I already knew. I'm positive to hit 10 k in next few months. Fingers crossed. Thanks for the awesome videos.
Any update bro?
"Leave a description" - Jenkins 2021
12:27
friends pretending to understand inside jokes is a bruh moment way above 9000
Plot twist: Jenkins have a 3k account, 6k and 8k account and he played like a paid actor xD
In the 3k bracket, the players are soo fearful and playing soo conservatively that we never are able to push t3/hg even if the enemy team has 2 carries dead or whatever the situation is allowing it. meaning all my games come out to a mind boggling 50+minute every single time no matter how well we snowballed. By then my awareness brings down my optimism because of how long I have to sit there not pushing, and I dont necessarily always want to be the team leader on mic telling everyone what to do. I've learned to just play every game for the long run and enjoy it sadly.
feel for you. 2 enemy dead we have aaegis. lc goes to triangle instead of pushing t3 and you go jungle for 1 minute as cm rather than having a discussion with people who cant even understand what the goal of the game
You have to keep in mind the return/comeback gold that the enemy can get if they kill of your heroes/allies even having all outside towers down
@@markmywords12u No bro you have to keep in mind that you cannot tell this concept two people over and over again
jenkins: trying to explain to us on how emotional aspects and understanding of the game can play a big role on your mmr.
me at 1 k: ok
Haven't played DOTA for 5 years now, but I've had success using your techniques in other moba games. Great content!
Great analysis skills. I like the way you put things together.
found this video in recommended, and while everyone wants to climb MMR here I am badly wanting to rank down, I'm immortal I peaked at 6.8k MMR when I used to enjoy high quality games, I was so tryhard back then but now I'm not. I wanna party with my friends but they are low MMR's. so now I'm just trying to get 100 hours on my smurf so I can play with them.
OG
Ti8 Final: Extremely defensive
Ti9 Final: Extremely aggressive
I had reached 4.7k MMR only to realize that people play the exact SAME way 3k ppl do. I mean this game should only be played with friends at this point and solo Q should be canceled entirely for the sake of people's mental health.
03:02 anti-mage build in my team.
Theres a fine line between bravery and stupidity - Juggernaut Einstein
you're dota videos give me motivation to keep playing!, i'm 2.5k mmr and the biggest frustration is the typical, i feel like my team mates let me down in games where i peform well.
Game state is the same: AM at 18 minutes no boots naked battle fury vs AM at 15 minutes Power Treads, Battle Fury and Yasha. 162 last hits vs 78
man this video is thew biggest jebait for noobs
as in he wants to farm in both of these games, not fight.
Don‘t forget to take a look at the score ... The 8k mmr Game was just going exceptionally well for him and his team was beating the crap out from the other. That means also that he can likely farm much easier and snowball. So the creep stats and item advantage had to be expected.
However, the 6k mmr game was much more difficult. They were at a losing streak and dire was pushing. That been said, his move wasn’t smart at all ...
3k here. Watch a lot of replays, videos and streams that have helped a lot in understanding particularly the pace of the game. My largest problem is how static the lanes are. Everyone worships their lane allocation like gospel. Furthermore, apparently winning your lane = getting kills. I spam a lot of underlord and know this isn't true - denying 3/4 of every creep wave and not caring about aggression has won me so many lanes and so many games because of how starved for NW their carry becomes into the midgame
I get the message,means 8k players goes into full RTZ mode.
Those intros alone are more than enough for me to watch every single one of your videos.
5head video love it :DD
what annoys me the most? more like what i'm still confused about after bein stuck at 2k forever as a mid player -
jenkins i LOVE a tip that you once gave me to pick heroes that have options, you even recently uploaded a video about it, and it does indeed make the game easier to play. but sometimes i find myself with this problem: how do i diagnose what kind of mid playstyle i need to employ in my current game: active vs passive? because it's 2k, the laning phase sometimes goes very strangely, and a late game comp that's weak early sometimes stomps the laning phase, and vice versa. so sometimes i expect the game to go a certain way based on the heroes picked, and it goes a completely different way - and now i'm stuck with the wrong item build and hero playstyle for the game. (for ex, let's say i've been playing a fighting, active ember spirit with drums/vessel + bkb, in an effort to make a ton of space for my carry to afk farm for 20 minutes and carry us later on, because i've determined that my carry is our win condition and can 1v5 the enemy team with enough farm since he is playing PL and hasn't been counterpicked, for example. but then 20 minutes later i see that he has no farm. so now i'm stuck 30 minutes in with the wrong item build and am unable to transition to a more carry-style ember since i'm lacking a farming item, etc.
a comment alone would be fantastic if this question doens't warrant a full video 🙏🥺
Dude put bulldog picture then change it to 3k mmr bracker, so smooth
Congrats on almost 100 MILLION subscribers, Jenkins Gaming! Keep up the good work, you should do a funny minecraft video next
Always unique videos on this channel.
Love it.
Most frustrating and annoying thing that happens at 6k MMR is being a support main and constantly having cores who just say "gg go end" even when the game is easily still winnable, but since I'm a support player and my core just gave up, I am just forced to take an L
And there's me, perfectly aggresive, perfectly deffensive, and being 1k
i live by singsing's words of NO FEAR NEVER FEAR
hence why I'm in 1k and i love it here
hesitation is defeat
@@okumi4502 i was going to say it x)
Everytime 5 enemies show on the map to gank me as an offlaner and my HC keeps farming jungle i die a little bit inside. Important content.
Jenkins my man.
Your videos make me want to play DOTA 2.
But then I play DOTA 2 and remember why I don't play so much.
So many games you think you are doing fine and then at minute 10 or 15 a flaming skeleton or a spirit jumps at you out of nowhere and deals your entire Health worth of damage in less time then a common fly is capable to react to visual stimulus (0.08 seconds for those wondering) and this juts continues to happen throughout the game.
The game is bassically lost but it continues to play for another 30 minutes because for some reason the enemy team doesn't push.
0:15 bulldogs pic on the left actually true KEKL
I am both aggressive and defensive but why I'm still crusader?
3K player from sea. Most annoying habit from my bracket is that no one tries to understand lost lanes, they will try to win losing lanes, they will gank mid with no smoke in daytime and soak EXP. however the worst is that they can only play with lead if we are losing everyone is jungling and even taking my farm as a carry or mid
I have high fear and low skill. When things get hairy, i stay in fountain or click that abandon button.
1.5k mmr here. Problem currently is feeling like my team will often play their own game regardless of whether Im feeding or doing well and getting the team to group or play our roles collectively is a nightmare. People also dont seem to want to communicate or listen when asked for ganks or to push, etc. . .
1:44 shit that was the truest statement I'd ever see
Jenkins, this one of your best videos to date! Congratz to the awesome content.
Snapping from hot or cold is what does or breaks a good carry player. This content is gold, keep it up.
You basically captured the essence of carry.
I guess it applies to more than just carry, anyway..
You can often solve the replay bug you are mentionning around 3m by setting the fog of war on the side of the player you are looking at (dire in this current situation)
Omg that bulldog dig. Fucking shots fired.
Jenkins channel is so underrated that its sad
I'm herald 3 and i get frustrated really when people things the game is over at 10min, and give up, or when folks don't take neutral items, dunno what that's about
You gotta get out of that rank man....
definitely agree on your advice at 10:30. I keep spamming broodmother against counter heroes at mid like LC axe Cent Magnus Sandking mid . i will end up solo killing them at laning . it just needs some practice and understanding. but i didnt spectate some players who plays brood because i cant see much games from it
Thanks for all the concepts Jenkins!
Bulldog's positioning on the graph... KEKW
I think better wording for the 6k AM's mistake is that he basically used up all his safe farm at once by playing too defensively. That farm will always be there. It's not a creep wave dying to another wave. The opportunity for the aggressive farm was there, but since he didn't take that opportunity while the enemy were dead, he's now forced to take the safe farm which is no longer existent since he exhausted it already.
I wonder if at some point Jenkins made a bet with a friend saying "There`s no way you can include this baby picture in every video "
I am at 3k and the most annyoing thing is toxicity - i dont care about misplays or whatever, but when ppl start grieving or flaming this really grinds my gears
amazing vid jenkins keep it up
4:25 you can see the offlaner (Mars) is taking AM's jungle, which is the safe farm at the moment, forcing AM to take the top lane farm which is the unsafe farm. Sad to see this happening in the 6k MMR bracket.
8:15 Wow, cool stuff! Nice analysis!
It took every single ounce of self control in jenkins to not flame that 3k mmr bfury stick am
Hello Jenkins ! Thanks alot for your guids. I play on supports. My mmr is 1700, and for a first time I started doing some real impact because of your videos.
Aspecial because of your Nature's Prophet build :D
4.2k mmr, i get immensely annoyed by position 5s not knowing they can actually kill people in the safe lane and that they never notice "kill potentials"
I haven't played All Pick or Ranked in 4 years since Turbo came out. wish there was a 20min ranked mode, I'd go back again if there was.
Dude you are making realy good guides ... just thank you
From my experiences with 3k in NA at the very least, I would say that 3k players are only aggressive on a micro scale. In any given moment they tend to be pretty aggressive, but in terms of macro play they are some of the most passive players you will find. Your typical 3k player has learned that farm good, death bad, and so spends every possible moment farming their own jungle, regardless of the game state.
was happy to see myself in this video :) was enigma in 8k am clip AMA
that is true, im 6k and im pretty much scared to do anything, good thing i learned next step 8k
Great video as always
Very informative Thanks Jenkins
I've been thinking about this theory you've presented for years.... I find it so true.
I'm gonna keep sharing your videos, Jenkins. Sub count to the moon!
Love this Jenkins, thank you so much!
Lmfao at 0:18, the video barely even started bulldog got called out..
Amazing content, this is a pro-level stuff. Thanks Jen.
The thumbnail is on point.
hahaha that intro is life love ur vids bro
Always a like and comment for my fav dota content creator. 3K NA reporting in!
I'm 6k and I play aggressively like a 3k. I'll run in and feed while my allies run out.
that happens to me at mostly at 6k. the problem is when you start feeding like that 0-4 average per games. these players think you either bought account or boosted.
4.7k til Jenkin's silver play button! Grats in advance man.
In 2k everybody thinks they deserve to be 6k so no one ever admits they're 2k and you NEVER LEAVE
SEA SERVER is like another universe to compare to other rank games in dota
No, it's not. The problem is in you.
Nvm
@@SarcaZmOn I've played on different servers living in different countries. SEA is incredibly different from, and far worse in toxicity than any other server.
I feel like this is so true, I am 6k (almost 7k) and I am always indecisive of many things, while I feel like top players just go yolo and don't care and somehow it works for them.
I also remember that when I was a noob I just wanted to fight all the time and I thought the game was simply about getting kills to get stronger.
This "fear" is honestly not something you can really work on, it just goes away as you said by just being better
PS: Still waiting for your onlyfans
Yeah this is true for 6k player like me..I play support but when i had to play carry, im too scared to make a yolo move like top carry players do in my bracket.. My main role is pos 5 so i always see those really high rank carries in SEA are not afraid to make some yolo moves and didnt get punish Whenever i play core and make some stupid yolo shit, i always get punished so hard.. lmao
3k I think knowing what to do in a losing game but not lost. The come back
Also what to do when winning what are objectives when wining.
This is all facts. My invoker is currently lvl 29 and I always first picked his ass to face counters. Learning to play against the counters and even dominate once you understand their limitations is life-changing for your gameplay.
Yup i have a friend who is 3k mmr and all he thinks about is fight fight fight clash clash clash outplay laning stage outplay team clash no matter the draft
12:27 "leave a description"
lol
Do it! Just do it!
Except if it's ranked game, then I'll find you and...
As a 5k+ player I agree with this assessment. As a carry player I tend to play it too safe when the game is hanging by a thread.
dude you are great you teach us so much
The problem is, i play defensive when i have to be aggressive and vice versa
All of us that have watched your live stream know what you want to do with the subscriber badge Jenkins 😏
1:44 that's me right there
i feel like this could not be more accurate, no one teachs applied agresion
and then there is me who has skill like 1k and fear like 6k player
1:54 Wtf is that bro! your childhood photo animated?
Then there's me.
Fear of a 6k mmr and a skill level of a 1k mmr
Nice video, Jenkins! :)
Damn why you gotta do Bulldong like that lmaoooo