Yeah you are 100% right! I actually had another commenter misinterpret what I meant, so I should have made it clearer in the video. Also thank you so much for saying that!
Talarhah would be the verb. Talarhal is noun meaning 'gratitude, appreciation'. Usage is talarhal uzuuleh - to show gratitude. Uzuuleh meaning to show something.
@@Fnatic2010 Yes I should have made it clear in the video. When I translated "Talahal" as "thanks", I meant it in the sense of the noun meaning "gratitude," not the expression. Sorry about any confusion I may have caused :/.
@@fungmatkhan1998 He's not 100% correct. Peripheral dialects in China do use the term "talarhalaa" for "Thank you", and it seems to be the original & archaic expression. The term "bayarlaa" is said to be a coined after Tibetan Buddhism influence and has become prevalent only lately in places outside of Mongolia.
I'll tell you exactly why I'm here. About 20 years ago I was in a dorm room during my exchange in Japan full of 4-5 Mongolian guys conversing. I was sitting just... listening. My jaw dropped. The most satanic language I've ever heard in my life, it truly sounded diabolical. I thought zOMG this would be the greatest death metal lyrics language ever created. I need to learn it and become a rock star who sings almost only in Mongolian.
For me, the most challenging part is differentiating between ө/өө and у/уу. Folks on TH-cam demonstrate them one way, and it appears distinct enough, but then i ask a local to say words like 30 and 40, and i'm hearing the same vowel. like what the hell.
I've heard /g~ɢ/ pronounced as ɣ~ʁ in all back-vowel environments from a number of Outer Mongolian speakers. I'm only a beginner but I haven't found any words that are distinguished on /g/ vs /ɢ/, but /ɢ/ (and by extension ʁ) seem to just be allophones
Great question, I did talk about this a bit in the video, but it may not have been very clear. /ɢ/ is only destinguished from /g/ in the coda position of words with back vowels. This is indicated in writing by having a silent vowel follow the "г" to indicate it is pronounced as /ɢ/ instead of /g/ which is the default pronunciation of /g/ in the coda position. Compare the pronunciation of the word "бага" /paɢ/ with "баг" /pag/. As you can see these, words differ only by the pronunciation of the final consonant, meaning they are phonemes, and not just allophones. One small thing to note, in the video I write бага and баг as being pronounced [paq] and [pak] respectively. This is just the phonemic realization of those two sounds. They tend to be devoiced word finally. Hope that helps! Let me know if you have any more questions!
Mongolian is like evil Kalmyk 'cause in Kalmyk it's the other way around: a lot of consonants in a row are written but there are vowels between them that are not written lol
You're learning kalmyk? Most kalmyks don't even know it at a basic level. And most won't even study it; just english if they want to know a second language sad
Great video! What advice do you have for someone who wants to learn to speak Mongolian accurately but has little to no linguistic background? Талархал!
Great question! Honestly, the landscape for Mongolian resources isn't the best because of how few people are interested in it (hence why I thought I'd make a video trynna bring awareness). The best thing I can recommend is getting a textbook, there are a few for beginners out there. The ones I remember starting with were called "Modern Mongolian" by John Gaunt, and "Colloquial Mongolian" by Alan J. K. Sanders. I don't remember them requiring too much linguistic knowledge but I could be wrong. You can also watch a channel called "Mongolian Language\ Nomiin Ger School" here on youtube, they provide a lot of good introductory stuff, though like I said before resources are scarce so you will probably have to end up mixing and matching a bit to get the best effect. Also, I'm curious, how did you find the vid if you have little to no linguist background? I imagine it might have been a bit confusing 😅. Oh and I should have mentioned in the vid, the more common way to say "thank you" is "баярлалаа" (bayarlalaa), literally: I was recently happy.
Thanks for the advice! I've actually been living in Mongolia for a little over a year, so I'm at a basic conversational level already. The two issues I have right now are pronunciation and discerning sounds (besides all the other challenges of learning a language). Basically people can't understand me and I can't understand them, even when I know all the words they're using if I see it written down. Hence watching your video! You're right it was confusing, but I could tell you were talking about the most difficult parts of Mongolian pronunciation (the different g's, how vowels sound, etc). My question after watching it was "how do you learn to pronounce/discern all those weird sounds?" And thanks for the resource tips. That is another challenge: there are beginner resources available, but there is nothing to help make the leap to advanced listening/speaking. I hope you keep making videos!
@@gregorygreif5058 Oh, my apologies, I should not have assumed. To be honest, if it is pure pronunciation you are looking for, even linguistics knowledge isn't very helpful. I kinda tried to show this in the vid, but oftentimes how linguists describe a language and how it is actually pronounced are two very different things. In addition, just knowing that the Mongolian "г" and "х" are often pronounced with the uvula instead of the soft palate doesn't really really help, speaking from experience here. Honestly, I don't think there is much you can do apart from just practice listening to stuff, trying to discern what they are saying, and trying to repeat it. As you said there aren't a lot of materials for intermediate to advance listening so you'll probably have to rely on either shows aimed at kids or like I said they are a few channels on youtube that offer SOME beginner's materials. I mentioned Nomiin Ger before, the other one you can look up is Easy Languages, they have a few Mongolian vids that are a bit harder, but they all have subtitles. Finally, if it's just the "г" and "х" sounds you have trouble with you can try looking them up individually. Wikipedia has pages on them both that contain audio files of them being pronounced. The weird "г" sound is called a "Voiced Uvular Plosive" and the two "х" sounds are called a "voiceless velar fricative" (for words with front/feminine/tense vowels) and the other is a "Voiceless uvular fricative" (for words with back/masculine/lax vowel). Hope that helps!
@@gregorygreif5058 Lingthusiasm had an excellent episode that explained to me why I was having the exact same issue with Hindi and it's voiced aspirated stop consonants. Here's the link, fascinating stuff. th-cam.com/video/9l-73oOgbmo/w-d-xo.html
2:08 I don't know anything about Mongolian historical linguistics but this makes perfect sense to me. Languages lose /p/ decently often with a /p/ > /ɸ~f/ > /h/ sound change decently often and from anecdotal experience for languages that have a /p/ /pʰ/ distinction, the aspirated one is the one that lenites, such as my dialect of Punjabi where we have a complete /pʰ/ > /f/ sound change (with the only other aspirate affected is /tʃʰ/ which goes to /ʃ/ for me). Additionally if we look at a classic example of missing labials, the Iroquoian language, I heard from someone once that apparently the current idea within Macro Siouan is that Proto Siouan *p corresponds to Proto Iroquoian *h. Now I didn't get any paper names from this or anything it was just a conversation but I've been taking Mohawk classes and have looked into Proto Iroquoian on its own quite a bit and this definitely makes sense to me since Mohawk /h/ seems to pattern a like a stop, such as often being in /s-/ clusters (like the word for 8 sha'té:kon [shɐʔ.ˈtéː.ɡũ]) which from my understanding /sh/ is not an especially common cluster. Anyways sorry if this comment got a bit long but just wanted to say yeah this theory makes sense to me and I like it.
I really want to learn Mongolian fluently and become a Buddhist monk in Mongolia when I’m a lot older. At first, I was trying to use the phonology rules to pronounce it correctly, but then I realised that simply speeding through vowels and making it sound as natural as possible was the key. The diphtongs are a real problem, really. Like I really needed a phonetic transcription in order to figure out үй [ʉe̯] and уй [ʊe̯], while I still have no idea what ой [ɞe̯] is supposed to mean. Luckily enough, the Cyrillic script is quite straight forward, but the Mongol Bichig is a nightmare when trying to read anything.
@@St.Sogofhedgehogs Well, all I said is based on the Wimipedia article. They say ай - [æe̯] эй - [e] ой - [ɞe̯] уй - [ʊe̯] үй - [ʉe̯] But I’m not going to argue if you speak Mongolian natively.
@@eduardoo31 Even if you don't believe in a common ancestry between them, it's still very much likely that these languages interacted with eachother (directly or indirectly) as they did with northern Tungusic languages.
@@Sonilotos highly likely? Come on, be serious hahaha. And even if speakers did interact with each other thousands of years ago, that is not the same as saying they are related. Etruscans and latins interacted with each other much more recently and yet their languages were completely unrelated
Аutistiс linguisticstubers are allergic to pronouncing loanwords in a comprehensible way relative to the language they're speaking. They think it's more "correct".
That's such a nice a posteriori conlang!
Now, where'd you hid the actual mongolian language?
As a Russian, Mongolian language written looks like a perfect transcription for their throat singing
Hey, Talarkhal is more like "to thank", the actual word for thank you is Bayarlalaa. Your accent is very good by the way
Yeah you are 100% right! I actually had another commenter misinterpret what I meant, so I should have made it clearer in the video. Also thank you so much for saying that!
Talarhah would be the verb. Talarhal is noun meaning 'gratitude, appreciation'.
Usage is talarhal uzuuleh - to show gratitude. Uzuuleh meaning to show something.
@@Fnatic2010 Yes I should have made it clear in the video. When I translated "Talahal" as "thanks", I meant it in the sense of the noun meaning "gratitude," not the expression. Sorry about any confusion I may have caused :/.
@@fungmatkhan1998 He's not 100% correct. Peripheral dialects in China do use the term "talarhalaa" for "Thank you", and it seems to be the original & archaic expression. The term "bayarlaa" is said to be a coined after Tibetan Buddhism influence and has become prevalent only lately in places outside of Mongolia.
I'll tell you exactly why I'm here. About 20 years ago I was in a dorm room during my exchange in Japan full of 4-5 Mongolian guys conversing. I was sitting just... listening. My jaw dropped. The most satanic language I've ever heard in my life, it truly sounded diabolical. I thought zOMG this would be the greatest death metal lyrics language ever created. I need to learn it and become a rock star who sings almost only in Mongolian.
Thank you for telling us exactly why you’re here.
For me, the most challenging part is differentiating between ө/өө and у/уу. Folks on TH-cam demonstrate them one way, and it appears distinct enough, but then i ask a local to say words like 30 and 40, and i'm hearing the same vowel. like what the hell.
I've always said it with the same vowel for my entire life
idk, man. I've tried pronouncing them right now and they sound very distinctly different.
ө is /ɵ/ and y is /ʊ~o/ ,they're downright different.
Loved finally having an explanation for parts of Mongolian I didn't understand, I would love for you to do more.
I've heard /g~ɢ/ pronounced as ɣ~ʁ in all back-vowel environments from a number of Outer Mongolian speakers. I'm only a beginner but I haven't found any words that are distinguished on /g/ vs /ɢ/, but /ɢ/ (and by extension ʁ) seem to just be allophones
Great question, I did talk about this a bit in the video, but it may not have been very clear. /ɢ/ is only destinguished from /g/ in the coda position of words with back vowels. This is indicated in writing by having a silent vowel follow the "г" to indicate it is pronounced as /ɢ/ instead of /g/ which is the default pronunciation of /g/ in the coda position. Compare the pronunciation of the word "бага" /paɢ/ with "баг" /pag/. As you can see these, words differ only by the pronunciation of the final consonant, meaning they are phonemes, and not just allophones.
One small thing to note, in the video I write бага and баг as being pronounced [paq] and [pak] respectively. This is just the phonemic realization of those two sounds. They tend to be devoiced word finally.
Hope that helps! Let me know if you have any more questions!
Mongolian is like evil Kalmyk 'cause in Kalmyk it's the other way around: a lot of consonants in a row are written but there are vowels between them that are not written lol
You're learning kalmyk? Most kalmyks don't even know it at a basic level. And most won't even study it; just english if they want to know a second language sad
omg likee, 11/10 intro, only took 6 seconds to sub. you're the man
not me just likee, subsequently realizing that this channel died threeandahalf years ago.... life is pain
I feel blessed that my TH-cam homepage recommended this gem of a vid!! So basically there’s some vowel harmony going on in Mongolian, right?
Yes, Mongolian has vowel harmony like its neighbor Turkic languages.
Great video! What advice do you have for someone who wants to learn to speak Mongolian accurately but has little to no linguistic background? Талархал!
Great question! Honestly, the landscape for Mongolian resources isn't the best because of how few people are interested in it (hence why I thought I'd make a video trynna bring awareness). The best thing I can recommend is getting a textbook, there are a few for beginners out there. The ones I remember starting with were called "Modern Mongolian" by John Gaunt, and "Colloquial Mongolian" by Alan J. K. Sanders. I don't remember them requiring too much linguistic knowledge but I could be wrong. You can also watch a channel called "Mongolian Language\ Nomiin Ger School" here on youtube, they provide a lot of good introductory stuff, though like I said before resources are scarce so you will probably have to end up mixing and matching a bit to get the best effect. Also, I'm curious, how did you find the vid if you have little to no linguist background? I imagine it might have been a bit confusing 😅.
Oh and I should have mentioned in the vid, the more common way to say "thank you" is "баярлалаа" (bayarlalaa), literally: I was recently happy.
Thanks for the advice! I've actually been living in Mongolia for a little over a year, so I'm at a basic conversational level already. The two issues I have right now are pronunciation and discerning sounds (besides all the other challenges of learning a language). Basically people can't understand me and I can't understand them, even when I know all the words they're using if I see it written down.
Hence watching your video! You're right it was confusing, but I could tell you were talking about the most difficult parts of Mongolian pronunciation (the different g's, how vowels sound, etc). My question after watching it was "how do you learn to pronounce/discern all those weird sounds?"
And thanks for the resource tips. That is another challenge: there are beginner resources available, but there is nothing to help make the leap to advanced listening/speaking.
I hope you keep making videos!
@@gregorygreif5058 Oh, my apologies, I should not have assumed. To be honest, if it is pure pronunciation you are looking for, even linguistics knowledge isn't very helpful. I kinda tried to show this in the vid, but oftentimes how linguists describe a language and how it is actually pronounced are two very different things. In addition, just knowing that the Mongolian "г" and "х" are often pronounced with the uvula instead of the soft palate doesn't really really help, speaking from experience here. Honestly, I don't think there is much you can do apart from just practice listening to stuff, trying to discern what they are saying, and trying to repeat it. As you said there aren't a lot of materials for intermediate to advance listening so you'll probably have to rely on either shows aimed at kids or like I said they are a few channels on youtube that offer SOME beginner's materials. I mentioned Nomiin Ger before, the other one you can look up is Easy Languages, they have a few Mongolian vids that are a bit harder, but they all have subtitles. Finally, if it's just the "г" and "х" sounds you have trouble with you can try looking them up individually. Wikipedia has pages on them both that contain audio files of them being pronounced. The weird "г" sound is called a "Voiced Uvular Plosive" and the two "х" sounds are called a "voiceless velar fricative" (for words with front/feminine/tense vowels) and the other is a "Voiceless uvular fricative" (for words with back/masculine/lax vowel). Hope that helps!
@@gregorygreif5058 Lingthusiasm had an excellent episode that explained to me why I was having the exact same issue with Hindi and it's voiced aspirated stop consonants. Here's the link, fascinating stuff. th-cam.com/video/9l-73oOgbmo/w-d-xo.html
Clear, and informative. Thank you!
No prob man, glad you enjoyed!
Why need vowels, just have a consonant-only language and insert epenthetic vowels to break up the clusters🤔
2:08 I don't know anything about Mongolian historical linguistics but this makes perfect sense to me. Languages lose /p/ decently often with a /p/ > /ɸ~f/ > /h/ sound change decently often and from anecdotal experience for languages that have a /p/ /pʰ/ distinction, the aspirated one is the one that lenites, such as my dialect of Punjabi where we have a complete /pʰ/ > /f/ sound change (with the only other aspirate affected is /tʃʰ/ which goes to /ʃ/ for me).
Additionally if we look at a classic example of missing labials, the Iroquoian language, I heard from someone once that apparently the current idea within Macro Siouan is that Proto Siouan *p corresponds to Proto Iroquoian *h. Now I didn't get any paper names from this or anything it was just a conversation but I've been taking Mohawk classes and have looked into Proto Iroquoian on its own quite a bit and this definitely makes sense to me since Mohawk /h/ seems to pattern a like a stop, such as often being in /s-/ clusters (like the word for 8 sha'té:kon [shɐʔ.ˈtéː.ɡũ]) which from my understanding /sh/ is not an especially common cluster.
Anyways sorry if this comment got a bit long but just wanted to say yeah this theory makes sense to me and I like it.
Also just finished the video and thought that was pretty cool, thanks 🙏🏽
don't forget to submit it this year!
I really want to learn Mongolian fluently and become a Buddhist monk in Mongolia when I’m a lot older. At first, I was trying to use the phonology rules to pronounce it correctly, but then I realised that simply speeding through vowels and making it sound as natural as possible was the key. The diphtongs are a real problem, really. Like I really needed a phonetic transcription in order to figure out үй [ʉe̯] and уй [ʊe̯], while I still have no idea what ой [ɞe̯] is supposed to mean. Luckily enough, the Cyrillic script is quite straight forward, but the Mongol Bichig is a nightmare when trying to read anything.
In my pronunciation it's [æ] for ай, [œ̈] for ой and [ʉ̟] for үй and уй.
@@St.Sogofhedgehogs Well, all I said is based on the Wimipedia article. They say
ай - [æe̯]
эй - [e]
ой - [ɞe̯]
уй - [ʊe̯]
үй - [ʉe̯]
But I’m not going to argue if you speak Mongolian natively.
As soon as you got to the consonants part I was like: hey is this inspired by jan Misali
The best feature of Mongolian is the ɮ. ɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮ
that's the feature of Khalkha innovation only, its not in other dialects.
Part 2 please :3
This language sounds like it was made by Stitch's people
Did you meant to say "allophones" as 3:30?
Maybe he meant "Alphonse"?
Чи Монгол хэл мэддэг уу? (Би Англий хүн, би монгол хэл сурдаг)
Is there any reason Mongolian sounds a little like Greenlandic? Is it just coincidence or are they distantly related?
not related.
@@NoCareBearsGivenlet's hear the from a Mongolian/Inuit/linguist and not a random replier with a Chinese username, shall we?
@@Sonilotos No need to be a linguist to state that mongolian and greenlandic (an eskimo-aleut language) are not related
@@eduardoo31 Even if you don't believe in a common ancestry between them, it's still very much likely that these languages interacted with eachother (directly or indirectly) as they did with northern Tungusic languages.
@@Sonilotos highly likely? Come on, be serious hahaha. And even if speakers did interact with each other thousands of years ago, that is not the same as saying they are related. Etruscans and latins interacted with each other much more recently and yet their languages were completely unrelated
Are you a native Mongolian? Fungmat Khan
no, 5:36
6:10 do NOT compare Mongolian to Georgian bro
now, Nuxalk to Georgian...
The Khalkha dialect is too innovative comparing to others
You sound like Stitch at the end.
1:13, 1:11, 1:12
Мьянмар хэлээс хялбар хэвээр байна
The only weird thing is the obnoxious presenter.
Аutistiс linguisticstubers are allergic to pronouncing loanwords in a comprehensible way relative to the language they're speaking. They think it's more "correct".
2:53 Blue is 'kék' in Hungarian, it's a cognate.
No, altaic was disproven
Unless it’s a borrowing
@@dolphingoreeaccount7395 It's a borrowing. Maybe 'cognate' is not the best word.
@@gabor6259 ah ok
Thanks for explaining