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Tibetan vs Mongolian - The Hardest Spelling
th-cam.com/video/D57_YAz5KAw/w-d-xo.html - NativLang Response, The Hardest Language To Spell
Josh from NativLang claims that Tibetan has the hardest spelling on earth, well I'm here to say, if Tibetan is the current reigning champ then I think Mongolian has a good chance at taking the crown!
Note: I use a lot of words like "worst" and "abysmal" in this video. I just want to let everyone know I love both these languages and having "terrible" spelling just adds to the uniqueness of them. I mean nothing by it. Cheers!
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th-cam.com/video/Dfhqm6CXZS4/w-d-xo.html - Tibetan vs Mongolian, The Hardest Spelling Some corrections and responses to Nativlang's video about why Tibetan spelling is so difficult. Note: I love NativLang's videos, and this one he made about Tibetan is no exception. I just wanted to add a few things to the discussion and set a few things straight. Cheers!
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Just an overview of some of the interesting features of the Tibetan Language.
Mongolian's Weird Phonology ExplainedMongolian's Weird Phonology Explained
Mongolian's Weird Phonology Explained
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Just a few fun points bout the Mongolian language's phonology explained.

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  • @gabor6259
    @gabor6259 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    2:53 Blue is 'kék' in Hungarian, it's a cognate.

  • @sandybeach95
    @sandybeach95 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I fucking love channels like this. I dunno where you've been for the past three years but plz make more videos about obscure Asian languages and their phonology

  • @speedwagon1824
    @speedwagon1824 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Make another video

  • @MrRhombus
    @MrRhombus หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:21 When this happens I call them “split diphthongs” because they’re basically diphthongs with the ending consonant written in the middle I also forgot if that’s their official name

  • @MrRhombus
    @MrRhombus หลายเดือนก่อน

    Part 2 please :3

  • @Felixxxxxxxxx
    @Felixxxxxxxxx หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember reading that Mongolia wants to replace the Cyrillic script with their traditional script. Is this what they will replace Cyrillic with? and if yes do you know if they are planning on keeping these spelling rules?

  • @parasitius
    @parasitius หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'll tell you exactly why I'm here. About 20 years ago I was in a dorm room during my exchange in Japan full of 4-5 Mongolian guys conversing. I was sitting just... listening. My jaw dropped. The most satanic language I've ever heard in my life, it truly sounded diabolical. I thought zOMG this would be the greatest death metal lyrics language ever created. I need to learn it and become a rock star who sings almost only in Mongolian.

  • @topazbutterfly1853
    @topazbutterfly1853 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really want to learn Mongolian fluently and become a Buddhist monk in Mongolia when I’m a lot older. At first, I was trying to use the phonology rules to pronounce it correctly, but then I realised that simply speeding through vowels and making it sound as natural as possible was the key. The diphtongs are a real problem, really. Like I really needed a phonetic transcription in order to figure out үй [ʉe̯] and уй [ʊe̯], while I still have no idea what ой [ɞe̯] is supposed to mean. Luckily enough, the Cyrillic script is quite straight forward, but the Mongol Bichig is a nightmare when trying to read anything.

    • @St.Sogofhedgehogs
      @St.Sogofhedgehogs 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In my pronunciation it's [æ] for ай, [œ̈] for ой and [ʉ̟] for үй and уй.

    • @topazbutterfly1853
      @topazbutterfly1853 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@St.Sogofhedgehogs Well, all I said is based on the Wimipedia article. They say ай - [æe̯] эй - [e] ой - [ɞe̯] уй - [ʊe̯] үй - [ʉe̯] But I’m not going to argue if you speak Mongolian natively.

  • @equilibrum999
    @equilibrum999 หลายเดือนก่อน

    བོད ཡིཁ རུཨོ ༂ བདོས །། i used spaces instead of tshegs caus they just a bad idea and || is divided caus lettters too smal, +the 'i with diacrit and : is here cuz it the closest thing to look like : in tibetan.

  • @topazbutterfly1853
    @topazbutterfly1853 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m studying Mongolian and I want to become fluent one day. When I heard the goverment of Mongolia plans to reintroduce the traditional script, I tried to learn it, especially because ot looks so pretty! But after seeing the баярлалаа (bayarlalaa) is spelled ba-yar-la-lu-gu, I got war flashbacks from when we had ro memorise English spellings in Primary School. For now, I’ll just stick to the Cyrillic. If anything, I can relearn how to write after becoming at least a bit more fluent in the language.

  • @user-kz9th3sf3l
    @user-kz9th3sf3l หลายเดือนก่อน

    The hardness of mongolian traditional script is also its beauty.

  • @miletic.
    @miletic. หลายเดือนก่อน

    come back bro

  • @ExzaktVid
    @ExzaktVid 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Imagine you use the wrong volition form and accidentally reveal that you did push that guy off the building on purpose

  • @Rhythm412
    @Rhythm412 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Also note that Thonmi Sambhota created the Tibetan script for Tibetan Buddhism to translate many Sanskrit texts to Tibetan. That's why there are many similarities between Tibetan and Sanskrit sounds. Good video anyway!

  • @taimunozhan
    @taimunozhan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'll still go with late 19th century Japanese, which combined a larger number of Han logograms (Kanji, many of which had variant forms that were used interchangeably and most of which have multiple pronunciations depending on the context) with a non-phonemic orthography for the Kana syllabaries (Katakana and Hiragana, which also had the non-standardized variants now known as Hentaigana). That period was also the high point of Ateji, using Kanji more or less phonetically (and often introducing even more irregularities) for loanwords.

  • @yimveerasak3543
    @yimveerasak3543 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tibetan is crazy. I tried to learn it since 5 years ago and i still cant master the spellingg 😢

  • @Matt-jc2ml
    @Matt-jc2ml 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about English?

  • @Swooper86
    @Swooper86 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The section on volition was terrible - I still have no idea what volition even is, much less how it functions in Tibetan or how it connects to evidentiality (which, by the way, I only know what is from other sources, your video did not explain that either), you just rattled off some examples that a casual viewer has no chance of making sense of.

    • @wikiPika
      @wikiPika 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I disagree. This is what he said on volition: "Volition represents whether a person intended to do it or not" This made sense to me: I jumped (and wanted to) vs. I jumped (because something startled me, not of my own will) or I spilled the secret (and I meant to do it) vs. I spilled the secret (oops!)

  • @Alphabetical_Dice
    @Alphabetical_Dice 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To be honest, this doesn't seem too bad. Mongolian is a kind of a combination of Arabic and hebrew but turned by 90°. It's like Arabic because all letters have 2 or 3 forms and it's like hebrew because many letters have various pronunciations. Like ב and בּ⁠‎ or פ‎ and פּ⁠‎ (the dots are never actually written + in ancient almost all letters had a variant with dots that actually sounded different, not just bet, kaf and pey). So regarding this, maybe tibetan is worse

  • @jivkoyanchev1998
    @jivkoyanchev1998 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the excuse "but English has that," "but Hangul has that" aren't really valid since technically speaking, every language has some annoying parts about its script. I do think that tibetan still remains one of the hardest languages to spell and read.

    • @conlangknow8787
      @conlangknow8787 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah imagine if English did what Tibetan does "like English or hangul" imagine "hdjthæstdjs hhdcwidchegekkd jjksjfloxkskn jskskoféuhlypeaafgd jdjofécndný hsjsjthõhsjsk aghahslæcë hfjdrghüdhg" as "the quick fox jumped over the lazy dog"... Where do you even begin? What the hell am I reading???

    • @equilibrum999
      @equilibrum999 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the most annoying thing in tibetan is these tshegs ' marks in middle of a word so that it looks like it is a dot . like couldnt they use space?

    • @conlangknow8787
      @conlangknow8787 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@equilibrum999 nah

  • @anticosmopolitan
    @anticosmopolitan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It still wouldn't have hurt to refer to Mongolian's traditional spelling profanity-free.

  • @Seagull0011
    @Seagull0011 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The only weird thing is the obnoxious presenter.

    • @bluerinako
      @bluerinako หลายเดือนก่อน

      Аutistiс linguisticstubers are allergic to pronouncing loanwords in a comprehensible way relative to the language they're speaking. They think it's more "correct".

  • @gargamel3478
    @gargamel3478 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are the first youtuber I've seen to properly pronounce palatal and retroflex fricatives/affricates. Nice.

  • @gargamel3478
    @gargamel3478 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The best feature of Mongolian is the ɮ. ɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮɮ

  • @astrOtuba
    @astrOtuba 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great videos! I hope there will be _next time_

  • @shadowxthevampiressofficial
    @shadowxthevampiressofficial 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This language sounds like it was made by Stitch's people

  • @RogerRamos1993
    @RogerRamos1993 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good that I've been able to contain my language obsession somewhat and become very aware of my mortality. When I see a video like that, I think "not going to learn that". And now I'm ok with the idea of learning some languages to a conversational level while being illiterate. So far, only Latin alphabet to me, and I'll sure try to learn Kanji or devanagari when time comes, but if it gets too complicated, I might just drop them and solely enjoy the languages in their spoken forms.

  • @itsnihliz
    @itsnihliz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello, will you ever upload videos again?

  • @Pining_for_the_fjords
    @Pining_for_the_fjords 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there any reason Mongolian sounds a little like Greenlandic? Is it just coincidence or are they distantly related?

    • @NoCareBearsGiven
      @NoCareBearsGiven 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      not related.

    • @Solotocius
      @Solotocius หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@NoCareBearsGivenlet's hear the from a Mongolian/Inuit/linguist and not a random replier with a Chinese username, shall we?

  • @aidanmokalla7601
    @aidanmokalla7601 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did you meant to say "allophones" as 3:30?

    • @marcind-ec1de
      @marcind-ec1de 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe he meant "Alphonse"?

  • @abarette_
    @abarette_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    don't forget to submit it this year!

  • @bruhistantv9806
    @bruhistantv9806 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tibetan spelling is a beast in on itself. Now consider that at the time it was formalized, people actually spoke like that

  • @ChristianJiang
    @ChristianJiang 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I watched all your vids… When are you coming back?😢

  • @ChristianJiang
    @ChristianJiang 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel blessed that my TH-cam homepage recommended this gem of a vid!! So basically there’s some vowel harmony going on in Mongolian, right?

    • @N00bcrunch3r
      @N00bcrunch3r 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, Mongolian has vowel harmony like its neighbor Turkic languages.

  • @FairyCRat
    @FairyCRat 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your consonant and vowel charts segments remind me so much of jan Misali, I love it.

    • @penguinlim
      @penguinlim 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Tibetan consonants are..."

  • @thetjhproject
    @thetjhproject 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are you still seeing the comments

  • @christopherellis2663
    @christopherellis2663 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Don't forget Thai

  • @owenfarmer1588
    @owenfarmer1588 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i hope u come back some time

  • @Sky-ms2us
    @Sky-ms2us 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The hardness on the spelling of Tibetan is basically the same as the ones on French

    • @TheoEvian
      @TheoEvian 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Both are famously silly spelling systems. But English is one of the worst ones to be sure.

    • @Sky-ms2us
      @Sky-ms2us 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheoEvian I think French might be getting the prize here

    • @TheoEvian
      @TheoEvian 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sky-ms2us Sure, it is a personal prefference in matters like these. But have you considered pre-reform Japanese kana spelling? (歴史的仮名遣い) :D

    • @Sky-ms2us
      @Sky-ms2us 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheoEvian I can recognize some characters in common with Mandarin Chinese

    • @TheoEvian
      @TheoEvian 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sky-ms2us Eh, I just put it in there for clarity, basically before 1947 Japanese kana had a system with a bunch of silent letters where there was no unambiguous way to neither spell nor read some combinations of sounds and just generally sucked, but after the reform the spelling is really intuitive and it works very well for teaching the language too (but you still have the kanji which are total mess ofc). The difference the reform made alone is worth an honorable mention. An example: the word "today", pronounced /kyo:/ used to be spelled "ke-fu" :D

  • @Shareenear
    @Shareenear 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    *Hebrew has entered the chat*

  • @Shareenear
    @Shareenear 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mongolian is like evil Kalmyk 'cause in Kalmyk it's the other way around: a lot of consonants in a row are written but there are vowels between them that are not written lol

    • @Matt-jc2ml
      @Matt-jc2ml หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're learning kalmyk? Most kalmyks don't even know it at a basic level. And most won't even study it; just english if they want to know a second language sad

  • @ghostboi71
    @ghostboi71 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Algorithm brought me.

  • @kori228
    @kori228 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    huh, didn't realize Lhasa only had 2 tones

    • @amanoeki8926
      @amanoeki8926 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Actually Lhasa dialect has four tones: 55, 53, 13, 132 due to tone sandhi

  • @kori228
    @kori228 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    about the retroflexes, going by the Wikipedia page implies it varies between stop and affricate

  • @Koreley
    @Koreley 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's such a nice a posteriori conlang! Now, where'd you hid the actual mongolian language?

  • @georgedeng8646
    @georgedeng8646 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You sound like Stitch at the end.

  • @offp_anggakaruniawan
    @offp_anggakaruniawan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought it's just english and french, and japanese, and chinese, but there is also mongolian and tibetan (and other languages written in tibetan script, like dzongkha)?😊

  • @charlestorres9585
    @charlestorres9585 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tibetan case spellings are also annoying as hell, in particular because a spelling reform removed silent d's from the end of words, but retained the irregular spellings of attached case markers which were conditioned by those d's. In fact, case marker spellings are conditioned by a whole ton of rules.

  • @kadenvanciel9335
    @kadenvanciel9335 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder how Josh took this if he looked at it.

  • @spectator352
    @spectator352 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My god I thought I mispronounced it, thank god I kept my gut feeling on the retroflex, I’m currently learning Lhasa.