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- Which language has the worst spelling bees? This one.
Xidnaf claims Thai is "World's Most Complicated Writing System":
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In this video I tackle the claim that Thai is the world's hardest writing system. Sit back as I share what it's like to learn to write Tibetan, and I think you'll change your mind.
The Tibetan script is also an alphasyllabary that surrounds consonants. Tibetan also has tones to deal with. But Tibetan is much older and requires you to do some serious backflips to read and write its bizarre alphabet.
Besides... it just looks cool.
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“What is the least spoken language in the world”
Sign language
This is criminally underrated. XD
@@lamar6431 And stolen. You really never heard it ?
this cracked me up, lmao
@@mr.biscuits2160 Apparently TH-cam users seems to have some sort of part time job to criticise a copied comment
@@christoria full time*
Duolingo wants to know your location
Duo wants to hire him to teach the contributors how to spell in Tibetan.
Duolingo is horrible for learning languages. It’s like a “game”.
@@shep7544 Duolingo's audience is beginners, and I've found it very useful for learning French. Maybe it isn't great for languages with a different writing system, though.
BAEnito Mussolini I hate when people say this, I learned a lot of vocabulary from it in middle school. I used it to see if I wanted to continue French and eventually used Rosetta Stone. Some people can’t afford that though, Duolingo is good for being free.
Emmaiya That’s true. It’s about the best and more you could ask for a completely free app. It could be useful if you’re looking to travel/move to a country that has [insert language here] as a main language. But what I meant to say was it’s horrible to become fluent in a language.
That last pun was unforgivable, I feel tibetrayed.
But "betrayed" doesn't start with the sound that "Tibet" ends in...
@@sananton2821 Depending on the accent this can change
@@sananton2821 ti is silent, remember?
As a native speaker of Tibetan, I never realized that Tibetan spelling is such bizarre. When we were at school, we just followed the teacher and memorized those spellings. Yes, we memorize them rather than recall the letters through their sounds. We accepted it as normal to speak one way and write in another way.
English does this to a much lesser extent but remembered learning the spelling of words in elementary school
@@MysteriousFutureyes, with those "sight words" you basically just look at and memorize (was, have, been, etc.)
So would you consider Tibetan a difficult language to learn?
have many young tibetan speakers wanted to try to simplify the tibetan spelling system?
@@gabrielex3394yea as a Tibetan trying to learn it fluently it’s pretty hard especially because of the extra letters you add onto the main letter
me reads a word in tibetan: bgstpklprongkkcyk
tibetan: rong
😂
Interesting coincidence but Rong means train in Estonian. Just a fun fact
LMFAO
How it’s written *vs* How it’s pronounced
@@nzubechukwu pronounce Schweinepriester
Spelling? We don't have spelling in chinese, you write a thing and maybe the other guy knows how to pronounce it maybe not, who tf knows
Learning japanese right now, can relate
learning japanese also ... much fun... havnt gotten deep into kanji yet....... o.O lol @@jeannebouwman1970
@@jeannebouwman1970 i dont know why but your name sounds like it could be a real card at some point lmao
actually, no .we have Pingin(Putonghua,Mainland )Zhuin(Manderin,taiwan) jyutpin Cantonese Pinyin(Cantonese, Hongkong and Macau )
@@user-tw1dg9jr1m mandarin (mainland china) uses pinyin too
As a Tibetan speaker, thanks for explaining my pain very accurately. Reading and writing Tibetan is very difficult. It sure could use an update to make it simpler especially since the language could very well die soon, under attack from the Chinese government inside Tibet. If it were a bit easier to learn for new learners, that could ensure it’s survival, at least outside of Tibet. Thanks for a very well researched video, quite impressive, and your pronunciation is spot on.
We use Tibetan script to write Dzongkha our national language in Bhutan. I guess we are the only country that uses Tibetan script.
Isn't Tibetan an official language and used officially by the government? How is it at risk of dying?
@@gayvideos3808 Tibet has been under Chinese occupation for 70 years. Chinese government is doing everything to erase Tibetan identity, including enforcing policies to make the Tibetan language disappear. Outside Tibet, exile Tibetans are few in numbers and live in countries where Tibetan isn’t taught.
@@TruthShallPrevail4 according to the 1990 census there are 1.2 million speakers of standard tibetan
@@gayvideos3808 1) those data are too old
2) you are relying on official Chinese regime's data, which is not known to be the most reliable.
The reality is that the Chinese language and culture are being imposed on the minorities of China: Tibet, Sinkiang (Uyghur), Inner Mongolia...
I speak English, Tagalog, Spanish, and I'm learning Thai right now. I started with Thai script and everything else became less complicated to learn. ✨ It's so much fun to learn languages!
¿Cuánto Español tú comprendas?
Sawedeka
@@dickersoncharlie4961 Solo un poco Español. Porque me crecí escuchando filipino y inglés.
I hope I said that right. I'm only self studying. ✨
@@chis013 if you mean to write "only a little Spanish because I thought I sounding philipino and English" then yes it's pretty good. Only one mistake I can notice .
@@dickersoncharlie4961 Oh! I knew I had an error. I meant to say, "I grew up hearing." But thank you! ✨
And people complain about English having silent letters!
Thi-Antra Chirasarn аre u Thai?
Me: *laughs in Irish*
Me: laugh in การันต์
@@snorp6781 sorry for my english, in french the last letter is for the the feminim.
Petit (small) for boy
Petite (small) for girl
Gentil (kind) for boy
Gentille (kind) for girl
And some random word because why not.
@@invinsible1987 Does that mean if the speaker is male they don't say the last letter but if the speaker is female they use the last letter?
German: here is a map, go home
English: here is a compass, go home
Japanese: here is a map, go to Mars.
Tibetan: here is a geiger counter, go to the andromeda galaxy.
funny but to much tricky to be funny !
Underrated comment
esperanto: this is money, pay a taxi to go home
Tu jest mapa... Idźcieże do domu! 😆 (Kraków / Galicyan, Poland dialect)
@- king- ngl. It is that easy that it's is thought in Seventh grade in India.
Thank you for explaining our Tibetan language beautifully..🙏
I do feel proud I am Tibetan and had learned that awesome language
Well bro , i am Indian but I can read Tibetan language, i haven't even studied that script , it's just same but the pronunciation is not same
@@D__Ujjwal r u sure about that..
@@hehehhoho3130 just kidding bro, it looks same as devnagri used in india but its pronunciation is different
Sanskrit*@@eatshityoutube588
My mother tongue is Sinhala, majority spoken language in Sri Lanka. Sinhala is also coming from Sanskrit. The alphabet consists of 60 letters, 18 for vowels and 42 for consonants.
How much silent letters do you want?
French: yes.
At least with french it's pretty predicatable. It's usually just drop the last consonants and you're good. You shouldn't really be learning how to say words based off how they're written anyway because of this very reason.
Irish:sea
I’m French and holy, shit this got me rolling
French is pretty regular compared to this...
@A Libra I am a native Hebrew speaker, it doesn't have many, if any silent letters.
"So how difficult do you want this new language to be?"
"dbyesgs"
"Tibetan has (db)_(gs) for a syllable"
"So, Hebrew, how do you work syllables?"
"lyesz"
@@user-vm5wy9es2p We don't, We have letters to kinda "elongate" the vowels, And there is one of those letters that can be both o, u, v and w if you put two of them near eachother even though it might end up saying "vav" or saying "vu" or "wu" or "uv" and then there is that letter that can elongate i but also be the y in "day" and also be the y in "yes" and if you put two of those near eachother it can be "yay" or "yee" or "eey" or "ai" but unless it's for necessary purposes like spelling "vav" (Hook, Mostly used for clothe hanging hook), But you don't REALLY have to use them but that's the conventional way to spell it I know my language is terrible at being anywhere close to comprehensible help me
Its not a new language
And it's the last of those "s" you pronounce.
Random guy : "Aww it's not that bad. It's read as jék"
Them :Thai is hard to speak
Me: [ In Jisoo's voice] mai mee tang ka..
ไม่มีตังค่าาา
ไม่มีทางค่ะ
@lisa_rii Yup 😊
my blink self: ur broke?
@@keziasharlyn8389 😂😂
Fun fact: the first use of Thai language is pretty clear. There was a stone inscription that wrote “i just made a language let use it “ and we use it .(with inspiration and some letters from other language but unique grammar and vocab then we slowly modify the letters.)
Okay TH-cam, I watched it. You can stop now.
NootNoot fr bro
OdieTheGreat that thing happens to me a lot
So truuuueee
I'm assuming you dont understand the YT algorithm. If you watched this video then YT thinks you're interested in this kind of thing so will suggest more
@@DannyBPlays r/iamverysmart
Me as a tibetan who doesn’t know how to read tibetan:
👁👄👁
edit: forgot this comment existed and half of my yt notifs are from this comment
Do you speak Tibetan?
@@Eosinophyllis ✨yes✨
@@thatonegrainofrice1346 ooh cool have a nice day (i know how to write russian but not how to speak)
I know how to speak Chinese but I don’t know how to write/read .... but I haven’t spoken chinese for so long I think I forgot most of the words now oof
I know how to write and read Arabic but I don’t understand the meaning of the words/language at all
sometimes i think russian is a pretty hard language to learn for non-native speakers. and sometimes i watch videos like this.
Beautifully explained! Tibetan language sure is hard because spoken and written are completely different. I can read a full page in Tibetan script, and not understand 99% of what I had just read. I speak Tibetan every day, but spoken language sure is totally different from the written language.
One sound alone can be written in sooooo many different ways, and each would have its own meaning, and that's another reason my brain goes 🤯🤯🤯 when reading Tibetan language. Beautiful, hearty culture nonetheless. #FreeTibet🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I agree. Tibetan is a mind-boggling language, but the beauty of the culture easily makes up for it. #FreeTibet ☸️🙏🏻
@@PC_Simo Thank you kindly 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
China will never give independence to Tibet because of... Politics! Yes Politics, the shit we don't like.
ཚུམས་ཁྱོད་མཆུ་འི་ཆེད་དུ་སྐྱུག་བྲོ་པོ་བཟོ་བ་སྲིད་གཞུང་གཞན་དག་ཐ་ན་སྐྱག་རྫུན་ཁྱོད་ཀྱིས་བོད་སྐད། ？Don’t be that disgusting
How many letters would you like to make the sound "e"
Greek: *yes*
@H what's your language?
@@saymon4751 @+#7!37$!#(2!47"!"8$($(2(8$$(8#!#8*!3(_(_82($("!3(*?$($?{£[€÷]•{×€]`{•¥}}
@@saymon4751 𓅓𓆙𓀿𓂉𓀡𓂀
What are you talkin about? It can only be up to 2
@Pascal483 oh I thought he meant by the time like ει οι υι etc
Not joking, as a Thai I can't remember which letter to use in some sentences
edit 26/4/2021: I don't even know about this comment until now
as a russian spellin is standard except y has 2 glyphs
Wt.. then what if you forgot to write some letters during a test..? Oh My God
Dont want to suppose such situation
as a romanian, it happened to me too! we have some words like "ne-am" which means we did, and "neam" which means kindred/lineage/nation/ancestry, or "odata" and " o data" and they are the same(means once) but we cant use it like the same, they are different... fuck romanian language
spelling: kxncrbguwuueusnnfjjjehdwhejjwuwuhsdcduyeuysry
pronunciation: uwu
As an arab learning 3 language in school, i keep forgetting some words in arabic and replace them with french, german or English words
I was in Kangding (Tibetan region in Sichuan) for a week and tried to learn some of the language while I was there. Using what resources I found find online, I tried to start figuring out the writing system and then tried to text in Tibetan with a guy I met over there; he told me "Yeah, you're right, but you're wrong". Apparently I had written how the word would be pronounced if it was pronounced directly as it was written, but none of the letters I wrote were actually the correct ones -_-' After that I didn't have a lot of motivation to keep trying..
Obviously my experience is limited, but after teaching English spelling, I would say English deserves a place on the list. The amount of languages that have influenced English, along with archaic spellings, mean that there are always words we don't know how to spell. I still can't spell hors d'oerves(did I get it right?)...
No, but who can?
I can't spell the word sign often I had to look up the spelling of it
hors d'oeuvres, from French hors d'œuvres
What seems easy to me, however, is the difference between transitive and intransitive. I can't fathom why people say she lays down on the ground. Or she laid down on the ground yesterday. If there were a transitive of set, sit, stand I could easily handle it (the absence of them bothers me). I'm more irritated by the deficient words for "we" than the excess of them.
Black English?
I been done gone. What does that tell you? Nothing that need be expressed.
I'm willing to debate on the English verbs, as to whether they are fun or bleacchh.
"It will have been finished." Try explaining that one. Ha ha, isn't it precise? excellent?
Now go back to my earlier lines. Notice "as to whether". "bleacchh."
Combines stilted and slang.
And it's the most precise I could find to state my thoughts.
To be fair, “hors d’oeuvres” is dialectal at best, and may not be an English word at all. It’s synchronically French in almost every dialect, and so spelling it probably doesn’t count as English spelling.
This made me feel better about learning Japanese
Japanese sometimes pronounced not as it's written こんばんわ、here it's written as kon ban wa but pronounced as kom ban wa
Japanese is just as hard if not harder lol. You trippin
@@Zharas94 Well actually it's こんばんは (Konbanwa(/ha)) just like how it's こんにちは instead of こんにちわ (Konnichiwa), because here it's a particle, the particle は (ha) as a particle is pronounced wa.
and I would disagree, it is pronounced exactly how it's written. It's because everyone only associates ん with n when it changes pronunciation depending on what it's followed up with (we do this in English, like the word _think_ is not thin-keu, it's thing-keu). It changes into m when followed up with a bilabial consonant (b, p, m) so because it's followed up by b, kon becomes kom.
you said sometimes but no, it's always, it's a consistent rule, Senpai is pronounced Sempai, Kanpai is Kampai, it's why Tempura is not Tenpura.
Well I guess so though it also depends if you like Kanji or not.
@@alexfriedman2047 I get what he's saying. Kanji is super tedious but the benefit is that Japanese doesn't have silent letters. in Phonetic scripts you will get the pronunciation but it's a matter of whether you pronounce it right and if you know the word behind it, Kanji even without pronunciation, you will learn the meaning behind the characters. I guess it's up for debate.
Game show host: Ok, now spell the letter “s”
Contestant: “s”
Game show host: Incorrect, the actual spelling is “kshsjdfyeo”
Nicolaus Volentius
it’s a joke.
Nicolaus Volentius
It can work, it just depends on who they’re telling the joke to, and their sense of humour.
I can’t stop laughing 😂
When you complain English has silence letters,
Tibetan: Bkra shis bde legs. (Tra shi de lek)
This learned scholar’s observation about languages along with his cartoons have won my subscription.
That's why I appreciate Georgian: 33 letters, each stands for one sound and one sound only, no silent letters, no letters affecting each other, nothing can be misspelled, nothing can be misread. Having said that, I would love to learn some Tibetian writing now :D
And no capital/small letter distinction either in Georgian. And it has a letter that looks like a double scoop ice cream cone!
@@donatist59I suppose you mean ღ :D Most people use it as a heart symbol. The actual sound of that is like a French "r" sound, but a bit rougher.
Cool
Yeah but Georgian has a lot of letters that most of the people find super hard to spell. And the grammar is so complicated and difficult.
@@Nick.L. What do you mean to spell? You mean the actual shape of the letters? They're not that difficult really, the shapes are quite simple. No stroke order or anything like that needed. There's slightly more letters than usually, but in the end, they're only 33. Russian has 32, for example.
As far as grammar goes, it is definitely very complicated for a foreigner to learn :D But I'm not at all suggesting Georgian overall is easy, I was just remarking about the alphabet and nothing else :)
me reading a tibetan word: IAHUWIDAIUS
Pronunciation: garfield
lol underrated
HAHAHAHA
LMAOAOAOA
@Massimo 2.0 it's SÞODEÆURKPAENDRÐAG
😂😂😂😂👍
I’m Thai
but I failed Thai on almost every test... and this is the only subject I failed👏👏👏
(I tested
Thai - my first language but I still failed : )
English - almost failed but still passed
China - I learned just a basic
Japan - ✨)
ภาษาเขียนของไทยคือมหานรกภาษาเขียนของประเทศอื่นมันดูเด็กๆไปเลยข้าก็เหมือนกันตอนสมัยเรียนอยากเป็นเทพแห่งภาษาไทยเพราะอยากได้คำชมจากครูเเละเพื่อนๆพยายามเรียนอย่างหนักแต่ผลสุดท้ายก็ยังเป็นเลิศด้านภาษาไทยมิได้เพราะภาษาเรามันดิ้นได้มันอะไรก็ไม่รู้มั่วซั่วไปหมดมันคือมหานรกขุมสุดท้ายจริงๆภาษาเขียนของพวกเรา
@@PaRaSiTaL--ThAiLaNd ยอมแพ้ครับ
The solution: just write everything in IPA and declare all other writings being art.
Except… a word can have different pronunciations but remain the same word…
I am learning Tibetan and the fact that the language did not change is very good because one can read the holy texts from masters that lived 800 years ago. :)
Icelandic moment
@@1601xavi the same masters? :)
@@otello647 Icelandic speakers can read Icelandic Sagas and Edda from 800 years ago as well.
But it's still hard ;-;
@@sonamwangmobhutia8162 very, also hey tibetan!
I'm Thai and I can't even say/write some of the word properly, lol. 😂😂
Ahga my so you like agust d 😂
me too
@@emmeliefranzl8439 I don't like him, I LOVE HIM😂😂😂
Hahahhahaha good answer 😂😂😂😂
Same
For some reason, although the grammar of Irish is extremely difficult, the spelling makes a lot of sense. I can immediately tell how something is pronounced and pronounce it perfectly. It’s probably easier for me to pronounce Irish, a language I can’t speak than English
i love your videos bro amazing
My dyslexic self: forget this
I read this as dyslexic elf at first and was so confused. It's 3 AM OK
Oh my god I didn't even think about dyslexians.. Imagine if y'all had Tibetan as a language in school Jesus Christ..
Suddenly i don't feel alone
@save the fudge How much time did that take you?
@save the fudge Wow good job
Speaking polish is unhealthy for your tongue and teeth
Jimmy B. 😂
you should try Portuguese. almost everything makes a sh, uh or unrounded oo-sound, the sound of a turkish alpaca having a hangover.
Plus the fact that there are at least 5 different ways to write the s sound (s, ss, c, cç, ç), even though Portuguese rarely even bothers to use that sound.
Pr.BΞ do you speak portuguese?
@@LucasAlmeida-jy3pd yup, pretty much the whole father side of my family was born in the Açores.
I wouldn't write that awfulness if I didn't know what I was scribbling about.
@@teli6350 I'm brazilian :)
So true as I am Swiss Thai 🇨🇭🇹🇭
But the easiest part is we have compensating by NOT having that strictly grammatically anyway
English: Finally, a worthy opponent!
I don't understand how written Tibetan and spoken Tibetan even qualify as the same language. You're just learning two different languages.
It all means the same thing. It's just the pronunciation is incredibly un-linked to the spelling.
I mean, you wouldn't say written and spoken English aren't the same language because of through, though, thought (etc.)
And that's without the language breaking up into new languages, as English seems poised to do within a few generations.
@@renardmigrant yeah it mainly same just it became a bit silenter
Spoken Tibetan has evolved .....but written script hasn't changed at all.......that's why maybe......
As I learn Korean and French, I forget English and Spanish. GOODNESS I JUST WANT TO BE SMART
no stop it do you use them?
Spanish is easy to spelling
You shouldn’t, Spanish and English is extremely important! and i mean extremely!
@@potpourri565 I mean Spanish is only important in the usa and the Americas and Spain of course so I think English would be more useful but depending on where you are it would be different
Woko100 Still though, Hispanics travel everywhere, if have a job and know Spanish, you’ll probably get more money
I mean, taking into consideration the algorith that was displeyed previously, this (4:16) makes sense.
You can easily see the pattern here, as consonants combining into different sounds and so on.
I was so looking forward to that top 10 :(
Now don't think a language is unlearnable in your school
LeToplache007 well, that's only the Writing System, and it's not even the hardest one, watch tue Hardest writing system one
LeToplache007 all languages not your own are unlearable in school. Classes average their students so people falling behind or being ahead are punished. An independent way to learn is much better then class
You think Tibetan us hard, you should try reading Hmong. Hmoob daus
is there any scholarship on the way one language affects the brain development of it's children learners and adult speakers? how languages interact with the brain and produce mental characteristics common to native speakers of said language?
too nutty?
gatorgityergranny I don't think being a native speaker of any one language makes you more intelligent than native speakers of another language and I definitely think any scholarship on the subject would be deeply, deeply flawed (for several reasons- what is pushed under cultural emphasis, which definition of intelligence one is testing for- also brain size/development =/= intelligence, human error in translation because stupid things can and eventually will get through even rigorous proofreading), but I do know we have proof that children raised without language (raised by animals, abuse) don't appear to have as much capacity for learning. Obviously this evidence is suspect as it cannot be tested widely enough to prove anything for ethical reasons, but there is some knowledge and it appears to show that language is a keystone in human understanding of the world. Shocking, I know, but there you go. There may be some testing on the differences in the brain development of different native speakers if you look it up, but (and especially if it isn't recent) check the sources, the sample size, where the sample size was from and why they were there, the cultures from which the subjects came and the cultures's particular emphases, the history of the cultures from which the native speakers came, the study's definition of 'intelligence'/'brain development', and the way the testing was conducted because more than likely there's a racist bias to any such study. So... yeah.
“Polish is difficult”
“Honestly I think any language in the Sino-Tibetan family is more difficult.
“No BeCaUsE pOlIsH iS iMpOsSiBlE iT’s ThE hArDeSt LaNgUaGe.”
Polish isn't as difficult as both German or Dutch.
@@thatdutchguy2882 You must be kidding me. Polish has much more consonant clusters and you have several ways to write different sounds. When they are all put together it's a real mess. Whereas in German, the word you need to read looks much more "clean" and if you know its separate parts, you can pronounce it with ease. Polish is much harder to pronounce smoothly. But I'm probably biased for speaking German and knowing mostly how to read in Polish. :P
@@JohnSmith-hq6fl I'm sure it's much easier for a Pole to read Polish than German, so...
Either way, both are still better than English
@@MarcHarder And it's a lot easier for a German to read German than Polish. He would struggle with Polish so much. :D
English is really fucked, it's in its own league. Lack of consistency also comes from all the loan words, which you aren't sure how natives would pronounce.
@@thatdutchguy2882 I'm sorry but you're looking at 2 VERY different languages here. A Germanic language against a Slavic language, for a native English speaker, German would be relatively easier to learn since they are both Germanic languages.. however Polish is a complete different grouping with very difficult pronunciations and spellings, in German, its pretty straight forward to learn past tense and future tense and present tense, Polish- it's relatively difficult. So what I'm trying to say here is that Polish is so much more difficult to learn for a native English speaker than German
I think Thai dictionary works kind of the same way though. We go by the first consonant but it’s not always the first letter you see. You actually have to be proficient in your writing skill just to be able to use the dictionary. And yeah our script may not be quite as complex but we make up for it by making everything else super complicated. Most if not all Thai kids take formal Thai language classes for at least 14 years from kindergarten to 12th grade and even then there is still much more to learn. The bottom line is I don’t think it’s possible to say which language is the hardest to speak or write. It depends on your upbringing and how your brain works.
Wow, I just found this channel, & I think I know what Ill be doing for the rest of the week at least. This language did come to the back of my mind, although it unfortunately - not having its own nation - threw me a bit.
I'm a linguophile (?) as well, & I'm interested in fantasy spelling/speaking bee described in the beginning.
I've been creating a language (casually) for the past 30 years, & in that time I've watched how it changes the way real languages do over centuries, & its all very interesting. I try to keep the alphabet to 24 consonants & 24 vowels, although I still haven't agreed to establish the actual appearance of it, other than to know that it resembles a sort-of upside down Devanagari style system which also resembles Arabic.
Aesthetics of a language is really important to me, & the one featured here is one of the most beautiful visually IMO, but I'm not familiar with what it sounds like. The sound aesthetics is also really important, but a seemingly difficult effect to create - & also quite subjective...
Uppwe tibetan aounds mongolic lower tibetan sounds weird weatern tibetan sounds barbaric and eastern sounds archaic
Rules for English:
1. Their our know rules
2. If you take the 'gh' from 'enough', the 'o' from women(pronounced wimin), and the 'ti' from nation, then 'Ghoti' is pronounced 'fish'.
You're welcome.
Ghoti and chips, please! (That's a very old one, by the way. I heard it in school back in the sixties.)
EnderShadowz24 The way the letters are pronounced are affected by the surrounding letters. Your logic does not work. When paired with a vowel "ugh" makes the "f" sound (such as in the word laugh.) O makes the "i" sound to differentiate between the singular and plural forms of the word. Tion makes the "shun" sound. However, when the letters G and H are put together, the H is silent (such as in ghast and ghost). Take the sound that "Ho" makes. Although, the H is silent, o is still affected. The remaining letters are T and I. They could make a "tî" sound (very short I sound like in the word fish), a "tē" (tee) sound, or a "tī" (tai) sound. Ending a word with the sound of either "tî" or "tī" would be odd. It would interrupt the "flow" that English has. The most logical way for the word "ghoti" would be "Gōtē" or "goatee"
Nutellakinesis fair point, my intellectual friend. However, you seemed to have missed the point, if only slightly. I meant take the sound the letters make, not the letters themselves. However, I do find your comment a fair point, as I have stated, and will keep it in mind for the future.
DieFlabbergast really? My dad told to me when I was a kid, and he was born in the early sixties. Makes sense, I suppose.
You seem to have a limited understanding of the concepts of "humour" and "logic." It is the very fact that "ghoti" could _not_ be pronounced "fish" that makes this a joke. If this combination of letters _could_ be pronounced "fish," but simply isn't, for one historical reason or another, it would not be funny. The average person knows nothing of the linguistic concepts that you go to the trouble to explain, but by virtue of being a literate native speaker, he or she instinctively understands that this orthography-pronunciation match-up is impossible: _that_ is why it is amusing. This is a joke for the average person, not an in-joke for linguists. Of course, if one has to explain a joke, it's never funny.
EnderShadowz24 i just became engrossed in reading that. ('_')
As a Tibetan I am pretty impressed how you pronounced the word like 90% correctly... well done about the information too... the emperor sent to India to learn bhoekay(Tibetan language) was known as thumi sambota.😁 #bhoegyalo
Sorry if it's off topic, but how is it living in Tibet? Good or bad? Is there conflicts happening in this country? I would love to know.
@bruh that's cringe Thank you for the explanation!
duda · not many Tibetans live in Tibet due to a Genocide against them.
Could you explain this better? Who's responsible for this genocide? What's the reason? That's really concerning.
duda · the Chinese, or i should say The People’s republic of China. They took annexed
Tibet in the 1950s and from there on Most of the Tibetans Left Tibet but the ones that remained were tortured with methods such as Pour water over them and than Electrocuting them. That’s just one method. Search up Tibet’s lack of human rights and you’ll find a lot more articles and information.
Hm, so do you learn the morphological rules and lexicon of ancient tibetan alongside with the script or did the letters never refer to actual phones in earlier language stages of tibetan?
If you do, it's kind of similar to the french orthography!
Personally think if im going to learn Tibetan, I will stick with speaking first, then remember how words are written, so instead of crossing out letters, I remember the word as a whole and how it sounds, similar to learning any logogram writing system
Chinese and Japanese; where are the hardest languages
Tibetan ; *I HAVE ENTERED THE CHAT
Japanese isn’t that hard
なに
Japanese isn't hard
Polish: anyone called me?
Finnish: Kyllä veli
Hungarian left the chat
Nothing is harder than
Minecraft enchantment table language
OMG I DISNT EXPECT THIS MANY LIKES😂
Ma booi
Oof
The galatic letters
Google translate! Help us!
YES
I said Thai at the start of the video and you interrupted it to explain why it's not 😂😂 I like how you just knew some language nerds will try to predict what the hardest language is to spell
Very interesting!!!
I am Thai and I struggle with my own language xD
MixCraft LOL SAME
โย่วๆๆ คนไทยจ้าา วิชาไทยนี่ตกบ่อยอยู่น้าเค้าอ่ะ
เหมือนกัน
ข้อสอบเอนทรานซ์สะกัดดาวรุ่งคือ ข้อใดต่อไปนี้สะกดถูกทั้งหมด
ตกใจเลย ไม่คิดว่าจะมีภาษาตัวเอง เพราะไม่เคยคิดเลยว่าภาษาไทยมันจะสะกดยาก
Yes! Yes! Yes!
I started learning Tibetan a couple months back, thinking that my Hindi roots would make it easy. But, hahaha, it is every bit as difficult as he says and more.
Ya man
It was just originated from sanskrit
But they have evolved and gone to a point where they get too different
@@sehajjotsingh1476 and here I got 97 in tibetan in cbse 10th
Not flexing tho
@@tseringchosphel1340 your name justifies that 😂
@@deepanshu564 😂 it's written ཚེ་རིང་ཆོས་འཕེལ་ in tibetan script
Tibetan- So, we’re gonna close our eyes, type random letters on the keyboard, and make THAT our language!!
People- Sure
i speak tibetan but its not really the same.I come from bhutan in which we speak Dzongkha which is supposetly harder. Please make a video about Dzongkha the language of Bhutan. I can also speak thai since I was born there so this was the perfect video for me. i am a very big fan :)
In Chinese when I see a word I don’t know I just guess the vibe of it, most of the times it’s correct
How do I learn this power?
Thats what i do with half of english
lmao this
@@ashokkumarroy3543 What we do is "有邊讀邊 沒邊讀中間" (When you don't know how to pronounce just read the (usually) right side of the character; if you can't tell witch side then read the middle part of it)
@@ashokkumarroy3543 apparantly, there exists some phonetic value in Chinese characters
My first language was Spanish which is beautiful and simple. Then I learned English when I started going to school, which I used to think had no consistency. This Tibetan stuff is just wild. RIP Harambe.
my name is spelled Young money but it is pronounced Maximum dickus.
Alejandro Betancourt what is your mother tongue and how many languages do you speak ?
Alejandro Betancourt it's hard to learn Spanish
+jammer splash1 Spanish isn't *too* hard. Three languages that are very useful, and easy to learn are Spanish, French, and Italian. They're all very similar languages, with many similar root words and prefixes, etc. Learn one, and you'll have a breeze learning the other two. I know Spanish, and I'm learning Italian now.
jammer splash1 Japanese is harder lolim learning Japanese
I would have appreciated if you used a dating system like BC/AD or BCE/CE so that it was clear which 800 you were talking about.
Full of admiration for your sibilance filter!
Throwing some shade Xidnaf's way I see, but Jesus Christ, Tibetan definitely seems worse than Thai...
Just like the chinese languages, they all can write the same, but cannot speak together
Egyptian is actually an alphabet.
lol
Yup same here
thai is not that bad tbh
anyone else love how this guy is so interested about language?
marty kunstlerin 🙋🏽♀️
yep
Its like art....come are good at it and others can't even finger paint.
That's linguistics for ya!
@@tq2769 yep
Nineteen seconds in, and my dyslexic soul has run screaming to the hills. 😱🙅🙆🤦
Great video. Something tells me you are not aspirating at the right time on those consonants,but hey, opinions are like arseholes. I learned a lot
As a French-speaker, Tibetan spelling very much reminds me of French. French is rife with silent letters due to historical spelling, but you can't ignore them completely as they can change the pronunciation of another letter or roll into the next word, in which case they're no longer silent. For instance, the final T in the French pronunciation of Tibet is silent but it causes the E before it to be pronounced as [e] (IPA [tibe]), otherwise that E would be silent ("Tibe" → [tib]). The main difference is that French is spelled using the Latin alphabet, which means no consonant clusters or tone marks for instance.
French is a weird Language, i don't like it too much (i still think it sounds pretty when talking) but it just got too many Exceptions for me (im from Switzerland and my Motherlanguage ja german (swiss-german))
+Sebastian Neff **ja = is**
wow really. :O French is soo bizarre that I'm in love with it
A0vol9Z T'es comme Jigmé ;)
French is ultra logical, the difficulty is that you have to remember a lot of rules but there's way less exceptions to these rules than in english. Not the easiest language but far from being really difficult (it's even one of the easiest to learn if you're an english native speaker).
i forgot what the original comment said but idk it was somehting about sign language being technically the hardest language to speak. that was my peak of comedy at the time i guess
If you wrote sign language down that would be illegal
You have to be a perfect drawer to draw sign language
To speak, you can describe the fingers
@@winterberry295 There actually are ways to write down American Sign Language
There's Stokoe Notation, the ASLphabet, and other ones.
neither is universal though.
nope
I've seen a meme with a pie chart showing that the biggest reason to learn Tibetan is masochism. I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel, but it has not been an easy road... 🤣🤣🤣
I saw it aswell😂
Excellent !
And there are people saying life is to short to learn german.... :D
Valivali94 well German isn't so easy either but definitely not as complicated.
Hogdion Hanna depends what you already speak.
Well it quite possibly is in their life. Everyone has different goals and some do not require a second language.
Ninja Warthog most people in countries around germany learn german as a third language in school.
#headache #confusedasfuck lol
But so interestin
and here I thought learning French was hard because there’s a lot of silent letters
do you play among us
@@nadiasenouci4010 uh yep
le langue de français est “easy peasy” (sometimes)
Me too
Yea but after learning the spelling rules its a lot easier
Guys- appreciate Korean. They did something that other languages didn’t; grouping letters together.
Three different letters: ㄱ ㅗ ㄱ
Them in a word: 곡 (song)
Every abugida groups consonant and vowels together? Even the script on this video does that ནེ. (ན+ ེ)
Not only are there so many different sounds and sound changes and flippings but all the letters look so similar.
Why am i suddenly thinking about the Air Nomads from Avatar the Last Airbender when i watched this video.
You're not alone.
Because they had a similar appearance to the Buddhist stereotype
because the air nomads culture and appearance is somewhat based around tibetan monks
Because you're a pathetic loser who compares real life to some animated show for no particular reason at all
Solaxe S Go and get laid.
In Hungarian languange, this is a grammary correct word:
*Külsőmerevlemeztöredezetségmentesítőrendszereszközparancsfájlmappaáthelyezőprogramtelepítésiinformációsfájlkiterjesztéskezeléseinkért*
Wait... *what does it mean?*
Or is it a paragraph.lol
Well see what I found
The Guinness World Record for the longest word used in any language in the world literature is a Sanskrit word composed of 195 Devanagari characters((transliterating to 428 letters in the Roman alphabet).
The word is-
निरन्तरान्धकारित-दिगन्तर-कन्दलदमन्द-सुधारस-बिन्दु-सान्द्रतर-घनाघन-वृन्द-सन्देहकर-स्यन्दमान-मकरन्द-बिन्दु-बन्धुरतर-माकन्द-तरु-कुल-तल्प-कल्प-मृदुल-सिकता-जाल-जटिल-मूल-तल-मरुवक-मिलदलघु-लघु-लय-कलित-रमणीय-पानीय-शालिका-बालिका-करार-विन्द-गलन्तिका-गलदेला-लवङ्ग-पाटल-घनसार-कस्तूरिकातिसौरभ-मेदुर-लघुतर-मधुर-शीतलतर-सलिलधारा-निराकरिष्णु-तदीय-विमल-विलोचन-मयूख-रेखापसारित-पिपासायास-पथिक-लोकान्
In IAST transliteration:
nirantarāndhakārita-digantara-kandaladamanda-sudhārasa-bindu-sāndratara-ghanāghana-vr̥nda-sandehakara-syandamāna-makaranda-bindu-bandhuratara-mākanda-taru-kula-talpa-kalpa-mr̥dula-sikatā-jāla-jaṭila-mūla-tala-maruvaka-miladalaghu-laghu-laya-kalita-ramaṇīya-pānīya-śālikā-bālikā-karāra-vinda-galantikā-galadelā-lavaṅga-pāṭala-ghanasāra-kastūrikātisaurabha-medura-laghutara-madhura-śītalatara-saliladhārā-nirākariṣṇu-tadīya-vimala-vilocana-mayūkha-rekhāpasārita-pipāsāyāsa-pathika-lokān
@@gaurangagarwal3243 ok, but this is not hungarian :)
@@gaurangagarwal3243 and what does that mean?
could you make a video about the Tibetan language itself, like the spoken language, its grammar? Or, if that's too specific, something about the trans-himalayan languages that aren't chinese? especially the ones that can be analyzed as more agglutinative, since trans-himalayan is considered a bastion of radical analycity.
video muy genial!
"Spelling bees"? Bees can't spell - everyone knows that! Wasps, on the other hand ...
What about the bumblebees?!
To bumble means to make mistakes (en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bumble), so they wouldn't get many spellings right, would they? If you asked them to take part, they'd tell you to buzz off.
Acording to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee could fly, so why not speak?
I didn't say they couldn't speak: I said they couldn't spell.
A wasp can't spell. But a WASP can. ;)
Silent letters can influence the way other letters sound:
Tap Tape
Pin Pine
Hop Hope
Fit Fight
Lit Light
Yes, a lot of the things he said sounded like he was describing English
@@ruthlevai4816 it's English x10
@@penguinlim English x10 is French, Tibetan is French x10
the silent letters in English don't influence how you pronounce the others. english has no pronunciation rules, it has vague patterns that work sometimes but not other times.
example A: Minute (noun) vs minute (adjective)
@@kevboard The reason the u in the noun "minute" is short is because it's unstressed, because in a noun the first syllable is stressed. It's much, much more likely the vowel before the silent letters in lengthened, like in the adjective "minute"
As mentioned in the video, there are like 7 letters or combinations of letters that make the same sound in greek. Thankfully though, at least everything in greek is spelled how it is pronounced.
Still waiting for the rest of the top 10 list
I'm Tibetan and I watched this video 2 years ago, and it inspired me to learn the language. Now, in 2019, I can confidently say that གྲོགས་ is not pronounced "rōg" it's t^hōg. Besides that, great pronunciation and historical facts! Love your channel.
well... u're not not wrong. some tibetan people do pronounce that r. and some do pronounce that s at the end. some do both. ur folly (and dw everyone does that) is that u assume the tibetan language is spoken the same all over tibet.
@@gnos887 To be fair, it's NativLang's fault for not specifying what variety of Tibetan they're talking about. NativLang mention that Lhasa Tibetian pronounced varuous words as tup, but I don't know if the rest of them is in Lhasa.
That's what I thought- Lhasa Tibetan rules look like they would make it so it's pronounced [ʈʰog] or [ʈʰok] (with low tone), but... you never know, there's exceptions _everywhere_
Thanks for confirming my suspicions though !
It’s pronounced d’ og
Bengali's spelling is also hard.
ই and ঈ both have the exact same sound - /i/
শ, ষ, and স all make the 'sh' sound
ঐ = ওই (oi)
ঔ = ওউ (ou)
But nothing, absolutely NOTHING, beats Tibetan.
Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz
And..
"umfahren" is the opposite of "umfahren
What does umfahren mean?
Lol don't scare me. I'm a bengali who's learning bengali lol
@@piyadas3193you're Bengali but you don't know bengali?? 🤯🤔
@@uhatebtslolwhatapaininss3396 maybe their mother tongue is different or they are in a lower grade.
No wonder many Tibetans are monks, they gotta focus all their energy on learning to spell.
Just imagine the power that can be harnessed.
My dad is half Laos & Thai and he wants me to learn how to speak both and read Thai... but I wanna learn Cantonese, my mother's tongue (and Vietnamese too but hers is rusty af). F.
I also plan on learning Japanese, Korean & Mandarin too.
To be honest, I'd love to see Xidnaf as a guest star on the follow-up video to this.
that's a good idea
hope they try
yeah
or both of them in the "spelling bee on steroids" 😆
Xidnaf's next video. "English is actually Chinese"
every Languages under Sanskrit or Tibetan influence are almost impossible to held a spelling bee like that. may contains Khmer(Cambodian), Dzongkha(Bhutanese), Thai, Laos, Burmese etc......
Sanskrit is pronounced as it is written and vice versa. Nobody can deny the fact if he/she has studied it sometime in his lifetime.
Tibetan nd Sanskrit are two completely different languages. Don't compare them
@@kkaepsongg8640 Maybe somewhere in history, Tibetan is derived from Sanskrit. But Sanskrit is written completely in different manner if it is compared to Tibetan. Further, it has Devanagri Script.
I don’t think Lao fits in here. It’s a sister language of Thai, but very simplified writing system, no silent letter, very straight forward spelling. It’s nothing like Thai or you can say a very phonetic Thai spelling system.
@@choosingbegger9799 but Tibetan writing system, matra method same as we use in Hindi( Devnagari script) n Tibetan also look like Bangali language, Bangla language is more drawing type as Tibetan language, he showed in vid, king send his minister in India, around Bangal region.
Thanks for video!!! This demonstrates how much we, humans, are primitive and cannot give up on outdated traditions. Once I saw a video, which tries to justify, why Japanese who developed two simple alphabets (hiragana, katakana) to replace kanji (Chinese characters) are still using kanji... IMHO, no valid reason were provided, just a laziness! We have Esperanto... but I am happy that at least English is getting widely spread. It's not ideal but at least not as difficult as German, French, Spanish or Italian with its noun genders which has NO practical value.
I,m actually Tibetan and this was kinda funny but I really appreciate this video☺️
spelling: we'renostrangerstolooooooveyouknowtherulesandsodoi
pronunciation:
ra ra rasputin-
"we're.. no.. strang- oh wait, that's familiar! Oh- yeah. Rickroll. Of course."
I've gotten rickroll so many times that I don't even care anymore.
In tibetan it would look like this
ར་ར་ར་སི་པུུ་ཏིན་
I like how you wrote spelling and pronouncation in the exact same writing system, alphabet and language
Nevergonnagiveyouupnevergonnaletyoudown
@@auritro3903 nevergonnarunaroundanddesertyou
How lucky am I to use one of the easiest writing systems in the world: Korean
유창완
The orthography of Korean is indeed very simple. The pronunciation change confuses me though; I feel that I can never confidently say whether ㄱ is g or k, for example.
네 한글이 최고예요. 한글은 정말 영어보다 낫습니다. 1년 동안 한국어를 공부했고 기초가 있습니다.
i have a lot of fun pronouncing ㄹ it’s interesting combining the “L” and “R” sounds together when need be
Its really that easy?
@@jacquelineliu2641 You gotta study to learn the sound change rules. It's really not that hard when you get the hang of it. The hard part are the actual sound change rules like how ㄱ is pronounced ㅇ when followed by ㅁ ect.
0:23 Green slice- for mutating, isn’t it nGaeilge? Or the mutation is just, there
the concept at 6:55 , thats ... just .... an exciting twist on the French concept of liaison :)
Serbian spelling is the easiest. Just repeat every single sound you hear.
Morja HD exactly! serbian, croatian and slovene are the easiest to learn bc letters are always pronounced pretty much the same
And yet polish is one of the hardest languages in the world but it is slavic (but yet it is western slavic not southern or eastern).
Been waiting to see someone say this
Am bosnian. It's so easy, lol.
Ja nisam Srbin ja sam Slovak =)
A lot of these problems also apply to English: historical spelling, homophony, influencing letters with silent letters (just like in English: ”Hat” vs. ”Hate”), just to name a few. Also, pronouncing very similarly spelled words totally differently, like: ”Tough” vs. ”Though” vs. ”Thought” vs. ”Through” vs. ”Thorough”. 😐
it is scarily accurate how perfectly this video reflects english if one simply switches the examples given
i realised this at the point of silent letters having no rule, and still affecting pronunciation
seriously i leave as an exercise to everyone to see how quickly you can find an example for each of the tibetan script's complexities reflected in english orthography
@@aiocafea Exactly 👌🏻! I will take on that excercise, though. It’s a good excercise. One example of pronouncing similarly (or identically) written words differently, and differently spelled words similarly/identically, is: ”Reed” vs. ”Read” vs. ”Read” vs. ”Red”. Also, as you said, there’s no logic behind the silent letters, like in: ”Through” vs. ”Tough” vs. ”Though”; or in ”Wednesday”, being pronounced: ”Wensdei”. 👍🏻
@@PC_Simo For words such as “Read” and “Read” you would be able to tell the difference based on how they are pronounced. Plus you have the context of the sentence, such as: “I read a book yesterday” or “I’m going to read this new series” I.e. you would say “Read” in the past tense for the first one, and pronounce it differently etc. 😀
@@zacharyanderson6243 Yes. ”Read” and ”Read” were examples of pronouncing identically spelled words differently.
@@PC_Simo Homonyms.
3:51 The thing under it has a name and all of them actually have names...Geekoo,Shapshoo,Dembo,Naro
Edit: But in Tibet some tibetans pronounce it in a different accent and it will sound different from other tribes,I especially am still working on my Tibetan Tibetan as in the accent from my dad's tribe language but I'm also working on my mom's tribe language so I won't get embarrassed next time I go visit my relatives in Tibet so I don't get teased 😓
I get a Duolingo ad right before this. Totally makes sense.