Ugh. Definitely meant to say Ezekiel as I had the book of Ezekiel in the footage. Looks like my wires got crossed. I wish I noticed and re-recorded. Obviously Jehoiachin wouldn't be around for centuries. Clearly I wasn't inerrant there. 😳
@@TestifyApologetics Hey, we all make mistakes no need to beat yourself up for this. This video it is still a great and entertaining recourse for believers around the globe. Keep them coming, and testifying the name of the Lord who is perfect!
@@TestifyApologetics Haha gee it’s almost like those proving the Divine Will of God can make mistakes sometimes 🤡 😂 God keep you and your loved ones and those you pray for in Jesus Name 🙌 it’s funny how He makes examples of things. Through the bad God makes good! Lean on Christ!
@@antoniu9757 It is bordering on misinformation, though. "God hates gay people" is a harmful misrepresentation of scripture, and we don't need Atheists taking the same hard stance as the stereotypical Westboro Baptists.
@@TestifyApologetics Grew up in a catholic family was a christian then an atheist then an agnostic after that i became a born again christian by being a protestant then I converted to orthodoxy, I felt like I was in my proper place in Orthodoxy much more than in Protestantism
Im not hating but I am curious as to why your youtube account was just created 3 days ago. Did you use a different one before or did you binge IP and Testify?
Hey man, I've been going through my first real doubts in my faith since I converted 4ish years ago. Your channel along with others has answered so many of my questions as well as strengthened my faith. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart for what you do
Praise God. I'm humbled! Thank you for sharing, it's very encouraging. I never know who's really watching or what effect I'm having fully, so thanks. I'm screenshotting this and saving it to my "hey this is what it's all about" file.
@@TestifyApologetics Galileo Galilei was persecuted --- and Giordano Bruno was burned on the stake because they contradicted . . . *Joshua 10.12-13; 20* “On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord: 'Sun, *STAND STILL* over Gibeon, and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.' So the *sun* _STOOD STILL,_ and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies . . . "
Well said brother. I've spent too much time telling skeptics and atheists, "stop only listening to Holy Kooliad, take in other content with opposing views." Definitely recommending this.
@@macmac1022 Scribal errors are not the same as contradictions. If I write a thesis paper, and have someone copy it, and they add a number or letter in error, do we then assume my entire thesis is unreliable, the arguments flawed, the history made-up, and shouldn’t be considered as factual, all based on a typo? You wouldn’t treat any other historical document with that insane level of scrutiny, so why treat the Bible different? If we had the original manuscript, fine, but we don’t, we have to rely and copyists, who can error. Given the extreme levels of attention given, and the scholarship behind it, we can surmise what was written is very close to the original. The important factor is, had the original essential message been maintained, and evidence would suggest, yes.
@@tomhardy8967 Infallible in its authoritativeness and direction to make one wise to salvation. Because some copyist 2 centuries ago wrote one wrong number, or misspelled a word, doesn't mean we throw out everything.
Man, holy kool-aid is so good at what he does it's scary. It hurts me every time I see his videos with his baseless claims being taken as truth by millions
Just prior to entering a monastery, I was shown a lot of biblical criticism...it really harmed my faith and it felt quite painful..I left the monastery and fell away for a bit (still having belief somewhat but barely holding on) so thanks for these videos.
Textual critics mostly operate in the realm of feelings, as if we don't have real, actual history to which these texts are connected. The existence of the people who became called the Samaritans is a big example of that. If you take the "documentary hypothesis," these people took a mostly foreign religion and adopted the bits that made them the bad guys, according to what the texts already said about them, and even went to the trouble of rewriting the text in an antique script to do it!
Knowing of memes you tend to post, here's one that came to mind after watching: "If there are 40,000 Christian denominations, name 100!" "Church of Christ!" "That's on me, I set the bar too low." If Holy Kool-Aid keeps hammering the 'denomination' button, it may do well to emphasize the different meanings of 'denomination' as done in that study you mentioned vs. the more common understanding of a 'religious denomination'. Up to you, of course. :) ---- Thanks for these vids!
@@wyatttyson7737 nobody said that, you are strawmanning atheists there. Its not "therefore dress doesnt exist" but "therefore both od them cant be right at the same time"
@@magnificentuniverse3085 Which they are using as an argument that God doesn't exist, not because they are simply concerned with interdenominational disagreements
Awesome videos brother. One of my favorite quotes on textual criticism (paraphrasing, on the reliability of NT specifically) is from Dam Wallace: ‘The situation is as if we have a 100 piece jigsaw puzzle, but we have 110 pieces’
1:25 The story about God's punishment for the census of David is certainly a perplexing one for us today, but keep in mind, there is still a lot we don't quite understand about the Old Testament cultural context. Notice how in the story, David is immediately "conscience-striken" and repents upon hearing about it, even going as far as saying that he has done "a very foolish thing". So while God's reason for being so angry is not entirely clear, it is very clear that David knew in his heart that he did something wrong, and willingly accepted God's punishment. Why exactly the census was so bad in God's eyes, we don't know, but our best guess would be that it was because of pride. David probably counted all the armies in order to pride himself with the might of his military force. So while this passage is indeed bizare for us today, we shouldn't jump to making hasty conclusions about God, based on an event that we frankly don't understand very well.
It would also increase Davids power over the people. Samuel warned that Kings would steal their wealth. A census is only for taxation so perhaps David was looking to steal money via taxation for himself. Greed. Perhaps the census was rooted in pagan rituals in the surrounding nations. God wanted Israel to be separate. Each time you see a King of Israel change to foreign Gods it was to enrich themselves. God had a lot of restrictions on land, inheritance and debts. Other dietes allowed usury and land enclosure. Historically Manasseh is shown to have turned huge areas of grazing land into olive groves to pay for the tribute levied on him by foreign powers. The taxes and money in the bronze and early iron ages all were paid into temples. Foreign gods. David could easily have been moving towards pagan worship with the census
It’s very simple. The reason why God was angry at the census taking (and why Joab was also angry with it) was because God had already repeatedly proved to his people that he could accomplish his will with a very small number. He didn’t need vast numbers of soldiers to defeat large armies. So when David was coming to the end of his life, he ordered a census because his faith in God was weak. David didn’t believe God would be with his people as he had been during David’s life, therefore, David wanted to know how many people and warriors he had, hoping it would be a sufficient number. God was angry with David because the old King should have had stronger faith in him, especially after seeing him through so many hardships with only a small number of faithful followers.
Holy Kool Aid and his ilk like to trot out answered contradictions with new graphics and pretend like it's a slam dunk. He needs to calm down and go outside.
@@macmac1022 There are other sources out there that also address these. You are basically just saying you disagree and doing some mental gymnastics. The scribal errors do not change the meanings of the text and they are not contradictions. Pay attention to the video instead of sending out a knee jerk response, please.
@@macmac1022 Just because you don't like the answers because that means you have fewer excuses not to trust the Bible does not mean the answers are wrong.
In regards to "inerrancy" what I was taught growing up is that scripture *as it was originally given* (i.e. the original manuscripts) were inerrant. Translators and scribes make errors. Thankfully, we have enough manuscripts and scraps to confidently think we at least have the intended revelation, but we can't say with confidence that a contemporary manuscript or translation is necessarily inerrant.
Bingo. Plus, even if we grant the errors in our copies, it doesn’t disprove inerrancy and even Ehrman would admit, with as far back as we can go, the Bible of today matches back then, at least in the New Testament.
@@deadalivemaniac If the copies are not inerrant then we don't need to disprove the inerrancy of the original, it's up to you to prove it was inerrant. You don't just get to assume that it was.
I posted this on my own comment but again…why would God allow scribing errors for a text that was divinely inspired? That is what does not make sense and also what sets the Bible apart from other texts. Historical records about Caesar are not the same and should not have the same guidelines as the inerrant word of God.
@@joshake2434 due to the mass variety of manuscripts, codices, and fragments, available, and the field of textual criticism, we know that mistakes, corruptions, and interpolations occur, but we also are able to reasonably construct the originals. God preserved His inerrant Word, but was able to do so without turning humans into robots or usurping the freewill He gave us.
@@voymasa7980 that’s just not true. You’re trying to have your cake and eat it too. It cannot both be divinely preserved AND contain errors. It is not possible. Even if you argue that in the last 100 years we have discovered original texts, it doesn’t change that for over 1,000 years there were multiple sects of the Christian faith that were utilizing a “holy book” that was riddled with errors. Why would an all-knowing God allow that? And again…it was not divinely preserved. Needing to piece together thousands of scraps to figure out what the original texts were is in no way “preserved”.
As a Catholic, the one polemic that I find myself correcting my fellow Catholics on is the claim that "there are 30,000 different denominations." In reality, there are only maybe a handful of Christian denominations that have substantial doctrinal differences. I still think that's too many, but it's still not as wild as 30,000
Holy Kool-Aid does an excellent job exposing the cult-like KJV-only churches. From what I know of HK, this seems to be the type of Church he came from before his conversion to Athisim. It seems HK left one polar position for another, sadly neither of these sides is sound in logic or reason on this topic,.Testify skillfully points this out in this response, well done.
It seems to be a common trend that many outspoken Internet/TH-cam atheists were formerly fundamentalist evangelical. Rarely do I come across someone like Holy Koolaid or MythVision Podcost who was raised Roman Catholic or Orthodox. In fact, I can't think of a single person who fits that criteria.
@joshua_wherley every catholic I know is secular and treats God as a crutch. I grew up catholic and went to a catholic school, never heard the gospel there despite having plays of Jesus crucifixion every year. Try another one.
What I find fascinating is that exvangelics, like Koolaid, basically just switch worldview but do exactly what they did as Christian’s but now proselytize atheism. Disregarding my own assumptions about the quality of his proselytizing based on what it is now, I’m always intrigued by why they care so much about that sharing of truth. Like, as atheists, why do correct beliefs on metaphysics, worldviews, or epistemology even matter in a world where survival skills are most fundamental? Just weird, man.
You have to remember you see a small sliver of evangelicals like this, the vast majority just leave and become ordinary citizens in society not caring about all the back and forth online.
@@BavidDigg that’s true but the most virulent atheists tend to be exvangelicals. I’ve seen them be lifelong atheists or former Muslims, former Catholics, and so in, but most tend to be ex Evangelical.
The only reason it seems weird to you is because you're indoctrinated into believing that only believers value morals like truth and honesty. Atheists who take the time to point out problems they see with religion are doing it because they see these ideas as harmful and damaging to individuals and society and their desire to counter it comes from a desire to help free people from their limiting beliefs. If this is hard to understand it might be because you've bought into the Christian idea that without faith in the existence of God, life has no meaning and can have no purpose.
I like how holy Kool-Aid show us clips of the supposed answers to these contradictions, they are very surface level and pretty much a low hanging fruit, he doesn’t show videos of people like Walter Kaiser, or Gleason archer answering these discrepancies instead he goes to low hanging fruit. I’m not accusing him of being dishonest I’m just saying.
@@TestifyApologetics I would say yes but at the same time not really I didn’t response to his videos in the comments, he brings up the typical contradictions like how many women were at the tomb or whether or not the angel appeared to Mary or Joseph, or whether or not Jesus rode on a horse or a donkey.
@@macmac1022 The first one is an example of a discrepancy not a contradiction, a discrepancy is something that appears to be contradictory,It’s not a contradiction, what’s establish what a contradiction is according to the law of non-contradiction to Country things cannot be both true and not true at the same time in the same way,It can be true that Satan is what’s responsible for David taking the senses,But also God permitting satan to take the senses there’s no contradiction. Oh my gosh, OK I don’t even know where to begin here yet you are incredibly ignorant,You do realize what a Skrable error is right? a Scrabble error is literally a spelling error within the copping process when copying ancient scribes and manuscripts, And more than 99% of scrabble errors are the most basic things like missing a letter or accidentally adding a letter,And the most Texell variants of the entire Old testament is in the book of Chronicles. He needs to actually prove that there is a contradiction in the Bible not in specific translations,This video is called Bible contradictions not scrabble errors in Texell variants that are in specific translations,This can’t be counted as a contradiction,It’s so easy to see you have somebody could make this mistake literally one Number difference 8 and 18, he explained exactly how it was not a big deal and it’s not a contradiction.It’s literally a minor minor minor problem in the copying process, No his point doesn’t stand at all because he’s completely ignorant he supposedly has 20 years of research under his belt yet he doesn’t even know the difference between a scribal error, Texell variant, discrepancy and a contradiction he assumes they’re all the same thing, I mean Gleason archer’s Book answering all these contradictions came out in 1968, John Haley’s Book came out in in the 1890s, and before you dismiss them as being apologists which is what many people do, just because I happen to be Christians their world renowned scholars. No his point is not stand in anyway, it’s so easy to answer. 🤦🏻♂️ oh my gosh please go Google what a is scribal error is. Yes he did and holy Kool-Aid did not show that it’s a contradiction you can just find a minor minor error within a specific translation and then claim that’s a bonafide contradiction it’s not a bonafide contradiction. Yes he did, literally two of the contradictions if he aledges or scribal errors, And super minor ones at that,He clearly did a little to no research for this video whatsoever, and he has the most fundamentalistic wooden Ridgid understanding of inerrancy and divine inspiration ever. His video it’s supposed to be about Bible contradictions, he needs to find something that is in all translations not scribal errors that are in specific manuscripts. Yeah you have a lot of homework to do.
@@macmac1022 they are there within the copping process and everyone knows they’re there, this video is supposed to be about Bible contradictions not have scribal errors happen within the copying process, so he shouldn’t have included this in the video, how does there being a one number off scrabble error, affect the validity of the Bible in anyway? It doesn’t and it’s not in the originals it’s in the copies and it’s not even then all the copies. This contradiction only holds if you believe that the modern translations and manuscripts are inspired which only KJV only people do, so he should’ve specified and said this discrepancy is for KJV only people, which he didn’t because he’s ignorant he doesn’t know how to identify a scrabble error. this is actually a good question, and it’s been a controversial topic among theologians ever since Christianity has begun, Gods permissive will. What do you mean Lord for both statements? So what? It’s not saying it’s the same thing in that specific context God is permitting Satan to do it, no this is a slippery slope, A contradiction are to contrary things that can’t be both true and not true at the same time in the same way, it can be true that Satan is responsible for the senses and that God permitted him to do it at the same time. Exactly did you watch the video, they weren’t as focused on secondary causes as we are today. Yes and it’s not a contradiction, if God and Satan were responsible for the senses in the same way and then it would be a contradiction but they’re not. It’s a discrepancy, a discrepancy is something that appears to be contradictory. Yes it’s not a big deal because a very minor numbering error in the copying process that affects absolutely nothing other than the age of somebody which is not super significant, he’s not a bonafide contradiction, there are thousands of scrabble errors, in our manuscripts in less than 1% of them actually affect the Bible, most of them are easily reconcilable we can get back to what the original actually says, I actually disagree of Eric I think Jehoiachin is 8 not 18, because there are other kings in Israel who became a king is very young. No his point doesn’t stand it only stands if you’re KJV only, he needs to actually prove this is a contradiction in the Bible not specific translations in specific manuscripts of the Bible. As of already explained it no it doesn’t, because this video is not titled scrabble errors that are in the copies of the Bible and in some translations, I don’t mean to be rude but if you need a scrabble error was you wouldn’t be making this objection, would it make sense for me to say that page 20 of Harry Potter and the sorcerer Stone is missing because my specific copy is missing that page of course it doesn’t. Yes I did you can see the comment that I commented on his video, I mean I come to the when his video first came out so it’s gonna be probably hard to find because there’s thousands of comments on the video. Get yourself a copy of biblical difficulties by Gleason archer it’s been out since 1968 and I think you can probably get it for free. Yes it’s debatable which age he is supposed to be not whether or not it says he’s 8 and he’s 18, the debate over which age is correct, know whether or not this is a contradiction because it’s not.
@@macmac1022 so there is a distinction between God’s permissive will and his commitive will, no not everything God permits he commits, and that’s not the claim it’s not claiming that God is the one committing the senses, it’s claiming that God is responsible but responsible in what way? And in what context? the context is that he is allowing Satan to commit the senses, so in that sense he is responsible. Commit as in he’s actively committed no. This is where it gets more complicated, again distinction between his permissive well and his commitive will, only in specific cases like in the case of Job. Because they’re two different accounts of the same thing made by two different authors, that’s why they’re gonna tell it slightly differently. That’s a different situation, yes God was allowing that. No, it’s a different situation. He did in the sense that he permitted it he allowed it to happen. He did in the sense that he permitted it. He’s allowing Satan to tempt Jesus, but there’s a distinction between God’s permissive well and again his active will, him allowing something to happen it’s not him actively committing it. Answer then I hope my answers are sufficient. I don’t think it looks good, i’m not avoiding the question I’ve already answered it. OK I apologize I should’ve been a little bit more respectful but I was kind of getting annoyed. Well it’s relevant to what you’re saying because ignorance is relevant to what you’re saying because what you’re saying is very ignorant, and you’re not making yourself look very ignorant so it’s a criticism that’s not meant to be taken as a personal attack, but I probably should’ve phrased it differently and said you’re saying you’re ignorant. OK I’m sorry if I phrased it Ridley or if it came off as a personal attack, it’s relevant to what you’re saying, it’s not just an attack with absolutely no organization and the attack you’re ignorant is relevant to what you’re saying, but I probably should’ve just said what you’re saying is incredibly ignorant and said you’re saying you’re ignorant so I apologize. OK buddy 😏. Did I ever tell you I was a Christian? Yes but that is a scrabble error that is a minor mistake in the copying process, there’s debate over whether or not it’s 8 or 18, in both passages not just one, this is a very minor copying error that is easily reconcilable. If you’re interested in the topic, I recommend getting a copy of Dr. Gleason archer’s biblical difficulties, he goes over hundreds of different alleged contradictions, The book came out in 1968 it’s pretty widely available I think it might even be able to get it for free, if not I’m pretty sure you can get it for pretty cheap. Yes but if something says 42 And you’re copying and translating something from a different language to another, when you accidentally make a minor mistake and make it say 22, it’s super understandable how you would make that mistake, they had no printing press back then they had to do everything by hand, in order to finish you had to hook it through, this is not in the originals we can trace back to what the original say, also this is not unique to every Bible it’s only in a few translations, no one claims of the modern translations or manuscripts are inspired all Christians or at least educated ones Grant they have mistakes in them, unless you’re a KJV only person. Imagine if you have a copy of Harry Potter and the sorcerer Stone, or the hobbit, and your coffee has one letter missing from it, do you think it would be fair to say that the hobbit has flaws in it because one letter and your specific copy is missing? OK it’s not the best analogy, because manuscripts are not printed, at least they didn’t used to be. It’s really easy to mix up the numbers 8 and 18, and this was not the original author is mixing this up this was a copying error that as a result of problems in the copying process and it’s incredibly minor. If that’s what the original said but if that is a mistake in the copying process it’s no big deal. No what I was talking about was the first contradiction not this one, yes it’s a contradiction within certain manuscripts that within the Bible as a whole though, no one beyond fundamentalists claims that the modern translations and the Bible we have today is inerrant. Yes contradiction in the copying process but you can’t blame the authors that originally wrote it for some thing that happened 100s of years after in the copying process. No I don’t, I interpreted it literally means witches age 8, but holy Kool-Aid video is trying to undermine divine inspiration by claiming that this is problematic, how is a minor numbering error in the copying process affect divine inspiration? Also he his understanding of divine inspiration is totally fundamentalistic and rigid. Are you even gonna address the answer? You do understand that this is a copying error copying which means it’s not in the original, because we can trace back this errors origins.
I think most people would agree that inerrancy only applies to the original manuscript. Later copies or translations being infallible is called something like divine preservation, which other than King James only people is not something I see claimed by Christians. Whether Matthew made historical mistakes when writing his gospel is an issue of inerrancy, which some Christians believe is possible others do not, but Holy Kool-aid here wasn't mentioning that anyway.
The idea of "inerrant in the original manuscript" is completely non-sensical. Which original manuscript? Do we know it? Have we seen it? By what method was that manuscript created? This is a blanket statement that is used most especially by the American evangelical traditions that is really just semantics to cover their bets in the event God cares about the words in church by-laws. The reality is that the push to claim "inerrancy" and especially the desire to "interpret" the Bible literally, is just eisegesis at its finest and completely ignores the various genres and traditions that created the text. It tells the reader to read the text as if it is one chronological account of history instead of seeing the real miracle behind what is in front of them and how it glorifies God on His terms, instead of on ours.
@@qb101 I thought I explained it pretty well. It means when someone like Mark wrote his gospel that, if he recorded the gospel according to Peter as is traditionally held, then he accurately quoted Peter, and neither added or changed anything. Some believe the gospel writers could have made errors regarding places or names, but most Christians believe those alterations occurred later not with the original testimonies.
@@thepalegalilean No one argues for infallibility, because it's ludicrous. Whether intentional or not, people can always add, change, or remove something, or it can even happen by accident. This is where something like the Quran gets into a lot of trouble, because they attempted to destroy all the flawed copies about a hundred years ago, but there's still information detailing the history of variations. Likewise, biblical infallibility would mean the Dead Sea Scrolls would be useless, since they vary slightly from the Septuagint and the Masoretic text, but having all three allows us to determine what is consistent, and therefore closest to the original wording. The same is done with the New Testament. Even with New Testament manuscripts, really only three major additions are disputed: the long ending of Mark, the woman caught in adultery in John, and the trinitarian verse in 1 John 5:7. Also, the doxology of the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6. None of those things affect the theology of the scriptures. I'm not even someone who believes inerrancy is a major issue, because the theology associated with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is one where God allows false prophets, the Mosaic law to have been missing or removed for a period of time, lying spirits, and such. Even Paul himself said not to trust anyone even the apostles if they started preaching another gospel. I think instead one must discern through historical affirmation, the church fathers, and the Spirit what is truth.
@@thepalegalilean inerrancy doesn't mean a flat Earth or YEC : those are interpretations of Scripture and interpretations aren't inerrancy : human infallibility isn't logical either by the Roman Catholics.
I definitely don't agree with you on all of these but HK just saying the biblical authors "couldn't agree" when it came to the census just ignores alot of nuance and complexity of satan being used as a divine mediator for Yahweh and dumbs the issue down so much to the point where it sounds stupid when it's actually really interesting, overall pretty solid video testify, looking foward to the next one!
@Testify It's definitely not, and it wasn't a problem for me when I was a Christian, HK thinks this is a silver bullet for some reason tho which is weird.
So small scribal errors are not a big deal? Seriously? This is how you solve contradictions? By saying there are errors in the bible, thereby concluding that it is something different than what was inspired by god??
There's a part of me that looks at the youtube counter-apologist crowd and atheists in general as being the biggest buzzkill ever. "Here, let me rob you of hope of eternal life." Like OK you have nothing better to do with your time?
@@mcable217 I'm not legislating anything, nor am I interested in doing so, but I'll thank you to please not include people you don't know in blanket statements.
@@mcable217Legislating away what rights? The right to abortion? With all due respect, but abortion is a very complicated issue that has a lot of arguments both for and against it, from both Christians and non-Christians alike. Not all people who are pro-life are necessary Christians. So please, stop villainizing Christians for seeing things differently than you do and voting for the policies that reflect their beliefs.
I had to look for response to this guy beings I'm not that knowledgeable in scripture, I'm a Christian though. He says there's no proof of Israelites being slaves in Egypt, no burials or anything. There's no proof of Exodus. And how did all those millions of jews hide in such Lil area from Egypt to Israel, he makes some good points.
You responded to his video and literally agreed with what his video actually said. What you did was negate the fundamental premise that Scripture is inerrant & infallible. Your stance was “those Scripture errors aren’t important to the larger narrative”. However, that ideology opens the door to wondering if the important parts have errors as well, you’ve built your trust on the Word (which is now showing cracks). You cherry picked this video thinking it would be a slam dunk, but really you just confirmed what he said. The one he did on Moses/Israelites/Exodus is the one that I guarantee no one tries to debunk.
The real question is whether the Bible supposed to be the inherent word of God or not. If it is a human book attempting to claim historical facts, points of view and errors are acceptable. However, if the claim is, that is the inherent word of God, any inaccuracies, no matter how small or mundane, is a a significant problem. growing up, I was always told the Bible is perfect. Anything that are perceived as a problem, was a problem with me in my interpretation. While numerical differences are easy to explain away, they also chip away the problem that the Bible is not perfect. cheers. PS, this is one of the best defending the Bible videos that I’ve seen. I still think that all the facts lie against the Bible not being perfect. what this means for my faith or my future being a Christian, I’m still trying to figure out.
I do believe that God does speak through His Word and the various different denominations (in my opinion) are that people "agree to disagree" with God in the way that He defines Truth. The contradiction is often on man's side and not God's.... I do see where a lot of people may claim to be led by the Holy Spirit and yet be as seemingly as far apart as the east is from the west. I think it is due to our emotions being confused with the Holy Spirit. I don't believe that God willed all things in His Sovereignty to basically turn us into robots with no choice but to do His bidding and then hold humans accountable to an understanding that they (under God's control) would not be able to rationalize what Good News actually IS. That being said...the Bible didn't bleed on the cross for the sins of the world. Jesus did.. 😇🙏💪
"The contradiction is often on man's side and not God's...." That is a problem though. Afterall it is claimed that the bible is the word of God. It would be much different if you would say the bible contains the message of God. But if it is the word of God how can contradictions from man's side be in there? Then it can't be the word of God.
@@nezz0r Jesus IS The Word made flesh. Jesus claimed to be Truth. Context. The Bible didn't die on the cross to be our sacrifice... I gotta get 2 hrs of sleep before work...but just saw this and figured I'd respond. 😊
@@nezz0r the Bible is inspired by God..and yes....written by man. And whether you find fault with God for allowing free will so that we aren't robots...that have no choice but do wo what is decreed by a Holy Puppeteer...or you find fault with man cuz we still haven't figured out how to get rid of sin on our own (outside of just suppressing the truth) OR you have determined that God is non existent...(and I'm not claiming you to be in any of these camps).... The Gospel (if you believe that God IS real and CAN be trusted)...is God's power unto salvation. What is it that you believe?
@@mrupholsteryman Why don't you answer my question? Is the bible the word of God or does the bible contain the message of God. If it is the latter then errors can happen as long as the message is not damaged but if it is the the former then such errors can't happen. At least not if the biblical God is perfect or has the traits: Omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience. Well, the only other option is he made such errors on purpose but by doing so he would cause confusion which would create a problem with that line here: 1 Corinthians 14:33 "33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." I believe that there is a supreme Creator but after reading the bible I doubt that the one mentioned in there is that supreme Creator.
Ultimately, it's impossible to find a contradiction in the scripture that will be seen as one by a biblical inerrantist. Because any given contradiction will be justified by an unfalsifiable assertion.
One could be a weak inerrantist in the sense that if they saw a contradiction they'd be willing to change their mind and their view of inspiration. Also, not all Christians are inerrantists and what I'm arguing here is that good faith errors or copyist errors constitute a reason to distrust the historical accounts, nor even jettison the idea that the Bible is inspired.
@@TestifyApologetics Okay, I'll be honest, I don't really know what your position is, nor the position of most 'inerrantists', as they only rarely actually define their position. I think the slipperiness of the terms being used are creating confusion here. Let's let go of the term 'inerrant' as a strict definition, as it causes confusion. But let's still interrogate the general principle behind 'inerrancy'. A christian can fall into several camps: Belief that every word as written in a given extant copy of scripture is the literal Word of God, and therefore perfect; Belief that on the instant of writing the words by the original author, the words were the literal Word of God, and therefore perfect; Belief that though the mind of the author contained the literal Word of God, the author, faulty as he was, failed to accurately transcribe that Word, and therefore no scripture has ever been perfect; Belief that the scripture is not divinely inspired by God, and therefore is not perfect. I think that's logically complete. Now, from where I stand, both the first and second camp might claim to be 'inerrantists'. But the first claim is obviously ludicrous, I hope you agree, and the second claim is simply unimpressive. If all that is required is that the first draft was perfect, surely all that need be done is some unscrupulous scribe add a couple of lines here, or take out a fact there, and the majority of the content of scripture could be non-divine fabrications. So, the age of Jehoiachin, might have been 8, 18, or 21. Some scribe might have added the age in for his own reasons over 2000 years ago, and the next scribe copied that one, and so on and so forth. We know that happened with John 8:7, why not for any number of other verses? Perhaps even doctrinally significant passages, what reason could you have to say otherwise?
One thing to note about the Jehoaikin contraditction which I have heard but cannot confirm is that most of the manuscripts we have of Jehoiakin being 8 are syraic manuscripts, not hebrew, which if true would deny his claim that we are "ignoring the oldest hebrew manuscripts". Another thing to note about hebrew is that it uses letters as a numbering system. The consonant used to indicate 10 is the consonant "yod" which looks like an apostrophe and could be very easy to miss.
Self correction: turns out most of the hebrew manuscripts of 2 chronicles: 36 do say 8. However, this could be a copyist error like you mentioned or just the "yod" having been faded on the original paper over time.
Which is more difficult? Inspire the writing of the Bible, or keep copies true to inspiration? From the author of this video we learn that God made the effort to inspire the original texts, but then neglected to keep the originals intact or even to keep correct copies. Furthermore, the way the author of this video circumvents the contradictions, making a non-literal interpretation of the passages in question, contrasts with the way he interprets the remaining passages, which he already interprets literally. What if he took the same approach to the entire Bible and interpreted it all in a non-literal, relativistic way?
The second "debunking" is a big deal. You say it's a copy error. That's the whole point many atheist and agnostic people make. Fundamentalist Christians constantly talk about how pure the Bible is and that if there's mistakes it just means you have to read it more to understand. Others say "this was written by man... why do we assume everything about it is right or even from God at all?" Even something as simple as errors means is not divinely written or perfectly transcripted. For Christians who want to change society or attack groups of people due to how "holy and timeless" the words are, this is a problem.
I wish that the discrepancy in 2 Samuel 24 vs 1 Chronicle 21 was explained so easily. A few things you’d have to take into consideration: A. The chronological order of the books in its original form from the Tanak, not how they were rearranged for the Old Testament. B. The consequences that The tribes faced from God after David took the census. Chronicles is the last book of the Tanak and was written long after the previously written 2 Samuel. This story in Chronicles is a re-telling of the same story from 2 Samuel, but not identical. In the earlier telling of the story, the author/editors have God dishing out a punishment to the tribes of Israel for David taking a census, which is strange because in this story God is the one who told David to take the census in the 1st place. However in the re-telling, the author/editor doesn’t seem quite comfortable with God telling David to do something and then punishing/killing people of Israel for something God commanded, so a different story is told… a story in which Satan is the one who who had David take the census, showing that David did not trust God for victory in battle, therefore God punished Israel… which makes more sense. It’s definitely a discrepancy and forces us to wrestle with the nature of the Bible and what we can expect from it and those who penned it. If in fact we deem it to be the “Word of God,” we’d still have to wrestle with what it means for it to be told in human words.
@@TestifyApologetics Was referring to the point by point responses, which are always great and on target regardless of video length. Looking forward to the one on the Gospels!
So the very first contradiction in the video is literally just ignored and you are like "yeah it's no big deal, just some scribal error" as if that doesn't still mean it's a contradiction... And it's the same with the rest of these contradictions. You just waived them off like no big deal because they are scribal errors... They are still contradictions, obviously both can't be true, so at least of of them is wrong, but that just proves that these are contradictions and you can't deny that.
The point is that even where there are good faith scribal mistakes, one can still figure out through context what the book means to say. When you work out the context, the books no longer contradict but vindicate each other.
Hey! Agnostic here with a real question in good faith: I want to repeat your stance to make sure that I am understanding it correctly, and please do correct me if I am wrong. Your stance is that the age of Jehoiachin is an authentic contradiction, inasmuch as its a scribal error? You just think that the author of Kings and the author of Chronicles actually agree in the original manuscripts, but some early scribal error caused this contradiction that is found in the manuscripts that we have today? If I accurately summarized your position, I guess I'd ask why you think that? Is this just something that you take on faith? IE, you presuppose that the original bible manuscripts contained no errors, therefore, any error we find today must be a scribal error?
I said that the difference between 18 and 8 is basically a small stroke of the pen, and there are other verses that show he was 18 and not 8 based on his behavior. So it's not hard to infer this was very likely a minor scribal error.
@@TestifyApologetics I'm not sure that I am on board with the "small stroke of the pen" thesis. A brief Google shows 2 Chronicles 36:9 as having the word "eight" written out: שְׁמוֹנֶ֤ה. Meanwhile, 2 Kings 24:8 has the word "eighteen" written out: שְׁמֹנֶ֨ה עֶשְׂרֵ֤ה. This could totally still be a scribal error, but its more than a minor stroke of a pen and I would again ask what convinces you that this is a scribal error? Is it faith that the original manuscripts could not possibly contain errors? Because it seems equally likely to me that this is an early scribal error tha became canonized (and what does this say about the possibility of other early scribal errors changing other texts?) vs this being a legitimate error written down in the original manuscript. And as far as I can tell, I have no way of being able to tell if this is an original manuscript error or an early scribal error.
When we Christians say that the Bible isn't in error, we don't typically mean that there are no small errors in the translating. We mean that there is no content in the Bible that is just wrong when translated properly.
@@macmac1022 Thanks! I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I do enjoy looking into this stuff. I have a whole video on my channel where I disagree with Testify's opinion about the use of the greek word for "land" as described in the census story in the birth narrative.
It's interesting how Thomas tries to use KJV for the trying to find contradictions and tries to bash NIV for editing it but at the same time, he in the past has used NIV to allegedly proving Joshua and Judges narrative historicity false
Thanks for this, I watched this video a few days ago and haven't bothered trying to reconcile most of the contradictions, it didnt really affect me that much though
Testify- if your god has had eternity to conclude his message to his people ! Can you tell me why after thousands of years he couldn’t convey it to us all and why we are all left with a shitshow of discussion because his message is unclear!! As a human I could given the power convey my message in a much more superior way
I don't think so. The bible is a proven fairytale. All you have to do is compare the oldest known bibles with today's. They are very different. Not possible if it really was god's word.
They're applying an Islamic understanding of inerrancy. Inerrancy in Christianity means that the message is inerrant, not the words on a piece of paper. This is why Islam believes that only the Arabic Quran is the "proper" Quran while Christianity has no problem with translating the Bible to any other language and using that as their day to day text. Only when you start wrestling every little nugget of Theology out of it do you need to go to the original Greek. Even then, there are plenty of commentaries that have already done the work and explain the various meanings of Greek words.
There is a problem with numerical errors in the Bible because you claim it to inspired by a God that cannot be wrong, if this claim wasn't made i agree errors are fine as humans make mistakes, but that's not your claim as christians you claim the Bible is of Divine origin and given directly to men from a God that cannot lie or be wrong so if he can't do those things then why are there errors. if you it can contain errors then you have a really big question which is which scriptures are errors and which are not, did Jesus die for all sin is that truth or an error how do you know.
@@spraycheese1383 No 2+2 is 4, if the Bible says 2+2 is 9 it's wrong and not of divine origin, the Bible gets numbers wrong all the time from diffrent sizes of tribes and troops, to different temple sizes and it even gets Pi wrong, this isn't a fallacy, if God gives you this information and he cannot be wrong yet is wrong then the Bible is not inspired by a God, rather written by poorly educated men who can't do math, and have a poor understanding of science.
@@ryan62011 well then this is a strawman of the view of divine revelation. We’re not Muslims, we don’t think the Bible fell from heaven and was given in revelations. Either way, logical fallacies.
@@spraycheese1383 Do you even know what different types of arguments are, or are you just throwing terms out there hoping they stick as it's not a strawman argument either, it is a fact Christians state that God himself who is all knowing directly inspired the writers of the Bible to write what they did, therefore if your source of information if from an all Knowing God and he is wrong, then the people who wrote the bible and claimed it was God guideing them are one of 3 things, liars, deluded, or mentally ill, i don't know why you are claiming it's Muslims that believe in divine revelation when, Christians do aswell, as proven by the book of Daniel when he is directly inspired by God to write and he states he doesn't understand what he is writing giving the impression that the words are not from him but from God, and guess what that book is full of historical issues that don't match actual history.
@@ryan62011 again, you misrepresent divine inspiration in a desperate attempt to make yourself look intelligent. We do not believe the “source” of the Bible is God. Your “fact” is actually not a fact. Even early church fathers state that scripture was written by men using their own devices. Which is why there are many genres in scripture. Again, you confuse diving inspiration with how Muslims view it. We do not believe God himself gave use the Bible, that is a Muslim belief with their Quran. If you are going to be going after a book and religion, at the very least make sure you represent them accurately.
Regarding the last point: "there are tens of thousand of christian denominations". What a way to miss the point. Your response is "well, is not exactly 40000 theologically different denominations". But I don't need 40000 to make my point, two different denominations are enough. The point is that the bible is not clear and it can be interpreted in different ways. You only need to look at the heated debates between catholics and evangelicals and the way both sides extensively quote the bible against each other. And their differences are theoligical, not just minor issues. Are priest allowed to marry or not? Does the pope speaks infallibly in matters of doctrine or not? Can you pray to Mary? The list of disagreement is quite large. One would assume that if God wanted to reveal the truth to manking he would not cause such confusion.
With his ‘God hating gays and diff trees’ comment. For the fig part, if he’s referring to when Jesus killed a fig tree for not bearing fruit like the others, aside from the parable, that tree not fruiting with the others is a sign it’s sick, which would have been cut down and moved away as to not spread whatever hit has.
@@Abcde7213 Just went to double check and you’re right. But then I looked at an explanation of it and it showed that fig trees at that time would at least produce edible buds. Which it did not have at the time thus won’t produce fruits anyways.
You didn't really "bust" any of the contradictions, you just gave an excuse for why it's ok for there to be some kinds of contradictions. Holy Kool-Aid's main point, that the Bible is a human book, with human origins, still stands.
You are just another hitchenite, aki. This wasn't an excuse. If you even watched the video and not just snippets, these are scribal errors which are not contractions to begin with. To use them with a priori assumptions that the bible contains errors, and then work your way fallaciously to as to conflating scribal errors as contractions, really scream hitchenitism logic and not critical reading of the text. And no disputes that the bible was written by men. Try harder, hitchenite aki.
this is a nice rebuttal to holy koolaid videos. unfortunately the "inerrancy" of the bible along with the fact that a lot of these events are from records plagiarized from other historical clay and stone inscriptions while others have no proof of ever having occurred makes your "minor scribble error are inconsequential to Christian doctrine" summation dishonest. why not provide info that actually debunks holy koolaid on bible contradictions.
Worth noting that "satan" is not always a name in Hebrew, it is a word meaning "accuser" God indeed was called "the satan" meaning "the accuser" of these people.
Inerrancy is not even necessary for the text to contain the truth, there is a God that loves us. But it sure is a wonder that a LOT of the information contained in the Bible can be shown to be correct or supported with ease by simple knowledge of ancient Israelite context.
Could you do an episode on "Who is Yahweh - How a Warrior-Storm God became the God of the Israelites and World Monotheism" by ESOTERICA ? I am quite skeptical of his claims and it kinda reminds me how Atheists tried to relate Christianity to Zoroastrianism which I know is wrong.
Is it wrong, or hard to accept? Yahweh is a lesser god to a larger pantheon, including his father, El, the most high god of the Canaanite pantheon. It was later that El and Yahweh were combined. It’s not common knowledge, but is widely accepted by archeologists and anthropologists. Look into it, it’s fascinating. It makes sense too when reading Genesis again. When the gods say “we”, they mean it. It’s polytheistic.
@@SamAdamsGhost is it your belief that god gave his people commandments for things they weren’t doing? Do you think Yahweh was threatened by the worship of nonexistent gods?
9:45 If the only record of these events is in the Bible and the Bible has errors then the entire religion falls apart. Original sin, the messiah prophecy, Jesus’ sacrifice all means nothing if the book it comes from is filled with errors and mistakes. Why would anyone base their life on a book with knowledge that parts of it are untrue or inaccurate? And it’s supposed to be a message from a perfect God?? This video did not refute anything. It just goes to show Christians know the Bible is the words of men, not the word of God but they still blindly trust it! Utter stupidity 😅
I have a serious question if I remember correctly when Jesus came around in the Bible he made it that the rules of the Old Testament did not apply so why is it when I hear a lot of people say being homosexual or lesbian is a sin they quote the Old Testament by that logic if we’re following rules from the Old Testament should we also not wear clothes of two different materials
I believe most would explain some laws as being universal and timeless. No one seems to have a problem with “do not murder” or “do not steal” being Old Testament laws, but still applying to today.
Brilliant refutation. I like videos that coherently explain the doctrines of the true Catholic faith like this one. It's shameful how much skeptics take seriously contradictions as if Christianity hasn't existed for the last 2000 years and doctors of the church haven't answered their questions. I regards to protestant denominations once you take into account the various different nations they currently reside in and even minor ecclesiastical disputes theirs only 10 protestant denominations. Denominationalism is blown out of proportion from skeptics as if Jesus simply is looking down at us and seeing who believes in paedo baptism rather than creedo. I think fundamentally amongst all protestant denominations is the same doctrines if sufficiency of Scripture, The trinity faith alone and the necessity of the cross for salvation. The disputes come from sporadic interpretations of Holy writ which when actually studied coherently and honestly doesn't not teach lgtbq acceptance or extreme hatred of gays. But honestly theirs only 10
That first contradiction isn't a contradiction because in the period before the second temple, Satan didn't mean a fallen being, it meant opposer. So God is just being a ha Shatan to David.
Sorry but the Bible is full of contradictions for me the biggest is the new testament Paul, he is held in such high regard yet Paul definatley taught against the teachings of Jesus, what did Jesus say i come not to abolish the law, the law stated not to eat meat sacrificed to idols or blood or strangled, Paul taught eat what you want up to you, that was against the Mosaic Law that Jesus himself Followed, the Apostles even told Paul to show the people you don't actually believe what you taught about food sacrificed to idols this go purify yourself, if Paul had taught nothing wrong why did he need to purify himself.
Well if the book has more errors than any book in the Bible then why are you believing anything in the book if you admit that multiple books and their Source texts have tons and tons of Errors then you have to throw the whole thing out because it's not reliable but I'm dealing with someone who has absolutely no integrity at all
The *original manuscripts* were inerrant, is what I hold. I happen to also think it was transmitted reliably, even if not letter-perfectly in every copy. We can cross-check multiple copies, however.
@@macmac1022 OK I’ll be more respectful. Scrabble errors are spelling errors or numbering errors within the copying process, pretty much all ancient documents have them, The Bible has thousands but they’re very minor, and less than 1% of them actually affect any doctrine, most of them are the most minor of minor of spelling errors, for instance one of the ones that you named 8 and 18, do you see how easy that is to get mixed up, only one Number, imagine if you’re doing copies hand by hand you’re doing a bunch of copies and you accidentally missed one letter, that would be considered a scrabble error, or you accidentally spilled ink in a certain place and you can’t see one letter, that would be a scrabble error, it’s incredibly minor, no scrabble errors are not contradictions, they are very very minor issues in the copping process but you can’t say because you can find contradictions in the copying process therefore this contradictions in the Bible, Thomas really should’ve done more research before he made the video. I apologize for not being the most respectful you genuinely do seem like you wanna know what it is, but you kind of got on my nerves because you kept spamming the same comment over and over again, did you watch the video Eric also explains it pretty well. Well you are objectively wrong, so there really is no if, so what if there’s a few scribal errors very minor minor spelling errors in the copping process of the Bible? No one claims of the manuscripts are inspired, this only applies to Muslims. Because I already answered you and keep spamming the same thing over and over again and doing it for your own good and you’re only making yourself look ignorant. Not your framing it as if what you’re saying is being silenced and I’m trying to stop you from spreading the truth, OK that’s not exactly what you said but that’s kind of what you’re getting out or at least what sounds like you’re getting at. I have they’re not personal attacks, there attacks on your understanding, why don’t you ask him what’s the video. Oh come on. I didn’t call you names, arrogance and accusing you spewing nonsense is attack on what you’re spewing, and yes I contact your character for being ignorant when is relevant to what you’re saying. OK buddy come on.
@@pleaseenteraname1103Scrabble [sic] error??? Of course the correct spelling is "scribal". [It is NOT a popular board game...^^] It is either disgusting intellectual laziness or willful obtuseness to write that word incorrectly REPEATEDLY when many other people have previously typed it properly... so give the scribes a break for an occasional accidental error.
Hello there. There's this TH-camr known as Max Derrat who's made a few videos about Christianity that might be worth giving your attention to(mind you, he's not a Christian). I'm curious about what your responses are to some of the philosophical claims he makes.
In 2 SUPPLEMENTS (2 Chronicles) 36:9 in the New English Translation of the Septuigent it has his name as Iechonias and he began his reign at the age of 18. In 4 REIGNS (2 kings) 24:8 it has his name as Ioakim and began his reign at 18. This is translated from a much older source than the Hebrew texts we have today.
"Small differences in historical accounts are normal and it doesn't mean that their documents are just unreliable" For normal historical accounts, sure. However, I'm sure the rules are different for historical accounts inspired by a perfect God...
god is genderless, since you have no proof he is organic. Also was Jesus really white like those Americans say? doubt it lol. I left christianity after age 10 when I realized it genocided my own culture and made my people hateful.
my people before christianity: open minded and not homophobes etc. after christianity: sad and disrespectful to past culture and ancestors, homophobic and hateful bootlicking colonization etc.
If I say a woman bit the BACK OF her neck to blame her boyfriend, would you say it's impossible? It happened. Wana know how? ???? Look up meaning of bit . She pinched her neck with her false teeth. No contradiction.
Not roman Catholic, but holy koolaid doesnt accurately represent what Roman Catholics believe. The Scriptures always teach the truth, which means its without error. Scribal errors are consistent with that, because scribes arent prophets. Did Holy KoolAid never know about scribal errors? Thats just ignorance on his part, because inerrancy means the original writings of prophets, not scribes or translations. So if he held to some tiny group that thought some translation was without error, that view has been refuted by Christians many times. The Reformers of thr Protestant Reformation didnt teach that a specific translation was without errror.
The claim that the entire earth flooded, killing all but 8 people isn't a scribe error. It's a flat out falsehood that proves the bible is not the infallible word of god.
I love so called “contradictions.” I’m hardly nervous or afraid of them. Then again I enjoy making foolish ppl look stoopid sooo . Btw, it’s not a copyist error.
@@Mifojei my take on it is Jehoiachin was named co-king at 8 when his father was in power. At 18 he became sole king after his father died. Most deniers don’t realize that David appointed Solomon king while he was still alive and Jotham became king when his father Uzziah was sick so it’s very plausible to me that both are correct. U could call it ensuring the throne I suppose. While I understand that copyist errors are too possible, I’m also aware of how strictly and seriously the Jws took writing their scripture, be it duplicates or not, throwing it ALL out if they so much as made a jot or tiddle mistake so that’s why I don’t think it’s an error. It’s certainly what the Jws believe according to my research.
@@temporaryaccount5307 Yea, you're right. There seems to be a good argument for co-regency causing the many "contradictions" in Kings and Chronicles. Thanks
The fact that you have to explain it means it is not an inerrent book. There are contradictions. If god existed surely he would have allowed the Bible to be perfect so that it would be known it was his word.
Strange that the one true God can't manage to put together one true book that isn't filled with discrepancies, confusion and inconsistency. Perhaps he was having an off day?
@@TestifyApologetics "oh no how dare God ask us to use our minds" That's hilarious, given that your bible tells you the literal opposite in Proverbs 3:5-6. So, who's wrong here, you or your fantasy book?
The Bible is infallible but none that arent chosen by God as the elect will be able to correctly understand or believe His Word. As for those that were "Christian" but had their faith shaken to the point of apostasy by so called contradictions they were never among the elect in the first place for if they were they wouldnt have left. I love Biblical scholarship as much as anyone, it is my favorite subject to read and study but it really doesnt matter, Gods Word isnt a debate topic it is the power of God unto salvation and all those that belong to Christ that hear it will believe it. The rest can have fun here on earth for now, wasting their short time alive further condemning themselves, I pray God will have mercy on their souls.
We know that in the past God communicated to His people through prophets at many times in various ways, but now in these last days He has has spoken to us by His son Jesus. The exact way that something is communicated will not be perfect when it is delivered by fallible men, but the message is perfect because the One who spoke it is perfect. We also know that in whatever ways a man is imperfect, Jesus is completely perfect and His Word is as perfect as His message.
It almost seems like this perfect god is intentionally using a method that will confuse and make people leave the faith despite him supposedly being all knowing, present everywhere, and all powerful. Which means he would be able to make a “perfect” version of the Bible and make everyone have the ability to read it
I actually believe that Satan in 1 chronicles is the Angel of the LORD, the word Satan in that passage is a rare instance where the definite article is not paired with the noun Satan and the other place where it’s the same case is in Numbers 22 where the Angel of the LORD is standing in Balaams way as an adversary (Satan). The writer of chronicles seems to be doing this intentionally to identify “Satan” as the Angel.
Correction. I think it's Ezekiel 19:5-9 at 04:51, not Exodus.
Ugh. Definitely meant to say Ezekiel as I had the book of Ezekiel in the footage. Looks like my wires got crossed. I wish I noticed and re-recorded. Obviously Jehoiachin wouldn't be around for centuries. Clearly I wasn't inerrant there. 😳
@@TestifyApologetics Hey, we all make mistakes no need to beat yourself up for this. This video it is still a great and entertaining recourse for believers around the globe. Keep them coming, and testifying the name of the Lord who is perfect!
Amen also joint rulership was common in the iron age middle east
@@TestifyApologetics perhaps it's not so outlandish that the bible authors also made some mistakes.
@@TestifyApologetics Haha gee it’s almost like those proving the Divine Will of God can make mistakes sometimes 🤡 😂 God keep you and your loved ones and those you pray for in Jesus Name 🙌 it’s funny how He makes examples of things. Through the bad God makes good! Lean on Christ!
The second he said "God hates censuses, gay people, and fig trees," I knew he didn't even try to understand scripture.
Having to "understand Scripture" is proof that your God is an incompetent boob that can't get their message out clearly.
@@BrianRouleau-hl8jyyou dropped your fedora mate
Sounded like...a joke, you know....
@@antoniu9757 It is bordering on misinformation, though. "God hates gay people" is a harmful misrepresentation of scripture, and we don't need Atheists taking the same hard stance as the stereotypical Westboro Baptists.
@@antoniu9757 No, it didn't. Atheists say things like that all the time because they have a different set of morals than Christians.
You and IP are the reasons why I converted to orthodoxy thank you very much ! 🙏
Great to hear! What was your background before?
@@TestifyApologetics Grew up in a catholic family was a christian then an atheist then an agnostic after that i became a born again christian by being a protestant then I converted to orthodoxy, I felt like I was in my proper place in Orthodoxy much more than in Protestantism
@@Silver_is_disappointed_in_youI find some very beautiful aspects in Orthodoxy and it sure beats atheism and agnosticism!
@@TestifyApologetics By a long shot !
Im not hating but I am curious as to why your youtube account was just created 3 days ago. Did you use a different one before or did you binge IP and Testify?
You beat me to the punch on this one... bible contradictions are some of my favorite topics. Glad to see it covered!
Love your videos brother ! 🙏
@@Silver_is_disappointed_in_you Thank you!
Covered is a loose term here lol
Hey man, I've been going through my first real doubts in my faith since I converted 4ish years ago. Your channel along with others has answered so many of my questions as well as strengthened my faith. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart for what you do
Praise God. I'm humbled! Thank you for sharing, it's very encouraging. I never know who's really watching or what effect I'm having fully, so thanks. I'm screenshotting this and saving it to my "hey this is what it's all about" file.
I hope you check out Christian scholar Michael Heiser, he really helped me understand the Bible in a different light.
@@TetrahedronIX heard of him, mainly due to his unfortunately recent passing, but I've heard good things regardless. Any recommendations?
@@TestifyApologetics Galileo Galilei was persecuted --- and Giordano Bruno was burned on the stake because they contradicted . . . *Joshua 10.12-13; 20* “On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord: 'Sun, *STAND STILL* over Gibeon, and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.' So the *sun* _STOOD STILL,_ and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies . . . "
Finding your TH-cam channel was a big part of why I kept my faith regarding the Bible, so thanks Erik!
Glad to hear it!
Well said brother. I've spent too much time telling skeptics and atheists, "stop only listening to Holy Kooliad, take in other content with opposing views." Definitely recommending this.
@@macmac1022 Scribal errors are not the same as contradictions. If I write a thesis paper, and have someone copy it, and they add a number or letter in error, do we then assume my entire thesis is unreliable, the arguments flawed, the history made-up, and shouldn’t be considered as factual, all based on a typo? You wouldn’t treat any other historical document with that insane level of scrutiny, so why treat the Bible different? If we had the original manuscript, fine, but we don’t, we have to rely and copyists, who can error. Given the extreme levels of attention given, and the scholarship behind it, we can surmise what was written is very close to the original. The important factor is, had the original essential message been maintained, and evidence would suggest, yes.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry because isn't the bible the infallible word of God?
@@tomhardy8967 Infallible in its authoritativeness and direction to make one wise to salvation. Because some copyist 2 centuries ago wrote one wrong number, or misspelled a word, doesn't mean we throw out everything.
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Sooo holy koolaid was right then. The bible is contradictional.
Man, holy kool-aid is so good at what he does it's scary. It hurts me every time I see his videos with his baseless claims being taken as truth by millions
Just prior to entering a monastery, I was shown a lot of biblical criticism...it really harmed my faith and it felt quite painful..I left the monastery and fell away for a bit (still having belief somewhat but barely holding on) so thanks for these videos.
Thanks for sharing this! I'm saving this to my "this is what it's all about" file.
Textual critics mostly operate in the realm of feelings, as if we don't have real, actual history to which these texts are connected. The existence of the people who became called the Samaritans is a big example of that. If you take the "documentary hypothesis," these people took a mostly foreign religion and adopted the bits that made them the bad guys, according to what the texts already said about them, and even went to the trouble of rewriting the text in an antique script to do it!
Yes, get all the delusional together so you can feel better amongst yourselves.
@@BrianRouleau-hl8jy don’t cut yourself on that edge.
@@NZRadioFan69"Christians tend to get nervous or defensive"....check the mirror.
Knowing of memes you tend to post, here's one that came to mind after watching:
"If there are 40,000 Christian denominations, name 100!"
"Church of Christ!"
"That's on me, I set the bar too low."
If Holy Kool-Aid keeps hammering the 'denomination' button, it may do well to emphasize the different meanings of 'denomination' as done in that study you mentioned vs. the more common understanding of a 'religious denomination'. Up to you, of course. :)
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Thanks for these vids!
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"He says that the dress is white and gold, she says the dress is blue and black... therefore the dress doesn't exist!"
@@wyatttyson7737 nobody said that, you are strawmanning atheists there. Its not "therefore dress doesnt exist" but "therefore both od them cant be right at the same time"
@@magnificentuniverse3085 Which they are using as an argument that God doesn't exist, not because they are simply concerned with interdenominational disagreements
@@briandiehl9257 You got, me hahaha that was my immediate thought after my comment. You are right, that would be a giant unjustified leap
Awesome videos brother. One of my favorite quotes on textual criticism (paraphrasing, on the reliability of NT specifically) is from Dam Wallace: ‘The situation is as if we have a 100 piece jigsaw puzzle, but we have 110 pieces’
1:25 The story about God's punishment for the census of David is certainly a perplexing one for us today, but keep in mind, there is still a lot we don't quite understand about the Old Testament cultural context. Notice how in the story, David is immediately "conscience-striken" and repents upon hearing about it, even going as far as saying that he has done "a very foolish thing". So while God's reason for being so angry is not entirely clear, it is very clear that David knew in his heart that he did something wrong, and willingly accepted God's punishment.
Why exactly the census was so bad in God's eyes, we don't know, but our best guess would be that it was because of pride. David probably counted all the armies in order to pride himself with the might of his military force.
So while this passage is indeed bizare for us today, we shouldn't jump to making hasty conclusions about God, based on an event that we frankly don't understand very well.
It would also increase Davids power over the people. Samuel warned that Kings would steal their wealth. A census is only for taxation so perhaps David was looking to steal money via taxation for himself. Greed.
Perhaps the census was rooted in pagan rituals in the surrounding nations. God wanted Israel to be separate.
Each time you see a King of Israel change to foreign Gods it was to enrich themselves. God had a lot of restrictions on land, inheritance and debts. Other dietes allowed usury and land enclosure. Historically Manasseh is shown to have turned huge areas of grazing land into olive groves to pay for the tribute levied on him by foreign powers. The taxes and money in the bronze and early iron ages all were paid into temples.
Foreign gods. David could easily have been moving towards pagan worship with the census
It’s the same situation as Judges 1-4.
It’s very simple. The reason why God was angry at the census taking (and why Joab was also angry with it) was because God had already repeatedly proved to his people that he could accomplish his will with a very small number. He didn’t need vast numbers of soldiers to defeat large armies.
So when David was coming to the end of his life, he ordered a census because his faith in God was weak. David didn’t believe God would be with his people as he had been during David’s life, therefore, David wanted to know how many people and warriors he had, hoping it would be a sufficient number.
God was angry with David because the old King should have had stronger faith in him, especially after seeing him through so many hardships with only a small number of faithful followers.
Holy Kool Aid and his ilk like to trot out answered contradictions with new graphics and pretend like it's a slam dunk. He needs to calm down and go outside.
@@macmac1022 There are other sources out there that also address these. You are basically just saying you disagree and doing some mental gymnastics. The scribal errors do not change the meanings of the text and they are not contradictions. Pay attention to the video instead of sending out a knee jerk response, please.
@@macmac1022 Just because you don't like the answers because that means you have fewer excuses not to trust the Bible does not mean the answers are wrong.
In regards to "inerrancy" what I was taught growing up is that scripture *as it was originally given* (i.e. the original manuscripts) were inerrant. Translators and scribes make errors. Thankfully, we have enough manuscripts and scraps to confidently think we at least have the intended revelation, but we can't say with confidence that a contemporary manuscript or translation is necessarily inerrant.
Bingo. Plus, even if we grant the errors in our copies, it doesn’t disprove inerrancy and even Ehrman would admit, with as far back as we can go, the Bible of today matches back then, at least in the New Testament.
@@deadalivemaniac If the copies are not inerrant then we don't need to disprove the inerrancy of the original, it's up to you to prove it was inerrant. You don't just get to assume that it was.
I posted this on my own comment but again…why would God allow scribing errors for a text that was divinely inspired? That is what does not make sense and also what sets the Bible apart from other texts. Historical records about Caesar are not the same and should not have the same guidelines as the inerrant word of God.
@@joshake2434 due to the mass variety of manuscripts, codices, and fragments, available, and the field of textual criticism, we know that mistakes, corruptions, and interpolations occur, but we also are able to reasonably construct the originals. God preserved His inerrant Word, but was able to do so without turning humans into robots or usurping the freewill He gave us.
@@voymasa7980 that’s just not true. You’re trying to have your cake and eat it too. It cannot both be divinely preserved AND contain errors. It is not possible. Even if you argue that in the last 100 years we have discovered original texts, it doesn’t change that for over 1,000 years there were multiple sects of the Christian faith that were utilizing a “holy book” that was riddled with errors. Why would an all-knowing God allow that? And again…it was not divinely preserved. Needing to piece together thousands of scraps to figure out what the original texts were is in no way “preserved”.
So glad someone is finally doing Holy Kool aid, I've been waiting for someone to respond to his videos.
As a Catholic, the one polemic that I find myself correcting my fellow Catholics on is the claim that "there are 30,000 different denominations." In reality, there are only maybe a handful of Christian denominations that have substantial doctrinal differences. I still think that's too many, but it's still not as wild as 30,000
Catholicism perverts the gospel. You are not saved if you are trusting in your good works to save you.
@@phoenixgamer1565 we don't believe in good works :)
@@phoenixgamer1565 , it’s the true, holy and apostolic Church.
I was raised that the Bible was perfect and with out error.
So now your telling me it’s not perfect and without error.
Nice.
Don't listen to this wannabe theologian. He is no bible scholar...
Holy Kool-Aid does an excellent job exposing the cult-like KJV-only churches. From what I know of HK, this seems to be the type of Church he came from before his conversion to Athisim. It seems HK left one polar position for another, sadly neither of these sides is sound in logic or reason on this topic,.Testify skillfully points this out in this response, well done.
Man you spoke my mind. I think Evangelical (American) Christianity is a strong breeding ground for Atheism
It seems to be a common trend that many outspoken Internet/TH-cam atheists were formerly fundamentalist evangelical. Rarely do I come across someone like Holy Koolaid or MythVision Podcost who was raised Roman Catholic or Orthodox. In fact, I can't think of a single person who fits that criteria.
@@joshua_wherley Alex O'Connor one of the most popular outspoken atheists grew up Catholic.
@@DopeMope I remember him mentioning that now, thank you for reminding me.
@joshua_wherley every catholic I know is secular and treats God as a crutch. I grew up catholic and went to a catholic school, never heard the gospel there despite having plays of Jesus crucifixion every year. Try another one.
What I find fascinating is that exvangelics, like Koolaid, basically just switch worldview but do exactly what they did as Christian’s but now proselytize atheism. Disregarding my own assumptions about the quality of his proselytizing based on what it is now, I’m always intrigued by why they care so much about that sharing of truth. Like, as atheists, why do correct beliefs on metaphysics, worldviews, or epistemology even matter in a world where survival skills are most fundamental? Just weird, man.
It’s the Spirit of Antichrist, my friend.
You have to remember you see a small sliver of evangelicals like this, the vast majority just leave and become ordinary citizens in society not caring about all the back and forth online.
@@BavidDigg that’s true but the most virulent atheists tend to be exvangelicals. I’ve seen them be lifelong atheists or former Muslims, former Catholics, and so in, but most tend to be ex Evangelical.
The only reason it seems weird to you is because you're indoctrinated into believing that only believers value morals like truth and honesty. Atheists who take the time to point out problems they see with religion are doing it because they see these ideas as harmful and damaging to individuals and society and their desire to counter it comes from a desire to help free people from their limiting beliefs.
If this is hard to understand it might be because you've bought into the Christian idea that without faith in the existence of God, life has no meaning and can have no purpose.
I like how holy Kool-Aid show us clips of the supposed answers to these contradictions, they are very surface level and pretty much a low hanging fruit, he doesn’t show videos of people like Walter Kaiser, or Gleason archer answering these discrepancies instead he goes to low hanging fruit. I’m not accusing him of being dishonest I’m just saying.
he has some more challenging ones but yeah, these three OT examples are pretty weak.
@@TestifyApologetics I would say yes but at the same time not really I didn’t response to his videos in the comments, he brings up the typical contradictions like how many women were at the tomb or whether or not the angel appeared to Mary or Joseph, or whether or not Jesus rode on a horse or a donkey.
@@macmac1022 The first one is an example of a discrepancy not a contradiction, a discrepancy is something that appears to be contradictory,It’s not a contradiction, what’s establish what a contradiction is according to the law of non-contradiction to Country things cannot be both true and not true at the same time in the same way,It can be true that Satan is what’s responsible for David taking the senses,But also God permitting satan to take the senses there’s no contradiction.
Oh my gosh, OK I don’t even know where to begin here yet you are incredibly ignorant,You do realize what a Skrable error is right? a Scrabble error is literally a spelling error within the copping process when copying ancient scribes and manuscripts, And more than 99% of scrabble errors are the most basic things like missing a letter or accidentally adding a letter,And the most Texell variants of the entire Old testament is in the book of Chronicles. He needs to actually prove that there is a contradiction in the Bible not in specific translations,This video is called Bible contradictions not scrabble errors in Texell variants that are in specific translations,This can’t be counted as a contradiction,It’s so easy to see you have somebody could make this mistake literally one Number difference 8 and 18, he explained exactly how it was not a big deal and it’s not a contradiction.It’s literally a minor minor minor problem in the copying process, No his point doesn’t stand at all because he’s completely ignorant he supposedly has 20 years of research under his belt yet he doesn’t even know the difference between a scribal error, Texell variant, discrepancy and a contradiction he assumes they’re all the same thing, I mean Gleason archer’s Book answering all these contradictions came out in 1968, John Haley’s Book came out in in the 1890s, and before you dismiss them as being apologists which is what many people do, just because I happen to be Christians their world renowned scholars. No his point is not stand in anyway, it’s so easy to answer.
🤦🏻♂️ oh my gosh please go Google what a is scribal error is. Yes he did and holy Kool-Aid did not show that it’s a contradiction you can just find a minor minor error within a specific translation and then claim that’s a bonafide contradiction it’s not a bonafide contradiction.
Yes he did, literally two of the contradictions if he aledges or scribal errors, And super minor ones at that,He clearly did a little to no research for this video whatsoever, and he has the most fundamentalistic wooden Ridgid understanding of inerrancy and divine inspiration ever. His video it’s supposed to be about Bible contradictions, he needs to find something that is in all translations not scribal errors that are in specific manuscripts.
Yeah you have a lot of homework to do.
@@macmac1022 they are there within the copping process and everyone knows they’re there, this video is supposed to be about Bible contradictions not have scribal errors happen within the copying process, so he shouldn’t have included this in the video, how does there being a one number off scrabble error, affect the validity of the Bible in anyway? It doesn’t and it’s not in the originals it’s in the copies and it’s not even then all the copies. This contradiction only holds if you believe that the modern translations and manuscripts are inspired which only KJV only people do, so he should’ve specified and said this discrepancy is for KJV only people, which he didn’t because he’s ignorant he doesn’t know how to identify a scrabble error.
this is actually a good question, and it’s been a controversial topic among theologians ever since Christianity has begun, Gods permissive will. What do you mean Lord for both statements? So what? It’s not saying it’s the same thing in that specific context God is permitting Satan to do it, no this is a slippery slope, A contradiction are to contrary things that can’t be both true and not true at the same time in the same way, it can be true that Satan is responsible for the senses and that God permitted him to do it at the same time. Exactly did you watch the video, they weren’t as focused on secondary causes as we are today. Yes and it’s not a contradiction, if God and Satan were responsible for the senses in the same way and then it would be a contradiction but they’re not. It’s a discrepancy, a discrepancy is something that appears to be contradictory.
Yes it’s not a big deal because a very minor numbering error in the copying process that affects absolutely nothing other than the age of somebody which is not super significant, he’s not a bonafide contradiction, there are thousands of scrabble errors, in our manuscripts in less than 1% of them actually affect the Bible, most of them are easily reconcilable we can get back to what the original actually says, I actually disagree of Eric I think Jehoiachin is 8 not 18, because there are other kings in Israel who became a king is very young. No his point doesn’t stand it only stands if you’re KJV only, he needs to actually prove this is a contradiction in the Bible not specific translations in specific manuscripts of the Bible.
As of already explained it no it doesn’t, because this video is not titled scrabble errors that are in the copies of the Bible and in some translations, I don’t mean to be rude but if you need a scrabble error was you wouldn’t be making this objection, would it make sense for me to say that page 20 of Harry Potter and the sorcerer Stone is missing because my specific copy is missing that page of course it doesn’t.
Yes I did you can see the comment that I commented on his video, I mean I come to the when his video first came out so it’s gonna be probably hard to find because there’s thousands of comments on the video. Get yourself a copy of biblical difficulties by Gleason archer it’s been out since 1968 and I think you can probably get it for free. Yes it’s debatable which age he is supposed to be not whether or not it says he’s 8 and he’s 18, the debate over which age is correct, know whether or not this is a contradiction because it’s not.
@@macmac1022 so there is a distinction between God’s permissive will and his commitive will, no not everything God permits he commits, and that’s not the claim it’s not claiming that God is the one committing the senses, it’s claiming that God is responsible but responsible in what way? And in what context? the context is that he is allowing Satan to commit the senses, so in that sense he is responsible. Commit as in he’s actively committed no. This is where it gets more complicated, again distinction between his permissive well and his commitive will, only in specific cases like in the case of Job. Because they’re two different accounts of the same thing made by two different authors, that’s why they’re gonna tell it slightly differently. That’s a different situation, yes God was allowing that. No, it’s a different situation. He did in the sense that he permitted it he allowed it to happen. He did in the sense that he permitted it. He’s allowing Satan to tempt Jesus, but there’s a distinction between God’s permissive well and again his active will, him allowing something to happen it’s not him actively committing it.
Answer then I hope my answers are sufficient. I don’t think it looks good, i’m not avoiding the question I’ve already answered it.
OK I apologize I should’ve been a little bit more respectful but I was kind of getting annoyed.
Well it’s relevant to what you’re saying because ignorance is relevant to what you’re saying because what you’re saying is very ignorant, and you’re not making yourself look very ignorant so it’s a criticism that’s not meant to be taken as a personal attack, but I probably should’ve phrased it differently and said you’re saying you’re ignorant. OK I’m sorry if I phrased it Ridley or if it came off as a personal attack, it’s relevant to what you’re saying, it’s not just an attack with absolutely no organization and the attack you’re ignorant is relevant to what you’re saying, but I probably should’ve just said what you’re saying is incredibly ignorant and said you’re saying you’re ignorant so I apologize. OK buddy 😏.
Did I ever tell you I was a Christian?
Yes but that is a scrabble error that is a minor mistake in the copying process, there’s debate over whether or not it’s 8 or 18, in both passages not just one, this is a very minor copying error that is easily reconcilable. If you’re interested in the topic, I recommend getting a copy of Dr. Gleason archer’s biblical difficulties, he goes over hundreds of different alleged contradictions, The book came out in 1968 it’s pretty widely available I think it might even be able to get it for free, if not I’m pretty sure you can get it for pretty cheap. Yes but if something says 42 And you’re copying and translating something from a different language to another, when you accidentally make a minor mistake and make it say 22, it’s super understandable how you would make that mistake, they had no printing press back then they had to do everything by hand, in order to finish you had to hook it through, this is not in the originals we can trace back to what the original say, also this is not unique to every Bible it’s only in a few translations, no one claims of the modern translations or manuscripts are inspired all Christians or at least educated ones Grant they have mistakes in them, unless you’re a KJV only person. Imagine if you have a copy of Harry Potter and the sorcerer Stone, or the hobbit, and your coffee has one letter missing from it, do you think it would be fair to say that the hobbit has flaws in it because one letter and your specific copy is missing? OK it’s not the best analogy, because manuscripts are not printed, at least they didn’t used to be. It’s really easy to mix up the numbers 8 and 18, and this was not the original author is mixing this up this was a copying error that as a result of problems in the copying process and it’s incredibly minor. If that’s what the original said but if that is a mistake in the copying process it’s no big deal. No what I was talking about was the first contradiction not this one, yes it’s a contradiction within certain manuscripts that within the Bible as a whole though, no one beyond fundamentalists claims that the modern translations and the Bible we have today is inerrant. Yes contradiction in the copying process but you can’t blame the authors that originally wrote it for some thing that happened 100s of years after in the copying process.
No I don’t, I interpreted it literally means witches age 8, but holy Kool-Aid video is trying to undermine divine inspiration by claiming that this is problematic, how is a minor numbering error in the copying process affect divine inspiration? Also he his understanding of divine inspiration is totally fundamentalistic and rigid. Are you even gonna address the answer? You do understand that this is a copying error copying which means it’s not in the original, because we can trace back this errors origins.
Great video dude, I can't wait for the next part :)
Great video! It is amazing how it ends up actually confirming what it is trying to debunk.👍
I think most people would agree that inerrancy only applies to the original manuscript. Later copies or translations being infallible is called something like divine preservation, which other than King James only people is not something I see claimed by Christians. Whether Matthew made historical mistakes when writing his gospel is an issue of inerrancy, which some Christians believe is possible others do not, but Holy Kool-aid here wasn't mentioning that anyway.
The idea of "inerrant in the original manuscript" is completely non-sensical. Which original manuscript? Do we know it? Have we seen it? By what method was that manuscript created? This is a blanket statement that is used most especially by the American evangelical traditions that is really just semantics to cover their bets in the event God cares about the words in church by-laws. The reality is that the push to claim "inerrancy" and especially the desire to "interpret" the Bible literally, is just eisegesis at its finest and completely ignores the various genres and traditions that created the text. It tells the reader to read the text as if it is one chronological account of history instead of seeing the real miracle behind what is in front of them and how it glorifies God on His terms, instead of on ours.
@@qb101 I thought I explained it pretty well. It means when someone like Mark wrote his gospel that, if he recorded the gospel according to Peter as is traditionally held, then he accurately quoted Peter, and neither added or changed anything. Some believe the gospel writers could have made errors regarding places or names, but most Christians believe those alterations occurred later not with the original testimonies.
@@thepalegalilean No one argues for infallibility, because it's ludicrous. Whether intentional or not, people can always add, change, or remove something, or it can even happen by accident. This is where something like the Quran gets into a lot of trouble, because they attempted to destroy all the flawed copies about a hundred years ago, but there's still information detailing the history of variations. Likewise, biblical infallibility would mean the Dead Sea Scrolls would be useless, since they vary slightly from the Septuagint and the Masoretic text, but having all three allows us to determine what is consistent, and therefore closest to the original wording. The same is done with the New Testament.
Even with New Testament manuscripts, really only three major additions are disputed: the long ending of Mark, the woman caught in adultery in John, and the trinitarian verse in 1 John 5:7. Also, the doxology of the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6. None of those things affect the theology of the scriptures.
I'm not even someone who believes inerrancy is a major issue, because the theology associated with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is one where God allows false prophets, the Mosaic law to have been missing or removed for a period of time, lying spirits, and such. Even Paul himself said not to trust anyone even the apostles if they started preaching another gospel. I think instead one must discern through historical affirmation, the church fathers, and the Spirit what is truth.
@@thepalegalilean inerrancy doesn't mean a flat Earth or YEC : those are interpretations of Scripture and interpretations aren't inerrancy : human infallibility isn't logical either by the Roman Catholics.
how did u comment 7 days ago on a 2 day old video
His intro song is fire though.
I definitely don't agree with you on all of these but HK just saying the biblical authors "couldn't agree" when it came to the census just ignores alot of nuance and complexity of satan being used as a divine mediator for Yahweh and dumbs the issue down so much to the point where it sounds stupid when it's actually really interesting, overall pretty solid video testify, looking foward to the next one!
I think the fact that there can be more than one plausible explanation to a supposed contradiction isn't at all a bad thing.
@Testify It's definitely not, and it wasn't a problem for me when I was a Christian, HK thinks this is a silver bullet for some reason tho which is weird.
Appreciate all your work brother.
You bet!
8:36 Bro turned into a cartoon
Haha yeah it's 2 videos mashed up where he was basically making a similar point
So small scribal errors are not a big deal?
Seriously?
This is how you solve contradictions? By saying there are errors in the bible, thereby concluding that it is something different than what was inspired by god??
Well handled as always my G 💯
There's a part of me that looks at the youtube counter-apologist crowd and atheists in general as being the biggest buzzkill ever. "Here, let me rob you of hope of eternal life." Like OK you have nothing better to do with your time?
When your hope of eternal life leads you to legislate away people's rights then yes, counter apologists have nothing better to do.
@@mcable217 What rights are being legislated away?
@@mcable217 I'm not legislating anything, nor am I interested in doing so, but I'll thank you to please not include people you don't know in blanket statements.
@@mcable217 yeah, like the right to butcher children
@@mcable217Legislating away what rights? The right to abortion? With all due respect, but abortion is a very complicated issue that has a lot of arguments both for and against it, from both Christians and non-Christians alike. Not all people who are pro-life are necessary Christians.
So please, stop villainizing Christians for seeing things differently than you do and voting for the policies that reflect their beliefs.
It’s easy to be confused about why God was upset over the census if you don’t actually read the story.
I had to look for response to this guy beings I'm not that knowledgeable in scripture, I'm a Christian though. He says there's no proof of Israelites being slaves in Egypt, no burials or anything. There's no proof of Exodus. And how did all those millions of jews hide in such Lil area from Egypt to Israel, he makes some good points.
You responded to his video and literally agreed with what his video actually said. What you did was negate the fundamental premise that Scripture is inerrant & infallible. Your stance was “those Scripture errors aren’t important to the larger narrative”. However, that ideology opens the door to wondering if the important parts have errors as well, you’ve built your trust on the Word (which is now showing cracks). You cherry picked this video thinking it would be a slam dunk, but really you just confirmed what he said. The one he did on Moses/Israelites/Exodus is the one that I guarantee no one tries to debunk.
God bless 🙏☦️
mad respect for this guy for defending the Christian faith. God bless you
The real question is whether the Bible supposed to be the inherent word of God or not. If it is a human book attempting to claim historical facts, points of view and errors are
acceptable. However, if the claim is, that is the inherent word of God, any inaccuracies, no matter how small or mundane, is a a significant problem.
growing up, I was always told the Bible is perfect. Anything that are perceived as a problem, was a problem with me in my interpretation. While numerical differences are easy to explain away, they also chip away the problem that the Bible is not perfect.
cheers.
PS, this is one of the best defending the Bible videos that I’ve seen. I still think that all the facts lie against the Bible not being perfect. what this means for my faith or my future being a Christian, I’m still trying to figure out.
I do believe that God does speak through His Word and the various different denominations (in my opinion) are that people "agree to disagree" with God in the way that He defines Truth.
The contradiction is often on man's side and not God's....
I do see where a lot of people may claim to be led by the Holy Spirit and yet be as seemingly as far apart as the east is from the west.
I think it is due to our emotions being confused with the Holy Spirit.
I don't believe that God willed all things in His Sovereignty to basically turn us into robots with no choice but to do His bidding and then hold humans accountable to an understanding that they (under God's control) would not be able to rationalize what Good News actually IS.
That being said...the Bible didn't bleed on the cross for the sins of the world. Jesus did..
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"The contradiction is often on man's side and not God's...."
That is a problem though. Afterall it is claimed that the bible is the word of God. It would be much different if you would say the bible contains the message of God. But if it is the word of God how can contradictions from man's side be in there? Then it can't be the word of God.
@@nezz0r Jesus IS The Word made flesh. Jesus claimed to be Truth.
Context.
The Bible didn't die on the cross to be our sacrifice...
I gotta get 2 hrs of sleep before work...but just saw this and figured I'd respond. 😊
@@mrupholsteryman So the bible is not the word of God but contains the message of God?
@@nezz0r the Bible is inspired by God..and yes....written by man. And whether you find fault with God for allowing free will so that we aren't robots...that have no choice but do wo what is decreed by a Holy Puppeteer...or you find fault with man cuz we still haven't figured out how to get rid of sin on our own (outside of just suppressing the truth) OR you have determined that God is non existent...(and I'm not claiming you to be in any of these camps).... The Gospel (if you believe that God IS real and CAN be trusted)...is God's power unto salvation.
What is it that you believe?
@@mrupholsteryman Why don't you answer my question? Is the bible the word of God or does the bible contain the message of God. If it is the latter then errors can happen as long as the message is not damaged but if it is the the former then such errors can't happen. At least not if the biblical God is perfect or has the traits: Omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience. Well, the only other option is he made such errors on purpose but by doing so he would cause confusion which would create a problem with that line here:
1 Corinthians 14:33
"33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
I believe that there is a supreme Creator but after reading the bible I doubt that the one mentioned in there is that supreme Creator.
Ultimately, it's impossible to find a contradiction in the scripture that will be seen as one by a biblical inerrantist. Because any given contradiction will be justified by an unfalsifiable assertion.
One could be a weak inerrantist in the sense that if they saw a contradiction they'd be willing to change their mind and their view of inspiration. Also, not all Christians are inerrantists and what I'm arguing here is that good faith errors or copyist errors constitute a reason to distrust the historical accounts, nor even jettison the idea that the Bible is inspired.
@@TestifyApologetics Okay, I'll be honest, I don't really know what your position is, nor the position of most 'inerrantists', as they only rarely actually define their position.
I think the slipperiness of the terms being used are creating confusion here. Let's let go of the term 'inerrant' as a strict definition, as it causes confusion. But let's still interrogate the general principle behind 'inerrancy'.
A christian can fall into several camps:
Belief that every word as written in a given extant copy of scripture is the literal Word of God, and therefore perfect;
Belief that on the instant of writing the words by the original author, the words were the literal Word of God, and therefore perfect;
Belief that though the mind of the author contained the literal Word of God, the author, faulty as he was, failed to accurately transcribe that Word, and therefore no scripture has ever been perfect;
Belief that the scripture is not divinely inspired by God, and therefore is not perfect.
I think that's logically complete. Now, from where I stand, both the first and second camp might claim to be 'inerrantists'. But the first claim is obviously ludicrous, I hope you agree, and the second claim is simply unimpressive.
If all that is required is that the first draft was perfect, surely all that need be done is some unscrupulous scribe add a couple of lines here, or take out a fact there, and the majority of the content of scripture could be non-divine fabrications.
So, the age of Jehoiachin, might have been 8, 18, or 21. Some scribe might have added the age in for his own reasons over 2000 years ago, and the next scribe copied that one, and so on and so forth. We know that happened with John 8:7, why not for any number of other verses?
Perhaps even doctrinally significant passages, what reason could you have to say otherwise?
This is basically my position: jonathanmclatchie.com/is-the-bible-without-error-inspiration-inerrancy-and-christian-epistemology/
Best to start there.
One thing to note about the Jehoaikin contraditction which I have heard but cannot confirm is that most of the manuscripts we have of Jehoiakin being 8 are syraic manuscripts, not hebrew, which if true would deny his claim that we are "ignoring the oldest hebrew manuscripts". Another thing to note about hebrew is that it uses letters as a numbering system. The consonant used to indicate 10 is the consonant "yod" which looks like an apostrophe and could be very easy to miss.
Self correction: turns out most of the hebrew manuscripts of 2 chronicles: 36 do say 8. However, this could be a copyist error like you mentioned or just the "yod" having been faded on the original paper over time.
Thank you for making this vidoe replies in short episodes ;)
Next one covering Gospel contradictions is 30 minutes hope that's not too long
Which is more difficult? Inspire the writing of the Bible, or keep copies true to inspiration?
From the author of this video we learn that God made the effort to inspire the original texts, but then neglected to keep the originals intact or even to keep correct copies.
Furthermore, the way the author of this video circumvents the contradictions, making a non-literal interpretation of the passages in question, contrasts with the way he interprets the remaining passages, which he already interprets literally. What if he took the same approach to the entire Bible and interpreted it all in a non-literal, relativistic way?
Thank you i wanted someone to respond to his video
The second "debunking" is a big deal. You say it's a copy error. That's the whole point many atheist and agnostic people make. Fundamentalist Christians constantly talk about how pure the Bible is and that if there's mistakes it just means you have to read it more to understand. Others say "this was written by man... why do we assume everything about it is right or even from God at all?" Even something as simple as errors means is not divinely written or perfectly transcripted. For Christians who want to change society or attack groups of people due to how "holy and timeless" the words are, this is a problem.
It's an insult to Historic Christianity like Protestantism, Catholicism, and Orthodox to be compared with the Theology of American Evangelist lol 😂
Oh yeah!
I wish that the discrepancy in 2 Samuel 24 vs 1 Chronicle 21 was explained so easily. A few things you’d have to take into consideration: A. The chronological order of the books in its original form from the Tanak, not how they were rearranged for the Old Testament. B. The consequences that The tribes faced from God after David took the census.
Chronicles is the last book of the Tanak and was written long after the previously written 2 Samuel. This story in Chronicles is a re-telling of the same story from 2 Samuel, but not identical. In the earlier telling of the story, the author/editors have God dishing out a punishment to the tribes of Israel for David taking a census, which is strange because in this story God is the one who told David to take the census in the 1st place. However in the re-telling, the author/editor doesn’t seem quite comfortable with God telling David to do something and then punishing/killing people of Israel for something God commanded, so a different story is told… a story in which Satan is the one who who had David take the census, showing that David did not trust God for victory in battle, therefore God punished Israel… which makes more sense. It’s definitely a discrepancy and forces us to wrestle with the nature of the Bible and what we can expect from it and those who penned it. If in fact we deem it to be the “Word of God,” we’d still have to wrestle with what it means for it to be told in human words.
I don't know why but my brain instantly switches off when someone unironically says "yikes".
Short and sweet responses. Awesome work man!
The one on the Gospels will be 30 minutes so less short but hopefully not less sweet.
@@TestifyApologetics Was referring to the point by point responses, which are always great and on target regardless of video length. Looking forward to the one on the Gospels!
So the very first contradiction in the video is literally just ignored and you are like "yeah it's no big deal, just some scribal error" as if that doesn't still mean it's a contradiction...
And it's the same with the rest of these contradictions. You just waived them off like no big deal because they are scribal errors...
They are still contradictions, obviously both can't be true, so at least of of them is wrong, but that just proves that these are contradictions and you can't deny that.
Exactly.
Not to mention there are trivial contradictions, there are tons of contradictions like child sacrifice, sex slavery, human sacrifice, etc.
That’s Christianity for you
The point is that even where there are good faith scribal mistakes, one can still figure out through context what the book means to say. When you work out the context, the books no longer contradict but vindicate each other.
A scribal error is not a contradiction in the intent of the author...it's a scribal error. These are 2 very different categories.
Hey! Agnostic here with a real question in good faith: I want to repeat your stance to make sure that I am understanding it correctly, and please do correct me if I am wrong. Your stance is that the age of Jehoiachin is an authentic contradiction, inasmuch as its a scribal error? You just think that the author of Kings and the author of Chronicles actually agree in the original manuscripts, but some early scribal error caused this contradiction that is found in the manuscripts that we have today? If I accurately summarized your position, I guess I'd ask why you think that? Is this just something that you take on faith? IE, you presuppose that the original bible manuscripts contained no errors, therefore, any error we find today must be a scribal error?
I said that the difference between 18 and 8 is basically a small stroke of the pen, and there are other verses that show he was 18 and not 8 based on his behavior. So it's not hard to infer this was very likely a minor scribal error.
@@TestifyApologetics I'm not sure that I am on board with the "small stroke of the pen" thesis. A brief Google shows 2 Chronicles 36:9 as having the word "eight" written out: שְׁמוֹנֶ֤ה. Meanwhile, 2 Kings 24:8 has the word "eighteen" written out: שְׁמֹנֶ֨ה עֶשְׂרֵ֤ה. This could totally still be a scribal error, but its more than a minor stroke of a pen and I would again ask what convinces you that this is a scribal error? Is it faith that the original manuscripts could not possibly contain errors? Because it seems equally likely to me that this is an early scribal error tha became canonized (and what does this say about the possibility of other early scribal errors changing other texts?) vs this being a legitimate error written down in the original manuscript. And as far as I can tell, I have no way of being able to tell if this is an original manuscript error or an early scribal error.
When we Christians say that the Bible isn't in error, we don't typically mean that there are no small errors in the translating. We mean that there is no content in the Bible that is just wrong when translated properly.
@@macmac1022 Thanks! I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I do enjoy looking into this stuff. I have a whole video on my channel where I disagree with Testify's opinion about the use of the greek word for "land" as described in the census story in the birth narrative.
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It's interesting how Thomas tries to use KJV for the trying to find contradictions and tries to bash NIV for editing it but at the same time, he in the past has used NIV to allegedly proving Joshua and Judges narrative historicity false
Thanks for this, I watched this video a few days ago and haven't bothered trying to reconcile most of the contradictions, it didnt really affect me that much though
Your solution to all these errors is to accept they're errors but still claim the Bible the inerrant. That doesn't make any sense.
exactly. trash video. all he did was confirm that there are contradictions and that HL was right.
he no told this, atheus ignorants
What you expect from people who really want their faith to be truth lol
He doesn't ever claim the Bible is inerrant......9:05
@@paulvoit5610 "He" who? Don't play the pronoun game when answering comments 5 months later.
Testify- if your god has had eternity to conclude his message to his people ! Can you tell me why after thousands of years he couldn’t convey it to us all and why we are all left with a shitshow of discussion because his message is unclear!! As a human I could given the power convey my message in a much more superior way
I'm not an atheist but the Bible definitely has some contradictions.
And it's mistranslated...
Deliberately in some parts
I don't think so. The bible is a proven fairytale. All you have to do is compare the oldest known bibles with today's. They are very different. Not possible if it really was god's word.
wow what a compelling argument
In the wise words of Count Dooku. "I've been looking forward to this (video)"
They're applying an Islamic understanding of inerrancy. Inerrancy in Christianity means that the message is inerrant, not the words on a piece of paper.
This is why Islam believes that only the Arabic Quran is the "proper" Quran while Christianity has no problem with translating the Bible to any other language and using that as their day to day text. Only when you start wrestling every little nugget of Theology out of it do you need to go to the original Greek. Even then, there are plenty of commentaries that have already done the work and explain the various meanings of Greek words.
There is a problem with numerical errors in the Bible because you claim it to inspired by a God that cannot be wrong, if this claim wasn't made i agree errors are fine as humans make mistakes, but that's not your claim as christians you claim the Bible is of Divine origin and given directly to men from a God that cannot lie or be wrong so if he can't do those things then why are there errors. if you it can contain errors then you have a really big question which is which scriptures are errors and which are not, did Jesus die for all sin is that truth or an error how do you know.
This is literally the slippery slope fallacy
@@spraycheese1383 No 2+2 is 4, if the Bible says 2+2 is 9 it's wrong and not of divine origin, the Bible gets numbers wrong all the time from diffrent sizes of tribes and troops, to different temple sizes and it even gets Pi wrong, this isn't a fallacy, if God gives you this information and he cannot be wrong yet is wrong then the Bible is not inspired by a God, rather written by poorly educated men who can't do math, and have a poor understanding of science.
@@ryan62011 well then this is a strawman of the view of divine revelation. We’re not Muslims, we don’t think the Bible fell from heaven and was given in revelations. Either way, logical fallacies.
@@spraycheese1383 Do you even know what different types of arguments are, or are you just throwing terms out there hoping they stick as it's not a strawman argument either, it is a fact Christians state that God himself who is all knowing directly inspired the writers of the Bible to write what they did, therefore if your source of information if from an all Knowing God and he is wrong, then the people who wrote the bible and claimed it was God guideing them are one of 3 things, liars, deluded, or mentally ill, i don't know why you are claiming it's Muslims that believe in divine revelation when, Christians do aswell, as proven by the book of Daniel when he is directly inspired by God to write and he states he doesn't understand what he is writing giving the impression that the words are not from him but from God, and guess what that book is full of historical issues that don't match actual history.
@@ryan62011 again, you misrepresent divine inspiration in a desperate attempt to make yourself look intelligent. We do not believe the “source” of the Bible is God. Your “fact” is actually not a fact. Even early church fathers state that scripture was written by men using their own devices. Which is why there are many genres in scripture. Again, you confuse diving inspiration with how Muslims view it. We do not believe God himself gave use the Bible, that is a Muslim belief with their Quran. If you are going to be going after a book and religion, at the very least make sure you represent them accurately.
Regarding the last point: "there are tens of thousand of christian denominations". What a way to miss the point. Your response is "well, is not exactly 40000 theologically different denominations". But I don't need 40000 to make my point, two different denominations are enough. The point is that the bible is not clear and it can be interpreted in different ways. You only need to look at the heated debates between catholics and evangelicals and the way both sides extensively quote the bible against each other. And their differences are theoligical, not just minor issues. Are priest allowed to marry or not? Does the pope speaks infallibly in matters of doctrine or not? Can you pray to Mary? The list of disagreement is quite large. One would assume that if God wanted to reveal the truth to manking he would not cause such confusion.
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With his ‘God hating gays and diff trees’ comment. For the fig part, if he’s referring to when Jesus killed a fig tree for not bearing fruit like the others, aside from the parable, that tree not fruiting with the others is a sign it’s sick, which would have been cut down and moved away as to not spread whatever hit has.
Mark 11:13 "When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs."
None of the others would be bearing fruit either. It was not the season for figs
@@Abcde7213 Just went to double check and you’re right.
But then I looked at an explanation of it and it showed that fig trees at that time would at least produce edible buds. Which it did not have at the time thus won’t produce fruits anyways.
You didn't really "bust" any of the contradictions, you just gave an excuse for why it's ok for there to be some kinds of contradictions. Holy Kool-Aid's main point, that the Bible is a human book, with human origins, still stands.
You are just another hitchenite, aki. This wasn't an excuse. If you even watched the video and not just snippets, these are scribal errors which are not contractions to begin with. To use them with a priori assumptions that the bible contains errors, and then work your way fallaciously to as to conflating scribal errors as contractions, really scream hitchenitism logic and not critical reading of the text.
And no disputes that the bible was written by men. Try harder, hitchenite aki.
@@macmac1022 Thank you for doing what I did not have the pacience to do.
It still doesn’t disprove God
@@ninjaked1265 It doesn't disprove general theism/deism, but it definitely does disprove bible-god.
this is a nice rebuttal to holy koolaid videos. unfortunately the "inerrancy" of the bible along with the fact that a lot of these events are from records plagiarized from other historical clay and stone inscriptions while others have no proof of ever having occurred makes your "minor scribble error are inconsequential to Christian doctrine" summation dishonest. why not provide info that actually debunks holy koolaid on bible contradictions.
Worth noting that "satan" is not always a name in Hebrew, it is a word meaning "accuser" God indeed was called "the satan" meaning "the accuser" of these people.
This explanation doesn’t make sense because if it was god who told David to carry out a census he would have no right to punish him for it
Inerrancy is not even necessary for the text to contain the truth, there is a God that loves us. But it sure is a wonder that a LOT of the information contained in the Bible can be shown to be correct or supported with ease by simple knowledge of ancient Israelite context.
Could you do an episode on "Who is Yahweh - How a Warrior-Storm God became the God of the Israelites and World Monotheism" by ESOTERICA ? I am quite skeptical of his claims and it kinda reminds me how Atheists tried to relate Christianity to Zoroastrianism which I know is wrong.
Is it wrong, or hard to accept?
Yahweh is a lesser god to a larger pantheon, including his father, El, the most high god of the Canaanite pantheon.
It was later that El and Yahweh were combined.
It’s not common knowledge, but is widely accepted by archeologists and anthropologists.
Look into it, it’s fascinating.
It makes sense too when reading Genesis again. When the gods say “we”, they mean it. It’s polytheistic.
@@stevenbatke2475 If by "widely accepted" you mean a fringe theory
@@SamAdamsGhost what’s the first commandment?
@@stevenbatke2475 "You shall have no other gods before me." If that's your proof there is other gods, you're sorely mistaken.
@@SamAdamsGhost is it your belief that god gave his people commandments for things they weren’t doing? Do you think Yahweh was threatened by the worship of nonexistent gods?
9:45 If the only record of these events is in the Bible and the Bible has errors then the entire religion falls apart. Original sin, the messiah prophecy, Jesus’ sacrifice all means nothing if the book it comes from is filled with errors and mistakes. Why would anyone base their life on a book with knowledge that parts of it are untrue or inaccurate? And it’s supposed to be a message from a perfect God?? This video did not refute anything. It just goes to show Christians know the Bible is the words of men, not the word of God but they still blindly trust it! Utter stupidity 😅
I have a serious question if I remember correctly when Jesus came around in the Bible he made it that the rules of the Old Testament did not apply so why is it when I hear a lot of people say being homosexual or lesbian is a sin they quote the Old Testament by that logic if we’re following rules from the Old Testament should we also not wear clothes of two different materials
I believe most would explain some laws as being universal and timeless. No one seems to have a problem with “do not murder” or “do not steal” being Old Testament laws, but still applying to today.
Brilliant refutation. I like videos that coherently explain the doctrines of the true Catholic faith like this one.
It's shameful how much skeptics take seriously contradictions as if Christianity hasn't existed for the last 2000 years and doctors of the church haven't answered their questions.
I regards to protestant denominations once you take into account the various different nations they currently reside in and even minor ecclesiastical disputes theirs only 10 protestant denominations. Denominationalism is blown out of proportion from skeptics as if Jesus simply is looking down at us and seeing who believes in paedo baptism rather than creedo. I think fundamentally amongst all protestant denominations is the same doctrines if sufficiency of Scripture, The trinity faith alone and the necessity of the cross for salvation.
The disputes come from sporadic interpretations of Holy writ which when actually studied coherently and honestly doesn't not teach lgtbq acceptance or extreme hatred of gays.
But honestly theirs only 10
Read Deuteronomy and ask yourself if you should believe the claims about God made by people who would commit the acts described.
Could you respond to the "Who is Yahweh - How a Warrior-Storm God became the God of the Israelites and World Monotheism" by Esoteric? Thanks boss
That first contradiction isn't a contradiction because in the period before the second temple, Satan didn't mean a fallen being, it meant opposer. So God is just being a ha Shatan to David.
Really? Could they really use that word for God? I seem like God and Devil work hand in hand which would make sense just like in other religions.
Sorry but the Bible is full of contradictions for me the biggest is the new testament Paul, he is held in such high regard yet Paul definatley taught against the teachings of Jesus, what did Jesus say i come not to abolish the law, the law stated not to eat meat sacrificed to idols or blood or strangled, Paul taught eat what you want up to you, that was against the Mosaic Law that Jesus himself Followed, the Apostles even told Paul to show the people you don't actually believe what you taught about food sacrificed to idols this go purify yourself, if Paul had taught nothing wrong why did he need to purify himself.
If your God actually existed, there wouldn't be any contradictions.
Non sequitur
Let me know what part of omnipotent allows for your God to make mistakes. If your God is unable to prevent error, it's not much of a God.
@@brrouleauwhy do you operate under the assumption that God doesn’t allow errors?
Looks like Holy Kool-Aid drank the Kool-Aid.
Kool-AIDS
Jesus loves us all ty for this
Psalms 92:5-6 O Lord, how great are thy aworks! and thy thoughts are very deep. A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
Great Video!
Thank you
Well if the book has more errors than any book in the Bible then why are you believing anything in the book if you admit that multiple books and their Source texts have tons and tons of Errors then you have to throw the whole thing out because it's not reliable but I'm dealing with someone who has absolutely no integrity at all
Why should anyone even care about your holy book?
Based
You seem to care a bit too much
@@NZRadioFan69 I care, because that shitty book is being used to justify evil.
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The *original manuscripts* were inerrant, is what I hold. I happen to also think it was transmitted reliably, even if not letter-perfectly in every copy. We can cross-check multiple copies, however.
You're coping well
Except that they aren't. The claim that the entire earth being flooded and killing all but 8 people is a lie.
I have one. Are there one creation stories or are there two?
H.K.-A. is intelligent enough to solve these alleged contradictions himself.
@@macmac1022 stop spamming the same nonsense.
@@macmac1022 OK I’ll be more respectful.
Scrabble errors are spelling errors or numbering errors within the copying process, pretty much all ancient documents have them, The Bible has thousands but they’re very minor, and less than 1% of them actually affect any doctrine, most of them are the most minor of minor of spelling errors, for instance one of the ones that you named 8 and 18, do you see how easy that is to get mixed up, only one Number, imagine if you’re doing copies hand by hand you’re doing a bunch of copies and you accidentally missed one letter, that would be considered a scrabble error, or you accidentally spilled ink in a certain place and you can’t see one letter, that would be a scrabble error, it’s incredibly minor, no scrabble errors are not contradictions, they are very very minor issues in the copping process but you can’t say because you can find contradictions in the copying process therefore this contradictions in the Bible, Thomas really should’ve done more research before he made the video. I apologize for not being the most respectful you genuinely do seem like you wanna know what it is, but you kind of got on my nerves because you kept spamming the same comment over and over again, did you watch the video Eric also explains it pretty well. Well you are objectively wrong, so there really is no if, so what if there’s a few scribal errors very minor minor spelling errors in the copping process of the Bible? No one claims of the manuscripts are inspired, this only applies to Muslims. Because I already answered you and keep spamming the same thing over and over again and doing it for your own good and you’re only making yourself look ignorant. Not your framing it as if what you’re saying is being silenced and I’m trying to stop you from spreading the truth, OK that’s not exactly what you said but that’s kind of what you’re getting out or at least what sounds like you’re getting at. I have they’re not personal attacks, there attacks on your understanding, why don’t you ask him what’s the video. Oh come on. I didn’t call you names, arrogance and accusing you spewing nonsense is attack on what you’re spewing, and yes I contact your character for being ignorant when is relevant to what you’re saying. OK buddy come on.
@@pleaseenteraname1103Scrabble [sic] error??? Of course the correct spelling is "scribal". [It is NOT a popular board game...^^] It is either disgusting intellectual laziness or willful obtuseness to write that
word incorrectly REPEATEDLY when many other people have previously typed it properly... so give the scribes a break for an occasional accidental error.
@@ColinWrubleski-eq5sh OK I don’t know that comment is really necessary.
Hello there. There's this TH-camr known as Max Derrat who's made a few videos about Christianity that might be worth giving your attention to(mind you, he's not a Christian). I'm curious about what your responses are to some of the philosophical claims he makes.
Thanks I can check
In 2 SUPPLEMENTS (2 Chronicles) 36:9 in the New English Translation of the Septuigent it has his name as Iechonias and he began his reign at the age of 18.
In 4 REIGNS (2 kings) 24:8 it has his name as Ioakim and began his reign at 18. This is translated from a much older source than the Hebrew texts we have today.
Great video, I was wondering you were planning to do a video on the insane numbers in the sizes of armies in the OT.
"Small differences in historical accounts are normal and it doesn't mean that their documents are just unreliable"
For normal historical accounts, sure. However, I'm sure the rules are different for historical accounts inspired by a perfect God...
Good thing Erik has never claimed that he was an inerrantist.
god is genderless, since you have no proof he is organic. Also was Jesus really white like those Americans say? doubt it lol. I left christianity after age 10 when I realized it genocided my own culture and made my people hateful.
my people before christianity: open minded and not homophobes etc.
after christianity: sad and disrespectful to past culture and ancestors, homophobic and hateful bootlicking colonization etc.
If I say a woman bit the BACK OF her neck to blame her boyfriend, would you say it's impossible? It happened. Wana know how? ???? Look up meaning of bit . She pinched her neck with her false teeth. No contradiction.
Thats apologetics.
Not roman Catholic, but holy koolaid doesnt accurately represent what Roman Catholics believe.
The Scriptures always teach the truth, which means its without error. Scribal errors are consistent with that, because scribes arent prophets. Did Holy KoolAid never know about scribal errors? Thats just ignorance on his part, because inerrancy means the original writings of prophets, not scribes or translations. So if he held to some tiny group that thought some translation was without error, that view has been refuted by Christians many times. The Reformers of thr Protestant Reformation didnt teach that a specific translation was without errror.
The claim that the entire earth flooded, killing all but 8 people isn't a scribe error. It's a flat out falsehood that proves the bible is not the infallible word of god.
Is he taking these contradictions from Muslims? I just had a muslim present me with these exact supposed contradictions.
I love so called “contradictions.” I’m hardly nervous or afraid of them. Then again I enjoy making foolish ppl look stoopid sooo . Btw, it’s not a copyist error.
What is it then if not a copyist error?
@@Mifojei my take on it is Jehoiachin was named co-king at 8 when his father was in power. At 18 he became sole king after his father died. Most deniers don’t realize that David appointed Solomon king while he was still alive and Jotham became king when his father Uzziah was sick so it’s very plausible to me that both are correct. U could call it ensuring the throne I suppose. While I understand that copyist errors are too possible, I’m also aware of how strictly and seriously the Jws took writing their scripture, be it duplicates or not, throwing it ALL out if they so much as made a jot or tiddle mistake so that’s why I don’t think it’s an error. It’s certainly what the Jws believe according to my research.
@@temporaryaccount5307 Yea, you're right. There seems to be a good argument for co-regency causing the many "contradictions" in Kings and Chronicles. Thanks
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First Christian ever to admit there's a single error in the bible
The fact that you have to explain it means it is not an inerrent book. There are contradictions. If god existed surely he would have allowed the Bible to be perfect so that it would be known it was his word.
Strange that the one true God can't manage to put together one true book that isn't filled with discrepancies, confusion and inconsistency. Perhaps he was having an off day?
oh no how dare God ask us to use our minds and use people instead of dropping a book from the sky
This objection only has force if the text was divinely dictated, which christians don’t believe.
that would be a valid arguement if you were proposing it on to the Quran
@@TestifyApologeticsi thought he didnt wanted to use our mind and be one of "them" btw JW dont believe in the holy trinity
@@TestifyApologetics "oh no how dare God ask us to use our minds"
That's hilarious, given that your bible tells you the literal opposite in Proverbs 3:5-6. So, who's wrong here, you or your fantasy book?
It contradicts less than Satan's false religions or atheism. .
The Bible is infallible but none that arent chosen by God as the elect will be able to correctly understand or believe His Word. As for those that were "Christian" but had their faith shaken to the point of apostasy by so called contradictions they were never among the elect in the first place for if they were they wouldnt have left. I love Biblical scholarship as much as anyone, it is my favorite subject to read and study but it really doesnt matter, Gods Word isnt a debate topic it is the power of God unto salvation and all those that belong to Christ that hear it will believe it. The rest can have fun here on earth for now, wasting their short time alive further condemning themselves, I pray God will have mercy on their souls.
We know that in the past God communicated to His people through prophets at many times in various ways, but now in these last days He has has spoken to us by His son Jesus.
The exact way that something is communicated will not be perfect when it is delivered by fallible men, but the message is perfect because the One who spoke it is perfect. We also know that in whatever ways a man is imperfect, Jesus is completely perfect and His Word is as perfect as His message.
Then people should say that the bible contains the message of God and not that it is the word of God.
It almost seems like this perfect god is intentionally using a method that will confuse and make people leave the faith despite him supposedly being all knowing, present everywhere, and all powerful. Which means he would be able to make a “perfect” version of the Bible and make everyone have the ability to read it
I actually believe that Satan in 1 chronicles is the Angel of the LORD, the word Satan in that passage is a rare instance where the definite article is not paired with the noun Satan and the other place where it’s the same case is in Numbers 22 where the Angel of the LORD is standing in Balaams way as an adversary (Satan). The writer of chronicles seems to be doing this intentionally to identify “Satan” as the Angel.
Divine intermediaries in 1 Chronicles 21 an overlooked aspect of the Chronicler’s theology,” Biblica 85:4 (2004): 545-558.