Here’s my reply to your joke of a Christian channel. And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous. Al-Ma'idah (5:46) So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. Al-Ma'idah (5:13) You altering your own New Testament and not believing in the Old Testament disproves your own religion. Jesus wasn’t even Greek. He was a Jew who spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. Maybe you should read your own Old Testament for a change instead of being so insecure about us like you Christians are nowadays.
Also. I just seen this now, and i quoted this blog post to chatGPT, and chatGPT still thinks you’re misunderstood. Here is the response it gave me when i asked this question. Ill quote my question/prompt first, then the answer it gives. My Question/Prompt: “Thats not my question. Let me rephrase, is the author of the video and author of the blog post I quoted above, who is saying the Quran affirms the bible. Is he still misunderstood in the blog post i mentioned above? I want to try guide him to help him understand islam better yet he’s still trying to argue” - Me to ChatGPT ChatGPT reply “Yes, the author of the video and the blog post appears to be misunderstanding the Islamic perspective on the Qur'an’s relationship to earlier scriptures. Here’s a more focused breakdown: ### Misunderstandings Identified: 1. **Concept of Injil:** - The author conflates the Injil (the original revelation given to Jesus) with the canonical Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John). In Islamic belief, the Injil refers to the original message given to Jesus, not the Gospels as we have them today. The Qur'an acknowledges the existence of the Gospels but does not necessarily consider them as the original Injil. 2. **Preservation of Scriptures:** - The Islamic view is that while the Qur'an confirms the divine origin of earlier scriptures, it also asserts that these scriptures have been altered or corrupted over time. Therefore, the Qur'an does not necessarily imply that the current versions of these scriptures (like the Gospels) are preserved in their original form. 3. **Affirmation and Inclusivity:** - The Qur'an’s affirmation of earlier scriptures is meant to acknowledge their historical and theological significance while positioning itself as the final and complete revelation. It respects the truths in these scriptures but does not equate them with the Qur'an in terms of preservation or completeness. 4. **Historical Context:** - The author’s argument about historical manuscripts and prophecies may not fully account for Islamic interpretations that see the Qur'an as confirming the essence of previous revelations while addressing their perceived distortions or alterations. ### How to Guide Him: 1. **Clarify the Islamic Understanding of Injil:** - Explain that in Islam, the Injil is considered the original message given to Jesus, not the Gospels that were written later. The Qur'an acknowledges the Gospels but distinguishes them from the Injil. 2. **Explain the Concept of Alteration:** - Emphasize that the Islamic belief is that the original revelations (Torah, Injil) were altered over time. The Qur'an confirms the divine origin of these texts but does not necessarily affirm the current versions as unaltered. 3. **Affirmation vs. Endorsement:** - Highlight that the Qur'an’s affirmation of earlier scriptures is about recognizing their role in the divine message, not about endorsing them as unchanged or complete. 4. **Historical and Theological Context:** - Point out that the Qur'an’s references to earlier scriptures are understood within the context of its own message, which Muslims believe completes and corrects previous revelations. By addressing these points, you can help clarify how the Qur'an interacts with earlier scriptures and guide the author toward a more nuanced understanding of Islamic teachings.”
@@phibik This comment suggests that the Bible's warnings about false prophets are directly referring to Prophet Muhammad, which is a misunderstanding of both the Bible and Islamic teachings. Here’s why this argument is flawed: Context Matters: The Bible contains warnings about false prophets, but these warnings are not specific to any individual and were given in various contexts long before Prophet Muhammad's time. Claiming these verses specifically refer to Muhammad is an interpretative leap without basis in historical context. Prophet Muhammad in Islam: Muslims believe Prophet Muhammad is the last prophet sent by God, as foretold in the Quran. The Quran describes Muhammad as a truthful and trustworthy messenger. Accusations of him being a false prophet are contrary to the beliefs and testimonies of his character and mission recorded in Islamic tradition.Interfaith Respect: Dialogue between religious beliefs should be based on mutual respect and understanding. Misusing religious texts to delegitimize another faith does not foster constructive discussion or mutual respect.
Muhammad: here, put this blindfold on Christians: yeah…no thanks Muslims: ok! Whatever you say! Muhammad: walk there! Peace be upon me! Steers towards cliff
@KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nk 53 minutes ago (edited) I already talked about all these but I will say them again. "No one can change Allah's words" mean if Allah sais something will happen nothing can stop it from happening. It doesnt mean what you Christians think. I also already talked about what Surah 5 44-47 mean. The whole part is about how Jews in Medina always asked Muhammed questions to "judge by Muhammed" so that they could find an opening and show Muhammed bad but they already had had their own laws (Ten Commandments) so that they can judge by themselves. They were even sent Isa to confirm the Ten Commamdments. If you read the other verses after and before these verses you would understand it. I also wonder why do we need to know the original one to say Bible is corrupted. We as Muslims believe Quran is from Allah because it makes sense. Quran sais Bible is corrupted therefore we believe Bible is corrupted. If Bible made sense to us we would be Christian anyway. If a book told you to worship an elephant and we have historical evidence to know it wasnt corrupted would you believe it. No. Because it wouldnt make sense. Also Surah 5 48 sais that Quran is "confirmation and supreme authority" over scriptures that came before. That Quran is confirmation over Bible and Torah doesnt mean it sais the whole Bible and Torah is true. Think of it like this. You write a history book and show it to a professor historian for him to show you the true and wrong parts of your book. Now this historian is supreme authority over your book because it decides about it. But he is also confirmation on it since it also confirms the true parts of your book. We believe there is also truth in Bible and Torah and Quran confirms the correct parts of them. You understand the word "confirmation" the way you want to and then
@@Faithexplorer4376again, you try and twist your verses in favor of you. Not what they flat out say. And I ask again: where is the proof of the “original’s” existence? You can make all these claims if you like, but they won’t stand or be counted as valid without the proof to back it up. Give us the evidence that there was a different Gospel than what we have.
@@arafatmarius331I’ll never understand how Muslims can follow a god that boasts to be the “best of schemers”🤢 وَمَكَرُوا۟ وَمَكَرَ ٱللَّهُۖ وَٱللَّهُ خَیۡرُ ٱلۡمَـٰكِرِینَ﴿ ٥٤ ﴾ • Mohammed Marmaduke William Pickthall: And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers. _Āli-ʿImrān, Ayah 54_
The Quran literally copies from other books, claims there corrupt, then they try and choose what stuff is true in a totally “corrupted book”. Literally special pleading
Again you can't say an illiterate copy a book without knowing how to read. And how can it copy something and historically correct it? And again you can't say that it took Jesus believes from the bible because there are not and it cannot be invented and people belive it And before screaming that there are historical evidence that the bible is true and then giving the bible as a evidence stop Most Atheistic sources consider Jesus didn't even existed or clearly he didn't get crucified.Because Romans would've seen a guy getting raised from death and converted imidiatly ...But fine let's not take logic
Qureshi pagan idolatry , Arianism and gnostic gospels. It's a copy and paste religion. It even steals holy sites. It has nothing original. Buffet ahh religion.
Seriously, it’s embarrassing. Even one of the Qurans authors has a criminal record of stealing books and plagiarism. “Studies in Early Hadith Literature” by M. M. Azami, pg 128 line 82. Aside from that, the “teachings” can be traced between Arab mythology, the Gospel of Thomas, even Greek medical manuscripts.
Ahh yes a book about a guy from long ago talking about jesus hundreds of years later by a man who didn't know anything about the old testament very trustworthy....
@@McShawtieDoggoit defies the very definition of “miracle”, as Testify has demonstrated in his miracles series. I don’t see how a book defies the laws of nature or physics.
@KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nk 53 minutes ago (edited) I already talked about all these but I will say them again. "No one can change Allah's words" mean if Allah sais something will happen nothing can stop it from happening. It doesnt mean what you Christians think. I also already talked about what Surah 5 44-47 mean. The whole part is about how Jews in Medina always asked Muhammed questions to "judge by Muhammed" so that they could find an opening and show Muhammed bad but they already had had their own laws (Ten Commandments) so that they can judge by themselves. They were even sent Isa to confirm the Ten Commamdments. If you read the other verses after and before these verses you would understand it. I also wonder why do we need to know the original one to say Bible is corrupted. We as Muslims believe Quran is from Allah because it makes sense. Quran sais Bible is corrupted therefore we believe Bible is corrupted. If Bible made sense to us we would be Christian anyway. If a book told you to worship an elephant and we have historical evidence to know it wasnt corrupted would you believe it. No. Because it wouldnt make sense. Also Surah 5 48 sais that Quran is "confirmation and supreme authority" over scriptures that came before. That Quran is confirmation over Bible and Torah doesnt mean it sais the whole Bible and Torah is true. Think of it like this. You write a history book and show it to a professor historian for him to show you the true and wrong parts of your book. Now this historian is supreme authority over your book because it decides about it. But he is also confirmation on it since it also confirms the true parts of your book. We believe there is also truth in Bible and Torah and Quran confirms the correct parts of them. You understand the word "confirmation" the way you want to and then
@@TomAdo-ot4ci Comment 1: "Ahh yes a book about a guy from long ago talking about Jesus hundreds of years later by a man who didn't know anything about the Old Testament very trustworthy...." Counterargument: Historical Accuracy: The Quran is believed by Muslims to be the word of God revealed to Prophet Muhammad, who is seen as the final prophet in a long line of prophets, including those from the Old and New Testaments. While Prophet Muhammad himself did not study the Old Testament, his revelations in the Quran contain detailed knowledge of biblical stories and figures, which Muslims believe were divinely revealed. Divine Revelation: The Quran is considered a divine revelation, not a historical account written from human knowledge. This belief asserts that the information in the Quran is directly from God, who has complete knowledge of all past events, including those in the Old Testament. This makes the Quran a trustworthy source for Muslims. Consistency with Previous Scriptures: The Quran acknowledges previous scriptures (the Torah and the Gospel) and affirms their original messages, though it asserts that these texts have been altered over time. This perspective is not unique to Islam but is a foundational aspect of the faith, emphasizing continuity and completion of God's message through Prophet Muhammad. Comment 2: "Don't forget he couldn't even read" Counterargument: Miracle of Revelation: The fact that Prophet Muhammad was illiterate (unlettered) is actually a significant point in Islam, reinforcing the miraculous nature of the Quran. Muslims believe that an unlettered man bringing forth such a profound and complex text, filled with deep knowledge and wisdom, is a testament to its divine origin. Oral Tradition: During Muhammad’s time, oral tradition was a primary mode of preserving knowledge. His illiteracy did not hinder him from receiving, memorizing, and conveying the revelations. His followers meticulously memorized and later transcribed these revelations, ensuring their preservation. Comment 3: "yeah the book just fell from heaven or he just learned it from over 20 years in the desert without forgetting it..." Counterargument: Process of Revelation: The Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad over a period of 23 years through the angel Gabriel. This gradual revelation allowed for the message to be internalized and memorized by the Prophet and his followers. The process ensured the text was preserved accurately and disseminated effectively among early Muslims. Role of Companions: Muhammad’s companions played a crucial role in memorizing and writing down the Quranic verses as they were revealed. The preservation of the Quran involved a community effort, with many individuals memorizing the entire text, which safeguarded it against alterations. Comment 4: "it defies the very definition of 'miracle', as Testify has demonstrated in his miracles series. I don't see how a book defies the laws of nature or physics." Counterargument: Definition of Miracle: In Islamic theology, a miracle (mu'jiza) is an extraordinary event that surpasses human capability and understanding, attributed to divine intervention. The Quran, with its unparalleled linguistic beauty, profound wisdom, and consistency, is considered a literary and spiritual miracle. Linguistic Miracle: The Quran’s linguistic style, depth, and structure are viewed as miraculous, especially considering the Prophet’s illiteracy. The challenge posed in the Quran for anyone to produce a chapter like it has stood unmet for over 1,400 years, highlighting its unique nature. Impact on Society: The transformative effect of the Quran on individuals and society, its guidance on all aspects of life, and its consistency and preservation through centuries, all contribute to its status as a miracle in Islam. Its ability to provide moral and spiritual guidance across generations and cultures further underscores its miraculous nature. Conclusion In summary, these counterarguments highlight the Islamic perspective on the divine origin and preservation of the Quran, the significance of Prophet Muhammad’s illiteracy in reinforcing the miraculous nature of the Quran, and the broader understanding of miracles in Islam. This approach aims to clarify misconceptions and provide a respectful and informed response to the comments
You have no idea how many times I’ve destroyed Muslim arguments with this bit of knowledge. They still try and weasel their way out to keep slamming their head into the wall. Oh, and the whole the “Quran has been preserved” thing is false. There is over 30 versions and variations today with over 95,000 differences. Even the original Quran was split into 7 different editions to allow different Arabic dialects to read. Except they forgot to make sure that all the verses were exactly the same. Cause they weren’t, as can be shown today.
@@danielromani2964 don’t forget how in their authentic hadiths it records how many years after Muhammad’s death there was so many different Qurans that were so contradictory from eachother a uthman commanded to get all those Qurans and burn everything then make a brand new standard version and then somehow that standard Arabic version later turned into several Arabic versions, the Quran historically legit can’t be trusted that it was preserved
26 quran argument has been debunked. We have a quran to the prophet time but no first century bible ay There's no 7 additions there called qirats they changed simple text like this Micheal and Michael are the same name but just different pronouciantion
Let's refute the video we have today from this dude @KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nk 53 minutes ago (edited) I already talked about all these but I will say them again. "No one can change Allah's words" mean if Allah sais something will happen nothing can stop it from happening. It doesnt mean what you Christians think. I also already talked about what Surah 5 44-47 mean. The whole part is about how Jews in Medina always asked Muhammed questions to "judge by Muhammed" so that they could find an opening and show Muhammed bad but they already had had their own laws (Ten Commandments) so that they can judge by themselves. They were even sent Isa to confirm the Ten Commamdments. If you read the other verses after and before these verses you would understand it. I also wonder why do we need to know the original one to say Bible is corrupted. We as Muslims believe Quran is from Allah because it makes sense. Quran sais Bible is corrupted therefore we believe Bible is corrupted. If Bible made sense to us we would be Christian anyway. If a book told you to worship an elephant and we have historical evidence to know it wasnt corrupted would you believe it. No. Because it wouldnt make sense. Also Surah 5 48 sais that Quran is "confirmation and supreme authority" over scriptures that came before. That Quran is confirmation over Bible and Torah doesnt mean it sais the whole Bible and Torah is true. Think of it like this. You write a history book and show it to a professor historian for him to show you the true and wrong parts of your book. Now this historian is supreme authority over your book because it decides about it. But he is also confirmation on it since it also confirms the true parts of your book. We believe there is also truth in Bible and Torah and Quran confirms the correct parts of them. You understand the word "confirmation" the way you want to and then
@@zadasaida Maybe because Jesus knows that there would be others before him claiming to be prophets. That’s why he said “prophets” instead of “prophet”. Because his not warning about only one prophet. I mean I’m pretty sure there are lots of people back in the day claiming to be prophets not just Muhammad.
in the bible and or the torah mohammed was mentioned as the final prophet. but clearly you don't know that, because you're busy getting married without an official marriage.
Great point. If Allah is so adamant about preserving his word, how did he drop the ball so badly and allow the Torah and Gospel to be corrupted so badly that he had to send Muhammad to clarify the message.? And if he couldn't stop his revelation from being corrupted before, why should anyone believe that he could prevent the same thing from happening again, especially when the Surah that you quoted stated that people were already doing it during Muhammad's time? Allah and his sinless, perfect prophets need to do better. The Quran is self-refuting nonsense. A comedy of errors.
@@Just_a_Reflection because people are corrupt and imperfect. God lets the people to corrupt the books but will be p*nished in the here after like everybody else who wronged
Ok, since when did god promise to preserve the torah and bible (or injil as we might say) ? Because god did not make a promise that he will preserve those books then why can't it be corrupted?
@@rasyagi4570he did so when he said that his words can’t be corrupted, then went on to claim the Gospel and Torah as his words. Because he claimed them as his, either his word is corruptible, or it isn’t. Which means the Quran is also exposed to this should the answer be that his word is corruptible. But if it’s not, then the Gospel and Torah can’t according to the Quran. See the catch 22?
@@ahmed_hamoda9783 it doesn't just reference, rather it's connected, we don't say the old testament was corrupted, but rather fulfilled in the New Testament. Islam however references these books and call them corrupted. And our books are made up of different other books, connecting with each one, and prophets reference the birth of Christ from the very beginning. Through the generational names that God provided to the fulfillment of those prophecies and God's law by Jesus. They still reference one another up to Revelations.
@@FollowChristbro the reason the books are called corrupted is because the people corrupted them (Rabbi's etc. , even during Jesus' time Scribes changed the Torah imagine what happened after Jesus (pbuh)) even Bible Scholars agree to that statement no? the transmission of the manuscripts alone has a significant impact Scrolls found in caves without diaritics that some Rabbi's have to change the words for the diacritics to make sense to the sentance? another thing... why was the 4 Gospels picked off the 50 Gospels? Gnostic and Infancy? Jewish-Christian gospels? is it because the 4 mention the Crucifixion? did you know that because of these same prophecies the Jews reject Jesus as he didn't do anything (like free the people from Romans for example) except Miracles and you claim he died? do you have a passage that say "The Messiah shall die for the people"? key word "Messiah/Anoited One"
If Islam is correct, Jesus is both the second best prophet of all time AND he was such a bad prophet that he led his followers from Judaism to polytheism.
its because according to sahih muslim 6666 christians take on the sins of muslims so muslims can go to heaven, allah started christianity to create a population of sacrificial lambs
Some of my thoughts/questions. Muslims often claim/say your Gospel was lost or corrupted. But is it not (from their worldview) Allah's Gospel? From what I have read, the Quran claims the Gospel was preserved & present at the time of Muhammad. Then why don't Muslims take responsibility for retaining the Gospel. The Gospel is supposed to prove Muhammad is a Prophet. It seems common sense they would keep copies of the Gospel/Injeel to show the evidence for Muhammad. And I mean from Muhammad's time forward.
That’s exactly the problem. They don’t have proof of an “original” Gospel, which leaves the ones we have as the only valid ties to what the Quran claims. Then there is the issue of the Bible and Quran contradicting each other on many subjects: was Jesus God or not, how to get to Heaven, even some of the events of history like Abraham putting up Isaac or Ishmael. So the Quran can’t be a continuation of the Bible. And there’s the point of the whole video, where it shows how the Quran ends up false any way you slice it. Either the Bible is true and the Quran is false, or the Bible is false, in which case the Quran is wrong to claim it as there is no proof of any “original” Gospel to bail it out
They can’t tell you what the injeel is, so it’s hard to answer you unless you speak to a Muslim directly. As their theology is just head canon, there’s no standardization or reason. Erik is even making an assumption that injeel is gospel, as they claim the true gospel was given to “Isa son of Myriam” then was corrupted. But that begs the question, where is the original injeel? If they claim it is the gospels then you run into Erik’s refutation. If they sense that coming they will claim we don’t know and the gospels were all made up. So then you need the historicity argument which they deny vehemently. I’ve also been told the injeel is the gospel of John alone, which doesn’t work for so many reasons 😂 hope I helped but to answer you, they don’t even know so don’t worry if you’re confused. You should be, God is not the author of confusion or the Quran.
@jacobfavret1729 I get all that. My point is the Muslims put the onus on Christians. When the onus and responsibility is really on the Muslims to have kept and preserved the Injeel/Gospel....(in truth iNGEL is just short for evaNGELion...aka "NGEL" But to me, it amazes me that Muslims get off scott free from not preserving "Muslim" scriptures. As they claim Jesus was a muslim.
@@Uncommonvirtue777 Argument 1: "They don't have proof of an 'original' Gospel, which leaves the ones we have as the only valid ties to what the Quran claims." Counterargument: Islamic Perspective on Previous Scriptures: Islam teaches that the original revelations given to previous prophets, including the Gospel (Injil) given to Jesus, were true and from God. However, these scriptures were altered over time. The absence of the original texts does not invalidate the claim; it aligns with the Quran's assertion of textual corruption. Historical Context: Historical and textual criticism of the Bible indicates numerous alterations and inconsistencies. The Quran's claim of alteration finds some support in these scholarly findings. Therefore, the Quran's position is not inherently baseless but is rooted in historical and textual analysis. Argument 2: "The Bible and Quran contradict each other on many subjects: was Jesus God or not, how to get to Heaven, even some of the events of history like Abraham putting up Isaac or Ishmael. So the Quran can't be a continuation of the Bible." Counterargument: Clarification and Correction: From the Islamic viewpoint, the Quran was sent to clarify and correct the alterations in previous scriptures. The Quran provides what Muslims believe is the correct understanding of theological concepts and historical events. Different Covenants: Islam sees itself not as a contradiction but as the final and complete revelation, building upon and correcting past messages. The differences in theological points, such as the nature of Jesus, are seen as clarifications rather than contradictions. Argument 3: "There is no proof of any 'original' Gospel to bail it out. They can't tell you what the Injil is." Counterargument: Concept of Divine Revelation: The Quran's assertion is that the Injil was the revelation given to Jesus, distinct from the gospels written later. Muslims are not required to provide a physical copy of the original Injil to validate their beliefs, as the Quran itself is considered the final and preserved word of God. Reliance on Revelation: Muslims believe that God’s revelation through the Quran is sufficient proof of the original messages. The Quran reiterates and reaffirms the core messages of earlier prophets, which is seen as evidence of their continuity. Argument 4: "Muslims put the onus on Christians. When the onus and responsibility is really on the Muslims to have kept and preserved the Injil/Gospel." Counterargument: Historical Context: According to Islamic teachings, the preservation of previous scriptures was the responsibility of the communities to whom they were given. The Quran was revealed to be the final and protected scripture, and its preservation was ensured through meticulous oral and written traditions. Role of the Quran: The Quran serves as the final and complete guidance, superseding previous scriptures. Therefore, the preservation of the Quran takes precedence, and the belief is that it encompasses the true essence of all previous revelations. Argument 5: "Jesus was a Muslim. Muslims should have preserved 'Muslim' scriptures." Counterargument: Definition of 'Muslim': In Islamic terminology, a 'Muslim' is someone who submits to the will of God. Therefore, all prophets, including Jesus, are considered 'Muslims' in this sense. This does not mean that the community of Prophet Muhammad was responsible for preserving previous scriptures. Role of Successive Revelations: Each prophet's community was responsible for their own scriptures until the final revelation (the Quran) was given to Prophet Muhammad. The Quran's role is to act as the definitive guide, encompassing and confirming previous revelations. Argument 6: "The Quran ends up false any way you slice it. Either the Bible is true and the Quran is false, or the Bible is false, in which case the Quran is wrong to claim it." Counterargument: Correction, Not Contradiction: The Islamic perspective is that the Quran corrects and finalizes the previous revelations. The assertion is that the Bible contains elements of truth but has been altered. Thus, the Quran can be true even if parts of the Bible are not, as it aims to restore the original message. Scriptural Integrity: The preservation of the Quran, supported by historical evidence of consistent manuscripts and widespread memorization, strengthens the claim of its authenticity and divine origin. This preservation is seen as fulfilling the promise that the final revelation would be protected from alteration. Conclusion In summary, the Islamic perspective on the Injil and the Quran's relationship with previous scriptures is nuanced and deeply rooted in theological and historical contexts. The arguments presented by critics often misunderstand or misrepresent these beliefs. By clarifying the role of the Quran as a final and corrective revelation, the consistency of its preservation, and the broader theological framework, a more accurate understanding of the Islamic position can be provided.
the gospel was NOT preserved at the time of mohammed, it was already corrupted. plus, why preserve something old, when god gave us his words again. we should preserve the quran because it's essentially god's last words
@@TestifyApologetics Just asking why dont you prove that judaism or buddhism or any other religion is wrong? Why wont you prove that satanists are wrong? why do you have to do your best to prove that muslims are wrong? Look ill subscribe to your channel and do a research about your religion ONLY if you have a debate with the sheikh othman on youtube and post the video
@KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nk 53 minutes ago (edited) I already talked about all these but I will say them again. "No one can change Allah's words" mean if Allah sais something will happen nothing can stop it from happening. It doesnt mean what you Christians think. I also already talked about what Surah 5 44-47 mean. The whole part is about how Jews in Medina always asked Muhammed questions to "judge by Muhammed" so that they could find an opening and show Muhammed bad but they already had had their own laws (Ten Commandments) so that they can judge by themselves. They were even sent Isa to confirm the Ten Commamdments. If you read the other verses after and before these verses you would understand it. I also wonder why do we need to know the original one to say Bible is corrupted. We as Muslims believe Quran is from Allah because it makes sense. Quran sais Bible is corrupted therefore we believe Bible is corrupted. If Bible made sense to us we would be Christian anyway. If a book told you to worship an elephant and we have historical evidence to know it wasnt corrupted would you believe it. No. Because it wouldnt make sense. Also Surah 5 48 sais that Quran is "confirmation and supreme authority" over scriptures that came before. That Quran is confirmation over Bible and Torah doesnt mean it sais the whole Bible and Torah is true. Think of it like this. You write a history book and show it to a professor historian for him to show you the true and wrong parts of your book. Now this historian is supreme authority over your book because it decides about it. But he is also confirmation on it since it also confirms the true parts of your book. We believe there is also truth in Bible and Torah and Quran confirms the correct parts of them. You understand the word "confirmation" the way you want to and then
@@Faithexplorer4376 I might be wrong so please correct me, but as far as i'm aware in islam you believe that the word of allah is unchangable and uncorruptable, and also believe that the bible and torah are the word of God, but the Bible contradicts the Quran. You obviously know more about Islam than i do so i assume you have a good anwser for me
@@Faithexplorer4376again, you try and twist your verses in favor of you. Not what they flat out say. And I ask again: where is the proof of the Injil’s existence? You can make all these claims if you like, but they won’t stand or be counted as valid without the proof to back it up. Give us the evidence that there was a different Gospel than what we have. Just because “something makes sense” doesn’t suddenly make it correct or truthful.
@@JesusisKing-b4jhe’s gonna give you the same narrative: that there was an “original” Gospel given to Jesus called the Injil. This is supposed to contain what Muslims believe is the true message. They argue that this Injil was never actually changed and therefore uncorrupted. That the Gospels in the Bible were made completely separate from it, using it as a basis for their creation. The problem is there is no evidence of its existence. Not even asking for a copy, there is no proof of it existing. And worse, the verses both you and the video mention refers to the Gospel in the present tense, suggesting it was around in the false prophet’s time. And because we have no evidence of the existence of the Injil, the only valid conclusion is that the Quran refers to the Gospels in the Bible. All 4 of which contradict the Quran.
@KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nk 53 minutes ago (edited) I already talked about all these but I will say them again. "No one can change Allah's words" mean if Allah sais something will happen nothing can stop it from happening. It doesnt mean what you Christians think. I also already talked about what Surah 5 44-47 mean. The whole part is about how Jews in Medina always asked Muhammed questions to "judge by Muhammed" so that they could find an opening and show Muhammed bad but they already had had their own laws (Ten Commandments) so that they can judge by themselves. They were even sent Isa to confirm the Ten Commamdments. If you read the other verses after and before these verses you would understand it. I also wonder why do we need to know the original one to say Bible is corrupted. We as Muslims believe Quran is from Allah because it makes sense. Quran sais Bible is corrupted therefore we believe Bible is corrupted. If Bible made sense to us we would be Christian anyway. If a book told you to worship an elephant and we have historical evidence to know it wasnt corrupted would you believe it. No. Because it wouldnt make sense. Also Surah 5 48 sais that Quran is "confirmation and supreme authority" over scriptures that came before. That Quran is confirmation over Bible and Torah doesnt mean it sais the whole Bible and Torah is true. Think of it like this. You write a history book and show it to a professor historian for him to show you the true and wrong parts of your book. Now this historian is supreme authority over your book because it decides about it. But he is also confirmation on it since it also confirms the true parts of your book. We believe there is also truth in Bible and Torah and Quran confirms the correct parts of them. You understand the word "confirmation" the way you want to and then
@@Faithexplorer4376prove it. And Testify has literally done videos addressing how they were written earlier than we think. Not to mention, tell me how long after the false prophet passed were the earliest Hadiths written? Hm?
My favorite line is from redeemed zoomer. "Knock knock, it's Muhammad. He's politely asking everyone to become muslim. When that doesn't work he asks less politely"
wojak fan spotted. and don't say thing like that. mohammed is no fictional character that is in public domain. it is never ok to make stories like that about religious figures. it is rude and disrespectful.
@@user-wm6bi9mz9w Sure, no more jokes about Muhammad. Btw what is wojak, I'm C.S. Lewis and Thomas Aquinas fan. I read, I don't watch a muslim dude walk around and attack The Bible. + At least I don't just disappear in comments after running out of arguments.
@@andro6534 bro.. wait, who that 'muslim dude' you're referring to? i don't watch any muslims attacking the bible, for i believe they're hypocrites, because i think a muslim should not mock or attack or 'debunk'' other religions. because the quran teaches religion tolerance. but sure, we have our believes about the bible being corrupted. but i don't personally agree with people who attack others. because there is really a chance that we are wrong. we don't have evidence, so we shouldn't attack. but that's a belief that i won't change in my heart. whatever, i'm contradicting myself kinda. but thanks, i won't mock any religion too. i said wojak fan, because you talked about 'zoomer'.. i'm no wojak fan myself. but i've been watchin such content recently because many yt creators of the genre have 'a day in the life ' video of different jobs and people. i love philosophy too, but i know so little about it. we're no pen pals. i must stop too. i do run out of arguments it's true. lol.. and i disappear
muslims: every muslim knows the book 100% memorized, everyone knows the same answer "how old was aisha when doing it with muhammad?" Muslims response: ,6,7,8,9,0,10,12,16,17,18,19,23,24,25,26 (lol)
Bro it was Like 2000 years ago who knows what other disgusting things they have been doing in the 7TH CENTURY this doesnt change that he was a prophet and has nothing to do with his actual life yknow spreading the quran and all that
@@RobinaRiyaz-jv3gn I'm not following my religion blindly.. I have many evidences.. Muhammad force the 7th century people to follow his religion blindly lol you busted yourself
Al Fadi and Cira International have done great work exposing the flaws and outright lies in the Standard Islamic Narrative. I highly recommend checking them out.
like? are the expert arabic speakers? even people who graduated from 3 universaties atleast and study Quran for Life say there's no Flaw in it 💀 i don't remember her name but she graduated from Birlin and other universaties and is expert in the Quran says it has no flaw and it's linguistic ability is a masterpiece you sure these are not hate speakers or bad translations?
@@ahmed_hamoda9783 its very clearly sarcasm. a) Muslims whine about hate all day despite the fact they openly hate all non Muslims and b) this is something Muslims are completed to say, despite the fact tis completely unfalsifiable and subjective and could never be a criteria for truth, the fact the Quran even makes an argument that bad is pretty clear proof it is not from God.
I once had a conversation with a Muslim friend of mine, and I share with her some of this points about the inconsistency of Islam. She replied to me that when the Quran talks about the facts that Jews and Christians need to obey their Scriptures, the text is not referring to the ones alive in Mohammed's days but to those alive when the Scriptures were not corrupt yet, and when the Quran says that nobody can change God's word, it's referring specifically to the Quran and to no other book, or it refers to the fact that God's will is undefeated. How can I efficiently answer such claims?
You could ask her to prove that the key dogmas in both the Old and New Testaments are corrupted (such as, God being a Father, Priestly hierarchy, etc.)?
There's over 20 verses in Quran confirming the scriptures in our *_possession_* in 7th century. If she doubts it, show her 5.43 Tafsir of Ibn Kathir. Mohamad is literally holding a COPY of the Torah in the 7th century and swearing by it, even though he never read it. 5.41-44 Tafsir Ibn Kathir They arranged a pillow for the Messenger of Allah and he sat on it and said, «ائْتُونِي بِالتَّوْرَاة» (Bring the Tawrah to me.) He was brought the Tawrah and he removed the pillow from under him and *placed the Tawrah on it,* ✋📕✋ saying, «آمَنْتُ بِكِ وَبِمَنْ أَنْزَلَك» *(I trust YOU* and He Who revealed it to you.) 👉📕
Same story in Hadith, in case she doubts the Tafsir. Sunan Abi Dawud 4449 They placed a cushion for the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who sat on it and said: *Bring the Torah. It was then **_brought._* He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: *I believed in **_thee_* and in Him Who revealed thee. Grade: Hasan
Here's the context of "none can change God's words" 6.114 Allah gave you the Quran and to those whom Allah gave [the prior scriptures] they know it [the Quran] is the truth 6.115 The words [in the prior scriptures] have been fulfilled [about the Quran and Mohamad]. *None can change His words* Q: *_WHY_* do they know the Quran is true? A: *_BECAUSE_* none can change his words. Therefore they will find it written in their books. So actually "None Can Change His Words" is the REASON they KNOW that Quran is the "truth" because they can READ IT *_in their books_* because they're unchanged. But this has not been effective for me in the past, they don't accept interpretation of a Christian, only the words of Mohamad so better to just stick to giving them Mohamad's words.
the verse telling christians and jews to follow their scriptures says "YOU people of the scripture" which means mohammad is saying this TO the christians and jews in the present, not ABOUT the two groups from the past second, if the verse about changing allahs words said no one can change "the book" (which in the quran normally refers to itself) or "his word" id give them that one, but it says wordS, plural which means its not referring to the quran specifically because that would imply his other revelations are not actually his revelations, which would be a contradiction
@@danielromani2964 Crusades k*lled Jews as their first thing they were NOT a response (even thought they claim they were) they even fought Christians who didn't fight them but had a different idea of God/belief
This is why I'm not religious lmao. Because you Christians think this video basically disproves Islam, but there are arguments by Islam in response to this. Just like there are hundreds of videos disproving Christianity, and Christians can 'refute' those vids. SHOCKER people. You're both correct. Organised religion does not hold the truth u silly ppl.
All what i am thinking about is why do some christians shove their noses up in islam and keep complaining about how they hate it and not even making videos discovering their holy book or even reading it
You know a religious group (Christian’s) are desperate and insecure about their faith being true that they blindly follow a guy talking ignorantly about a faith that shadows over it to delude themselves to make them selves feel better
Muhammads mainly only had contacts with heretical forms of Christianity with strange views on Christology. That's why, Quran has misguided assumptions about Christianity and Christian texts.
His major source of information on Jesus is the gospel of Mary Magdalene. That's where he got the whole talking in the crib thing. Which as we now know is a gnostic gospel
@moosa86 no. In the koran the trinity isn't properly explained and it's said that Christian view the mother mary as part of it. Muhammad didn't know what most Christians actually believed, only a small group of Arabian heretics
@user-gc6wd7dm4w does Jesus talk in the crib in Qur'an or not? Which book had this information before Qur'an? It was the gospel of Mary Magdalene. Very clearly, the source of information for the Qur'an is this gnostic gospel. Which is a modern forgery. We know that now
@@moosa86 Jesus is God in new testament, but in Qur'an, he's not. Qur'an also gets the Trinity wrong than new testament, even if it was trying to condemn it. It also denies the crucifixion unlike the new testament as well as History itself. It also for some strange reason thinks that Jews think Ezra to be the son of God, if it had said that about Ezekiel, i could maybe understand. Mohammad's only source of information are gnostic gospels, so he makes them to be his authority over the Christians and pretends to be Allah's prophet to illiterate Arabs, most had no means of doing research on Christianity themselves.
Besides the Koran itself, one of the main reasons why I'll never become a muslim is because if you were to get the most popular and smartest muslim scholars on why they dont belive in the bible then they typically rely on their own confusion on the trinity and it's so silly😂
That Irish Orthodox Christian who debated Sneako pointed out that his inability to understand the Trinity is not actually an argument for it being false. It's just a declaration of your own ignorance. Mind you it's Sneako but the point still stands.
@@TonyTheRodentLover the trinity can’t exist as they are either dependent or independent of each other and either way, they can’t be God. If you’d like a deeper explanation, I’ll give you one
@@TonyTheRodentLover Defending Islam Against Misconceptions About the Trinity Critique of Trinity by Muslim Scholars: @TonyTheRodentLover: "Muslim scholars often cite confusion about the Trinity as a reason not to believe in the Bible." Response: Muslim scholars and many others critique the concept of the Trinity not out of confusion but based on theological reasoning. Here are a few points: Logical Incoherence of the Trinity: @MontuDesigns: "The Trinity can't exist as they are either dependent or independent of each other and either way, they can't be God." Explanation: The Trinity doctrine proposes that God is three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) in one essence. However, this leads to logical contradictions: Dependency Issue: If the three persons of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, they cannot be dependent on each other. Yet, they are described as distinct entities within one Godhead. Unity Issue: If the Trinity is one God, they must share a single divine essence. However, if they are distinct persons, they must also have distinct identities, which challenges the concept of absolute unity. Biblical Interpretations: @Cabbage22927: "Muhammad should have kept the Gospels and Jesus out of his teachings." Response: The Qur'an acknowledges Jesus (Isa) as a revered prophet and messenger, and addresses the misconceptions regarding his role in Christianity. Islam's teachings emphasize the unity and oneness of God (Tawhid) without plurality or division into distinct persons. Addressing the Trinity's Complexity Human Understanding: @ballistic9644: "The Trinity is not something that can be fully comprehended by humans." Response: While Christians assert the mystery of the Trinity, Islam maintains that God's nature should be understandable within the limits of human reason and revelation. The Qur'an consistently reinforces the concept of monotheism without introducing complexities like the Trinity.
Galatians 1:9 NIV [9] As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Alright, Lets do this one last time *puts Spiderman mask on* "The Quran claims the Gospels are divinely inspired and preserved, yet it contradicts key Christian doctrines, such as the divinity of Jesus and his resurrection. ", The Quran does not claim the gospels are preserved, yet It is divinely inspired. Just completely flawed and unpreserved To tackle each point you made, we first have to take each ayat (verse) from each surah (Chapter) in full context to what was said BEFORE and AFTER it Surah Al Ma'ida 5:47 "So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the rebellious.", Indeed, Allah is telling the Christians to look in their own books for judgement, But allah says so as a challenge to the validity of the Bible, it's an arabic rhetorical device called "نكر" (nakr) Which means "to deny" or "to repudiate." It often pertains to rejecting something or refusing to acknowledge it in what may be a question, And The context in which it is used can vary based on the sentence structure and accompanying words. If we look in the same surah at Ayah 5:41 "O Messenger! Do not grieve for those who race to disbelieve-those who say, “We believe” with their tongues, but their hearts are in disbelief. Nor those among the Jews who eagerly listen to lies, attentive to those who are too arrogant to come to you. They distort the Scripture, taking rulings out of context, then say, “If this is the ruling you get ˹from Muhammad˺, accept it. If not, beware!” Whoever Allah allows to be deluded, you can never be of any help to them against Allah. It is not Allah’s Will to purify their hearts. For them is disgrace in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter." Later Allah says "They eagerly listen to falsehood and consume forbidden gain. So if they come to you ˹O Prophet˺, either judge between them or turn away from them. If you turn away from them, they cannot harm you whatsoever. But if you judge between them, then do so with justice. Surely Allah loves those who are just." . Allah then continues to use The example at how the Jews had the Torah revealed to them, and Denied the Bible and what Allah preaches, and how the Christians will deny the Quran in the same way. When he says let the people of the gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it, Its a challenge for the Christians to compare the gospel to the Quran, In terms of what Allah has brought in both scriptures. in the context of the surah, However it can not be taken outside of the Arabic context nor outside the context of what was said Before it. "The Quran's assertions about the gospels as reliable revelations clash with its own claims of corruption. This contradiction undermines the Quran's credibility as a divine text." We as Muslims acknowledge the gospel and the torah as holy books sent by Allah that were unpreserved my guy, We are not saying the versions we have now are Valid in any way, shape, or form. but the versions that were revealed to Jesus and Moses were sent by Allah, as well as all the revelations sent by the prophets beforehand. However we also believe that over time each scripture becomes corrupted, And people twist the words in them through translation and Lack of preservation or just overall confusion that they are unreliable and outdated, We don't believe that the Quran is the new and improved gospel, we believe that it is the same material Allah sent on all prophets, but this time it is preserved in it s original language, preserved through oral memorization passed on through centuries, and the exact same as the first source revealed to the Sahaba by the prophet (The companions of the prophet at that time) The Quran's perspective on Jesus and the Gospels can be understood within its own theological framework. As we as Muslims believe that the Quran provides the final and complete revelation, which may reinterpret earlier scriptures rather than contradict them. The differences can be seen as a clarification of previous messages rather than outright contradictions. The Quran acknowledges the Gospels as part of a broader divine message. Differences in theological interpretation do not necessarily imply contradiction; they can reflect the evolution of religious understanding over time. Each scripture serves its purpose within its own context. it suggests that alterations may have occurred over time. This does not negate their original divine inspiration but indicates a need for the Quran to provide the final, unaltered message. The Quran's confirmation of previous scriptures can be viewed as an affirmation of their original messages, while the contradictions may arise from differing interpretations of those messages. The Quran provides a new context for understanding these teachings. Any point you made after this can be answered with those same exact answers, and when an argument draws back to one conclusion, It usually means there s a lack of understanding to the Material that argument is based upon by said "debunk" Muslim apologists argue that the Quran critiques Christian and Jewish scriptures for corruption. But The Quran's critiques can be LITERALLY seen as addressing specific practices or interpretations of scripture that were prevalent at the time of its revelation which literally does not imply a blanket statement about the entirety of the previous scriptures but rather a call for adherence to the original divine message. "why Didnt earlier texts like the Torah and Gospels were not similarly safeguarded." There are whole books written by various theologians about that exact same question, and to put it simply it is because of translations my friend The original languages of the Bible And Torah are primarily Original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. All languages that not only predate the Germanic languages we are used to now, but are also languages with different rhetorical devices, grammar structures, and just look ENTIRELY different The Hebrew spoken during the time of Moses (approximately 1300-1200 BCE) is considered to be an earlier form of the language that has evolved over time. While modern Hebrew retains many features of Biblical Hebrew, it has also undergone significant changes, including the addition of new vocabulary and grammatical structures. Therefore, while they are related, the Hebrew used during Moses' time is not the same as contemporary Hebrew. Preserving those books in their original language, then accurately depicting what they mean in our modern day languages not only proves to be a difficult task, but almost nigh impossible since The books of the Bible were initially written and copied by hand on papyrus scrolls. And NO originals have survived. You could then pull up the point of the preservation by oral practice, but that isn't something the The Christians nor the Jews do, unlike the Muslims who had this as a customary practice since The very first Preaching of the Quran, hence why people memorize the entirety of the Quran word for word, and could recite every verse in every chapter by order flawlessly, Also since the language that the Quran came in, Arabic, is still widely used nowadays We can make sure that there have been no adjustments IF you want further proof for that, your first point was literally drawn based on your lack of understanding of the rhetorical tools Arabic uses, (which is very ironic In my opinion) Which just proves that the language barrier will always lead to misunderstanding the context of Words
@@danielromani2964ik i dont git proof and stuff and im probably sounding dumb but where is actual proof that the bible was written by jesus and not by some random author tryna brainwash people and same to the quran idk these stuff but someone correct me if im wrong pls
@@danielromani2964 the real injeel is lost. you tell me... when "Jesus" was spreading the gospel what was he spreading? it wasnt his lineage or his lore it was the word of a one God.
It's no mistake that the colors on all the flags of the Islamic Nations happened to be the colors of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. It's not a mistake because they follow the false prophet and their Beast is about to rise. But fear not,Jesus returns soon.
Oh yeah. Been putting that connection in the past few video comments now. Muslims seem to ignore when the Bible actively refuted their religion specifically despite it coming out centuries after these refutations were made. Coincidence? I think not.
No. It is not about Christianity vs Islam or religion. It is about God vs Satan. It is about Good Vs Evil. Satan's only goal is to be worshiped as "THE God" and have people DENY Jesus is God. They have named the entity "allah" and slaughtered millions in his name.
@@georgeorwellsghost3833 i respect christian but god being a human and come to earth to erase the sins ? like what ? god can never be human and he is way above our imagination . ask yourself a question if jesus was god but in human form ? did he go to the toilet ? like can god actually be like that ? cmon man
After looking into Surah 5:47-48, it quickly becomes apparent that the quran assumes that Christians have the Gospel and that Christians are to use it to judge Islam. That puts the Gospel above the quran. If the Gospel contradicts the quran, then the quran is false.
Needs some correction, 5.47-48 only tells the Christians to use the Gospel to judge for themselves, just like 5.43 told the Jews to judge by the Torah, but 5.48 still says Allah sent the Quran to the Arabs as the "truth," but Allah does not want us to be one people that's why he gave us each our own law (Torah, Gospel, Quran). So these verses specifically don't say the Gospel is above the Quran. Just that both should be used by different people. But there are other verses in the Quran that do give supremacy to the Torah and Gospel over the Quran. 10:94 - Mohamad doubted that Quran is from God, told to ask the Jews and Christians to tell him if Quran is true or not 21.7 - if you don't know something ask the Christians 7.157 - The Quran claims its validity through the Bible.
@@timd3895 Thank you for this response. The part I gather that says the Gospel is over the quran is where it commands People of the Gospel to judge. I agree it's for themselves, but judge what? I take it they are to judge the veracity of the claims Muhammed and the quran make, and so that is why I propose Surah 5:47 says the Gospel is above the quran. Thank you for your comment.
@@timd3895 10:94 the prophet responded with " When these verses were revealed, the Prophet (ﷺ) responded, “I am not in doubt and I will not ask ˹anyone˺.”" 21:7 EXPLCITILY talks about the messengers sent before the prophet, "We did not send ˹messengers˺ before you ˹O Prophet˺ except mere men inspired by Us. If you ˹polytheists˺ do not know ˹this already˺, then ask those who have knowledge ˹of the Scriptures˺." 7:157 there's slight argumentation about if verse 7:157 is talking about Moses or the prophet because of the verses leading up to that exact verse was about Moses peace
@@hermanwooster8944 judge good and bad, punishments etc. the Gospel is not over the Quran the Quran is the Criterion over the Torah and Gospel Gen 2:1-3 says God Rested on the 7th Day Quran says Allah did not get tired making the Heavens and the earth the Bible says Abraham and Joseph to Pharaoh Quran says Abraham spoke to someone who Allah gave Kingdom and Joseph to a King and MOses to Pharaoh verse 5:47 is is not talking about "The Gospel is over the Quran" shown by the verse itself 5:48 which explicitly says the Quran is the Supreme Authority over Previous Revelation
ah yes. the joke religion that is christianity getting relieved by hearing about misinformation about another religion from an unqualified individual that is a yter looking for some quick cash
@@TestifyApologetics lets talk about rationality , so god decided to come down here in form of human , marry gave birth of him and now we have jesus the god ofc . so since he was GOD how could he as in human form go to the toilet ? and how could GOD die in a cross , like not a normal death crucified , just to erase the sins of those who follow him ? cmon bro
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Galatians 1:6-9 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! According to Islamic tradition, Muhammad was visited by the angel Jibril (Gabriel), who revealed to him the beginnings of what would later become the Qur'an. God creates, Satan counterfeits. Matthew 7:15-20 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
That was Satan not Gabriel, biblically, the angel gabriel DID NOT press mary against the ground until she couldnt bear it anymore and forced her to believe in Christ/God, he also started with Be no afraid, where as in islam, the "angel gabriel" supposedly appeared infrynt of Muhammed and pressed him against the ground till he couldnt bear it any more and told him to read and write, even though he said he couldnt, he also did not start it off with be not afraid, so the bible contradicts quran
@@TsukiYoruCrystalandKuro that’s what I think as well. It was most likely Satan posing as Gabriel to trick Muhammed into creating a counterfeit religion, Islam.
doesn't make sense because Matthew 12:26 "If satan drives out of satan, he is divided against himself, how then can his kingdom stand?" and in the quran it is obviously mentioned lots of times to not sin, which is against the idea of satan
@@average_9 It wouldn’t matter if you sin or not if you don’t follow Jesus in the first place. Satan will do whatever he can to deceive you and have you stray away from the Lord. He’ll do whatever he can to convince you that you don’t need Jesus Christ as your savior, whether you think that you’re a good person or not. As I said before, Islam is a satanic counterfeit. The Quran unequivocally points to the bible as being corrupt, despite the fact that the Bible is the most studied, commentated upon and dissected more than any book in history. Unlike the Quran, the Bible is also the best attested document of all ancient writings.
For me its this simple. I will not trust the writtings of someone who never even met Jesus or knew his followers to tell me about Jesus. Most importantly I wont trust someone who claims the EXACT opposite of what Jesus said. Everyone around him knew he was calling himself God. Especially in John when Jesus says " truly I tell you before Abraham was born, I am"
We literally have no original Quran. Mohammad was illiterate and did not write, there was massive disagreement as to what the Quran should look like to the point where we don’t actually have an original Quran.
While I totally agree and makes the Quran less reliable, you have to remember we don’t have the original copies of the Gospels or Bible either. So this isn’t as big an argumentative point as you think. It’s about showing how Islam can’t be correct with its own material, like how it claims the Gospels as revelations from Allah. The Quran then says his words can’t be corrupted, and refers to them in the present tense, which suggests they were around at this time. And the claim that there was a completely different and original one falls flat since there is no proof of its existence. Boom. Checkmate Islam.
Just, as an atheist, I’d like to correct a mistake of yours. 3:39 surah 6 verse 155 in the Quran does not talk about changing/ altering his words as in corrupting it. Looking at several Tafsir that are authentic and trusted sources (form ibn Kathir to Al Jalalayn) this verse it talking in the means of changing his last judgement. The Bible is not more trustworthy than the Quran. And it seems that you are making wrong statements in here.
Keep on going Testify! You’re doing great! Also the Islamic argument that the Quran was perfectly preserved is false. There’s over 30 different variations and editions with over 95,000 differences between them. Even the original 7 editions have entire sentences changed between them and therefore context
I agree with daniel that the qiraat would be good to cover (the warsh and the hafs would be easy things to compare in a short video). I am currently writing a book on all the errors in the Quran and haddiths (its long). Another thing to consider covering as you seem to be covering logical contradictions within Islam would be the idea of tawhid (the oneness of God) and his names contradicting. God's most popular names all require other things to exist yet his names and their attributes (supposedly the only way we can know allah) are eternal. So the 99 attributes are supposed to be eternal and always exist yet his most popular names are: Ar-rahmaan - compassionate one Ar-raheem - bestower of mercy Al-wadood - the loving one how can you be loving, compassionate, or merciful if there is no object of your love, mercy, or compassion? The names have a bunch of issues like this and could be short. another short contradiction would be the Quran committing shirk by claiming to be eternal. Ascribing any divine attributes to anything is the worst sin. But the Quran says it is eternal written on golden tablets in heaven. This makes the Quran (the word of allah) co-eternal with allah and thus commits shirk. That or it makes a second part of the godhead in Islam which would destroy tawhid. Fun stuff. Idk what the last video you wanted to do was but here are 3 quick and easy ideas which every Christian and every Muslim should know.
@@KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nksure! These verses come from the Hafs version and then the Warsh version respectively. 2:132 “And Ibrahim enjoined on his sons…” “And Ibrahim instructed/made his sons…” 2:58 “…we give mercy…” “…he gives mercy…” 2:9 “…they deceive…” “…they seek to deceive…” As you can see, the verses are changed so that their meaning is completely different from one another. Granted the first one is more of a synonym change, but was meant to demonstrate different word use between them.
@@aymanabdu2428 That's just a misunderstanding from non-Catholics/non-Orthodox. We don't worship Mary as a divine person, only as the Mother of God, which she is because she carried Jesus (100% human, 100% God) in her womb and we ask her to pray for us, as well as all the other saints that are alive in Heaven with God .
Just realised, has the prophet Muhammad done any supernatural miracles? i.e splitting a lake, resurrect the dead, rain fire etc? I understand that he was a great warlord and unified his nation under Islam but no miracles
Is it just me but somehow i felt like Qur'an somehow want to make Christian and other that mentioned to be... converted? I mean its like back in the day once in Islam rise to power they do those to gain support or something like: "Hey check us out! our religion share the same teaching! that means we are means to be together and oh Also its mention that your Bible is corrupted so join us" Kind of thing?? Dunno its just me maybe overthinking things.
I never thought about doubting the righteous living God for a false one, I just doubted why I couldn’t be in full argument over the truth, (I’m a novice follower of Jesus) but what I know from the Bible is, “he who has ears let him hear”, “do not dash your foot on the stone when you fall”, and “if they do not welcome you simply turn around and wipe the dust off your feet”. I don’t know too much from the Bible but these are scriptures I’ve recently read, and (I think) tells me that I should worry about those who are interested in the truth than those who defend a lie. I also encountered Jesus a few months ago, and now nothing in this world can deter me from what I experienced or saw. Thank you Jesus Christ for your light, and thank you God for allowing your Holy Spirit to reveal your son to me, the son who was made Man and crucified for the salvation of all those who believe and worship Him
@@user-wm6bi9mz9wQuran is false, and debunks itself. Also, kind of hard to deny Christ when you’ve encountered Him. Maybe you ought to think about changing your faith.
for all the stupid people in the comment and the creator of this video islam say that most of the books he send but people changed them that why he hinted at the others also you say that why should you rely on bible to find islam alot of things in the bible dont added up one of the famous ones is mathhew 26 36:“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father. that it self debunk that jesus is god and it prove that the "son" jesus has diffrent mind than the father (GOD)
brother don't mind them, their faith is blind and isn't based on logic, how would God even die for 3 days, either that means that jesus wasn't God even in the bible since he can't just die and leave all of his creation guided by no one or either that God isn't omnipotent since the creation can continue without the creator
NIV Galatians 1:8 “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!”
I feel sorry for you brother. Your whole video is full of claims that you clearly misundertood and you are talking about them with such confidence as if you have studied Islam far more than enough. Be honest with yourself. Deep down you surely know that you haven't researched enough about Islam and yet you pretend here on youtube, misleading other people who are not capable of critical thinking and real research. I feel sorry for you.
@@TestifyApologetics “There was a Gospel-a divine message given to Jesus. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are writings of Jesus’ followers that contain some divine truths but are not the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. While God’s words cannot be changed, human texts can be altered after the original revelation. When the Qur’an refers to ‘the people of the Gospel,’ it is acknowledging the divine truths that might still be present in those texts. However, this does not mean that the 7th-century Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. Instead, the Qur’an is recognizing these texts and encouraging their followers to adhere to the truths they contain. The Qur’an reaffirms itself as the final and complete revelation. It is meant to be used as the ultimate guide, especially when there are contradictions or uncertainties in earlier texts.”
@@sbaa33ii96 ameen. I wish people done more research before speaking and making videos. He wouldn’t like that to happen to his Bible but he does it with Quran. Sad. May Allah guide him.
I have read many religious text and islam for me is like the most obvious false religion When i read bible and quran i believe maybe bible is right, or both are wrong Quran would never be true Still it is only for me
@@PantalonRouge deflect what? Christians are the ones who don't know why they do their rituals and prayers (rituals like lighing a candel before praying etc. not rituals like uhh you who i mean) the Quran gives evidence for proof of God tell me what the Bible gives you now for proof of God (don't say miracles of the previous prophets you can't prove that to an athiest)
@@ahmed_hamoda9783 What do you mean? Of course, we understand the reasons behind our rituals. You have no idea what you’re talking about with Christianity. Using your same logic, tell me why do muslims kiss the Black Stone as part of their rituals? Oh bc your fake prophet stole most of the rites and practices adopted from the pagan Arabian rituals of the muhammad's time. Even funnier, to hide their pagan origins, muhammad claimed that God initially sanctioned these rites. In fact, before, during, and after his mission, muhammad continued to perform rites that were nothing more than idolatry. Explain that? Oh you cant since rituals its so obvious momo dupped you all in believing his fake cult. The statement that the ‘quran gives evidence for proof of God’ is almost laughable. How so? Also why can’t I say miracles? Is it bc your pathetic fake prophet couldn't do miracles? LOL.
@@ahmed_hamoda9783 What do you mean? Of course, we understand the reasons behind our rituals. You have no idea what you’re talking about with Christianity. Using your same logic, tell me why do muslims kiss the Black Stone as part of their rituals? Oh bc your fake prophet stole most of the rites and practices adopted from the pagan Arabian rituals of the muhammad's time. Even funnier, to hide their pagan origins, muhammad claimed that God initially sanctioned these rites. In fact, before, during, and after his mission, muhammad continued to perform rites that were nothing more than idolatry. Explain that? Oh you cant since rituals its so obvious momo dupped you all in believing his fake cult. The statement that the ‘quran gives evidence for proof of God’ is almost laughable, I won't even give it time of day. How so? Also why can’t I say miracles? Is it bc your pathetic fake prophet couldn't do miracles? LOL.
There's so many contradictions in the Quran 😂😂. Istg, every time i try to preach in Malaysia every muslim just tries to cut me off. I try explain but they dont give me a chance to and they keep on using the same arguements without reason 😂😂😂.
@Confederationcowcoming from the guy with the German WW2 symbol? And ignoring the fact that Islam still follows pagan traditions today? And the fact that Allah has direct ties to an Arab pagan moon god?
@ConfederationcowJesus is the English translation of the Latin name Iesus, with an I. This, in turn, is the Latin translation of the Hebrew name Yeshua. Not rocket science buddy.
“There was a Gospel-a divine message given to Jesus. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are writings of Jesus’ followers that contain some divine truths but are not the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. While God’s words cannot be changed, human texts can be altered after the original revelation. When the Qur’an refers to ‘the people of the Gospel,’ it is acknowledging the divine truths that might still be present in those texts. However, this does not mean that the 7th-century Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. Instead, the Qur’an is recognizing these texts and encouraging their followers to adhere to the truths they contain. The Qur’an reaffirms itself as the final and complete revelation. It is meant to be used as the ultimate guide, especially when there are contradictions or uncertainties in earlier texts.”
You’re conflating the gospels of matthew mark luke and john (whilst containing some truths in them) to the gospel given to Jesus, and this isnt fair brother. I think you need to do more research and try to have more understanding rather than being biased. I literally tried my hardest to understand what you said and argued YOUR points against the Quran and it just showed me that you’re misunderstood. Let me know what you think tho? Open to civil discourse always ❤
ChatGPT response to the message above and my understanding of this video and its claims “Yes, that explanation captures the essence of how the Qur'an addresses the concept of the *Injil* and the Gospels. Here's a refined version of that explanation: 1. **Original Revelation**: The *Injil* refers to the divine message given to Jesus. This was a direct revelation from Allah. 2. **Gospels of Followers**: The Gospels written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, which are part of the Christian scriptures, are understood to contain some elements of divine truth but are not considered identical to the original *Injil*. They are seen as influenced by the teachings of Jesus but have undergone changes over time. 3. **Divine Words and Alteration**: While Allah's divine words are immutable, human texts can be altered or misrepresented after the original revelation. This means that while the original message from Allah remains unchanged, the texts known to later followers can be subject to change or corruption. 4. **Inclusivity and Guidance**: When the Qur'an refers to "the people of the Gospel," it uses the term to be inclusive and acknowledges the divine truth that might still be present in those texts. However, it does not imply that these texts are the exact, unaltered *Injil*. Instead, it recognizes their significance to their followers and encourages them to judge according to the truths within these texts. 5. **Role of the Qur'an**: The Qur'an is presented as the final and complete revelation, which provides clarity and guidance that addresses any contradictions or misunderstandings in earlier texts. It serves as the ultimate source of divine guidance for all believers. In summary, the Qur'an uses the term *Injil* to connect with the followers of the Gospels, acknowledging some divine truth in their scriptures while emphasizing that the Qur'an is the final, unaltered revelation. The Qur'an encourages followers to refer to it for ultimate guidance, especially when there are discrepancies or confusion.”
Really looking forward to your reply bro. Because i genuinely think you’re misunderstood. But i could be misunderstood on you’re understanding so let me know whay you think
@@Thepupps5its easy to make a video like this and it might make you think “is he right?” When you do your research afterwards you will find out he is purposely (in my opinion) misconstruing the Quran to fit his narrative. He is interpreting it in his own way, and the way he’s interpreting it is wrong, its now how us Muslims interpret it. He is taking one thing and using it to say another. Just do your research after watching videos like this and it will only boost your faith when you realise they are wrong and are trying to conceal the truth. If you want to see my other comments with more insight. Check the replies of this channels reply at the top of the comments page. Just look for that one too. It shows more insight. Or i can send it here too
Dear muslims reading this comment: if you dont know how to respond to the islamic dillema, and need an answer, ill tell you. There is no answer. There is no response. Just accept God, who loves you unconditionally.
Many commenters keep commenting that Jesus’ gospel is wrong. I’m genuinely curious as to how the gospel was distorted. Please let me here you out my brothers. I am very very skeptical of Islam.
That’s just it: there was no Gospel of Jesus. At least there is no proof of it existing. The Muslims keep claiming that there was an “original” given to Jesus and our Gospels are wrong and corrupt teachings, but without proof of this “original”, their claim becomes an excuse. Therefore, the only conclusion is that the Quran affirms the Gospel(s) in the Bible, and therefore condemns itself.
@@G.M23 why is it that the new testament was written about 40 years after Jesus‘ death, the bible are books made by many different anonymous authors during different times.. the preservation of the bible is not the same as the quran, the quran was preserved by our prophet pbuh in arabic and to this day there are so many people that learn each word by heart, not one word in the quran was changed unlike the bible.. the words of God cant be changed yes but when many different people are involved during different times.. errors can happen actually, especially when we dont even know who the authors actually are.. also there are even many different contradictions of the bible you see today.. like one example how can you „mistakenly“ write and mix up numbers and ages in the bible that is a contradiction, how can you translate numbers wrong, words maybe but numbers?
Here are some of the earliest gospel manuscripts in Greek and Latin, as well as extrabiblical books that quote the gospels from the first century: *Greek Manuscripts:* 1. P52 ( Rylands Library Papyrus): dated to around 125-150 AD, contains John 18:31-33, 37-38 2. P66 (Bodmer Papyrus): dated to around 200 AD, contains John 1:1-6:11, 6:35-14:26, 14:29-30 3. P46 (Chester Beatty Papyrus): dated to around 200 AD, contains Pauline epistles, including Romans, Corinthians, and Galatians 4. P104 (Oxyrhynchus Papyrus): dated to around 150-200 AD, contains Matthew 21:34-37, 43-45 *Latin Manuscripts:* 1. Codex Vercellensis (Vercelli Codex): dated to around 360-370 AD, contains the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John 2. Codex Veronensis (Verona Codex): dated to around 400-500 AD, contains the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John *Extrabiblical Books:* 1. *Clement of Rome* (96 AD): quotes from Matthew, Mark, and Luke in his epistle to the Corinthians 2. *Ignatius of Antioch* (110 AD): quotes from Matthew, Mark, and John in his epistles to the Ephesians and Romans 3. *Polycarp of Smyrna* (120 AD): quotes from Matthew and Luke in his epistle to the Philippians 4. *Didache* (120-150 AD): quotes from Matthew and Luke, and contains teachings similar to the Sermon on the Mount 5. *Justin Martyr* (150-160 AD): quotes from Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John in his Dialogue with Trypho Note: The dates provided are approximate and based on scholarly consensus.
0:48 nah you lying, its says gospel(The injeel) not GOSPELS, the quran confirms that the single book injeel is the word of god but not your 4 gospels. This is the weakest argument you can use yet everyone uses it
As a muslim, i find this video amusing ❤ Yes we believe in the original Torah Yes we believe in the original Gospel And yes we believe in Quran Torah and Gospel are the LAW of Allah, but Tanakh and Bible aren't. That's the difference. Quran 2:79 "So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”-seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned." Also, i respect our differences wether it's race, religion, etc. I don't blame you because Allah has planned all of this. Quran 5:48 "We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. *If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you.* So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences."
Just one flaw in your claim: where is the proof for the “original” Injil’s existence? The “original” Torah? Without this proof, there is no reason to believe the Quran refers to any Gospel being the words of Allah other than the one(s) in the Bible. Your claim turns into an excuse
@@danielromani2964 I could also ask the same thing to you. Is today's bible still the same one as the earlier known scriptures? Though, our view regarding Gospel are different. Christian see Gospel as narrative of the words and deeds of Jesus and was later written by His apostle and followers after them. While Muslim see it as one of 4 holy books of islam that was revealed by Allah to Jesus (Isa PBUH). In christianity, there are 4 Gospels in the bible. Islam only see it as one and the existence of it is unknown. The existence of Torah is also unknown. Like in Quran, both Torah and Gospel has main teaching is that to pray to Allah. One surah that explains why Christian Bible and Jewish Tanakh isn't the same as both Islamic Torah and Gospel. Quran 9:30 "The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers. May Allah condemn them! How can they be deluded ˹from the truth˺?" Because both has become polytheist by saying God has son or holy spirit as one, but who am i to say that. I'm just an ordinary person, not a Christian, not a Jewish, nor even a scholar
@@misskaren1115 Islam and Christianity has different view regarding Gospel. Christian see Gospel as narrative of the words and deeds of Jesus and was later written by His apostle and followers after them. While Muslim see it as one of 4 holy books of islam that was revealed by Allah to Jesus (Isa PBUH). But, who am i to say anything about Christianity. I'm not a Christian nor a scholar so i don't know much about it
The more I’ve learned about Mohammed, the more absolutely bogus the Quran becomes. Like how are so many masses of people following something so completely laughably unreliable, especially when it makes their lives so miserable for the most part?!
@@moosa86 fair enough but it doesn’t explain all the western nation converts who do it for fashion and aren’t hardcore “true believers” willing to suffer.
why are you Learning about Islam from hate preachers? you don't go to a laundry guy and tell him to fix your Car! so go Ask a Muslim about Islam because this is getting ridiculous
@@ahmed_hamoda9783 I already knew plenty about it from direct sources. I have many associates across various religious perspectives. My comment remains. But I’ll clarify it’s not just because of one video on TH-cam it’s the combination of the years of other experiences and knowledge about Islam combined with semi-recent more intensive study in the historical archaeology behind the texts.
What bothers me about islam, is they claim jesus is the messiah and follow his teachings, but there is not a single verse in the Quran where jesus says he is the messiah? Yet they follow his teachings. Secound the Quran says its a sin to say you are equal with allah, yet jesus has said himself in the bible that him and the father are one? yet muslims still follow his teachings, it doesnt make sense. 3rd The angel Gabriel appears to mary and says you will bear a son who will be the son of god. Then 600 years later the same angel Gabriel appears to mohammed and say no he is not the son of god. So who are we meant to belive? well il tell you now i will belive the angel who appeared to mary the virgin, because jesus lived a sinless life, where is mohammed was a sinner. Now you do the math.
you are combining gospel with quran , in quran it clearly says the messiah is just a prophet , we belive he is just a prophet like moses , ibrahim , and muhammed ... we dont follow the trinity we dont belive in any of that ... think about it for a second tho , if jesus was god . that means god can be human which is impossible and if he was a human he can go to the toilet ? and mary clean him when he was a baby ? like think about it man ? does god need another person to take care of him and go to the toilet ? let alone to die crucified ? THINK ABOUT IT
personally i would translate the word "tevrat" as tanakh instead of torah. quran doest say "tevrat" was given to moses. so the word means the whole old testament.
Yep it's part of the plan. I have a long stream with Jonathan McLatchie were we go into it in depth just check the live tab but I'd like to do some short videos on it too.
So there was a gospel (genre of book / good words from god) given to Jesus. Then there is the gospels of his followers (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) containing divine truth in it. Gods words cant be changed, this is a no brainer in any religion, but what we can do is AFTER his words come down, we can change them and SAY”this is from god” when it is NOT from god. When its asking the people of the gospel (matthew, mark luke and john) its using this word to be inclusive and recognise some of the truths in these gospels, but reaffirms the fact that the Quran is the final revelation and to use it as the final revelation. Its NOT saying the 7th century GOSPELS of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John was the Gospel given to Jesus! Rather its saying that these followers of Jesus use these gospels and should judge from the TRUTHS inside it, and any confusion or anything that contradicts the Quran is when you pick up the Quran.
I wrote that message by myself and didn’t spend much time on it but i got AI to polish it a little so its easier to understand, ill reply with the polished version so my message cant be misunderstood
“There was a Gospel-a divine message given to Jesus. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are writings of Jesus’ followers that contain some divine truths but are not the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. While God’s words cannot be changed, human texts can be altered after the original revelation. When the Qur’an refers to ‘the people of the Gospel,’ it is acknowledging the divine truths that might still be present in those texts. However, this does not mean that the 7th-century Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. Instead, the Qur’an is recognizing these texts and encouraging their followers to adhere to the truths they contain. The Qur’an reaffirms itself as the final and complete revelation. It is meant to be used as the ultimate guide, especially when there are contradictions or uncertainties in earlier texts.” - My answer to this video, polished by AI
Yes, that explanation captures the essence of how the Qur'an addresses the concept of the *Injil* and the Gospels. Here's a refined version of that explanation: 1. **Original Revelation**: The *Injil* refers to the divine message given to Jesus. This was a direct revelation from Allah. 2. **Gospels of Followers**: The Gospels written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, which are part of the Christian scriptures, are understood to contain some elements of divine truth but are not considered identical to the original *Injil*. They are seen as influenced by the teachings of Jesus but have undergone changes over time. 3. **Divine Words and Alteration**: While Allah's divine words are immutable, human texts can be altered or misrepresented after the original revelation. This means that while the original message from Allah remains unchanged, the texts known to later followers can be subject to change or corruption. 4. **Inclusivity and Guidance**: When the Qur'an refers to "the people of the Gospel," it uses the term to be inclusive and acknowledges the divine truth that might still be present in those texts. However, it does not imply that these texts are the exact, unaltered *Injil*. Instead, it recognizes their significance to their followers and encourages them to judge according to the truths within these texts. 5. **Role of the Qur'an**: The Qur'an is presented as the final and complete revelation, which provides clarity and guidance that addresses any contradictions or misunderstandings in earlier texts. It serves as the ultimate source of divine guidance for all believers. In summary, the Qur'an uses the term *Injil* to connect with the followers of the Gospels, acknowledging some divine truth in their scriptures while emphasizing that the Qur'an is the final, unaltered revelation. The Qur'an encourages followers to refer to it for ultimate guidance, especially when there are discrepancies or confusion.
I like how the comment section looks because it proves my point that 90% of the christians in the west or islamphobe and this makes me think didn't your religion mention something about respecting other religions? or did one of your priests remove the verse talking about it as they do usually
@@GENERATIONALKINGS-rm6zt Bring me 1 verse that backs you up plus most muslims are super religious so if this was true you wouldn't even be standing on your legs and typing this comment you would be dead
@@GENERATIONALKINGS-rm6zt Tbh i can speak like you i can say "Christians can kill us all check their bible and happened to the people of amalek!" Even tho its missing context
„Torah and the Gospels (so kind of the the Bible) are a perfect source and guidance!” „Great! So, let’s convert to Christianity, or maybe Judaism and follow God!” „No, wait, bro. I have an idea - let’s start our own religion!” „Broooo… this is genius!” The more I listen to your videos, the less I understand how Islam might even make sense
A small preface: I am a Christian that reads the Bible and tries to understand His word everyday without fail. My argument: As I watched the video I came to a small but quite an argumentative point. You seem to be pointing out the fact that Allah has said that his word cannot be corrupted but the Quran contradicts itself by saying the Bible is corrupt. I myself believe that the Bible has been altered here and there for example, compare the new testament of the New International Version (NIV) and New King James Version (NKJV) or it's older variant, the King James Version (KJV), the further you go back into the older versions of the Bible, more and more is revealed with perfect clarity. As for God and Allah saying that his word can't be corrupted, it is very much true. Let's take an analogy here. Assume I as a person make a statement. That statement is absolute and does not change over the course of time unless someone writes it down and with time, the decipherability of the original statement that was uttered by me changes as standards of the original language changes. Furthermore, many languages may not have a word for what another language has. The origin of the Quran is in Arabic and has not CHANGED MUCH compared to the Torah, Gospel and collectively, the Bible which has been interpreted, translated and written down from more than three languages. P.S., I'm not here to say I support the Quran(I really don't), even if it was copied or borrowed from the Gospel/Torah, it has the credibility to say that it hasn't changed a lot since it's origin.
The biggest thing you failed to mention. Is the Quranic definition of Gospel. Quran doesn't perceived Gospel like Christian does. It pretty specific to (same applies to Torah). It not like something in the hand of the Christian. And it in the Quran explained what true Gospel is. And it can't be Bible due lacks of proof and authenticity. Jews claimed first 5 book of OT made by Moses yet no authentic works could reflect on that. Something could be said as same for 4 Gospels of NT. You know why? Because Quran specifically said Torah of Moses and Gospel of Jesus is the true, not some anonymous author of the Bible. Plus, in this video many misrepresented of Quranic and scholars positions. Because what you show an evidence that you don't do research at all.
Except your claim falls flat. Because where is the proof of the existence of this “original” Injil and Torah outside the Quran? Without it, you have no valid claim the Quran refers to anything other than what’s in the Bible.
@@danielromani2964 it publicly known that Moses and Jesus have their own books. Remember when Jesus preached the Gospel. It can't be 4 Gospel because that came later after his ascension. According to Jewish tradition Moses did wrote Torah. If you actually looked at Bible you would know that. Quran claims the original was in hand of Moses and Jesus. That its. You are the one actually that doesn't have the claim. Because the Quran referred to the original not on your hand.
@@nurhaqim7159Christians and history don’t record Jesus preaching a GOSPEL. They indicate Him performing miracles and preaching spontaneously. Also, this does not dismiss the fact. As I have told you before, because you have no evidence for the existence of an “original” Gospel and Torah, you cannot make a valid claim that they existed. The burden of proof is on Muslims to prove the Gospels we Christians have which predate Islam by centuries aren’t the original. This starts with proving there WAS an original.
Funny, because the main source of information for Jesus and Moses is the Bible Itself. Mohammed and the people who wrote the Quran had no other credible enough basis to write about them aside from the OT & NT. You can't come six centuries later like the Kool-Aid Man, take Jesus and Moses which are described and talked about in the Bible so thouroughly and say that your revelation-- which is based on previous revelations and what people before you said-- is the true one. C'mon. This argument is so blatantly half-baked.
very tolerant of you sir. heresy is a strong word. are you defaming an entire religion? shame on you. such small mindedness is exactly what the world needs
Jeremiah is not indifferent to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10 a note is struck to which he will return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably by having allowed false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13-14). The only reply is the Lord's own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary) Even though it was really the false prophets who did the act of deception, the Bible is actually shifting the blame to God for actually allowing the false prophets to do the deception. This is what the "inspired" author Jeremiah said, and this is what we have to accept. God deceived innocent people. It seemed that people were so bothered by Jeremiah's ascription of deception to God that they had to reword the sentence so that deception would be ascribed to the false prophets instead. Ah, Lord God! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people The Targum paraphrases this verse thus: "And I said, Receive my supplication, O Lord God; for, behold, the false prophets deceive this people and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace." The prophet could not reconcile this devastation of the country with the promises already made; and he appears to ask the question, Hast thou not then deceived this people in saying there shall be peace, i.e., prosperity? (Adam Clarke, The Adam Clarke Commentary, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source) We have it in: 1 Kings 22:20-22 20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?' "One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' 22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.' Here, we see that the man said he would resort to lying to entice Ahab, and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it! I have no moral objections to this since I believe God could sometimes use means of deception to ensure the greater good and to use deception against evil. However, Christians don't allow this when we talk about Allah deceiving evildoers in the Qur'an. These are double standards. We even have it in: Ezekiel 14:9-11 9 " 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' " God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place. Isn't that entrapment?
I want a comparison video about Mormonism and Islam in general...lots of similarities yet one is heavily mocked while the other is not talked upon due to taboos (either fear for life or fear of cultural insensitivity).
More like Infinity (Infinite Father) + Infinity (Infinite Son) + Infinity (Infinite Holy Spirit) = Infinity (Infinite God) Also why coudn't God make 1+1+1=1 if He wanted to?
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Here's my reply to Farhan Ahmed Zia's joke of a response video isjesusalive.com/farhan-ahmed-zia-clueless-about-islams-biggest-contradiction/
Here’s my reply to your joke of a Christian channel.
And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.
Al-Ma'idah (5:46)
So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.
Al-Ma'idah (5:13)
You altering your own New Testament and not believing in the Old Testament disproves your own religion. Jesus wasn’t even Greek. He was a Jew who spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. Maybe you should read your own Old Testament for a change instead of being so insecure about us like you Christians are nowadays.
why r u exposing ur self like that
@@MohammedMuhayminbro so sad
He is disrespecting islam
@@user-ms9yl8jz3b they want views
Also. I just seen this now, and i quoted this blog post to chatGPT, and chatGPT still thinks you’re misunderstood. Here is the response it gave me when i asked this question. Ill quote my question/prompt first, then the answer it gives.
My Question/Prompt: “Thats not my question. Let me rephrase, is the author of the video and author of the blog post I quoted above, who is saying the Quran affirms the bible. Is he still misunderstood in the blog post i mentioned above? I want to try guide him to help him understand islam better yet he’s still trying to argue” - Me to ChatGPT
ChatGPT reply “Yes, the author of the video and the blog post appears to be misunderstanding the Islamic perspective on the Qur'an’s relationship to earlier scriptures. Here’s a more focused breakdown:
### Misunderstandings Identified:
1. **Concept of Injil:**
- The author conflates the Injil (the original revelation given to Jesus) with the canonical Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John). In Islamic belief, the Injil refers to the original message given to Jesus, not the Gospels as we have them today. The Qur'an acknowledges the existence of the Gospels but does not necessarily consider them as the original Injil.
2. **Preservation of Scriptures:**
- The Islamic view is that while the Qur'an confirms the divine origin of earlier scriptures, it also asserts that these scriptures have been altered or corrupted over time. Therefore, the Qur'an does not necessarily imply that the current versions of these scriptures (like the Gospels) are preserved in their original form.
3. **Affirmation and Inclusivity:**
- The Qur'an’s affirmation of earlier scriptures is meant to acknowledge their historical and theological significance while positioning itself as the final and complete revelation. It respects the truths in these scriptures but does not equate them with the Qur'an in terms of preservation or completeness.
4. **Historical Context:**
- The author’s argument about historical manuscripts and prophecies may not fully account for Islamic interpretations that see the Qur'an as confirming the essence of previous revelations while addressing their perceived distortions or alterations.
### How to Guide Him:
1. **Clarify the Islamic Understanding of Injil:**
- Explain that in Islam, the Injil is considered the original message given to Jesus, not the Gospels that were written later. The Qur'an acknowledges the Gospels but distinguishes them from the Injil.
2. **Explain the Concept of Alteration:**
- Emphasize that the Islamic belief is that the original revelations (Torah, Injil) were altered over time. The Qur'an confirms the divine origin of these texts but does not necessarily affirm the current versions as unaltered.
3. **Affirmation vs. Endorsement:**
- Highlight that the Qur'an’s affirmation of earlier scriptures is about recognizing their role in the divine message, not about endorsing them as unchanged or complete.
4. **Historical and Theological Context:**
- Point out that the Qur'an’s references to earlier scriptures are understood within the context of its own message, which Muslims believe completes and corrects previous revelations.
By addressing these points, you can help clarify how the Qur'an interacts with earlier scriptures and guide the author toward a more nuanced understanding of Islamic teachings.”
Muhammad is in the Bible, "be aware of false prophets"
thats the anti-christ
@@A.B.K.Gnah, that be Muhammad. Also in Galatians 1:8. And Deuteronomy 18:22
@@A.B.K.G muhammed is AN anti-C
@@phibik okis
@@phibik This comment suggests that the Bible's warnings about false prophets are directly referring to Prophet Muhammad, which is a misunderstanding of both the Bible and Islamic teachings. Here’s why this argument is flawed:
Context Matters:
The Bible contains warnings about false prophets, but these warnings are not specific to any individual and were given in various contexts long before Prophet Muhammad's time. Claiming these verses specifically refer to Muhammad is an interpretative leap without basis in historical context.
Prophet Muhammad in Islam:
Muslims believe Prophet Muhammad is the last prophet sent by God, as foretold in the Quran. The Quran describes Muhammad as a truthful and trustworthy messenger. Accusations of him being a false prophet are contrary to the beliefs and testimonies of his character and mission recorded in Islamic tradition.Interfaith Respect:
Dialogue between religious beliefs should be based on mutual respect and understanding. Misusing religious texts to delegitimize another faith does not foster constructive discussion or mutual respect.
Trust me bro -muhammad
Muhammad: here, put this blindfold on
Christians: yeah…no thanks
Muslims: ok! Whatever you say!
Muhammad: walk there! Peace be upon me!
Steers towards cliff
Based fnaf pfp
@@therottingstench based serpico pfp
@KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nk
53 minutes ago (edited)
I already talked about all these but I will say them again.
"No one can change Allah's words" mean if Allah sais something will happen nothing can stop it from happening. It doesnt mean what you Christians think.
I also already talked about what Surah 5 44-47 mean. The whole part is about how Jews in Medina always asked Muhammed questions to "judge by Muhammed" so that they could find an opening and show Muhammed bad but they already had had their own laws (Ten Commandments) so that they can judge by themselves. They were even sent Isa to confirm the Ten Commamdments. If you read the other verses after and before these verses you would understand it.
I also wonder why do we need to know the original one to say Bible is corrupted. We as Muslims believe Quran is from Allah because it makes sense. Quran sais Bible is corrupted therefore we believe Bible is corrupted. If Bible made sense to us we would be Christian anyway.
If a book told you to worship an elephant and we have historical evidence to know it wasnt corrupted would you believe it. No. Because it wouldnt make sense.
Also Surah 5 48 sais that Quran is "confirmation and supreme authority" over scriptures that came before. That Quran is confirmation over Bible and Torah doesnt mean it sais the whole Bible and Torah is true.
Think of it like this. You write a history book and show it to a professor historian for him to show you the true and wrong parts of your book. Now this historian is supreme authority over your book because it decides about it. But he is also confirmation on it since it also confirms the true parts of your book.
We believe there is also truth in Bible and Torah and Quran confirms the correct parts of them. You understand the word "confirmation" the way you want to and then
@@Faithexplorer4376again, you try and twist your verses in favor of you. Not what they flat out say. And I ask again: where is the proof of the “original’s” existence? You can make all these claims if you like, but they won’t stand or be counted as valid without the proof to back it up. Give us the evidence that there was a different Gospel than what we have.
"Honey. Wake up. Testify has another video out burying Islam"
And failing at it
@@arafatmarius331How?
@@dylanbonilla3683 muslims doesn't really use rationality 👍
@@arafatmarius331I’ll never understand how Muslims can follow a god that boasts to be the “best of schemers”🤢
وَمَكَرُوا۟ وَمَكَرَ ٱللَّهُۖ وَٱللَّهُ خَیۡرُ ٱلۡمَـٰكِرِینَ﴿ ٥٤ ﴾
• Mohammed Marmaduke William Pickthall:
And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.
_Āli-ʿImrān, Ayah 54_
@@viniciusgomes7215That's actually true considering that leaving the faith can get you killed and Islam parallels a cult perfectly.
The Quran literally copies from other books, claims there corrupt, then they try and choose what stuff is true in a totally “corrupted book”. Literally special pleading
Yeah Islam blatantly steals from the bible.
Again you can't say an illiterate copy a book without knowing how to read.
And how can it copy something and historically correct it?
And again you can't say that it took Jesus believes from the bible because there are not and it cannot be invented and people belive it
And before screaming that there are historical evidence that the bible is true and then giving the bible as a evidence stop
Most Atheistic sources consider Jesus didn't even existed or clearly he didn't get crucified.Because Romans would've seen a guy getting raised from death and converted imidiatly ...But fine let's not take logic
@@arafatmarius331your taqiyya isn’t going to work here
Qureshi pagan idolatry , Arianism and gnostic gospels. It's a copy and paste religion. It even steals holy sites. It has nothing original. Buffet ahh religion.
Seriously, it’s embarrassing. Even one of the Qurans authors has a criminal record of stealing books and plagiarism. “Studies in Early Hadith Literature” by M. M. Azami, pg 128 line 82. Aside from that, the “teachings” can be traced between Arab mythology, the Gospel of Thomas, even Greek medical manuscripts.
Without lies, Islam dies.
Nope Quran was revealed to Muhammad he was illiterate and cannot read also it was 6th century not 7th century
Ay now thats a good slogan
Allah is not a God! Islam is not a religion!
an insult for an insult it is
Because of Lying Christianity is Dying
Even with Lying Christianity is Dying
-6000 years old earth community
I left Islam.
May Christ bless you.
@@Blue-ocean522 congratulations 🎉
to join judaism
Then you’re a Christian now right?!!😄👌
LETSSSSS GOOOOOI
Ahh yes a book about a guy from long ago talking about jesus hundreds of years later by a man who didn't know anything about the old testament very trustworthy....
Don’t forget he couldn’t even read
@@danielromani2964 yeah the book just fell from heaven or he just learned it from over 20 years in the desert without forgetting it…
@@McShawtieDoggoit defies the very definition of “miracle”, as Testify has demonstrated in his miracles series. I don’t see how a book defies the laws of nature or physics.
@KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nk
53 minutes ago (edited)
I already talked about all these but I will say them again.
"No one can change Allah's words" mean if Allah sais something will happen nothing can stop it from happening. It doesnt mean what you Christians think.
I also already talked about what Surah 5 44-47 mean. The whole part is about how Jews in Medina always asked Muhammed questions to "judge by Muhammed" so that they could find an opening and show Muhammed bad but they already had had their own laws (Ten Commandments) so that they can judge by themselves. They were even sent Isa to confirm the Ten Commamdments. If you read the other verses after and before these verses you would understand it.
I also wonder why do we need to know the original one to say Bible is corrupted. We as Muslims believe Quran is from Allah because it makes sense. Quran sais Bible is corrupted therefore we believe Bible is corrupted. If Bible made sense to us we would be Christian anyway.
If a book told you to worship an elephant and we have historical evidence to know it wasnt corrupted would you believe it. No. Because it wouldnt make sense.
Also Surah 5 48 sais that Quran is "confirmation and supreme authority" over scriptures that came before. That Quran is confirmation over Bible and Torah doesnt mean it sais the whole Bible and Torah is true.
Think of it like this. You write a history book and show it to a professor historian for him to show you the true and wrong parts of your book. Now this historian is supreme authority over your book because it decides about it. But he is also confirmation on it since it also confirms the true parts of your book.
We believe there is also truth in Bible and Torah and Quran confirms the correct parts of them. You understand the word "confirmation" the way you want to and then
@@TomAdo-ot4ci Comment 1: "Ahh yes a book about a guy from long ago talking about Jesus hundreds of years later by a man who didn't know anything about the Old Testament very trustworthy...."
Counterargument:
Historical Accuracy:
The Quran is believed by Muslims to be the word of God revealed to Prophet Muhammad, who is seen as the final prophet in a long line of prophets, including those from the Old and New Testaments. While Prophet Muhammad himself did not study the Old Testament, his revelations in the Quran contain detailed knowledge of biblical stories and figures, which Muslims believe were divinely revealed.
Divine Revelation:
The Quran is considered a divine revelation, not a historical account written from human knowledge. This belief asserts that the information in the Quran is directly from God, who has complete knowledge of all past events, including those in the Old Testament. This makes the Quran a trustworthy source for Muslims.
Consistency with Previous Scriptures:
The Quran acknowledges previous scriptures (the Torah and the Gospel) and affirms their original messages, though it asserts that these texts have been altered over time. This perspective is not unique to Islam but is a foundational aspect of the faith, emphasizing continuity and completion of God's message through Prophet Muhammad.
Comment 2: "Don't forget he couldn't even read"
Counterargument:
Miracle of Revelation:
The fact that Prophet Muhammad was illiterate (unlettered) is actually a significant point in Islam, reinforcing the miraculous nature of the Quran. Muslims believe that an unlettered man bringing forth such a profound and complex text, filled with deep knowledge and wisdom, is a testament to its divine origin.
Oral Tradition:
During Muhammad’s time, oral tradition was a primary mode of preserving knowledge. His illiteracy did not hinder him from receiving, memorizing, and conveying the revelations. His followers meticulously memorized and later transcribed these revelations, ensuring their preservation.
Comment 3: "yeah the book just fell from heaven or he just learned it from over 20 years in the desert without forgetting it..."
Counterargument:
Process of Revelation:
The Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad over a period of 23 years through the angel Gabriel. This gradual revelation allowed for the message to be internalized and memorized by the Prophet and his followers. The process ensured the text was preserved accurately and disseminated effectively among early Muslims.
Role of Companions:
Muhammad’s companions played a crucial role in memorizing and writing down the Quranic verses as they were revealed. The preservation of the Quran involved a community effort, with many individuals memorizing the entire text, which safeguarded it against alterations.
Comment 4: "it defies the very definition of 'miracle', as Testify has demonstrated in his miracles series. I don't see how a book defies the laws of nature or physics."
Counterargument:
Definition of Miracle:
In Islamic theology, a miracle (mu'jiza) is an extraordinary event that surpasses human capability and understanding, attributed to divine intervention. The Quran, with its unparalleled linguistic beauty, profound wisdom, and consistency, is considered a literary and spiritual miracle.
Linguistic Miracle:
The Quran’s linguistic style, depth, and structure are viewed as miraculous, especially considering the Prophet’s illiteracy. The challenge posed in the Quran for anyone to produce a chapter like it has stood unmet for over 1,400 years, highlighting its unique nature.
Impact on Society:
The transformative effect of the Quran on individuals and society, its guidance on all aspects of life, and its consistency and preservation through centuries, all contribute to its status as a miracle in Islam. Its ability to provide moral and spiritual guidance across generations and cultures further underscores its miraculous nature.
Conclusion
In summary, these counterarguments highlight the Islamic perspective on the divine origin and preservation of the Quran, the significance of Prophet Muhammad’s illiteracy in reinforcing the miraculous nature of the Quran, and the broader understanding of miracles in Islam. This approach aims to clarify misconceptions and provide a respectful and informed response to the comments
You have no idea how many times I’ve destroyed Muslim arguments with this bit of knowledge. They still try and weasel their way out to keep slamming their head into the wall. Oh, and the whole the “Quran has been preserved” thing is false. There is over 30 versions and variations today with over 95,000 differences. Even the original Quran was split into 7 different editions to allow different Arabic dialects to read. Except they forgot to make sure that all the verses were exactly the same. Cause they weren’t, as can be shown today.
@@danielromani2964 don’t forget how in their authentic hadiths it records how many years after Muhammad’s death there was so many different Qurans that were so contradictory from eachother a uthman commanded to get all those Qurans and burn everything then make a brand new standard version and then somehow that standard Arabic version later turned into several Arabic versions, the Quran historically legit can’t be trusted that it was preserved
@@mtac.JesusisKingsure bro looks at the isnad chain of transmission second farid and sheikh Al haleen explained it
26 quran argument has been debunked. We have a quran to the prophet time but no first century bible ay
There's no 7 additions there called qirats they changed simple text like this Micheal and Michael are the same name but just different pronouciantion
Lies about the verse this sure talk refuted thst
Let's refute the video we have today from this dude
@KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nk
53 minutes ago (edited)
I already talked about all these but I will say them again.
"No one can change Allah's words" mean if Allah sais something will happen nothing can stop it from happening. It doesnt mean what you Christians think.
I also already talked about what Surah 5 44-47 mean. The whole part is about how Jews in Medina always asked Muhammed questions to "judge by Muhammed" so that they could find an opening and show Muhammed bad but they already had had their own laws (Ten Commandments) so that they can judge by themselves. They were even sent Isa to confirm the Ten Commamdments. If you read the other verses after and before these verses you would understand it.
I also wonder why do we need to know the original one to say Bible is corrupted. We as Muslims believe Quran is from Allah because it makes sense. Quran sais Bible is corrupted therefore we believe Bible is corrupted. If Bible made sense to us we would be Christian anyway.
If a book told you to worship an elephant and we have historical evidence to know it wasnt corrupted would you believe it. No. Because it wouldnt make sense.
Also Surah 5 48 sais that Quran is "confirmation and supreme authority" over scriptures that came before. That Quran is confirmation over Bible and Torah doesnt mean it sais the whole Bible and Torah is true.
Think of it like this. You write a history book and show it to a professor historian for him to show you the true and wrong parts of your book. Now this historian is supreme authority over your book because it decides about it. But he is also confirmation on it since it also confirms the true parts of your book.
We believe there is also truth in Bible and Torah and Quran confirms the correct parts of them. You understand the word "confirmation" the way you want to and then
My brother in Christ, thank you for your contributions to the faith, keep on fighting the good fight. Remember if they hate you, they hated Him first.
THIS IS SO TRUE, IM A MUSLIM BUT I’VE ALWAYS FELT THIS WAY AND I’M GLAD PPL SEE IT TOO
@@Sam-..- turn to Christ brother
Turn to Christ brother ❤
Please talk to your imam or ask a sheikh about any questions about Islam.. Dont stay quiet.
Wait, how?
@@Sam-..- have you ever done any research about the religions?
2:40 clearly the "beware of false prophets" verse is mohammed lol
anti christ dude
why is the verse in plural?
@@zadasaida Maybe because Jesus knows that there would be others before him claiming to be prophets. That’s why he said “prophets” instead of “prophet”. Because his not warning about only one prophet. I mean I’m pretty sure there are lots of people back in the day claiming to be prophets not just Muhammad.
@@Solaris-cu1bz do you think mohammed was one of the false one?
in the bible and or the torah mohammed was mentioned as the final prophet. but clearly you don't know that, because you're busy getting married without an official marriage.
Great point. If Allah is so adamant about preserving his word, how did he drop the ball so badly and allow the Torah and Gospel to be corrupted so badly that he had to send Muhammad to clarify the message.? And if he couldn't stop his revelation from being corrupted before, why should anyone believe that he could prevent the same thing from happening again, especially when the Surah that you quoted stated that people were already doing it during Muhammad's time? Allah and his sinless, perfect prophets need to do better. The Quran is self-refuting nonsense. A comedy of errors.
@@Just_a_Reflection because people are corrupt and imperfect. God lets the people to corrupt the books but will be p*nished in the here after like everybody else who wronged
Ok, since when did god promise to preserve the torah and bible (or injil as we might say) ?
Because god did not make a promise that he will preserve those books then why can't it be corrupted?
@@rasyagi4570he did so when he said that his words can’t be corrupted, then went on to claim the Gospel and Torah as his words. Because he claimed them as his, either his word is corruptible, or it isn’t. Which means the Quran is also exposed to this should the answer be that his word is corruptible. But if it’s not, then the Gospel and Torah can’t according to the Quran. See the catch 22?
@@danielromani2964 bring one verse from the quran, i've watched the whole vid already.
The verse in the vid is reffering to the Quran
@@Just_a_Reflection
Chapter 2 verse 106 in Quran
You’re actually becoming my favourite Christian TH-camr, sharing this channel with my buddies. Praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ ✝️
If your religion references another book your done
the bible refrencing (Quoting) the Apocryphal book of Enoch:
woah woah woah don’t talk about the bible like that
@@uppin_downers
he forgot the Gospel refrences the Torah/Old Testament 24/7
@@ahmed_hamoda9783 it doesn't just reference, rather it's connected, we don't say the old testament was corrupted, but rather fulfilled in the New Testament. Islam however references these books and call them corrupted.
And our books are made up of different other books, connecting with each one, and prophets reference the birth of Christ from the very beginning. Through the generational names that God provided to the fulfillment of those prophecies and God's law by Jesus. They still reference one another up to Revelations.
@@FollowChristbro
the reason the books are called corrupted is because the people corrupted them
(Rabbi's etc. , even during Jesus' time Scribes changed the Torah imagine what happened after Jesus (pbuh))
even Bible Scholars agree to that statement no? the transmission of the manuscripts alone has a significant impact
Scrolls found in caves without diaritics that some Rabbi's have to change the words for the diacritics to make sense to the sentance?
another thing... why was the 4 Gospels picked off the 50 Gospels?
Gnostic and Infancy?
Jewish-Christian gospels?
is it because the 4 mention the Crucifixion?
did you know that because of these same prophecies the Jews reject Jesus as he didn't do anything (like free the people from Romans for example) except Miracles and you claim he died?
do you have a passage that say "The Messiah shall die for the people"?
key word "Messiah/Anoited One"
If Islam is correct, Jesus is both the second best prophet of all time AND he was such a bad prophet that he led his followers from Judaism to polytheism.
First of all many prophets have failed that's not the meaning of prophet hood detective onwill refuted that in a video with David wood
@@Faithexplorer4376 except it refutes what the quran said about blessing the teachings of the followers of jesus
its because according to sahih muslim 6666 christians take on the sins of muslims so muslims can go to heaven, allah started christianity to create a population of sacrificial lambs
@@Faithexplorer4376 I'm sorry, if you're merely a prophet of God, and your message leads to people worshipping you, you're a bad prophet.
It's a good thing that Islam isn't correct.
Some of my thoughts/questions.
Muslims often claim/say your Gospel was lost or corrupted.
But is it not (from their worldview) Allah's Gospel?
From what I have read, the Quran claims the Gospel was preserved & present at the time of Muhammad.
Then why don't Muslims take responsibility for retaining the Gospel.
The Gospel is supposed to prove Muhammad is a Prophet.
It seems common sense they would keep copies of the Gospel/Injeel to show the evidence for Muhammad.
And I mean from Muhammad's time forward.
That’s exactly the problem. They don’t have proof of an “original” Gospel, which leaves the ones we have as the only valid ties to what the Quran claims. Then there is the issue of the Bible and Quran contradicting each other on many subjects: was Jesus God or not, how to get to Heaven, even some of the events of history like Abraham putting up Isaac or Ishmael. So the Quran can’t be a continuation of the Bible. And there’s the point of the whole video, where it shows how the Quran ends up false any way you slice it. Either the Bible is true and the Quran is false, or the Bible is false, in which case the Quran is wrong to claim it as there is no proof of any “original” Gospel to bail it out
They can’t tell you what the injeel is, so it’s hard to answer you unless you speak to a Muslim directly. As their theology is just head canon, there’s no standardization or reason. Erik is even making an assumption that injeel is gospel, as they claim the true gospel was given to “Isa son of Myriam” then was corrupted. But that begs the question, where is the original injeel? If they claim it is the gospels then you run into Erik’s refutation. If they sense that coming they will claim we don’t know and the gospels were all made up. So then you need the historicity argument which they deny vehemently. I’ve also been told the injeel is the gospel of John alone, which doesn’t work for so many reasons 😂 hope I helped but to answer you, they don’t even know so don’t worry if you’re confused. You should be, God is not the author of confusion or the Quran.
@jacobfavret1729 I get all that. My point is the Muslims put the onus on Christians. When the onus and responsibility is really on the Muslims to have kept and preserved the Injeel/Gospel....(in truth iNGEL is just short for evaNGELion...aka "NGEL"
But to me, it amazes me that Muslims get off scott free from not preserving "Muslim" scriptures.
As they claim Jesus was a muslim.
@@Uncommonvirtue777 Argument 1: "They don't have proof of an 'original' Gospel, which leaves the ones we have as the only valid ties to what the Quran claims."
Counterargument:
Islamic Perspective on Previous Scriptures:
Islam teaches that the original revelations given to previous prophets, including the Gospel (Injil) given to Jesus, were true and from God. However, these scriptures were altered over time. The absence of the original texts does not invalidate the claim; it aligns with the Quran's assertion of textual corruption.
Historical Context:
Historical and textual criticism of the Bible indicates numerous alterations and inconsistencies. The Quran's claim of alteration finds some support in these scholarly findings. Therefore, the Quran's position is not inherently baseless but is rooted in historical and textual analysis.
Argument 2: "The Bible and Quran contradict each other on many subjects: was Jesus God or not, how to get to Heaven, even some of the events of history like Abraham putting up Isaac or Ishmael. So the Quran can't be a continuation of the Bible."
Counterargument:
Clarification and Correction:
From the Islamic viewpoint, the Quran was sent to clarify and correct the alterations in previous scriptures. The Quran provides what Muslims believe is the correct understanding of theological concepts and historical events.
Different Covenants:
Islam sees itself not as a contradiction but as the final and complete revelation, building upon and correcting past messages. The differences in theological points, such as the nature of Jesus, are seen as clarifications rather than contradictions.
Argument 3: "There is no proof of any 'original' Gospel to bail it out. They can't tell you what the Injil is."
Counterargument:
Concept of Divine Revelation:
The Quran's assertion is that the Injil was the revelation given to Jesus, distinct from the gospels written later. Muslims are not required to provide a physical copy of the original Injil to validate their beliefs, as the Quran itself is considered the final and preserved word of God.
Reliance on Revelation:
Muslims believe that God’s revelation through the Quran is sufficient proof of the original messages. The Quran reiterates and reaffirms the core messages of earlier prophets, which is seen as evidence of their continuity.
Argument 4: "Muslims put the onus on Christians. When the onus and responsibility is really on the Muslims to have kept and preserved the Injil/Gospel."
Counterargument:
Historical Context:
According to Islamic teachings, the preservation of previous scriptures was the responsibility of the communities to whom they were given. The Quran was revealed to be the final and protected scripture, and its preservation was ensured through meticulous oral and written traditions.
Role of the Quran:
The Quran serves as the final and complete guidance, superseding previous scriptures. Therefore, the preservation of the Quran takes precedence, and the belief is that it encompasses the true essence of all previous revelations.
Argument 5: "Jesus was a Muslim. Muslims should have preserved 'Muslim' scriptures."
Counterargument:
Definition of 'Muslim':
In Islamic terminology, a 'Muslim' is someone who submits to the will of God. Therefore, all prophets, including Jesus, are considered 'Muslims' in this sense. This does not mean that the community of Prophet Muhammad was responsible for preserving previous scriptures.
Role of Successive Revelations:
Each prophet's community was responsible for their own scriptures until the final revelation (the Quran) was given to Prophet Muhammad. The Quran's role is to act as the definitive guide, encompassing and confirming previous revelations.
Argument 6: "The Quran ends up false any way you slice it. Either the Bible is true and the Quran is false, or the Bible is false, in which case the Quran is wrong to claim it."
Counterargument:
Correction, Not Contradiction:
The Islamic perspective is that the Quran corrects and finalizes the previous revelations. The assertion is that the Bible contains elements of truth but has been altered. Thus, the Quran can be true even if parts of the Bible are not, as it aims to restore the original message.
Scriptural Integrity:
The preservation of the Quran, supported by historical evidence of consistent manuscripts and widespread memorization, strengthens the claim of its authenticity and divine origin. This preservation is seen as fulfilling the promise that the final revelation would be protected from alteration.
Conclusion
In summary, the Islamic perspective on the Injil and the Quran's relationship with previous scriptures is nuanced and deeply rooted in theological and historical contexts. The arguments presented by critics often misunderstand or misrepresent these beliefs. By clarifying the role of the Quran as a final and corrective revelation, the consistency of its preservation, and the broader theological framework, a more accurate understanding of the Islamic position can be provided.
the gospel was NOT preserved at the time of mohammed, it was already corrupted.
plus, why preserve something old, when god gave us his words again. we should preserve the quran because it's essentially god's last words
Islam is the most "trust me bro" religion ever.
every religion is this
@@carlosgamer2818 No, we have history and evidence
@@carlosgamer2818 😂Sure if you pretend that archeology doesn't exist.
"Let's expose false religion and shine the light of Christ one video at a time." - Testify (probably)
Amen
watch
"TestifyApologetics is a Jahil (Ignorant)" by Farhan"
@@ahmed_hamoda9783no thanks. Go sulk in your corner without proof of the “original” Injil’s existence
@@TestifyApologetics Just asking why dont you prove that judaism or buddhism or any other religion is wrong?
Why wont you prove that satanists are wrong?
why do you have to do your best to prove that muslims are wrong?
Look ill subscribe to your channel and do a research about your religion ONLY if you have a debate with the sheikh othman on youtube and post the video
@@ahmed_hamoda9783 u gonna respond to yoeza or any other people
Source Of Islam Is "trust me bro"
@KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nk
53 minutes ago (edited)
I already talked about all these but I will say them again.
"No one can change Allah's words" mean if Allah sais something will happen nothing can stop it from happening. It doesnt mean what you Christians think.
I also already talked about what Surah 5 44-47 mean. The whole part is about how Jews in Medina always asked Muhammed questions to "judge by Muhammed" so that they could find an opening and show Muhammed bad but they already had had their own laws (Ten Commandments) so that they can judge by themselves. They were even sent Isa to confirm the Ten Commamdments. If you read the other verses after and before these verses you would understand it.
I also wonder why do we need to know the original one to say Bible is corrupted. We as Muslims believe Quran is from Allah because it makes sense. Quran sais Bible is corrupted therefore we believe Bible is corrupted. If Bible made sense to us we would be Christian anyway.
If a book told you to worship an elephant and we have historical evidence to know it wasnt corrupted would you believe it. No. Because it wouldnt make sense.
Also Surah 5 48 sais that Quran is "confirmation and supreme authority" over scriptures that came before. That Quran is confirmation over Bible and Torah doesnt mean it sais the whole Bible and Torah is true.
Think of it like this. You write a history book and show it to a professor historian for him to show you the true and wrong parts of your book. Now this historian is supreme authority over your book because it decides about it. But he is also confirmation on it since it also confirms the true parts of your book.
We believe there is also truth in Bible and Torah and Quran confirms the correct parts of them. You understand the word "confirmation" the way you want to and then
@@Faithexplorer4376 I might be wrong so please correct me, but as far as i'm aware in islam you believe that the word of allah is unchangable and uncorruptable, and also believe that the bible and torah are the word of God, but the Bible contradicts the Quran. You obviously know more about Islam than i do so i assume you have a good anwser for me
@@Faithexplorer4376again, you try and twist your verses in favor of you. Not what they flat out say. And I ask again: where is the proof of the Injil’s existence? You can make all these claims if you like, but they won’t stand or be counted as valid without the proof to back it up. Give us the evidence that there was a different Gospel than what we have. Just because “something makes sense” doesn’t suddenly make it correct or truthful.
@@JesusisKing-b4jhe’s gonna give you the same narrative: that there was an “original” Gospel given to Jesus called the Injil. This is supposed to contain what Muslims believe is the true message. They argue that this Injil was never actually changed and therefore uncorrupted. That the Gospels in the Bible were made completely separate from it, using it as a basis for their creation. The problem is there is no evidence of its existence. Not even asking for a copy, there is no proof of it existing. And worse, the verses both you and the video mention refers to the Gospel in the present tense, suggesting it was around in the false prophet’s time. And because we have no evidence of the existence of the Injil, the only valid conclusion is that the Quran refers to the Gospels in the Bible. All 4 of which contradict the Quran.
@@danielromani2964 thanks for the clarification
Great upload timing-I’m literally omw to missions in a primarily Islamic country!
@@Bruh_Bean HYPE! PRAYING FOR THE GOSPEL TO BE SPREAD THERE :D
I pray for your safety and that you reach as many hearts as possible ❤ God bless 🙏
@KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nk
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I already talked about all these but I will say them again.
"No one can change Allah's words" mean if Allah sais something will happen nothing can stop it from happening. It doesnt mean what you Christians think.
I also already talked about what Surah 5 44-47 mean. The whole part is about how Jews in Medina always asked Muhammed questions to "judge by Muhammed" so that they could find an opening and show Muhammed bad but they already had had their own laws (Ten Commandments) so that they can judge by themselves. They were even sent Isa to confirm the Ten Commamdments. If you read the other verses after and before these verses you would understand it.
I also wonder why do we need to know the original one to say Bible is corrupted. We as Muslims believe Quran is from Allah because it makes sense. Quran sais Bible is corrupted therefore we believe Bible is corrupted. If Bible made sense to us we would be Christian anyway.
If a book told you to worship an elephant and we have historical evidence to know it wasnt corrupted would you believe it. No. Because it wouldnt make sense.
Also Surah 5 48 sais that Quran is "confirmation and supreme authority" over scriptures that came before. That Quran is confirmation over Bible and Torah doesnt mean it sais the whole Bible and Torah is true.
Think of it like this. You write a history book and show it to a professor historian for him to show you the true and wrong parts of your book. Now this historian is supreme authority over your book because it decides about it. But he is also confirmation on it since it also confirms the true parts of your book.
We believe there is also truth in Bible and Torah and Quran confirms the correct parts of them. You understand the word "confirmation" the way you want to and then
@@JonDZ111 written many years after jesus and have many differences
@@Faithexplorer4376prove it. And Testify has literally done videos addressing how they were written earlier than we think. Not to mention, tell me how long after the false prophet passed were the earliest Hadiths written? Hm?
My favorite line is from redeemed zoomer.
"Knock knock, it's Muhammad. He's politely asking everyone to become muslim. When that doesn't work he asks less politely"
wojak fan spotted.
and don't say thing like that. mohammed is no fictional character that is in public domain. it is never ok to make stories like that about religious figures. it is rude and disrespectful.
@@user-wm6bi9mz9w
Sure, no more jokes about Muhammad. Btw what is wojak, I'm C.S. Lewis and Thomas Aquinas fan. I read, I don't watch a muslim dude walk around and attack The Bible. + At least I don't just disappear in comments after running out of arguments.
@@andro6534
bro..
wait, who that 'muslim dude' you're referring to?
i don't watch any muslims attacking the bible, for i believe they're hypocrites, because i think a muslim should not mock or attack or 'debunk'' other religions. because the quran teaches religion tolerance. but sure, we have our believes about the bible being corrupted. but i don't personally agree with people who attack others. because there is really a chance that we are wrong. we don't have evidence, so we shouldn't attack.
but that's a belief that i won't change in my heart.
whatever, i'm contradicting myself kinda. but thanks, i won't mock any religion too.
i said wojak fan, because you talked about 'zoomer'.. i'm no wojak fan myself. but i've been watchin such content recently because many yt creators of the genre have 'a day in the life ' video of different jobs and people.
i love philosophy too, but i know so little about it.
we're no pen pals. i must stop too. i do run out of arguments it's true. lol.. and i disappear
@@andro6534 If you did not do any research about Islam, don't talk.
@@Creaturexx Didn't do any research about Islam? If you didn't do any research about me, don't talk to me.
muslims: every muslim knows the book 100% memorized, everyone knows the same answer
"how old was aisha when doing it with muhammad?"
Muslims response: ,6,7,8,9,0,10,12,16,17,18,19,23,24,25,26 (lol)
she isnt even mentioned in the quran
She isn’t in the quran, and everyone disagrees on aisha’s age just like christians disagree on a ladder.
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Bro it was Like 2000 years ago who knows what other disgusting things they have been doing in the 7TH CENTURY this doesnt change that he was a prophet and has nothing to do with his actual life yknow spreading the quran and all that
Aisha was literally older than you when she did it.. Plus, prophet Muhammad PBUH gave Aisha options to marry and to do it or not.
Inshallah, Muslims will finally wake up and repent.. it's not the eyes that are blind but the hearts.. 🙏🙏
Just like Muhammad when he ignored the blind man because of the rich man lol
Insh yahweh
@@Giorgi755 my friend u are going too far just get quiet and follow ur religion blindly
U will see in the day of judgement just enjoy ur life
@@christopherharvey4257yawheh is pagan god search mythvision
@@RobinaRiyaz-jv3gn I'm not following my religion blindly.. I have many evidences.. Muhammad force the 7th century people to follow his religion blindly lol you busted yourself
Al Fadi and Cira International have done great work exposing the flaws and outright lies in the Standard Islamic Narrative. I highly recommend checking them out.
@@Bad_Llama I love that guy too.
like?
are the expert arabic speakers?
even people who graduated from 3 universaties atleast and study Quran for Life say there's no Flaw in it 💀
i don't remember her name but she graduated from Birlin and other universaties
and is expert in the Quran
says it has no flaw and it's linguistic ability is a masterpiece
you sure these are not hate speakers or bad translations?
@@ahmed_hamoda9783you don’t sound biased at all, ahmed
@@ballistic9644
idk if that's sarcasm or not
@@ahmed_hamoda9783 its very clearly sarcasm. a) Muslims whine about hate all day despite the fact they openly hate all non Muslims and b) this is something Muslims are completed to say, despite the fact tis completely unfalsifiable and subjective and could never be a criteria for truth, the fact the Quran even makes an argument that bad is pretty clear proof it is not from God.
I once had a conversation with a Muslim friend of mine, and I share with her some of this points about the inconsistency of Islam.
She replied to me that when the Quran talks about the facts that Jews and Christians need to obey their Scriptures, the text is not referring to the ones alive in Mohammed's days but to those alive when the Scriptures were not corrupt yet, and when the Quran says that nobody can change God's word, it's referring specifically to the Quran and to no other book, or it refers to the fact that God's will is undefeated.
How can I efficiently answer such claims?
You could ask her to prove that the key dogmas in both the Old and New Testaments are corrupted (such as, God being a Father, Priestly hierarchy, etc.)?
There's over 20 verses in Quran confirming the scriptures in our *_possession_* in 7th century. If she doubts it, show her 5.43 Tafsir of Ibn Kathir. Mohamad is literally holding a COPY of the Torah in the 7th century and swearing by it, even though he never read it.
5.41-44 Tafsir Ibn Kathir
They arranged a pillow for the Messenger of Allah and he sat on it and said,
«ائْتُونِي بِالتَّوْرَاة»
(Bring the Tawrah to me.) He was brought the Tawrah and he removed the pillow from under him and *placed the Tawrah on it,* ✋📕✋ saying,
«آمَنْتُ بِكِ وَبِمَنْ أَنْزَلَك»
*(I trust YOU* and He Who revealed it to you.) 👉📕
Same story in Hadith, in case she doubts the Tafsir.
Sunan Abi Dawud 4449
They placed a cushion for the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who sat on it and said: *Bring the Torah. It was then **_brought._* He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: *I believed in **_thee_* and in Him Who revealed thee.
Grade: Hasan
Here's the context of "none can change God's words"
6.114
Allah gave you the Quran and to those whom Allah gave [the prior scriptures] they know it [the Quran] is the truth
6.115
The words [in the prior scriptures] have been fulfilled [about the Quran and Mohamad].
*None can change His words*
Q: *_WHY_* do they know the Quran is true?
A: *_BECAUSE_* none can change his words. Therefore they will find it written in their books.
So actually "None Can Change His Words" is the REASON they KNOW that Quran is the "truth" because they can READ IT *_in their books_* because they're unchanged.
But this has not been effective for me in the past, they don't accept interpretation of a Christian, only the words of Mohamad so better to just stick to giving them Mohamad's words.
the verse telling christians and jews to follow their scriptures says "YOU people of the scripture" which means mohammad is saying this TO the christians and jews in the present, not ABOUT the two groups from the past
second, if the verse about changing allahs words said no one can change "the book" (which in the quran normally refers to itself) or "his word" id give them that one, but it says wordS, plural
which means its not referring to the quran specifically because that would imply his other revelations are not actually his revelations, which would be a contradiction
Know Islam No Peace, No Islam Know Peace
Oi! You stole me catchy comment! Made this same comment in a reply a few days ago! 😂
you mean "know Crusades No Peace No Inqusition no Christianity"?
@@ahmed_hamoda9783no. Crusades were a response to Islamic colonialism.
@@danielromani2964
Crusades k*lled Jews as their first thing
they were NOT a response (even thought they claim they were)
they even fought Christians who didn't fight them but had a different idea of God/belief
@@danielromani2964is that why christian’s also fought amongst themself during the crusades and persecuted jews??💀💀💀
You know a religion is bust when one guy can make two (or possibly even more) videos about catch 22s that disprove it.
This is why I'm not religious lmao. Because you Christians think this video basically disproves Islam, but there are arguments by Islam in response to this. Just like there are hundreds of videos disproving Christianity, and Christians can 'refute' those vids. SHOCKER people. You're both correct. Organised religion does not hold the truth u silly ppl.
All what i am thinking about is why do some christians shove their noses up in islam and keep complaining about how they hate it and not even making videos discovering their holy book or even reading it
You know a religious group (Christian’s) are desperate and insecure about their faith being true that they blindly follow a guy talking ignorantly about a faith that shadows over it to delude themselves to make them selves feel better
Muhammads mainly only had contacts with heretical forms of Christianity with strange views on Christology. That's why, Quran has misguided assumptions about Christianity and Christian texts.
So u admit that the New Testament is not the real Christianity but western made one 😂😂😂
His major source of information on Jesus is the gospel of Mary Magdalene. That's where he got the whole talking in the crib thing. Which as we now know is a gnostic gospel
@moosa86 no. In the koran the trinity isn't properly explained and it's said that Christian view the mother mary as part of it. Muhammad didn't know what most Christians actually believed, only a small group of Arabian heretics
@user-gc6wd7dm4w does Jesus talk in the crib in Qur'an or not? Which book had this information before Qur'an? It was the gospel of Mary Magdalene. Very clearly, the source of information for the Qur'an is this gnostic gospel. Which is a modern forgery. We know that now
@@moosa86 Jesus is God in new testament, but in Qur'an, he's not. Qur'an also gets the Trinity wrong than new testament, even if it was trying to condemn it. It also denies the crucifixion unlike the new testament as well as History itself. It also for some strange reason thinks that Jews think Ezra to be the son of God, if it had said that about Ezekiel, i could maybe understand. Mohammad's only source of information are gnostic gospels, so he makes them to be his authority over the Christians and pretends to be Allah's prophet to illiterate Arabs, most had no means of doing research on Christianity themselves.
Besides the Koran itself, one of the main reasons why I'll never become a muslim is because if you were to get the most popular and smartest muslim scholars on why they dont belive in the bible then they typically rely on their own confusion on the trinity and it's so silly😂
That Irish Orthodox Christian who debated Sneako pointed out that his inability to understand the Trinity is not actually an argument for it being false. It's just a declaration of your own ignorance.
Mind you it's Sneako but the point still stands.
If Mo just kept the gospels and Jesus out of his mouth the religion he created would be harder to disprove. He set his followers up for failure lol
@@TonyTheRodentLover the trinity can’t exist as they are either dependent or independent of each other and either way, they can’t be God. If you’d like a deeper explanation, I’ll give you one
@@MontuDesignsthe trinity is not something that can be fully comprehended by humans, doesn’t change the fact it’s real.
@@TonyTheRodentLover Defending Islam Against Misconceptions About the Trinity
Critique of Trinity by Muslim Scholars:
@TonyTheRodentLover: "Muslim scholars often cite confusion about the Trinity as a reason not to believe in the Bible."
Response: Muslim scholars and many others critique the concept of the Trinity not out of confusion but based on theological reasoning. Here are a few points:
Logical Incoherence of the Trinity:
@MontuDesigns: "The Trinity can't exist as they are either dependent or independent of each other and either way, they can't be God."
Explanation: The Trinity doctrine proposes that God is three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) in one essence. However, this leads to logical contradictions:
Dependency Issue: If the three persons of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, they cannot be dependent on each other. Yet, they are described as distinct entities within one Godhead.
Unity Issue: If the Trinity is one God, they must share a single divine essence. However, if they are distinct persons, they must also have distinct identities, which challenges the concept of absolute unity.
Biblical Interpretations:
@Cabbage22927: "Muhammad should have kept the Gospels and Jesus out of his teachings."
Response: The Qur'an acknowledges Jesus (Isa) as a revered prophet and messenger, and addresses the misconceptions regarding his role in Christianity. Islam's teachings emphasize the unity and oneness of God (Tawhid) without plurality or division into distinct persons.
Addressing the Trinity's Complexity
Human Understanding:
@ballistic9644: "The Trinity is not something that can be fully comprehended by humans."
Response: While Christians assert the mystery of the Trinity, Islam maintains that God's nature should be understandable within the limits of human reason and revelation. The Qur'an consistently reinforces the concept of monotheism without introducing complexities like the Trinity.
Muhammad had an encounter with an Angel of Darkness and that Darkness still covers the Islamic world blinding Muslims from seeing the Light of Christ
Galatians 1:9 NIV
[9] As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Alright, Lets do this one last time
*puts Spiderman mask on*
"The Quran claims the Gospels are divinely inspired and preserved, yet it contradicts key Christian doctrines, such as the divinity of Jesus and his resurrection. ", The Quran does not claim the gospels are preserved, yet It is divinely inspired. Just completely flawed and unpreserved
To tackle each point you made, we first have to take each ayat (verse) from each surah (Chapter) in full context to what was said BEFORE and AFTER it
Surah Al Ma'ida 5:47 "So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the rebellious.", Indeed, Allah is telling the Christians to look in their own books for judgement, But allah says so as a challenge to the validity of the Bible, it's an arabic rhetorical device called "نكر" (nakr) Which means "to deny" or "to repudiate." It often pertains to rejecting something or refusing to acknowledge it in what may be a question, And The context in which it is used can vary based on the sentence structure and accompanying words. If we look in the same surah at Ayah 5:41 "O Messenger! Do not grieve for those who race to disbelieve-those who say, “We believe” with their tongues, but their hearts are in disbelief. Nor those among the Jews who eagerly listen to lies, attentive to those who are too arrogant to come to you. They distort the Scripture, taking rulings out of context, then say, “If this is the ruling you get ˹from Muhammad˺, accept it. If not, beware!” Whoever Allah allows to be deluded, you can never be of any help to them against Allah. It is not Allah’s Will to purify their hearts. For them is disgrace in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter." Later Allah says "They eagerly listen to falsehood and consume forbidden gain. So if they come to you ˹O Prophet˺, either judge between them or turn away from them. If you turn away from them, they cannot harm you whatsoever. But if you judge between them, then do so with justice. Surely Allah loves those who are just." . Allah then continues to use The example at how the Jews had the Torah revealed to them, and Denied the Bible and what Allah preaches, and how the Christians will deny the Quran in the same way.
When he says let the people of the gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it, Its a challenge for the Christians to compare the gospel to the Quran, In terms of what Allah has brought in both scriptures. in the context of the surah, However it can not be taken outside of the Arabic context nor outside the context of what was said Before it.
"The Quran's assertions about the gospels as reliable revelations clash with its own claims of corruption. This contradiction undermines the Quran's credibility as a divine text."
We as Muslims acknowledge the gospel and the torah as holy books sent by Allah that were unpreserved my guy, We are not saying the versions we have now are Valid in any way, shape, or form. but the versions that were revealed to Jesus and Moses were sent by Allah, as well as all the revelations sent by the prophets beforehand. However we also believe that over time each scripture becomes corrupted, And people twist the words in them through translation and Lack of preservation or just overall confusion that they are unreliable and outdated, We don't believe that the Quran is the new and improved gospel, we believe that it is the same material Allah sent on all prophets, but this time it is preserved in it s original language, preserved through oral memorization passed on through centuries, and the exact same as the first source revealed to the Sahaba by the prophet (The companions of the prophet at that time)
The Quran's perspective on Jesus and the Gospels can be understood within its own theological framework. As we as Muslims believe that the Quran provides the final and complete revelation, which may reinterpret earlier scriptures rather than contradict them. The differences can be seen as a clarification of previous messages rather than outright contradictions. The Quran acknowledges the Gospels as part of a broader divine message. Differences in theological interpretation do not necessarily imply contradiction; they can reflect the evolution of religious understanding over time. Each scripture serves its purpose within its own context. it suggests that alterations may have occurred over time. This does not negate their original divine inspiration but indicates a need for the Quran to provide the final, unaltered message. The Quran's confirmation of previous scriptures can be viewed as an affirmation of their original messages, while the contradictions may arise from differing interpretations of those messages. The Quran provides a new context for understanding these teachings. Any point you made after this can be answered with those same exact answers, and when an argument draws back to one conclusion, It usually means there s a lack of understanding to the Material that argument is based upon by said "debunk"
Muslim apologists argue that the Quran critiques Christian and Jewish scriptures for corruption. But The Quran's critiques can be LITERALLY seen as addressing specific practices or interpretations of scripture that were prevalent at the time of its revelation which literally does not imply a blanket statement about the entirety of the previous scriptures but rather a call for adherence to the original divine message.
"why Didnt earlier texts like the Torah and Gospels were not similarly safeguarded."
There are whole books written by various theologians about that exact same question, and to put it simply it is because of translations my friend
The original languages of the Bible And Torah are primarily Original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. All languages that not only predate the Germanic languages we are used to now, but are also languages with different rhetorical devices, grammar structures, and just look ENTIRELY different
The Hebrew spoken during the time of Moses (approximately 1300-1200 BCE) is considered to be an earlier form of the language that has evolved over time. While modern Hebrew retains many features of Biblical Hebrew, it has also undergone significant changes, including the addition of new vocabulary and grammatical structures. Therefore, while they are related, the Hebrew used during Moses' time is not the same as contemporary Hebrew.
Preserving those books in their original language, then accurately depicting what they mean in our modern day languages not only proves to be a difficult task, but almost nigh impossible since The books of the Bible were initially written and copied by hand on papyrus scrolls. And NO originals have survived.
You could then pull up the point of the preservation by oral practice, but that isn't something the The Christians nor the Jews do, unlike the Muslims who had this as a customary practice since The very first Preaching of the Quran, hence why people memorize the entirety of the Quran word for word, and could recite every verse in every chapter by order flawlessly, Also since the language that the Quran came in, Arabic, is still widely used nowadays We can make sure that there have been no adjustments
IF you want further proof for that, your first point was literally drawn based on your lack of understanding of the rhetorical tools Arabic uses, (which is very ironic In my opinion) Which just proves that the language barrier will always lead to misunderstanding the context of Words
Your whole point falls flat with one question: where is the proof of existence for this “original” Injil?
@@danielromani2964mf got shut up badly 😂
A load of yap just to get shut by some dude with a sentence lmao
@@danielromani2964ik i dont git proof and stuff and im probably sounding dumb but where is actual proof that the bible was written by jesus and not by some random author tryna brainwash people and same to the quran idk these stuff but someone correct me if im wrong pls
@@danielromani2964 the real injeel is lost. you tell me... when "Jesus" was spreading the gospel what was he spreading? it wasnt his lineage or his lore it was the word of a one God.
It's no mistake that the colors on all the flags of the Islamic Nations happened to be the colors of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. It's not a mistake because they follow the false prophet and their Beast is about to rise. But fear not,Jesus returns soon.
Oh yeah. Been putting that connection in the past few video comments now. Muslims seem to ignore when the Bible actively refuted their religion specifically despite it coming out centuries after these refutations were made. Coincidence? I think not.
Those flags and their colors were purposely created that way by the British and it is funny to see Arabs continue to embrace them.
@@Lord9Genesiswell since King Charles is the Antichrist the math on that checks out
@@Lord9Genesis author Tim cohen
I’ve been making this connection for the last few videos. It’s crazy how much the Bible refutes Islam before it even existed
Can't we just respect eachother's religions and what we believe in?
No. It is not about Christianity vs Islam or religion. It is about God vs Satan. It is about Good Vs Evil. Satan's only goal is to be worshiped as "THE God" and have people DENY Jesus is God. They have named the entity "allah" and slaughtered millions in his name.
@@georgeorwellsghost3833 i respect christian but god being a human and come to earth to erase the sins ? like what ? god can never be human and he is way above our imagination .
ask yourself a question if jesus was god but in human form ? did he go to the toilet ? like can god actually be like that ? cmon man
@@sbaa33ii96 so you are saying what God can and not can? So u are thinking you know the limits of God? Christ is the King bro do u research.
After looking into Surah 5:47-48, it quickly becomes apparent that the quran assumes that Christians have the Gospel and that Christians are to use it to judge Islam. That puts the Gospel above the quran. If the Gospel contradicts the quran, then the quran is false.
Needs some correction, 5.47-48 only tells the Christians to use the Gospel to judge for themselves, just like 5.43 told the Jews to judge by the Torah, but 5.48 still says Allah sent the Quran to the Arabs as the "truth," but Allah does not want us to be one people that's why he gave us each our own law (Torah, Gospel, Quran).
So these verses specifically don't say the Gospel is above the Quran. Just that both should be used by different people.
But there are other verses in the Quran that do give supremacy to the Torah and Gospel over the Quran.
10:94 - Mohamad doubted that Quran is from God, told to ask the Jews and Christians to tell him if Quran is true or not
21.7 - if you don't know something ask the Christians
7.157 - The Quran claims its validity through the Bible.
@@timd3895 Thank you for this response. The part I gather that says the Gospel is over the quran is where it commands People of the Gospel to judge. I agree it's for themselves, but judge what? I take it they are to judge the veracity of the claims Muhammed and the quran make, and so that is why I propose Surah 5:47 says the Gospel is above the quran. Thank you for your comment.
actually the Quran judges the Gospel 💀
i don't know what translation you read bro
send me the verses from the translation you read
@@timd3895
10:94
the prophet responded with " When these verses were revealed, the Prophet (ﷺ) responded, “I am not in doubt and I will not ask ˹anyone˺.”"
21:7 EXPLCITILY talks about the messengers sent before the prophet,
"We did not send ˹messengers˺ before you ˹O Prophet˺ except mere men inspired by Us. If you ˹polytheists˺ do not know ˹this already˺, then ask those who have knowledge ˹of the Scriptures˺."
7:157
there's slight argumentation about if verse 7:157 is talking about Moses or the prophet
because of the verses leading up to that exact verse was about Moses
peace
@@hermanwooster8944
judge good and bad, punishments etc.
the Gospel is not over the Quran
the Quran is the Criterion over the Torah and Gospel
Gen 2:1-3 says God Rested on the 7th Day
Quran says Allah did not get tired making the Heavens and the earth
the Bible says Abraham and Joseph to Pharaoh
Quran says Abraham spoke to someone who Allah gave Kingdom and Joseph to a King and MOses to Pharaoh
verse 5:47 is is not talking about "The Gospel is over the Quran" shown by the verse itself
5:48 which explicitly says the Quran is the Supreme Authority over Previous Revelation
Ah yes. The Islamic dilemma.
ah yes. the joke religion that is christianity getting relieved by hearing about misinformation about another religion from an unqualified individual that is a yter looking for some quick cash
This made me a better Muslim
code: I have no refutation, but I'd rather be irrational than give up my faith
@@TestifyApologetics okay
@@TestifyApologetics lets talk about rationality , so god decided to come down here in form of human , marry gave birth of him and now we have jesus the god ofc .
so since he was GOD how could he as in human form go to the toilet ? and how could GOD die in a cross , like not a normal death crucified , just to erase the sins of those who follow him ? cmon bro
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
Galatians 1:6-9
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
According to Islamic tradition, Muhammad was visited by the angel Jibril (Gabriel), who revealed to him the beginnings of what would later become the Qur'an.
God creates, Satan counterfeits.
Matthew 7:15-20
Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Ik there is more prophet for the false prophet but this is enough
That was Satan not Gabriel, biblically, the angel gabriel DID NOT press mary against the ground until she couldnt bear it anymore and forced her to believe in Christ/God, he also started with Be no afraid, where as in islam, the "angel gabriel" supposedly appeared infrynt of Muhammed and pressed him against the ground till he couldnt bear it any more and told him to read and write, even though he said he couldnt, he also did not start it off with be not afraid, so the bible contradicts quran
@@TsukiYoruCrystalandKuro that’s what I think as well. It was most likely Satan posing as Gabriel to trick Muhammed into creating a counterfeit religion, Islam.
doesn't make sense because Matthew 12:26 "If satan drives out of satan, he is divided against himself, how then can his kingdom stand?" and in the quran it is obviously mentioned lots of times to not sin, which is against the idea of satan
@@average_9 It wouldn’t matter if you sin or not if you don’t follow Jesus in the first place. Satan will do whatever he can to deceive you and have you stray away from the Lord. He’ll do whatever he can to convince you that you don’t need Jesus Christ as your savior, whether you think that you’re a good person or not.
As I said before, Islam is a satanic counterfeit. The Quran unequivocally points to the bible as being corrupt, despite the fact that the Bible is the most studied, commentated upon and dissected more than any book in history. Unlike the Quran, the Bible is also the best attested document of all ancient writings.
no lie no Islam
I’ll do you one better:
No Islam, know peace.
Know Islam, no peace.
@@danielromani2964 crusades
Fr @@danielromani2964
@@danielromani2964Islam is the most terroristic religion in the world
@@danielromani2964🎉DING DING DING
For me its this simple. I will not trust the writtings of someone who never even met Jesus or knew his followers to tell me about Jesus. Most importantly I wont trust someone who claims the EXACT opposite of what Jesus said. Everyone around him knew he was calling himself God. Especially in John when Jesus says " truly I tell you before Abraham was born, I am"
We literally have no original Quran. Mohammad was illiterate and did not write, there was massive disagreement as to what the Quran should look like to the point where we don’t actually have an original Quran.
While I totally agree and makes the Quran less reliable, you have to remember we don’t have the original copies of the Gospels or Bible either. So this isn’t as big an argumentative point as you think. It’s about showing how Islam can’t be correct with its own material, like how it claims the Gospels as revelations from Allah. The Quran then says his words can’t be corrupted, and refers to them in the present tense, which suggests they were around at this time. And the claim that there was a completely different and original one falls flat since there is no proof of its existence. Boom. Checkmate Islam.
@@danielromani2964 yeah except the fact muslim is the first to scream the most about their holy book
@@williamTobith yeah their book have no flaw but also no source, really reliable
Look at the more loving man and follow him, his name is Jesus
Just, as an atheist, I’d like to correct a mistake of yours. 3:39 surah 6 verse 155 in the Quran does not talk about changing/ altering his words as in corrupting it. Looking at several Tafsir that are authentic and trusted sources (form ibn Kathir to Al Jalalayn) this verse it talking in the means of changing his last judgement. The Bible is not more trustworthy than the Quran. And it seems that you are making wrong statements in here.
Just one more upcoming video on the topic and Lord willing I am moving on from Islam for now
Keep on going Testify! You’re doing great! Also the Islamic argument that the Quran was perfectly preserved is false. There’s over 30 different variations and editions with over 95,000 differences between them. Even the original 7 editions have entire sentences changed between them and therefore context
Yes ur videos are so awesome :)
I agree with daniel that the qiraat would be good to cover (the warsh and the hafs would be easy things to compare in a short video).
I am currently writing a book on all the errors in the Quran and haddiths (its long). Another thing to consider covering as you seem to be covering logical contradictions within Islam would be the idea of tawhid (the oneness of God) and his names contradicting. God's most popular names all require other things to exist yet his names and their attributes (supposedly the only way we can know allah) are eternal. So the 99 attributes are supposed to be eternal and always exist yet his most popular names are:
Ar-rahmaan - compassionate one
Ar-raheem - bestower of mercy
Al-wadood - the loving one
how can you be loving, compassionate, or merciful if there is no object of your love, mercy, or compassion? The names have a bunch of issues like this and could be short.
another short contradiction would be the Quran committing shirk by claiming to be eternal. Ascribing any divine attributes to anything is the worst sin. But the Quran says it is eternal written on golden tablets in heaven. This makes the Quran (the word of allah) co-eternal with allah and thus commits shirk. That or it makes a second part of the godhead in Islam which would destroy tawhid. Fun stuff.
Idk what the last video you wanted to do was but here are 3 quick and easy ideas which every Christian and every Muslim should know.
@@danielromani2964 Tell me one of the diffrences between "Qurans".
@@KuzeyAkkaya-sb2nksure! These verses come from the Hafs version and then the Warsh version respectively.
2:132 “And Ibrahim enjoined on his sons…”
“And Ibrahim instructed/made his sons…”
2:58 “…we give mercy…”
“…he gives mercy…”
2:9 “…they deceive…”
“…they seek to deceive…”
As you can see, the verses are changed so that their meaning is completely different from one another. Granted the first one is more of a synonym change, but was meant to demonstrate different word use between them.
Don't forget to mention the "holes in the narrative" situation about the preservation of the qurad next video
And the Quran gets the Trinity wrong, it says Mary is a part of the Trinity.😂
Brother you know yourself that a part of christians glorify mary and worship her
Brother you know yourself that a part of christians glorify mary and worship her
@@aymanabdu2428 That's just a misunderstanding from non-Catholics/non-Orthodox.
We don't worship Mary as a divine person, only as the Mother of God, which she is because she carried Jesus (100% human, 100% God) in her womb and we ask her to pray for us, as well as all the other saints that are alive in Heaven with God .
Yeah that’s idol worship bud
@@brunovila100This statement has so much logical contradictions that I just don't know where to start with this bs
Just realised, has the prophet Muhammad done any supernatural miracles? i.e splitting a lake, resurrect the dead, rain fire etc?
I understand that he was a great warlord and unified his nation under Islam but no miracles
First the quran it self is a miracle cuz unlike the ingel the quran is world by word god's wirds, also split the moon
@@user-ib6zc5th9y a demon telling a fool to write something down isn't a miracle its the start of a false religion
@@user-ib6zc5th9y the split moon is scientifically disproven and I can even provide you with proof, and it was NOT done by muhammad
Is it just me but somehow i felt like Qur'an somehow want to make Christian and other that mentioned to be... converted?
I mean its like back in the day once in Islam rise to power they do those to gain support or something like:
"Hey check us out! our religion share the same teaching! that means we are means to be together and oh Also its mention that your Bible is corrupted so join us" Kind of thing??
Dunno its just me maybe overthinking things.
@@driedsoupfriedfish3884 spot on
I never thought about doubting the righteous living God for a false one, I just doubted why I couldn’t be in full argument over the truth, (I’m a novice follower of Jesus) but what I know from the Bible is, “he who has ears let him hear”, “do not dash your foot on the stone when you fall”, and “if they do not welcome you simply turn around and wipe the dust off your feet”. I don’t know too much from the Bible but these are scriptures I’ve recently read, and (I think) tells me that I should worry about those who are interested in the truth than those who defend a lie. I also encountered Jesus a few months ago, and now nothing in this world can deter me from what I experienced or saw. Thank you Jesus Christ for your light, and thank you God for allowing your Holy Spirit to reveal your son to me, the son who was made Man and crucified for the salvation of all those who believe and worship Him
if you are an ex muslim, please rethink this.
Amen 🙏
@@user-wm6bi9mz9wor don’t. Without lies, Islam dies
@@user-wm6bi9mz9wor don’t.
@@user-wm6bi9mz9wQuran is false, and debunks itself. Also, kind of hard to deny Christ when you’ve encountered Him. Maybe you ought to think about changing your faith.
Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior
for all the stupid people in the comment and the creator of this video islam say that most of the books he send but people changed them that why he hinted at the others
also you say that why should you rely on bible to find islam
alot of things in the bible dont added up one of the famous ones is
mathhew 26 36:“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.
that it self debunk that jesus is god and it prove that the "son" jesus has diffrent mind than the father (GOD)
brother don't mind them, their faith is blind and isn't based on logic, how would God even die for 3 days, either that means that jesus wasn't God even in the bible since he can't just die and leave all of his creation guided by no one or either that God isn't omnipotent since the creation can continue without the creator
St. John of damascus buried islam not long after its beginning. You should make a video about it
The Quran is not from God!
Then where is it from???
U know more islam than us
Making stupid theory
U r not a real Christian
it is. don't say things like that without knowledge.
So a man that couldn't read went into a cave and came out with 604 pages of poetry and miracles which he just made up🤨, its from God bro
@@jameslootensno proof. And no proof the false prophet came out of a cave with it. Also, literally cannot be a miracle by definition
Because god doesn't exist?
NIV Galatians 1:8 “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!”
I feel sorry for you brother. Your whole video is full of claims that you clearly misundertood and you are talking about them with such confidence as if you have studied Islam far more than enough. Be honest with yourself. Deep down you surely know that you haven't researched enough about Islam and yet you pretend here on youtube, misleading other people who are not capable of critical thinking and real research. I feel sorry for you.
Bro, save your patronizing and disingenuous pity and tell me where I'm wrong
surah 5. you didn't read the whole story. wait for the surprise plot twisttt!!! Happy reading and stop hiding informations!!!💋💋💋@@TestifyApologetics
@@TestifyApologetics “There was a Gospel-a divine message given to Jesus. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are writings of Jesus’ followers that contain some divine truths but are not the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. While God’s words cannot be changed, human texts can be altered after the original revelation.
When the Qur’an refers to ‘the people of the Gospel,’ it is acknowledging the divine truths that might still be present in those texts. However, this does not mean that the 7th-century Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. Instead, the Qur’an is recognizing these texts and encouraging their followers to adhere to the truths they contain.
The Qur’an reaffirms itself as the final and complete revelation. It is meant to be used as the ultimate guide, especially when there are contradictions or uncertainties in earlier texts.”
@@rrusstafari exactly , but i doubt he will answer u but i hope he read it at least , may allah guide him to the truth
@@sbaa33ii96 ameen. I wish people done more research before speaking and making videos. He wouldn’t like that to happen to his Bible but he does it with Quran. Sad. May Allah guide him.
I have read many religious text and islam for me is like the most obvious false religion
When i read bible and quran i believe maybe bible is right, or both are wrong
Quran would never be true
Still it is only for me
Care to elaborate why?
Trust me bro Ahhh Religion 💀💀💀
says a Christian 💀
@@ahmed_hamoda9783 Typical Muslim response. Just deflect when you been caught 💀.
@@PantalonRouge
deflect what?
Christians are the ones who don't know why they do their rituals and prayers (rituals like lighing a candel before praying etc. not rituals like uhh you who i mean)
the Quran gives evidence for proof of God
tell me what the Bible gives you now for proof of God (don't say miracles of the previous prophets you can't prove that to an athiest)
@@ahmed_hamoda9783 What do you mean? Of course, we understand the reasons behind our rituals. You have no idea what you’re talking about with Christianity.
Using your same logic, tell me why do muslims kiss the Black Stone as part of their rituals? Oh bc your fake prophet stole most of the rites and practices adopted from the pagan Arabian rituals of the muhammad's time. Even funnier, to hide their pagan origins, muhammad claimed that God initially sanctioned these rites. In fact, before, during, and after his mission, muhammad continued to perform rites that were nothing more than idolatry.
Explain that? Oh you cant since rituals its so obvious momo dupped you all in believing his fake cult.
The statement that the ‘quran gives evidence for proof of God’ is almost laughable. How so?
Also why can’t I say miracles? Is it bc your pathetic fake prophet couldn't do miracles? LOL.
@@ahmed_hamoda9783
What do you mean? Of course, we understand the reasons behind our rituals. You have no idea what you’re talking about with Christianity.
Using your same logic, tell me why do muslims kiss the Black Stone as part of their rituals? Oh bc your fake prophet stole most of the rites and practices adopted from the pagan Arabian rituals of the muhammad's time. Even funnier, to hide their pagan origins, muhammad claimed that God initially sanctioned these rites. In fact, before, during, and after his mission, muhammad continued to perform rites that were nothing more than idolatry.
Explain that? Oh you cant since rituals its so obvious momo dupped you all in believing his fake cult.
The statement that the ‘quran gives evidence for proof of God’ is almost laughable, I won't even give it time of day. How so?
Also why can’t I say miracles? Is it bc your pathetic fake prophet couldn't do miracles? LOL.
There's so many contradictions in the Quran 😂😂. Istg, every time i try to preach in Malaysia every muslim just tries to cut me off. I try explain but they dont give me a chance to and they keep on using the same arguements without reason 😂😂😂.
Cause without lies, Islam dies. Keep preaching the faith, friend ❤✝️
@Confederationcowcoming from the guy with the German WW2 symbol? And ignoring the fact that Islam still follows pagan traditions today? And the fact that Allah has direct ties to an Arab pagan moon god?
@ConfederationcowJesus is the English translation of the Latin name Iesus, with an I. This, in turn, is the Latin translation of the Hebrew name Yeshua. Not rocket science buddy.
Go try preaching towards an actual imam instead of random muslims.
“There was a Gospel-a divine message given to Jesus. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are writings of Jesus’ followers that contain some divine truths but are not the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. While God’s words cannot be changed, human texts can be altered after the original revelation.
When the Qur’an refers to ‘the people of the Gospel,’ it is acknowledging the divine truths that might still be present in those texts. However, this does not mean that the 7th-century Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. Instead, the Qur’an is recognizing these texts and encouraging their followers to adhere to the truths they contain.
The Qur’an reaffirms itself as the final and complete revelation. It is meant to be used as the ultimate guide, especially when there are contradictions or uncertainties in earlier texts.”
You’re conflating the gospels of matthew mark luke and john (whilst containing some truths in them) to the gospel given to Jesus, and this isnt fair brother. I think you need to do more research and try to have more understanding rather than being biased. I literally tried my hardest to understand what you said and argued YOUR points against the Quran and it just showed me that you’re misunderstood. Let me know what you think tho? Open to civil discourse always ❤
ChatGPT response to the message above and my understanding of this video and its claims “Yes, that explanation captures the essence of how the Qur'an addresses the concept of the *Injil* and the Gospels. Here's a refined version of that explanation:
1. **Original Revelation**: The *Injil* refers to the divine message given to Jesus. This was a direct revelation from Allah.
2. **Gospels of Followers**: The Gospels written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, which are part of the Christian scriptures, are understood to contain some elements of divine truth but are not considered identical to the original *Injil*. They are seen as influenced by the teachings of Jesus but have undergone changes over time.
3. **Divine Words and Alteration**: While Allah's divine words are immutable, human texts can be altered or misrepresented after the original revelation. This means that while the original message from Allah remains unchanged, the texts known to later followers can be subject to change or corruption.
4. **Inclusivity and Guidance**: When the Qur'an refers to "the people of the Gospel," it uses the term to be inclusive and acknowledges the divine truth that might still be present in those texts. However, it does not imply that these texts are the exact, unaltered *Injil*. Instead, it recognizes their significance to their followers and encourages them to judge according to the truths within these texts.
5. **Role of the Qur'an**: The Qur'an is presented as the final and complete revelation, which provides clarity and guidance that addresses any contradictions or misunderstandings in earlier texts. It serves as the ultimate source of divine guidance for all believers.
In summary, the Qur'an uses the term *Injil* to connect with the followers of the Gospels, acknowledging some divine truth in their scriptures while emphasizing that the Qur'an is the final, unaltered revelation. The Qur'an encourages followers to refer to it for ultimate guidance, especially when there are discrepancies or confusion.”
Really looking forward to your reply bro. Because i genuinely think you’re misunderstood. But i could be misunderstood on you’re understanding so let me know whay you think
thanks for this. I had a feeling he had weak arguments but this comment section is just an echo chamber about jesus pbuh
@@Thepupps5its easy to make a video like this and it might make you think “is he right?” When you do your research afterwards you will find out he is purposely (in my opinion) misconstruing the Quran to fit his narrative. He is interpreting it in his own way, and the way he’s interpreting it is wrong, its now how us Muslims interpret it. He is taking one thing and using it to say another. Just do your research after watching videos like this and it will only boost your faith when you realise they are wrong and are trying to conceal the truth. If you want to see my other comments with more insight. Check the replies of this channels reply at the top of the comments page. Just look for that one too. It shows more insight. Or i can send it here too
Best weapon to fight Christianity: nothing
Best weapon to fight islam: Bible and 🥓
You can hurt us but we will forgive you, we shall continue to spread the gospel to other people ❤
Dear muslims reading this comment: if you dont know how to respond to the islamic dillema, and need an answer, ill tell you.
There is no answer. There is no response. Just accept God, who loves you unconditionally.
there are enough contradictions in your book
@@Badchocolatemoldoh, so you admit the Quran has contradictions?
Why do Muslim need questions answer they should already be clear to them😂
@@danielromani2964 bro that was one the idiotic "if im wrong then does that mean you're also wrong"
Many commenters keep commenting that Jesus’ gospel is wrong. I’m genuinely curious as to how the gospel was distorted. Please let me here you out my brothers. I am very very skeptical of Islam.
That’s just it: there was no Gospel of Jesus. At least there is no proof of it existing. The Muslims keep claiming that there was an “original” given to Jesus and our Gospels are wrong and corrupt teachings, but without proof of this “original”, their claim becomes an excuse. Therefore, the only conclusion is that the Quran affirms the Gospel(s) in the Bible, and therefore condemns itself.
@@G.M23 why is it that the new testament was written about 40 years after Jesus‘ death, the bible are books made by many different anonymous authors during different times.. the preservation of the bible is not the same as the quran, the quran was preserved by our prophet pbuh in arabic and to this day there are so many people that learn each word by heart, not one word in the quran was changed unlike the bible.. the words of God cant be changed yes but when many different people are involved during different times.. errors can happen actually, especially when we dont even know who the authors actually are.. also there are even many different contradictions of the bible you see today.. like one example how can you „mistakenly“ write and mix up numbers and ages in the bible that is a contradiction, how can you translate numbers wrong, words maybe but numbers?
@@zadasaida there are at least 7 different qurans, so wich ones the intact one
@@arandomguy4800 wym, the original is in arabic there is only one, the others are translated in other languages
@@arandomguy4800 actually its the bible that has many different versions and translations
This Islam series is doing wonders
Here are some of the earliest gospel manuscripts in Greek and Latin, as well as extrabiblical books that quote the gospels from the first century:
*Greek Manuscripts:*
1. P52 ( Rylands Library Papyrus): dated to around 125-150 AD, contains John 18:31-33, 37-38
2. P66 (Bodmer Papyrus): dated to around 200 AD, contains John 1:1-6:11, 6:35-14:26, 14:29-30
3. P46 (Chester Beatty Papyrus): dated to around 200 AD, contains Pauline epistles, including Romans, Corinthians, and Galatians
4. P104 (Oxyrhynchus Papyrus): dated to around 150-200 AD, contains Matthew 21:34-37, 43-45
*Latin Manuscripts:*
1. Codex Vercellensis (Vercelli Codex): dated to around 360-370 AD, contains the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John
2. Codex Veronensis (Verona Codex): dated to around 400-500 AD, contains the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John
*Extrabiblical Books:*
1. *Clement of Rome* (96 AD): quotes from Matthew, Mark, and Luke in his epistle to the Corinthians
2. *Ignatius of Antioch* (110 AD): quotes from Matthew, Mark, and John in his epistles to the Ephesians and Romans
3. *Polycarp of Smyrna* (120 AD): quotes from Matthew and Luke in his epistle to the Philippians
4. *Didache* (120-150 AD): quotes from Matthew and Luke, and contains teachings similar to the Sermon on the Mount
5. *Justin Martyr* (150-160 AD): quotes from Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John in his Dialogue with Trypho
Note: The dates provided are approximate and based on scholarly consensus.
Thank you so much!!!
@@bri-chimchimcher-ee6955 no problem.
How do I save this comment 😂
@@madewhole-ev4uy copy and paste this and place it in a private social media server only you can access.
I'll keep this in my back pocket bro, you can add Codex Vaticanu (300-350 AD) and Sinaiticus (350-375)
0:48 nah you lying, its says gospel(The injeel) not GOSPELS, the quran confirms that the single book injeel is the word of god but not your 4 gospels.
This is the weakest argument you can use yet everyone uses it
After watching this video i become more muslim 💪
Why you muslim?
Cuz it the truth
@@nowayimconfused how Jesus says me and the father are one
I don't think he did, ur bible corrupters did
good to know you're irrational
"Trust me bro, I KNOW something reeeeally cool! Just trust me on that, budd!"
~Muhammad ibn Abdullah ibn Abdul-Muttalib, history's greatest prankster
Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Or are there locks upon their hearts?
Quran 47 : 24
As a muslim, i find this video amusing ❤
Yes we believe in the original Torah
Yes we believe in the original Gospel
And yes we believe in Quran
Torah and Gospel are the LAW of Allah, but Tanakh and Bible aren't. That's the difference.
Quran 2:79
"So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”-seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned."
Also, i respect our differences wether it's race, religion, etc. I don't blame you because Allah has planned all of this.
Quran 5:48
"We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. *If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you.* So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences."
this the comment i was looking for. keep spreading love. keep your faith and don't let anything distract from it.
Just one flaw in your claim: where is the proof for the “original” Injil’s existence? The “original” Torah? Without this proof, there is no reason to believe the Quran refers to any Gospel being the words of Allah other than the one(s) in the Bible. Your claim turns into an excuse
Is the Gospel not the Bible? How can you say you believe in the Gospel but not the Bible?
@@danielromani2964 I could also ask the same thing to you. Is today's bible still the same one as the earlier known scriptures?
Though, our view regarding Gospel are different. Christian see Gospel as narrative of the words and deeds of Jesus and was later written by His apostle and followers after them. While Muslim see it as one of 4 holy books of islam that was revealed by Allah to Jesus (Isa PBUH).
In christianity, there are 4 Gospels in the bible. Islam only see it as one and the existence of it is unknown. The existence of Torah is also unknown.
Like in Quran, both Torah and Gospel has main teaching is that to pray to Allah. One surah that explains why Christian Bible and Jewish Tanakh isn't the same as both Islamic Torah and Gospel.
Quran 9:30
"The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers. May Allah condemn them! How can they be deluded ˹from the truth˺?"
Because both has become polytheist by saying God has son or holy spirit as one, but who am i to say that. I'm just an ordinary person, not a Christian, not a Jewish, nor even a scholar
@@misskaren1115 Islam and Christianity has different view regarding Gospel. Christian see Gospel as narrative of the words and deeds of Jesus and was later written by His apostle and followers after them. While Muslim see it as one of 4 holy books of islam that was revealed by Allah to Jesus (Isa PBUH). But, who am i to say anything about Christianity. I'm not a Christian nor a scholar so i don't know much about it
The more I’ve learned about Mohammed, the more absolutely bogus the Quran becomes. Like how are so many masses of people following something so completely laughably unreliable, especially when it makes their lives so miserable for the most part?!
@@moosa86 fair enough but it doesn’t explain all the western nation converts who do it for fashion and aren’t hardcore “true believers” willing to suffer.
why are you Learning about Islam from hate preachers?
you don't go to a laundry guy and tell him to fix your Car!
so go Ask a Muslim about Islam because this is getting ridiculous
@@dillydanny-o8807
what type of Suffer?
i agree some people like to show off, but not all people convert to show off
most convert for God
@@ahmed_hamoda9783 I already knew plenty about it from direct sources. I have many associates across various religious perspectives. My comment remains. But I’ll clarify it’s not just because of one video on TH-cam it’s the combination of the years of other experiences and knowledge about Islam combined with semi-recent more intensive study in the historical archaeology behind the texts.
@@dillydanny-o8807
do you have a question right now you want to ask?
When the Quran says trust the injeel and Torah it means the message of Jesus and Moses not Mark Mathew luke and John 💀💀
But the Gospel and Torah of the people of the book(Bible) is the first 5 books of the OT and 1st 4 books of the New Testament
What bothers me about islam, is they claim jesus is the messiah and follow his teachings, but there is not a single verse in the Quran where jesus says he is the messiah? Yet they follow his teachings. Secound the Quran says its a sin to say you are equal with allah, yet jesus has said himself in the bible that him and the father are one? yet muslims still follow his teachings, it doesnt make sense. 3rd The angel Gabriel appears to mary and says you will bear a son who will be the son of god. Then 600 years later the same angel Gabriel appears to mohammed and say no he is not the son of god. So who are we meant to belive? well il tell you now i will belive the angel who appeared to mary the virgin, because jesus lived a sinless life, where is mohammed was a sinner. Now you do the math.
you are combining gospel with quran , in quran it clearly says the messiah is just a prophet , we belive he is just a prophet like moses , ibrahim , and muhammed ...
we dont follow the trinity we dont belive in any of that ...
think about it for a second tho , if jesus was god .
that means god can be human which is impossible and if he was a human he can go to the toilet ? and mary clean him when he was a baby ? like think about it man ? does god need another person to take care of him and go to the toilet ? let alone to die crucified ? THINK ABOUT IT
Be4 watching this i was a muslim but now after watching it and rewatching it im still a muslim
@@Adam-nm3wh how?
@@taavipiipponen3085i think this guys needs to have his illusion how islam is a peacefull religion, shattered.
@@etceterax144 agreed!
@@etceterax144 this is next level denial
Insane coping mechanism
no insulting, no because I said so. just facts! this is why I love this channel.
personally i would translate the word "tevrat" as tanakh instead of torah. quran doest say "tevrat" was given to moses. so the word means the whole old testament.
As a Muslim, I believe Quran is changed
Its not theres a chain of narrition
@@ersanylmazturk1761 come to Christ my friend
Nah fr tho. Ask for the evidence of the core-anne being true, and they'll hit you with the "because God said so" aka "Muhammad said so".
Can you make movie about Isaiah 53 ? We know that it’s talking about Jesus, but some people like Ehrman or Dan McClellan think’s that’ not.
Yep it's part of the plan. I have a long stream with Jonathan McLatchie were we go into it in depth just check the live tab but I'd like to do some short videos on it too.
If it's talking about JESUS, then the supernatural exists, then the Bible is true.
So it must not be prophesying anything
@@CosmicalChristOr the bible is true
Momo was cooking something devious bro 💀😭
It came to me in a cave
-Muhammad
Which verses in the Quran contradict the Gospels?
I done some research on your claims and you seem to be misunderstood
So there was a gospel (genre of book / good words from god) given to Jesus. Then there is the gospels of his followers (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) containing divine truth in it. Gods words cant be changed, this is a no brainer in any religion, but what we can do is AFTER his words come down, we can change them and SAY”this is from god” when it is NOT from god. When its asking the people of the gospel (matthew, mark luke and john) its using this word to be inclusive and recognise some of the truths in these gospels, but reaffirms the fact that the Quran is the final revelation and to use it as the final revelation. Its NOT saying the 7th century GOSPELS of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John was the Gospel given to Jesus! Rather its saying that these followers of Jesus use these gospels and should judge from the TRUTHS inside it, and any confusion or anything that contradicts the Quran is when you pick up the Quran.
I wrote that message by myself and didn’t spend much time on it but i got AI to polish it a little so its easier to understand, ill reply with the polished version so my message cant be misunderstood
“There was a Gospel-a divine message given to Jesus. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are writings of Jesus’ followers that contain some divine truths but are not the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. While God’s words cannot be changed, human texts can be altered after the original revelation.
When the Qur’an refers to ‘the people of the Gospel,’ it is acknowledging the divine truths that might still be present in those texts. However, this does not mean that the 7th-century Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are the same as the original Gospel given to Jesus. Instead, the Qur’an is recognizing these texts and encouraging their followers to adhere to the truths they contain.
The Qur’an reaffirms itself as the final and complete revelation. It is meant to be used as the ultimate guide, especially when there are contradictions or uncertainties in earlier texts.” - My answer to this video, polished by AI
Yes, that explanation captures the essence of how the Qur'an addresses the concept of the *Injil* and the Gospels. Here's a refined version of that explanation:
1. **Original Revelation**: The *Injil* refers to the divine message given to Jesus. This was a direct revelation from Allah.
2. **Gospels of Followers**: The Gospels written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, which are part of the Christian scriptures, are understood to contain some elements of divine truth but are not considered identical to the original *Injil*. They are seen as influenced by the teachings of Jesus but have undergone changes over time.
3. **Divine Words and Alteration**: While Allah's divine words are immutable, human texts can be altered or misrepresented after the original revelation. This means that while the original message from Allah remains unchanged, the texts known to later followers can be subject to change or corruption.
4. **Inclusivity and Guidance**: When the Qur'an refers to "the people of the Gospel," it uses the term to be inclusive and acknowledges the divine truth that might still be present in those texts. However, it does not imply that these texts are the exact, unaltered *Injil*. Instead, it recognizes their significance to their followers and encourages them to judge according to the truths within these texts.
5. **Role of the Qur'an**: The Qur'an is presented as the final and complete revelation, which provides clarity and guidance that addresses any contradictions or misunderstandings in earlier texts. It serves as the ultimate source of divine guidance for all believers.
In summary, the Qur'an uses the term *Injil* to connect with the followers of the Gospels, acknowledging some divine truth in their scriptures while emphasizing that the Qur'an is the final, unaltered revelation. The Qur'an encourages followers to refer to it for ultimate guidance, especially when there are discrepancies or confusion.
I like how the comment section looks
because it proves my point that 90% of the christians in the west or islamphobe and this makes me think
didn't your religion mention something about respecting other religions? or did one of your priests remove the verse talking about it as they do usually
But Islam can kill us and disrespect us your hypocrisy
@@GENERATIONALKINGS-rm6zt Bring me 1 verse that backs you up
plus most muslims are super religious so if this was true you wouldn't even be standing on your legs and typing this comment you would be dead
@@GENERATIONALKINGS-rm6zt Tbh i can speak like you i can say "Christians can kill us all check their bible and happened to the people of amalek!"
Even tho its missing context
The truths hurts accept or dont Jesus is the truth to life and i hope One day You ll be able to see that God bless you bro
@@RedLarva.comment Thanks for that but i am good with islam plus that didn't answer my statement
„Torah and the Gospels (so kind of the the Bible) are a perfect source and guidance!”
„Great! So, let’s convert to Christianity, or maybe Judaism and follow God!”
„No, wait, bro. I have an idea - let’s start our own religion!”
„Broooo… this is genius!”
The more I listen to your videos, the less I understand how Islam might even make sense
A small preface: I am a Christian that reads the Bible and tries to understand His word everyday without fail.
My argument:
As I watched the video I came to a small but quite an argumentative point. You seem to be pointing out the fact that Allah has said that his word cannot be corrupted but the Quran contradicts itself by saying the Bible is corrupt. I myself believe that the Bible has been altered here and there for example, compare the new testament of the New International Version (NIV) and New King James Version (NKJV) or it's older variant, the King James Version (KJV), the further you go back into the older versions of the Bible, more and more is revealed with perfect clarity. As for God and Allah saying that his word can't be corrupted, it is very much true. Let's take an analogy here. Assume I as a person make a statement. That statement is absolute and does not change over the course of time unless someone writes it down and with time, the decipherability of the original statement that was uttered by me changes as standards of the original language changes. Furthermore, many languages may not have a word for what another language has. The origin of the Quran is in Arabic and has not CHANGED MUCH compared to the Torah, Gospel and collectively, the Bible which has been interpreted, translated and written down from more than three languages.
P.S., I'm not here to say I support the Quran(I really don't), even if it was copied or borrowed from the Gospel/Torah, it has the credibility to say that it hasn't changed a lot since it's origin.
The biggest thing you failed to mention. Is the Quranic definition of Gospel. Quran doesn't perceived Gospel like Christian does. It pretty specific to (same applies to Torah). It not like something in the hand of the Christian. And it in the Quran explained what true Gospel is. And it can't be Bible due lacks of proof and authenticity. Jews claimed first 5 book of OT made by Moses yet no authentic works could reflect on that. Something could be said as same for 4 Gospels of NT. You know why? Because Quran specifically said Torah of Moses and Gospel of Jesus is the true, not some anonymous author of the Bible. Plus, in this video many misrepresented of Quranic and scholars positions. Because what you show an evidence that you don't do research at all.
Actually it does say its something in the hands of Christians
Except your claim falls flat. Because where is the proof of the existence of this “original” Injil and Torah outside the Quran? Without it, you have no valid claim the Quran refers to anything other than what’s in the Bible.
@@danielromani2964 it publicly known that Moses and Jesus have their own books. Remember when Jesus preached the Gospel. It can't be 4 Gospel because that came later after his ascension. According to Jewish tradition Moses did wrote Torah. If you actually looked at Bible you would know that. Quran claims the original was in hand of Moses and Jesus. That its. You are the one actually that doesn't have the claim. Because the Quran referred to the original not on your hand.
@@nurhaqim7159Christians and history don’t record Jesus preaching a GOSPEL. They indicate Him performing miracles and preaching spontaneously. Also, this does not dismiss the fact. As I have told you before, because you have no evidence for the existence of an “original” Gospel and Torah, you cannot make a valid claim that they existed. The burden of proof is on Muslims to prove the Gospels we Christians have which predate Islam by centuries aren’t the original. This starts with proving there WAS an original.
Funny, because the main source of information for Jesus and Moses is the Bible Itself. Mohammed and the people who wrote the Quran had no other credible enough basis to write about them aside from the OT & NT. You can't come six centuries later like the Kool-Aid Man, take Jesus and Moses which are described and talked about in the Bible so thouroughly and say that your revelation-- which is based on previous revelations and what people before you said-- is the true one. C'mon. This argument is so blatantly half-baked.
may the world be purged of the islamic heresy 🙏
very tolerant of you sir. heresy is a strong word. are you defaming an entire religion? shame on you.
such small mindedness is exactly what the world needs
@@user-wm6bi9mz9wyour religion is leading people astray
These videos seriously need a summary at the end, and even beginning, to underline what was said. It's so much to take in
this video is more than educational it should translated to Arabic so that we share our truth word
even a kid can answer these questions
Then answer them
but the gospels are not the entire bible
Jesus' message was corrupted as soon as he ascended, eh? That means that "Allah" abandoned the Earth for 600 years for the luhls!
If Muhammad was mentioned then Muhammad should have quote a verse like Jesus did to apply himself
Actually, mohammad is mentioned in the Bible, in Galatians 1:8
That verse doesn't pertain to Muhammad. Start from verse 6 and read to verse 10.
John 1:42
Cephas is Peter.
@@lauramann8275 yeah, it was a joke... Those verses are about the people that spread heresies I think
Thanks Testify, This video exposes the willing ignorance of most muslims.
Jeremiah is not indifferent to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10 a note is struck to which he will return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably by having allowed false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13-14). The only reply is the Lord's own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary)
Even though it was really the false prophets who did the act of deception, the Bible is actually shifting the blame to God for actually allowing the false prophets to do the deception. This is what the "inspired" author Jeremiah said, and this is what we have to accept. God deceived innocent people.
It seemed that people were so bothered by Jeremiah's ascription of deception to God that they had to reword the sentence so that deception would be ascribed to the false prophets instead.
Ah, Lord God! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people
The Targum paraphrases this verse thus: "And I said, Receive my supplication, O Lord God; for, behold, the false prophets deceive this people and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace." The prophet could not reconcile this devastation of the country with the promises already made; and he appears to ask the question, Hast thou not then deceived this people in saying there shall be peace, i.e., prosperity? (Adam Clarke, The Adam Clarke Commentary, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)
We have it in:
1 Kings 22:20-22
20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'
Here, we see that the man said he would resort to lying to entice Ahab, and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it!
I have no moral objections to this since I believe God could sometimes use means of deception to ensure the greater good and to use deception against evil. However, Christians don't allow this when we talk about Allah deceiving evildoers in the Qur'an. These are double standards.
We even have it in:
Ezekiel 14:9-11
9 " 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "
God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place. Isn't that entrapment?
ignorance of most muslims? like the ignorance of you following the teachings and ravings of a mad man who “saw jesus” and didn’t even meet him?💀💀
Hahahah this video is full of contradictions and purposefully misunderstood. What a time waste it was...
The Satanic Verses are already damning enough.
After the Islam series can you do Mormonism
Eventually but not next
South park buried Mormon they even did a musical about it
I want a comparison video about Mormonism and Islam in general...lots of similarities yet one is heavily mocked while the other is not talked upon due to taboos (either fear for life or fear of cultural insensitivity).
Since it's prophet literally wrote 2 different book's saying 2 different things, shouldn't be too hard
@@TestifyApologetics if you do, could you not call it mormonism? we don't worship mormon
Just remember the Quran is one.
The Hafs Quran, the Warsh Quran and the Quloon Quran.
1+1+1= 1 bro! 😎
More like Infinity (Infinite Father) + Infinity (Infinite Son) + Infinity (Infinite Holy Spirit) = Infinity (Infinite God)
Also why coudn't God make 1+1+1=1 if He wanted to?
@@user-vf7bk4os5yI think they’re making a joke at Islam’s expense for them mocking the Trinity
@@user-vf7bk4os5y cause thats not how math works lol
@@toorubase03 I don't think math can disproofe God tho.
I don't see why people need to make videos like this, what's the point in trying to disprove islam?