Who doesn't dude. Asking your crush out? JYP's confidence. Job Interview? JYP's confidence. Gotta speak in front of a group of people? JYP's confidence. Life hits you? Hit back with JYP's confidence.
@@eric24567Istg your comment needs to be in a Tshirt or a motivational poster.😭 The "Hit back with JYP's confidence" line is gold Lmao thanks for the laugh.🤣
i like that you included great vocalists in the “bad/decent”categories to show that even legends can have off days. one performance doesn’t define a singer, which is something kpop stans desperately need to learn.
When people say that belting with good technique makes it boring I always think about Shinee's Jonghyun. He has one of the most stylized vocals I have ever heard and still manages to have a healthy and developed technique
Yes !: This ! He started by mastering the technics before stylising the way he used his voice. His solo discography is really something to listen to, he really did explore the limits of his voice a lot, he was a really ambitious vocalist who deeply loved music and seemed really curious about all he could do. But what is the most striking to me is really his evolution as a vocalist, he's so interesting, he did start as a more technical singer and slowly stylized the way he sang to a point he really became a K-pop vocalist you can't mix with any other
@user-wi5lf2xd2h Yesss! He knew how to do it and realized what worked and what didn't work, I forgot what vid it was but I remember him mentioning how he changes the way he sings often and I've heard vocal coaches say the same thing cuz the way he sings 1 song changed every year
@@アウエン yes! as a singer myself, i do admire and try to learn by listening and analysing his technique! for me jonghyun is a true vocalist artist cuz even when he goes for a more "stylist" sound HE KNOWS HOW TO DO IT WELL AND WITH NO DAMAGE! also jonghyun look up at singers/vocalists and tried to learn it. gosh i love jonghyun and him as an artist and a vocalist. he was a true vocalist
This is why I always say there's a clear distinction between horrible and bad because none of the bad ones were really horrible and some of them weren't that bad to listen to (For the most part)
yep! Resonance does make you feel relaxed when listening to it. Notice how the red ones don’t have any resonance to them. That’s because the singers sang from the throat, instead of from the diaphragm.
Nice now I have a better notion of what belting is. To distinguish the quality of the belting is like having a feeling about the "push". Push "painful" feeling : bad. Push "screamy" feeling : decent. Push "beautiful and lyrical" feeling : Great. Its quite like the voice you hear has a texture value. Spiky for Bad, Grainy for Decent and Soft for Great. And congrats for your finals !
I was a little bit confused when you showed Chen as red, because I thought it sounded good. But then you showed him again as green, and difference was crazy! Thanks for this video, and hope you did well on your finals, haha!
i love how you showed chen in both bad and good belting and with the same note. it shows that this is about technique and not just mindless stan culture who thinks their fave can do no wrong and calls out others needlessly.
I think people are losing perspective recently because we rarely hear idols sing live anymore. It used to be that we regularly heard incredible vocalists from SHINee, snsd, etc, crack or get into trouble on music shows, so people understood that this is normal. Honestly it made the great performances much more thrilling, because you could understand how difficult and rare it is. Now that everything is pre-recorded and heavily processed, I don't even know what half these fourth gen idols really sound like. Choreo has gotten tougher, but I'd personally prefer we went back to the old ways. Just let the main vocalist stand still and sing while the others dance at the climax.
Chen's best luck notes are one of my favourites. This video made me realise that how even good vocalist can do bad belting sometimes.(Also can someone tell me that what range is chen's drop that note is?)
In Drop That, he sustains an E5 belt at the end although there's a quick-phrased G5 right before. But lmao his part in Drop That has so many belted E5's.
belle has such an amazing voice, but i noticed that she usually has to push herself to hit those crazy notes which makes me worried. i hope she protects her voice so that it doesn’t deteriorate :(
I'm seeing a bunch of comments annoyed that there's only idols in this video . Why? This is an educational video about vocal technique and it shouldn't matter who is used as an example. Also maybe the creator has been listening to Kpop more as if recent and at the end of the day this us his channel
8:54 damn that was a CRAZY belt oh my God! Happy that you did well on your finals (not even surprised tbh)!! Looking forward to your next videos’ ideas (:
I am so happy to see Luna in this video! She is technically so incredibly good it's insane! Also, if you don't mind me asking? Have you ever listened to Younha? She is a Korean singer and songwriter. She had incredible technique back in the days and supported F5's in her mixed register and despite her voice being so bright and youthful, it was really powerful and amplified in size. :) She was imo one of the best vocalists in Korea back in the days.
i’m really glad you specified this isn’t about good singers vs bad singers and even showed great singers having bad moments! a lot of fans don’t seem to understand that even great vocalists can have their off days, especially in such a gruelling industry.
another great video in this series. I am so happy that you have included Bell of Kiss of Life. I notice there are times when Belle sounds great belting and some times she is just really bad. why do you think is causing this inconsistency? what can she do to improve?
@@Rozzness because most people who watch a performance do not care or talk about technique when watching. 😂…..she might be better , but he doesn’t have bad technique. They’re great live performers is the point.
4th gen groups either have the best or most mid vocalists ever. youve got billlie and aespa who are all clearly vocally trained with simpler dances and then you've got groups like newjeans, le sserafim and itzy who are more dance focused. and then youve got nmixx who are jumping up and down while singing. and i'm least a fan of them than all the other groups i mentioned but i gotta hand it to em because that is mind blowinggg
Even my guy Chen can has his bad moments too. But seeing him both in bad and good example for the same G#4 is kinda hilarious but also amazing at the same time 😂🤭 He's stunning indeed 🥰
if lily opens up her vowels a LIIIITLE more, her notes would be far more resonant and meaty she's got an amazing range, but a very whiny and thin belt her mouth is a great shape, but she needs to release rather than push
why whenever you mention Siyeon it’s always in a bad light, like let’s not pretend the countless amount of non strained notes she delivered over the years. Haven’t once seen you put her on a good light it’s getting weird
belting refers to the thickening of the folds that can not apply above M1 or MX1, so you are right and wrong... MX2 cannot be belted, MX1 could be called "mix belt" because it refers to the "thinner" or thinned version of chest voice
Bro are you sure about what you're doing here at 8:12 ? That was clearly a bad belting and just shouty and light. I don't know how did you labeled this one as decent.
Love your videos! I was wondering if you could look into pentagon's vocal line and also btob (I think you haven't metion them before but I may be wrong), I think there's some gems in those groups and they're rarely talked about :(
I understand how difficult dance, touring, multiple concerts etc. can impact breathing therefore belting, but there is no reason for a trained voice to do some of the mistakes here. Some have too much confidence (0_o), some too little and some are absolutely not trained to sing.
problem with technical vocal analysis is kpop fans in particular assume that's all there is to performing, when in reality technical skills in an art from is only a means to an end but not the end itself. a lot of kpop's best technical vocalist cannot stick to the melody written for them without going off the rails in vocal runs, or cannot emote according to the intended mood of the song. vocal delivery alone cannot save a song from being terrible, and always the best vocalists get the worst music out there (case study: csjh lol) because great technique isn't needed in a genre whose main intent is to deliver a cohesive musical idea in 3 minutes. expecting eurocentric music theatre/opera vocal delivery in pop music fundamentally misses the point of pop music and breeds cognitive dissonance. If you appreciated vocal technique as much as you do, you'd be analyzing opera and other genres whose intent IS technique, instead of pop music centred on cute idols and catchy corporate-friendly music.
I appreciate how you showed some great singers having off moments. It shows they are human. Would love to see you talk about Yonghoon from the band Onewe. He is a great singer, but no one talks about him.
what do you think about Day6's vocals? can you do a video about it? I'm really interested to see your analysis/ranking or whatever just whatever anything lol.
Yup 😌 There are male singers that are optional beyond A4. Even Jung Dong Ha and Yoo Hwe Seung to name a few. On the 05:02 mark Chen hit a well protected Bb4. I think he doesn't focus on that because it's pretty hard time find male singers that are optional above A4
He really want to highlight Chen so bad 🤣🤣 most of his video Chen is the last one in male idols. he wants to brag that A4 notes which is not impressive since the range of tenor should be up to a4 only. It must be better if he includes tenor's outside range.
@@p.gseabi7481Kyuhyun, Sandeul and Ryewook can resonate up to b4 with ease why he didn't include it here? there's many compilations of them here on yt.. it's not hard if he didn't focus on Exo's main vocal line. but since this creator is very biased of course his faves are main priority 🤣
I was realy confident Taeyon will show up in this video and will be green. I wasnt wrong. Btw I dont have any clue of notes and anything shown in this video, yet it was realy entertaining.
Hey love your content but had a question If you have seen Iz*one, where would Jo Yuri fall in the category? I think she’s a good technical belter but I wanted your opinion.
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"a very confident man indeed" I'M CRYING
had me gone 😂😂😂
When he used him the second time! I too was especially gone😂😂
JYP is vocal good😡😡😡
I love your confidence...HAHAYA
lol….
I need jyp's confidence 🥺
A very confident man indeed
His so cool😍😍
Who doesn't dude. Asking your crush out? JYP's confidence. Job Interview? JYP's confidence. Gotta speak in front of a group of people? JYP's confidence. Life hits you? Hit back with JYP's confidence.
@@eric24567Istg your comment needs to be in a Tshirt or a motivational poster.😭 The "Hit back with JYP's confidence" line is gold Lmao thanks for the laugh.🤣
His voice hasn’t aged like fine wine for sure unfortunately
@@Rozznesscheers
i like that you included great vocalists in the “bad/decent”categories to show that even legends can have off days. one performance doesn’t define a singer, which is something kpop stans desperately need to learn.
When people say that belting with good technique makes it boring I always think about Shinee's Jonghyun. He has one of the most stylized vocals I have ever heard and still manages to have a healthy and developed technique
this!
THISSSSS
Yes !: This ! He started by mastering the technics before stylising the way he used his voice. His solo discography is really something to listen to, he really did explore the limits of his voice a lot, he was a really ambitious vocalist who deeply loved music and seemed really curious about all he could do. But what is the most striking to me is really his evolution as a vocalist, he's so interesting, he did start as a more technical singer and slowly stylized the way he sang to a point he really became a K-pop vocalist you can't mix with any other
@user-wi5lf2xd2h Yesss! He knew how to do it and realized what worked and what didn't work, I forgot what vid it was but I remember him mentioning how he changes the way he sings often and I've heard vocal coaches say the same thing cuz the way he sings 1 song changed every year
@@アウエン yes! as a singer myself, i do admire and try to learn by listening and analysing his technique! for me jonghyun is a true vocalist artist cuz even when he goes for a more "stylist" sound HE KNOWS HOW TO DO IT WELL AND WITH NO DAMAGE! also jonghyun look up at singers/vocalists and tried to learn it. gosh i love jonghyun and him as an artist and a vocalist. he was a true vocalist
Having Chen as the bad example for G#4 and then as the good example for the same note was so funny ashdhasdha
Even bosses like Ailee and Chen have their off moments
Yep. That makes me believe they're human 😂😂😂
This is why I always say there's a clear distinction between horrible and bad because none of the bad ones were really horrible and some of them weren't that bad to listen to
(For the most part)
Right, like JYP’s F#4 was listenable, but his G4 made me very uncomfortable 🥲
@@kitkat2713 "UNCOMFORTABLE" 😭 you need to leave 🤣😭
@@kitkat2713🤣🤣🤣
Honestly speaking, Jyp might be a bad belter, but he definitely is a person who's confidence you can aspire to have.😂
And he is actually a good teacher
I love that you showcased Chen having an off moment only to revalue him a second later!
What ive noticed is that my throat feels relaxed when listening to the green ones and tense when the red come up
yep! Resonance does make you feel relaxed when listening to it. Notice how the red ones don’t have any resonance to them. That’s because the singers sang from the throat, instead of from the diaphragm.
Nice now I have a better notion of what belting is. To distinguish the quality of the belting is like having a feeling about the "push". Push "painful" feeling : bad. Push "screamy" feeling : decent. Push "beautiful and lyrical" feeling : Great. Its quite like the voice you hear has a texture value. Spiky for Bad, Grainy for Decent and Soft for Great.
And congrats for your finals !
I was a little bit confused when you showed Chen as red, because I thought it sounded good. But then you showed him again as green, and difference was crazy!
Thanks for this video, and hope you did well on your finals, haha!
Chen being in the ‘bad’ tier once here just goes to show that even the pros mess up every now and then
D.o is superb in exo.truly underated
kiss of life's company needs to stop having belle sing so high all the time, i feel like it'll strain her voice some.
yeah, i feel like she going to break her cords sometimes😭
i love how you showed chen in both bad and good belting and with the same note. it shows that this is about technique and not just mindless stan culture who thinks their fave can do no wrong and calls out others needlessly.
Evolution of JYPE Across Generations 😜
Too bad his vocals didn’t undergo same evolution….
Even Chen can have bad moments.
Yes. Anyone can have bad moments 😊😊
We're human after all
I think people are losing perspective recently because we rarely hear idols sing live anymore. It used to be that we regularly heard incredible vocalists from SHINee, snsd, etc, crack or get into trouble on music shows, so people understood that this is normal. Honestly it made the great performances much more thrilling, because you could understand how difficult and rare it is. Now that everything is pre-recorded and heavily processed, I don't even know what half these fourth gen idols really sound like. Choreo has gotten tougher, but I'd personally prefer we went back to the old ways. Just let the main vocalist stand still and sing while the others dance at the climax.
Even Mariah Carry has friend😂
Everyone has bad moments
Even Celine Dion, Beyonce, and Mariah Carey
I love how JYP is out there giving singing advices when he himself barely can sing properly😂😂😂
He is indeed very confident😂
Those who can't do... teach
I mean his advices aren't necessarily 100% incorrect but they're just simple things that probably doesn't even needed to be pointed out-
A teacher is not always better than their students.
And his groups are notoriously bad singers.
I was shocked when I discovered NMIXX were actually half decent vocally.
Twice and Itzy can't sing at all
Chen's best luck notes are one of my favourites.
This video made me realise that how even good vocalist can do bad belting sometimes.(Also can someone tell me that what range is chen's drop that note is?)
In Drop That, he sustains an E5 belt at the end although there's a quick-phrased G5 right before. But lmao his part in Drop That has so many belted E5's.
@@VideoStar14 thanks
Very beautiful G4 from seungkwan, and as expected from SM vocalists chen amazing resonance and taeyeon beautiful C#5
belle has such an amazing voice, but i noticed that she usually has to push herself to hit those crazy notes which makes me worried. i hope she protects her voice so that it doesn’t deteriorate :(
I'm seeing a bunch of comments annoyed that there's only idols in this video . Why? This is an educational video about vocal technique and it shouldn't matter who is used as an example.
Also maybe the creator has been listening to Kpop more as if recent and at the end of the day this us his channel
8:54 damn that was a CRAZY belt oh my God!
Happy that you did well on your finals (not even surprised tbh)!! Looking forward to your next videos’ ideas (:
4:07 this note still give me goosebumps (also isn't that note resonated ?)
It is
Absolutely! Beautifully resonated
the actual meaning of resonance is different to know kpop stans use it. you could say it’s a great open belt with nice chest resonance.
A Green Supported note tends to have Resonance. If it doesn’t than it isn’t Green supported. At most it would be Yellow
I need jyps confidence
I am so happy to see Luna in this video! She is technically so incredibly good it's insane! Also, if you don't mind me asking? Have you ever listened to Younha? She is a Korean singer and songwriter. She had incredible technique back in the days and supported F5's in her mixed register and despite her voice being so bright and youthful, it was really powerful and amplified in size. :) She was imo one of the best vocalists in Korea back in the days.
Eunji hitting that note in a mask is mad impressive
You should also check out Nmixx's Haewon, she has some great belting moments
You mean my Nmixx bias?😁
@@aintnootherfan mine too!🙈
I think he still running for roses😂
I sure am!
@@aintnootherfan i wish you could make review of their album 🙌
i’m really glad you specified this isn’t about good singers vs bad singers and even showed great singers having bad moments! a lot of fans don’t seem to understand that even great vocalists can have their off days, especially in such a gruelling industry.
chen my guy is stunning 🤩😍
I'm crying with "a very confident man indeed" 😭😭😭 I really love that performance by Seungkwan, he was only 19 😭🩵
another great video in this series. I am so happy that you have included Bell of Kiss of Life. I notice there are times when Belle sounds great belting and some times she is just really bad. why do you think is causing this inconsistency? what can she do to improve?
Yey DK and Seungkwan... And i personally congratulate all main vocalists identified here... They work hard for their craft... ❤
NOT JYP ON THE THUMBNAIL xD
4:28 just Chen competing with himself
tbf Chen's bad G#4 was on a terrible vowel to belt in the first place
It would be nice if there could be explanations for why someone’s belt was bad, decent, good for different clips.
Hyolyn is a queen...the fact that she was dancing and hit that note 😭
She really is. She reminds me of JK. Both are the best live performers with choreo.
@@inquisitvem6723 How you going to say Hyolins powerful vocals and dancing reminds you of JK when they're miles apart technique wise, be serious.😭
@@Rozzness because most people who watch a performance do not care or talk about technique when watching. 😂…..she might be better , but he doesn’t have bad technique. They’re great live performers is the point.
@@Rozznesslmao ikr
Chen and Taeyeon really need a song together
Some of Seungkwan’s notes can be so huge
The breath control is amazing of park Hyoshin
Love how you acknowledged Eunji’s belts, especially that E5 ❤
Actually d.o told baekhyun to sing his part and baek slayed it
Only Park Hyoshin looks flawless belted ❤
Yes. My first love. He's super cool
this video just reminding everyone that eunji is a legend and one of the best vocalists in kpop
Siyeon is giving FERGIE
siyeon is giving 🦆
but her vibrato is decent
Oh my God I played it back and she really does sound like Fergie 😭
😭
Jail
Jail 😭
Belting is what gives you chills the back of your arms.
I loved the "Stunning" for Chen, he is indeed stunning ❤
i wish someday i'll have the same confidence as jyp
Seungkwan my baby..! 😭
I love you so much 👏👏👏 I swear his vocal card never declines.
Cut JYP some slack ☹️ .. he tries.
I loved that you used two examples of Chen for G#4!
im starting to believe that every video's intro will be run for roses from now
Run for roses making a comeback ;)))
I love the song too so really happy to hear u use it a lot!
4th gen groups either have the best or most mid vocalists ever. youve got billlie and aespa who are all clearly vocally trained with simpler dances and then you've got groups like newjeans, le sserafim and itzy who are more dance focused. and then youve got nmixx who are jumping up and down while singing. and i'm least a fan of them than all the other groups i mentioned but i gotta hand it to em because that is mind blowinggg
the jyp comments are hilarious. great video :)
Eunji is such a mad queen. E5 with a mask on!
JYP ones are torture tbh. 😂
Thank u for prasing Dk and Boo, and the other channel comment the Seventeen sound is robotic and emotionless.
3:17 IDK this man but he is a legend. oh my god his voice
Even my guy Chen can has his bad moments too.
But seeing him both in bad and good example for the same G#4 is kinda hilarious but also amazing at the same time 😂🤭
He's stunning indeed 🥰
if lily opens up her vowels a LIIIITLE more, her notes would be far more resonant and meaty
she's got an amazing range, but a very whiny and thin belt
her mouth is a great shape, but she needs to release rather than push
Eunjis E5 sounded CRAZYY
i miss your christina aguilera videos, please talk about her new vegas residency 🙏
why whenever you mention Siyeon it’s always in a bad light, like let’s not pretend the countless amount of non strained notes she delivered over the years. Haven’t once seen you put her on a good light it’s getting weird
Still haven’t listened to Big Mama, the real vocal queens of K-pop.
I just knew Sohyang would on this list
belting refers to the thickening of the folds that can not apply above M1 or MX1, so you are right and wrong... MX2 cannot be belted, MX1 could be called "mix belt" because it refers to the "thinner" or thinned version of chest voice
At 7:52, is sohyang using M1 or M2? Bc people say she generally uses M2 nowadays and her last belts were 10 years ago.
Get em queen
@@ardentthoughts9750the Eb5 was a neutral Mx1(chest)
@@ardentthoughts9750Sohyang still belts consistently until like a G5 nowadays so this notion that she doesn't is just not true
So basically, exo
Bro are you sure about what you're doing here at 8:12 ?
That was clearly a bad belting and just shouty and light. I don't know how did you labeled this one as decent.
2nd gen is the goat
The jongho clip is "is it still beautifull" if anyone wanted it.
That second JYP one sounded like a dying cat I'm sorry 😂
Nmixx best vocalist group that continues to grow❤❤❤❤🐳🐳🐳🐳🐳
YAYYYYYY
the beloved series
Lily's recent E5 in the groups cover of Kiss at their MIXX University concert🥰 (day 1, day 2 wasn't as open)
Will have to check it out!
@@aintnootherfanyessss! look up the fancams from October 7th 2023, Lily had her pink hair short on day 1
Love your videos! I was wondering if you could look into pentagon's vocal line and also btob (I think you haven't metion them before but I may be wrong), I think there's some gems in those groups and they're rarely talked about :(
Thank you for this video❤
I understand how difficult dance, touring, multiple concerts etc. can impact breathing therefore belting, but there is no reason for a trained voice to do some of the mistakes here. Some have too much confidence (0_o), some too little and some are absolutely not trained to sing.
Cara juzgona 5:43 -45 la chica de la izquierda 😅(Mejor me quito los auriculares)
The moment I saw Lily in the Thumbnail I had to click on it 😭
problem with technical vocal analysis is kpop fans in particular assume that's all there is to performing, when in reality technical skills in an art from is only a means to an end but not the end itself. a lot of kpop's best technical vocalist cannot stick to the melody written for them without going off the rails in vocal runs, or cannot emote according to the intended mood of the song. vocal delivery alone cannot save a song from being terrible, and always the best vocalists get the worst music out there (case study: csjh lol) because great technique isn't needed in a genre whose main intent is to deliver a cohesive musical idea in 3 minutes. expecting eurocentric music theatre/opera vocal delivery in pop music fundamentally misses the point of pop music and breeds cognitive dissonance. If you appreciated vocal technique as much as you do, you'd be analyzing opera and other genres whose intent IS technique, instead of pop music centred on cute idols and catchy corporate-friendly music.
Have you heard of BTOB? Would love them to be included in videos like this!
I appreciate how you showed some great singers having off moments. It shows they are human.
Would love to see you talk about Yonghoon from the band Onewe. He is a great singer, but no one talks about him.
now I understand ehy haewon biased jyp, he is so confident haha
Interesting!! With that confidence, JYP was able to form one of the most important companies in the industry 🤯
what do you think about Day6's vocals? can you do a video about it? I'm really interested to see your analysis/ranking or whatever just whatever anything lol.
Give me some of your confidence boss JYP
2nd gen on top fr
So Hyang is such an underrated artist. Very talented you should make a video just for her
Not any male idol/singer in Bb4 nor B4 ? Ryeowook ? Kyuhyun ? Naul ? Hyoshin ? Are they optionnal beyond A4 ???
Yup 😌 There are male singers that are optional beyond A4. Even Jung Dong Ha and Yoo Hwe Seung to name a few. On the 05:02 mark Chen hit a well protected Bb4. I think he doesn't focus on that because it's pretty hard time find male singers that are optional above A4
He really want to highlight Chen so bad 🤣🤣 most of his video Chen is the last one in male idols. he wants to brag that A4 notes which is not impressive since the range of tenor should be up to a4 only. It must be better if he includes tenor's outside range.
@@p.gseabi7481Kyuhyun, Sandeul and Ryewook can resonate up to b4 with ease why he didn't include it here? there's many compilations of them here on yt.. it's not hard if he didn't focus on Exo's main vocal line. but since this creator is very biased of course his faves are main priority 🤣
@@p.gseabi7481 no need to mention Chen's bb4 he can't sustain it. it's to high for him 😆
@@bt21forverwith damn bro you sound triggered as hell
Eunji is one of the best vocalist in kpop.
The bad moments from the vocalists who can hit those notes are just stylistic choices then.
I was realy confident Taeyon will show up in this video and will be green. I wasnt wrong.
Btw I dont have any clue of notes and anything shown in this video, yet it was realy entertaining.
Hey man
Could you please make a video of comparing the vocalist of kpop groups which are made by reality shows.
Eg - classy,izone,kepler ets
D.O. being the representative of the green is so true
He does have his off moments though! But not often. 😊
Hi! What is the background instrumental at the beginning? Thank you!
I found it! It's NMIXX's - Run for Roses
I wish jihyo would stop. I love her but alot of the times i feel like shes just yelling and it diesnt sound good in my opinion.
Park hyoshin is such an amazing vocalist. This just made me want to go back and revisit a lot of his performances
Hey love your content but had a question
If you have seen Iz*one, where would Jo Yuri fall in the category? I think she’s a good technical belter but I wanted your opinion.