You could do a video on how soundboom, its live and Lee Mujin all use pitch correction at different levels. I believe It’s live is the worst based on Twice’s performance (pitch didn’t move an inch for like 30 minutes) but I’d be interested in your take. Also, are encores really live, like Nmixx Encore Love me like this?
I think everyone knows nmixx use post production on their songs, MV, Performance video or sht like that everyone does. but when people say nmixx sing live is they just sing live literally. and when people say they sing live with raw vocals, then they just literally mean they sing live with raw vocals. but regardless. to be able to be atleast 95%-99% as the studio version is amazing in itself.
Every Offical MV or AUDIO are using pitch correction. But the raw vocal recording must be as precise as possible and the producer just make a very tiny pitch-correction to keep the natural sound.
@madvoador1 thanks, this was my first youtube video. Editing takes ages! Now I understand why so many youtubers just talk to camera :) This is just for fun though, and I don't want to be on camera
This is an interesting video. It is true that auto tune is often used in music production, as long as it is not used too obviously but just to clean up some fault or for artistic reasons there is no harm . But for the vibrato I think it's normal that it's not one hundred percent precise because it's the principle of vibrato we make the note vibrate between two frequencies. However, for this i prefere when it's natural without auto tune sometime when it's not perfect it's transmit more emotion
@sbng3958 thanks, I will need to be clearer about the distinction between vibrato and pitch correction visually, it's not about how flat the line is on the note, but how consistent and straight the average is through the vibrato. Maybe I should make a video visually exploring that!
3:31 tbf in the case of NMIXX (specially this song) is for a aesthetic reasons, not that they can't sing it live Its to give a sound of hopelessness/void, since the title says it, "Love is so Lonely", that empty tone gives its charm to the song
@jadebayoba7073 that's a very good point. Personally, I still wish they'd left Bae's voice alone, i think she can carry the emotion without artificial help and i prefer the second version. But, I hadn't considered it might be a production choice for just part of a performance for aesthetics. Thanks.
@@NoteNavigator NMIXX has been known for years by now to sound exactly like studio, if not better, they're quite literally the 4th Gen MAMAMOO's, Bae's voice is SO good, her flexibility and vocal technique makes her sound so good on live more than studio, Love is so Loney, Dash and See That? sound so good live just alone with her voice
@amarjauhar5488 yeah, I know it's obvious - it's just there for comparison against the more live versions. For example, if you play the isolated vocals from the MV and the "it's live" versions they're almost identical! Also, some ppl really think MVs aren't pitch corrected - even if it is obvious to you and me. Thanks for the comment, I'll make it clearer if I'm including an MV just for a baseline in the future
Also though, that's kind of my point. If they've got talented singers like nmixx they shouldn't pitch correct them on the MVs. I think it's higher quality with those little nuances left in
@@NoteNavigatorit's MV. No one cares. That's standard and normal and not a big deal at all. It's not live anyway. DUH😂 Live performance are where it matters, not mv's 🤦🏾♀️
@@lalalopsy5966 Dude is literally saying their vocals are so good that their songs would sound better without autotune. But you want them to have autotune like every other group 😂
they can't sing.. and the entire episode was autotuned.. if you dont believe me.. go see and hear it for yourself go find this one = NMIXX 스무 살 됐으니까 놀아야지 MIXXTREAM 04 즈 VLOG and go to 1:52 those are the most off-key notes you will ever hear and dont tell me.. they was just having fun so they didn't care a person who can sing can still hit the right notes even when drunk or tired cause they're actually singers
I disagree, just because someone doesn't hit every note 100% of the time doesn't mean they can't sing. If that was true, there would be no singers in the entire world. People aren't robots.
@@NoteNavigator I agree.. they dont have to hit 100% of the time when the mistakes are 1hz or 2hz away from 440hz. but when its WHOLE TONES AND SOMETIMES EVEN MORE THAN 2 WHOLE NOTES like in the example I told you to watch/listen! (and you either haven't watched or you watched and you're ignoring facts cause you're BIASED) you would realize that these people can not sing. so tiny desk was autotuned.. just cause the auto-correction plugin isn't working at a noticeable-synthetic setting doesn't mean they're not using autotune. you make it sound like just cause you're not hearing fully digital voice then there is no autotune lmfaoo.. we have come a long way technologically where we can hide autotune at low levels from the "masses" and something tells me that you know this already and you're just too biased to think. also dont give me that "they're just having fun so that why they're not singing well" when a person knows how to sing.. they can be extremely tired or drunk and they would still hit the right notes just like a mathmatician would know that 2+2 is 4 even if they're tired or drunk. grow up
@@FeelingPoyChina ok, please read this because I won't entertain any more trolling, but I am happy to have a genuine discussion. 1st, you posted your original comment 3 times, that's quite unnecessary so I removed 2 of them. 2nd, why so hostile and angry? Chill out dude, you can disagree on the internet without the anger and the personal attacks. You're undermining you're points by being so hostile. Elsewhere in this comments section are some arguments from an audio engineer that are really insightful and made me change my opinion. I recommend reading them. Let's get into it.... I did watch the vid you mentioned, and you're right there's some *really* bum notes in there way more than a few Hz off, it's pretty bad. The mistake you're making is called the "black of white" logical fallacy (or the false dilemma) which states that one of two things must be true, whereas in reality neither might be true or there might be room in the middle. Also, you're mixing in the "composition" fallacy. To be specific you're argument is absolutist, it's that since there's evidence where they missed entire notes (true) you're saying they can't sing (false). My argument is that there's room in the middle: very, very, few singers have perfect pitch, and I'd be willing to bet every single one of them has done a few performances where they've been out of tune even by whole notes. That doesn't mean they can't sing - but by your absolutist rules that would mean there are no singers in the whole world. Additionally, the whole point of this analysis is that you can visually see when there's pitch correction and when there isn't - it's not opinion it's fact. My key point is I'd rather hear it real with little errors because it makes it human. You're right though that there are levels of pitch correction, it's not as simple as autotune vs. not, there can be a lot of nuance in manual pitch correction (excellently explained by the audio engineer elsewhere in the comments). You agreed with me that "they don't have to hit 100% of the time" but now you're moving the goalposts to an arbitrary amount of Hz off-tuneness that you've decided is acceptable or not. That's fine for taste and what you find acceptable, but it simply does not follow that because someone makes mistakes sometimes they cannot sing. That's absolutist and just wrong. It's not like maths (another black of white absolutist fallacy), singing is more nuanced and affected by many other things. Typically people's pitch is significantly affected by being drunk or tired, whereas very basic maths isn't - their ability to do something more skilful like multiple differentiation might be though! You're also repeatedly exhibiting the "strawman" fallacy - misrepresenting someone's argument to make it easier to attack. You've twice attacked me for the argument "they're just having fun so that why they're not singing well", but... er... I never said that. You're having an imaginary argument with someone in your head that isn't me, and then being angry with me about things I didn't say. Finally, you're attacking me and telling me to grow up - that's a bit silly, especially when your bio line is "we are all five years old on the inside" and you know nothing about me. But I get it, you're a newjeans fan upset that I pointed out how bad the pitch correction was on the cookie MV. Have a read of yourlogicalfallacyis.com it'll make you better at arguing on the internet. Please give me a reference of a singer who's always perfectly on pitch regardless of how drunk or tired they are. I'd love to analyse that video. Any more hostility and I'll just block you and move on. Keep it civil.
What, these comments? Lol. I think the owner of channel should remove all his/her comments. I'm worried that she/he is mentally sick. The words were rude. If NMIXX can't sing then all of the idols are clowns except Ailee 🤣🤣🤣
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2 words that don't go together: NMIXX and autotune
That's basically blasphemy
Thank you for this comparison video. It just highlights how amazing vocalists NMIXX members are. ❤
Thanks! It does indeed show them as vocal queens of this generation
This was a highly informative and silly video. Thank you on both fronts! Also, just another W for Nmixx on Tiny Desk Korea.
Thanks, that's what I was aiming for :)
that's crazy, Tiny Desk really don't play with their integrity
yeah, I looked through a lot more than the snippet in the video and there's lots of real singing, which sounds great
Nmixx is the truthful and most talented group
I'm thinking of look at other groups that are described as vocal.
MAMAMOO, TWICE, Girl's Generation, KISS OF LIFE, AOA, 2NE1, SISTAR, Kep1er, ENHYPEN
@jadebayoba7073 as it happens, I just did a mini KIOF video after Natty was st Lee Mujin Service. Thanks for the ideas 💡
You could do a video on how soundboom, its live and Lee Mujin all use pitch correction at different levels. I believe It’s live is the worst based on Twice’s performance (pitch didn’t move an inch for like 30 minutes) but I’d be interested in your take. Also, are encores really live, like Nmixx Encore Love me like this?
I think everyone knows nmixx use post production on their songs, MV, Performance video or sht like that everyone does. but when people say nmixx sing live is they just sing live literally. and when people say they sing live with raw vocals, then they just literally mean they sing live with raw vocals. but regardless. to be able to be atleast 95%-99% as the studio version is amazing in itself.
Every Offical MV or AUDIO are using pitch correction. But the raw vocal recording must be as precise as possible and the producer just make a very tiny pitch-correction to keep the natural sound.
High quality video, please keep it up!
@madvoador1 thanks, this was my first youtube video. Editing takes ages! Now I understand why so many youtubers just talk to camera :) This is just for fun though, and I don't want to be on camera
This is an interesting video. It is true that auto tune is often used in music production, as long as it is not used too obviously but just to clean up some fault or for artistic reasons there is no harm . But for the vibrato I think it's normal that it's not one hundred percent precise because it's the principle of vibrato we make the note vibrate between two frequencies. However, for this i prefere when it's natural without auto tune sometime when it's not perfect it's transmit more emotion
@sbng3958 thanks, I will need to be clearer about the distinction between vibrato and pitch correction visually, it's not about how flat the line is on the note, but how consistent and straight the average is through the vibrato. Maybe I should make a video visually exploring that!
love mmixx!!!!
Nice job man, need more people to see this
Even if they did. We know NSWER, NMIXX don't need it but maybe as some back up for *just incases* we know they never really rely on it
3:40 that's almost default Bae actually insane
they sing like this is the last day of the world
3:31 tbf in the case of NMIXX (specially this song) is for a aesthetic reasons, not that they can't sing it live
Its to give a sound of hopelessness/void, since the title says it, "Love is so Lonely", that empty tone gives its charm to the song
@jadebayoba7073 that's a very good point. Personally, I still wish they'd left Bae's voice alone, i think she can carry the emotion without artificial help and i prefer the second version. But, I hadn't considered it might be a production choice for just part of a performance for aesthetics. Thanks.
@@NoteNavigator NMIXX has been known for years by now to sound exactly like studio, if not better, they're quite literally the 4th Gen MAMAMOO's, Bae's voice is SO good, her flexibility and vocal technique makes her sound so good on live more than studio, Love is so Loney, Dash and See That? sound so good live just alone with her voice
@@NoteNavigator and tbh the shakyness adds a sentiment of sadness/after crying that gives it another vibe
1:18 lowkey one of the best mezzosoprano's ive ever seen, she's literally on Baritone range
So well done!
i heard ALL NATURAL VOICES from NMIXX
W NMIXX
Ofc they using pitch correction for mv. It for the high quality music. Analysis on MV ? Wdym ? Its not necessary.
@amarjauhar5488 yeah, I know it's obvious - it's just there for comparison against the more live versions. For example, if you play the isolated vocals from the MV and the "it's live" versions they're almost identical! Also, some ppl really think MVs aren't pitch corrected - even if it is obvious to you and me. Thanks for the comment, I'll make it clearer if I'm including an MV just for a baseline in the future
He just point out the facts, nothing hate. if not how you compare the autotuned and lives vocal?
Also though, that's kind of my point. If they've got talented singers like nmixx they shouldn't pitch correct them on the MVs. I think it's higher quality with those little nuances left in
@@NoteNavigatorit's MV. No one cares. That's standard and normal and not a big deal at all. It's not live anyway. DUH😂
Live performance are where it matters, not mv's 🤦🏾♀️
@@lalalopsy5966 Dude is literally saying their vocals are so good that their songs would sound better without autotune. But you want them to have autotune like every other group 😂
This is just a simple video but i really got the message. Nice video bruh! Keep it up 🫵🏼
You know that they can do pitch correction and keeps nature vibrato at the same time right?
@timyi1888 totally, it's not about the vibrato but more how closely and consistently the pitch hits the exact notes, and how it gets there.
It seems like pitch corrections really affects the emotion sound of a voice which is when it changes quickly
new jeans sounds bad without correction.. but don't get me wrong... I love their songs.
so which ones were using pitch corection? i dont get it.
None of them
they can't sing.. and the entire episode was autotuned..
if you dont believe me.. go see and hear it for yourself
go find this one = NMIXX 스무 살 됐으니까 놀아야지 MIXXTREAM 04 즈 VLOG
and go to 1:52
those are the most off-key notes you will ever hear
and dont tell me.. they was just having fun so they didn't care
a person who can sing can still hit the right notes even when drunk or tired
cause they're actually singers
I disagree, just because someone doesn't hit every note 100% of the time doesn't mean they can't sing. If that was true, there would be no singers in the entire world. People aren't robots.
@@NoteNavigator I agree.. they dont have to hit 100% of the time when the mistakes are 1hz or 2hz away from 440hz. but when its WHOLE TONES AND SOMETIMES EVEN MORE THAN 2 WHOLE NOTES like in the example I told you to watch/listen! (and you either haven't watched or you watched and you're ignoring facts cause you're BIASED) you would realize that these people can not sing.
so tiny desk was autotuned.. just cause the auto-correction plugin isn't working at a noticeable-synthetic setting doesn't mean they're not using autotune. you make it sound like just cause you're not hearing fully digital voice then there is no autotune lmfaoo.. we have come a long way technologically where we can hide autotune at low levels from the "masses" and something tells me that you know this already and you're just too biased to think.
also dont give me that "they're just having fun so that why they're not singing well" when a person knows how to sing.. they can be extremely tired or drunk and they would still hit the right notes just like a mathmatician would know that 2+2 is 4 even if they're tired or drunk.
grow up
@@FeelingPoyChina ok, please read this because I won't entertain any more trolling, but I am happy to have a genuine discussion.
1st, you posted your original comment 3 times, that's quite unnecessary so I removed 2 of them.
2nd, why so hostile and angry? Chill out dude, you can disagree on the internet without the anger and the personal attacks. You're undermining you're points by being so hostile. Elsewhere in this comments section are some arguments from an audio engineer that are really insightful and made me change my opinion. I recommend reading them.
Let's get into it....
I did watch the vid you mentioned, and you're right there's some *really* bum notes in there way more than a few Hz off, it's pretty bad. The mistake you're making is called the "black of white" logical fallacy (or the false dilemma) which states that one of two things must be true, whereas in reality neither might be true or there might be room in the middle. Also, you're mixing in the "composition" fallacy. To be specific you're argument is absolutist, it's that since there's evidence where they missed entire notes (true) you're saying they can't sing (false). My argument is that there's room in the middle: very, very, few singers have perfect pitch, and I'd be willing to bet every single one of them has done a few performances where they've been out of tune even by whole notes. That doesn't mean they can't sing - but by your absolutist rules that would mean there are no singers in the whole world.
Additionally, the whole point of this analysis is that you can visually see when there's pitch correction and when there isn't - it's not opinion it's fact. My key point is I'd rather hear it real with little errors because it makes it human. You're right though that there are levels of pitch correction, it's not as simple as autotune vs. not, there can be a lot of nuance in manual pitch correction (excellently explained by the audio engineer elsewhere in the comments).
You agreed with me that "they don't have to hit 100% of the time" but now you're moving the goalposts to an arbitrary amount of Hz off-tuneness that you've decided is acceptable or not. That's fine for taste and what you find acceptable, but it simply does not follow that because someone makes mistakes sometimes they cannot sing. That's absolutist and just wrong. It's not like maths (another black of white absolutist fallacy), singing is more nuanced and affected by many other things. Typically people's pitch is significantly affected by being drunk or tired, whereas very basic maths isn't - their ability to do something more skilful like multiple differentiation might be though!
You're also repeatedly exhibiting the "strawman" fallacy - misrepresenting someone's argument to make it easier to attack. You've twice attacked me for the argument "they're just having fun so that why they're not singing well", but... er... I never said that. You're having an imaginary argument with someone in your head that isn't me, and then being angry with me about things I didn't say.
Finally, you're attacking me and telling me to grow up - that's a bit silly, especially when your bio line is "we are all five years old on the inside" and you know nothing about me. But I get it, you're a newjeans fan upset that I pointed out how bad the pitch correction was on the cookie MV.
Have a read of yourlogicalfallacyis.com it'll make you better at arguing on the internet.
Please give me a reference of a singer who's always perfectly on pitch regardless of how drunk or tired they are. I'd love to analyse that video.
Any more hostility and I'll just block you and move on. Keep it civil.
What, these comments? Lol. I think the owner of channel should remove all his/her comments. I'm worried that she/he is mentally sick. The words were rude.
If NMIXX can't sing then all of the idols are clowns except Ailee 🤣🤣🤣
@@FeelingPoyChinaIf you can't accept the RESULT Get out.