I didn't watch the last duel but its obviously realistic, they even had a blue filter over the lense to recreate the dull grey sunlight that we were stuck with before we invented the modern sun
The Last Duel(and The King) is a FANTASTIC movie! I cant rant and rave about it enough, to be honest. Its probably one of the most brutal and gritty medieval movies I've ever seen. But hey, to be fair about the blue filter, I live in Washington state, it looks like that nearly year round. Grey, dark, cold, muddy and rainy. The sun barely ever comes out during the winter, leaving us with very short, dark days, and long cold and rainy nights.
@@dequitemI have a question. I’d think that the armor that op is wearing is NOT of the same weight and encumbrance as actual, functional, made for battle armor, you would find in a European castle. Am I wrong?
I really appreciate how straight forward and to the point you are. Many channels are rather over the top and ridiculous in their commentary, but you deliver information in a very professional manner. Also, I just want to say that you're very talented; you are obviously very skilled in your art, your videos are very well edited, and you go out of your way to speak a foreign language all so that you can reach a broader audience.
I fuckin' love this channel. Beautiful fights, cinematic locations, and an interesting comentary on hollywood knightly combat! I loved this video and bope to see more in the future!
@@dequitemI'm a bit late but i would love it too! You gave me the final motivational push to begin my own journey this month, despite the cost and the fatigue it adds while i do my studies i finally did it. Your content brighten my days so i would love to see more and diverse. Won't reply desactivated comments notifications.
Lovely video. You have centered your attention in two films that offer a good enough duel. In lots of films, plate armor is like butter to other weapons, or main characters swords are like light sabers to those.
When it comes to sword strikes, while swords in reality are far from the clunky and heavy things they are often depicted as, they still are bars of solid metal. I like to compare it to being hit with a crowbar. Even if you are in padded armour that protects you from most of the blunt force trauma and the sharp edges, it´s not something comfortable or ignorable.
People forget about joules :) The transfer of energy. Its the same reason why a bullet proof vest will stop a bullet, but your ribs will still break from the impact.
@@dequitemyeah, something people forget is that the energy of that swing has to go SOMEWHERE. If you strike an opponent with a longsword on the side his bascinet sure it won't magically slice through the metal. But the force of being struck will likely put your opponent off balance and if you're lucky it might even make then fall.
I know they lost their breathe really fast in this duel but I sort of could imagine that happening since its a fight to the death and the adrenaline rush alongside panic breathing would be super intense in that situation.
Ive been training in HEMA fencing for about a year and few months now (have a background in Judo and Eskrima-Kali) and would absolutely LOVE to do armoured fighting like this!
Ich würde nicht sagen das ein Stich ins Herz die einzige sofort Tödliche Methode ist. Die Sehschlitze im Visier ist zwar ein kleines Ziel aber trotzdem sehr Effizient. Tolles Video weiter so!
Gibt genug beweisvideos von Leuten mit klingen im Auge und Gehirn die weiterkämpfen und erst nach mehren Minuten sterben. Von Treffern in das Herz gibt es das weniger.
I discovered today your channel. Congratulations for a very nice explanation you give on this subject. It is a pleasure to watch you and the parts of the movies you are talking about. Please go on like this !
Good you guys put the fight back into the knight. Your detail to armor and instructions are educational and inspirational. Nice instructions on classical fighting techniques, moves and weapons. You should preclude historical events in brief and strategy, tactics per fight, and add some damsels to be saved or taken captive. Great fighting! 👍
I love that you chose "The Last Duel" and "The King" as your references of choice. Those are my two most favorite medieval knight movies of all times, because I always thought the fights to be more gritty, dirty and just gross. Making them more realistic in my eyes. In both movies, the most consequential fights end with them rolling around in mud trying to stab/beat each other to death. I feel like that's exactly how most knight duels ended, that is, if it was a duel to death. I've read that most duels went till one side capitulated, which the noble was then ransomed back to his people. Idk how true that is, but seems true to me, as most people are going to choose to live when they realize they cant win.
The subject are trully interesting, the presentation of this topic was very welldone and also help me to improve my English, so it is this kind of content i really wanna see for obvious reasons!!!! Thank you Sir for sharing with us🤘🏻🙌🙌🙌🙌🤘🏻🇧🇷
Roman Polanski’s adaptation of ‘The Tragedy of Macbeth’ (1971) has an impressive duel at the finale. I think it’s regarded as the first properly choreographed knights in armour duel on screen. A lot people find Shakespeare challenging and intimidating, never mind if English isn’t your first language, but the costumes and sets are so atmospheric trust me it’s worth a watch.
@@dequitem Was something very different if you were watching it with pre-1971 eyes and not the remotest idea that such a thing as hema even existed. Which is the standard by which it should be judged. Plus it’s Shakespeare at the end of the day. Compare to all prior productions of MacBeth. It really raised the standard to another level at the time but it was still meant to be a literature movie on screen and not meant to be an action movie.
how did knights duel historically? mostly it was: 1. highly professional, very good knowledge of their weapons and their body 2. tried not to kill or maim each other 3. tried not to dishonor each other 4. show-off is probably allowed but not valued
The Last Duel is about a real historical duel, possibly the last judicial duel or at least the last we have records of. In the situation it is completely understandable that they would and did fight to the death, because it was a judicial duel to determine if one had raped the wife of the other (his defense was it was consensual adultery). The husband won, hence it was judicially determined to be rape. Regardless of the truth, the obvious intensity of such a case along with previous animosity between the two fighters makes it clear why death was the preferred outcome. That said, the details of the case and Ridley Scott's involvement was also why I didn't watch it. I was already tired to death of every single Historical Medieval film from Hollywood being obsessed with rape, especially after the fantasy series Game of Thrones. I waited for reviews and they were lackluster on it overall. That said, nice to hear the fight scene was mostly good. Maybe I'll watch that clip so I don't have to watch a rape scene being the focal point and reenacted three times in this movie.
What seems to be ignored in most fight scenes in a battle is that people wouldnt just be dueling with one enemy. There would be several enemies using daggers and other weapons joining in with a grapple, slotting into armpits, groins and eye slits from several directions. It must have been even more brutal than we see on screen
@@dequitem even in a line everyone attacks to the left and right as well as in front. I can imagine losing your footing and falling down in a tightly pressed melee would be bad news. That movie The King showed it quite well.
Heya love the content! As someone who has been getting into Hema. (Longsword, and polish saber mostly.) This practice is really interesting, and I am very curious about it. Like what are the rules in your duels? Do you have any sources I could read up? I assume your weapons are blunted, but like what kind of safety measures are there?
Sources you saw in the video is Paulus Hector Mair. It's the main source of our training. We have a small ruleset for videos and training. We alsways try to simulate killing, so we don't stop after hits we go for the finsh and look after the fights who won. Therefor we always train in full gear with all protection that hema equipment or full armors can provide and use Feder-swords and other flexibil weapons.
As a younger man, I always liked the final fight in Polanski's Macbeth (1971, th-cam.com/video/0waVOnG-PEw/w-d-xo.html ) where armour worked properly, they rolled on the ground and punched each other, there was some upright tackling, etc, and the mortal blow was an upward strike between the plates. Many theatrical flourishes, sure, but so different from silly ting-ting-ting sword fighting with continuous clashes of sword blades.
How important is the blunting effect of chain mail? As in, after going through the chain mail, the blade will be blunted and just be a poke hole in the body rather than a cutting hole.
We need more full length feature films like “the king” The best representation of the chaos on the battlefield, And the effectiveness of light armored skirmishers vs heavy armored knights in poor terrain with no ranged cover
@@dequitem I don’t think so, when I mean light armor I don’t mean no armor I just mean not large plate armor, under poor and chaotic conditions it can be as much as a curse as it is a blessing, though I don’t really have the experience like you so I could be wrong XD Love your content though it really shows the reality of what a fight looks like, as a practitioner of mixed martial arts all my life it was something that was clear to me, despite lacking proper HEMA experience.
HEMA-ist here. I want to applaud your efforts and the thought you've put into making the most realistic depictions of medieval armoured combat possible! I have one small technical question: I notice when you go to exploit a gap such as the armpit or neck) with your dagger, you tend to make repeated stabs ("shanking" style) at the chainmail undercoat instead of positioning the dagger a single time and DRIVING it in (which is sometimes depicted in the sources as being supported by the offhand). I assume in reality there would be room for both approaches, and have not personally tested either, but do you think repeatedly stabbing at chain mail would be as effective as trying to burst through the rings with a single concerted drive? Shanking has the advantage of speed and surprise, as you need the guy to be pretty locked down in order to concentrate your full force on a single powerful thrust, but the sources show this as taking place usually on the ground once the opponent has been taken down and largely immobilized (with pins/joint locks), and I believe this is how they chose to show it in the Last Duel (not that that proves anything). Really curious about your thoughts on this small technical question, as you are one of the few people even within HEMA who seem concerned with this aspect of things.
Yes pushing the blade in an immobilized target is the best way to reach the heart for an kill, shanking is also viable, can break through mail and can hurt the opponent very hard. We often do shanking because it's less dangerous, if the blade or rounded tip breaks of. At the end we wanna simulate the death and don't kill out friends. Also a Blade of a dagger with a pointy tip would stuck in the mail, the rounded tips don't get stuck and. It's hard to imitate the pushing. You often only slide about the gambeson, this look like garbage! I don't fight with actors I fight with friends, hemaists and buhurtfighters, they all are not used to finish someone on the ground and often forget to end the fight rightly. I think that's the biggest problem. And when they try to act the last step it often looks like bad acting and I hate bad acting!
Your posts are very informative and enjoyable. Eyes, neck, underarm, and groin are most vulnerable? Is it possible to cause so much pain to the knees to destroy the opponent’s footwork, as in MMA?
Or you can use certain weapons like sabers (for example Arabic scimitars) to repeatedly hit his fingers were there is not much patting to numb them. This strategy can also be employed with a berdysch for maximum effect^^
content idea: can u guys do duel in knight armor and samurai armor just wanna see normal fight in armors of knight and samurai together(youre duels are awesom btw and if dont have samurai armor no promlem)
In terms of "the fight cannot be over too quickly": highly recommend the animated star wars show Rebels - there's a VERY effective lightsaber duel between obi-wan and darth maul that only lasts a couple of seconds
@@dequitem I would say it really depends on how you do it. The actual combat in that fight is over quickly, but the "fight" is longer. The build up and small details taking previous things that happened in the story make it depite so little actual combat a very tense and great fight. Really, it´s more of a mental fight than just a show of martial powress.
@@theexchipmunk :D I actually thought about my demands as a viewer. I didn't wanna pay a film with the name "The Last Duel" with only one fight in the end that ends in only 15 seconds!
@@Puppy_Puppington Said like someone who never watched that one. Really, that one fight is more accurate to how most duels went than the “great combat” in the last duel. Even if it’s space wizards with laser swords.
@@dequitemthanks brother, I too was going to ask the same question. I would love to see and read more about these knight fighting techniques with illustrations. Your channel is great!
That's a bit out of context, but what is your opinion on the backspikes on pole weapons? You can see them in the fencing of Fiore dei Liberi, Talhoffer, Mair, and others. Some masters like Peter Falkner emphasize backspike techniques them quite a lot
I like back spikes more than hammers. That why I love halberds more than poleaxes. They are not very effektiv against plate armor but nice for gabs and chain mail or hocking the opponent. But the wracking against the helmet is less than with poleaxes :/
@@swiatlowiekuiste In interviews they claimed it was so the audience knew who was who. Which is remarkably dumb and borderline condescending when they could of worn different coloured jupons (which were popular with the french at the time) or just used some CGI and and made the visors transparent. Either way it has no grounding in history and is utterly anachronistic.
@Dequitem with regards to the stabbing and dagger usage, how do you make it safe? As a buhurt fighter I wonder how you're not getting injured or if it's just a matter of time.
Ich bin so goddamn froh das der YT Algorithmus euer Kanal vorgeschlagen hat. 10/10 content, kanns kaum erwarten mehr zu sehen!!! Hört sich an wie ein Bot Kommentar, is es aber nicht.
Whenever I watch your videos I wonder why you take off the gauntlet when you go for your dagger. I feel like that would make it a prime target for when you are trying to kill one another.
What alot plp do not know is like you said humans are not easy to kill like you mention not happy but I came from the streets I've seen plp get stabbed shot and more. However also one good hit can kill. So it's tricky but another point is anyone with armor was usually rich. Remember that. So not many knights where out their.
*Maybe* if the person with the heavy spiked weapon was on horseback at full tilt. But even then it's more likely to glance off and probably send the guy sprawling, or crumple the armor to some degree where it hits, likely less then you'd think.
I think the only thing I disagree with you on is the dodging sentiment. That kind of agility can be trained. It also still requires good knowledge of timing and spacing to be done succesfully.
it can be trained but in high level armored duels, it rarly happens! You can see some doges in my videos as well, but not that often like in "The Last Duel"!
@@dequitem ich feier knight Combat sehr und würd gern teil der community werden ❤️❤️❤️😁😁👍 bzw glaube ich sie sehr gut kommentieren zu können, ich glaub mit nem motivierten Moderator der das game so richtig pusht is da noch viel viel mehr drin!!!!
The first time I watch your video I thought you Killed the red leather dude. the camera was steal and the shadow casted between you as you stab him on the ground wtf you murdered him, till I realize it was a content. Your choreography style is almost to real lol
That's because it's not choreographed. It's real fighting with perfect protection and blunt weapons. There is no choreography. When the fight starts we didn't know who will win!
I do have to admit I have seen the last duel in the cinema but it was hard for me to pay attention. The king has got a couple nice sinces that look somewhat realistic but everything around it makes a bad inaccurate shit movie
Punch are extremely good i dont know why you review hollywood most of the knight know how to fight and goes to war way before they have amor they are dirty and can kil you with less thank 3 punch.....they are pro killer 😂 you cant compare to movie you dont know wath are you talking about....they dont talk about baton and good warrior who are strong and no one know about who kill many knight with a bâton or wood mace they also stole his armor when they got a kill ....reality is différent than movie dont compare them you just cant
True people are harder to kill than most people realise. .. Heart , through eye into brain and jugular are game over..Or an artery ..Some people have died by being stabbed in the leg from arterial bleeding.. Others have taken 20 to 30 to the chest back and arms and survived. It was in the news not long ago , A young girl was stabbed about 100 times and left all night in a park until a dog walker found her in the morning.And she survived. So sick that someone would do that.. A disabled girl too i think it said . What a survivor..
I didn't watch the last duel but its obviously realistic, they even had a blue filter over the lense to recreate the dull grey sunlight that we were stuck with before we invented the modern sun
:D I sometimes use blue filters as well. :D
The last duel was probably the closest film we have to a real fight. The Last King too. everything outside and inside of that is just cosmetic.
Lmao
The Last Duel(and The King) is a FANTASTIC movie! I cant rant and rave about it enough, to be honest. Its probably one of the most brutal and gritty medieval movies I've ever seen.
But hey, to be fair about the blue filter, I live in Washington state, it looks like that nearly year round. Grey, dark, cold, muddy and rainy. The sun barely ever comes out during the winter, leaving us with very short, dark days, and long cold and rainy nights.
@@dequitemI have a question. I’d think that the armor that op is wearing is NOT of the same weight and encumbrance as actual, functional, made for battle armor, you would find in a European castle. Am I wrong?
I really appreciate how straight forward and to the point you are. Many channels are rather over the top and ridiculous in their commentary, but you deliver information in a very professional manner. Also, I just want to say that you're very talented; you are obviously very skilled in your art, your videos are very well edited, and you go out of your way to speak a foreign language all so that you can reach a broader audience.
Thanks for kind words!
Yes. These guys have a really great ways in everything they do.
I also appreciate that he doesn't use words like wrong and just says inaccurate. He isn't unnecessarily offensive.
+1, sometimes I am about to go sleep when listening to guys like Matt from Scholagladatoria, he uses so much words for explainin so basic things.
I fuckin' love this channel. Beautiful fights, cinematic locations, and an interesting comentary on hollywood knightly combat! I loved this video and bope to see more in the future!
Thanks man for your comment. Would you be interested in a full step by step review of the last duel fight?
@@dequitem oh absolutely!
@@dequitem As would I!
@@dequitemI'm a bit late but i would love it too!
You gave me the final motivational push to begin my own journey this month, despite the cost and the fatigue it adds while i do my studies i finally did it.
Your content brighten my days so i would love to see more and diverse.
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Lovely video. You have centered your attention in two films that offer a good enough duel. In lots of films, plate armor is like butter to other weapons, or main characters swords are like light sabers to those.
When it comes to sword strikes, while swords in reality are far from the clunky and heavy things they are often depicted as, they still are bars of solid metal. I like to compare it to being hit with a crowbar. Even if you are in padded armour that protects you from most of the blunt force trauma and the sharp edges, it´s not something comfortable or ignorable.
Exactly!
People forget about joules :) The transfer of energy. Its the same reason why a bullet proof vest will stop a bullet, but your ribs will still break from the impact.
@@dequitemyeah, something people forget is that the energy of that swing has to go SOMEWHERE. If you strike an opponent with a longsword on the side his bascinet sure it won't magically slice through the metal. But the force of being struck will likely put your opponent off balance and if you're lucky it might even make then fall.
This was one of the best evaluation of "historical" movie fighting. Very illuminating and educational. Thank you.
I know they lost their breathe really fast in this duel but I sort of could imagine that happening since its a fight to the death and the adrenaline rush alongside panic breathing would be super intense in that situation.
Ive been training in HEMA fencing for about a year and few months now (have a background in Judo and Eskrima-Kali) and would absolutely LOVE to do armoured fighting like this!
Excellent video! the example at 3:22 is so brutish and demonstrative !
Such an underrated channel, your content is fantastic!
Ich würde nicht sagen das ein Stich ins Herz die einzige sofort Tödliche Methode ist. Die Sehschlitze im Visier ist zwar ein kleines Ziel aber trotzdem sehr Effizient. Tolles Video weiter so!
Gibt genug beweisvideos von Leuten mit klingen im Auge und Gehirn die weiterkämpfen und erst nach mehren Minuten sterben. Von Treffern in das Herz gibt es das weniger.
I discovered today your channel. Congratulations for a very nice explanation you give on this subject. It is a pleasure to watch you and the parts of the movies you are talking about. Please go on like this !
Yours is a truly remarkable channel, sir. And this, a particularly excellent video!
Such an amazing video as always!! I like this type of content and it’s awesome to see you dabbling in it!! Keep up the phenomenal work, please!
New subscriber to your channel! came here from the shorts, stayed for the analysis! Thanks for sharing!
That's the content we need on TH-cam :D Amazing video, as always
Thanks!
Today I learned a far more metal pronunciation for the word, "determine," thank you.
Good you guys put the fight back into the knight. Your detail to armor and instructions are educational and inspirational. Nice instructions on classical fighting techniques, moves and weapons. You should preclude historical events in brief and strategy, tactics per fight, and add some damsels to be saved or taken captive. Great fighting! 👍
This is entirely unrelated but I love your hairstyle lol.
I love that you chose "The Last Duel" and "The King" as your references of choice. Those are my two most favorite medieval knight movies of all times, because I always thought the fights to be more gritty, dirty and just gross. Making them more realistic in my eyes. In both movies, the most consequential fights end with them rolling around in mud trying to stab/beat each other to death. I feel like that's exactly how most knight duels ended, that is, if it was a duel to death. I've read that most duels went till one side capitulated, which the noble was then ransomed back to his people. Idk how true that is, but seems true to me, as most people are going to choose to live when they realize they cant win.
For sure!
That first punch from the giant. Man, that was brutal.
This was a very informative video. Thank you so much!
I will never need to know any of this, but regardless its incredibly interesting. Very cool video
The subject are trully interesting, the presentation of this topic was very welldone and also help me to improve my English, so it is this kind of content i really wanna see for obvious reasons!!!!
Thank you Sir for sharing with us🤘🏻🙌🙌🙌🙌🤘🏻🇧🇷
Very good video sir. Im looking forward to more videos like this one.
Can you please do the black knight fight form the holy grail. Most realistic fight ever?
:D... I'm not sure if there is anything realistic related positive stuff to say. I freaking love the movie, humor and scene, but realistic?
@@dequitem it would be funny to do a review that is also satire. Like ignore the inaccuracies and give it a high rating or even defending it.
@@dequitemThat fight had some half-swording parry's which appear nice from afar.
The rest of the fight is simply designed to be comedic relief.
@@NoBSSurvival you got me... But you have to wait 1 or 2 month ;)
@@dequitemstill waiting 😁
Thank you
Brilliant Presentation
Very nice analysis. Thank you for sharing. Salutations from Greece.
Greetings back from Germany.
A Good Video, Sir Knight.
Thanks.
Very good Video and also very informative. 👍
Good video, as always. You're amazing 😊
You too, thanks for your comments!
This is fantastic, great stuff as always!
Thanks.
Great video !
Roman Polanski’s adaptation of ‘The Tragedy of Macbeth’ (1971) has an impressive duel at the finale.
I think it’s regarded as the first properly choreographed knights in armour duel on screen.
A lot people find Shakespeare challenging and intimidating, never mind if English isn’t your first language, but the costumes and sets are so atmospheric trust me it’s worth a watch.
I watched the fight and it's good for that time but bad when you watch it with modern Standarts and knowledge in Hema.
@@dequitem Was something very different if you were watching it with pre-1971 eyes and not the remotest idea that such a thing as hema even existed. Which is the standard by which it should be judged.
Plus it’s Shakespeare at the end of the day. Compare to all prior productions of MacBeth. It really raised the standard to another level at the time but it was still meant to be a literature movie on screen and not meant to be an action movie.
Thanks for this great video!
how did knights duel historically?
mostly it was:
1. highly professional, very good knowledge of their weapons and their body
2. tried not to kill or maim each other
3. tried not to dishonor each other
4. show-off is probably allowed but not valued
The Last Duel is about a real historical duel, possibly the last judicial duel or at least the last we have records of. In the situation it is completely understandable that they would and did fight to the death, because it was a judicial duel to determine if one had raped the wife of the other (his defense was it was consensual adultery). The husband won, hence it was judicially determined to be rape. Regardless of the truth, the obvious intensity of such a case along with previous animosity between the two fighters makes it clear why death was the preferred outcome.
That said, the details of the case and Ridley Scott's involvement was also why I didn't watch it. I was already tired to death of every single Historical Medieval film from Hollywood being obsessed with rape, especially after the fantasy series Game of Thrones. I waited for reviews and they were lackluster on it overall.
That said, nice to hear the fight scene was mostly good. Maybe I'll watch that clip so I don't have to watch a rape scene being the focal point and reenacted three times in this movie.
Awesome Review, more enlightenment like this is much needed! ❤
Thanks!
What seems to be ignored in most fight scenes in a battle is that people wouldnt just be dueling with one enemy. There would be several enemies using daggers and other weapons joining in with a grapple, slotting into armpits, groins and eye slits from several directions. It must have been even more brutal than we see on screen
In some cases absolutely, but in must battles you try to hold a line, so that less people will die!
@@dequitem even in a line everyone attacks to the left and right as well as in front. I can imagine losing your footing and falling down in a tightly pressed melee would be bad news. That movie The King showed it quite well.
I made a review about that in my review of the last duel. You will like it!
@@dequitem thanks I'll watch that. Enjoyed your vids so far they're cool
Last Duel is a really good film. A nod to Rashomon, not as convincing, but still very good.
excellent vidéo ! I was an extra in this film!
That hit at 3:20 looked like it hurt 😬
😅 Because it did.
Heya love the content! As someone who has been getting into Hema. (Longsword, and polish saber mostly.) This practice is really interesting, and I am very curious about it.
Like what are the rules in your duels? Do you have any sources I could read up? I assume your weapons are blunted, but like what kind of safety measures are there?
Check the comment section under The duel video. There I asked Dequitem same question.
@@matejroch8963 Which duel video?
Sources you saw in the video is Paulus Hector Mair. It's the main source of our training. We have a small ruleset for videos and training. We alsways try to simulate killing, so we don't stop after hits we go for the finsh and look after the fights who won. Therefor we always train in full gear with all protection that hema equipment or full armors can provide and use Feder-swords and other flexibil weapons.
@@lilnoomer596 th-cam.com/video/861DPeOAFxc/w-d-xo.html or Dequitem - The duel
As a younger man, I always liked the final fight in Polanski's Macbeth (1971, th-cam.com/video/0waVOnG-PEw/w-d-xo.html ) where armour worked properly, they rolled on the ground and punched each other, there was some upright tackling, etc, and the mortal blow was an upward strike between the plates. Many theatrical flourishes, sure, but so different from silly ting-ting-ting sword fighting with continuous clashes of sword blades.
How important is the blunting effect of chain mail? As in, after going through the chain mail, the blade will be blunted and just be a poke hole in the body rather than a cutting hole.
We need more full length feature films like “the king”
The best representation of the chaos on the battlefield,
And the effectiveness of light armored skirmishers vs heavy armored knights in poor terrain with no ranged cover
But the advantage of light armored troops is fiction!
@@dequitem I don’t think so, when I mean light armor I don’t mean no armor I just mean not large plate armor, under poor and chaotic conditions it can be as much as a curse as it is a blessing, though I don’t really have the experience like you so I could be wrong XD
Love your content though it really shows the reality of what a fight looks like, as a practitioner of mixed martial arts all my life it was something that was clear to me, despite lacking proper HEMA experience.
HEMA-ist here. I want to applaud your efforts and the thought you've put into making the most realistic depictions of medieval armoured combat possible! I have one small technical question:
I notice when you go to exploit a gap such as the armpit or neck) with your dagger, you tend to make repeated stabs ("shanking" style) at the chainmail undercoat instead of positioning the dagger a single time and DRIVING it in (which is sometimes depicted in the sources as being supported by the offhand).
I assume in reality there would be room for both approaches, and have not personally tested either, but do you think repeatedly stabbing at chain mail would be as effective as trying to burst through the rings with a single concerted drive? Shanking has the advantage of speed and surprise, as you need the guy to be pretty locked down in order to concentrate your full force on a single powerful thrust, but the sources show this as taking place usually on the ground once the opponent has been taken down and largely immobilized (with pins/joint locks), and I believe this is how they chose to show it in the Last Duel (not that that proves anything).
Really curious about your thoughts on this small technical question, as you are one of the few people even within HEMA who seem concerned with this aspect of things.
Yes pushing the blade in an immobilized target is the best way to reach the heart for an kill, shanking is also viable, can break through mail and can hurt the opponent very hard. We often do shanking because it's less dangerous, if the blade or rounded tip breaks of. At the end we wanna simulate the death and don't kill out friends. Also a Blade of a dagger with a pointy tip would stuck in the mail, the rounded tips don't get stuck and. It's hard to imitate the pushing. You often only slide about the gambeson, this look like garbage! I don't fight with actors I fight with friends, hemaists and buhurtfighters, they all are not used to finish someone on the ground and often forget to end the fight rightly. I think that's the biggest problem. And when they try to act the last step it often looks like bad acting and I hate bad acting!
And you've got a nice voice👍
Your posts are very informative and enjoyable. Eyes, neck, underarm, and groin are most vulnerable? Is it possible to cause so much pain to the knees to destroy the opponent’s footwork, as in MMA?
Not realy but you can hit his head that much that his is disoriented!
Or you can use certain weapons like sabers (for example Arabic scimitars) to repeatedly hit his fingers were there is not much patting to numb them. This strategy can also be employed with a berdysch for maximum effect^^
very good video
Thanks!
I've literally never had an interest im this subject neither do i know anything about this, why am i here? Well the videos really good thats why!
😅 Thanks!
wonderful video!
content idea: can u guys do duel in knight armor and samurai armor just wanna see normal fight in armors of knight and samurai together(youre duels are awesom btw and if dont have samurai armor no promlem)
We don't have samurai armor! :( but I would love it too.
@@dequitem its ok u dont have to,keep the good work and i hope u get more subscribers
@@rickroll6029 ich u know someone with that armor send him to me.
In terms of "the fight cannot be over too quickly": highly recommend the animated star wars show Rebels - there's a VERY effective lightsaber duel between obi-wan and darth maul that only lasts a couple of seconds
But I have to say too, I didn't want the fights end too quickly as well.
@@dequitem I would say it really depends on how you do it. The actual combat in that fight is over quickly, but the "fight" is longer. The build up and small details taking previous things that happened in the story make it depite so little actual combat a very tense and great fight. Really, it´s more of a mental fight than just a show of martial powress.
@@theexchipmunk :D I actually thought about my demands as a viewer. I didn't wanna pay a film with the name "The Last Duel" with only one fight in the end that ends in only 15 seconds!
Dawg… did you just recommend sw rebels 😂 whilst people are comparing realistic knight duels & combat with great films like the last duel …
@@Puppy_Puppington Said like someone who never watched that one. Really, that one fight is more accurate to how most duels went than the “great combat” in the last duel. Even if it’s space wizards with laser swords.
What is the worst injury you have gotten whilst dueling?
Brocken elbow with open fraktur.
Jesus that thrust he takes at 3:25 just looked brutal looked like it landed on the chin or throat fuck that
Indeed it landed on the throat.
@@dequitem that sounds really painful hats off to you
Assolutamente d'accordo 💪🏼⚔️⚜️🤺❤🔥
Schönes Pavel moc haste da😉
Ja das sind die schönsten!!!
good stuff friend
i bet good armour is exspensive thanks for the videos there are educationall
This is sage advice to film makers. It's the same thing I see when I watch boxing flims. No one in a real fight is going to stand there and get hit.
where can you find those images at 8:10? The detail of those pictures are amazing
Wiktenauer: Paulus Hector Mair.
@@dequitemthanks brother, I too was going to ask the same question. I would love to see and read more about these knight fighting techniques with illustrations. Your channel is great!
Very interesting video.
Thanks.
You need more subs!!!
That's a bit out of context, but what is your opinion on the backspikes on pole weapons? You can see them in the fencing of Fiore dei Liberi, Talhoffer, Mair, and others. Some masters like Peter Falkner emphasize backspike techniques them quite a lot
I like back spikes more than hammers. That why I love halberds more than poleaxes. They are not very effektiv against plate armor but nice for gabs and chain mail or hocking the opponent. But the wracking against the helmet is less than with poleaxes :/
@@dequitem "Maybe I misexpressed myself, I didn't mean the beak at the head, I meant a second spike at the end of the pole
@@alpharius8264 there are many clips where I thrust with the end of the pole weapon. It's sometimes the most important part.
I watched the duel scene and wondered what's with the half open helmets they had on the horsebacks?
One loose his helmet when he fall from the horse and the other looses his helmet when he was kicked over the horseback.
@@dequitem I mean were the helmets like this a thing? Why would they be half open? Seems not historical to be honest.
@@swiatlowiekuiste In interviews they claimed it was so the audience knew who was who. Which is remarkably dumb and borderline condescending when they could of worn different coloured jupons (which were popular with the french at the time) or just used some CGI and and made the visors transparent.
Either way it has no grounding in history and is utterly anachronistic.
@@docholiday7975 Yeah even if they went with totally open faced basinets it would make more sense.
Facinating :)
@Dequitem with regards to the stabbing and dagger usage, how do you make it safe? As a buhurt fighter I wonder how you're not getting injured or if it's just a matter of time.
It is a matter of time, like in Buhurt, but the weapons are blunt and no wolfripps included! :D
@@dequitem That's comforting to know! Not a big fan of wolfribs myself, I like my eyes.
@@visceral.history it looks cool but is stupid. There are not many sources for wolfrips. I think it's only one sakral picture.
Ich bin so goddamn froh das der YT Algorithmus euer Kanal vorgeschlagen hat. 10/10 content, kanns kaum erwarten mehr zu sehen!!! Hört sich an wie ein Bot Kommentar, is es aber nicht.
Danke für deine freundlichen Worte. Hört sich an wie eine AI generierte Antwort. Ist es aber nicht ;)
Whenever I watch your videos I wonder why you take off the gauntlet when you go for your dagger. I feel like that would make it a prime target for when you are trying to kill one another.
More flexibility and yes I do it when I am so focused on stabbing some on the that I forget to protect my hand.
Id rather see you two fight on screen. Reminds me of waiting on the side of the ring watching the match before mine
So you have some adrenaline?
@@dequitem you could say that. I boxed for years. I have a home gym now. I'd like to get into armored combat
What alot plp do not know is like you said humans are not easy to kill like you mention not happy but I came from the streets I've seen plp get stabbed shot and more. However also one good hit can kill. So it's tricky but another point is anyone with armor was usually rich. Remember that. So not many knights where out their.
You are absolutely right. But in armor it's nearly impossible to hit the fatal spots!
where can i partake in this activity in Canada anyone ?
There are some teams, also skalagrim is from Canada 😉
Google for local hema and Buhurt groups.
this was hella interesting. also, i love the movie!
nice video but how do you find the locations for your fighting videos
Much searching on Google and big walks in the woods of Germany. ;)
is a chainmail shirt with long arms important under armor ?
It can help against the stabs under the overlapping plates!
Some people just use voiders
Nuance. I like it.
I wonder, can a heavy spiked weapon swung with full force pierce plate armour?
Not realy.
*Maybe* if the person with the heavy spiked weapon was on horseback at full tilt. But even then it's more likely to glance off and probably send the guy sprawling, or crumple the armor to some degree where it hits, likely less then you'd think.
I think the only thing I disagree with you on is the dodging sentiment. That kind of agility can be trained. It also still requires good knowledge of timing and spacing to be done succesfully.
it can be trained but in high level armored duels, it rarly happens! You can see some doges in my videos as well, but not that often like in "The Last Duel"!
i like the kings fights
The last duel fight is better the attacks are more on point and Halfswording is used properly.
What really annoys me if when someone takes a swing at the head and it's obviously so high that ducking was not even necessary.
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2:50 spark
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Aud sem Dialekt meine ich rauszuhören das du aus Deutschland kommst, ist das korrekt?
Korrekt.
@@dequitem ich feier knight Combat sehr und würd gern teil der community werden ❤️❤️❤️😁😁👍 bzw glaube ich sie sehr gut kommentieren zu können, ich glaub mit nem motivierten Moderator der das game so richtig pusht is da noch viel viel mehr drin!!!!
Ich schick dir gern meine privat Analysen die ich an meine Freunde schickte weil es mich sehr beeindruckt!
agreed.
The issue is: Is it entertaining?
Yes!
The first time I watch your video I thought you Killed the red leather dude. the camera was steal and the shadow casted between you as you stab him on the ground wtf you murdered him, till I realize it was a content. Your choreography style is almost to real lol
That's because it's not choreographed. It's real fighting with perfect protection and blunt weapons. There is no choreography. When the fight starts we didn't know who will win!
Not enough half swording..
4 actions in "The King" and actually 11 actions in "The Last Duel". But mostly short and at the edge of the screen.
I do have to admit I have seen the last duel in the cinema but it was hard for me to pay attention. The king has got a couple nice sinces that look somewhat realistic but everything around it makes a bad inaccurate shit movie
i just watched the last duel and it was a really bad movie. 2 out of 5 stars on prime.. theres 1 duel and the rest is just a grape scene....
Unfortunately to less fighting.
Punch are extremely good i dont know why you review hollywood most of the knight know how to fight and goes to war way before they have amor they are dirty and can kil you with less thank 3 punch.....they are pro killer 😂 you cant compare to movie you dont know wath are you talking about....they dont talk about baton and good warrior who are strong and no one know about who kill many knight with a bâton or wood mace they also stole his armor when they got a kill ....reality is différent than movie dont compare them you just cant
True people are harder to kill than most people realise. ..
Heart , through eye into brain and jugular are game over..Or an artery ..Some people have died by being stabbed in the leg from arterial bleeding..
Others have taken 20 to 30 to the chest back and arms and survived.
It was in the news not long ago , A young girl was stabbed about 100 times and left all night in a park until a dog walker found her in the morning.And she survived.
So sick that someone would do that.. A disabled girl too i think it said . What a survivor..
Ok this is realistic duel of a very skilless knights. You guys are very weak and lacking physical training, not even talking about fencing skills.
😁 If you think so 😉 I know better!
I love this man
Thanks!