That is forever going to be my quote to remember Eugene stoner for the current AR-15 and modern rifles what started it all "A hobby that got outta hand"
So much BS with the poor quality powder, unchromed bores, unnecessary forward assist. I wonder how dominant the rifle would be if he didn't have to deal with such nonsense.
49:20 “Is this a problem, generally, in military testing, that, if you can’t meet the requirement, you change the requirement?” Exactly what the military is doing with recruiting.
I seem to recall that someone, somewhere, did try to warn us. I can't recall who or where, but I think it was a long time ago, so it was probably not anyone worth listening to.
Has anyone else noticed that the endurance of the AR-15 as such a successful design was likely the result of all the times the Army tried to screw Eugene and his team over? Each time they made his job harder he refined his design just a little more. Through this evolution it became inevitable that it would win out.
Yea it def stood the test of time, but honestly it's original design was just as good minus the thin barrel and bakelite plastics. It was reliable and extremely functional. You could argue the original was better due to it's weight, but maybe slightly less durable.
It's one of my favorite stories. It definitely should be a movie. The AR15 is so politicized now. It would be good for the masses to know how it originally came about instead of CNN telling them it was created in hitlers bunker or whatever.
@@yass5889 I didn't know him but we knew that there was an M16 guy that lived somewhere around. I went to school with his God daughter and she knew him like a member of the family. Nobody really cared about the M16 until second amendment, gun rights and the sporting community emerged. I was in the army in the 80s. M16 popularity peaked with the unpopularity of assault weapons.
I watched a video of 3 rifles fired 300 yards once, targets were large water bottles. One was a Ruger In 726.51 and was in 308 another and the last in 5.56 AR. All three rounds destroyed the large bottle. But the two larger rounds destroyed the bottle in a similar way, but the 5.56 completely destroyed the large bottle in dramatic manner. Well beyond what the 30 calibers had done.
The "good ole boy" system has always been alive and well in the MIC. Officer's wonder why they often hear "that's NCO business Sir". You wanted backbone? If it weren't for the NCO corps, the U.S. military wouldn't have ever had any spine at all. Who says that the European system of oligarchy is dead in America ? It never was.
Stoner was a nicer man than me. That Ft. Greeley issue where he had to testify at the board, I would have made sure the board knew they were trying to sabotage the project.
I find it interesting that he never mentions L. James Sullivan. Sullivan is the one who scaled the AR-10 down to the AR-15. Also, Sullivan is credited with several design changes (charging handle and top mounted gas key). Stoner never gives credit to Sullivan, and the reason he gives for the changes is different than what Sullivan says. Check out "Forgotten Weapons" with Ian's interview with Sullivan. Sullivan gives Stoner credit where it's deserved.
ARES is the next town over... I never knew any of this... I'm a welder and in lov with firearms, weapon systems and anything Stoner.... I'm gonna look into the company perhaps I can get a job there at somepoint. THAT WOULD BE AMAZING
Very cool! The fact that the original bolt and carrier was completely hard chromed, and now the premium bolt groups are using simular NiB coatings (I even have one that is ceramic coated), makes me feel better about spending more on my NiB coated carriers and bolts! Also, the reasoning behind the rear charging handle grants the AR180 and other bolt carrier based side charging systems a little more credibility. Good stuff, thanks!
Nope, it is an internal piston.His patent even calls it a piston, not a DI..DI systems don't use a piston..The Mini 14 is more of a DI than the AR system..@@woodrowcall3158
@@hairydogstailthe gas is directly acting upon the bolt carrier to unlock and cycle the action. it can be described as both internal piston and direct impingement. it is a piston free gas system.
@@Cypress1312 The gas directly charges the internal piston..True DI systems have no pistons..There is a piston chamber, which is why there are gas rings..It is not a true DI system.. The patent even describes it as a piston system..The bolt is the piston and the carrier has the piston chamber..
@@hairydogstail “the bolt is the piston which is the part which gas directly exerts force upon by expanding” direct impingement! it’s not a conventional direct impingement system a la the earlier French direct impingement designs, but it’s still direct impingement of expanding gas upon the bolt carrier All DI systems have something acting in the place of a piston in a more traditional gas system; if stoner’s gas system isn’t DI then DI doesn’t exist whatsoever.
For those who think the AR-15 and M16/M4 are different weapons you need to go look for the guy who made the M16/M4 lol Some of you think he designed and sold AR-15's to the public first before marketing to the military. The AR-15 was strictly developed for the military not civilians and I'm not saying this because I'm anti gun, which I'm not, I'm saying because certain people in the gun community are spreading lies as if the AR-15 and M16/M4 are different, they are the same and all started off as full automatic rifles M16/M4 is just a military designation, AR-15 is the original and real name. Even with video of the man who made the rifle you will still have people saying that "they are different and the AR-15 was designed specifically for civilians, and there's no AR-15's in the military" lol Every M16, CAR-15 and M4 is an AR-15.
@@alexm566 There's no such thing as a 'civilian liter barrel' most civilian AR-15 are milspec! Original M16's came with pencil barrels and so did the Colt SP1 AR-15. There's no barrels difference between the Military M16/AR-15 and civilian accept in the Colt M16A2 Carbine know as the M4/M4A1 Carbine and that difference is the barrel length 14" for military and 16" for civilians. Even Mr. Stoner continued to refer to the M16 family of rifles as AR-15's in his video documentaries, so would you say he's wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about? You should go watch some of Iraq veteran 8888 meltdown videos on the AR-15/M16 and you'll learn some especially about how wrong your comment is. Infact most civilian AR-15 are built to take more damage them the military's M16/M4 because most higher end civilian AR-15's use much better quality parts and that's a known fact. But the M16/M4 are AR-15's just as much as an semiautomatic ak/akm to a full automatic ak/akm same gun one just has an automatic function which isn't enough to consider it a different gun, some Mustang's have V6 engines and some have 5.0's but they're still Mustang's.
@@Edmondson_Avenue I held both standard barrels and full auto ones and there was a clear difference in weight. Saying that full auto isn't enough to distinguish the two guns is quite a stretch considering there's a felony difference between owning one with or without full auto. I am not disputing the origin and the principle of the design was for the military but so were nearly all firearma throughout history even ones we think of as quite wimpy by today's standards. Can you name any popular gun or caliber that didn't start as a military weapon?!
@@alexm566 OK let's get to it, milspec barrels are no heavier than civilian barrels it's the grade of steel that's used, milspec barrels are 4150 CMV, Civilian barrels are 4140 CMV there no big difference, in fact most civilian AR-15's used 4150 CMV steel barrels, the M16 barrel profile was originally a pencil barrel profile then later beefed up to a government barrel profile with the M16A2 for the use of 5.56x45mm NATO M855 62gr bullets. You asked for me "can I name any gun or caliber that didn't start as a military weapon" Bren 10, 10mm Auto Cmmg Mutant .350 Legend .400 Legend .460 Rowland Ruger RedHawk Alaskan chambered .454 Casull S&W .500 .300 Winchester Magnum .338 Lapua Magnum .22 time .357 S&W Magnum .350 SiG Hi points firearms etc.
That is forever going to be my quote to remember Eugene stoner for the current AR-15 and modern rifles what started it all "A hobby that got outta hand"
He certainly gave me a nice hobby as well!
I like to look at it as an affliction
How can you improve perfection. It's still better than any other option. There is no better weapon.
Pretty legit gun guy thing to say.
I just want to point out the persistence of Eugene Stoner when Sabotaged by Competitors, Doubters, and Willfully Negligent Users. Truly inspiring.
US government was and still is thoroughly corrupt. Let's Go Brandon!
So much BS with the poor quality powder, unchromed bores, unnecessary forward assist. I wonder how dominant the rifle would be if he didn't have to deal with such nonsense.
Perseverance!!
It’s good to get this interview on as many channels as possible on TH-cam
49:20 “Is this a problem, generally, in military testing, that, if you can’t meet the requirement, you change the requirement?”
Exactly what the military is doing with recruiting.
Stoner was always a 20" man...
M16A4 UNION CHECKING IN 🇺🇸
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A1 Man here!
C7A2 man here! We Canucks still use 20 inch rifle barrels on ours!
A2 fanatic here!
A1’s, A2’s...and A3’s
who ever would have thought the military industrial complex would be so toxic, if only someone had warned us.
:D
I seem to recall that someone, somewhere, did try to warn us. I can't recall who or where, but I think it was a long time ago, so it was probably not anyone worth listening to.
Eisenhower
Eisenhower in his farewell address, 1961, warned us about the " military industrial complex ".
Smedley Butler warned us all in his book War is a Racket. If you haven't yet read it, you should.
A modern day John Browning.
I just got done watching the sit down between Kalashnikov and Stoner. This is a welcome surprise
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😲 where's that at?
@@warrenharrison9490 th-cam.com/video/NQd2enb6qBE/w-d-xo.html
Such a great piece of US Military history!!!
This is a video I'll never forget!!!
Thanks so much for sharing this interview!!
Has anyone else noticed that the endurance of the AR-15 as such a successful design was likely the result of all the times the Army tried to screw Eugene and his team over? Each time they made his job harder he refined his design just a little more. Through this evolution it became inevitable that it would win out.
Yea it def stood the test of time, but honestly it's original design was just as good minus the thin barrel and bakelite plastics. It was reliable and extremely functional. You could argue the original was better due to it's weight, but maybe slightly less durable.
As an aviation fan, and hearing this interview, wasn’t Fairchild originally an Aircraft company?
Never mind, yep
..yes, in a word
I'm sure they're related but there was also Fairchild Semiconductor(my mother worked there) in the bay area. They went on to become Intel, I believe.
They built the A-10 Warthogs.
@@Sman7290 yes! Thank you!
This story would make a good movie
The Russians made a movie about Kalashnikov. Maybe we can talk them into doing one about Stoner too, seeing as Hollywood would never do it.
It would
It's one of my favorite stories. It definitely should be a movie. The AR15 is so politicized now. It would be good for the masses to know how it originally came about instead of CNN telling them it was created in hitlers bunker or whatever.
Thanks to Curtis Le May, The US had a fenomenal rifle that none of the old military politicians wanted.
❤️ Who doesn’t love the history of iconic American Weapon companies! Thanks for showing us this.
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever watched in my entire life I love this guy no wonder I love his firearms so much. He is the man GOAT
Eugene stoner was my neighbor and don't forget about Bob Bihun, his partner, his neighbour and his friend.
@tomheineman4369 you are one lucky man, i can tell you that. I would have loved to know him. he looks like a great man.
@@yass5889 I didn't know him but we knew that there was an M16 guy that lived somewhere around.
I went to school with his God daughter and she knew him like a member of the family. Nobody really cared about the M16 until second amendment, gun rights and the sporting community emerged. I was in the army in the 80s. M16 popularity peaked with the unpopularity of assault weapons.
Mike, thank you for posting this. I've wanted something like this where Mr. Stoner described the process of the AR development.
Great find right there! What a genius he was! Thanks Mrgunsngear B Channel!
I'll be waiting for , Part 2.
I watched a video of 3 rifles fired 300 yards once, targets were large water bottles. One was a Ruger In 726.51 and was in 308 another and the last in 5.56 AR. All three rounds destroyed the large bottle. But the two larger rounds destroyed the bottle in a similar way, but the 5.56 completely destroyed the large bottle in dramatic manner. Well beyond what the 30 calibers had done.
Funny enough, I joined the CG in 2002, and our MoA pieces were M-1s.
13+lbs with a De-Milled, lead filled barrel… I still want one
It can't be the same people now, but they've circled back to the 6mm. These are wonderful interviews.
This was great to watch. Goes very well with Larry Vickers AR15 Guides . Especially signed.
22:14 project SALVO…. I love Ian’s reports about it.
Next up the sit down with Mr. Kalashnikov
It’s in here, but a hard watch if you dont speak Russian
Such an awesome interview thanks for sharing
Thanks for uploading this! Great info here.
Thank you
This is great! Thanks Mike
The "good ole boy" system has always been alive and well in the MIC.
Officer's wonder why they often hear "that's NCO business Sir".
You wanted backbone?
If it weren't for the NCO corps, the U.S. military wouldn't have ever had any spine at all.
Who says that the European system of oligarchy is dead in America ? It never was.
My number #1 video on TH-cam
Thank you Mike for sharing this
April 19, 1988.. Eugene was a real Stoner I see
Very interesting thank you
Lets not forget Jim Sullivan
Another legend
Why wasn't Jim asked to shrink the Johnson?
Awesome notable history. Thanks Mike for pushing this out!
Stoner was a nicer man than me. That Ft. Greeley issue where he had to testify at the board, I would have made sure the board knew they were trying to sabotage the project.
The games played with the FN FAL were classic NIH by Army Ordinance.
I’m going to have to search out to find that story.
@@Fraederichs My source was Edward Ezell, but I forget the title of the book.
Thank you!
Love these stoner interviews. Thanks for posting them
Ar10 is where i started too . Didnt get an ar15 for like 3 yrs. Now i have several of each
If this is part one would love to watch the rest of it!
So even that far back Powells integrity was in question!
Epic, thank you sir
Thanks. That's a great video.
Excellent
42:31 says all you need…
I find it interesting that he never mentions L. James Sullivan. Sullivan is the one who scaled the AR-10 down to the AR-15. Also, Sullivan is credited with several design changes (charging handle and top mounted gas key). Stoner never gives credit to Sullivan, and the reason he gives for the changes is different than what Sullivan says. Check out "Forgotten Weapons" with Ian's interview with Sullivan. Sullivan gives Stoner credit where it's deserved.
ARES is the next town over... I never knew any of this... I'm a welder and in lov with firearms, weapon systems and anything Stoner.... I'm gonna look into the company perhaps I can get a job there at somepoint. THAT WOULD BE AMAZING
Nice looking rifle.
What a Stud 👍
Hell yeah
Very cool! The fact that the original bolt and carrier was completely hard chromed, and now the premium bolt groups are using simular NiB coatings (I even have one that is ceramic coated), makes me feel better about spending more on my NiB coated carriers and bolts! Also, the reasoning behind the rear charging handle grants the AR180 and other bolt carrier based side charging systems a little more credibility. Good stuff, thanks!
49:21
Change the rules to fit your desires… sound familiar?
I’m looking for a video clip of Eugene Stoner saying the AR15 was for civilians. I can’t find it, anyone know where it is
Yup, the AR-15 is an internal piston and not a DI system..
It is a Direct Impingement Piston.
Nope, it is an internal piston.His patent even calls it a piston, not a DI..DI systems don't use a piston..The Mini 14 is more of a DI than the AR system..@@woodrowcall3158
@@hairydogstailthe gas is directly acting upon the bolt carrier to unlock and cycle the action. it can be described as both internal piston and direct impingement. it is a piston free gas system.
@@Cypress1312 The gas directly charges the internal piston..True DI systems have no pistons..There is a piston chamber, which is why there are gas rings..It is not a true DI system.. The patent even describes it as a piston system..The bolt is the piston and the carrier has the piston chamber..
@@hairydogstail “the bolt is the piston which is the part which gas directly exerts force upon by expanding”
direct impingement!
it’s not a conventional direct impingement system a la the earlier French direct impingement designs, but it’s still direct impingement of expanding gas upon the bolt carrier
All DI systems have something acting in the place of a piston in a more traditional gas system; if stoner’s gas system isn’t DI then DI doesn’t exist whatsoever.
Anyone here knows whether a barrel extension like in the AR was used before?
Thanks.
It is a close copy of the 1941 Johnson rifle and LMG, with a separate barrel extension used to set headspace, including the multilug bolt head.
@@tomhalla426 earlier in Schlegelmilch rifle and Fosbery shotgun. Fosbery shotgun also have very similar multiple lug bolt.
AR > everything else. Change my mind.
Genius
Funny enough, as a SCUBA diver, 7075 aluminum is a bomb, yet 6061 is ok
New book called "Misfire". I hear it is go.
cant believe they screwed him over like this....glad he came out on top at the end.
The drip matters
Someone in the highest place in the armed forces is doing the same with the selection of m17 and m18.
Nah, Sig has that procurement slide well lubed.
he didn't invent the firearm he perfected it
He did invent it actually
@@BaconSlayer69 i ment the gun itself the AR is the best firearm
Stop huffing paint.
what?????? tf are you talking about @@hansblitz7770
6lb fully loaded, yeah, that's always a nice thing, and they aimed to do that with a 20".
Full auto AR10 YEAH BUDDY
Sounds like @markserbu
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Military and commercial/civilian application 😏
All hail stoner 🙌 the father of the most popular modern sporting rifle in America.
Holy Toledo that first draft of the Ar was a complete disaster!
For those who think the AR-15 and M16/M4 are different weapons you need to go look for the guy who made the M16/M4 lol
Some of you think he designed and sold AR-15's to the public first before marketing to the military.
The AR-15 was strictly developed for the military not civilians and I'm not saying this because I'm anti gun, which I'm not, I'm saying because certain people in the gun community are spreading lies as if the AR-15 and M16/M4 are different, they are the same and all started off as full automatic rifles M16/M4 is just a military designation, AR-15 is the original and real name.
Even with video of the man who made the rifle you will still have people saying that "they are different and the AR-15 was designed specifically for civilians, and there's no AR-15's in the military" lol Every M16, CAR-15 and M4 is an AR-15.
when you remove the full auto capability and use a civilian liter barrel that heats up much faster, it's no longer the same gun.
@@alexm566 There's no such thing as a 'civilian liter barrel' most civilian AR-15 are milspec! Original M16's came with pencil barrels and so did the Colt SP1 AR-15.
There's no barrels difference between the Military M16/AR-15 and civilian accept in the Colt M16A2 Carbine know as the M4/M4A1 Carbine and that difference is the barrel length 14" for military and 16" for civilians.
Even Mr. Stoner continued to refer to the M16 family of rifles as AR-15's in his video documentaries, so would you say he's wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about?
You should go watch some of Iraq veteran 8888 meltdown videos on the AR-15/M16 and you'll learn some especially about how wrong your comment is.
Infact most civilian AR-15 are built to take more damage them the military's M16/M4 because most higher end civilian AR-15's use much better quality parts and that's a known fact.
But the M16/M4 are AR-15's just as much as an semiautomatic ak/akm to a full automatic ak/akm same gun one just has an automatic function which isn't enough to consider it a different gun, some Mustang's have V6 engines and some have 5.0's but they're still Mustang's.
@@Edmondson_Avenue I held both standard barrels and full auto ones and there was a clear difference in weight. Saying that full auto isn't enough to distinguish the two guns is quite a stretch considering there's a felony difference between owning one with or without full auto.
I am not disputing the origin and the principle of the design was for the military but so were nearly all firearma throughout history even ones we think of as quite wimpy by today's standards. Can you name any popular gun or caliber that didn't start as a military weapon?!
@@alexm566 OK let's get to it, milspec barrels are no heavier than civilian barrels it's the grade of steel that's used, milspec barrels are 4150 CMV, Civilian barrels are 4140 CMV there no big difference, in fact most civilian AR-15's used 4150 CMV steel barrels, the M16 barrel profile was originally a pencil barrel profile then later beefed up to a government barrel profile with the M16A2 for the use of 5.56x45mm NATO M855 62gr bullets.
You asked for me "can I name any gun or caliber that didn't start as a military weapon"
Bren 10, 10mm Auto
Cmmg Mutant
.350 Legend
.400 Legend
.460 Rowland
Ruger RedHawk Alaskan chambered .454 Casull
S&W .500
.300 Winchester Magnum
.338 Lapua Magnum
.22 time
.357 S&W Magnum
.350 SiG
Hi points firearms etc.
@@Edmondson_Avenue and are all of these any less dangerous or unusual than the AR platform and other civilian available firearms?
M16 never won a war... Think about it... Original AR10 is superior.