Reaction: Testing Day 1 2024 | Is the 2024 Over Already? | The Shakedown #66
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- We discuss Bahrain testing day 1 and ask whether Red Bull are so dominant that the season could be over before it even begins?!
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The "spirit of the regulations" have nothing to do with entertainment, if Red Bull nailed it, that's it, they nailed it. Everyone tries, not all succeed.
Yeh not really a problem with the the Red Bull. More the Mercedes front wing which will harm the ability of the following car to follow.
RBR have just done a good job and everyone else messed up
Unbelievable Cam, on one hand you defend the Mercedes front wing (which I don't have a problem with if it complies with the regs). Yet on the other hand you want to punish Red Bull after day 1of testing. Red Bull (as Shez said) have nailed the regs, no DAS trickery or Active Suspension or something that no other team has. If you don't like it maybe you should go watch a spec category. I guarantee you wouldn't be saying this if Mercedes were there dominant team for the past 2years. Your bias is incredible
Max didn't understand the team memo, instead of sandbagging, he went teabagging the whole grid! 😂
Watching Brit fans melt 😍
Get a life? It's really odd seeing people be so combative and salty about something that's supposed to be fun and entertaining.
@@notaspeck6104I love how you get offended by every single comment
@notaspeck6104 really? Brits are the most toxic fans in the sport, and I just enjoy watching it go south for them. Makes the season much more bearable. Not all of them are like that, but 90%.
Somehow this whole thing about Brits only caring about Mercedes is just a bit silly. Mercedes is a German company while the truly British teams are Mclaren (well created by a New Zealander), Aston Martin and Williams. And yet Mercedes is the most glorified British team. I understand the power of the fascination generated by 7 championships won by LH but I don't see the Brits sticking with Bayern Munich if they have Brits in the team. And the argument that Mercedes is in Silverstone equals Red Bull in Milton Keys. In that respect they are both very British. So....
I'll respect any Brit who will stick with real British teams or/and British drivers other than LH. It's very easy to just stick with the champion who dominated for 7 years. Ouch, seven years. God how long that period of boredom lasted!
@@BogdanZarnescu because of a superior PU to the rest of the grid
Seeing the Brits in total panic mode is fun to watch on the first testing day haha.
Proper meltdown. You see how Hamilton asking for the FIA to change the rules since 2022 worked? The hypocrisy...
Dude that just shows how shallow you are
@@anoopbains1257 Frl like what is wrong with these people, there's so much spite and for what lmao
😂
@@anoopbains1257 Relex mate, it`s the first day of testing. Everything is possible. But to ask the FIA to step in and punish RBR is crazy.
Funeral sounds for the Lewis boys
Nah. Tip of the hat to RedBull. At this point Newey has earned the respect due, and RB is a top notch org. He and his crew are genius, and Max is a very good driver. I DO believe they've had massive benefits along the way. I always say, either catch up or shut up, and right now, there isn't much to say 😂😂😂
Stop being a weird troll.
@@notaspeck6104I love how you get offended by every single comment
@@notaspeck6104 We got trolled for 6 year this only the beginning Max going to win 10 championships God himself made Max the ultimate racer.
Def Con five is the lowest state of alert rating Cam. Def Con 1 is when the nuclear warheads are already flying over our heads
What Horner said tot Toto "fix your fucking car". Toto couldnt so Horner fixed the car himself😂😂
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I don’t really like giving my opinion on social media but this coming a guy that has watched and love all types of Motorsports since I was old enough to walk. There is always going to be the one team that will win for a few years. This is a sport at the end of the day and these things happen in sports for those new to it. It tries to be as entertaining as possible but it’s a sport nonetheless. That’s what a sport is. It’s entertaining as possible but it’s not going to fulfill your desires every moment everyday. Just tune in watch and enjoy something about this sport that these drivers give you the pleasure of enjoying. I’m a big max fan but even if he’s not dominating I’m still gonna tune in because I love Motorsports. I’m just here to ask that everyone just try and do the same regardless of personal feelings. Cam, I hope you and the guys had a great day!
Yeah I really don't understand why f1 fans are so toxic. Like it's about the car AND the driver. To me it's actually a really cool sport, that demonstrates the symbiosis of humanity and technology and what we can do when a whole team works towards a singular goal. That's not to say there aren't downsides to it (there is with everything). Like of course we'd all prefer more close competition, but that's not the fault of any driver or team (it's the FIA's incompetence). Looking back on Hamilton's Merc dominant years is actually really cool now, and in a few years I'm sure I'll feel the same about Max and RB. Time really provides perspective.
Where was all the moaning and "defcon 5" talk when Merc were spending years destroying the field race after race, the races and seasons were pre-determined? So party mode was okay because it was Mercedes...?
Cam, I'd love to see you pitch the idea of the FIA "doing something" to slow down RBR to Peter Windsor. In fact, I dare you to do so in your next chat.
Trust me, if Lewis was in that RB instead of Max, he wouldn't complain at all. Cam is a nice guy, but sometimes he's got some very biased takes. And he is not doing it for the views, he is a true Lewis fan, but he tries as much as possible to be objective 😂.
Agreed, he tries hard. 😂
@@slopat2503 it's very difficult. Even Peter Windsor shows bias, he really doesn't like Alonso for example and he is a big Lewis fan, he is not even hiding it but he knows how F1 works, he wouldn't agree with a reg change.
@@madalinbpopa Oh, agreed mate, we all have bias (sorry unsure what the plural is, 2nd language...). I certainly have mine. But despite for example, my being tired of seeing the Chiefs win the SB I don't hope for a rule change to neuter them. It did make it easier to watch with Taylor Swift was to support them,. 😉
@@slopat2503 I totally get that. I dont mind the Chiefs winning it either as long as I can watch Mahomes put in a masterclass performance in a Superbowl, I respect that. It should be the same with Max and RB as well in F1. Not a Taylor Swift fan though 😂
I need Chazzard HD to be Chazzard HD when he’s on the Shakedown! Bring that big voice and personality to the pod next episode please. Great show fellas
All conversations around the current regs talk to red bull being dominant and trying to pull them back, and as a mega fan of the sport of course I want to see another 2021 title fight even though I am a Max V fan (for what it’s worth I also love Lewis). However, there doesn’t ever seem to be any appreciation or acknowledgement that this car is dominant in Max’s hand only - had Perez been the driver last year alongside another Perez, we would have seen a really exciting championship. I think what we’re really seeing is one of the greatest drivers of all time (whether you love him or hate him) in the prime of his career destroying the field with devastating consistency.
I think regs that pull back the winning team would be unsportsmanlike and where was this attitude when Lewis was destroying the field for 7 years.
The other teams need to step up, or the fans need to be educated to the other exciting story lines as all sport is cyclical and there has always been in f1, periods of dominance.
Baxty is "reserving judgement" about the Red Bull while nervously wringing his hands.
I'm reserving judgement on all cars. Red Bull definitely look the fastest, but Charles has put in a decent lap this morning
F1 history in the making. Redbull/max extreme 💯🔥
If RB did nail it then next year other teams will follow for 2025 and it may not be awful. NOW for those who think the season will be long.. go watch Sex and the city with Zack Brown!
Merc needed to be reeled in in their dominance because of their engine, which they had a 2 year headstart on. RB aere just doing a better job than the whole grid with an engine thats been freezed for 2 years. Chezz is very right here! Respect!
F1 always has been about era's and dynasties, if it doesn't please the Drive to Survive crowd let them go back to Nascar...
95% of the people that say they will NOT be watching Formula 1 anymore, ARE going to continue to watch Formula 1. For every 10 people that stop watching, there are 100 new fans subscribing and tuning in. Every single year, Formula 1 has more and more fans. The numbers have yet to go down, only up. To all of you that said you will not be watching anymore and still here you are 2 years later still crying and complaining and saying that you will not watch anymore, please, actually stop watching and stop coming in the comments saying the same thing over and over again, because THAT is boring, YOU are boring...
Happy 2024! :)
1) get rid of the cost cap
2) get rid of the tunnel limits
They didn’t do what was intended
Then the only difference we will see will be the field spreading further apart again.
At that point it just becomes a matter of who is outspending who.
What they should do is introduce a sliding scale in the cost cap as they do with the wind tunnel time.
Plus we don't even know if RB is actually the fastest car, sure looks like it but testing says nothing look at the famous mercedes sandbagging of a couple years ago.
One thing the cost cap surely did was close up the field, the gap between the RB and the slowest car is a lot smaller than it used to be.
@@Minifliek I really don't care who is outspending who. I also don't care that the car in 18th is closer to the car in 16th. If you can afford to be in formula 1 there are billion dollar companies waiting to get in.
Of course it works. You want Red Bull to have 30% more windtunnel time?
@@AnthonyCarrierTH-cam its not just between 16th and 18th though is it?
The gap between 1st and 20th is smaller than the gap between 1st and 6th in the previous regulations.
@@mark4motion68as long as every one gets it sure.
God yes Cam. If you can't beat them, get the FIA to beat them. 😔
Today's time is comparable to a P11 from last year. Everyone can go faster, but we're not sure how fast or when they'll hit their limit. So, it doesn't mean much for now.
All I have to say is the FIA got what they wanted when they went to the ground effect era, they brought back regulations that no engineer was on the grid when implemented except one. Now it shows more than ever after two years.
That is a VERY good point.
There are a lot of engineers still around from that era, just the mainstream doesn't speak about them like they do Adrian Newey
@@Lewythefly if proper research was done this statement would not have been made.
@@unklesuga1644 yeah OK. The whole rule set was designed to reduce the dirty air behind the cars to get closer racing. Despite red bull nailing it and being leaders the pack is closer than ever. You need to do more research I think. This is not a spec series like Formula Ford. This is f1 the pinnacle of racing innovation and Red Bull have just done better and RB20 is evidence of their bold approach to winning.
Season is over... well done Redbull
Well I got a solution, make the engineers stars ✨, look the drivers is nice and all I agree but the the inventors need to be in the shine light …. You will see what happens then
I'm pretty sure everyone knows the genius that is behind that RB.
F1 has always been about the engineers over the drivers.
It is testing. What are you going on about. The standard for testing is set but let's wait for these three days to be over. If Checo is able to set the same pace as Max than you can start to worry.
For your sakes though I hope Mercedes stepped up their game because Max is not playing.
Come Cameron!!! How high is the percentage of people leaving cause of Redbull domination?? As far as I know, every major capital wants to have a GP in their city.. and that means that F1 is as popular as ever. Why change the regulations?? Let them catch Redbull and if they don't 2026 they'll start all over again. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Chez is spot on.. 😅😅
its going to be an extremely entertaining season to see if max can win all the races
At least the RedBull doesn't have a party button like the Mercedes had for years. And no Brits complaining then...
Is Max going to win them all this year?
I think he might well...........
@@CamLive. I’d give Newey a stake in the team to get him. Then I’d give Hannah Schmidt all the $$ I had left.
@@CamLive. I wonder what's possible Cam. Last year Max and Red Bull finished every race and Max was perfection personified. Can Red Bull do it again? That's the question. I think Max has erased all doubt about who and what he is. Do you think Red Bull can keep the car on the track like it did last year?
F1 History in the making. Redbull/max extreme sport 💯🔥
2014-2021: Multiple reg changes every year including mid-year changes.
2022: Ground effect era begins.
2023: Minor reg tweak to reduce bouncing.
2024: Hey everyone! We’ve added a scoop for cooling!
What changes are you dreaming of mate? Mercedes had the huge engine advantage since 2014, no one touched them until 2017 when they took out the engine token system and teams could actually work on their power units. No big rule change until 2021 with the rake, and 2022 when ground effect came into play, stop dreaming.
Sheesh, I just stated some facts. I didn’t say I wanted any changes. You came in here pretty fast projecting something onto me that I never said. What are you on about right now?
@@wharris123184 what facts? The TD39 from 2022 ( which was also the result of Merc crying for half a season) was bigger than any changes you mentioned in between 2014-2016. And the gap between Mercedes and the rest during that time was far bigger than what RB had the past 2 years. I have never seen a car 2-3 seconds per lap faster than the rest like the Mercedes was at Bahrain 2014. And Paddy Lowe stated that they were limiting their engine power so that they wouldnt embarass the whole grid and the FIA would change the rulebook. So change the narrative cause this ain't it.
which "multiple reg changes every year" did they make in the 2014-2021 era?
@@LodewijkVrije probably he's talking about the multiple engine modes that Mercedes were using so that the FIA wouldn't change the rules. That must be it!
The amazing thing- why is Cam and company surprised? A team is made up of people. This team has the most talent across all operational areas. Why does the result surprise anyone?
Because like most Mercedes/Lewis fans they think that Mercedes are pre-ordained to win every championship. I can't believe the arrogance of the Mercedes fans and themselves when that effectively had the second best car last year it was like that were running dead last.
Max is winning #4, I just hope he needs the full 23 races to do it this time.
Best car best driver bye season.
Nah nah mate, no one changed any rules when your boy was winning. Just take it on the chin and wait for 2026 like everyone else did 2014-2021. Don't wanna hear any of this "save the fanbase" BS, F1 lost a lot of fans before and no one cared.
Did they lose fans during the Merc years? No, the sport grew because DTS happened and the action was exciting with Ferrari and then Red Bull fighting. 2017 was a massive rule change designed to close the gap. Which Ferrari did, but they couldnt get the job done.
@@baxtybf1 I really havent started watching F1 yesterday baxty 😂 the sport did lose a lot of fans during Merc dominance, it's a well known fact, ask Cam, I believe he made a video about this with ratings and all that. DTS brought some of the old fans back and also new ones during the pandemic, not before that. I personally stopped watching the races in 2014, maybe just the highlights from time to time, I was already kind of fed up after 2013, got busy with other stuff as well and only came back to watching every race during Covid due to DTS mostly, 2021 was when the hype started again. Same goes for a lot of my friends as well. The sport was kind of " dead" before that.
2017 was not that massive of a rule change, they've just got rid of the engine token system so teams could actually develop their power units but Mercedes still had their engine advantage over the others, coupled with the fact that they were running their engine modes accordingly and Ferrari got closer it made it look more competitive, but Merc was still in complete control. In 2017 & 2018 Mercedes had a total of 23 wins while Ferrari had 11 with the odd RB win. Only in 2022 we had a massive rule change, before that only a few tweaks here and there.
Sure, now the numbers suggest a massive RB domimance, but this is in an era with a budget cap where they have the best engineer of all time working his magic and arguably one of the best drivers of all time in the form of his life but there's no mechanical, no engine advantage, nothing related to RB spending more money than the others or whatever. It's just brains, talent and excellent team work combined with other teams like Mercedes or Ferrari not being able to compete because they've messed up. 2022 started with Ferrari having the best car on the grid but they couldn't build on that while Mercedes lost a lot of important staff and stuck to a dead concept for 2 years. I mean, dead for them cause RB apparently can make it work. And before you start telling me that Merc dominance was not due to their engine massive superiority, why is Allison not building any more race or title winning cars?
34:15 Err no, Redbull did do something wrong, which was to breach the costcap. This is the fruits of their advantage. FIA gave them a slap on the wrist.
As time goes on, this comment becomes less true. For sure, RB gained something, but they couldn't have accounted for the other teams getting it as badly wrong as they did.
@@baxtybf1 It's very unlikely all the teams got it wrong. The only outlier is Redbull, it's a case of Redbull getting results which were beyond possible under the rules. Had Redbull followed the rules, their performance would have been similar to the other teams. Their advantage is unlikely to diminish with time under the same regulations, it carries on until the regs change.
@@manz7277 Humbly disagree
Gents, why would the FIA do anything, FOM and Liberty have embarassed them for the last 12 months. Better solve the feud Liberty and FOM.
I am with cameron
RB or VCARB = Racing Point 2020 Pink Mercedes
We need Lewis to win every race instead don't we Cameron
Cam, you speak of reading body language. Mercedes, Williams and Haas did not have encouraging language.
Newey is aggressive because he is desperate & he hit a development ceiling. Mercedes is was on part close to RB in race pace. Remove the cost cap progressively for every team.
Max was banging 1,36 while Mercedes was at 1,38😂😂 it's going to be a boring season again
@@Brandon-yk6st 1,36?
im pretty sure the fastest lap today was 1,31.3
1.5 seconds faster then the fastest lap last year on test day 1.
That's not desperation it's being smart, they just built on from what they already had.
Don't know if you've been watching F1 the past couple years but the Mercedes was not close to the RB pace at all.
@LodewijkVrije he is talking about long run pace times.
@@LodewijkVrije high fuel runs
Yes of course, it's the RedBull again. As long as it isn't Max hein? You jealous Brits😆
Sweet lord get a life.
@@notaspeck6104I love how you get offended by every single comment
Cam, Lewis at Ferrari - don’t hold your breath. Max will be untouchable by that time, would have developed to a level way beyond Lewis at his best.
Why so much hate? You can call Max a great driver without dunking on another great driver. You know the truth? They're two excellent drivers and we can't compare them unless they raced the same car for a few seasons. Never understood why f1 'fans' compare drivers, not only is it nonsensical but is not part of the sport and the vitriolic troll comments really show where people's hearts are (not the sport). And Lewis went to Ferrari probably in part to enjoy his last years in the sport, maybe people like you can take a page out of that book and stop being trolls and enjoy life.
. No hate mate. Just a statement of fact. Cam is a Lewis fan i was reacting to what he said. I've been racing for 15 yrs, following F1 for 45 years. I can see things in how drivers drive that you cant see. I take pleasure in predicting outcomes in F1. Good on Lewis for going to Ferrari, I see it as a money play on both entities ends. Lewis is a fantastic driver, but not a GOAT. In fact, 10 days ago I met a Mercedes F1 team member who told me Mercedes had 100+ HP on every other team at start of hybrid era. Lewis was very fortunate to have enjoyed that advantage through 2021.
@@notaspeck6104I love how you get offended by every single comment
Christian Horner. Hope he survive the travails and trials of a whiny complaining millennial.
longrun pace 1 sec faster then anybody on 2 compounds alpine was 2.5 secs slower a lap thats all you need to know!!!!
difficult shez trying to make a point when their aint any you look silly mister merc!!!
lewis could have done what max did being so dominant but every once in a while he wasnt their had a bad weekend hes f@#king lazy to good to go in the sim cos hes at the new york fashion week thats why he will never be champ again lacks dedication!!