I'm willing to wait for a while to ensure the story (and how mutants are inevitably explained into the MCU) is properly prepared. Kamala & 838 Xavier were great sneak peaks towards what is to come. But Kamala possibly being a mutant brings into question "are they already in the MCU, just dormant?" That's not a bad thing or anything, but it goes against many of the theories surrounding how the MCU will introduce mutants.
Doing the phoenix saga straight away is the same mistake they already made, it needs to be earned we need to be super familiar with Jean and the team before this happens. It could be in the next phase. There are already so many great stories in the X-Men canon, no need to rush. I agree that they could make the mutant stuff a whole phase but through a series of movies and TV shows.
I agree. Phase 7 should be based around more street-level villains like Mystique, Juggernaut, and the Brotherhood, then do more powerful villains like Magneto and Mister Sinister for Phase 8, THEN in Phase 9 you can go all out with Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. Really hoping we finally get a good live action movie with those two. Though I do hope if Kang appears as Rama-Tut that they plant the seeds for Apocalypse since Kang is actually central to Apocalypse's backstory in the comics.
I'm looking forward to all the shows on Disney+. I'm sure characters like Gambit and Rogue won't get their own movies, but a bunch of 8 part mini-series will be a great way flesh out a ton of mutant stories.
My opinion is that through these mini-series they should show the life of Gambit and Rogue mainly with Rogue not knowing how to deal with his powers and Gambit with his criminal side, in the end they reach Xavier school and join the X-Men
i think they should do an x-men movie at the middle of a phase, and then an avengers movie at the end that unites every other team into one big adventure, following what the previous x-men story left on. i think this is the only way in which general audiences can get into the story while also doing what screencrush proposes on this video.
How about if we're doing the Dark Phoenix we focus on the REAL reason the Phoenix went mad in that comic; because throughout there attempts Fox has only done ONE thing, Point and Yell "She Powerful, Thats COOL!", when the real compelling story is the fact that it wasnt Jean that went mad with power, but the Phoenix was corrupted by Jeans emotions, it hadnt experienced Joy and Rage before her and it wanted to experience these feelings. But nope in the movies its just FIRE BIRD GO BRRRR
This would be terrific. Told over multiple movies. The problem with the Phoenix saga is they keep trying to do it in one movie. It needs time to breathe
Phase 10-12 The Universe Saga Where humans and mutants come together to defeat all the cosmic entities resetting a singular universe at the cost of super human abilities. Creating reality itself and marvel comics as the pocket dimension where super abilities and mutants were real.
@@C-Murph so, then why is there nothing mutant related anounced for phase 5, of course theyre holding back something, but not if it is released next year (besides sideroles/cameos of course)
@@bartvanesseveldt9751 He didn't mean that Mutants will be in phase 5-6, but that they should have 5 or 6 phases worth of movies/shows (phase 7-12 for example).
The problem I’ve always had with Fox trying to do the Dark Phoenix saga is they try to rush it all into one film. That needs to be built up. The other issue is that Jean Grey in those films is not likable. They need to make Jean on the stasis of Wanda where mostly everyone loves her. Though unlike Multiverse of Madness take time in corrupting Jean through various projects.
Dark Phoenix was originally two 3 hour movies. The first movie was made and due to be released but then all of a sudden it kept getting delayed and going through reshoots! This was because Disney had begun to try and buy fox behind the scenes and forced FOX to condense it down to a single movie and delay it till after the Captain Marvel movie had been released! This was because they wanted CM to be the first female led movie! Disney sabotaged the Dark Phoenix movie!
It makes no sense to me how Fox decided Charles, Wolverine, Magneto and Mystique should be the main characters of the movies, sidelining almost every other X-Men character. The X-Men's success were always their team aspect.
OMG yes. Cyclops got screwed over by Fox. He's supposed to be a strong, confident leader who can function without his girlfriend. Worst scene is still Scott at the lake, apparently incapacitated by Jean's death... and then he dies.
Totally love your idea about Cyclops taking the lead as it should be. Great ideas for the X-men phases. It does suck doing but Pheonix saga / Apocalypse again but as you said, they are great stores. Age of Apocalypse story line would be a great side movie too once X-men are established .
Totally agree with you that a "Dark Phoenix Saga" is utterly empty without a Heroic Phoenix Saga to *prove* that this kind of power *can* be used for good, which both deepens the tragedy of Jean's demise -- and yet, since this timeline has completely jumped off the rails, might also allow for a satisfying subversion that allows Jean to live in symbiosis with the Phoenix, and not succumb to the doom of her other variants. I mean, we've seen this story so many times before - why not challenge this "predetermined story arc" when the Sacred Timeline's already been shattered to bits?
When you said the dark Phoenix story I initially thought "please no". You have changed my mind. The interweaving of all of the story arcs sounds wonderful. Have real meaning to the story other than here's another bad guy to beat up. Very well done.
Yes!! And I can’t wait for Rogue’s story to be properly told. She was underused with Fox leading the way. Here’s hoping she’ll appear in The Marvels 🤞🏻
I think the hardest part of X-Men is there is enough content for their own version of the MCU. So if we are talking fan fiction and fan wish fulfillment, I want them to have their own Cinematic Universe in a way. Basically Marvel would have to double their movie output and give half their TV shows to Mutants. Then connect the two movie series occasionally. So you don't have to watch both movie series to follow the entire marvel universe unless you want to. There would still be big X-Men vs Avengers type of cross overs, but they wouldn't be dependent on knowledge from previous movies, just references. Like how the first two Avengers movies didn't require you to have watched any of the previous movies, it just helps
@@danielcancel2901 what important plot details were there in Phase 1 that were not explained in Avengers 1? What important plot details were there in Phase 2 that were not explained in Age of Ultron? Those stories are pretty much self contained. There are small things, like Cap's history with the tesseract in Avengers 1, but that isn't really relevant to the plot. In Age of Ultron you might wonder where Shield is, but beyond that everything else was self contained.
I like this, this would be an awesome Mutant Saga. The only thing I would change is the inclusion of eternals and midnight sons, maybe even hints of inhumans. I would really like more eternals to be included in the mcu and see mutants as a threat or a devient gene. Forcing them to take action, especially with Jean hosting the phoenix force. This then will create three fractions, mutants vs avengers vs eternals. And maybe midnight sons. All these fraction will have there one agendas and purpose, creating another civil war. Once the mutants saga comes to an end, inhumans can them come out of the shadows and calming to be a better evolution of mutants. Perhaps created my celestials
A lot of this is great, but it lacks a huge role for 1 of the best characters ever in Magneto. Hopefully, he has a great arc and maybe even tie in Wanda and her brother somehow like the comics.
I love that you want to focus more on Cyclops. He has been one of my favorite X-Men for a long time and you are right: Fox just doesn't do him justice. He's defeated the Purifiers, Norman Osborne, Bastion, an Invasion of Skrulls, The Sapien League and others through superior tactics and leadership. Per Fury, the less time Scott has to make a decision, the more correct that decision is. This makes him one of the best leaders in Marvel. Do I need to mention that he is irresistible to telepaths? They can't stay away from him.
I agree with that, dedicate and entire saga to The X-Men. They have so many great and compelling stories they deserve their own saga honestly. However, I'd still like them to start laying the groundwork for their inevitable appearance *Now* 🤔
I think this will be more likely the Thunderbolts vs the X-men. They could throw in a new Avengers team, FF, and Young Avengers as well. The Midnight Sons might be cool to.
The thing with Apocalypse is how to make him look comic accurate, people complain about his movie counterpart look but that was pretty close to the comics. So how do we make his look work.
The addition of mutants will definitely change the MCU, I just hope they do it in a good way and don't shit all the stories like fox did. Also, I hope they use the original team as the X-Men's first lineup, give Angel and Iceman the spotlight they deserve.
the problem with dark phoenix is they just did the scarlet witch. The story arch is more or less the same and arguably could even have been the same scale. I think they will do dark phoenix eventually, just not as a major story arch
I know it might not happen, but man it would be cool to have Hugh Wolverine appear in a couple multiverse saga films. He could be introduced in Quantamania, then Kang Dynasty, and final film in Secret Wars.
I think the big problem with trying to do Dark Phoenix right now is that Wanda is so much like her. Doing it 3 years from now might work, but I fear that actress and the storyline will always be compared to Olson and Wanda's story.
Yeah they have such similar powers aswell except jean will be in Wandas shadow as wanda is so much more powerfull and enjoyable as a character and will probably come back in the house of harkness series and if she does then god help us all because they'll probably use her as a way to kill of Jean or like agatha will bring back the dark alt somehow and wanda just goes off the rails matey fulfilling that prophecy and all the hero's will have to team up to stop her somehow like they did with thanos because the mcu seems to just use wanda as an excuse for another awful film masked as an ultimate battle good vs evil but like it won't work because wanda has very obviously been confirmed to be one of the most powerful beings and they said it about thanos but wanda is the scarlet witch her legacy was explained she either ruled the multiverse or destroy it now put this story next to the dark phoenix story there is obviously no way Jean grey will ever be as interesting or as good as a villain or anti hero than wanda simply because she's not that interesting or having cool powers she only has that one interesting power she can't control of practically erasing one from existence using her uncontrolled telekinesis mixed with that phoenix fire bull that every big time mcu villain has had e.g thanos and scarlet witch in M.O.M
I really appreciate it that you keep it clean. On top of that you’re definitely one of the better ones out there. Keep doing what you’re doing. It’s very enjoyable listening.
I don't really wanna see the MCU use the Dark Phoenix storyline tbh. Even if they do it justice, it feels a little repetitive at this point. Not to mention, I think it would make her feel too similar to Wanda in Multiverse of Madness. I'm perfectly content with Jean playing more of a passive role like in X-Men: Evolution.
agreed, I love the Dark Phoenix Saga but it needs to rest. Wanda in MOM basically copy the Dark Phoenix plot where she becomes corrupted and dies in the end. Don't bring up the HOM, it wasn't received well and full of inconsistencies. Idk why Marvel keeps doing that the "girl" is so powerful that she becomes unstable, like what happened to Wanda and Jean, it's shitty tbh.
Loved all of that and would love to see a comic accurate version of Days of Future Past. Feels like that could fit right into your theory with Cable being the one that travels back to warn everyone. My only gotcha in all of this is whether or not non-comic MCU fans are ready to see another red head female played as the villain? Perhaps 4 years will be enough time for people to get past it but remember that Marvel didn't want to have another Iron Monger for IM2 (hence Whiplash over Crimson Dynamo) and that didn't work out well...
I usually agree but I don't think this is based at all. The X-men franchise is popular because of the character building. They can't just make a crossover that makes them and then launch into Phoenix Saga. The 2nd attempt at the saga failed because the audience just doesn't have a relationship with the young first class cast and literally didn't care about the characters or the stakes. They can't do Phoenix sagas until they build the X-men up and make the audience fall in love with them. Anything less and the audience won't feel the growth or the value of the sacrifice and so on. Your take here is just another Fox-esque Mutant Who's Who trying to show as many mutants as you can and no one is getting their screen time. You're skipping over 30-40 years of character building and going right to Cable and Age of Apocalypse when the franchise hasn't earned the interest or love of the audience. The X-men is inherently long form. They need to start with a Disney+ series (at least 10 episodes) with the first season and maybe the 2nd season even dedicated exclusively to the *first class* and building up the rogues gallery. Some of these characters can popup in crossovers in other movies between season 1 and 2. 2nd season can add the 2nd class. Keep building up these new characters. Season 3 needs to end with the Phoenix Saga and then cover season 4 by continuing to explore the large cast and Phoenix's new abilities etc. Season 4 would lead into a Dark Phoenix crossover movie. After that they can start exploring 90s and 2000s mutants in season 5 and 6 laying the groundwork to Age of Apocalypse movie.
Ryan, you forgot to mention Sabra is going to be in CA:NWO and she is a mutant in the comics. Pitching the Dark Phoenix story again is lazy. Magic is big in the MCU now, why not a proper Majik storyline? Add in Nightcrawler's family & the MCU magic users and have an interdimensional conflict. Maybe the other dimensions are tired of the MCU almost destroying existence every few years. There would be enough characters who can travel dimensions to take the battle to Belasco, Mephisto, Nightmare, etc. All the Ghost Riders & the Midnight Sons could be brought in.
The only thing I would change is that having the phoenix take her body because she knows that Jean could handle because Jean is so powerful. when she gets in the body she becomes attached to the feelings that she feels especially the love for Scott so that makes her want to stay and not leave Jean’s body like she is supposed to.
Great story I hope they do exactly that, I can't wait to see how the more powered characters like captain marvel and scarlet witch compare to the Phoenix force and apocalypse.
One of the reasons the Dark Phoenix story didn't work before is that they didn't have time to breathe. We're introduced to Jean then she turns evil. A multi phase saga is actually perfect for making it work.
I TOTALLY agree that I WANT/NEED Cyclops in a badass Captain America of the X-Men role. I grew up reading comics in the 90's and everyone in the 90's LOVED Wolverine, but as an adult I realize that Cyclops had so much abandoned potential in the 90's. Hel, the coolest his character got was in the Age of Apocalypse story line. I would also LOVE to see the AoA storyline done right. Give me Nate Grey.
I want X-MEN not to be a movie but be a series, it allows them to draw out and explain things and do more with the X-MEN and allows time in-between and proper spin-offs like legion of x or the different storylines
I would like a Phoenix Saga, but they really need to develop the X-Men team before attempting it. It's a bad idea to start off with it. Jean will come off like a total Mary-Sue and many of the most important X-Men characters like Cyclops and Storm will get overshadowed.
I think characters can be redeemed in cameos as we saw in no way home. Electro was a redeemed character in that movie. I don’t think we need a whole movie or saga to redeem, with good writing, a cameo should suffice.
For new she hulk episode for your Easter eggs: Post credit scene with the shoes: Deadpool shoes, the thing shoes, cyclops shoes, maybe either echo or Electra with the red E, Namor shoe with trident top left, and maybe? Warren Worthington-Angel to the left of green goblin?
I think the mutants might come into the MCU by way of doctor strange 2 with an mutiverse incursion. In doctor strange 3 the realities will come together and create one world where prof X exists in the main timeline.
The only thing missing that might come into play in the MCU version is that House of M moment: would, instead, that Phase 8 ended with "No More Mutants" and then Phase 9 becomes the path by which they return? The MCU has put a HUGE amount of power into Wanda, and while the fans (and the nature of movies) may lead to a reconciliation arc...the comics almost never work that way with her.
I kind of hate the idea of a Mutants saga. It implies that the Avengers characters stories will take a backseat during the Saga, and if that's true, count me out. The X-Men should exist alongside the Avengers and the rest of the MCU, not take their place
Here are Main Villains MCU The Infinity Saga: Thanos The Multiverse Saga: Kang The Mutant Saga: Dark Phoenix The Galactic Saga: ??? The Cosmic Saga: Galactus
Doug is simply Doug. I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t a dog. To be fair he’s probably the real world equivalent of the pheonix force, only he’s lovable and nice and silly
I love this. I just wish we got to see an X-Men team in the universe with the original 6 Avengers. I heard Fox contracts have handcuffed Marvel from bringing some of these characters in sooner, but I still hope they at least use them in the multiverse saga. RDJ, Evans, Jackman, Stewart(again), Fassbender, etc. together in some way would be awesome.
You should make a video on how the MCU should of been made if Marvel had the rights to every superhero, Spiderman, x-men, fantastic 4, Deadpool, etc. How different would it be if they had everyone at the begining
This is my favorite video of all time. X-men are my favorite marvel characters and the way you set up the phases is perfect. I want the mcu to do exactly what you said. Feige please hire this man now
So what actually happen to the other established characters, they would be sidelined, for the mutants. For what I would like is for the multiverse saga would end in a way such that the current MCU universe would be destroyed and so many other universe would too the Dr strange would combine the remains of the other universea to create the ultimate universe and that saga would be called the cosmic saga with Galactus as the big bad, yeah mutants would have their own special story in that saga bur it must all connect in a way that the fantastic four, the avengers and the mutants would be important in their special way, that could top everything marvel would have done by then
dude swap dr strange for dr doom in your second sentence and that's literally the secret wars/battleworld storyline. bits of each universe salvaged together after the incursions and doom becomes god emperor doom ruling over all
So the hardest thing for a successful franchise to do is to leave its past behind. Phase 4 and 5 have struggled to let go of 1 through 3. By and large, the mutant stories of the comic books did not involve a lot of interaction with the Avengers meta-story. But when you introduce time travel and multiverses, all bets are off. If the universe is "re-ordered" by the end of 6, that's a good time to segue into a new Mutants story. And every day that passes is a day of getting separation from old movies made by other studios.
This is a bit to overpowered for the MCU, but even if they do it, unless they make people prejudicial against _all_ heroes, it just doesn't work. I love the X-men comics (or did when I was a kid), and the stories needed telling from a cultural perspective, but the X-men from the comics doesn't work in a shared universe with Dr. Strange, The Fantastic Four, Spider-man and the Avengers. The MCU has an Avengers musical and conventions dedicate to literal hero worship, that same world isn't going to have the masses rising up and slaughtering mutants. It just doesn't work.
In the early comics, while there was definite worship of the Avengers and FF, the X-Men were considered terrorists because of their association with Magneto. The US Government would only contact them as a last resort. And it feels like the shows are already highlighting the unsteadiness of public support, where the public might change their opinion of a hero very quickly (as in Spider-Man's case )
@@PoniesNSunshine It's more that in the same city where humans are holding rallies to lock up all Mutants they were cool with Johnny Storm flying around the city while on fire, or Ben Grimm being a big hunk of rock. There's just a fundamental disconnect between how the general populous treated different heroes that they even lampshaded the first Avengers v. XMen story line when Scott called out Captain Ameriica on the fact he never publicly defends mutants and only helps them when he needs something. From a story telling perspective, I 100% get it, the stories they are trying to tell in the Avengers are different than those in the X-Men but as a result they feel like they are in a different Universe, yet at the same time they want to move characters back and forth like Beast and Wolverine's stints in the Avengers or they want to do cross overs like the current A.X.E. Judgement Day storyline. Comic nerds like us already know this stuff, so we just accept it, but the MCU appeals to orders of magnitude more people so there needs to be a logical thread between the movies or people just won't get it. You can't have Smart Hulk giving autographs to kids in a diner, but Colossus is feared because he's a mutant. People can't be cool with Dr. Strange or Captain Marvel supreme power but fear someone like Angel, it just doesn't work.
Would like to see Xmen stories that havent been told yet in the movies..ideally would like them to start with Shi'ar Empire (connecting Cosmic characters), then get into a story line with Mojo and then back on earth with a Savage land storyline. The cross over event at the end could be the Phoenix saga...and finally Avengers vs Xmen.
As much a would absolutely love to see everything you've suggested on the future of the MCU, I think Marvel/Disney is most likely to recast Iron-Man and Captain America after the Multiverse is destroyed, they will play it safe. Excellent video though, thank you for it.
I'm not sure how the "mutants are hated and feared" angle will play in the MCU movies, because those very movies have shown no particular "man on the street" reactions to super powered people. Or they HAVE shown things like statues erected in their honor, or Ms Marvel being embraced by her town, stuff like that. Yes, they had the Sokovia Accords, but that seemed mostly about world governments wanting to use and control them as weapons, more than it was discrimination of humans in general against superhumans in general.
Somehow not agree, they have done that theme pretty well in No Way Home ,a green paint and bricks were thrown to him, protesters outside his campus. So I think they can expand pretty good on that topic.
Gambit, Rouge and jubilee! Cajun, southern bell, and teen Asian. Fighting sentinels, corrupt politicians. Couple cameos. Could be a solid movie that branches off x men saga movies. Like I'm sure they will do a wolverine stand alone movie.
I don't recall Kang having any specific vendetta against Mutants in the comics. Not that it doesn't exist I just don't recall any. If you are assuming Kang will hate them in the MCU that's yet to be seen. But I'd say because Mutants are damn powerful. Simple as that. But I may be missing something and an expert can elaborate more.
Ok Ryan I have to say I absolutely love this idea! Making Cyclops more of a leader and giving Gene her redemption arc is just awesome and beautiful. Great job Doug. I mean Ryan. Lol.
Doug asked "Why wait?" in regards to the mutants because Doug is a mutant and cannot wait for MCU movies about mutants. Doug has the powers of talking without moving lips, being mega level cute, and has a supergenius intellect. Doug also has combat level skills and powers that dwarf the Chuck Norris and Weird Al CNR lists. Doug was the first to discover cold fusion and never tell a soul. I need to go hunt down Doug merch now.
The ONE thing I agree with in this vid is the treatment of Cyclops. Scott is the Steve Rogers/Captain America of the X-Men, the MCU CAN NOT make the same mistake Fox did, putting Wolverine front and centre, Scott needs to be the focal point of the X-Men. In the comics, he's marvel's greatest tactician and strategist, better than Doom, Magneto, Prof. X, Steve, Reed, Tony and T'Challa. Even Nick Fury called him the most dangerous tactician alive, he's basically Marvel's Batman. He has saved mutantkind from extinction 3 fricking times, he is just criminally underrated man, the MCU MUST Do Him Justice! Also, at some point in this whole thing when it gets REAL BAD for Mutants, Scott needs to assemble X-Force to hunt down mutant enemies and threats like he does in the comics, showing that dark side he has that's willing to do what's necessary when the time comes.
Man, you talked about how rich and deep the X-Men story is then immediately jumped into redoing the dark phoenix and Apocalypse stories. I need to see them like I need to see Spidey and Bats origin story🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
It will be interesting to see how regular movie audiences react to the universe getting rebooted. We are used to it in the comics, wondering what film goers will think
What do you want to see happen in the Mutant Saga?
Why does Kang the Conqueror hates mutants again? Other than the whole racism thing?
I'm willing to wait for a while to ensure the story (and how mutants are inevitably explained into the MCU) is properly prepared. Kamala & 838 Xavier were great sneak peaks towards what is to come. But Kamala possibly being a mutant brings into question "are they already in the MCU, just dormant?" That's not a bad thing or anything, but it goes against many of the theories surrounding how the MCU will introduce mutants.
Maybe introduce the shi ar empire or the brood.
I àlso want x-men in phase7
@@marcusyates3044 you trying so to make this comment work🤣
Doing the phoenix saga straight away is the same mistake they already made, it needs to be earned we need to be super familiar with Jean and the team before this happens. It could be in the next phase. There are already so many great stories in the X-Men canon, no need to rush. I agree that they could make the mutant stuff a whole phase but through a series of movies and TV shows.
"Canon", not "cannon".
True.
@@davidanderson_surrey_bc both.
I agree. Phase 7 should be based around more street-level villains like Mystique, Juggernaut, and the Brotherhood, then do more powerful villains like Magneto and Mister Sinister for Phase 8, THEN in Phase 9 you can go all out with Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. Really hoping we finally get a good live action movie with those two.
Though I do hope if Kang appears as Rama-Tut that they plant the seeds for Apocalypse since Kang is actually central to Apocalypse's backstory in the comics.
I honestly think Marvel Studios can do the Dark Phoenix storyline justice. They should call Phase 10 of the MCU ‘Phase X’.
Phase X has nice ring to it
Phase X should be the last phase ever
Awesome idea
Ayyyyyy nice. That’s actually why they are rushing all their upcoming phases so they can have phase X
Smart
I'm looking forward to all the shows on Disney+. I'm sure characters like Gambit and Rogue won't get their own movies, but a bunch of 8 part mini-series will be a great way flesh out a ton of mutant stories.
I'm sick of tired of really short shows because they feel really rushed and can get really boring
@@5FtOfRage agreed. They need to be 10-12 episodes long. These 6 episode series are just bad.
My opinion is that through these mini-series they should show the life of Gambit and Rogue mainly with Rogue not knowing how to deal with his powers and Gambit with his criminal side, in the end they reach Xavier school and join the X-Men
i think they should do an x-men movie at the middle of a phase, and then an avengers movie at the end that unites every other team into one big adventure, following what the previous x-men story left on. i think this is the only way in which general audiences can get into the story while also doing what screencrush proposes on this video.
How about if we're doing the Dark Phoenix we focus on the REAL reason the Phoenix went mad in that comic; because throughout there attempts Fox has only done ONE thing, Point and Yell "She Powerful, Thats COOL!", when the real compelling story is the fact that it wasnt Jean that went mad with power, but the Phoenix was corrupted by Jeans emotions, it hadnt experienced Joy and Rage before her and it wanted to experience these feelings.
But nope in the movies its just FIRE BIRD GO BRRRR
This would be terrific. Told over multiple movies. The problem with the Phoenix saga is they keep trying to do it in one movie. It needs time to breathe
Phase 1-3 The Infinity Saga
Phase 4-6 The Multiverse Saga
Phase 7-9 The Mutant Saga
Sounds great.
Mutants gunna get like 5-6 Phases.
Phase 10-12 The Universe Saga
Where humans and mutants come together to defeat all the cosmic entities resetting a singular universe at the cost of super human abilities. Creating reality itself and marvel comics as the pocket dimension where super abilities and mutants were real.
@@C-Murph so, then why is there nothing mutant related anounced for phase 5, of course theyre holding back something, but not if it is released next year (besides sideroles/cameos of course)
@@bartvanesseveldt9751 He didn't mean that Mutants will be in phase 5-6, but that they should have 5 or 6 phases worth of movies/shows (phase 7-12 for example).
@@mypurpletie oh yeah, makes sense, I def agree
The problem I’ve always had with Fox trying to do the Dark Phoenix saga is they try to rush it all into one film. That needs to be built up. The other issue is that Jean Grey in those films is not likable. They need to make Jean on the stasis of Wanda where mostly everyone loves her. Though unlike Multiverse of Madness take time in corrupting Jean through various projects.
Dark Phoenix was originally two 3 hour movies. The first movie was made and due to be released but then all of a sudden it kept getting delayed and going through reshoots! This was because Disney had begun to try and buy fox behind the scenes and forced FOX to condense it down to a single movie and delay it till after the Captain Marvel movie had been released! This was because they wanted CM to be the first female led movie! Disney sabotaged the Dark Phoenix movie!
Whoever edited this deserves a pay rise!
Also, yes, this saga needs to happen!
Agree a bajillion percent about Cyclops needing to be a focus.
You mean 11:02?
It makes no sense to me how Fox decided Charles, Wolverine, Magneto and Mystique should be the main characters of the movies, sidelining almost every other X-Men character. The X-Men's success were always their team aspect.
OMG yes. Cyclops got screwed over by Fox. He's supposed to be a strong, confident leader who can function without his girlfriend. Worst scene is still Scott at the lake, apparently incapacitated by Jean's death... and then he dies.
Totally love your idea about Cyclops taking the lead as it should be. Great ideas for the X-men phases. It does suck doing but Pheonix saga / Apocalypse again but as you said, they are great stores. Age of Apocalypse story line would be a great side movie too once X-men are established .
Totally agree with you that a "Dark Phoenix Saga" is utterly empty without a Heroic Phoenix Saga to *prove* that this kind of power *can* be used for good, which both deepens the tragedy of Jean's demise -- and yet, since this timeline has completely jumped off the rails, might also allow for a satisfying subversion that allows Jean to live in symbiosis with the Phoenix, and not succumb to the doom of her other variants. I mean, we've seen this story so many times before - why not challenge this "predetermined story arc" when the Sacred Timeline's already been shattered to bits?
how has it been shattered to bits?
@@flamepulse42 When Sylvie killed Kang it allowed everything in the Sacred Timeline to be up for grabs and up for tampering by whoever
@@JohnnySensei7 it allowed other timelines to exist. it didnt change the primary timeline in any way
I think since Storm was a love interest to T'Challa that the MCU Storm will be Wakandan. Either full blooded or it’s where her family is from.
When you said the dark Phoenix story I initially thought "please no". You have changed my mind. The interweaving of all of the story arcs sounds wonderful. Have real meaning to the story other than here's another bad guy to beat up. Very well done.
Yes!! And I can’t wait for Rogue’s story to be properly told. She was underused with Fox leading the way. Here’s hoping she’ll appear in The Marvels 🤞🏻
Damn this sounds absolutely amazing, I feel if executed right this'll be the best saga in Marvel
This is next level fan fiction. You're really wearing your heart on your sleeve here. :)
I think the hardest part of X-Men is there is enough content for their own version of the MCU. So if we are talking fan fiction and fan wish fulfillment, I want them to have their own Cinematic Universe in a way.
Basically Marvel would have to double their movie output and give half their TV shows to Mutants. Then connect the two movie series occasionally. So you don't have to watch both movie series to follow the entire marvel universe unless you want to. There would still be big X-Men vs Avengers type of cross overs, but they wouldn't be dependent on knowledge from previous movies, just references. Like how the first two Avengers movies didn't require you to have watched any of the previous movies, it just helps
Nah you still had to watch all the movies in the first two avengers ones wym!? Lmao
@@danielcancel2901 what important plot details were there in Phase 1 that were not explained in Avengers 1?
What important plot details were there in Phase 2 that were not explained in Age of Ultron?
Those stories are pretty much self contained. There are small things, like Cap's history with the tesseract in Avengers 1, but that isn't really relevant to the plot. In Age of Ultron you might wonder where Shield is, but beyond that everything else was self contained.
I like this, this would be an awesome Mutant Saga. The only thing I would change is the inclusion of eternals and midnight sons, maybe even hints of inhumans. I would really like more eternals to be included in the mcu and see mutants as a threat or a devient gene. Forcing them to take action, especially with Jean hosting the phoenix force. This then will create three fractions, mutants vs avengers vs eternals. And maybe midnight sons. All these fraction will have there one agendas and purpose, creating another civil war. Once the mutants saga comes to an end, inhumans can them come out of the shadows and calming to be a better evolution of mutants. Perhaps created my celestials
Just end the Danm MCU already
A lot of this is great, but it lacks a huge role for 1 of the best characters ever in Magneto. Hopefully, he has a great arc and maybe even tie in Wanda and her brother somehow like the comics.
I love that you want to focus more on Cyclops. He has been one of my favorite X-Men for a long time and you are right: Fox just doesn't do him justice. He's defeated the Purifiers, Norman Osborne, Bastion, an Invasion of Skrulls, The Sapien League and others through superior tactics and leadership. Per Fury, the less time Scott has to make a decision, the more correct that decision is. This makes him one of the best leaders in Marvel. Do I need to mention that he is irresistible to telepaths? They can't stay away from him.
I agree with that, dedicate and entire saga to The X-Men. They have so many great and compelling stories they deserve their own saga honestly. However, I'd still like them to start laying the groundwork for their inevitable appearance *Now* 🤔
I think this will be more likely the Thunderbolts vs the X-men. They could throw in a new Avengers team, FF, and Young Avengers as well. The Midnight Sons might be cool to.
When the MCU FINALLY does mutants I wanna see either the comic book version or the X-Men animated version of Apocalypse
The thing with Apocalypse is how to make him look comic accurate, people complain about his movie counterpart look but that was pretty close to the comics. So how do we make his look work.
The addition of mutants will definitely change the MCU, I just hope they do it in a good way and don't shit all the stories like fox did. Also, I hope they use the original team as the X-Men's first lineup, give Angel and Iceman the spotlight they deserve.
Can’t wait to see Nightcrawler in the MCU 🔥🔥🔥
Oh man yeah wow hope the same one plays him
The whole Cable/time travel works especially when consolidating the multiverse
I would like to see the MCU adapt the Dark Phoenix Saga, Age of Apocalypse, Onslaught, House of M, and Avengers vs X-Men for the Mutant Saga.
I think they'll probably bring Cable over w/ Deadpool so I doubt he'll have any connection to Jean or Scott in the MCU.
So his name won't be Nathan Summers? 😑
He can without it having been mentioned before he is a time traveler
the problem with dark phoenix is they just did the scarlet witch. The story arch is more or less the same and arguably could even have been the same scale. I think they will do dark phoenix eventually, just not as a major story arch
I know it might not happen, but man it would be cool to have Hugh Wolverine appear in a couple multiverse saga films. He could be introduced in Quantamania, then Kang Dynasty, and final film in Secret Wars.
I think the big problem with trying to do Dark Phoenix right now is that Wanda is so much like her. Doing it 3 years from now might work, but I fear that actress and the storyline will always be compared to Olson and Wanda's story.
Same, it'll just be called rehashing.
you mean wanda is to much like jean
Yeah they have such similar powers aswell except jean will be in Wandas shadow as wanda is so much more powerfull and enjoyable as a character and will probably come back in the house of harkness series and if she does then god help us all because they'll probably use her as a way to kill of Jean or like agatha will bring back the dark alt somehow and wanda just goes off the rails matey fulfilling that prophecy and all the hero's will have to team up to stop her somehow like they did with thanos because the mcu seems to just use wanda as an excuse for another awful film masked as an ultimate battle good vs evil but like it won't work because wanda has very obviously been confirmed to be one of the most powerful beings and they said it about thanos but wanda is the scarlet witch her legacy was explained she either ruled the multiverse or destroy it now put this story next to the dark phoenix story there is obviously no way Jean grey will ever be as interesting or as good as a villain or anti hero than wanda simply because she's not that interesting or having cool powers she only has that one interesting power she can't control of practically erasing one from existence using her uncontrolled telekinesis mixed with that phoenix fire bull that every big time mcu villain has had e.g thanos and scarlet witch in M.O.M
@@keyshaun123 no. they said what they meant
yeah except Wanda’s story was hot ass in the MCU
I really appreciate it that you keep it clean. On top of that you’re definitely one of the better ones out there. Keep doing what you’re doing. It’s very enjoyable listening.
I don't really wanna see the MCU use the Dark Phoenix storyline tbh.
Even if they do it justice, it feels a little repetitive at this point.
Not to mention, I think it would make her feel too similar to Wanda in Multiverse of Madness.
I'm perfectly content with Jean playing more of a passive role like in X-Men: Evolution.
But if they do the DP storyline, at least it will be done Justice.
Agreed, let the XMen be heroes for a while and give Phoenix a rest.
agreed, I love the Dark Phoenix Saga but it needs to rest. Wanda in MOM basically copy the Dark Phoenix plot where she becomes corrupted and dies in the end. Don't bring up the HOM, it wasn't received well and full of inconsistencies. Idk why Marvel keeps doing that the "girl" is so powerful that she becomes unstable, like what happened to Wanda and Jean, it's shitty tbh.
FINALLY somebody brings up Genosha! It’s such a great storyline and easily translatable your the screen. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Loved all of that and would love to see a comic accurate version of Days of Future Past. Feels like that could fit right into your theory with Cable being the one that travels back to warn everyone. My only gotcha in all of this is whether or not non-comic MCU fans are ready to see another red head female played as the villain? Perhaps 4 years will be enough time for people to get past it but remember that Marvel didn't want to have another Iron Monger for IM2 (hence Whiplash over Crimson Dynamo) and that didn't work out well...
I don’t need more Wolverine with the X-men. I want the x-men characters to stand alone. Hopefully Wolverine joins by the second film.
I usually agree but I don't think this is based at all. The X-men franchise is popular because of the character building. They can't just make a crossover that makes them and then launch into Phoenix Saga. The 2nd attempt at the saga failed because the audience just doesn't have a relationship with the young first class cast and literally didn't care about the characters or the stakes. They can't do Phoenix sagas until they build the X-men up and make the audience fall in love with them. Anything less and the audience won't feel the growth or the value of the sacrifice and so on.
Your take here is just another Fox-esque Mutant Who's Who trying to show as many mutants as you can and no one is getting their screen time. You're skipping over 30-40 years of character building and going right to Cable and Age of Apocalypse when the franchise hasn't earned the interest or love of the audience.
The X-men is inherently long form. They need to start with a Disney+ series (at least 10 episodes) with the first season and maybe the 2nd season even dedicated exclusively to the *first class* and building up the rogues gallery. Some of these characters can popup in crossovers in other movies between season 1 and 2. 2nd season can add the 2nd class. Keep building up these new characters. Season 3 needs to end with the Phoenix Saga and then cover season 4 by continuing to explore the large cast and Phoenix's new abilities etc. Season 4 would lead into a Dark Phoenix crossover movie. After that they can start exploring 90s and 2000s mutants in season 5 and 6 laying the groundwork to Age of Apocalypse movie.
100% agreed. Although X-men is way too valuable to be just a tv show. This universe deserves at least 10 years of building to get everything right.
If they bring back wanda with her full power, could she fight off pheonix
Ryan, you forgot to mention Sabra is going to be in CA:NWO and she is a mutant in the comics.
Pitching the Dark Phoenix story again is lazy. Magic is big in the MCU now, why not a proper Majik storyline? Add in Nightcrawler's family & the MCU magic users and have an interdimensional conflict. Maybe the other dimensions are tired of the MCU almost destroying existence every few years. There would be enough characters who can travel dimensions to take the battle to Belasco, Mephisto, Nightmare, etc. All the Ghost Riders & the Midnight Sons could be brought in.
The only thing I would change is that having the phoenix take her body because she knows that Jean could handle because Jean is so powerful. when she gets in the body she becomes attached to the feelings that she feels especially the love for Scott so that makes her want to stay and not leave Jean’s body like she is supposed to.
They aren't going to dedicate 3 phases just to the X-men. They already said they aren't doing anymore 10 year plans and this would be a 10 year plan
15:08 The motion comics series of the Astonishing X-Men is so dope
Overall that was an amazing breakdown for the mutants! Especially Cyclops!
Great story I hope they do exactly that, I can't wait to see how the more powered characters like captain marvel and scarlet witch compare to the Phoenix force and apocalypse.
I just want Kitty Pryde and Wolverine in Japan. If I get a Magik arc and the New Mutants I'll be happy. I could also go for a modern Dazzler saga.
I agree sign me up!
This.... Was amazing! Even if you just spoiled the next 10 years I'm fine with Marvel taking your ideas and running with it! Bravo!
I vote for RyanArey to direct the Mutant saga for Marvel. He would do what the fans want to watch 😀
One of the reasons the Dark Phoenix story didn't work before is that they didn't have time to breathe. We're introduced to Jean then she turns evil. A multi phase saga is actually perfect for making it work.
Mr Sinister needs to be the big bad for the Xmen
I TOTALLY agree that I WANT/NEED Cyclops in a badass Captain America of the X-Men role. I grew up reading comics in the 90's and everyone in the 90's LOVED Wolverine, but as an adult I realize that Cyclops had so much abandoned potential in the 90's. Hel, the coolest his character got was in the Age of Apocalypse story line. I would also LOVE to see the AoA storyline done right. Give me Nate Grey.
I want X-MEN not to be a movie but be a series, it allows them to draw out and explain things and do more with the X-MEN and allows time in-between and proper spin-offs like legion of x or the different storylines
nah the shows are poop compared to the films
I would like a Phoenix Saga, but they really need to develop the X-Men team before attempting it. It's a bad idea to start off with it. Jean will come off like a total Mary-Sue and many of the most important X-Men characters like Cyclops and Storm will get overshadowed.
I think characters can be redeemed in cameos as we saw in no way home. Electro was a redeemed character in that movie. I don’t think we need a whole movie or saga to redeem, with good writing, a cameo should suffice.
For new she hulk episode for your Easter eggs: Post credit scene with
the shoes: Deadpool shoes, the thing shoes, cyclops shoes, maybe either echo or Electra with the red E, Namor shoe with trident top left, and maybe? Warren Worthington-Angel to the left of green goblin?
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I think the mutants might come into the MCU by way of doctor strange 2 with an mutiverse incursion. In doctor strange 3 the realities will come together and create one world where prof X exists in the main timeline.
The only thing missing that might come into play in the MCU version is that House of M moment: would, instead, that Phase 8 ended with "No More Mutants" and then Phase 9 becomes the path by which they return?
The MCU has put a HUGE amount of power into Wanda, and while the fans (and the nature of movies) may lead to a reconciliation arc...the comics almost never work that way with her.
I kind of hate the idea of a Mutants saga. It implies that the Avengers characters stories will take a backseat during the Saga, and if that's true, count me out. The X-Men should exist alongside the Avengers and the rest of the MCU, not take their place
the x-men were at the backseat of the avengers for a whole decade, i think it's time for it to be the opposite again.
Here are Main Villains MCU
The Infinity Saga: Thanos
The Multiverse Saga: Kang
The Mutant Saga: Dark Phoenix
The Galactic Saga: ???
The Cosmic Saga: Galactus
I wanna see a Full Phoniex force Wanda, but not from it choosing her, but instead Wanda using magic (maybe the darkhold) to bend it to her will.
That apocalypse story NEEDS to happen!
How are you churning out so much quality content. Do you ever sleep, or eat? I'm sure there are laws on how much work animals are allowed to do. 😂
Doug is a cruel Mister
Doug is simply Doug. I wouldn’t be surprised if he wasn’t a dog. To be fair he’s probably the real world equivalent of the pheonix force, only he’s lovable and nice and silly
this was such a great vid it had all the things i would expect from mavel to do with mutants if they do them seperatly as the MUTANTS SAGA
Dam, you and your team should write for the MCU. Great ideas like always. I'd love to see all this happen.
Percy Jackson fan?
You really need to read the X-comics of the last few years. It's been amazing. We want Krakoa!
While there are somethings I would do differently, I would not be disappointed with this
I dont think this planet has 4 years left.
Sad but true
Love the channel and Doug!! Keep up the awesome work
I love this. I just wish we got to see an X-Men team in the universe with the original 6 Avengers. I heard Fox contracts have handcuffed Marvel from bringing some of these characters in sooner, but I still hope they at least use them in the multiverse saga. RDJ, Evans, Jackman, Stewart(again), Fassbender, etc. together in some way would be awesome.
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You should make a video on how the MCU should of been made if Marvel had the rights to every superhero, Spiderman, x-men, fantastic 4, Deadpool, etc. How different would it be if they had everyone at the begining
I second this. Always dreamed of tobey in New York with the avengers
This is my favorite video of all time. X-men are my favorite marvel characters and the way you set up the phases is perfect. I want the mcu to do exactly what you said. Feige please hire this man now
So what actually happen to the other established characters, they would be sidelined, for the mutants. For what I would like is for the multiverse saga would end in a way such that the current MCU universe would be destroyed and so many other universe would too the Dr strange would combine the remains of the other universea to create the ultimate universe and that saga would be called the cosmic saga with Galactus as the big bad, yeah mutants would have their own special story in that saga bur it must all connect in a way that the fantastic four, the avengers and the mutants would be important in their special way, that could top everything marvel would have done by then
dude swap dr strange for dr doom in your second sentence and that's literally the secret wars/battleworld storyline. bits of each universe salvaged together after the incursions and doom becomes god emperor doom ruling over all
So the hardest thing for a successful franchise to do is to leave its past behind. Phase 4 and 5 have struggled to let go of 1 through 3. By and large, the mutant stories of the comic books did not involve a lot of interaction with the Avengers meta-story. But when you introduce time travel and multiverses, all bets are off. If the universe is "re-ordered" by the end of 6, that's a good time to segue into a new Mutants story. And every day that passes is a day of getting separation from old movies made by other studios.
This is a bit to overpowered for the MCU, but even if they do it, unless they make people prejudicial against _all_ heroes, it just doesn't work. I love the X-men comics (or did when I was a kid), and the stories needed telling from a cultural perspective, but the X-men from the comics doesn't work in a shared universe with Dr. Strange, The Fantastic Four, Spider-man and the Avengers. The MCU has an Avengers musical and conventions dedicate to literal hero worship, that same world isn't going to have the masses rising up and slaughtering mutants. It just doesn't work.
In the early comics, while there was definite worship of the Avengers and FF, the X-Men were considered terrorists because of their association with Magneto. The US Government would only contact them as a last resort. And it feels like the shows are already highlighting the unsteadiness of public support, where the public might change their opinion of a hero very quickly (as in Spider-Man's case )
@@PoniesNSunshine It's more that in the same city where humans are holding rallies to lock up all Mutants they were cool with Johnny Storm flying around the city while on fire, or Ben Grimm being a big hunk of rock.
There's just a fundamental disconnect between how the general populous treated different heroes that they even lampshaded the first Avengers v. XMen story line when Scott called out Captain Ameriica on the fact he never publicly defends mutants and only helps them when he needs something.
From a story telling perspective, I 100% get it, the stories they are trying to tell in the Avengers are different than those in the X-Men but as a result they feel like they are in a different Universe, yet at the same time they want to move characters back and forth like Beast and Wolverine's stints in the Avengers or they want to do cross overs like the current A.X.E. Judgement Day storyline.
Comic nerds like us already know this stuff, so we just accept it, but the MCU appeals to orders of magnitude more people so there needs to be a logical thread between the movies or people just won't get it. You can't have Smart Hulk giving autographs to kids in a diner, but Colossus is feared because he's a mutant. People can't be cool with Dr. Strange or Captain Marvel supreme power but fear someone like Angel, it just doesn't work.
Would like to see Xmen stories that havent been told yet in the movies..ideally would like them to start with Shi'ar Empire (connecting Cosmic characters), then get into a story line with Mojo and then back on earth with a Savage land storyline. The cross over event at the end could be the Phoenix saga...and finally Avengers vs Xmen.
As much a would absolutely love to see everything you've suggested on the future of the MCU, I think Marvel/Disney is most likely to recast Iron-Man and Captain America after the Multiverse is destroyed, they will play it safe. Excellent video though, thank you for it.
I wish Marvel would hire you a a writer.
I'm not sure how the "mutants are hated and feared" angle will play in the MCU movies, because those very movies have shown no particular "man on the street" reactions to super powered people. Or they HAVE shown things like statues erected in their honor, or Ms Marvel being embraced by her town, stuff like that. Yes, they had the Sokovia Accords, but that seemed mostly about world governments wanting to use and control them as weapons, more than it was discrimination of humans in general against superhumans in general.
Somehow not agree, they have done that theme pretty well in No Way Home ,a green paint and bricks were thrown to him, protesters outside his campus. So I think they can expand pretty good on that topic.
Gambit, Rouge and jubilee! Cajun, southern bell, and teen Asian. Fighting sentinels, corrupt politicians. Couple cameos. Could be a solid movie that branches off x men saga movies. Like I'm sure they will do a wolverine stand alone movie.
Why does Kang the Conqueror hates mutants again? Other than the whole racism thing?
I don't recall Kang having any specific vendetta against Mutants in the comics. Not that it doesn't exist I just don't recall any. If you are assuming Kang will hate them in the MCU that's yet to be seen. But I'd say because Mutants are damn powerful. Simple as that. But I may be missing something and an expert can elaborate more.
You’re reaching with the whole racism thing.
Ok Ryan I have to say I absolutely love this idea! Making Cyclops more of a leader and giving Gene her redemption arc is just awesome and beautiful. Great job Doug. I mean Ryan. Lol.
This sounds great. I would like to see the Mojoverse!
10:55 parallels to Star Wars that'll for sure win Feige's approval
Doug asked "Why wait?" in regards to the mutants because Doug is a mutant and cannot wait for MCU movies about mutants. Doug has the powers of talking without moving lips, being mega level cute, and has a supergenius intellect. Doug also has combat level skills and powers that dwarf the Chuck Norris and Weird Al CNR lists. Doug was the first to discover cold fusion and never tell a soul.
I need to go hunt down Doug merch now.
I hope you’re right. This means my son will be six by the time X-Men make their debut. I can throw an X-Men party!!!
Can’t stop watching this video, this is genius fan fiction! Please keep making videos like this!
Werewolf by Night breakdown soon hopefully!!!
We gotta have this new sassy version of Mister Sinister though.
When the X-Men finally arrive on the MCU, I hope they bring in Onslaught in a movie
Dude, you are awesome! Disney should hire you on the spot!
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The ONE thing I agree with in this vid is the treatment of Cyclops. Scott is the Steve Rogers/Captain America of the X-Men, the MCU CAN NOT make the same mistake Fox did, putting Wolverine front and centre, Scott needs to be the focal point of the X-Men. In the comics, he's marvel's greatest tactician and strategist, better than Doom, Magneto, Prof. X, Steve, Reed, Tony and T'Challa. Even Nick Fury called him the most dangerous tactician alive, he's basically Marvel's Batman. He has saved mutantkind from extinction 3 fricking times, he is just criminally underrated man, the MCU MUST Do Him Justice!
Also, at some point in this whole thing when it gets REAL BAD for Mutants, Scott needs to assemble X-Force to hunt down mutant enemies and threats like he does in the comics, showing that dark side he has that's willing to do what's necessary when the time comes.
6:21 nice summary of the video
Man, you talked about how rich and deep the X-Men story is then immediately jumped into redoing the dark phoenix and Apocalypse stories. I need to see them like I need to see Spidey and Bats origin story🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
One thing though, Doctor Doom might end up being the big bad for Avengers Secret Wars. Other than that, this sounds pretty good.
That is exactly what I was thinking. Judging by how Marvel operates I am confident it will be the mutant Saga
Please make more videos like this, love it!
Kevin feigie: watches this video
"Oh crap he's right now we need to change everything"
@®️Telegram @ScreenCrush what
Damn... that was some damn in-depth goodness!
It will be interesting to see how regular movie audiences react to the universe getting rebooted. We are used to it in the comics, wondering what film goers will think
Scott’s been done so dirty for years that I forgot how important he is for the team and just mutants overall