This episode made me so happy! David’s doctor finally gets a happy ending and Ncuti’s doctor had an amazing start. And the toymaker is a fantastic villain.
Isn't it already the second happy ending for Davids Doctor ? I mean wasn't there already the clone from his hand who got the happy ending with Rose, or whatever it was ? 🤔🤔
@@beldin2987 Well that wasn't really the main doctor, it was a human copy. This time the real doctor finally gets his reward, and when he's fully emotionally healed, he'll be able to become 15. Like Ncuti's doctor said, he's only fine because 14 fixed himself.
Little FYI: -Melanie Bush, played by Bonnie Langford, was a companion of the Sixth and Seventh Doctor, she is a computer genius, but the writers of Classic Who has downed her to a screamer. Glad to see this Special has given her a moment to shine. -John Logie Baird was a Scottish inventor of the television. -The Toymaker is an enemy of the First Doctor from 1967, an immortal being and illusions master obsessed with toys and amusement. He was previously played by Michael Gough, who also played Alfred in the original Batman films. Ncuti Gatwa is gonna be a great Doctor. Can't wait for the next series 💙💙
Just a quick little correction, it was 1966, as that was the year William Hartnell Regenerated. And the toymaker appeared in at least 2 - 3 Stories before the regeneration happened because The Toymaker was supposed to cause the 1st Doctor's Regeneration. Pretty easy to mix up the years though as it was so long ago.
@@CRINOTH Thanks for clarifying how much longer he ran, I haven't started classic Doctor Who yet, so I couldn't remember how many stories after The Toymaker his regeneration story was.
@@silentwraithuk No problem. I hadn't realised you hadn't watched classic though, as you know the original plan to write out the 1st Doctor... I hope it wasn't too much of a spoiler that I said the exact number of stories he had left. I wouldn't have done if I'd realised.
@@CRINOTH Nah it's all good, I know a lot about classic who, even without watching it, the only reason I never watched them is because I didn't have access to them, but now 95% of the episodes are now on iPlayer, I will be able to start watching them. The only things I care about for spoilers, is for newer stuff. Like if I never got the chance to watch the christmas special when it airs, I try to avoid stuff until after I watch it! But I did know that it wasn't long after The Celestial Toymaker that William Hartnell left as it was 1966.
I love this special. I waited too long to watch this. This was good. I cried a little when 14 aka 10 Doctor was about to say goodbye, I said "Allonsy my love" I love he got a happy ending with Donna. Loved this duo since season 4 & this special. Toymaker makes an entrance like the Tony Awards. OMG! Ncuti! ❤Loved seeing him. His energy as the 15th Doctor.......Can't wait for Christmas!🎄 Also, love the TARDIS diary in the background
The Giggle was a crazy special for sure, but I really liked it. It was both Weird & Wonderful. 🃏❤ I loved Neil Patrick Harris as the Toymaker. Teared up a little seeing the Doctor so happy at the table scene. It was heartwarming to get a happy ending
i honestly loved the bi generating, in RTD’s perspective, and it seems like the newtwork as well, this is the end of the revival series, with that in mind i do love the main character finally getting a happily ever ever. also it clears up a lot and makes everything fresh for Ncuti. it feels like the show kinda went so we traumatized the main character too much now we need to cut them in half and have one half literally settle down and heal and the other revamp the series
This is such a great special!!! The previous two specials just felt like another episode of DW, but THIS really felt like a special encompassing 60 years of the franchise on top of teasing us of what's to come in the future! Love all the nods, references and easter eggs and really digging Ncuti Gatwa as the 15th Doctor from the start (giving me Matt Smith vibes). So Melanie Bush (or just Mel) is a companion from the 6th Doctor (Colin Baker) and 7th Doctor (Sylvester McCoy) era, although I must say she's so much better here and I'm sure Bonnie Langford is having such a great time coming back to new who. So glad to see her again!:) Anyways, totally looking forward to more Ncuti during the Christmas special and for the years to come!:) Btw I miss your Dalek mug 😢
Amy lives out her life in the past with Rory. Clara is saved & travels in her own Tardis with Ashildr. Bill becomes an Immortal Pilot & travels the universe with Heather.
12:43 I mean it's Doctor Who, they established long ago that all the Doctors are actually flying around anywhere in space and time and they just don't always meet, but sometimes they do (Day of the Doctor, etc). 14 and 15 are just another set we know are flying around all time and space somewhere. Technically River Song is still out there, just not the one that goes to the Library.
Great first impression from Ncuti, he seems fun. I haven't been this excited for Doctor Who in a long time. The first episode of the specials felt like good old Doctor Who and by the end of the special it feels so fresh and new and that's great because for a while Doctor Who felt stale and stuck in the past. There are few quirks I don't like about the production but those are minor details but otherwise this was absolutely great. Also the Bi-generation feels like set-up for a spin off.
I am not familiar with Ncuti at all, and Matt Smith is my favorite Doctor, but the moment Ncuti appeared he took the ball, literally and said "catch up, honey!"
According to RTD, this bigeneration causes bigenerations of all previous Doctors, creating different universes (I guess) where those Doctors continue their journeys. Curious if that will ever be dealt with or just Davies' flight of fancy.
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I bet when 14 regenerates he will go back to the moment of the bi generation and become ncuti Love ncutis Scottish glad he kept it Ncuti is still 15 like David is 10 and 14
"There's gonna be two Doctors travelling about space and time" It's... it's a time travel show, hun. All the Doctors are always travelling about at once, all the time.
Yeah but there’s only one personal timeline, now there are two. Oh sorry my math is wrong, now there’s at least 15+ independent timelines that will just continue to multiply until everyone in the universe is a Doctor
Im just imagining Big Finnish salivating at the fact that Bi-Gereation is a thing now so they can make like a 30 hr audio book about the lore a about it. And I can't wait for it. As for the Bi-generation itself, i like it, but I also feel as if it's a bit of a cop out. Like the 15th doctor is still the same doctor as the 14th, so he is still running from taking a break. Doesn't the 15th also have the same trauma as 14 and below? Just feels like a cheap way of getting the doctor to end his journeys, but not really. Neat idea, cheap execution. All that said, I'm excited to see this new Doctor. Hopefully, the stories will be on point. Or at least will have a better hit to fail ratio.
Russell T Davies and deus ex machina. Name a more iconic duo... I joke. I can actually totally accept the bigeneration - "rehab out of order" like Ncuti said. It's like I see 15 as having physically manifested out of that bigeneration, but mentally... he has the memories and recovery that 14 is yet to have. The recovery is definitely implied, the memories not so much. But, y'know, timey-wimey stuff. My personal wish is that both the Doctors and TARDISes should eventually have to recombine to justify 15 having that recovery and memories - like... it echoes back through time when they recombine in some future story. But that's just wishful thinking right now. I'd also love to see a short scene somewhere of 14 using a hammer and non-sonic screwdriver to install a wheelchair ramp in his "old" version of the TARDIS, 'cause I think that would be cute. That and maybe he installs the jukebox as a gift to 15 and again... echoes out of place in time, rehab out of order, timey-wimey stuff.
So many thoughts Ok 1) 3 specials fabulous on the whole so happy Donna and 14 got a non-tragic happy ending 2) Kate was wearing red nail polish 💅 3) Did not know what to expect from Ncuti but I am EXCITED after this episode! 4) bigeneration 😬 well this is the second time Tennant has been able to escape dying in some way as the human version of 10 also got to live with Rose. Like the idea that he needed to become 10 again to heal however, Russell T Davies has since said that bigeneration now happened to EVERY Doctor when they died so ALL of them are once again alive in a sliver of time. This is unnecessary because the doctor is a TIME TRAVELLER, meaning he and she can already be alive simultaneously. We saw this very thing in the 50th anniversary when 13 doctors travelled to a singular point in time and space to time lock Gallifrey during the Time War and at several other points during modern and classic who. This adds a whole new level to the Doctor's power creep in a wholly unnecessary way that adds nothing to the actual story
@@Tyler-zx7xnon the commentary of him, Tennant and Phil Collinson watching the Giggle on Iplayer. He specifically mentioned he loves imagining that now there’s a Fifth Doctor that gets left behind on Androzani when Six and Peri fly off. Which I don’t. I actually hate that I don’t know why he said that every doctor has now bigenerated
@@jpblack2148 yeah the Fourteen/Fifteen bi-gen I’m not loving (unless it’s made explicit that Fourteen eventually does fully regenerate into Fifteen or they are now the Curator and can flick between all prior incarnations) regardless, I can get right with that specific occurrence. The whole every Doctor did it thing is just utterly bizarre to me and I cannot comprehend why he thinks that’s cool or interesting at all, my opinion couldn’t be more at odds with him. Not only does it cheapen regeneration as a concept but it also cheapens the reason why Doctor Who is so about change. It’s not about change biologically, like it’s a fact of it’s existence, it became that BECAUSE of regeneration. Take that away and it’s all a bit stupid. I pray he leaves that firmly in his mind and never brings it out again.
im glad you'll be reacting to the christmas special! i recommend watching some episodes that you have missed if you're not up to watching all of them, there are some hidden gems. (like heaven sent and s10 two parter finale but s10 is solid and you'd meet bill)
Heaven Sent is a must. I don't know what Monica has seen but... Heaven Sent will also contain a very massive spoiler for the preceding episodes. Totally worth it; it works so well as a standalone, but that is big spoiler territory. I dropped off sometime into Capaldi's run, so I did in fact watch Heaven Sent before the episodes that led up to it because I'd heard it was brilliant... and it was. It's still my favourite episode and probably will be for a long time yet.
The universe broke when he did the salt thing in the previous special. Superstitions can now manifest. Bigeneration was a myth. It became real. The Universe couldn't hold the Toymaker before because he's impossible; now it can because the impossible has become possible. But I'm not entirely sure how bigeneration works, *technically.* It might just be a chronology thing, meaning 15 is technically pulled from later in his personal subjective timeline. Regeneration and time travel combined into one event, and the TARDIS pulling itself from the future (hence the iPod and ramp having been installed, presumably by 14 some time before the other half of the bigeneration happens). I mean, keep in mind all the *past* Doctors are still in the times they've been to, and they've been to a lot of times, some of which could be the present at any given moment. The Doctor has crossed paths with themselves before.
People are getting a romantic vibe from the Doctor and the Toymaker that I'm not getting. It seems like an offer of self-sacrifice more than something the Doctor wants. (My take, anyway.)
This episode made me so happy! David’s doctor finally gets a happy ending and Ncuti’s doctor had an amazing start. And the toymaker is a fantastic villain.
Isn't it already the second happy ending for Davids Doctor ? I mean wasn't there already the clone from his hand who got the happy ending with Rose, or whatever it was ? 🤔🤔
@@beldin2987 Well that wasn't really the main doctor, it was a human copy. This time the real doctor finally gets his reward, and when he's fully emotionally healed, he'll be able to become 15. Like Ncuti's doctor said, he's only fine because 14 fixed himself.
@@Creek932 It's not really his happy ending if he's eventually going to merge back into Fifteen, though, is it?
Little FYI:
-Melanie Bush, played by Bonnie Langford, was a companion of the Sixth and Seventh Doctor, she is a computer genius, but the writers of Classic Who has downed her to a screamer. Glad to see this Special has given her a moment to shine.
-John Logie Baird was a Scottish inventor of the television.
-The Toymaker is an enemy of the First Doctor from 1967, an immortal being and illusions master obsessed with toys and amusement. He was previously played by Michael Gough, who also played Alfred in the original Batman films.
Ncuti Gatwa is gonna be a great Doctor. Can't wait for the next series 💙💙
Just a quick little correction, it was 1966, as that was the year William Hartnell Regenerated. And the toymaker appeared in at least 2 - 3 Stories before the regeneration happened because The Toymaker was supposed to cause the 1st Doctor's Regeneration. Pretty easy to mix up the years though as it was so long ago.
@@silentwraithuk Yes, William Hartnell carried on for 5 more stories after meeting the Toymaker. :)
@@CRINOTH Thanks for clarifying how much longer he ran, I haven't started classic Doctor Who yet, so I couldn't remember how many stories after The Toymaker his regeneration story was.
@@silentwraithuk No problem. I hadn't realised you hadn't watched classic though, as you know the original plan to write out the 1st Doctor... I hope it wasn't too much of a spoiler that I said the exact number of stories he had left. I wouldn't have done if I'd realised.
@@CRINOTH Nah it's all good, I know a lot about classic who, even without watching it, the only reason I never watched them is because I didn't have access to them, but now 95% of the episodes are now on iPlayer, I will be able to start watching them. The only things I care about for spoilers, is for newer stuff. Like if I never got the chance to watch the christmas special when it airs, I try to avoid stuff until after I watch it! But I did know that it wasn't long after The Celestial Toymaker that William Hartnell left as it was 1966.
They did Donne RIGHT. And I’m excited seeing Ncuti’s doctor!
I love this special. I waited too long to watch this. This was good. I cried a little when 14 aka 10 Doctor was about to say goodbye, I said "Allonsy my love" I love he got a happy ending with Donna. Loved this duo since season 4 & this special. Toymaker makes an entrance like the Tony Awards. OMG! Ncuti! ❤Loved seeing him. His energy as the 15th Doctor.......Can't wait for Christmas!🎄 Also, love the TARDIS diary in the background
The Giggle was a crazy special for sure, but I really liked it. It was both Weird & Wonderful. 🃏❤ I loved Neil Patrick Harris as the Toymaker. Teared up a little seeing the Doctor so happy at the table scene. It was heartwarming to get a happy ending
i honestly loved the bi generating, in RTD’s perspective, and it seems like the newtwork as well, this is the end of the revival series, with that in mind i do love the main character finally getting a happily ever ever. also it clears up a lot and makes everything fresh for Ncuti. it feels like the show kinda went so we traumatized the main character too much now we need to cut them in half and have one half literally settle down and heal and the other revamp the series
This is such a great special!!! The previous two specials just felt like another episode of DW, but THIS really felt like a special encompassing 60 years of the franchise on top of teasing us of what's to come in the future! Love all the nods, references and easter eggs and really digging Ncuti Gatwa as the 15th Doctor from the start (giving me Matt Smith vibes).
So Melanie Bush (or just Mel) is a companion from the 6th Doctor (Colin Baker) and 7th Doctor (Sylvester McCoy) era, although I must say she's so much better here and I'm sure Bonnie Langford is having such a great time coming back to new who. So glad to see her again!:)
Anyways, totally looking forward to more Ncuti during the Christmas special and for the years to come!:)
Btw I miss your Dalek mug 😢
Amy lives out her life in the past with Rory.
Clara is saved & travels in her own Tardis with Ashildr.
Bill becomes an Immortal Pilot & travels the universe with Heather.
Mel is a 6th + 7th Doctor companion, and it seems like she - and possibly others - may be involved in a potential UNIT spin-off.
12:43 I mean it's Doctor Who, they established long ago that all the Doctors are actually flying around anywhere in space and time and they just don't always meet, but sometimes they do (Day of the Doctor, etc). 14 and 15 are just another set we know are flying around all time and space somewhere. Technically River Song is still out there, just not the one that goes to the Library.
This episode really spiced up my life
7:38 Unless the Angels touch you TWICE, which you won't probably know anyway since it's in an episode that's part of the Flux arc.
Ncuti got the undies and tie... so clearly David is going commando in the final battle :D
All I could think about!!
Was 14 wearing two white shirts before bigenerating?
@@Swenglish Yes, an undershirt and a dress shirt.
Mel was the Companion to Six and Seven! I hope we see her again some day.
Great first impression from Ncuti, he seems fun. I haven't been this excited for Doctor Who in a long time. The first episode of the specials felt like good old Doctor Who and by the end of the special it feels so fresh and new and that's great because for a while Doctor Who felt stale and stuck in the past. There are few quirks I don't like about the production but those are minor details but otherwise this was absolutely great.
Also the Bi-generation feels like set-up for a spin off.
I am not familiar with Ncuti at all, and Matt Smith is my favorite Doctor, but the moment Ncuti appeared he took the ball, literally and said "catch up, honey!"
When you pointed up, I thought the playlist would be there.
WELL THAT'S ALL RIGHT THEN!
According to RTD, this bigeneration causes bigenerations of all previous Doctors, creating different universes (I guess) where those Doctors continue their journeys. Curious if that will ever be dealt with or just Davies' flight of fancy.
THANKS for this!!!!
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Yay you picked up in the Everything all at once similarity!!
Clara is traveling around in a TARDIS and will have to eventually come back to the moment of her death and die.
Two heads are better then one.😂😂
Mel travelled with the sixth and seventh Doctor's.
I always knew he was two faced.😂😂
I bet when 14 regenerates he will go back to the moment of the bi generation and become ncuti
Love ncutis Scottish glad he kept it
Ncuti is still 15 like David is 10 and 14
"There's gonna be two Doctors travelling about space and time"
It's... it's a time travel show, hun. All the Doctors are always travelling about at once, all the time.
Yeah but there’s only one personal timeline, now there are two. Oh sorry my math is wrong, now there’s at least 15+ independent timelines that will just continue to multiply until everyone in the universe is a Doctor
@@domsquared9878 Hahaha.
I wonder how many seasons are they putting in streaming 🧐
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Wish, you use the dalek mug. EXTERMINATE!!!
Im just imagining Big Finnish salivating at the fact that Bi-Gereation is a thing now so they can make like a 30 hr audio book about the lore a about it. And I can't wait for it.
As for the Bi-generation itself, i like it, but I also feel as if it's a bit of a cop out. Like the 15th doctor is still the same doctor as the 14th, so he is still running from taking a break. Doesn't the 15th also have the same trauma as 14 and below?
Just feels like a cheap way of getting the doctor to end his journeys, but not really. Neat idea, cheap execution.
All that said, I'm excited to see this new Doctor. Hopefully, the stories will be on point. Or at least will have a better hit to fail ratio.
Russell T Davies and deus ex machina. Name a more iconic duo...
I joke. I can actually totally accept the bigeneration - "rehab out of order" like Ncuti said. It's like I see 15 as having physically manifested out of that bigeneration, but mentally... he has the memories and recovery that 14 is yet to have. The recovery is definitely implied, the memories not so much. But, y'know, timey-wimey stuff.
My personal wish is that both the Doctors and TARDISes should eventually have to recombine to justify 15 having that recovery and memories - like... it echoes back through time when they recombine in some future story. But that's just wishful thinking right now.
I'd also love to see a short scene somewhere of 14 using a hammer and non-sonic screwdriver to install a wheelchair ramp in his "old" version of the TARDIS, 'cause I think that would be cute. That and maybe he installs the jukebox as a gift to 15 and again... echoes out of place in time, rehab out of order, timey-wimey stuff.
I think the hand grabbing the gold tooth is Missy.
Mel was the companion to the 6st and 7th doctors
6th. Sorry but 6st? (Sounds like a cyst.)
To see the original toymaker you will have to find the animations cause only episode 4 remains
This isn't Ten, though; this is Fourteen. (Although, of course, he is all the previous Doctors, Ten included, but so is Fifteen.)
So many thoughts
Ok
1) 3 specials fabulous on the whole so happy Donna and 14 got a non-tragic happy ending
2) Kate was wearing red nail polish 💅
3) Did not know what to expect from Ncuti but I am EXCITED after this episode!
4) bigeneration 😬 well this is the second time Tennant has been able to escape dying in some way as the human version of 10 also got to live with Rose.
Like the idea that he needed to become 10 again to heal however, Russell T Davies has since said that bigeneration now happened to EVERY Doctor when they died so ALL of them are once again alive in a sliver of time. This is unnecessary because the doctor is a TIME TRAVELLER, meaning he and she can already be alive simultaneously. We saw this very thing in the 50th anniversary when 13 doctors travelled to a singular point in time and space to time lock Gallifrey during the Time War and at several other points during modern and classic who.
This adds a whole new level to the Doctor's power creep in a wholly unnecessary way that adds nothing to the actual story
Sorry but where did RTD say that?
@@Tyler-zx7xnon the commentary of him, Tennant and Phil Collinson watching the Giggle on Iplayer. He specifically mentioned he loves imagining that now there’s a Fifth Doctor that gets left behind on Androzani when Six and Peri fly off. Which I don’t. I actually hate that I don’t know why he said that every doctor has now bigenerated
@@domsquared9878 exactly. Totally unnecessary because... Like I say.... They time travel so they are all always "alive"
@@jpblack2148 yeah the Fourteen/Fifteen bi-gen I’m not loving (unless it’s made explicit that Fourteen eventually does fully regenerate into Fifteen or they are now the Curator and can flick between all prior incarnations) regardless, I can get right with that specific occurrence. The whole every Doctor did it thing is just utterly bizarre to me and I cannot comprehend why he thinks that’s cool or interesting at all, my opinion couldn’t be more at odds with him. Not only does it cheapen regeneration as a concept but it also cheapens the reason why Doctor Who is so about change. It’s not about change biologically, like it’s a fact of it’s existence, it became that BECAUSE of regeneration. Take that away and it’s all a bit stupid. I pray he leaves that firmly in his mind and never brings it out again.
@@domsquared9878 How would he fully regenerate into Fifteen when Fifteen is already there?
I wonder if the “retired” Doctor retro-generates through his previous faces, and eventually becomes the Curator from Day of the Doctor
14 will eventually die and turn into 15.
@@thelazygamer1639what do the rest of the bigenerated doctors do?
@@domsquared9878 They will also eventually die and become who they were meant to.
@@thelazygamer1639 but they already did that the first time they each regenerated
im glad you'll be reacting to the christmas special! i recommend watching some episodes that you have missed if you're not up to watching all of them, there are some hidden gems. (like heaven sent and s10 two parter finale but s10 is solid and you'd meet bill)
Heaven Sent is a must. I don't know what Monica has seen but... Heaven Sent will also contain a very massive spoiler for the preceding episodes. Totally worth it; it works so well as a standalone, but that is big spoiler territory.
I dropped off sometime into Capaldi's run, so I did in fact watch Heaven Sent before the episodes that led up to it because I'd heard it was brilliant... and it was. It's still my favourite episode and probably will be for a long time yet.
Moving images were way before television. But google Stooky Bill or John Logie Baird.
Why u saying ten in the title this is the 14th doctor not 10th 😂
So can 14 still regenerate, after all this?
I’m so excited to see your reaction to this season!! Have you thought about maybe reacting to Alice in Borderland?
I would recommend at least some of Jodi's episodes.
I’m consfused as to how there being 2 doctors and 2 of the same tardis doesn’t break the universe
The universe broke when he did the salt thing in the previous special. Superstitions can now manifest. Bigeneration was a myth. It became real. The Universe couldn't hold the Toymaker before because he's impossible; now it can because the impossible has become possible.
But I'm not entirely sure how bigeneration works, *technically.* It might just be a chronology thing, meaning 15 is technically pulled from later in his personal subjective timeline. Regeneration and time travel combined into one event, and the TARDIS pulling itself from the future (hence the iPod and ramp having been installed, presumably by 14 some time before the other half of the bigeneration happens).
I mean, keep in mind all the *past* Doctors are still in the times they've been to, and they've been to a lot of times, some of which could be the present at any given moment. The Doctor has crossed paths with themselves before.
That was a joke, ik all that
Is Ncuti the first doctor with facial hair?
7 min gang
I’m first ya 😂
People are getting a romantic vibe from the Doctor and the Toymaker that I'm not getting. It seems like an offer of self-sacrifice more than something the Doctor wants. (My take, anyway.)
God, just let Tennant's Doctor die already
GO BACK AND WATCH CAPALD!! DONT BE BASIC
Nice ending to the show i guess.....