Sony RVP-6010QM Multiscan CRT Rear Projection Pro Monitor

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  • Consumer level rear projection TVs cannot compare to the likes of this industrial beast! Extremely expandable, multiscan - light gun compatible, composite, s-video, RGB, component, VGA and HDMI. Is there anything this display can't do!
    / rgb.rob
    Email: rgb-gaming@aussiebroadband.com.au
    Timestamps
    0:00 Introduction
    1:27 Remote controller
    2:30 2 x 10 watt speakers
    2:44 Monitor connections - inputs & outputs
    4:29 Sony IFB expansion system
    5:53 Back side of RVP-6010QM
    7:57 Castor wheels on bottom
    8:16 Partial disassembly and internal inspection
    9:19 Estimated time of production for this model
    10:11 Powering up
    10:35 PAL Master System II @ 60Hz in RGB with light gun
    12:17 NTSC Saturn @ 60Hz in RGB with light gun
    13:28 Saturn RGB high resolution 480i
    14:21 NTSC Dreamcast running VGA with light gun
    16:27 PC Laptop running in various resolutions
    18:42 Sony IFB-FULLHD v3: HDMI 1.4 Input Card with 3D
    19:24 PS3 @ 720P via HDMI
    20:00 PS3 @ 1080P via HDMI
    21:23 Convergence adjustment
    22:30 On Screen Display
    22:59 Remarks
    24:03 Alternatives
    25:27 Disadvantages
    27:36 Advantages
    29:37 Conclusion
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  • @bos7aim
    @bos7aim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Appreciate documenting this rare display, would never knew about it without this review.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thank you for your comment. This is the main reason I started my channel, if nothing else but simply to document noteworthy and unusual CRT displays.

  • @johneygd
    @johneygd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For 1993-1999 this was very ahead of it’s time😁

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wonder what the price was?

  • @aAaAaAaAaA1234567ize
    @aAaAaAaAaA1234567ize ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I keep coming back to this one because it checks so many of my niche boxes

  • @nickwallette6201
    @nickwallette6201 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Can you imagine buying a large-screen projection TV in 1993 with 1280x1024 resolution and refresh rates up to 150Hz (admittedly, I'm sure that's not combinatorial)? I hope there's enough room on the check for the number of digits in that price tag.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The price would be good to know

    • @Wyatt_James
      @Wyatt_James 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Then you plug a VHS VCR into it and watch some moldy tapes

  • @jdla140
    @jdla140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    It will require convergence/readjustment for each scan rate introduced to it. Think of it more like a CRT monitor, than a TV. It will only have been setup for resolutions it has used, but will display anything up to its 93KHZ horizontal scanrate. It is very likely a modified Sony VPH-1272Q, it's supported scanrates are identical. Unfortunately, it does only have 8" ES focused CRT's. Due to the size of the guns and the fact that they are not EM focus, after 720P sharpness will fall of drastically. 1080I will look best on it, and is what I would use. 8" ES guns just aren't going to have the dot size or phosphor real estate to resolve more than 720 lines vertically, this is why 1080I was the only supported resolution on most all RP CRT's (most all had P16 ES CRT's). It would be really cool to feed this thing 1080i 120HZ, if you could find a way to do so. But honestly, aside from the fact that it is multiscan, it's really not that much better than a late RP CRT TV. 1600 lines of horizontal resolution was common on top end models by the end of production, lens and screen technology got much, much better as time went on, and most will have some form of digital input out of the box.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I do appreciate your input. Im going dabble a little more into crt projection systems. One caveat is the domestic rear projection often carry "100hz" processing (widescreen models moreso), this does not work well with old low resolution 240p video output consoles. "100hz" is dire for old game consoles at low res, 100hz direct view crt tvs often have a fixed horizontal scan rate of 31khz, rather than being multiscan, the tv upscales the old consoles 240p 15khz signal which introduces lag and aritifacts to the picture, this also disables light gun use. Add to that fact that it is quiet rare to find rear projection unit in Australia with scart for analogue RGBS support which many old consoles use makes the pro model in the video (it handles 240p/15khz and accepts analogue RGBS)much more capable than most consumer level units.

    • @jdla140
      @jdla140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rgbrob yeah multiscan is cool for retro gaming use. I'm not familiar with PAL stuff, but in the US there was only 1 model that was HD and light gun compatible, it was a panasonic from 2000 or so. I forget the model number, but it was able to scan at 480i/240p in gamemode, and it also had native 720p support.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jdla140 Rear pro is an area that im going to explore more now.

  • @sullah1986.
    @sullah1986. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    First time seen such a beast, great job 👍

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! Cheers!

  • @Scarflix
    @Scarflix ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent vid!

  • @PapiFed
    @PapiFed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this very extensive presentation. Gret video as always !

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My pleasure!

  • @LittleSaint425
    @LittleSaint425 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for making the video. The TV is beautiful.

  • @net_news
    @net_news 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    what a beautiful beast!! Ideal for retro gaming, love how games look!!

  • @deckofcards87
    @deckofcards87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sweet find!! I kind of miss the look of these old rear projection sets very soft and subtle

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good way to say it, they are a bit soft visually, 50" Daytona USA rear projection cabinets were a sight to behold when the game was new.

  • @LucasDaRonco
    @LucasDaRonco ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So, it's a bigger, weightier, less performing, overcomplicated, more power hungry CRT TV with a huge price tag... and 720W, that's crazy!
    It's incredible how far we've evolved tech nowadays that a 65" miniLED/QLED/OLED screen will use only around ~400W MAX but most of the time will be using way less than that (especially OLEDS that can completely turn off pixels).... all of this with 120hz 4k resolution, HDR, surround sound, etc.

  • @Ll3maFN
    @Ll3maFN ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd love to have one of these one day, looks very nice

  • @zenodyssey
    @zenodyssey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you very much for share your findings and reviewing this tv! IFS expansion cards are also interesting. Playing dc the house of the dead 2 on this tv definitely recreate the arcade experience (or better than arcade since this is a 60” which is larger than 40” used in the arcade, and higher resolution too!), and this tv (500watts!?) could also functioned as a domestic heater to warm up game room, especially in cold winter days like today.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indeed

  • @uzggshw9183
    @uzggshw9183 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good shit rob.

  • @tremorist
    @tremorist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This needs a tube alignment to be tweaked to perfection.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Once tweaked in would be a sight to behold.

  • @lemagreengreen
    @lemagreengreen ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Monster. Never saw any of these rear projection TV's or monitors, always wondered about them though and they seemed a lot more common in the USA. Guess people just didn't have big enough houses for them here :)

  • @shermanmacoy
    @shermanmacoy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job

  • @Chiavaccio
    @Chiavaccio ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool video👏👍

  • @aAaAaAaAaA1234567ize
    @aAaAaAaAaA1234567ize 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I need as many of these types of things in my life
    I want to get extremely intimate with these rare models out there and see what i can come up with on my own

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you lived in Australia I could have pointed you to a similar one a couple months ago for sale.

    • @aAaAaAaAaA1234567ize
      @aAaAaAaAaA1234567ize 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I dont but i greatly appreciate the sentiment

  • @austinbenson5451
    @austinbenson5451 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ah man when I was a kid I had one of those in my room, played a lot of Mario cart on that beast!

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your mates from school must have been impressed to have seen it!

    • @austinbenson5451
      @austinbenson5451 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rgbrob yes and you could only play it for an hour or 2 before it turned my room into a sauna lol

  • @sierraboney1394
    @sierraboney1394 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A friend of mine got hold of the presumably newer version of this TV a few years ago. I think Sony called it a "presentation monitor" and it was multisync. It was LCD rear projection though, so was somewhat smaller and lighter. It was 50" 4:3, we used it to replace the screen in an Outrun 2 deluxe arcade cabinet. The original was a Toshiba CRT rear projection monitor receiving VGA. I think the original monitor worked, but had a huge amount of burn in and had already been disabled and replaced with a 16:9 Wells Gardner flat panel. These days I probably would've retubed it and replaced the fresnel lens etc. but we decided to replace it completely which meant stripping the cabinet bare and fitting the Sony inside. It almost fit but we had to cut about 1/4 of an inch off one side of the Sony's case, which seemed really wrong but it had to be done! Once it was in and all back together though the picture looked absolutely amazing, probably how the machine looked when it was new with a brand new crt rear projection monitor! I kept the crt chassis, crt's and other parts, so I can use them with replacement crt's in another 50" deluxe machine if I get one with a dead monitor.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yours was probably the Sony KL-X9200M (50" rear projection LCD). This model appears in the Sony General Display Catalogue of 2000. Whereas the the 6010QM model I review makes its last appearance in the catalogue of 1999. Like you have deduced, the KL-9200M likely the successor to the 6010QM.
      You did the best you could do with what you had and knew at the time. Great that the transplant worked in the outrun2 machine.
      Worth hanging to those parts in case you do come across another machine. Thanks for your story.

  • @eduardoraga8590
    @eduardoraga8590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That looks great... and heavy as hell

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      200kg or 440 pounds

  • @TheRealJPhillips
    @TheRealJPhillips 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. 👍🏾💯

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching

  • @mumfnah
    @mumfnah 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Nice review. Wouldn't fit that telly in my place though, would be half hanging over my TV bench.
    Those swappable input slots are interesting though, haven't seen those before I don't think. If could have a SCART one, that and the HDMI would be great for the range of consoles could hook up.
    Interesting set, doubt I'll ever actually get to use one myself

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      all good mate, we will get you the RVP-4010, 40" benchtop version for your place to fit just right.

  • @draggonhedd
    @draggonhedd ปีที่แล้ว +2

    absolutely gorgeous.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like your taste

    • @draggonhedd
      @draggonhedd ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rgbrob CRTs and CRT projectors are a thing of beauty, and i love sony's old industrial design. It all comes together haha

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@draggonhedd Im hoping to ad more CRT projectors and Sony industrial design over the course of the next few months...

  • @joelsdiy9469
    @joelsdiy9469 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s a beauty. If I owned it would probably end up with its own room in my house…lol

  • @2tailedfox711
    @2tailedfox711 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a beast!

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      2nd only to the beastly 2 tailed fox.

  •  ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Welcome to the Analog world of Sony.

  • @Random.Walker.
    @Random.Walker. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Legend says that he broke three Hydraulic Hand Pallet Truck before ended up using 10 ton diesel forklift.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank goodness it has wheels at least

  • @johnn.4407
    @johnn.4407 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My Sony KP-61HS20 stills works great!

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome, glad to hear its going strong!

  • @eddieshirely1462
    @eddieshirely1462 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I still run the Sony g90 projector. with a little tweakin its Very impressive. Find yourself a lumagen video Prosessor. And run a blue ray player into the lumagen and then into your moome hdmi card. And you will be Amazed what can be accomplished.

  • @MOS6582
    @MOS6582 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Constructive feedback: Some of the gameplay shots are overexposed which reduces the scanline definition and contrast and washes out the colour accuracy. If your camera can have its exposure pulled down without messing with the stable vsync it will sharpen them up and show off the CRT dynamic range. /nitpicking
    This mammoth is a cool thing and hopefully it will let you dial it in to its full potential and isn’t just too tired. I’d watch the hell out of a video of HalfLife2 at 1600x1200.
    Gotta say though that while most 90s pro Sony gear is pretty sleek and clean, this model looks like a stage prop someone’s dad made for the local theatre group😬/nitpicking2
    Keep up the RGB Rob 2.0 content. This video could kick off the rear projector renaissance. Reckon it will save a few from being trashed👍

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for the camera tip. My camera is fairly new, Sony zv-e10, ill do my best to optimise its settings for the future. Rear projection renaissance, i like it.

    • @MOS6582
      @MOS6582 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Googled your camera, it looks very adjustable. Quick starting point would be full manual movie mode, frame rate 50/60fps depending on pal/ntsc source, shutter speed to whatever gives the least rolling bars, ISO100, aperture in the middle of its range.
      Turn on the Zebra pattern and it will show you if bright areas are being over exposed.
      Close the aperture down more if highlights are too bright and triggering the zebra pattern. If highlights are too bright even with aperture closed all the way, lower the CRTs output.
      Or if things are too dark and the highlights are nowhere close to triggering the zebra pattern, open the aperture until the highlights are just under triggering the zebra.
      If things are still too dark, increase the ISO. Watch out for image noise though if you have to boost the ISO a lot.

  • @Neodestro
    @Neodestro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice stuff

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the visit

  • @NickGoblin
    @NickGoblin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My dad somehow got his hands on one of these for me when I was a kid. I really enjoyed playing games on it, but it had to go when I started having nightmares of it falling on me lol.

    • @NickGoblin
      @NickGoblin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He had to take it apart to even fit it through the door. This thing was and still is a beast.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Your Dad is a great showing such respect for CRT.

    • @theantiveganchannel3596
      @theantiveganchannel3596 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rgbrob I still got my CRT 16:9 34" has the HDMI port on it still useful for watching so called "hd" cable TV
      my definition of HD is different then spectrum cables it's more like 540p then 720 or 1080i

  • @PixelReality1
    @PixelReality1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Просто Царь, просто Его Величество и Мистер Вселенная для Ретро задрота.
    Ещё одна хотелка записана :)

  • @itchy.tasty.
    @itchy.tasty. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you had those in the 90s you were rich. That was the general consensus.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Especially a professional model like this, somewhere in the vicinity of 5 figures for surely.

  • @redneckbryon
    @redneckbryon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Something to think about, when it comes to the 60-Inch and it's baby brother the 40-Inch.
    You never know, there could be tons of these stored in basements or warehouses of many different companies around the world.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      One can hope!

  • @hyakin7818
    @hyakin7818 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    we have one of these in our arcade for a skiing game
    convergence was completely off

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They always ended up looking like shite in the arcade rear pro didnt they?

  • @Maisonier
    @Maisonier ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about INPUT LAG in this monitor? You are so lucky dude. Here in South America (Argentina) that kind of technology never arrived. I can't even buy a small PVM CRT... the lack of technology on this part of the world still has me stunned. Great video. Liked & subscribed.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your comment, keep searching, you will find something.

  • @WillOnSomething
    @WillOnSomething 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've seen monitors built into pelican cases before, but I've never seen a monitor with a built-in pelican case :O

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol

  • @CaseTheCorvetteMan
    @CaseTheCorvetteMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Turn up the blue level, the light guns only see blue. Have a look on my video i have a demo of how they work, using a 125" screen with a Barco CRT. The gun is out of alignment due to the fact you haven't adjusted the phase on the set.
    CRT rear projections dead set blow direct views away, you just need to know what you're doing to set them up correctly. Often what you're seeing in an arcade is not correctly calibrated, and has been flogged with constant repeating images then wear tubes unevenly.
    This projection unit is pretty near the same as a Sony 1272-QM front projector, and those CRTs in that model are 8", the 7" claimed by Sony is the actual useable tube face area. The lenses are different, tubes are the same, flyback board is the same, there is only two transformers on those boards. They go into a splitter.
    Before you go thinking the rear projections can't align convergence perfectly across the screen, you need to learn what you're doing, it is fairly obvious you haven't done much of this before. You need to create and save an input for every single different resolution and different frequency. Convergence is then set on each of these inputs. There is a number of settings for alignment you need to adjust, convergence is down after the initial geometry is set on the green.
    That set will never resolve 1080p, it'll display it fine, but no hope in hell it will resolve that with those 8" ES focus tubes. It'll be quite soft. 1080i would be better.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wow many great tips! I did come across your channel while doing some research and saw your vid with the cine9 and duck hunt, great stuff!
      I have had very little experience with projection in the past as you can see. Good to know the equivalence to the 1272QM or thereabouts.
      Are you going to make more projector videos?

    • @CaseTheCorvetteMan
      @CaseTheCorvetteMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rgbrob possibly mate yeah, i've not had much time of late, but i will get back into it one day soon.
      The last video i put up probably surprised a lot of people on what the light guns really do see

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CaseTheCorvetteMan I do wonder though about the guncons because they plug not only into the console but also tap into the composite video line of the playstation unlike the nes zapper, master system light phaser etc. Makes me think the guncons operate differently to the others?

    • @CaseTheCorvetteMan
      @CaseTheCorvetteMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rgbrob no there is no difference, the NES Zapper works the same way, but the console works differently in how it detects what has been hit. The rest all work the same as the Guncon, sync is not supplied via the controller ports on the Playsation consoles, but is on some others. They essentially ignore red completely, and green has little to no impact on performance.
      In the case of the 3DO, the gun games almost all have an option to swap screen flash between white and blue, and swapping that setting has absolutely no impact on gun performance at all.
      I have done that same test on a few different guns using other CRT projectors, i have a heap of them here, NEC XG, NEC PG, Sony VPH 1001-QM, and the Panasonic Tau GIGA rear projection TV, all give the same result.
      The Barco Cine 9 is currently the only one set up, the NEC XG is installed but i haven't calibrated that one since i repaired it, and it'll be getting moved soon.
      I have run my Lethal Enforcers arcade board on the NEC projectors with no issues, apart from the fact you tend to get a bit tired after going through the game due to how much you're moving to aim at things on such a big screen.
      Essentially what you want for guns on ANY display, direct or projection, is the brightness should be set correctly so blacks are black, and contrast should be set correctly so there is no blooming, if blue drive can be adjusted it should be set a little higher if there is any issue with corner accuracy, and wind down the blue cut-off so it doesn't turn a black screen blue.
      That Sony will have a significant amount of adjustment settings for geometry and convergence, as well as white balance and grey scale. There is also very likely to be a dynamic brightness setting in there somewhere, this should OFF, it'll try to reduce the peaks of full white, amongst other things you don't want it to do, like limit static contast ratio, it is there to prevent massive changes in brightness of the image, which is the last thing you want when playing games.

    • @CaseTheCorvetteMan
      @CaseTheCorvetteMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rgbrob if you lived close enough Rob i could come round and spend a few hours showing you how to calibrate that set to be about as good as it can get, and i think you'd be blown away by the difference. Been a few years since i've set up a Sony but they're not the worst i've ever done. Having said that nothing comes close to an NEC for geometry and convergence when it comes to CRT projection, NEC had by far the best beam control in the bussiness. Even the almighty Barco Cine 9 can't hold a candle to an NEC XG at resolutions up to about 1024x768, by 1600x1200 the Barco starts to take the lead due to tube size, and brightness is better on the bigger 9" tubes too.

  • @chopinhoven
    @chopinhoven ปีที่แล้ว

    this tv from the future,
    thank you for the review.

  • @SuperAgentman007
    @SuperAgentman007 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That particular monitor isn’t really meant for video games due to image burn. That’s why I stopped using the one I had The new monitor I have has a game setting in the menu

  • @beaumotplage
    @beaumotplage ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's my picture of a Final Fight arcade PCB on a Toshiba 43VJ33Q at 26:26 and that was about 1 day after I got my first rear-projection CRT and before I'd figured out how to calibrate it (or take a decent photograph that doesn't look saturated). So I think it's unfair to use it as an example of a these displays looking inferior 'to CRT' - which is a broad term anyway - there's a huge range of quality of conventional CRTs and these should be up there with broadcast CRTs if calibrated properly. I'd like to think my videos show they can look lovely for 15kHz. You don't get uniform brightness, but they don't photograph well and if you stare straight at them, they should look pretty-much perfect - mine do. There's no dot-pitch to worry about either - the convergence and focusing is really what dictates the resolution limitations (well, that and the hardware scan rate). That monitor will almost certainly have a grid-mode somewhere where you can converge sections of the screen independently, but it's doing very well at 1080p considering the age of the components. Interesting video anyway, you never see multisync RPTVs over here in the UK, just projectors.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว

      Good to hear your experience with RP. I do intend to follow up more in this area to get to the experience to make better judgement. I loved seeing that picture of your Final Fight pcb hook up to the Toshiba.

  • @riggel8804
    @riggel8804 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It goes without saying that one if it's strengths is the massive size. Playing couch co-op Time Crisis or Street Fighter would be amazing. I think you would quickly forget about the corner convergence once the adrenaline hits.
    Imagine trying to play tg16 with those short controller cords. Your neck would hurt in the morning from looking up.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great for co-op.

    • @mikeg2491
      @mikeg2491 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In high school my friend’s grandparents had a 50” projection TV and when they went to bed we’d sneak in and hook up my modded Xbox and play guilty gear and street fighter on it, we’d have to be careful because his granddad would ream us a new one if he knew since they thought video games would burnin the screen. It’s weird as TVs get larger nowadays they still feel smaller at even the largest sizes, I think having that extra vertical height and the bulk from the platform created an illusion of screens being bigger than they actually were.

    • @riggel8804
      @riggel8804 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mikeg2491 Forbidden fruit tastes better.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mikeg2491 Nice, getting in trouble would havr added extra thrill to the experience

  • @kevinkev1530
    @kevinkev1530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍🏾

  • @Lachlant1984
    @Lachlant1984 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is an interesting topic. I'm sure I actually read in the user's guide for a few NES games that you should not use a NES with a front or rear projection TV due to the risk of image burn in.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats right. Nintendo stills warns about it even to this day on their website:
      www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/general/hook_projectiontvs.jsp
      I found another link a few weeks back on another official Nintendo website specifically warning about nes, snes & n64 use on projections systems.

    • @Lachlant1984
      @Lachlant1984 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rgbrob What's interesting about that page is that Nintendo claim that have no information about how image retention affects plasma TV sets, and yet it's well known that under the wrong circumstances, Plasma TVs can have terrible issues with image retention, I've seen it a bit myself.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Lachlant1984 LOL i know, silly Nintendo, like they've only just come into the 2000's when plasma was new. I remember leaving my Plasma tv on overnight accidentally with "HDMI1" on screen the whole time. Took a long time for that to disappear if it actually ever did...

    • @Lachlant1984
      @Lachlant1984 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rgbrob I remember hearing on a radio program that when you first buy a plasma TV, you should use the TV with the brightness set to a lower level for the first few hundred hours of use, supposedly that minimises the affects of image retention because the panel has, burnt in, if you like. Maybe I'm wrong.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Lachlant1984 Wouldnt surprise me, it has been said about getting a professional to your house to calibrate a panel but to first "wear in" for a few hundred hours.

  • @superbn0va
    @superbn0va 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should checkout the HZ2000 oled tv from Panasonic. It has all the modern plus old inputs like component en composites! It upscales amazing with low input lag.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds fantastic, good old oled.

    • @superbn0va
      @superbn0va 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rgbrob it’s not old, it’s from 2021. HZ2000 and JZ2000 are both new oled tvs. JZ2000 even has hdmi 2.1

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@superbn0va sorry just a turn phrase 'good old' this or 'good old' that lol

  • @YavNe
    @YavNe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy sh**!! How the resolution on an atari game(or an even older game console) looks that damn good?!

  • @TheRealJPhillips
    @TheRealJPhillips 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cant tell u how it hurts my heart to see these randomly sitting in an alley somewhere or on the curb for trash pic up.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hopefully a few more will be saved after this video.

  • @jelaniobamyersel2339
    @jelaniobamyersel2339 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a vintage Sony LCD projection TV model number KF-WE 610.(2003). In great condition I can hook up my DVD player to it the picture in the sound quality is great. My problem is that I can I get no programs to come in all I get is static.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh so you cant tune in TV stations? Your tv may only have a analogue tuner and cannot tune in digital transmissions that we now have these days. In this case, there would be nothing wrong with your tv, you would need to use a set top box to TV now.

  • @moxheeuk2671
    @moxheeuk2671 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Think my dad's was a Philips but it was encased in a wood frame. It was put in and sold with the house 🤣

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol sounds like the house was built around the tv forever trapping it inside.

    • @moxheeuk2671
      @moxheeuk2671 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rgbrob how many toes and fingers where claimed to these behemoths??? Atleast 5

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@moxheeuk2671 You'd have to ask the transport guy who shifted it from Sydney to Melbourne, he may very well be missing a few fingers

  • @Zebra66
    @Zebra66 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Sony G90 crt projector is easily the best crt image of any crt device ever made. It's superior to any of their pro monitors, including the BVMs (in both image quality and functionality). It will natively display anything from 240p to 1080p without scaling. It really is the ultimate retro-gaming display.
    7" crt projectors are no comparison to any of the 9" models. You are talking $5k-$20k devices vs $50k projectors (in the late 90's when that was a lot of money...)
    The G90 stands up extremely well next to today's quality 4k projectors and pisses all over modern entry-level 4k projectors.

  • @voltz15
    @voltz15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should show this to Phonedork
    He's gonna have such a hard on that he wouldn't have enough blood flow to the brain to appreciate what he's watching.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Looks like hes been out of making videos on youtube for awhile. You should let him know about this video, might refire up his passion to make more crt vids.

  • @v1deo.hunter.d317
    @v1deo.hunter.d317 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Id love to have one of these big 4:3 rear projection tvs but they are way too heavy

  • @Gamez4eveR
    @Gamez4eveR 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Oh, these are a glorious pain in the ass, just like normal CRT projectors! Walk with a step slightly too heavy, and you'll put those lenses out of alignment lol

    • @DoubleMonoLR
      @DoubleMonoLR 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      To be fair, they were generally intended to be permanently mounted.

  • @Retroflex01
    @Retroflex01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Weighs more than my car

  • @invisi-bullexploration2374
    @invisi-bullexploration2374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey... Unrelated to the TV do you know in House of the Dead 2 at 15:25 if the game allows you to herp-a-derp and shoot the guy driving the car?

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol i dont think you can shoot him

  • @mello_man
    @mello_man ปีที่แล้ว +2

    On the consumer side what would you recommend for HD crt or rear projection tvs with hdmi / componet input that can go up too 720p or 1080i ?

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't know the answer yet...I'm working on it...

    • @mello_man
      @mello_man ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Whenever you can figure that out it Would be great. Of course patience and rumbling through the internet and From your own personal experience is going to take quite allot of time ,thought and man power. I love the content keep up the good work you inspire newbies like me to get into things like these and really learn something About various Tvs and panel displays

  • @aAaAaAaAaA1234567ize
    @aAaAaAaAaA1234567ize 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you know of any good resources for familliarizing myself with the different models and manufacturers of these late 90's early 2000's industrial monitors?
    Im a bit of a freak for the tech and i want to be more informed

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not rear projection I don't. Not even sure any other manufacturers made professional grade rear projection monitors. Rear projection tvs yes, plenty of these around but Pro level rear projection monitors very little. There is a model number from NEC, NEC GR67, i found the model but couldnt actually find any pictures or other references to the unit.

  • @Planeta-Shelezyaka
    @Planeta-Shelezyaka 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    тож думал купить подобную "дуру", ток не мог придумать зачем. а вот световой пистолет это хороший повод

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      привет мой русский брат. световой пистолет хороший.

    • @Planeta-Shelezyaka
      @Planeta-Shelezyaka 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sorry my australian comrade))) when i post something i mostly do it in russian because no one reads my posts. But not at this time. Thanks for the answer. I am new to rgb. Yesterday, after I saw this video, I connected my PS2 via Scart-RGB to my Sony KV-32FD1K for the first time. the first little step in my long rgb path (i hope). I subscribed and will follow your channel.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Planeta-Shelezyaka thank you, experimenting with your consoles is the best way to learn.

  • @XannY_Designs
    @XannY_Designs ปีที่แล้ว +2

    sounds like dankpods

  • @SuperAgentman007
    @SuperAgentman007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your Monitor was made in 2000 I had one

  • @mrtay14
    @mrtay14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you seen Intercity Gearhouse Xmas video 1996 and Intercity Gearhouse - Lucy in the AV Sky? Straight jokes.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว

      lol what the?! You were not joking. Looks like a CRT projector at 2:20 mark in the Lucy in the AV Sky.

    • @mrtay14
      @mrtay14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like the credits to themselves at the end of the Xmas video.
      Very high production 😉

  • @israelgonzalezabrego3551
    @israelgonzalezabrego3551 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wich rear tv do you consider the best that you had ever see?

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว

      Haven't seen many to be honest, the Hitachi RPTV review here on my channel is very good.

    • @israelgonzalezabrego3551
      @israelgonzalezabrego3551 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rgbrob Ok thanks for your answer

  • @doltBmB
    @doltBmB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the scanrate is impressive but it looks like the dot pitch is not nearly enough to make full use of these higher resolutions, so why bother? it'll look much better on the smaller res

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      720p was still decent but going beyond might be too much

  • @TwitterPaulsVersion
    @TwitterPaulsVersion 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What year was it made?

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Between 1993 to 1999 by my best estimate

  • @johnsimun6533
    @johnsimun6533 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you check the layers of the screen to see if they were flush? Or try to adjust the bottom and top?
    You said that the alignment when pointed your aim was to the left. According to the design of the circuitry, with three crt’s being projected. Could it be that it was it automatically aligned with the crt on the left?
    With this being what it is. 4k and UHD are not even close to crt technology. In the bedroom, UHD or 4k can be mounted at the foot of the bed. Using an 1080p would result in seeing undesirable effects when an larger screen would be used. The smaller the screen, the sharper the image would become. That projection image would benefit from being away from the bed, and in a larger bedroom. You was correct about it being in the bedroom tho. When I was young, I had a water bed and in the winter, I would turn it up all the way, and I would not turn the heat up as much because of the bed producing so much heat. With my door open all the time and ceiling fans going all year. The heat would circulate out. On the opposite side of my home it would get a little cool certain times, especially if I stayed up later. It was a good bed time reminder in the winter. As summer time came around, I turned it halfway down then unplugged it. Nobody understood nor now understands a cold water bed. But it would absorb some of heat cooling my bedroom, and I would not need to cool my home as much. Of course if I spent more time in a part of the house, and it was too cool or hot. I would adjust the thermostat accordingly. It just wouldn’t take as much.
    Presently I have a 52 inch ccfl television in my bedroom (13 x 13 feet), I definitely feel the heat from it. I can’t imagine what heat those old school plasmas, produced.
    Is this going to be important or collectible in the future? If I had a choice I would A) If I had a collection. I would, clean and adjust it where it is as perfect as possible keeping it as it left the factory, while collecting the other boards and accessories for it. Where I could demonstrate every possible setup for it. I would even get different models where I could connect them together and if I ran across the same model if I could get another set of cards. Where if the same card was needed for an particular setup, I would have them. With different models, they could be placed in different spots that would be better. You mentioned that they were probably used for displays like at conventions. If there was another room that was smaller adjacent to the hall. An smaller unit would result in not taking as much room up, and less heat produced in the smaller room. If someone was looking at this, it would not be only as you have it. They would have the whole setup for every settings they have and will have later.
    B) I would not drill or mar it at all. I would clean and adjust it as good as possible. If somehow polishing the reflector would distribute the brightness better, if not leave it. Then I would build a platform and place a racing seat on rails. And invest into a good, gaming steering wheel setup. Where this could be slid into the slot and an driving game could be played. If a port around the feet was designed into it. Heat could be wafted around the feet of who would play, emulating heat from the engine. I would also build a box sort of like a shooting range. Where there would be a table for the accessories to be placed and an custom mount for all of the accessories to be stored when not being used. Finally I would build another box like one of those portable picture boxes that people put money in and then friends crowd inside and get their pictures taken. So there would be a seat, place to sit the accessories being used along with a drink or whatever, and brackets for when the accessories are not being used.
    Now with a PC along with several consoles this could be one bad a** gaming setup. CRT screens are still the best especially for vintage gaming, especially with 60 inches. If someone later was interested in purchasing my gaming setup. It would be versatile and worth more. Especially if you have the skills to build it yourself.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Someone pointed out that brightness of the blue crt is important for accurate light gun detection. This is especially important for light gun detection around the edges of the screen.
      Several of these monitors can be linked up to one another. A special 'index' card can be inserted into an expansion slot of each rear projection unit to give each unit a unique ID. One remote can be used to control several units with the index system in place.
      I too, wouldn't modify the rear projection unit. It would be best to restore as closely as possible the day it left the factory. In the future I may attempt to get the unit calibrated as good as possible and make a follow up video.
      Thank you for your comment.

    • @johnsimun6533
      @johnsimun6533 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rgbrob you have a beautiful piece their.

  • @user-wl1gp4qc4b
    @user-wl1gp4qc4b 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    不错阿,背投电视玩游戏,就是不懂看MV如何??

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      我的 youtube 频道用于 CRT 电视和带有视频游戏的显示器。没有那么多电影。

  • @retrogamestudios7649
    @retrogamestudios7649 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks like a commercial nightclub unit...u clearly love Nintendo

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I gravitate towards Sega consoles for these videos more because all 4 generations of Sega's main consoles natively output RGB. Where as Nintendo is very hit and miss, Nes - no native rgb, Snes - yes but not the best quality native RGB, N64 no native rgb, Gamecube and onwards yes but component and HDMI take over from here on out.

  • @dr.decker3623
    @dr.decker3623 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you are WAY too close to the tv,.. need to be at least 6 feet for a screen that size for the gun to work properly.

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ill have to try further apart next time.

  • @ghostbombl8034
    @ghostbombl8034 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am surprised that your gun even works,because it needs a curve tv or you need a gun with sensor bars.

  • @coreystill7197
    @coreystill7197 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My fucking buddy still has this TV! He used to be a game tester and end up getting this thing for free. Now it's his main television and it looks stupid. I wish you would get rid of it!!!!

    • @rgbrob
      @rgbrob  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No you've got to make sure he keeps it, too rare to dispose!

  • @mirek190
    @mirek190 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wow ..that retro technology is so obsolete nowadays ... so cute anyways

  • @thomasauslander3757
    @thomasauslander3757 ปีที่แล้ว

    Junk.. not even Homeless wants..

  • @lander77477
    @lander77477 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:48 please don't say "nez" Its called the nintendo, or N.E.S. Nobody ever called it "nez" so theres no need to call it that now

    • @lemagreengreen
      @lemagreengreen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was commonly called the nes in the UK, assume same in Aus.

    • @lander77477
      @lander77477 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lemagreengreen I'm in the USA and we are the only ones that matter