First Look! Bad Boy and Branson Tractors Compact Tractors
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- Large frame 25 horse power compact tractors from Bad Boy and Branson at the National Farm Machinery Show. Tractor Time with Tim and Ken from Bolt on Hooks review and evaluate each tractor.
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So thankful for your incredible comparison work! We enjoyed you visiting with us, and hope to see you more in the future!
Thanks for your time! Enjoyed meeting you!
It would be nice to have tractor time with tim, test a branson on his channel they are nice tractors there is not information on these tractors.
I’m a Kubota guy myself, but honestly when it all comes down to it, it’s all about dealer support and quality after the sale. I’m very fortunate and have very reputable Kubota, New Holland Bad Boy and Deere dealers all within 20min of my house.
YES, it is such a great asset to have Dealer support so close. I am lucky in that way also. Plus I have Large construction repair shops close by. With great universal PARTS inventory
Great comparison video! The left hydro pedal on the Branson would be a super easy mod to bring them closer together...a little more work to bring them lower but still doable. Interesting that the rep stated that Kukje is the parent company of TYM. She said "Let's go Branson" but we really know what she meant!!
I just wanted to chime in on Branson tractors. I've had a Branson 4520r since 2016. Gear drive, 12 forward/reverse. Great tractor. It is heavy, lift capacity is decent, over 2k, and it is super reliable. 1700 hrs and no signs of slowing down. Pulls a heavy 72 bush hog all day in the summer heat, has pulled hundreds of cords of logs and graded many gravel driveways. And hundreds of other uses.
Bransons of this size have one of, if not the tightest turning radius of any tractor. Add the cutting brakes and it will impress you. I have mine setup as wide as possible, with the largest r4 tires I can fit and it out turns smaller tractors. A major plus. As is the low mount fuel tank, over 3k lbs of 3 point lift capacity, the list of pros over the competition go on and on..
Bought my 3725 in 2017. That 12 speed shuttle shift rocks. Plenty of power, no hydro whine all day. A real pleasure to operate.
2400 and 4015 here. No issues high lift capacities.
Let’s go Branson. Almost spit my coffee out. 😂
I love her comment with lets go brandon-- I mean Branson
I was really hoping I wasn’t the only one….. 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😁 yep! Me three!!🇺🇸
Good to see Branson being represented. I’ve had my 3515H for just under a year in my company. It’s plowed snow all over town, done plenty of gravel driveways, mulch deliveries, property cleanups and lifted some ridiculously heavy loads without a single hiccup. As an aside, I prefer the wider pedal spacing. When maneuvering in tight quarters, I don’t find myself hitting the wrong pedal by accident and can do forward/reverse smoothly and effortlessly. I’ve also learned to be completely comfortable with the forward mounted loader control.
Tim and Ken what a pair! Big Kids at heart! Thanks guys for taking us with you!
I have a Kukje engine in a 47 horsepower TYM. I'm extremely pleased with the performance and the simplicity of the engine. They use a Bosch fuel injection pump (no common rail) and it doesn't require complex electronics to operate.
My 474 has been awesome. I have no complaints.
💥 I did not realize Bad Boy and Branson were made by the same company. Thanks for pointing that out!
*Keep on tractoring!*
TYM too which means that NorPower (Northern Tool and Cabelas/Bass Pro) likely are the same as well.
TYM and Branson tractors are still significantly different.
@@TallTexasGMan The Cabelas tractor was made by TYM, Northern Tools is Chinese. TYM also builds several tractors for Mahindra as well as all of the Rural King tractors.
Tim I'm not sure about the newr 2515h model, but the previous model in that size and HP had the exact same engine as their 35hp version. Several videos on YT where ppl removed the governor plate and adjusted them up. Really impressive way to sneak in there, you know.
Mitch, having a hard time with the search for any information about the gov plate adjustment on a 2515. Can you please spoon feed me a link or a google search term? I may want to do this when I am out of warranty. t
I bought the Branson 2515h a little over a year ago and it has been nothing short of incredible. With fluid in the tires I can lift just about anything I want, and with the 3 range transmission there is absolutely zero bogging when in the right gear. Highly recommend to anyone looking in this class of tractor.
China thanks you.
@@assyholey4224 China? They're made in Korea!
@@assyholey4224 That was the most unintelligent, nonsensical, unnecessary comment I have ever read! Don't you even know how to proof read?
@@assyholey4224 South Korea actually which is a strong ally of the U.S.
Awesome! Glad you did finally look at Branson! I have a Branson 7845 - love it - it’s a beast of a machine! It’s a 2018 model, but the engine design was unchanged from prior to 2008 or 2011 ( I don’t recall the cutoff specifically ) so there is no DEF, no DPF - no EGR - no emission clogging pollution controls! It was a great find! Just wish I could use it more! Thanks for the video!
Thanks for showing my 2515h! Great tractor, zero problems with it the short 6 months I've owned it.
The word on the street is that those Kukje engines are modeled after old Cummins engines, and are the most simple engines to work on you can get in any compact tractor. Specifically, the emissions controls/engine controls are stone age simple and can be dealt with at home unlike other brands.
My 2006 Kubota L3130 is a big frame tractor for its horsepower. The rear tires are 16.9 x 24. It has the LA 723 loader. We regularly lift, stack, and move round bales with it. I made a counter weight for the 3 point hitch out of a 55 gallon drum full of concrete. Works well.
Love my 2515h. It's a beast, lifts HEAVY. I live on a steep hill with sand and at times when climbing the hill with a full dump load, 4x4 in sand, the 25hp has to work a little harder than I'd like.......VERY HAPPY with it, great tractor.
I am getting a 3515 Branson with a Cab delivered this week. It was half the cost of the Orange or Green options I priced out and took just a month to get vs 6+ that I was quoted for the others. I’ve got a 1 acre residential property and an another 4 acres of recreational land to care for here in Alaska so it will be interesting to see how it stacks up moving snow this spring.
I have the same tractor I got last summer and have about 50 hours on it and absolutely love it.
Came with 3rd function and 2 rear remotes. I put a land pride grapple on the front and I am amazed at the amount of stuff I can pick up with the loader.
I also put a front end snowblower running off the mid-pto on it and it works great! Snowblower is made by bercomac and was very simple to install. Just have to bolt on 2 mounting plates to pre-existing holes on the tractor then everything else is quick release pin on.
Zero problems and starts up perfect even on the coldest days of the winter so far!
Also used the factory remotes for hydraulic top and tilt cylinders.
The heat and A/C on the cab is great as well!
Only thing I wish they made was a belly mower to keep my large field mowed a little nicer. Obviously can do rear mower but would be nice to be able to have it underneath but not too many tractor this size even have mid-pto let alone a mower deck for it.
Half the cost? BS
@@D70340 I really wanted a 3R Deere with a cab but here in Alaska it is north of $70k optioned out to match my Branson and they were over 6 months out for delivery.
Interesting to see the features and info on other brands. Competition breeds improvements and innovations. Thanks for checking them out and sharing. Blessings.
Greetings Tim! As always great video and information. FYI - I owned a Branson 2400h before I purchased the 1023E I'm currently using and didn't have any major issues with the tractor. Kukje builds a fairly decent machine...albeit minus some of the bells and whistles Deere and Kubota have on their equipment. My complaint with Branson was the dealer network and individual dealer policies regarding working on tractors that were not purchased at their dealership. We lived in Central FL at the time I purchased the 2400h from a dealership near Rome GA., knowing we were soon retiring to Knoxville TN. My issue came to light when the tractor had an intermittent problem with the starter circuit and the various "safety" interlock switches preventing it from starting. The closest dealer to us (Spring City TN.) would not work on it because I did not buy it from them. I called Branson and was told that's permissible within their dealer network. That's all it took to convince me to "upgrade" and go green. However, Branson, Bad Boy, TYM and any other brands that Kukje builds for are decent, entry-level machines for the budget minded tractor buyer.
I've had a Branson 4720I for 11 years, no problems and I love it.
Tim, we could watch Ken and yourself evaluate new equipment 24 hours a day! Great video
Glad to see these "lower" HP tractors on bigger frames. The JD 1 series and BX lines with comparable HP are too lightweight in my opionion
it depends on what you want to do with the tractor... for mowing, lighter is better... for loader work, heavier is better.. something for everyone !!
They're sub-compact, so yes they're light weight, the tractors in this video are NOT sub-compact, they're compact utility tractors....quite a size and weight difference and no comparison to a sub-compact tractor that's meant to be light weight to keep from destroying your lawn.
@@ERICMB24MF37U24F39 Well but then a dedicated mower is far better at it, weighs less, and are generally less expensive. I really don't see why people buy them for mowing.
@@court2379 I bought my 2025R with 60" deck because I wanted a tractor and don't have room for 2 machines. With the mowing I do I'd get maybe 20 hours a year on the tractor.
I enjoy seeing whats out there.
Thanks for introducing us to more manufactures.
Great job with the reviews Tim. Wish we had a show like that on the west coast.
Need one here in DFW. We have the new Kubota proving grounds.
Love the different looks at alternative brands. That big 25 horse Branson is really appealing. If my needs were a little different and had a dealer, I might’ve considered one. You can definitely see the difference in fit and finish between these and the traditional greens and oranges.
I didn't know Branson was still in business, very Interesting and Informative!! As always, thank you Tim and Christy 🙂😎
Love the review. Good to see other brands. That loader is a beast
You two have too much fun together. Great to see
They do seem like about the same tractor.
Thanks for covering it for us
I love my Branson 2515h. The lift capacity is at full height as well.
I really enjoy my Branson 5520CH. My Branson dealer is about 30 minutes away in Caddo Mills, TX. I do have a Bad Boy Rebel zero turn though!
Picked up a Branson last year packaged with 4ft box blade, Tiller, Cutter, Post hole digger, Forks with skid steer attachment for bucket out the door for $19,000.00. Now i have owned John Deere's - Mahindra's in the past. I opted to go with Branson because you can't beet the packaged deal i got from my East Dallas Dealership. I traveled from the Houston area to pick this up. Is the Branson hands down better than my two previous tractors, No. Worth the cost, Yes!
The Branson 2400 is slightly bigger than the 1023E i had. Definitely stronger then the Deere both in lifting and HP. I am pleased with Branson Tractors. Now if they would only send me my hats they promised.
You mean you paid $19K for a couple of hats and all they gave you was a red tractor? Shameful!!! 😂
@@stevescarboro7342 LOL - I never received the hats
@@stevescarboro7342 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Haha I love it tim when you said 2200 is at the pins not the bucket you should of gave him the link to all the tests
You have done on you tube. He didn't argue with that great honest review done by you thanks for sharing
It almost sounded like you were making fun of Kubota for having a treadle pedal, but I know you just meant that Kubota is the one manufacturer that actually got it right. The Bad Boy looks pretty good for what it is, at least it's the right color!
I’ll be getting one, gotta pay off my bad boy rogue 72” zero turn I bought back in the spring that I absolutely love, the neighbors told me it would never cut the 10 acres of field around my house, it went thru it like butter; now I’ve got a 10 acre yard.
Tim, the last few videos when you talked about the loader lift capacity /specs of different bran, I noticed the representative's body language change to a stiff look and avoided the topic like a cat on a hot tin roof lol. Great seeing the videos of the other brands!
As these tractor manufacturers put the sub-25 hp engines in the larger bodies, I wonder if any consider moving back to a gasoline engine in these tractors to allow for higher HP, but still eliminating the need for all the diesel regulations? We always had good luck with the Continental 40 hp engine in our Cockshutt 540 tractor, and even the good old gas engine in our Ford 8N.
Been waiting for you to show the BadBoy tractirs and Branson Trsctors Tim!!
Great review and video as always!
Love from Sweden! :D
Let's go Branson!!
we considered buying a branson tractor, the dealer was 15 miles away, 1 year after chooseing a more popular brand with more dealers, we see the branson dealer is gone , there are no branson dealers within 100 miles of us now.
Great video! I own John Deere myself but enjoy seeing other options out there.
Blessings to you and your family. Band of Brothers and Sisters 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Don’t know if I’d be in the market for this brand but the more competition the better. Gives us buyers more options and keeps prices in check
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I get that Bad Boy is testing the waters with getting into small tractor market, but look forward to seeing them develop their own products.
Very interesting video. I would LOVE to see you get loaned/donated a Branson to see how they do in the field.
This has been said before, but service, parts availability, and dealer support should be at the top of the list when considering any purchase like this. My own experience with a Branson 3515R that my father owned was terrible. Hard start/no start conditions constantly recurring, front axle leak that never was resolved, a steering valve that occasionally wouldn't steer without dang near a full rotation, and a bucket curl leakdown situation that was deemed "normal" by the technician sent to inspect it. A full load of manure would need to be curled again every several seconds while tranporting it to prevent it from dumping some out. All this on a 1 year old tractor with 60 hours on it.
Dealer support was non-existent, the shortest amount of time the tractor was down while waiting for repair was a month, sitting at the "dealer". As I was taking care of my father in his later years, it was a constant source of a PITA to add that to my growing list of responsibilities. Once my father passed on, that tractor was sold at a steep discount just to get it to sell. Even in a relatively hot market at the time, it seemed nobody in the area wanted to deal with that brand of tractor, probably due to the poor dealer reputation.
The lesson is, make sure you take into account all the variables involved in purchasing any piece of equipment, because a tractor that's cheap up front may not be cheaper in the long term (or even the near term!). I wish I had been aware of my father's impending tractor purchase plans, I would have steered him towards a used Deere instead of a new off-brand machine for similar prices.
I think the service will improve now that they under the "bad boy" service centers.
Branson did have some growth/ teething issues at one time. I bought a 3725 12 speed open cab 3 years ago. Not one problem. I much prefer the larger stronger frame on the Bransons compared to every other brand at the same hp. Your dealer should have replaced the loader hydraulic spool valve. Branson would have covered the repair, you just had a really crappy dealer. Car dealers are the same, a good dealer fixes stuff, a crappy dealer says it's normal until the warranty is over, then they want to charge you.
Nice seeing the new branson tractors. I used to have a 2013 Branson 3510H had quiet a few issues with it and decided to trade it in for a Lovol M504 black edition.
Nice job guys .. I like the shuttle shift . My legs done like that type of movement . I need some kind of arm rest with a joy stick to work the the bucket .
Thank you Sir!
i have the 2515h and love it. Does it all.
Just another GREAT video... 🙂
Tim, it could be that the 960 rpm on the BadBoy is for a front linkage (usually 1000 rpm).
Front pto is usually driven by the crankshaft but sometimes also by the midpto...
Tim, thank you for the great videos and the wealth of information you provide. During the review of the 5520 (Branson), there seemed to be a bit of a snobby tone. Granted, the 2515 is likely the best tractor currently available, with its outstanding performance. One crucial aspect to highlight is its impressive 68.5 lb-ft of torque. Particularly when using the lower gear, even though work might be slower, it proves to be an exceptionally capable beast.
I wonder who’s going to be the first manufacturer to increase displacement, decrease rpm and put out big torque while maintaining 25 hp to give you a non-emission management tractor that can punch well above the rules.
L2501 from Kubota.
@@maxball6388 that’s got similar specs and displacement to the Deere 3025e, it’s a nudge in that direction but it’s not a big leap like going 6.6L duramax to 13L cat engines where torque goes from 700 to 2600, but hp is in the same range.
That actually won't make a difference, Horsepower is what does work. Higher rpm peak can be Geared down to provide the same effect.
@@valleytractorservices9310 so that’s why tractor trailers have cat engines instead of a duramax? Yes a duramax can move the 100,000 lb load, up to about 15 mph, to hit 70 you need the big torque that’s not geared down. Big torque will keep a big mower running.
The simple fact is big torque can do big work without big hp. Big hp cannot do big work without torque. An example of that is an f1 car. Hundred’s of hp, but very easy to stall when you let off the clutch.
“If you just want to go fast and hit 140 mph, then horsepower would be more effective for you. However, if you want a strong car that can pull boulders and take off quickly, a high torque might be more important to you. In short, torque makes your vehicle quick. Horsepower makes it quick”
The Branson 2515 has the Cummins designed A1700 in it. It's a 1.7L. they are "turned down" to 25hp. They are the same motor as the 30-35hp models. With a simple turn up, guys are bringing them to 30ish HP quite nicely. They are the hidden gem. Most the other 24hp tractors are smaller displacements turned UP.
I just glanced at the bad boy tractor at are farm show. And like you said I think I told my wife the loader control, is called a after thought.
I like the angled reverse pedal just like the Kioti tractors.
So funny when Billy came up & tells about the Branson 2515 : 25 hp & 2300 lb loader lift capacity while above his head it says 24 hp & 2200 lb lift capacity ... Ah , sales people always have to prop up the numbers a bit !
Step one: Buy a 25hp Branson tractor. Step two: Turbo charge it!
I like your videos Tim I grew up with John Deere I know Larry tractors have their ups and downs but I got to stick with my John Deere cuz that's what I grew up with thanks and keep up the good videos
I like Badboy and Branson content!!!
Honest to god, not sure I could get over the Bad Boy name and decals...
Interesting interviews.
I do like the larger frames but see a lot sacrificed on these units
I think I'll stay with the green tractors!! Nice video though! 👍❤️
The way that the forward peddle for the Branson Tractor you could purchase one then cut it down to the width that works for you. Then if you sell the tractor you supply the original one so the they could go back.
I have two bad boy attachments. They are a great value budget wise and are overbuilt for my 1025r.
The Bad Boy attachments appear to be VERY well built.
Good review Tim. What can you pinpoint as the reason these brands are cheaper than the green/yellow and orange tractors?
Imported.
Branson 2515h at $24,900 MSRP! Wow, I bought my 2515h mid-2021 and MSRP was $17,999. Definitely, Let's Go Branson.
The tractor is a little tank. Zero issues (70 hrs), almost lifts too much. My last tractor was a Kubota L2501 which was also a good tractor but could be hard to keep running cool in Florida heat. Always had to keep an eye on the 'Bota temp gauge and be meticulous with the radiator screen. The Branson doesn't care about heat or a clean radiator screen near as much.
2515R is $20,900 with loader available today in Keno Or, just got one last week. quick search gets the dealer....
Would be cool if you could get one of them Branson 2510 to test out
@6:30 the seat's vertical motion is adjustable. They probably had it on the softest setting fr when the gals sit on it.
Let's Go Branson !!
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Cool video
Talking about the hydrostatic pedals, I prefer gear drive. To me it just seems more robust and more control. But I only buy manual transmission vehicles too so I’m probably just weird🤣
Just what we needed, more compact tractors.
Ken is right on the Branson 5520CH the twinpedals are to far apart, but maybe it is possible to loose those bolts and bring them closer together? Just my 2cents^^ (one)
Ken appeared very biased against the Branson 5520-and obviously looking around for controls that are universally where they go.
Those models would be ideal for a turbo upgrade.
Good stuff Tim! Thanks Kelly and Billy!
Tim,
Did you review any of the case compacts? I saw at the show they had a compact with a buddy seat that was really spacious under 50 HP.
I really like the videos of comparing tractors and equipment maybe you could do a rk tractor someday if there is a rural king handy in your area I would like your take on the rk25 I’m really looking into getting one for myself
I got a rk 25. Really enjoy it. Just know going into it that you will most likely be more knowledgeable about tractors then the person "selling" you the tractor at rural king.
Good looking machine. You can sell more if you Get your hands out of you pockets
Let's see the New Holland booth!
Tim, the 3-point front-hitch is also coming to America, but are there already a few tractors at the show with a front 3-point hitch and/or pto?
I've been following your channel for years and I really enjoy the fair way in which you evaluate the various tractors you feature. I would like to offer one slight correction, you stated that cab tractors have to have the joystick on the fender. That's not completely accurate. I have a cab model Yanmar YT359C and the joystick is on the side console, not the fender.
Keep up the good work Tim and may God bless you and your family.
Thanks. What is the difference between the 'side console' and the 'fender'? Semantics? I meant that it is not up front...hanging from the loader.
@@TractorTimewithTim You were correct, I misunderstood what you were saying. My apologies for that.
Keep up the great work you do. I truly enjoy your videos and watching as you evaluate options for current and future tractor owners.
Best Regards.
TYM completed the acquisition of all the assets of Kukje Machinery of Korea (parent company of Branson Tractors)
11:21 Let's go Branson!
I could live with it. Parts availability and service is what counts. I'd like to see more 🇺🇸 made subcompact tractors. I'd like to see some videos done on like Toro Dingo type skidloaders. You can put a rototiller on them and shreaders among other things. They'll get into tighter places than a subcompact. I suppose they'll be slower. But it would be a fair trade off.
Thanks and take care
@Brian Uhing We would all love to see more American made tractors but the truth is there aren't any, none, zero, zip !!! And don't use John Deere as an American made tractor because they're not!!!!!!
@@pmaint1 corporate America sold this country out. I waited 3 months for a ECM for my pickup. I also had GM call me for a month wanting me to trade. I'd say more but I think he gets a picture.
Let’s go Branson!
Tim, please review the Bad Boy 4035. It seems like a killer deal. I’d love to see what you think about that one
It is a Branson. …and Branson is now TYM.
We don’t typically focus on rebranded tractors. We have lots of videos explaining why.
Tim, I live in Batesville AR home of Bad Boy tractors and mowers. Ironically also home to intimidator mowers which just got bought by Toro.
I'm partial to greene but if I could only afford the red then that's what I would get..many cheaper tractors will do the same thing as my john deere ...my main concern is getting parts and a mechanic to work on it.
The smart large frame, 25 HP tractor makers would be putting bigger engines in them detuned so as delivered they were 25 HP factory but if the customer say in another country..... Wanted to turn the injector pump up so they did a reliable 40 HP, then that would be easy to get the full potential of the machine. :0)
Maybe Tims Friends can start producing Turbo kits for these tractors that could well use the extra power?
do they have a float option on the front loaders?
Is the motor in that last tractor a de tuned 35-40hp motor or a small 1025r sized motor?
Basically what I am asking is after warranty can I bring it to the diesel shop and with the turn of a screw, turn it up to an appropriate HP?
Detuned, but don't tell the feds..... ;)
Are we going to be seeing one of those things in your collection?
My first look at it has me comparing it with a 2025. I still find it interesting which brands are made by the same company. Yet each has their own differences compared to the others from the same factory.
Wish I would have seen ya there. We could have chatted for hours😁
I'm curious about how these two 25HP tractors compare to the JD 2025R and 3025E in size and weight. Any information on that after seeing them in person? Those details on the internet don't always translate into what you see/feel in person.
I have a “rebranded” tractor. I have an old Farmtrac. It is an LG tractor which was branded as a Farmtrac, Montana, and I believe LS. It hasn’t been a bad tractor.
How do you get parts?
@@TractorTimewithTim It can be a challenge at times. The dealer I purchased it from has a supply and the internet helps. Also Wix makes filters that fit it.