Ha, I just watched the Louis Rossmann video and then next one was yours.... how ironic is that? Actually, I read your comment on his page and then checked out your channel for the video. I'm going to try this technique with my atifacting GPU. (1070) Thank you for making this. I hope I have success just like you.
Woot haha glad to know my video is being suggested after the main man's video. My pleasure making it and sharing, I hope it works out for you. Thanks for the comment, have a great week! 👍
Nice video man. I've reflowed many retro GPUs My reflowed 5950 Ultra is still going strong. Have reflowed like 6 9700 Pro to no change something else on those cards die , not the solder. Most likely the memory controller.
Well it depends how to card dies. If it really is just a broken solder joint a reflow could "permanently" be fixed. 8800Ultra going on 8months has been repaired and card was not even capable of loading drivers. I also had a GeForce 2 Ultra I broke by putting to much pressure on it, and it has been fixed for months from the reflow. My 9700PRO recently died, hopefully it will reflow.
I'm sure it works, but the use case for a reflow is much smaller than what I thought before researching. I don't think cracked and broken joints happen a lot, but yeah, in that case, a reflow is perfect. Thanks for watching!
I've heard the shims on these cards have a tendency to move around and sometimes create separation between the dye of the GPU and the heatsink, which causes the card to overheat after a few minutes. Maybe that explains why the after market cooler worked so much better, once the shim was removed? Great video also!
Hey man! I don't think the shim moves, originally they are glued down pretty hard. The thing is that they're thicker than the die itself. So with a flat cooler like all aftermarket coolers, they don't make contact with the die. I'm glad you like the video, thanks for watching!
Nice one Sucra, I've seen people throw them in the oven at 200C + It can work but it risks cooking the caps, which are only rated up to 105C at their highest. Any extra life you get out those great cards is a bonus and we all want that! :)
Thanks Ted! Yep, I'm happy this worked, and I'm sad it's not actually a solder issue, more like a dying chip, but hopefully it'll last. Thanks for watching!
In having trouble getting any video out on my mobos ive tried three different mobos, and for gpus ive tested a riva tnt 2(which did work fine on the oldest board there a Socket A iwill sdr ram mobo), two different geforce 4 ti 4600, a geforce4 ti 4800, two 9800 pros, and one geforce 6800 ultra
Tôi có 1 thẻ winfast 7600gt 256mb agp và nó có lúc hoạt động và có lúc không hoạt động. Trong khi thẻ đang chạy nếu tôi dùng tay nhấn mạnh vào GPU thì nó lập tức không hoạt động. Có phải gpu đã bị mất liên kết giữa bo mạch không ?
Này, tôi rất tiếc khi nghe điều đó. Nó có thể là hai vấn đề khác nhau. Bạn có thể có GPU không hiệu quả và khi bạn đẩy nó, bạn sẽ tạo ra một vấn đề khác bằng cách tách một liên hệ. Quy trình này có thể giúp ích cho bạn, nhưng đó là một canh bạc, hãy thử nếu bạn cho rằng nó đáng giá. Chúc may mắn!
Awesome video, Bruno! This was super interesting and I’m kind of curious as to how/why this worked, but it makes sense. I definitely think this video is super useful and your presentation was so easy to follow-this is something anyone (with a heatgun) could do! I know you said it’s only a temporary fix, but I wonder how long it lasts. Have you noticed anything problematic, or has it seemed to hold up? Either way, thank you man for another awesome and super informative video! I loved this one!
Thanks for watching man, I'm glad you enjoyed. As for the inner workings, Louis briefly mentions that there are some crevices in the die that get rearranged, this is way beyond my technical knowledge, maybe CPU Galaxy can come up with a better explanation. In all truth I didn't use the video card much, only a couple of our after the fix to test it. Alright man, have a good week!
Apparently the problem is not in the connection between the chip and the PCB, but between the die and the interposer... there was a video from “Actually Hardcore Overclocking” where he explained how chips fail where this was mentioned...
i dont think im understanding this fully// so this is basically a diagnostical test?... if it passes this test (ie the card improves) it means there is an issue with the chip itself.. if there is an issue with the chip there is no use in reflowing/reballing... so first test is a general 100deg heating of the whole card... 2nd test is direct 150deg heating of the chip.. do u immediately use the card after heating it to 150 or is it ok to wait..
I reflow couple of cards, all but one died out in couple days or month most. And i had most luck with nvidia cards. All except one Gigabyte 7300GS, that thing is working for years now, in one of my PC that i use just for youtube and music stuff.
Oh, that makes total sense with the 7300. If you don't ever use it for 3d rendering it just won't get stressed out, ever. Cool man, thanks for watching!
I watch Mr Rossmann & Mr Telio. I understand Louis' philosophy on not reflowing GPU chips but replaces them. Mr Telio does things under care & control as well. Want to try a hot air laptop GPU reflow but with control, pre-heat, temp sensors, watching times & heat patterns. Thanks & great video!
Thanks for watching and good luck on your project. Those are the best guys to listen to when it comes to this, I was ready for the reflow protocol by Nick Telio but there was no need. Have a great sunday!
Hah terrific! I was mulling doing this for my broken Ti4600s and here you are with a video covering the very topic. I may consider using a heat gun on mine too since I really have nothing to lose... great video!
Cool man, I'm glad you liked it. So as long as you stay under 150c on the die you're not actually doing anything to the solder joints. I chose to do it step by step starting with the least radical because I wanted to know if I had an issue with the die or the joints. From the result, in fact there are no issues with the joints, it's the die, that I find much worst, but I'm happy it's still going! Thanks for watching my dude.
Tenho uma 9600 Pro que também está me dando trabalho, ela até consegue rodar Doom3 e Benchmarks, mas após algum tempo o sistema trava. As vezes o ATI VPU Recover consegue prevenir que sistema reinicie,. mas tem sido um experiência bastante frustrante fazê-la funcionar corretamente. Talvez eu tente essa manobra, obrigado Bruno
I have baked a video card at 375f for 7mins and it works after an year, HOWEVER I worry about the caps getting overheated. so I now have a hot air system.
I am watching my ATI 1900XTX run the Mercury pool Industrial version right now. It was flaking out after it got warm. I only used a 350 watt gun and no sensor. I stayed 2 inches away moving around for 4-5 min. It just started the artifacts and it froze in Unreal 2K4 as before. I guess a little closer and hotter for a second try. It lasted longer though. It wouldn't even start the screen saver before. Used arctic silver on the stock cooler. Yeah...we are all going to have to become expert solderers to keep this stuff alive and even that won't prevent chips just degrading. Hard to expect from 20-30-40 year old stuff not to mention the NEWEST CRAP that oxidizes.....LOL.
I always wondered if that actually worked or not.. I did it with a heat gun on an original xbox back in the day. Wasn't sure if I just got lucky, but it worked.
Nice, good job getting that working there. This was the first time I did anything of the sort, but I have a gang of video cards to try it on. Have a great weekend!
Reballing could be a better solution on newer cards that's failed but more likely not gonna fix older cards for very long if it does even fix it... the odds decrease with age. With newer cards heat cycles aren't near an issue as with older cards, especially on older cards that been subjected to many high heat cycles. Thermal expansion takes its toll over time. It's very difficult to say exactly what's a best fix for a card unless you are very aware of its history. Some cards just get abused by previous owners some do not. It's like that old barn find car that was hidden away from wear compared to a car had many miles and was abused.
@@SUCRA these Radeons always burn up. RIP :-( I've purchased 4 of the 9800 type cards and only one showed up working. The stock heatsink wasn't enough. My Dad's (who doesn't game) had his go out in his Dell.
Yeah they're terrible. In the last video I made about the fx5950 ultra that's something that comes up. It feels like a much better card, although it might not be as fast.
I didn't actually go through with the reflow, I just heated the die for 5 minutes at 150c. Sorry you didn't get that, the point of the video was to try this before the reflow, luckily it worked. Thanks for watching.
Thank you so much, Mr. Mike! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I don't know exactly why it works either, hopefully someone with more expertise like CPU Galaxy can come up with a better explanation.
@@SUCRA You are an outstanding fellow, good sir! Ya know, I am currently struggling with a Voodoo 2 card that warped from overheating during a LAN gaming session back in the late 1990's. I wonder if the heat gun treatment and some strategically placed weights might not fix that so the PCI fingers connect again? You have inspired me!
According to Louis Rossman... I understand more about the exterior of electronics than the interior... The chips also have connections inside! When you heat those connections, it softens/melts them and they'll probably get back to place and reconnect... So it's like when you break something and then glue them, the thing is "fixed"... But more fragile! So it will be a question of time until the thing breaks again. These are tiny small things sooooo, they are VERY fragile. Why it's a question of time??! Because materials tend to expand under heat and contract under cold... This is a physics thing in the Universe you know... And that creates stress on materials! So when you have a GPU and you're gaming, you're heating the materials... And when you turn it off, you're cooling the materials. At some point those materials just lose their integrity... And don't supply a clean stable connection. When I talk about materials... Seems like they're mainly SOLDER joints. So you have alllllll these things... Reflow and reballing..... They're just *re-solder processes*. Now you can have 2 types of malfuctions.... Interior or exterior (or both at the same time!). Reflow and reballing are exterior processes but... They also "involuntarily" mess with the interior. This was told by Louis Rossman also... So it's like, you can burn wood on a steel stove but that doesn't mean it won't burn the walls he is close to, because it will burn them!... In case of GPU's you don't exactly set them on fire but you're melting connections back again. It's hard to pin point the malfuction... Maybe it's the solder joints on the exterior, maybe it's the connections inside the chip. So a reflow or reball can fix definitely a malfuction or it can be just a temporary fix. If the problem is inside the chip, it's a temporary fix. If the problem is outside the chip then it's a permanent fix
I've already broke my mom's best hair dry after using it a lot with my HP Pavilion DV4-1222NR hahahaha When it was my only notebook in 2017, I did a lot of reflows with both hair dryers and eletric oven. Sometimes the notebook las a month or thow, sometimes it last only a week. After all, I think its just luck and how bad or damaged the chip is
Ooh noooo hahaha poor mom, she thinks you dry your hair lot huh? Well I'm glad you got those extra uses of your laptop, unfortunately some of these chips don't have the best quality. Thanks for watching!
I love Louis, but you ain't doing shit to the die at these temps. These are pure metals in a die that get applied by vapor deposition, there is nothing that could reflow in a die. If you could, it would just short circuit the whole thing. Not even the bonding wires, will budge they are getting welded with ultra sonic. Also keep in mind these old chips and their pcbs are so damn small and thin, you can directly reflow them with the heat gun within a minute or two.
In truth I don't know what's happening there, but the result was positive and confirmed what he said. Now I've seen other people have no results whatsoever from this process as well.
@@SUCRA I had a 2:1 success rate with the oven. All attempts on one gtx960. It worked for 3 weeks, then after another fix for 3 more months and then one day it just got detected as a svga card. I am still waiting for another shot at this, I got me a hot air station.
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I see people using heat guns on video cards and I can't help but cringe. If you have the means, have it reflowed in an oven. I have a rocket scream kit oven that I use for DIY stuff/pcbs. took off all extras and covered the plastic parts that were non removable with foil and polyimide tape. I had the units TC on the board with another handheld on the die itself and did a profile for leaded solder. after 1st and only attempt it worked perfect. my problems stemmed from die overheating, in case anyone was wondering.
Considering you only have 1.2k subscribers, this was a fairly high quality video, thank you!
You're very welcome. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Ha, I just watched the Louis Rossmann video and then next one was yours.... how ironic is that?
Actually, I read your comment on his page and then checked out your channel for the video.
I'm going to try this technique with my atifacting GPU. (1070)
Thank you for making this.
I hope I have success just like you.
Woot haha glad to know my video is being suggested after the main man's video. My pleasure making it and sharing, I hope it works out for you. Thanks for the comment, have a great week! 👍
Nice video man.
I've reflowed many retro GPUs
My reflowed 5950 Ultra is still going strong.
Have reflowed like 6 9700 Pro to no change something else on those cards die , not the solder. Most likely the memory controller.
Great that the 5950 is working, sorry for your 9700s. Hopefully you can figure that out, might be useful for the community. Thanks for watching!
Good video man! This was an awesome success! I will definitely refer to this video if I ever need to fix up an old GPU
Thanks Rami! I'm glad you liked it man. Yeah, this little trick and help. Hopefully!
Well it depends how to card dies. If it really is just a broken solder joint a reflow could "permanently" be fixed. 8800Ultra going on 8months has been repaired and card was not even capable of loading drivers. I also had a GeForce 2 Ultra I broke by putting to much pressure on it, and it has been fixed for months from the reflow. My 9700PRO recently died, hopefully it will reflow.
I'm sure it works, but the use case for a reflow is much smaller than what I thought before researching. I don't think cracked and broken joints happen a lot, but yeah, in that case, a reflow is perfect. Thanks for watching!
I've heard the shims on these cards have a tendency to move around and sometimes create separation between the dye of the GPU and the heatsink, which causes the card to overheat after a few minutes. Maybe that explains why the after market cooler worked so much better, once the shim was removed? Great video also!
Hey man! I don't think the shim moves, originally they are glued down pretty hard. The thing is that they're thicker than the die itself. So with a flat cooler like all aftermarket coolers, they don't make contact with the die. I'm glad you like the video, thanks for watching!
Nice one Sucra, I've seen people throw them in the oven at 200C + It can work but it risks cooking the caps, which are only rated up to 105C at their highest. Any extra life you get out those great cards is a bonus and we all want that! :)
Thanks Ted! Yep, I'm happy this worked, and I'm sad it's not actually a solder issue, more like a dying chip, but hopefully it'll last. Thanks for watching!
Great video subbed!
Thanks, I'm glad you like it! Welcome!
In having trouble getting any video out on my mobos ive tried three different mobos, and for gpus ive tested a riva tnt 2(which did work fine on the oldest board there a Socket A iwill sdr ram mobo), two different geforce 4 ti 4600, a geforce4 ti 4800, two 9800 pros, and one geforce 6800 ultra
Tried different ram and PSU? Since you've tried multiple mobos, better start looking at other components. Good luck! 👍
Tôi có 1 thẻ winfast 7600gt 256mb agp và nó có lúc hoạt động và có lúc không hoạt động. Trong khi thẻ đang chạy nếu tôi dùng tay nhấn mạnh vào GPU thì nó lập tức không hoạt động. Có phải gpu đã bị mất liên kết giữa bo mạch không ?
Này, tôi rất tiếc khi nghe điều đó. Nó có thể là hai vấn đề khác nhau. Bạn có thể có GPU không hiệu quả và khi bạn đẩy nó, bạn sẽ tạo ra một vấn đề khác bằng cách tách một liên hệ. Quy trình này có thể giúp ích cho bạn, nhưng đó là một canh bạc, hãy thử nếu bạn cho rằng nó đáng giá. Chúc may mắn!
Awesome video, Bruno! This was super interesting and I’m kind of curious as to how/why this worked, but it makes sense. I definitely think this video is super useful and your presentation was so easy to follow-this is something anyone (with a heatgun) could do! I know you said it’s only a temporary fix, but I wonder how long it lasts. Have you noticed anything problematic, or has it seemed to hold up? Either way, thank you man for another awesome and super informative video! I loved this one!
Thanks for watching man, I'm glad you enjoyed. As for the inner workings, Louis briefly mentions that there are some crevices in the die that get rearranged, this is way beyond my technical knowledge, maybe CPU Galaxy can come up with a better explanation. In all truth I didn't use the video card much, only a couple of our after the fix to test it. Alright man, have a good week!
Apparently the problem is not in the connection between the chip and the PCB, but between the die and the interposer... there was a video from “Actually Hardcore Overclocking” where he explained how chips fail where this was mentioned...
Great video buddy 👍🏻☺️. I need to try that on my 9700 Pro wich is defective since years. Keep it up my friend. Cheers
Thanks man, happy you like it! Yeah, you should do it, who knows. Now I believe most video cards have an issue with the die and not the solder joints.
Did you try it yet?
@@j.lietka9406 not yet.
@@CPUGalaxyany progress with the Radeon 9700?
i dont think im understanding this fully//
so this is basically a diagnostical test?... if it passes this test (ie the card improves) it means there is an issue with the chip itself.. if there is an issue with the chip there is no use in reflowing/reballing...
so first test is a general 100deg heating of the whole card... 2nd test is direct 150deg heating of the chip..
do u immediately use the card after heating it to 150 or is it ok to wait..
Hey, yeah I think you figured it out pretty well. I would wait for it to cool down, but that's only a few minutes. Thanks for the comment. 👍
I'm going to try this with my ATI x800 today!
I'm nervous as heck, but it's the last thing I can think I can do!
Thanks for the video!
Yeah, try it. It's easy enough. Not always effective, but you might as well try since the video card isn't working properly. Good luck! 👍
Great vid! Keep em coming!
Thanks, I'm glad you like it! Have a great weekend!
I reflow couple of cards, all but one died out in couple days or month most.
And i had most luck with nvidia cards.
All except one Gigabyte 7300GS, that thing is working for years now, in one of my PC that i use just for youtube and music stuff.
Oh, that makes total sense with the 7300. If you don't ever use it for 3d rendering it just won't get stressed out, ever. Cool man, thanks for watching!
I've got garbled bios text on my 9800 pro. I mounted a Zalman VF700 aftermarket cooler.
Unfortunately most of these have died. Mine has gone bad again, I might try another round of heating it up.
I watch Mr Rossmann & Mr Telio. I understand Louis' philosophy on not reflowing GPU chips but replaces them. Mr Telio does things under care & control as well. Want to try a hot air laptop GPU reflow but with control, pre-heat, temp sensors, watching times & heat patterns. Thanks & great video!
Thanks for watching and good luck on your project. Those are the best guys to listen to when it comes to this, I was ready for the reflow protocol by Nick Telio but there was no need. Have a great sunday!
@@SUCRA sure will!
Hah terrific! I was mulling doing this for my broken Ti4600s and here you are with a video covering the very topic. I may consider using a heat gun on mine too since I really have nothing to lose... great video!
Cool man, I'm glad you liked it. So as long as you stay under 150c on the die you're not actually doing anything to the solder joints. I chose to do it step by step starting with the least radical because I wanted to know if I had an issue with the die or the joints. From the result, in fact there are no issues with the joints, it's the die, that I find much worst, but I'm happy it's still going! Thanks for watching my dude.
I reflowed a few cards and some of them worked for months for me. I'm done that with hot air at about 200C for 8.5 minutes at GPU core.
Sweet! Hopefully I'll have the same luck, I do have some other bad cards, maybe I'll get to do a reflow in some. Thanks for watching!!
Never heard of that method. Surprised it worked!
Same here, I thought most of these chips were stronger and just the solder cracked, unfortunately, not the case here. Thanks for watching, man!
Tenho uma 9600 Pro que também está me dando trabalho, ela até consegue rodar Doom3 e Benchmarks, mas após algum tempo o sistema trava. As vezes o ATI VPU Recover consegue prevenir que sistema reinicie,. mas tem sido um experiência bastante frustrante fazê-la funcionar corretamente. Talvez eu tente essa manobra, obrigado Bruno
Nada, o prazer é meu. Boa sorte! 👍
I have baked a video card at 375f for 7mins and it works after an year, HOWEVER I worry about the caps getting overheated. so I now have a hot air system.
Sweet! Yeah, that's the way to go!
I am watching my ATI 1900XTX run the Mercury pool Industrial version right now. It was flaking out after it got warm. I only used a 350 watt gun and no sensor. I stayed 2 inches away moving around for 4-5 min. It just started the artifacts and it froze in Unreal 2K4 as before. I guess a little closer and hotter for a second try. It lasted longer though. It wouldn't even start the screen saver before. Used arctic silver on the stock cooler.
Yeah...we are all going to have to become expert solderers to keep this stuff alive and even that won't prevent chips just degrading. Hard to expect from 20-30-40 year old stuff not to mention the NEWEST CRAP that oxidizes.....LOL.
Excellent! I'm going to test this on my 9800pro, but sadly I'm pretty sure in my case it's a broken memory.
I'm rooting for you man, good luck! I hope you bring that classic video card back to life. Have a great Sunday!
What are the symptoms of broken memory chips?
Interesting, thanks!
No problem!
I always wondered if that actually worked or not.. I did it with a heat gun on an original xbox back in the day. Wasn't sure if I just got lucky, but it worked.
Nice, good job getting that working there. This was the first time I did anything of the sort, but I have a gang of video cards to try it on. Have a great weekend!
@@SUCRA You as well! Love the content!
I still have two Radeon 9800 XTs with artifacts. As soon as I press on the RAMs they disappear. Therefore, a reflow will probably be necessary.
Indeed, seems like that's the case. A reflow on the ram should do it. Good luck!
Reballing could be a better solution on newer cards that's failed but more likely not gonna fix older cards for very long if it does even fix it... the odds decrease with age. With newer cards heat cycles aren't near an issue as with older cards, especially on older cards that been subjected to many high heat cycles. Thermal expansion takes its toll over time. It's very difficult to say exactly what's a best fix for a card unless you are very aware of its history. Some cards just get abused by previous owners some do not. It's like that old barn find car that was hidden away from wear compared to a car had many miles and was abused.
All good points.
Does it still work a year later?
Nope, not really. But yeah, I've always known this was temporary. I might try it again.
@@SUCRA these Radeons always burn up. RIP :-( I've purchased 4 of the 9800 type cards and only one showed up working. The stock heatsink wasn't enough. My Dad's (who doesn't game) had his go out in his Dell.
Yeah they're terrible. In the last video I made about the fx5950 ultra that's something that comes up. It feels like a much better card, although it might not be as fast.
I am really confused. It doesn't work, but on this test, it did! But Nice tutorial, I will try my luck too!
I didn't actually go through with the reflow, I just heated the die for 5 minutes at 150c. Sorry you didn't get that, the point of the video was to try this before the reflow, luckily it worked. Thanks for watching.
Probably the most interesting video you have.
It's some what eye opening.
Nicely done! The question remains... anyone know WHY this works at all? Very well done video sir.
Thank you so much, Mr. Mike! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I don't know exactly why it works either, hopefully someone with more expertise like CPU Galaxy can come up with a better explanation.
@@SUCRA You are an outstanding fellow, good sir! Ya know, I am currently struggling with a Voodoo 2 card that warped from overheating during a LAN gaming session back in the late 1990's. I wonder if the heat gun treatment and some strategically placed weights might not fix that so the PCI fingers connect again? You have inspired me!
Hopefully! With a warped card a cracked solder joint becomes more probable too. Good luck!
According to Louis Rossman... I understand more about the exterior of electronics than the interior... The chips also have connections inside! When you heat those connections, it softens/melts them and they'll probably get back to place and reconnect... So it's like when you break something and then glue them, the thing is "fixed"... But more fragile! So it will be a question of time until the thing breaks again. These are tiny small things sooooo, they are VERY fragile. Why it's a question of time??! Because materials tend to expand under heat and contract under cold... This is a physics thing in the Universe you know... And that creates stress on materials! So when you have a GPU and you're gaming, you're heating the materials... And when you turn it off, you're cooling the materials. At some point those materials just lose their integrity... And don't supply a clean stable connection. When I talk about materials... Seems like they're mainly SOLDER joints. So you have alllllll these things... Reflow and reballing..... They're just *re-solder processes*.
Now you can have 2 types of malfuctions.... Interior or exterior (or both at the same time!). Reflow and reballing are exterior processes but... They also "involuntarily" mess with the interior. This was told by Louis Rossman also... So it's like, you can burn wood on a steel stove but that doesn't mean it won't burn the walls he is close to, because it will burn them!... In case of GPU's you don't exactly set them on fire but you're melting connections back again. It's hard to pin point the malfuction... Maybe it's the solder joints on the exterior, maybe it's the connections inside the chip. So a reflow or reball can fix definitely a malfuction or it can be just a temporary fix. If the problem is inside the chip, it's a temporary fix. If the problem is outside the chip then it's a permanent fix
I've already broke my mom's best hair dry after using it a lot with my HP Pavilion DV4-1222NR hahahaha
When it was my only notebook in 2017, I did a lot of reflows with both hair dryers and eletric oven. Sometimes the notebook las a month or thow, sometimes it last only a week. After all, I think its just luck and how bad or damaged the chip is
Ooh noooo hahaha poor mom, she thinks you dry your hair lot huh? Well I'm glad you got those extra uses of your laptop, unfortunately some of these chips don't have the best quality. Thanks for watching!
I love Louis, but you ain't doing shit to the die at these temps. These are pure metals in a die that get applied by vapor deposition, there is nothing that could reflow in a die. If you could, it would just short circuit the whole thing. Not even the bonding wires, will budge they are getting welded with ultra sonic.
Also keep in mind these old chips and their pcbs are so damn small and thin, you can directly reflow them with the heat gun within a minute or two.
In truth I don't know what's happening there, but the result was positive and confirmed what he said. Now I've seen other people have no results whatsoever from this process as well.
@@SUCRA I had a 2:1 success rate with the oven. All attempts on one gtx960. It worked for 3 weeks, then after another fix for 3 more months and then one day it just got detected as a svga card. I am still waiting for another shot at this, I got me a hot air station.
Nice, more professional.
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Good for you
I see people using heat guns on video cards and I can't help but cringe. If you have the means, have it reflowed in an oven. I have a rocket scream kit oven that I use for DIY stuff/pcbs. took off all extras and covered the plastic parts that were non removable with foil and polyimide tape. I had the units TC on the board with another handheld on the die itself and did a profile for leaded solder. after 1st and only attempt it worked perfect. my problems stemmed from die overheating, in case anyone was wondering.
Seems like you know a better way to do it, sounds good 👍