This reunion is so frickin realistic. You can see how Rumple had thought this all through but it was one-sided. And then you’re finally standing there with this real live person in front of you and the pain and messiness of it all suddenly so incredibly *real*. And there’s just nothing you could’ve done to prepare for it. Does that make any sense whatsoever? Lol
I don't know if this was intentional on the actor's part, but Baelfire makes a lot of little gestures and movements when he talks to people, sort of like what Rumplestiltskin does. Bae likes to sway from side to side, look left and right, touch his face/hair, roll his eyes, move his arms, and make gestures with his fingers a lot.
+iRazenrak You're really perceptive. I never noticed that before, but now you mention it I see it. That you for helping me see different parts of the performance.
Rumple: “there’s no bigger pain than regret” Neal: “try abandonment” Rumple: “my mother gave me up not too long after I was born and my father ditched me for the sake of power” Neal: “well shit that second one seems familiar” Rumple: “my father never came back *I* did” Neal: “you were lucky” Come on it would not be out of place for once upon a time to take it that far in fact it’d be right at home I kinda wish they did go that direction
I love this scene! In my opinion, Neal has EVERY right to hate Rumple, he chose power over his son and he's *still* trying to use magic to fix everything! It'd be different if Rumple learned from his mistakes and actually tried to stop using magic and prove that he could be a good father again but does he do this? Nope, he's still the same guy, still uses magic and people to get what he wants! I know Rumple regretted leaving Neal the minute it happened and spent a long time trying to find a way to get back to him, but *he* could have chosen his son but he didn't. To be honest, it's actually great, for me anyway, to see someone be angry and argue with the one who's supposedly a parent but just abandons you for selfish reasons! What does rumple expect just for Neal to welcome him back into his life with open arms like nothing happened?! Although I did feel bad for rumple when Neal told him "no, I didn't get closure so you don't either. We're done.".
I mean you can kind of see both sides also considering your comment as one year ago this is after the part where you see how rumple actually erased his sons memory to save him from being corrupted by magic as a kid.
I think that Rumple in Season 4 is ingenious. Honestly, Baelfire and Belle are his life, no matter what. He spent centuries looking for Baelfire, and that search is not only what kept him sane but also encouraged him to join the good side. I feel that Bae dying for him probably left a scar in Rumple- like he was not powerful enough to save Bae and himself. This scar led to him resorting to power again and becoming evil when Belle banished him, and he lost both of the loves (Bae and Belle) of his life.
when neal does the hand thing when he says "all this" it just makes me smile every time and i honestly think that whenever he thought about seeing rumple again he you say 'im gonna do the thing he did every f*cking day'
Poor Rumple. :( This scene is so heartbreaking, I can understand why Bae is mad/upset with him, but my heart still can't help but break for Rumple, he has been trying to fix his mistake from the moment he made it.
Imagine how livid you have to be to stare down someone who under any other circumstances would have magic at their disposal and cut them so deep. This moment was Rumple's price.
Rumple should’ve met Bae in the afterlife instead of Belle. Yes she was important to him, but the whole story started because of Rumple’s motivation to reunite with his child. It would’ve been a more satisfying ending if his final scene on the show was that very reunion, never for father and son to be separated again.
Neal has every right to be pissed at his Dad after everything he put him through. Rumple was a stupid idiot to think Neal would just forgive him and hug him.
This scene makes me want to kick August in the teeth. Rumple laid himself bare in The Return. He was totally vulnerable, humbly and honestly apologizing and asking for forgiveness. Can you imagine how he felt when his 'son' accepted it? That horrible burden of guilt finally lifted? It had to be the happiest moment of Rumple's life. And then August socked him in the gut with his deception. Not wonder he's hiding behind the "Let me fix it with magic!' clause here. Poor Rumple AND poor Baefire.
Also, Belle has enabled Gold WAY too much and it's clearly showing here. She's managed to convince him that in spite of all the evil things he's done (and still does the second she's not around), that he expects the same from Bae. It never occurs to him that he might have to work for redemption because Belle always gives him a free pass and he never has to. Its easy for Belle to say he's good when she's always managed to talk him out of doing evil when she's around; Bae didn't have that luxury.
But when Hook told that to Bae, he didn't believe Hook. He said something like "i bet YOU took her heart off". It could have been that he was too much angered and distressed because he thought he finally has found a home and a kind of family (hook and his crew) but then he found out that Hook was the cause of why he hadn't his mother any more (for one reason or another). So i think rather he truly thinks Hook killed her, or he prefers to believe it.
right, everything happened in a breath (when Rumpel choose "magic" over his son) i think that can't be considered as a completely choice. He was afraid, he had lived a life of misery and pain UNTIL magic arrived in his life. Magic also was the reason of why Bae is still alive. So one can't just blame him for be afraid. At the instant he realized what had happened he implored to go with his son. And has dedicated his life to find him
Technically we can justify Rumpelstiltskin saying that what he did was more an impulse than a choice. At least he did everything to try to find him, while his mother, even if it is declared repented, never came back to get him (although the hook, however, said that they just wanted to wait for her to grow up before doing so). But in fact, however, Bae has every reason to be angry with his father.
I felt so bad for Gold...but his idea of turning the clock back and taking away his memories is absurd. Bae just discovered the son he never knew he had...his experiences over the last 20 years has made him who he is...why would he think Bae wants to forget Emma and his son. Gold needs to realize that magic and power is not the answer...some things you just can't fix. He needs to learn from his past mistakes and try to build a new relationship with his adult son.
I`m still watching this and it is going to be season 4 this fall! Neal the phone for you please answer it is very important which the message is come BACK TO THE SHOW RIGHT NOW YOUNG MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course, but she knows there is the true Rumpel (the one he was after the curse) behind that curse. So what she does, convincing him to bring out his good side, is not a bad thing at all. Thanks Belle, he is striving to have a good behavior. Reject him, hate him and confront him in a bad way has never managed that
Neal has every right to let him go useing magic on others isn't the answear sure he tried to fix things but let magic take controll. Beautiful acting truly
Now that I've seen the last two episodes of season 2, this all makes sense. And yes, (spoiler alert) Bae did go to Neverland, where he learned (another spoiler) that his mother was killed by Rumple. Now there's even more questions. If Bae knew the whole time that his father killed his mother, why hasn't he called him out on it yet? That doesn't make sense to me. And I totally agree that Rumple should have used the speech on Bae that he used on August.
There is so much wrong with this scene here. For starters, Gold's speech to August when he was under the impression he was actually his son was much more heartfelt than this one. He owned up to what he did and apologized ; here its like he's saying, "Hey, try and see my side of things here. I know I screwed up and you suffered for it, but I've got my problems too."
Eh I wouldn't have handled the situation like Rumple did. I would've explained to Neal why I let go him whilst we were above the portal. Then I would just say "I'm sorry for what I did. I wish I never did it. All the pain you experienced because of what I did.. I wish you never went through it. I'm so sorry you did. Please forgive me." At this point he has apologised for everything, said he wished Bae hadn't gone through the pain he did as a result of Gold's actions so I think Neal would have to forgive him.
SongMeanings but he said something similar to this to August back in season one when he thought it was Bae. He told him he spent every waking hour looking for him. I wish we had that speech.
If Rumple had said; "Come with me back to Storybrooke - if not for me, do it for Henry. You get to be with your son, and I get at the very least to _see_ you, if nothing else. I know that I hurt you, and I understand if you wouldn't forgive me, I have certainly never forgiven myself, but - I can't take it back. I _can't_ change the past, and I don't even know if it is possible to make up for the lost time, but I can offer you as much of the time we have ahead of us as you like, if you want it. Please, give me a chance." If he said this, or even the same line he said to August in this scene: th-cam.com/video/1dcKWomMFtA/w-d-xo.html How do you think Neal would have reacted?
Technically, however, she was strict when it came to honesty, keeping promises, and kill. This series shows us just that is not easy to redeem a person, and that in some cases you have to have understanding and patience. Belle could help to improve him because it is past above all his past crimes. Anyway, Rumpelstiltskin was not completely naive. After all, even after this conversation did not give up the hope of peace with his son. He had expected that it would not be easy anyway.
I couldn’t stand how Neal treated Emma but I wish that he hadn’t died. Henry didn’t get a chance to know his father. I think if Neal had lived that Rumplestiltskin would have been a better grandfather to Henry. Henry was the last link to Neal and he didn’t even try to bond with Henry.
so sad.. :'( you made me realize of something! i already get why he didn't offered the apology that he gave to August. At that moment he hadn't got his magic, so it was all he has to offered. i agree, it would be much better but he doesn't think so.His life started to go well when he got magic. (specially because it saved his son's life). Now he has magic again, he returns to the safe thing. It's like a drug, or wine for alcoholics. If he tastes a little of it, he can't help but hold on to it
Rumpel has always relied on magic. As he said, its a crutch that he can't walk without. Baelfire has always been the driving regret and and love in his life that kept something human in him which Belle could find and bring out. His offer to turn back the clock for Bael is simply his astonishingly clumsy and unworkable solution for this problem. To take everything back to how it used to be when he was still Bae's 'poppa'. So don't beat Rumpel up for it. It's the wrong idea, but he means well.
I agree because in the Disney version the crocodile takes hooks hand and Hook is Peter's nemesis. I love how this show has a different way of presenting the story. Making Rumple 'The Crocodile' was a genius idea.
That was because he already knew she was dead (in fact he thought she was dead years before her truly death). But after being abandoned by his father, find out that he has been abandoned by his mother too was too painful. Also if you watch that scene again, he yells at Hook something like "i bet YOU took her heart off". He think, or want to think, that was Hook who killed his mother, not Rumpel.
I think Bae is in the right totally in this scene, I would be mad at my Dad if he did that to me too, however, if I were Rumple I would turn around and say "we'll, go and practice what you preach son, go and tell emma why you abandoned her."
We SHOULD expect Rumple to say the wrong thing because he's a desperate man. Remember what Belle said in episode one, ' you're still a man who makes wrong choices...I thought you had changed.' Rumple screwed up then by responding with ' what?...in the hour you've known me?' Rumple still thinks magic and power is answer and that has always been his go-to solution for life's problems. In this case, however, his desire for power & control is what drove them apart.
one thing that was cute that I noticed in the beginning and its not just small glances around the room. But did you notice where baelfire kept looking towarrds the window it was actually cute good acting michael. It was actually pointing out where he'd much rather be. Baelfire may still care for his father but due to his issues he would much rather have his father gone and to be left alone with his newfound son and ex-girlfriend.
hahha i totally understand you! but you didn't want Rumpel to say what he said or Neal? Because i was like, shut up both of you!!! Rumpel couldn't stop saying the wrong things, the wrong "solutions". And what Neal said was SO true, but watching Rumpel getting all those hits was SO heartrending!!
It's true that Bae doesn't approve of Rumple using magic to 'solve' his problems and bend others to his will. However, I think that Bae went through a lot during the time separated from his Father and those experiences (both good & bad) made him into the person he is today. Also, he just found out he has a son he didn't know existed. I guess this comes down to power and control. Where Rumple wanted power over other people, Bae wanted power and control over his life and he didn't have that at 14.
you are right. he hasn't learned anything, Its such a sad scene because like Bobby said in an interview, after all those years that's all he has to offered. He didn't stop to think what his son would feel. He was offering to him what HE wanted: make like nothing has happened. He think Bae has spent his life as him. frozen still he could find his papa. But no, he went on, and made a life. And Rumpel is asking him to take away all his life to pretend nothing has happened. too selfish..
@@andrewkomaniecki480 I never hated him. I ended up liking the Captain Swan relationship but wish it didn't have to come at the expense of Neal/Bae dying
There's a theory floating around about Bae having gone to Neverland first and he is also Peter Pan. Possibly..but one issue I have with that is, Peter Pan was the boy who didn't want to grow up. Here, Bae is incredulous and says 'I don't want to be 14 again..what? are you insane?' Doesn't sound like something Peter would say.
For Rumple, as a coward he felt powerless and wasn't taken seriously by others until he had The Dark One's power. Once he possessed it...even though his initial intentions were good, he found that liked intimidating others as he had been his whole life. He lost sight of his original plan and as a result lost he son as well.
But it makes him evil all he has done since he obtained the power. And i think very inside Bae will always have that hope of his father giving up his power. Because it would means that the truly and finally has chosen his son before power
0:37 - “2 minutes”
2:39 - “nah times up”
Wow, Neal has excellent almost pin point sense of time
Wow indeed
He was stuck in Neverland..time was a thing there
Tick tock Papa, tick tock!
@@JavertRA PFFT
It explains why Neal said " more years than you can imagine" cos he went to neverland.
"14? I don't wanna be 14 again, are you insane?"
Imagine the pain of going through puberty again.
I'll pass, thanks.
F that
I have a thought for Pinnochio.
It wasn’t that bad
@@dannyt3522 Not if you’re a guy. 😂
This reunion is so frickin realistic. You can see how Rumple had thought this all through but it was one-sided. And then you’re finally standing there with this real live person in front of you and the pain and messiness of it all suddenly so incredibly *real*. And there’s just nothing you could’ve done to prepare for it.
Does that make any sense whatsoever? Lol
YES.
I love neals hand motions when he is imitating rumplestiltskin!! spot on :D
Neal : "Try abandonment"
Gold : "I did"
It's true
@@michaelrauch8629But we didn't know that yet.
"i don't want to be 14 again. Are you insane?" haha
melissab93 I know, puberty...magic or not, that's the worst!
I honestly wouldnt mind being 14 again and doing things different...IF MY MEMORIES ARE STILL INTACT...
Hands down the most relatable thing Neal has ever said.
was thinking the same thing too
What do you expect, Neal?
"There's MAGIC there."
lol bae's like "dude, you're STILL hooked up with that?"
Rushy “Come with me to Storybrook, there’s magic there”
Neal: *you still don’t get it*
lol hook-ed
@@manishmadarie814 badum tss
I don't know if this was intentional on the actor's part, but Baelfire makes a lot of little gestures and movements when he talks to people, sort of like what Rumplestiltskin does.
Bae likes to sway from side to side, look left and right, touch his face/hair, roll his eyes, move his arms, and make gestures with his fingers a lot.
+iRazenrak You're really perceptive. I never noticed that before, but now you mention it I see it. That you for helping me see different parts of the performance.
I think it's purposeful, some of the gestures are exactly rumple.
I don't know if the actor intended it or he's just like that, though.
I though it was deliberate when he said "all this... (gestures) crap"
Rumple: “there’s no bigger pain than regret”
Neal: “try abandonment”
Rumple: “my mother gave me up not too long after I was born and my father ditched me for the sake of power”
Neal: “well shit that second one seems familiar”
Rumple: “my father never came back *I* did”
Neal: “you were lucky”
Come on it would not be out of place for once upon a time to take it that far in fact it’d be right at home I kinda wish they did go that direction
That would give away too many plot points.
They hadn’t written the upcoming seasons yet lol.
Lel Uchiha
That’s why this is a hypothetical
Me: well you did abandon Henry 🤣
@@DgardsGaming
at what point?
"I've changed." Yeah, I'm sure Baelfire could see that as he watched you lose your shit with Emma, Rumple...
Know what, I feel bad for Rumple, but I hella respect Bae for saying "I never got closure, so neither will you"
Ice cold but makes you go damnnn
2:15, it's so sad and heart-breaking, but I can't help but laugh every single time at Neal's version of Rumple
I know right
I came here to find a comment like this XD
Season 3 reference
@@Scarlettraventaqua1 season 3 when??
@@JMPC98 th-cam.com/video/K7zhglW-K8M/w-d-xo.html at 0:24
I love this scene! In my opinion, Neal has EVERY right to hate Rumple, he chose power over his son and he's *still* trying to use magic to fix everything! It'd be different if Rumple learned from his mistakes and actually tried to stop using magic and prove that he could be a good father again but does he do this? Nope, he's still the same guy, still uses magic and people to get what he wants! I know Rumple regretted leaving Neal the minute it happened and spent a long time trying to find a way to get back to him, but *he* could have chosen his son but he didn't.
To be honest, it's actually great, for me anyway, to see someone be angry and argue with the one who's supposedly a parent but just abandons you for selfish reasons! What does rumple expect just for Neal to welcome him back into his life with open arms like nothing happened?! Although I did feel bad for rumple when Neal told him "no, I didn't get closure so you don't either. We're done.".
I mean you can kind of see both sides also considering your comment as one year ago this is after the part where you see how rumple actually erased his sons memory to save him from being corrupted by magic as a kid.
"Come with me to Storybrooke. There's MAGIC there."
Bae's like "man, are you frickin' kidding me?"
He knows his dad hasn't changed a bit.
Neal was such a fantastic character
yeah, me too i loved neal, he was one of my favorite character
I think that Rumple in Season 4 is ingenious. Honestly, Baelfire and Belle are his life, no matter what. He spent centuries looking for Baelfire, and that search is not only what kept him sane but also encouraged him to join the good side. I feel that Bae dying for him probably left a scar in Rumple- like he was not powerful enough to save Bae and himself. This scar led to him resorting to power again and becoming evil when Belle banished him, and he lost both of the loves (Bae and Belle) of his life.
Rumple: There's no greater than regret.
Bae: Try Abandonment.
Rumple: Your grandfather left me for youth. At least I looked every where for you.
"Come with me to storybrooke. There's magic there."
Neal's face LOL.
Yeah good job thing thing that made him leave you in the first place used to try and get him back because that works 😂
when neal does the hand thing when he says "all this" it just makes me smile every time and i honestly think that whenever he thought about seeing rumple again he you say 'im gonna do the thing he did every f*cking day'
Poor Rumple. :(
This scene is so heartbreaking, I can understand why Bae is mad/upset with him, but my heart still can't help but break for Rumple, he has been trying to fix his mistake from the moment he made it.
"I came here, to this city, without magic."
*You've got something on your shoulder there bud.*
That was only so he would remember everything
My God, this Michael Raymond James was fantastic in this scene! really really wonderful
2:16 he did the rumple gesture XD
He said, "I don't care. I didn't get closure, so you don't either"
I have seen this seen many times... and i gotta say...
Michael Raymond-James acted the hell out of that scene! So great!
the subtle hand gestures that Baelfire does at 2:14 to remind The Dark One of the deal they made is like salt in the wound
yes, in this scene baelfire/neal says the whole anger he has against his father for having abandoned him
Imagine how livid you have to be to stare down someone who under any other circumstances would have magic at their disposal and cut them so deep. This moment was Rumple's price.
rumple has abandoned baelfire and he does everything possible for having his forgiveness
and he has always felt of remorse for having abandoning him
I love when Neal does the Rumple magic hand movement.
He ( Robert Carlyle) really does draw you in to whatever he's saying and doing.....A truly awesome actor!
Take a shot everytime rumple says he’ll change in the show
Whenever than rumple is happy he destroys everything himself, it's an asshole
will always be my favorite episode
Rumple had a choice; Be with his son or keep being the Dark One. And he chose keep being the Dark One, plain and simple.
Rumple always had a bad habit of making bad & wrong choices.
Rumple should’ve met Bae in the afterlife instead of Belle. Yes she was important to him, but the whole story started because of Rumple’s motivation to reunite with his child. It would’ve been a more satisfying ending if his final scene on the show was that very reunion, never for father and son to be separated again.
exactly you are right, and for reminder, it was precisely for baelfire that rumple has wanted to become the dark one
and when sadly baelfire died under the eyes of rumple i cried with him
Ah, back when Rumple was a relatable character...
DarthRushy So true!
"Come with me to Storybrooke. There's magic there!"
lol Bae is like "Are you kidding me?"
Neal has every right to be pissed at his Dad after everything he put him through. Rumple was a stupid idiot to think Neal would just forgive him and hug him.
Exactly you are right, rumple has betrayed the promise that he has done at neal, And that's why he doesn't trust him anymore.
Neal can see through Rumple's excuses.
Neal was right that magic can't make everything that Rumple did in the past better.
@@jordonwood-13 Exactly, in fact it's rumple who needs to improve himself
@@jordonwood-13 and in the season 2 (like Regina) He tries to learn to become nice
This scene makes me want to kick August in the teeth. Rumple laid himself bare in The Return. He was totally vulnerable, humbly and honestly apologizing and asking for forgiveness. Can you imagine how he felt when his 'son' accepted it? That horrible burden of guilt finally lifted? It had to be the happiest moment of Rumple's life. And then August socked him in the gut with his deception. Not wonder he's hiding behind the "Let me fix it with magic!' clause here. Poor Rumple AND poor Baefire.
Honestly the worst characters in my opinion would be August, Milah, Reul Ghorm, Tiger Lily, and (just for kix) Anna and Elsa.
Ugh, this scene hurts so much. What an amazing acting on both parts.
Also, Belle has enabled Gold WAY too much and it's clearly showing here. She's managed to convince him that in spite of all the evil things he's done (and still does the second she's not around), that he expects the same from Bae. It never occurs to him that he might have to work for redemption because Belle always gives him a free pass and he never has to. Its easy for Belle to say he's good when she's always managed to talk him out of doing evil when she's around; Bae didn't have that luxury.
But when Hook told that to Bae, he didn't believe Hook. He said something like "i bet YOU took her heart off". It could have been that he was too much angered and distressed because he thought he finally has found a home and a kind of family (hook and his crew) but then he found out that Hook was the cause of why he hadn't his mother any more (for one reason or another). So i think rather he truly thinks Hook killed her, or he prefers to believe it.
Wow, robert carlyle is breathtaking in this scene! All scenes
right, everything happened in a breath (when Rumpel choose "magic" over his son) i think that can't be considered as a completely choice. He was afraid, he had lived a life of misery and pain UNTIL magic arrived in his life. Magic also was the reason of why Bae is still alive. So one can't just blame him for be afraid. At the instant he realized what had happened he implored to go with his son. And has dedicated his life to find him
The scene with August was so much better (after he said he was Baelfire)
VioletxPurple yeah, I'm still confused as to why he never said those things to the real Bae.
Technically we can justify Rumpelstiltskin saying that what he did was more an impulse than a choice. At least he did everything to try to find him, while his mother, even if it is declared repented, never came back to get him (although the hook, however, said that they just wanted to wait for her to grow up before doing so). But in fact, however, Bae has every reason to be angry with his father.
I felt so bad for Gold...but his idea of turning the clock back and taking away his memories is absurd. Bae just discovered the son he never knew he had...his experiences over the last 20 years has made him who he is...why would he think Bae wants to forget Emma and his son. Gold needs to realize that magic and power is not the answer...some things you just can't fix. He needs to learn from his past mistakes and try to build a new relationship with his adult son.
“I can take away the memories.”
Me: So, you can make an 11 year old boy disappear?
I`m still watching this and it is going to be season 4 this fall! Neal the phone for you please answer it is very important which the message is come BACK TO THE SHOW RIGHT NOW YOUNG MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cryed for rumple but understood neils theory and now from all the confusion i have a headache
0:52
If "i" were Bae: "14?! I don wanna be 14!! Are u insane? Must I look like a brother to my own son and look like a son to my own wife?
you are right, and i think that's exactly what would say baelfire
I love Neal
(Michael Raymond James is awesome he's my background on my phone)
Ashley Elizabeth not a bad face to stare at every day.
Of course, but she knows there is the true Rumpel (the one he was after the curse) behind that curse. So what she does, convincing him to bring out his good side, is not a bad thing at all. Thanks Belle, he is striving to have a good behavior. Reject him, hate him and confront him in a bad way has never managed that
Neal has every right to let him go useing magic on others isn't the answear sure he tried to fix things but let magic take controll. Beautiful acting truly
Now that I've seen the last two episodes of season 2, this all makes sense. And yes, (spoiler alert) Bae did go to Neverland, where he learned (another spoiler) that his mother was killed by Rumple. Now there's even more questions. If Bae knew the whole time that his father killed his mother, why hasn't he called him out on it yet? That doesn't make sense to me. And I totally agree that Rumple should have used the speech on Bae that he used on August.
There is so much wrong with this scene here. For starters, Gold's speech to August when he was under the impression he was actually his son was much more heartfelt than this one. He owned up to what he did and apologized ; here its like he's saying, "Hey, try and see my side of things here. I know I screwed up and you suffered for it, but I've got my problems too."
To Rumple, without magic, he’s nothing. Everyone can see that.
Rumple's a crappy Dad.
Eh I wouldn't have handled the situation like Rumple did. I would've explained to Neal why I let go him whilst we were above the portal. Then I would just say "I'm sorry for what I did. I wish I never did it. All the pain you experienced because of what I did.. I wish you never went through it. I'm so sorry you did. Please forgive me." At this point he has apologised for everything, said he wished Bae hadn't gone through the pain he did as a result of Gold's actions so I think Neal would have to forgive him.
SongMeanings but he said something similar to this to August back in season one when he thought it was Bae. He told him he spent every waking hour looking for him. I wish we had that speech.
If Rumple had said;
"Come with me back to Storybrooke - if not for me, do it for Henry. You get to be with your son, and I get at the very least to _see_ you, if nothing else. I know that I hurt you, and I understand if you wouldn't forgive me, I have certainly never forgiven myself, but - I can't take it back. I _can't_ change the past, and I don't even know if it is possible to make up for the lost time, but I can offer you as much of the time we have ahead of us as you like, if you want it. Please, give me a chance."
If he said this, or even the same line he said to August in this scene: th-cam.com/video/1dcKWomMFtA/w-d-xo.html
How do you think Neal would have reacted?
I don't know how neal would have reacted but you made a very nice text for rumple
@@soixsantes Thanks. ^^
@@ninclow5421 and rumple loves really his son and it was for him that he wanted to become the dark one
@@soixsantes Yeah, that's how I remember it too.
@@ninclow5421 and when baelfire (neal) died before the eyes saddened of rumple and emma , I cried with them
Technically, however, she was strict when it came to honesty, keeping promises, and kill. This series shows us just that is not easy to redeem a person, and that in some cases you have to have understanding and patience. Belle could help to improve him because it is past above all his past crimes. Anyway, Rumpelstiltskin was not completely naive. After all, even after this conversation did not give up the hope of peace with his son. He had expected that it would not be easy anyway.
I couldn’t stand how Neal treated Emma but I wish that he hadn’t died. Henry didn’t get a chance to know his father. I think if Neal had lived that Rumplestiltskin would have been a better grandfather to Henry. Henry was the last link to Neal and he didn’t even try to bond with Henry.
I liked the nice rumplestilskin at least then he truly loves his son baelfire feels that his father abandoned him I don't blame him
He chose magic over his own son.
so sad.. :'(
you made me realize of something! i already get why he didn't offered the apology that he gave to August. At that moment he hadn't got his magic, so it was all he has to offered. i agree, it would be much better but he doesn't think so.His life started to go well when he got magic. (specially because it saved his son's life). Now he has magic again, he returns to the safe thing. It's like a drug, or wine for alcoholics. If he tastes a little of it, he can't help but hold on to it
I like how Nealfire imitated Rumple's little magic hand gesture.
Rumple always uses magic as an excuse.
2:15 I know y’all laughed at that part 😂
This scene made me like Michael Raymond James as an actor...Too good
Rumpel has always relied on magic. As he said, its a crutch that he can't walk without. Baelfire has always been the driving regret and and love in his life that kept something human in him which Belle could find and bring out. His offer to turn back the clock for Bael is simply his astonishingly clumsy and unworkable solution for this problem. To take everything back to how it used to be when he was still Bae's 'poppa'. So don't beat Rumpel up for it. It's the wrong idea, but he means well.
I agree because in the Disney version the crocodile takes hooks hand and Hook is Peter's nemesis. I love how this show has a different way of presenting the story. Making Rumple 'The Crocodile' was a genius idea.
That was because he already knew she was dead (in fact he thought she was dead years before her truly death). But after being abandoned by his father, find out that he has been abandoned by his mother too was too painful. Also if you watch that scene again, he yells at Hook something like "i bet YOU took her heart off". He think, or want to think, that was Hook who killed his mother, not Rumpel.
i love his impression of rumple soooooooooooooo good
this part was so good man
I think Bae is in the right totally in this scene, I would be mad at my Dad if he did that to me too, however, if I were Rumple I would turn around and say "we'll, go and practice what you preach son, go and tell emma why you abandoned her."
you can see that ruple cares about his son and it pains him to see his son scared by what he did
baelfire/neal doesn't trust at rumple anymore after than he abandons him
Robert Carlyle is terrific.
We SHOULD expect Rumple to say the wrong thing because he's a desperate man. Remember what Belle said in episode one, ' you're still a man who makes wrong choices...I thought you had changed.' Rumple screwed up then by responding with ' what?...in the hour you've known me?' Rumple still thinks magic and power is answer and that has always been his go-to solution for life's problems. In this case, however, his desire for power & control is what drove them apart.
"There's MAGIC there"
Spoken like a right drug addict
So much respect for Bae as a person cause of this.
What's the OST at the end of Baelfire's speech about not getting closure?
i loved it too! he did it excellent!
Funny how rumple brings up magic when that is what came between them in the first place
one thing that was cute that I noticed in the beginning and its not just small glances around the room. But did you notice where baelfire kept looking towarrds the window it was actually cute good acting michael. It was actually pointing out where he'd much rather be. Baelfire may still care for his father but due to his issues he would much rather have his father gone and to be left alone with his newfound son and ex-girlfriend.
hahha i totally understand you! but you didn't want Rumpel to say what he said or Neal? Because i was like, shut up both of you!!! Rumpel couldn't stop saying the wrong things, the wrong "solutions". And what Neal said was SO true, but watching Rumpel getting all those hits was SO heartrending!!
rumple deserved what he got from bae
You did see that Bae didn't go apeshit on Rumple when he learned about Milah's death, but that instead, his first reaction was "she abandoned me" ?
I agree! I like that scenario.
It's true that Bae doesn't approve of Rumple using magic to 'solve' his problems and bend others to his will. However, I think that Bae went through a lot during the time separated from his Father and those experiences (both good & bad) made him into the person he is today. Also, he just found out he has a son he didn't know existed. I guess this comes down to power and control. Where Rumple wanted power over other people, Bae wanted power and control over his life and he didn't have that at 14.
you are right. he hasn't learned anything, Its such a sad scene because like Bobby said in an interview, after all those years that's all he has to offered. He didn't stop to think what his son would feel. He was offering to him what HE wanted: make like nothing has happened. He think Bae has spent his life as him. frozen still he could find his papa. But no, he went on, and made a life. And Rumpel is asking him to take away all his life to pretend nothing has happened. too selfish..
@WakeyWakey200 He said "Don't care. I don't get closure, so you don't either."
I don't get why everyone hates Neal. If anyone was in his position, they would leave someone who abandoned them.
you loved neal you too ?
@@soixsantes I wished they could have developed his character more and yes, I liked him as well
@@andrewkomaniecki480 and you have loved his relationship with emma too?
@@andrewkomaniecki480 I never hated him. I ended up liking the Captain Swan relationship but wish it didn't have to come at the expense of Neal/Bae dying
True. Rumple really messed up the reunion. Again.
There's a theory floating around about Bae having gone to Neverland first and he is also Peter Pan. Possibly..but one issue I have with that is, Peter Pan was the boy who didn't want to grow up. Here, Bae is incredulous and says 'I don't want to be 14 again..what? are you insane?' Doesn't sound like something Peter would say.
For Rumple, as a coward he felt powerless and wasn't taken seriously by others until he had The Dark One's power. Once he possessed it...even though his initial intentions were good, he found that liked intimidating others as he had been his whole life. He lost sight of his original plan and as a result lost he son as well.
It’s too bad that Baelfire never live though season 4! He would piss off at his father again,but in. Later season he forgiven!
you have loved baelfire you too ?
I still don't understand why was Rumple so sure Bae was still alive. It's been like 200 hundred years, did he also predict that he'd go to Neverland?
He found his Bae xD
Yay
BAHAHHA OMG I NEVER LAUGHED HARDER.
I love u Neal!!
Sometimes I forget that this is acting and not real because of Robert Carlyle.
I noticed that right away..shades of Commedia dell'arte..like father like son...lol!
But it makes him evil all he has done since he obtained the power. And i think very inside Bae will always have that hope of his father giving up his power. Because it would means that the truly and finally has chosen his son before power