Perhaps one of these days - but the time's still not right. Don't forget that I'm deeply involved in a business operation and have a local gf, so leaving for me isn't so simple. Otherwise, I would have left first chance I got after the shenanigans of covid. I saw a side of China that cannot be unseen nor forgotten.
Vlogging in China is dead, because of the great political divide between the extreme anti-China and pro-China bloggers. It’s just so hard to find a well balanced China blogger nowadays.
As a Chinese American who always go on TH-cam I seen many Chinese TH-camr：Nathan Rich, Serpentza, Laowhy86, Gweilao 60, China Teacher and many more. All of them have political affiliation, I don’t trust what they say unless. It’s hard to find a much honest trust about my nation of heritage. Wished there’s more honest TH-camr and news channel talking honest and balanced truth about China. I still remember the days when Laowhy86 and Serpentza’s video was honest, nice, and balanced about China. I miss those days.
If you say to not trust foreign expat’s video on China than there’s nothing to trust and to believe. Because the western media and what everyone says about China is already extremely biased and negative.
It’s definitely becoming nauseating how generic these videos have been. However, I try to take it all with a grain of salt. What the China vloggers show are only the positives; and what western media shows is only the negatives. It’s up to you to verify where in the middle is the truth. Go there and find out for yourself. (Not you personally. You already live there)
OK but this IS Western Media. You are seeing these positives on Western media. The Western media has 10000000s of videos that are all praises, some exaggerating China's success, some only cover the best parts of China. So your rule simply isn't true. You can see it right here, now and for the last 20 years and of course many videos here are from 40 and 50 years ago anyway.
not quite correct. I would describe the reporting in the local German media as differentiated and balanced. The increased efforts in climate protection and the high level of innovation in China are often mentioned in a positive light, and Chinese cars always score well in car magazines. The reporting is factual and fact-orientated, never polemical, at best critical. The narrative that ‘Western media’ are spreading lies about China merely serves to legitimise these CPC videos. What particularly annoys me is the fact that the fundamental criticism of Western media takes place in a Western medium that is blocked in China and, conversely, channels from Western media are unthinkable in Chinese social media.
@@VerkaterterStiefel I stand corrected. What I see in American media is 99% negative. Maybe 99.9%. I’ve never seen 1 positive piece. It always has some negative slant, no matter how positive or even innocuous the situation. That’s nauseating too. Same for most BBc pieces I’ve watched on YT. However I must admit that the major auto magazines have been rather unbiased with their reporting of Chinese cars. They just report on the tech, no politics. And then you read the comments from their readers, most of which mirror the sentiments from our general media. (These cars are great! But at what cost?? This from the same country that’s genociding Muslims?? This from the country of Tiananmen Massacre?? Etc)
@@Johnnydoenyc Spoil your evening and read Chinese media (also available in English). You will soon regret your words. Chinese media is in full attack mode against the “West”. There is no "negative slant", it is a veritable purgatory! I remember that after Pelosi's visit to Taiwan, there were 13 anti-USA articles on the Global Times' online page with almost the same headline and similar content (at a time when the coronavirus was rampant in China, affecting a third of the population were locked up). I simulatenously checked on Fox News and after a long search I found a somewhat critical China article. Isn't it the same in the USA as here in Germany that there is a free press with a correspondingly diverse range of media and opinions? Some are more favorable towards China, while others are not.
As a Chinese national I wont be surprised if all you said is only among Chinese ppl in China, because the self censorship has always been unfathomably severe here. But if it's among foreigners in China as well... idk what to say, kinda sorry. I appreciate ur video though, esp. during such time when I got the feeling the world is abandoning the country back into obscurity, they got all the reasons to do so I believe and I don't blame anyone else. Like your video reminiscent of the gone times when people still making honest vlogs about China, I look forward to the next era when more Chinese ppl having open and welcome minds. Good luck
I noticed an explosion of "around the world" travel vlogs by CHina youtubers. But very recently they all died down, and at the same time, there are news about how these China vloggers are being shaken down for $$$ by authorities in Africa and Middle East for instance, and some are even jailed, like a video i watched abt a China cycling vlogger who got jailed in Syria
Just recently I saw the most egregious 'panderbear' type of sponsored vlog. Yes, it was one of those couples who got a sponsored trip and the video was titled "SHOCKED at the REAL China the WEstern MEdiA LIED to US!!" [something like that] The video was so 'pat' tour-by-numbers, airport, tiananmen square.... and actually it seems SO familiar and then coincidentally youtube had a recommendation in the sidebar that was, wait for it, a BBC piece from about 8 years ago and if you ran the 'SHOCKED COUPLE' video beside the old BBC Video? It was damn ear frame-by-frame exactly the same locations. Just exactly like the couple took that 2016 video and literally 'Reenacted' it, almost seems to be the exact same angle, same timing, same order! So to review the insane irony: Couple is shocked by what the Western Media LIED to them about in their video in which they are ON WESTERN MEDIA (youtube) and then watched a Western Media video about China and then copied it almost exactly location by location. And if they were doing this on purpose to be 'meta' I would love it but I'm convinced they weren't being smart but just did that thinking what? Indeed, they had rows and rows of, how to say this, '5 cent' comments. "The WEstern MEdia WoN"t SHOW thiS!!". A comment posted on Western media. That is blocked inside China. Ironies piled on Ironies.
Thanks! This kind of video was long overdue! I could write a lot now, but I'll limit myself to the bare essentials. I lived in China from 2008 to 2012 and from 2017 to 2023. When I came to China for the second time in 2017, I was shocked (sic!) at how much the media coverage and public discourse had changed. I was disgusted by this hostility and inappropriate way of praising oneself to the skies and blaming everything that wasn't going perfectly in one's own country on foreign countries and foreigners living in the country. However, as my VPN only worked intermittently and I read non-Chinese news in Western media, I only learnt about these CPC-... - videos after I had returned back to my home country. Since then, my image of China has been destroyed for good. It is still an interesting country with great people, sights, landscapes and food, but XJP has ruined the image of this country in a completely unnecessary way. Yes, this flood of CPC videos are directly related to this president. And a few other things that I'd rather not write here.
Totally agree. I also used to live in China. The propaganda there is truly disgusting. They swear to high heaven that everything good in the world is from China and all trouble in the world is from the US. Post-covid they've quietly toned down the Wolf Warrior diplomacy. But their constant self-aggrandizement is as rampant as ever.
@@yuguo-md3hy I guess you missed the part in the video where I stated that I enjoy my time here and love traveling around. Seems you missed the entire point of the video actually...
@@chopsticksandtrains wish you good luck. Hope you have an exit strategy. Fortunately my wife speeks fluent German , has been living abroad before and also got "annoyed" by what was going on in C, so it wasn`t that difficult to leave. Moreover, we have two kids who were of school age.
Here some thing before i start, i can actually by starting off this by talking about vlogging in China in general but if i did, its going to be long and not something wanted to read after a long day plus going to make the reader getting bored from it plus looking dry (certainly Mr. chopsticks does not want reading a very very long comment and getting bored from it). Also I enjoyed the sound when you make that related to money, its super interesting and nice and i liked it very much on that part. Some of the recent trends that is being seen is me thinking that it is starting to feel like the vlogging or youtubing (if that's a actual word, but yeah got my meaning i suppose) of travel to different countries getting steam after the pandemic. It's a thing that have started since internet begin with more usage by people, and so people liking to travel to different countries got a new way to show what they have seen. China is becoming a new place for the travel people, like although it has been not a new trend which i mean before the pandemic , started to booming (or if there's another word for it which i don't have unfornatly) after the 144 hour visa is being released. I do find it somewhat surpising with both their reactions, and what they first see after they came to China. I do observe from most of these travel youtubers, that they had little to zero knowledge about China and getting realy shocked by it for reasons i do not know. Its also pretty obvious, that most of these travel youtubers does not know the lanauge nor can they be able to say a word in Chinese. Despite so, its just something that they actually just thinks or finds it to be different or not is expected based on their first hand experience or what they had seen. Funny that travel youtubers goes to so many countries, only to get a certain reaction when heading to one country. I gotta say, it is very okay for these first time coming vistors and these travel online creators when they are in China. Being first time visting a country can be a interesting, and an experience that can't be forgotton. And its nice to have them here in China to. I wish these travel youtubers a awesome and amazing time when they are in China and welcome to all travel youtubers to come and visit China. My only concern, is having all these foreign travel online people going to be coming to China also bringing in these certain online creators who go there and make trouble or in a not so nice way, nuisance to society (i guess Mr. Chopsticks get who i am referring to). Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Mr.Chopsticks!
Bit strange. You mention that if you post positive stuff you will get tons of clicks from Chinese, but a minute before you said that average Chinese do not have access to TH-cam. I see 3 types. Travelers, People that live in China and people that found out that any negative video about china gets tons more hits from outside of china. Been here 17 years now. Lived in the USA for 20 plus before and am originally from Germany. Would I recommend others to live in China. Yes, if you are open to change and willing to learn the language. If you set in your ways and dont want to learn Chinese, then its not a place for you. I personally dont really post for two reasons. I have a good job managing the Research and Development department of a German company in China. Second, my private time is to little as it is, so I do not want to spend it making and editing videos.
Thanks. I like your content...do you think that these generic "I visited Ch and was shocked , impressed etc at how much better it is than the West" are self initiated with the knowledge that such videos do well?....or are they invited by State tourism department(s) with conditions attached?. They seem so generic and so many that some kind of guiding hand appears to be likely...
haha Eric G was butt hurt too about the hype travel vloggs. Maybe youve seen his small channel about that Nio EV, but anyway he did some parody vids about this, but most chinese dont get sarcasm and he got blasted a little too. but ya, i was watching these vlogs because i missed shanghai, but i was thinking the same thing, and i just had to stop. always the same shit. thats why i appreciate you bro. honestly, keeping those old school serpentza and laowhy vibes going... cuz those guys are a whole diff thing now and after WE all ultimately get out of china there is a bitterness that they feed into, but after a while you just stop caring about whats happening in china and just feel sad about it after seeing news and talking to peops you still know there. the rest of the world doesnt care anymore now that the decline is deep. im surprised the vlogs get so many views but we know how they get pumped. keep on it bro. thaks for the content.
Yeah, Eric wasn't quite a shill - I could sense he maybe came close. Good on him for choosing integrity over shillhood, I even directly gave him props for that. The NIO shilling was a bit much for me though, TBH. But he's off to Thailand now. His China days are done. I appreciate the support my friend! Thanks for sticking with the channel!
@@chopsticksandtrains I didnt catch that he was going to Thai... ya it all ends eventually. My buddy and i had a saying "either you get out early, or you get out too late," and I would add that usually "It's not on your own terms." The common question became "when are you leaving." I still think there will be a group of people that extend it out there no matter what unless they completely shut down english or there is a war, which i hope not because i still want taiwan to be a major part of my life. TW really is the china i wish it all could be.
@@VerkaterterStiefel China Uncle Mikey is really great too and walks that line. It's pretty clear off camera he'd probably have more to say. Even if one doesn't want to tune in to post-China Serpenza/C-Milk, all the OG China VLOG stuff from - back in the day - is still available at ADVChina, and is nice for seeing what cn vlogging used to be, and could be like.
@@ferrariguy8278 thanks for the recommendations, I will check it out. Yeah, Serpentza became way too negative, bitter and one sided after he has left China. But fortunately there is still a lot to discover from his old stuff.
@ Thanks for the reply. Her videos seem very well made, and they look like they are made by herself, alone, personally. They are all positive, but not completely complimentary, as if she gives everything critical thought. Still, they nag at me - how can she get the right to upload onto TH-cam? Is what I'm seeing modified to fit a censor, or a propaganda goal? She did vlogs from other countries and had spent time in a university in Europe, I believe. Still, I think your vlogs are the most interesting of China of those I've seen for a long time. Thanks.
@@Kirk_G. Yeah, from what I gather her vids are high quality and very well made. But the fact that there's no getting around is that TH-cam is blocked for Chinese citizens and doing so on their own is simply illegal. That's just the unavoidable fact of the matter. And I really appreciate the support, Kirk! Glad to have you here!
@@chopsticksandtrainsyou are wrong, nobody gets in trouble for using TH-cam in China, firewall is a protection from mainly American propaganda, you know, the billion dollar budget the government has to push anti China rhetoric. Lots of people use VPN and it’s not a problem
Are these China vloggers telling us the truth? Just lies do you think? I have travelled China and watched many China travel vlogs, good and bad like most content creation. I don’t recall any of them lying about what they are seeing and experiencing. Maybe cherry picking the positive and turning a blind eye to some of the not so great parts of China. My travel in China was amazing and I saw it all, good, bad and ugly. Not anything even close to what I expected. Go look for yourself, super cheap adventure.
I went to China 20 years ago. It’s obvious to me you have a certain amount of “freedom” but just don’t do anything to embarrass the government. There are tons of dirt poor people in China, but that’s not what the government will allow to be shown. All the videos on TH-cam showing ghetto American areas and homeless, those type of videos would not be allowed in China to even be filmed. It’s not that China doesn’t have those places. It’s the government is censoring those things.
You're looking at the tree. Step back and see the forest. The truth is right in front of you, John. Glad you had a good adventure in China though. I often do as well.
You sound like a bot when you tell a guy who lives in China to "go and see for yourself," as if he doesn't see for himself every second of every day. Also doesn't help that "go there and see for yourself" is a very, very common parting shot from Chinese bots. I know you won't respond. I'm just giving a heads up to any bystanders that happen to be reading this comment.
I haven’t been to China before I like to go visit Nanking Massacre Museum pay respect to Chinese citizens lost their lives during war, Desert place between China and Mongolian, and very cool mountains mix with grass field. Also get know each other well like talk about enjoy life.
I was in Bejing and Guangzoh 3 days ago. I got TH-cam and posted on FB while in the Forbidden city and The Great Wall. I was so impressed and blown away in China. I’m from Seattle and got a ten year visa
How many other countries have you been to? If you’ve been to any smart cities in the RoK or Japan, were you equally blown away? If not why not? Any thought to going to Taiwan? Given what I know of people who are “blown away” by the PRC I am curious to know your perspectives.
It was 10 years ago when I was last in China, but I couldn't get access to TH-cam. I don't have a Facebook account, so can't comment on that. I couldn't access Yahoo(other than Yahoo Mail), Google or various media sources like the New York Times or my local San Francisco Bay Area newspapers.
Glad you had a good trip. Guangzhou is fun but Beijing is LAME these days. They killed off the international tourist scene there. I have a video about it. Perhaps you could make a video talking about how 'SHOCKED you were', or maybe how China was NOT what you expected! LOL
@ ya your video was interesting. I was wondering how these young couple gweilo TH-camrs get 39k views with in hours? Now i know. I’m a former wire photographer so been to China back in 1999. My wife speaks fluent Mandarin so it was easy to get around. The only thing I felt dangerous was these EV bikes the delivery guys going so fast and can’t hear them coming. If you have a email I can send you images or video. My name is John
@@jaydee6268 I’m a professional photographer and photo journalist working with the wires. I’ve been to at least 80 plus countries and reside in Malaysia. Therefore I’m more than qualified to speak on these thoughts of China been the many times. And yes Japan tons of times I was born in Japan haha 😆
Glad you covered this topic. I have seen vloggers in China going from, "this is my take and vid style" to the pro CCP propaganda that oversaturates China vids on YT now, simply for the clicks. I do wonder if they ever consider how those vids will look, over the long term, especially if tensions between China, and the rest of the world continue to rise? On the flipside, I have unsubscribed from channels that focus solely on the negatives, and/or heavily criticize China as it just feeds into a loop. Regardless, of whether they report accurate facts. Neither types of vids give you a fair picture of China. I was pretty fortunate to have lived in China, and experience a lot of what it had to offer during my time there. Despite a lot of the issues, I genuinely hope things will change for the better one day.
Thanks, and you make some great points. I hope that I'm a place of refuge for you, in terms of China content! I try to be fair and balanced. Of course, the sensitive political topics are a no go for me here (for obvious reasons).
I watch this young lady travelling around China and elsewhere. "little Chinese Everywhere" I think it is . I really like her vids and sometimes wonder if it is a little bit of propaganda . I do not think so ????
most people who want to bypass firewalls or geoblocking actually should be using residential proxies and no vpns, as you can fingerprint a vpn when monitoring internet traffic, where a resproxy as actual real allocated ip block addresses for residential customers, so companies cannot actually block them.. as with tor is another way around firewall/geolocking and also works but tor since its encrypted with many hops will slow down the traffic.
@@nightowl7261 See? That's exactly what annoys us about you. You don`t wnat to think or even reflect, but you prefer to draw some convenient, preconceived conclusions stereotyping millions of people ("Westerners"). Nobody expects you to kowtow, where do these inferiority complexes come from? A little friendliness, openness and a realxed attitude could work wonders. It works with other nations too.
China hate? No 'China hate' here bud. I do hate unscrupulous, soulless shills though. Let me rephrase that, I do not hate THEM, but I hate what they are doing. It's never too late to become a better person.
@@Jaredbuncher yes there are plenty of anti China channels. Chopsticks isn’t one of them. And you can tell it’s very lucrative, judging by the huge volume of viewers. People love to hear that their hated neighbor is losing their house, getting a divorce, getting their car repossessed, etc. I used to have my coworkers run to me laughing in joy whenever Fox News said Chinese stocks were dropping, or anything bad was happening with China. These guys had no money. But they LOVED to hear that China might be imploding. It makes them feel better about themselves. 😉
Hey Ed! Nah, those comments weren't from my vid. They were from another guy who had a bad experience in China and his comment section got overtaken by wumao. Nothing against Monkey Steals Peach, he seems totally fine to me. I wish I'd noticed that part, I would have left his comment out - feel bad that his comment is wedged there between wumao comments.
Very good video! (Couldn't say it better. (Many western youtubers did travel videos in China these days. Yes superficial and not honest or not knowledgeable. Chinese government wants to boost tourism industry I guess? Most went to Chongqing)). "Criticisms"/ sharing your opinions/ speak your mind= shapes mental and then culture and society... Anyway nowadays I believe more in non verbal communication: because 3d brings you into duality: my opinion Vs your opinion. Beyond the 3d reality. Magnetism and hypnosis. Some call it telepsychism. Elite use these to control reality of mankind. I went beyond 3d which allows me to receive memories of objects, remote viewing, read in minds (there is a field of consciousness attached to anyone and a global field), exorcist "entities" (gathering of energies? living from believes? all is information). I will share on my channel all this. Very real. I experienced a lot already. Pity I didn't have these abilities back in China because now I can perceive memories... when I am in specific locations. XXX
Interesting! Hope you make a vid on that! I know for a fact that remote viewing is real. I've listened to a couple of podcasts featuring people who did it for a living for the US gov. (Shawn Ryan Podcast)
@@chopsticksandtrains Yes you know it is not a gift but for some people it is easier to do. You can get awakening from your life. I think the whole Chine youtube pushed me there somehow (kind of getting angry/ frustrations/ cold showers/ I already got it as a teenager skin peeling from hands...). All human beings are batteries with electric and magnetic energies. All is information but unseen. We are antennas. We can connect to different energies. Remote viewing I do sometimes to locate missing people (you can see from within and from above, and you can come back in time to see what happened, but sometimes it is very emotionnal, you know the target is dead and how she died and you can feel, also you know when the target doesn't want to be found and sometimes you have the relatives who ask for help but how can you tell them and you are nothing but they perceive you as savior. I gave it a break these days. Also locating precisely on a map is tough, you can know the surroundings but most of the time it is not enough to find the target). Anyway I will do videos to share. I met Jean Pierre Girard who was member of the US gov programm Stargate and russian. He told me how they "could" kill people with heart attacks and the negative karma that came from doing this. showed how he bends metal bars. I tell you some people are incredible. I have a friend who can see through walls and move big objects like chairs, levitate on her hand. There is really a two path evolution for mankind: AI Vs this awakening from within!
*sigh* Thanks for bucking the algorithm. I do wonder what will eventually win in the end. The opium of Nationalism with Chinse Characteristics, or reality and advancement via acknowledgement of flaws (along with celebration of triumphs).
You can say bad things and people can disagree. I see people say smoke problems or violently spitting problems in China and get positive response from Chinese viewers. Did it ever occur to you maybe you are the problem? Too many opinions not much facts?
Because smoking and spitting negatively impacts fellow Chinese. That's also why they'll admit problems like caili (dowry), youth unemployment, housing crisis, etc. But they will never ever EVER admit that they cause problems to other people. The thought of China/Chinese being the bully, rather than the innocent victim/selfless saviour, is literally unthinkable to the vast majority of Chinese citizens. Source: think of any international dispute between China and another country. In all my life I have never seen a Chinese person take the foreign country's side. Ever.
@@TheGuzeinbuick You surely don't know much about Chinese social media. There are lots of KOLs always take the US side. And they even give names for them.
@@aliciap6329 Alright then, let me hear your personal opinion. Pick an internaitonal dispute that involves China. In which cases was China in the wrong? I eagerly await your response.
Haha - hey man, you heard me say that there are a few vloggers I DO LIKE! It's easy to see who is a shill or sycophant and who's sincere. You are a good human being and I got nothing but love for ya brother.
@@chopsticksandtrains oh i'm just Joshin' ya! Appreciate your affirmation. I agree with you, its SO TIRING seeing shills echo the same themes over and over again. I like what you said - decent and logical to respect the country that you are a guest in, but.... objective vlogging is more and more rare.
He has little to worry about and neither do I. If you watch our channels, which are relatively small, you'll get to see some REAL praises of China, sometimes little admirable things, some are 'neutral' and he will point out some negatives, something that's not enjoyable. Sometimes people who actually care about China do complain and want these things made better. This might surprise people but China's government media watchers (and they do watch these channels) don't actually care that much about any kinds of opinions of really any kind of daily life things. In fact, we can do a LOT of griping and "i hate this and that!". Where there is trouble is vloggers who talk about usurping, disobeying or undermining the CCP government. Oh and really really watch out about 'Japan' comments. or the guy from Saskatchewan who was bragging about breaking the covid lockdown laws and had a little visit to the police station for a chat. but, although it might surprise people, we can talk a lot of shlt, gripe, complain, go on about '10 things i hate about living in China' and they won't care. It can also depend on how you do it. How you say things.
Sorry, but it's a Western medium that is blocked in China anyway. We can upload videos here as we like and comment on them. If you don't like that, you can let off steam on the streamlined Chinese media.
Yes you can have any take on it you like, but most people see it clearly. If you don't, that's fine. Maybe read some of the newspaper articles written about it.
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Why i love your channel, you are the exception. You still have your voice and haven’t sold your soul
Thanks my friend! 🙏
Get out of there dude… it’s time.
I agree Mike
He isn't. He loves it very much there despite how he feels. Loloolol
that`s exactly what I did after nine years of living in China. I left. In summer 2023. Couldn`t stand this jingoism anymore.
he won't leave he's a lifer rather go to chinese prison than go home.
Perhaps one of these days - but the time's still not right. Don't forget that I'm deeply involved in a business operation and have a local gf, so leaving for me isn't so simple. Otherwise, I would have left first chance I got after the shenanigans of covid. I saw a side of China that cannot be unseen nor forgotten.
Vlogging in China is dead, because of the great political divide between the extreme anti-China and pro-China bloggers. It’s just so hard to find a well balanced China blogger nowadays.
The reason that vlogging is dead in China is actually quite different than what you suggested here. Re-think it and let me know your next hypothesis.
As a Chinese American who always go on TH-cam I seen many Chinese TH-camr：Nathan Rich, Serpentza, Laowhy86, Gweilao 60, China Teacher and many more. All of them have political affiliation, I don’t trust what they say unless. It’s hard to find a much honest trust about my nation of heritage. Wished there’s more honest TH-camr and news channel talking honest and balanced truth about China.
I still remember the days when Laowhy86 and Serpentza’s video was honest, nice, and balanced about China. I miss those days.
If you say to not trust foreign expat’s video on China than there’s nothing to trust and to believe. Because the western media and what everyone says about China is already extremely biased and negative.
If we can’t trust foreign expat in China. Than there’s no one to trust, consider what media outside of China says about China.
I watch tons of videos on China and I really appreciate your eloquent and thoughtful analysis of the state vlogging there.
Thank you Nathaniel! 🙏🍻
Thank you for sharing. I like the generally apolitical nature of your channel.
It’s definitely becoming nauseating how generic these videos have been.
However, I try to take it all with a grain of salt. What the China vloggers show are only the positives; and what western media shows is only the negatives. It’s up to you to verify where in the middle is the truth. Go there and find out for yourself. (Not you personally. You already live there)
OK but this IS Western Media. You are seeing these positives on Western media.
The Western media has 10000000s of videos that are all praises, some exaggerating China's success, some only cover the best parts of China.
So your rule simply isn't true. You can see it right here, now and for the last 20 years and of course many videos here are from 40 and 50 years ago anyway.
not quite correct. I would describe the reporting in the local German media as differentiated and balanced. The increased efforts in climate protection and the high level of innovation in China are often mentioned in a positive light, and Chinese cars always score well in car magazines. The reporting is factual and fact-orientated, never polemical, at best critical.
The narrative that ‘Western media’ are spreading lies about China merely serves to legitimise these CPC videos.
What particularly annoys me is the fact that the fundamental criticism of Western media takes place in a Western medium that is blocked in China and, conversely, channels from Western media are unthinkable in Chinese social media.
Indeed.
West only shows negative.
China only shows positive.
So it balances itself out in the end.
Everyone else can take a hike.
@@VerkaterterStiefel
I stand corrected. What I see in American media is 99% negative. Maybe 99.9%. I’ve never seen 1 positive piece. It always has some negative slant, no matter how positive or even innocuous the situation. That’s nauseating too.
Same for most BBc pieces I’ve watched on YT.
However I must admit that the major auto magazines have been rather unbiased with their reporting of Chinese cars. They just report on the tech, no politics. And then you read the comments from their readers, most of which mirror the sentiments from our general media. (These cars are great! But at what cost?? This from the same country that’s genociding Muslims?? This from the country of Tiananmen Massacre?? Etc)
@@Johnnydoenyc Spoil your evening and read Chinese media (also available in English). You will soon regret your words. Chinese media is in full attack mode against the “West”. There is no "negative slant", it is a veritable purgatory!
I remember that after Pelosi's visit to Taiwan, there were 13 anti-USA articles on the Global Times' online page with almost the same headline and similar content (at a time when the coronavirus was rampant in China, affecting a third of the population were locked up). I simulatenously checked on Fox News and after a long search I found a somewhat critical China article.
Isn't it the same in the USA as here in Germany that there is a free press with a correspondingly diverse range of media and opinions? Some are more favorable towards China, while others are not.
3:58 My video shown there is 100% onboard with your sentiments btw
As a Chinese national I wont be surprised if all you said is only among Chinese ppl in China, because the self censorship has always been unfathomably severe here. But if it's among foreigners in China as well... idk what to say, kinda sorry. I appreciate ur video though, esp. during such time when I got the feeling the world is abandoning the country back into obscurity, they got all the reasons to do so I believe and I don't blame anyone else.
Like your video reminiscent of the gone times when people still making honest vlogs about China, I look forward to the next era when more Chinese ppl having open and welcome minds. Good luck
I really appreciate your thoughtful comment! you represent China well! 非常感谢您的支持🙏
站起来，不许跪！洋奴一个
I noticed an explosion of "around the world" travel vlogs by CHina youtubers. But very recently they all died down, and at the same time, there are news about how these China vloggers are being shaken down for $$$ by authorities in Africa and Middle East for instance, and some are even jailed, like a video i watched abt a China cycling vlogger who got jailed in Syria
Just recently I saw the most egregious 'panderbear' type of sponsored vlog. Yes, it was one of those couples who got a sponsored trip and the video was titled "SHOCKED at the REAL China the WEstern MEdiA LIED to US!!" [something like that]
The video was so 'pat' tour-by-numbers, airport, tiananmen square.... and actually it seems SO familiar and then coincidentally youtube had a recommendation in the sidebar that was, wait for it, a BBC piece from about 8 years ago and if you ran the 'SHOCKED COUPLE' video beside the old BBC Video?
It was damn ear frame-by-frame exactly the same locations.
Just exactly like the couple took that 2016 video and literally 'Reenacted' it, almost seems to be the exact same angle, same timing, same order!
So to review the insane irony: Couple is shocked by what the Western Media LIED to them about in their video in which they are ON WESTERN MEDIA (youtube) and then watched a Western Media video about China and then copied it almost exactly location by location.
And if they were doing this on purpose to be 'meta' I would love it but I'm convinced they weren't being smart but just did that thinking what?
Indeed, they had rows and rows of, how to say this, '5 cent' comments. "The WEstern MEdia WoN"t SHOW thiS!!".
A comment posted on Western media.
That is blocked inside China.
Ironies piled on Ironies.
They're SHOCKED and China apparently is NOT what they expected! LOL Cringiest crap of all time.
Most ironic: by blocking TH-cam, China is the one "not showing" their video, not the West.
Thanks! This kind of video was long overdue!
I could write a lot now, but I'll limit myself to the bare essentials.
I lived in China from 2008 to 2012 and from 2017 to 2023. When I came to China for the second time in 2017, I was shocked (sic!) at how much the media coverage and public discourse had changed. I was disgusted by this hostility and inappropriate way of praising oneself to the skies and blaming everything that wasn't going perfectly in one's own country on foreign countries and foreigners living in the country.
However, as my VPN only worked intermittently and I read non-Chinese news in Western media, I only learnt about these CPC-... - videos after I had returned back to my home country.
Since then, my image of China has been destroyed for good. It is still an interesting country with great people, sights, landscapes and food, but XJP has ruined the image of this country in a completely unnecessary way. Yes, this flood of CPC videos are directly related to this president. And a few other things that I'd rather not write here.
Thanks for sharing your experiences and insights! Yes, the times sure have changed (unfortunately).
Totally agree. I also used to live in China. The propaganda there is truly disgusting. They swear to high heaven that everything good in the world is from China and all trouble in the world is from the US.
Post-covid they've quietly toned down the Wolf Warrior diplomacy. But their constant self-aggrandizement is as rampant as ever.
You have a choice of staying away. Is it? Why stay?
@@yuguo-md3hy I guess you missed the part in the video where I stated that I enjoy my time here and love traveling around. Seems you missed the entire point of the video actually...
@@chopsticksandtrains wish you good luck. Hope you have an exit strategy. Fortunately my wife speeks fluent German , has been living abroad before and also got "annoyed" by what was going on in C, so it wasn`t that difficult to leave. Moreover, we have two kids who were of school age.
Here some thing before i start, i can actually by starting off this by talking about vlogging in China in general but if i did, its going to be long and not something wanted to read after a long day plus going to make the reader getting bored from it plus looking dry (certainly Mr. chopsticks does not want reading a very very long comment and getting bored from it).
Also I enjoyed the sound when you make that related to money, its super interesting and nice and i liked it very much on that part.
Some of the recent trends that is being seen is me thinking that it is starting to feel like the vlogging or youtubing (if that's a actual word, but yeah got my meaning i suppose) of travel to different countries getting steam after the pandemic. It's a thing that have started since internet begin with more usage by people, and so people liking to travel to different countries got a new way to show what they have seen. China is becoming a new place for the travel people, like although it has been not a new trend which i mean before the pandemic , started to booming (or if there's another word for it which i don't have unfornatly) after the 144 hour visa is being released. I do find it somewhat surpising with both their reactions, and what they first see after they came to China. I do observe from most of these travel youtubers, that they had little to zero knowledge about China and getting realy shocked by it for reasons i do not know. Its also pretty obvious, that most of these travel youtubers does not know the lanauge nor can they be able to say a word in Chinese. Despite so, its just something that they actually just thinks or finds it to be different or not is expected based on their first hand experience or what they had seen. Funny that travel youtubers goes to so many countries, only to get a certain reaction when heading to one country.
I gotta say, it is very okay for these first time coming vistors and these travel online creators when they are in China. Being first time visting a country can be a interesting, and an experience that can't be forgotton. And its nice to have them here in China to.
I wish these travel youtubers a awesome and amazing time when they are in China and welcome to all travel youtubers to come and visit China.
My only concern, is having all these foreign travel online people going to be coming to China also bringing in these certain online creators who go there and make trouble or in a not so nice way, nuisance to society (i guess Mr. Chopsticks get who i am referring to).
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Mr.Chopsticks!
Bit strange. You mention that if you post positive stuff you will get tons of clicks from Chinese, but a minute before you said that average Chinese do not have access to TH-cam.
I see 3 types. Travelers, People that live in China and people that found out that any negative video about china gets tons more hits from outside of china.
Been here 17 years now. Lived in the USA for 20 plus before and am originally from Germany. Would I recommend others to live in China. Yes, if you are open to change and willing to learn the language. If you set in your ways and dont want to learn Chinese, then its not a place for you.
I personally dont really post for two reasons. I have a good job managing the Research and Development department of a German company in China. Second, my private time is to little as it is, so I do not want to spend it making and editing videos.
Clicks from Wumao outside the firewall
China schickt seinen Abschaum über die digitale Firewall in Richtung westliche, soziale Netzwerke.
Thanks. I like your content...do you think that these generic "I visited Ch and was shocked , impressed etc at how much better it is than the West" are self initiated with the knowledge that such videos do well?....or are they invited by State tourism department(s) with conditions attached?. They seem so generic and so many that some kind of guiding hand appears to be likely...
I think it's a bit of both.
haha Eric G was butt hurt too about the hype travel vloggs. Maybe youve seen his small channel about that Nio EV, but anyway he did some parody vids about this, but most chinese dont get sarcasm and he got blasted a little too. but ya, i was watching these vlogs because i missed shanghai, but i was thinking the same thing, and i just had to stop. always the same shit. thats why i appreciate you bro. honestly, keeping those old school serpentza and laowhy vibes going... cuz those guys are a whole diff thing now and after WE all ultimately get out of china there is a bitterness that they feed into, but after a while you just stop caring about whats happening in china and just feel sad about it after seeing news and talking to peops you still know there. the rest of the world doesnt care anymore now that the decline is deep. im surprised the vlogs get so many views but we know how they get pumped. keep on it bro. thaks for the content.
Yeah, Eric wasn't quite a shill - I could sense he maybe came close. Good on him for choosing integrity over shillhood, I even directly gave him props for that. The NIO shilling was a bit much for me though, TBH. But he's off to Thailand now. His China days are done.
I appreciate the support my friend! Thanks for sticking with the channel!
@@chopsticksandtrains I didnt catch that he was going to Thai... ya it all ends eventually. My buddy and i had a saying "either you get out early, or you get out too late," and I would add that usually "It's not on your own terms." The common question became "when are you leaving." I still think there will be a group of people that extend it out there no matter what unless they completely shut down english or there is a war, which i hope not because i still want taiwan to be a major part of my life. TW really is the china i wish it all could be.
Any recommendations for other legit channels similar to this one?
Sabbatical
Prime in China
Jingwu Show
(Little Chinese Everywhere)
not a lot...
@VerkaterterStiefel Sabbatical is great but no longer in China. Gonna check out the other two, cheers!
@@VerkaterterStiefel China Uncle Mikey is really great too and walks that line. It's pretty clear off camera he'd probably have more to say.
Even if one doesn't want to tune in to post-China Serpenza/C-Milk, all the OG China VLOG stuff from - back in the day - is still available at ADVChina, and is nice for seeing what cn vlogging used to be, and could be like.
@@ferrariguy8278 thanks for the recommendations, I will check it out. Yeah, Serpentza became way too negative, bitter and one sided after he has left China. But fortunately there is still a lot to discover from his old stuff.
@@VerkaterterStiefelthat China is dead.
Be careful what you wish for .. Because it may come true ...
What about the TH-camr “Little Chinese Everywhere”?
An execellent channel from a local
What I said in the video applies to her as well. That said, I have nothing against her personally.
@ Thanks for the reply. Her videos seem very well made, and they look like they are made by herself, alone, personally. They are all positive, but not completely complimentary, as if she gives everything critical thought. Still, they nag at me - how can she get the right to upload onto TH-cam? Is what I'm seeing modified to fit a censor, or a propaganda goal? She did vlogs from other countries and had spent time in a university in Europe, I believe. Still, I think your vlogs are the most interesting of China of those I've seen for a long time. Thanks.
@@Kirk_G. Yeah, from what I gather her vids are high quality and very well made. But the fact that there's no getting around is that TH-cam is blocked for Chinese citizens and doing so on their own is simply illegal. That's just the unavoidable fact of the matter. And I really appreciate the support, Kirk! Glad to have you here!
@@chopsticksandtrainsyou are wrong, nobody gets in trouble for using TH-cam in China, firewall is a protection from mainly American propaganda, you know, the billion dollar budget the government has to push anti China rhetoric. Lots of people use VPN and it’s not a problem
Are these China vloggers telling us the truth? Just lies do you think? I have travelled China and watched many China travel vlogs, good and bad like most content creation. I don’t recall any of them lying about what they are seeing and experiencing. Maybe cherry picking the positive and turning a blind eye to some of the not so great parts of China. My travel in China was amazing and I saw it all, good, bad and ugly. Not anything even close to what I expected. Go look for yourself, super cheap adventure.
I went to China 20 years ago. It’s obvious to me you have a certain amount of “freedom” but just don’t do anything to embarrass the government. There are tons of dirt poor people in China, but that’s not what the government will allow to be shown. All the videos on TH-cam showing ghetto American areas and homeless, those type of videos would not be allowed in China to even be filmed. It’s not that China doesn’t have those places. It’s the government is censoring those things.
@@gj123456789999920 years ago is a long time. Have you considered going back for a visit and report back to us?
You're looking at the tree. Step back and see the forest. The truth is right in front of you, John.
Glad you had a good adventure in China though. I often do as well.
You sound like a bot when you tell a guy who lives in China to "go and see for yourself," as if he doesn't see for himself every second of every day. Also doesn't help that "go there and see for yourself" is a very, very common parting shot from Chinese bots.
I know you won't respond. I'm just giving a heads up to any bystanders that happen to be reading this comment.
I haven’t been to China before I like to go visit Nanking Massacre Museum pay respect to Chinese citizens lost their lives during war, Desert place between China and Mongolian, and very cool mountains mix with grass field. Also get know each other well like talk about enjoy life.
go for it! China has a lot of cool places to travel!
I was in Bejing and Guangzoh 3 days ago. I got TH-cam and posted on FB while in the Forbidden city and The Great Wall. I was so impressed and blown away in China. I’m from Seattle and got a ten year visa
How many other countries have you been to? If you’ve been to any smart cities in the RoK or Japan, were you equally blown away? If not why not?
Any thought to going to Taiwan?
Given what I know of people who are “blown away” by the PRC I am curious to know your perspectives.
It was 10 years ago when I was last in China, but I couldn't get access to TH-cam. I don't have a Facebook account, so can't comment on that. I couldn't access Yahoo(other than Yahoo Mail), Google or various media sources like the New York Times or my local San Francisco Bay Area newspapers.
Glad you had a good trip. Guangzhou is fun but Beijing is LAME these days. They killed off the international tourist scene there. I have a video about it. Perhaps you could make a video talking about how 'SHOCKED you were', or maybe how China was NOT what you expected! LOL
@ ya your video was interesting. I was wondering how these young couple gweilo TH-camrs get 39k views with in hours? Now i know. I’m a former wire photographer so been to China back in 1999. My wife speaks fluent Mandarin so it was easy to get around. The only thing I felt dangerous was these EV bikes the delivery guys going so fast and can’t hear them coming. If you have a email I can send you images or video. My name is John
@@jaydee6268 I’m a professional photographer and photo journalist working with the wires. I’ve been to at least 80 plus countries and reside in Malaysia. Therefore I’m more than qualified to speak on these thoughts of China been the many times. And yes Japan tons of times I was born in Japan haha 😆
Glad you covered this topic. I have seen vloggers in China going from, "this is my take and vid style" to the pro CCP propaganda that oversaturates China vids on YT now, simply for the clicks. I do wonder if they ever consider how those vids will look, over the long term, especially if tensions between China, and the rest of the world continue to rise?
On the flipside, I have unsubscribed from channels that focus solely on the negatives, and/or heavily criticize China as it just feeds into a loop. Regardless, of whether they report accurate facts.
Neither types of vids give you a fair picture of China. I was pretty fortunate to have lived in China, and experience a lot of what it had to offer during my time there. Despite a lot of the issues, I genuinely hope things will change for the better one day.
Thanks, and you make some great points. I hope that I'm a place of refuge for you, in terms of China content! I try to be fair and balanced. Of course, the sensitive political topics are a no go for me here (for obvious reasons).
The china show is a good channel
If you're into the fiction genre then maybe it is. If you are into non-fiction then no steer clear of that channel.
God bless America.
Amen
Gotta prove your god before you ask it to bless a plot of dirt 🤗🍿
There's no fucking god mate!
😂 you're going to need him to!
You an american bot for this guy to speak shit about china? 😄
I watch this young lady travelling around China and elsewhere. "little Chinese Everywhere" I think it is . I really like her vids and sometimes wonder if it is a little bit of propaganda . I do not think so ????
what I said in this video applies to her as well. nothing against her personally, but that’s just the fact
@@chopsticksandtrains Thanks
most people who want to bypass firewalls or geoblocking actually should be using residential proxies and no vpns, as you can fingerprint a vpn when monitoring internet traffic, where a resproxy as actual real allocated ip block addresses for residential customers, so companies cannot actually block them.. as with tor is another way around firewall/geolocking and also works but tor since its encrypted with many hops will slow down the traffic.
China hate videos seem to be very lucrative. I should probably start a faceless TH-cam like this one.
Westerners hate that China doesn't kowtow to them lol
@@nightowl7261 See? That's exactly what annoys us about you. You don`t wnat to think or even reflect, but you prefer to draw some convenient, preconceived conclusions stereotyping millions of people ("Westerners").
Nobody expects you to kowtow, where do these inferiority complexes come from? A little friendliness, openness and a realxed attitude could work wonders. It works with other nations too.
China hate? No 'China hate' here bud. I do hate unscrupulous, soulless shills though. Let me rephrase that, I do not hate THEM, but I hate what they are doing. It's never too late to become a better person.
@@nightowl7261You know nothing.
@@Jaredbuncher yes there are plenty of anti China channels. Chopsticks isn’t one of them.
And you can tell it’s very lucrative, judging by the huge volume of viewers. People love to hear that their hated neighbor is losing their house, getting a divorce, getting their car repossessed, etc. I used to have my coworkers run to me laughing in joy whenever Fox News said Chinese stocks were dropping, or anything bad was happening with China. These guys had no money. But they LOVED to hear that China might be imploding. It makes them feel better about themselves. 😉
You can make the same topic to educate the world: TikTok is dead in the US.
but he doesn't because he lives in China. Basic logic course for beginners. btw Tiktok isn`t dead in America.
Surprised to see Monkey Steals Peach in your comment section. He makes good martial arts content.
Hey Ed! Nah, those comments weren't from my vid. They were from another guy who had a bad experience in China and his comment section got overtaken by wumao. Nothing against Monkey Steals Peach, he seems totally fine to me. I wish I'd noticed that part, I would have left his comment out - feel bad that his comment is wedged there between wumao comments.
Very good video! (Couldn't say it better.
(Many western youtubers did travel videos in China these days. Yes superficial and not honest or not knowledgeable. Chinese government wants to boost tourism industry I guess? Most went to Chongqing)).
"Criticisms"/ sharing your opinions/ speak your mind= shapes mental and then culture and society...
Anyway nowadays I believe more in non verbal communication: because 3d brings you into duality: my opinion Vs your opinion.
Beyond the 3d reality. Magnetism and hypnosis. Some call it telepsychism. Elite use these to control reality of mankind. I went beyond 3d which allows me to receive memories of objects, remote viewing, read in minds (there is a field of consciousness attached to anyone and a global field), exorcist "entities" (gathering of energies? living from believes? all is information). I will share on my channel all this. Very real. I experienced a lot already. Pity I didn't have these abilities back in China because now I can perceive memories... when I am in specific locations.
XXX
Interesting! Hope you make a vid on that! I know for a fact that remote viewing is real. I've listened to a couple of podcasts featuring people who did it for a living for the US gov. (Shawn Ryan Podcast)
@@chopsticksandtrains Yes you know it is not a gift but for some people it is easier to do. You can get awakening from your life. I think the whole Chine youtube pushed me there somehow (kind of getting angry/ frustrations/ cold showers/ I already got it as a teenager skin peeling from hands...). All human beings are batteries with electric and magnetic energies. All is information but unseen. We are antennas. We can connect to different energies.
Remote viewing I do sometimes to locate missing people (you can see from within and from above, and you can come back in time to see what happened, but sometimes it is very emotionnal, you know the target is dead and how she died and you can feel, also you know when the target doesn't want to be found and sometimes you have the relatives who ask for help but how can you tell them and you are nothing but they perceive you as savior. I gave it a break these days. Also locating precisely on a map is tough, you can know the surroundings but most of the time it is not enough to find the target). Anyway I will do videos to share. I met Jean Pierre Girard who was member of the US gov programm Stargate and russian. He told me how they "could" kill people with heart attacks and the negative karma that came from doing this. showed how he bends metal bars. I tell you some people are incredible. I have a friend who can see through walls and move big objects like chairs, levitate on her hand.
There is really a two path evolution for mankind: AI Vs this awakening from within!
hardly news
我可以在中國拍攝影片因為我爸是李剛
@@chopsticksandtrains en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Gang_incident
*sigh* Thanks for bucking the algorithm. I do wonder what will eventually win in the end. The opium of Nationalism with Chinse Characteristics, or reality and advancement via acknowledgement of flaws (along with celebration of triumphs).
Ken Abroad does this from time to time. There's also a huge amount of China bashing channels.
Ken Abroad sold out as well, unfortunately.
@@chopsticksandtrainstelling the truth is not selling out
@@garyk-j7p Nah, he knows what he did. Shame on him.
You can say bad things and people can disagree.
I see people say smoke problems or violently spitting problems in China and get positive response from Chinese viewers.
Did it ever occur to you maybe you are the problem? Too many opinions not much facts?
Your comment SHOCKED me and was NOT what I expected!
Because smoking and spitting negatively impacts fellow Chinese. That's also why they'll admit problems like caili (dowry), youth unemployment, housing crisis, etc. But they will never ever EVER admit that they cause problems to other people. The thought of China/Chinese being the bully, rather than the innocent victim/selfless saviour, is literally unthinkable to the vast majority of Chinese citizens.
Source: think of any international dispute between China and another country. In all my life I have never seen a Chinese person take the foreign country's side. Ever.
@@TheGuzeinbuick You surely don't know much about Chinese social media. There are lots of KOLs always take the US side. And they even give names for them.
@@aliciap6329 Alright then, let me hear your personal opinion. Pick an internaitonal dispute that involves China. In which cases was China in the wrong? I eagerly await your response.
@@TheGuzeinbuick What do i need to prove? Did i ask you to prove anything? Suit yourself.
Hey my China train video was honest! Hahah 🎉😊
Haha - hey man, you heard me say that there are a few vloggers I DO LIKE! It's easy to see who is a shill or sycophant and who's sincere. You are a good human being and I got nothing but love for ya brother.
@@chopsticksandtrains oh i'm just Joshin' ya! Appreciate your affirmation. I agree with you, its SO TIRING seeing shills echo the same themes over and over again. I like what you said - decent and logical to respect the country that you are a guest in, but.... objective vlogging is more and more rare.
So is this tooo... proh Propaganda? 😂😂😂
中国在看看你😑
He has little to worry about and neither do I. If you watch our channels, which are relatively small, you'll get to see some REAL praises of China, sometimes little admirable things, some are 'neutral' and he will point out some negatives, something that's not enjoyable. Sometimes people who actually care about China do complain and want these things made better.
This might surprise people but China's government media watchers (and they do watch these channels) don't actually care that much about any kinds of opinions of really any kind of daily life things.
In fact, we can do a LOT of griping and "i hate this and that!".
Where there is trouble is vloggers who talk about usurping, disobeying or undermining the CCP government.
Oh and really really watch out about 'Japan' comments.
or the guy from Saskatchewan who was bragging about breaking the covid lockdown laws and had a little visit to the police station for a chat.
but, although it might surprise people, we can talk a lot of shlt, gripe, complain, go on about '10 things i hate about living in China' and they won't care. It can also depend on how you do it. How you say things.
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Funny you don't mention the anti-China propaganda that is the most lucrative on TH-cam. Strange eh?
Sorry, but it's a Western medium that is blocked in China anyway. We can upload videos here as we like and comment on them. If you don't like that, you can let off steam on the streamlined Chinese media.
Hey, iamsheep! You are sheep? I'd say your SN suits you! 🐑🐑 The herd awaits you!
@@chopsticksandtrains lol the profile name ad hom. Aren’t you thin skinned.
@@VerkaterterStiefel lol so you’re saying propaganda is fine on TH-cam if its “Western”. lol
@@chopsticksandtrainsdeleting me responses eh? 😂😂😂😂
You don't give examples of what you think is good, and you don't define propaganda........so we can have any take we like on it.
Yes you can have any take on it you like, but most people see it clearly. If you don't, that's fine. Maybe read some of the newspaper articles written about it.
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