@@Screaming-Trees This is the only gripe and on KVR and Gearslutz all anybody talks about too. I can't recall a specific feature ever being as demanded as ducking in VDelay. Ducking would be amazing in the reverbs too tbh. He does have a compounder coded into the drive knob too so theres no reason not to add it
They're quite different. Even at similar (as it intended) modelings like bbd and so. Echoboy is on the oldschool side with more textured analog style. Valhalla have its own typical for every of their plugin kind a lush clear sounding inning.
Definitely. Valhalla has a lush, full sound. Which you might not want, as it could overtake the source if pushed too much. But as I say in the video, they're both different but good and entirely useable.
Right now I am using Replika. I consider trying Valhalla delay. I like their fair price and copy protection policy (drm free). I am using Valhalla room as my only reverb it's so nice. Valhalla definitely makes quality products. Echoboy is 4x the price and has i Lok
You can get EchoBoy or the SoundToys 5 bundle on sale for a much better price (I think I got the entire bundle for $200) , but I really do like Valhalla's fair price/no sales policy.
@@GreenLightSound yep, and soundtoys often gives away new plug-ins if you're on their mailing list. they're a really great company. and so is valhalla! these are honestly my two favorite devs for plugins, along with klanghelm :)
Nice overview & comparison of two awesome plugins. May be worth mentioning that Soundtoys has other delay plugins (Primal Tap & Crystallizer) that can do the things you mention to be missing in EchoBoy (e.g., pitching).
I already knew u are actually a genius after 14:29 because you are the only 1 I saw on youtube who understood how those different models are actually made ,ie using different decay times for each frequency band (3 in case of echoboy) Im pretty sure valhalla used the same method to design the tape models and stuff but its all under the hood whereas echoboy its all over the hood with their style edit menu which the just makes echoboy insanely more versatile and you can get almost any delay sound out of it Though valhalla just blew it with the pitch modulated delays they sound so great and crazy!!! One funny thing about echoboy is that echoboy jr. which is the stripped down version of echoboy is much much more user friendly than echoboy , soundtoys gotto do somethin about it😂😅 Subbed!
Its funny…my eyes wander for a second, I hear something and think “this sounds kind of like one of my delays”, then look back at echo boy being tweaked. You get so used to the character of certain processors that you use all the time. They definitely each have their own charm. I gotta update my Valhalla folder, man…all I have is Vintage Verb at the moment and it’s so top shelf, I trust essentially anything they release to sound great. Delay and Shimmer…those are the ones I really gotta pick up soon. I don’t have a dedicated shimmer…I find myself building them on an aux with reverbs, pitch shifters, etc. whenever I “need” one.
What advantage would the Soundtoys have over the stock Studio One Analog and Beat delay plugins? I can tag on a saturator like the Red Light Distortion at the end of the chain as well. If it's any help I mainly use the delays for lead guitar + vocals. Nothing too 'out there'. Just helping it sit nicely in a mix
The main advantages are control of the echoes in terms of tone/timing, modeling of specific classic delay units, and overall flexibility. If you're only looking for standard delays, the stock Studio One plugins are just fine.
Snagged Echoboy while it was on sale for $30 and love it, though Valhalla has its own thing going on. For this price there's really no reason to not have both.
Another big plus for Valhalla (which sounds like real analog machines): It´s absolutely DRM-free. You actually OWN the software and can use it to your pleasure while those guys at Soundtoys gotten ill by paranoia and so they terrorize you with iLok. It´s a 100% no go.
@Jade Thronson I got an iLok dongle and of course an iLok account. It's additional hard- and software to be assessed and maintained. It's an unnecessary procedure to go through additionally. I don't support such systems any more.
you can authorize soundtoys plugins to your computer, with no ilok dongle (though you do have to use the ilok software). you can even authorize it on two computers, so i wouldn't really call soundtoys "paranoid." they're among the better devs out there (as is valhalla)
You guys need to remember that Valhalla's been featured on many huge modern records, take "Rockabye" by Clean Bandit for example, 2.2 billion views on youtube, the song also has been featured in a "In the studio..." video where Clean Bandit shows at some point how they used valhalla plugs for their reverberation needs. If they made it in the industry relying on 50$ reverbs, then anyone else is capable of doing so, it just ultimately proves that Valhalla stuff is great despite the low price and also that the user is far more important than the tools themselves. If you can't make a record using Valhalla stuff then it's definitely not the plugins fault. 2c
@ListenAndLearned Yeah, but we're talking about delay/reverb plugs here. You know that outboard "delays" (e.g. Eventide) are still DSP chips based units that also run an algo just like a native plugin does? Mixing as a whole is a different story and in the case of EDM/Pop music the artist tells the mixing engineer that they'd like to keep their delays/reverb effects if it already matches the song perfectly. The engineer would only ask to send him the bounced Send Tracks too in order to improve that existing effect tonally instead of the timing and the "design" of it. It's all a matter of decisions and choices in the end. Luca Petrolesi for example he's a mixing engineer who also incorporates valhalla plugs into his process and there's no other guy after him mixing wise rather than the Mastering engineer that does nothing about delays/reverbs anyway.
@ListenAndLearned What i was trying to say when it comes to delays whether or not digital, is that they're less relevant to compare to their analog counterparts compared to the main EQs, Comps, etc. You could mix with virtual delays/reverbs/FX (like Schepps, Luca Petrolesi, etc. does) but still adding that analog touch with an outboard compressor/EQ on top of that. Yes, those analog primary mixing tools are still better than what you get in the box due to their organic non linear processing that's heavily influenced by the electrical components which by the way, never sound the same when you compare 2 of the same hardware model, their action is mostly identical but the way each unit reacts to the input it's just different. I personally have 2 distressors in my studio, one of my buds also have one. We even done a comparison once just for fun, rendering the same mixdown through our distressors, using the same knob positions, etc. and when we tried to cancel them out by inversing the phase it just didn't happen. Also paradoxically, it's the digital that emulates the analog, not the other way around so the "bias" will always be higher towards the analog because that's the reference, whilst the virtual tools are always the "underdogs". Nonetheless, the difference between analog and digital never stopped hits in the making and never will, that's what the radio charts and multi-millionaire artists have to say. Frankly, the composition in itself will always be the sonic story that the audience receives. If that sucks, no tool can fix it whether digital nor analog.
@ListenAndLearned On board DSPs for FET based solutions will always crush plugins running through your CPU or on-system co-processor. The grade of DSP is much higher on dedicated hardware. Both fall way short relative to tube based analog equivalents.
@@johnewald3148 lol, if that's rubbish then blame "no-one"s like Clean Bandit for using Valhalla stuff. They're some of the biggest artists to date globally and they rely a lot on Valhalla plugins, check their "in the studio" videos, you'll see for yourself.
@@johnewald3148 That's your opinion. What's obvious is that both are great delay plugins. However, like the OP, I prefer ValhallaDelay (just my opinion, not fact).
@@Music-tg5is yeah, i don't really get this idea that one has to suck for the other to be good. both of these are awesome tools with some overlap and some different uses. i've used echoboy on probably every single mix i've done for the last six years. and i'd consider picking up valhalla too, because it sounds great (and valhalla vintage verb has *also* been on almost every mix i've done for years)
Hey! In Valhalla Delay, you can separately set the Rhythm for the Left and Right channels? + Center channel? In the case of Browinworks, this can be done. There is also Ducking, Saturator, and other things. Please let me know.
Studio One from Presonus. I've also used Pro Tools, Logic, Ableton, and Reaper and I ended up being most comfortable with Studio One. Highly recommended.
@@GreenLightSound i was going to ask that too. the interface looks great. i'm a 15 year PT veteran (and 12 years on ableton) and not looking to switch, but studio one does seem really nice.
The price is vastly different yes but also the Valhalla has built-in oversampling (for some reason Soundtoys still haven't included internal oversampling as a basic feature. It's 2019!). This may give you some audible aliasing if you're recording at 44.1k.
Not exactly sure what you mean, but they can both go down to 64th note division of the beat, along with dotted and triplet options. If you needed something else, you could always use milliseconds to figure it out.
Unfortunate that a very distracting vocal was used for the demo: would be nice just to hear a simple acoustic guitar or piano as the source. Thanks for your taking the time.
I would argue that acoustic guitar or piano wouldn't make much sense as source material for a delay as wild as this one can be. It's much more likely to be used on vocals.
Cool comparison. Do you know Meldas MXXX? I mean principally spoken every effect plugin looks outdated compared to that. I think Soundtoy is simply overpriced. Valhalla delay is awesome for that value but limited concerning modulation. In MXXX you can build and modulate everything you can think of and modulate each and every parameter. Always great for working life or experimentation on the fly and if you want to avoid having 20 automation lines in your DAW. It's literally endless and very very good sounding. So in comparison Echoboy is totally beyond pricy for its limitations and the price of Valhalla delay is very fair and equals the quality and possibilities you are given.
Good info. I have lots of Melda plugins and know about their extensive modulation options, but I haven't tried MXXX yet. The key with SoundToys is to get them on sale. You can get the bundle for a decent price a few times a year.
@@GreenLightSound Cool you use those too. Yes sales are great and nearly all have them, so are Melda and many others :) But it also leaves a bad taste in your mouth especially if you bought on full price and a few month later it's only a fracture of the original price. The price policy of Valhalla is fixed for years now, what I think is a cool thing and it always equals the package. Would be nice if all would have such a policy. Cheers.
thank god we got LFO's as devices in ableton so experimenting with modulated parameters in valhalla delay sounds like some shit i definetly have to check out
@@GreenLightSound EchoBoy looks like a very powerful delay. It would be nice to get it at a sale price. Thanks for all the info on these two flexible delay plugins!
you didn't used the saturation at ECHOBOY at all. Because Valhalla is already more saturated (sound fuller then). That will change everything. Bad comparsion from my point of view.
Check again. Some of the style presets used subtle amounts of saturation, and there was definitely saturation going on in the tweak menu. My goal here was to compare the overall sound of each, not to try to match them exactly.
"So much better"? Then how do you explain those huge artists like Clean Bandit (google it in case they failed to reach your popular national radio channels, although i doubt they haven't) who rely on Valhalla plugs in most of their songs? The band has 2.2 billion views just on their Rockabye record alone, which has been featured in a "Clean Bandit in the studio" video here on YT where they clearly show how they used Valhalla plugs in that song. If they can make it in the music industry with over 5 billion views on YT in total and topping charts worldwide for years, consistently relying on Valhalla for reverberation and other stuff in their songs, then i bet everyone else is capable to rely on these plugs as well. I'm not saying Echoboy is bad, but being "so much better" than another plug that's already been proven in the industry it's quite a stretch. Especially when Valhalla's cost only 50$ and is still capable to be part in huge records.
costinvaly1 Uh, i’m a fan of Valhalla DSP but really? I’m sure there’s probably as many or more ‘hits’ made with Sound Toys. Also i don’t think popularity is a necessarily good indicator of quality. I’d be happy owning both...
@@crysstoll1191 i wasn't justifying the quality with my statement, i justified the fact that even by spending 50$ (for a Valhalla plug) you can still get pro level stuff done while aspiring to become part of the music industry. My artists examples are testaments that you can get away with paying 50$ for a plugin instead of 150$ (soundtoys typical for EchoBoy). Do you realize that in the long run you've lost 100$ difference for a god damn virtual piece of product, when the 100$ cheaper one gets the job done (and more) for just 50$. Imagine all that steak you could eat with 100$ budget. Doesn't matter how rich you are btw. In fact, the rich care even for a 5$ profit if possible. They don't forgive anything, that's what keeps them rich.
This is surreal... I googled "Valhalla Delay vs EchoBoy" at 10:28 today, posted 2 minutes ago! Thank you so much! :)
You're welcome! Glad the timing worked out for you.
That is like 120 seconds *delay* 😅
Gotta admire that low latency Google Search algorithm
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the simulation is working
I love both of these delays. So much versatility!
They are both great.
One thing both of these delay plugin's should have in 2019, built-in ducking of the wet signal.
I agree. McDSP's EC-300 has built in ducking and compression which is very useful.
Send an email to Sean at Valhalla. I bet he'd integrate that as a feature if asked.
@@Screaming-Trees
This is the only gripe and on KVR and Gearslutz all anybody talks about too. I can't recall a specific feature ever being as demanded as ducking in VDelay. Ducking would be amazing in the reverbs too tbh.
He does have a compounder coded into the drive knob too so theres no reason not to add it
Check out Duck Delay, that one looks promising
Valhalla has that in the latest version
They're quite different. Even at similar (as it intended) modelings like bbd and so. Echoboy is on the oldschool side with more textured analog style. Valhalla have its own typical for every of their plugin kind a lush clear sounding inning.
Definitely. Valhalla has a lush, full sound. Which you might not want, as it could overtake the source if pushed too much. But as I say in the video, they're both different but good and entirely useable.
Yes, both awesome delays for sure
Yep, both are different and great to me...
Right now I am using Replika. I consider trying Valhalla delay. I like their fair price and copy protection policy (drm free).
I am using Valhalla room as my only reverb it's so nice. Valhalla definitely makes quality products.
Echoboy is 4x the price and has i Lok
Replika is great too!
Video started at 5:45, people…
Personally I think Echoboy's interface is a big turnoff: dark, tiny and not very user friendly. Valhalla looks a lot better in that regard.
Agreed. Valhalla excels at design.
Agreed. Echoboy is in dire need of a UI scaling option at least. On a high res monitor it's a headache to use.
i agree
Totally disagree.
One of the aspects that I like about Soundtoys is its solid interface. It gives me the confidence of a pedal or rack (hardware).
@@guillerob99 Nice. Maybe you have better eyes than I have. I prefer a bit larger interfaces these days.
VahallaDelay is now the quintessential delay in my opinion. And it has an unmistakable character about it too which is cool.
Echoboy is on sale for $49
I just got mine. Im so happy😁
soundtoys to me sounds more natural even it's less present !
Thanks for the great comparisons.
Wow Valhalla I am so impressed ....even soundtoys are great too !
They're definitely different but both are great delays.
valhalla sounds more dreamy, echoboy sounds more clean
To me they are very different beast but I use both. One isn't better because they sound, look and do different types of things..
Really useful video. Thanks for posting this!
Thanks for watching!
Valhalla is my go to! I don't feel like I have to wait for a sale to buy their plugins
The main difference is PRICE!!! P R I C E ! ! ! ! ! Wow...! $50 VS $200 Such a difference IMO! ($50 = Valhalla)
You can get EchoBoy or the SoundToys 5 bundle on sale for a much better price (I think I got the entire bundle for $200) , but I really do like Valhalla's fair price/no sales policy.
I bought the EchoBoy today for 49 bucks HAHA
@@GreenLightSound yep, and soundtoys often gives away new plug-ins if you're on their mailing list. they're a really great company. and so is valhalla! these are honestly my two favorite devs for plugins, along with klanghelm :)
@@PeterJaquesMusic Klanghelm is great. MJUC is a fantastic compressor for the price.
@@PeterJaquesMusic Same, Peter. 👍
Nice overview & comparison of two awesome plugins. May be worth mentioning that Soundtoys has other delay plugins (Primal Tap & Crystallizer) that can do the things you mention to be missing in EchoBoy (e.g., pitching).
Good point. Crystallizer is especially unique.
I already knew u are actually a genius after 14:29 because you are the only 1 I saw on youtube who understood how those different models are actually made ,ie using different decay times for each frequency band (3 in case of echoboy) Im pretty sure valhalla used the same method to design the tape models and stuff but its all under the hood whereas echoboy its all over the hood with their style edit menu which the just makes echoboy insanely more versatile and you can get almost any delay sound out of it
Though valhalla just blew it with the pitch modulated delays they sound so great and crazy!!!
One funny thing about echoboy is that echoboy jr. which is the stripped down version of echoboy is much much more user friendly than echoboy , soundtoys gotto do somethin about it😂😅
Subbed!
Thanks!
Many thanks for this.
Its funny…my eyes wander for a second, I hear something and think “this sounds kind of like one of my delays”, then look back at echo boy being tweaked. You get so used to the character of certain processors that you use all the time. They definitely each have their own charm. I gotta update my Valhalla folder, man…all I have is Vintage Verb at the moment and it’s so top shelf, I trust essentially anything they release to sound great. Delay and Shimmer…those are the ones I really gotta pick up soon. I don’t have a dedicated shimmer…I find myself building them on an aux with reverbs, pitch shifters, etc. whenever I “need” one.
What advantage would the Soundtoys have over the stock Studio One Analog and Beat delay plugins? I can tag on a saturator like the Red Light Distortion at the end of the chain as well. If it's any help I mainly use the delays for lead guitar + vocals. Nothing too 'out there'. Just helping it sit nicely in a mix
The main advantages are control of the echoes in terms of tone/timing, modeling of specific classic delay units, and overall flexibility. If you're only looking for standard delays, the stock Studio One plugins are just fine.
@@GreenLightSound Thanks! I saw the spring sale for the Echoboy and the Decap, and at 49 bucks it almost feels too good not to give it a go!
They are steals at that price. I like Decapitator much more than Red Light.
Snagged Echoboy while it was on sale for $30 and love it, though Valhalla has its own thing going on. For this price there's really no reason to not have both.
$30 for EchoBoy is a great deal. I agree that both are really useful, and Valhalla's pricing policy is fantastic.
When did it go on sale? :O
Plus they are totally different and excel in different ways
Both are great delays. Valhalla has a more userfriendly GUI, because Soundtoys is still sleeping in optimizing their stuff.
Another big plus for Valhalla (which sounds like real analog machines):
It´s absolutely DRM-free. You actually OWN the software and can use it to your pleasure while those guys at Soundtoys gotten ill by paranoia and so they terrorize you with iLok. It´s a 100% no go.
@Jade Thronson
I got an iLok dongle and of course an iLok account. It's additional hard- and software to be assessed and maintained. It's an unnecessary procedure to go through additionally. I don't support such systems any more.
I love being able to take my ilok into other studios, plug in and grab my fav plugins to mix with.
@@NuclearDeathWalk yeah, understandable. But how great it would be to do that without a possibility of something gets lost or broken. Would it?
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you can authorize soundtoys plugins to your computer, with no ilok dongle (though you do have to use the ilok software). you can even authorize it on two computers, so i wouldn't really call soundtoys "paranoid." they're among the better devs out there (as is valhalla)
Green light sound....can I ask what host DAW you have up in this video???....is that Studio One????
Looks beautiful!!!!
It is Studio One.
Thanks for the video.
I like the interface of echo boy " it looks like expensive" unique nd so bad ass😂😂
Great overview. Thx!
You guys need to remember that Valhalla's been featured on many huge modern records, take "Rockabye" by Clean Bandit for example, 2.2 billion views on youtube, the song also has been featured in a "In the studio..." video where Clean Bandit shows at some point how they used valhalla plugs for their reverberation needs. If they made it in the industry relying on 50$ reverbs, then anyone else is capable of doing so, it just ultimately proves that Valhalla stuff is great despite the low price and also that the user is far more important than the tools themselves. If you can't make a record using Valhalla stuff then it's definitely not the plugins fault.
2c
Both Valhalla and EchoBoy are great tools, and both have been used on great sounding recordings.
@ListenAndLearned Yeah, but we're talking about delay/reverb plugs here. You know that outboard "delays" (e.g. Eventide) are still DSP chips based units that also run an algo just like a native plugin does? Mixing as a whole is a different story and in the case of EDM/Pop music the artist tells the mixing engineer that they'd like to keep their delays/reverb effects if it already matches the song perfectly. The engineer would only ask to send him the bounced Send Tracks too in order to improve that existing effect tonally instead of the timing and the "design" of it. It's all a matter of decisions and choices in the end. Luca Petrolesi for example he's a mixing engineer who also incorporates valhalla plugs into his process and there's no other guy after him mixing wise rather than the Mastering engineer that does nothing about delays/reverbs anyway.
@ListenAndLearned What i was trying to say when it comes to delays whether or not digital, is that they're less relevant to compare to their analog counterparts compared to the main EQs, Comps, etc. You could mix with virtual delays/reverbs/FX (like Schepps, Luca Petrolesi, etc. does) but still adding that analog touch with an outboard compressor/EQ on top of that. Yes, those analog primary mixing tools are still better than what you get in the box due to their organic non linear processing that's heavily influenced by the electrical components which by the way, never sound the same when you compare 2 of the same hardware model, their action is mostly identical but the way each unit reacts to the input it's just different. I personally have 2 distressors in my studio, one of my buds also have one. We even done a comparison once just for fun, rendering the same mixdown through our distressors, using the same knob positions, etc. and when we tried to cancel them out by inversing the phase it just didn't happen. Also paradoxically, it's the digital that emulates the analog, not the other way around so the "bias" will always be higher towards the analog because that's the reference, whilst the virtual tools are always the "underdogs". Nonetheless, the difference between analog and digital never stopped hits in the making and never will, that's what the radio charts and multi-millionaire artists have to say. Frankly, the composition in itself will always be the sonic story that the audience receives. If that sucks, no tool can fix it whether digital nor analog.
@ListenAndLearned On board DSPs for FET based solutions will always crush plugins running through your CPU or on-system co-processor. The grade of DSP is much higher on dedicated hardware. Both fall way short relative to tube based analog equivalents.
Valhalla wins for me. Sound is more lush. At least for me.
Valhalla definitely has a fullness to it. If you're looking for a more obvious effect Valhalla seems the better choice.
Thats rubbish, echoboy is the holy grail
@@johnewald3148 lol, if that's rubbish then blame "no-one"s like Clean Bandit for using Valhalla stuff. They're some of the biggest artists to date globally and they rely a lot on Valhalla plugins, check their "in the studio" videos, you'll see for yourself.
@@johnewald3148 That's your opinion. What's obvious is that both are great delay plugins. However, like the OP, I prefer ValhallaDelay (just my opinion, not fact).
@@Music-tg5is yeah, i don't really get this idea that one has to suck for the other to be good. both of these are awesome tools with some overlap and some different uses. i've used echoboy on probably every single mix i've done for the last six years. and i'd consider picking up valhalla too, because it sounds great (and valhalla vintage verb has *also* been on almost every mix i've done for years)
How can the equivalent of 'Digital' in Valhalla be 'Analog' in Echoboy? :P Can that really be right?
It's an analog unit which uses digital delay technology
Hey! In Valhalla Delay, you can separately set the Rhythm for the Left and Right channels? + Center channel? In the case of Browinworks, this can be done. There is also Ducking, Saturator, and other things.
Please let me know.
Echo boy has this too. Might need a side chain compressor on its aux channel to duck.
great video!
Thanks for this! A really helpful insight into the overlap and differences between the two Delays :-)
Thanks for watching!
What daw are you using? Im going to switch from fl studio was wondering What daw you’d recommend?
Studio One from Presonus. I've also used Pro Tools, Logic, Ableton, and Reaper and I ended up being most comfortable with Studio One. Highly recommended.
@@GreenLightSound Okidoki! Thanks a lot :)
@@GreenLightSound i was going to ask that too. the interface looks great. i'm a 15 year PT veteran (and 12 years on ableton) and not looking to switch, but studio one does seem really nice.
Thanks for explaining first, demo-ing second, so you don't end up talking over the music, which a LOT of TH-camrs do.
Yep, nobody likes it when your talking over the demo then you cant hear it well. Well done
good review. Thanks.
Echoboy for leads valhalla for atmos
Good call. Valhalla is great for atmospheric delays.
Yep echo boy is great for slaps, and has amazing chorus emulations.
great comparison!
Thanks for the video! Very helpful!!
Glad to help!
What do you think of Eventide's UltraTap ?
Never tried it, but it looks interesting. I'll have to check it out.
Nice informative Video.cheers
Nice video
Great video!
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echo boy FTW
Valhalla BBD are more compressed than the Echo Boy. All up the the user and liking at the end.
Thanks for this!
awesome dude!
Valhalla in any case!
Ultimately having both in one's arsenal is where it's at. I have both and wouldn't give either one of them up for anything.
The price is vastly different yes but also the Valhalla has built-in oversampling (for some reason Soundtoys still haven't included internal oversampling as a basic feature. It's 2019!). This may give you some audible aliasing if you're recording at 44.1k.
Maybe an update is needed for EchoBoy? It is a fairly old plugin.
I don't hear any aliasing
Close your eyes and buy! They're different
They have note suddivision?
Not exactly sure what you mean, but they can both go down to 64th note division of the beat, along with dotted and triplet options. If you needed something else, you could always use milliseconds to figure it out.
Unfortunate that a very distracting vocal was used for the demo: would be nice just to hear a simple acoustic guitar or piano as the source. Thanks for your taking the time.
I would argue that acoustic guitar or piano wouldn't make much sense as source material for a delay as wild as this one can be. It's much more likely to be used on vocals.
Analog delay from SO😁
I find the timeless 2 the best delay plug-in
Timeless 2 is great. Very tweakable, and the modulation options are nice.
Timeless 2 is nice for sure, but I much prefer both Echoboy and Valhalla Delay.
Sounds like Graham Strachan!
Echoboy got sent to Valhalla
😂😂😂
... on my speakers Valhalla seem to have fuller and wider sound....
Cool comparison. Do you know Meldas MXXX? I mean principally spoken every effect plugin looks outdated compared to that. I think Soundtoy is simply overpriced. Valhalla delay is awesome for that value but limited concerning modulation. In MXXX you can build and modulate everything you can think of and modulate each and every parameter. Always great for working life or experimentation on the fly and if you want to avoid having 20 automation lines in your DAW. It's literally endless and very very good sounding.
So in comparison Echoboy is totally beyond pricy for its limitations and the price of Valhalla delay is very fair and equals the quality and possibilities you are given.
Good info. I have lots of Melda plugins and know about their extensive modulation options, but I haven't tried MXXX yet.
The key with SoundToys is to get them on sale. You can get the bundle for a decent price a few times a year.
@@GreenLightSound Cool you use those too. Yes sales are great and nearly all have them, so are Melda and many others :) But it also leaves a bad taste in your mouth especially if you bought on full price and a few month later it's only a fracture of the original price.
The price policy of Valhalla is fixed for years now, what I think is a cool thing and it always equals the package. Would be nice if all would have such a policy. Cheers.
thank god we got LFO's as devices in ableton so experimenting with modulated parameters in valhalla delay sounds like some shit i definetly have to check out
@@Breakbeat90s
It definitely doesn't sound like shit, it emulates the imperfections and pitch variations over time of those old units.
@@nichttuntun3364 sounds like some shit i have to try out = sounds like something i have to try out
And Valhalla Delay is $50 vs $199 for Echo Boy
Right, though you can get EchoBoy on sale for much less. I do respect Valhalla's reasonable price, no sale policy.
@@GreenLightSound EchoBoy looks like a very powerful delay. It would be nice to get it at a sale price. Thanks for all the info on these two flexible delay plugins!
free electron it's 49 now
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Valhalla delay is a pinch better sounding that echoboy
you didn't used the saturation at ECHOBOY at all. Because Valhalla is already more saturated (sound fuller then). That will change everything. Bad comparsion from my point of view.
Check again. Some of the style presets used subtle amounts of saturation, and there was definitely saturation going on in the tweak menu. My goal here was to compare the overall sound of each, not to try to match them exactly.
Valhalla allows for all modes to have a ducking feature now.
Good point. One of the benefits of Valhalla plugins is that they seem to be continually supported and updated with new features.
EchoBoy
Man could you not have used a piano chord or something rather than make us sit through those cringe vocals?
I dont like valhalla because its sounds unreal on vocals
Echoboy is SO much better....
"So much better"? Then how do you explain those huge artists like Clean Bandit (google it in case they failed to reach your popular national radio channels, although i doubt they haven't) who rely on Valhalla plugs in most of their songs? The band has 2.2 billion views just on their Rockabye record alone, which has been featured in a "Clean Bandit in the studio" video here on YT where they clearly show how they used Valhalla plugs in that song. If they can make it in the music industry with over 5 billion views on YT in total and topping charts worldwide for years, consistently relying on Valhalla for reverberation and other stuff in their songs, then i bet everyone else is capable to rely on these plugs as well. I'm not saying Echoboy is bad, but being "so much better" than another plug that's already been proven in the industry it's quite a stretch. Especially when Valhalla's cost only 50$ and is still capable to be part in huge records.
Nooooot true........
John Ewald Glad you cleared that up for us, particularly your list of reasons why you posted that comment.
costinvaly1 Uh, i’m a fan of Valhalla DSP but really? I’m sure there’s probably as many or more ‘hits’ made with Sound Toys. Also i don’t think popularity is a necessarily good indicator of quality. I’d be happy owning both...
@@crysstoll1191 i wasn't justifying the quality with my statement, i justified the fact that even by spending 50$ (for a Valhalla plug) you can still get pro level stuff done while aspiring to become part of the music industry. My artists examples are testaments that you can get away with paying 50$ for a plugin instead of 150$ (soundtoys typical for EchoBoy). Do you realize that in the long run you've lost 100$ difference for a god damn virtual piece of product, when the 100$ cheaper one gets the job done (and more) for just 50$. Imagine all that steak you could eat with 100$ budget. Doesn't matter how rich you are btw. In fact, the rich care even for a 5$ profit if possible. They don't forgive anything, that's what keeps them rich.
Too much bla bla. Thumb down.
EChoboy needs to have a resizeable GUI
Agreed. A hi-res GUI update would also be welcome.