Kamila Valieva is Sanctioned! But also at "No Fault" for Doping?
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The hypocrisy of eteri when Evgenia went to train in Canada at the cricket club despite still representing Russia... so much hate thrown at her / getting called a traitor etc for her to immediately have her daughter now be representing another country 😒
Seriously. She only wanted to train somewhere healthy so she could keep skating. She didn't deserve the hate.
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You forgot to mention Medvedeva finally returned to Tutberidze.
Maybe because Diana was born in America? That could be a reason why she doesn’t get any hate?
@@ChristineTheHippie
Medvedeva is a girl from Moscow, she got silver and got angry
went to Orser for that.nothing else
Paola: uploads video
Aliona: transfer to pairs
LITERALLY THO
The ruling actually makes sense to me. She was a minor. There are a lot of things minors can't exactly be found "at fault" for, due to inability to consent. It seems that is the angle here. Kamila isn't responsible for what goes in her body - the adults around her are, because she is under their care as a child. That said, I hope they don't just leave it at this. Even if Kamila isn't "at fault", someone should be held responsible, both for corrupting the sport, and for their negligence & manipulation regarding the health of a child. And obviously even if she isn't at fault, there should still be repercussions.
Exactly! Let's punish the coaches, officials and even Rusada. What we're not gonna do is crucify a 16- year old.
so true. if she isnt at fault she was drugged and that should be addressed
I really hope Eteri and the rest of the coaches are forced to take responsibility for this because she was in their care
Exactly this. Couldn't have said it better
I agree with these remarks and replies. I don't think this sanction is inappropriate. Maybe a little lenient perhaps?
I think a 1 or 2 year ban from international competitions would realistically be more reasonable then four years. Remember, Russian athletes are still competing in domestic competitions--and it has been almost a year already.
So I think one more additional year might be appropriate. That being said, there should be more serious consequences for the coaching staff. They should not be allowed to compete in international competitions for an extended period of time.
A few years, but how long that would be I cannot say.
They, as responsible adults of a minor in their custody. They should get at least as much or more punishment as their athletes. Unfortunately, they probably won't. 😕😓🤢🤐
That's my opinion.
Unqualified and conditional. I certainly am not an expert on this matter or situation.
So Aliona really is moving to pairs. I swear my bood pressure can't handle this girl, please don't injure yourself further, Alion
two arms and a hip surgery, girl better not injure herself worse
Well....im sorry to say this but her arm/hand is INJURED again😢😢😢😢
@@skatingpolina nah you're joking, you have to be joking, right?
She posted an instagram story with her arm in a cast, but (I think) it was from her vacation in 2022 when she broke her arm. There are several different vacation pictures
I hope she does make a world or Olympic team though she is the best skater in history never to be at a world championship
Ugh, it hurts that the only gold medal Sasha has won in her senior level is cause by Kamila doping, she deserved better.
She has won three Grand Prix and multiple smaller competitions in the seniors though.
I mean given that they have the same coach, I wouldn’t be so sure Sasha is clean
@@leilaofpaper Possibly.. but I'm sure by now that she knows that doping does close to nothing to enhance your skating. :)
@@kaamoskukkia I need to catch up on my research then lolz
@@leilaofpaper She was the most tested Russian skater in the last three seasons. With how many surprise tests she's had, there would've had to have been a slip up if she was. Plus she doesnt seem like the one to need it tbh, she's naturally athletic, both of her parents are athletes, her dad an olympic master in all types of fighting and her mom is a competitive runner. Someone who, by Eteri and plushenkos words, has to be "forced off the ice".
The one girl im very suspicious of is Anna. As much as I hate to say it, she's had some miracle transformations.
I feel like people blame Kamila a little too harshly for the doping scandal. While she should have some punishments, Eteri and the rest of the coaches really are the ones who need to be disciplined! I believe it’s much more likely that they gave/forced her to take the meds then her going out of her way to get them. Eteri has always been a very questionable coach and I hope it one day catches up to her
Because she is Russian. The Spanish skater also was doped in the Olympics and no one talks about it.
@@olgaszoke9241 what’s the Spanish skater’s name?
questionable coach?? what does that mean? what do you know about Eteri other than she is a hard worker and makes champions out of her talented students through hard work?? What will happen one day to her?? Catching her up on what??? On working and being successful??
I hope so too
@@tunde-ilonakrasznai7122 on abusing the skaters. It’s a well known fact that she doesn’t teach any of her students proper technique and that has resulted in many injuries. You can see it in the skaters jumps specifically
The most horrible thing is Eteri and this strange doctor of them not recieving any punishment
The only way she would be at no fault was if she was drugged and then that brings up sooooo many questions and concerns that I feel will never be addressed or handled
i mean, who knows what eteri slips in their water bottles
@@aidenussy eteri doesn't even let them drink water
I think when they say she is not at fault they ar emost likely refering to the fact that she is a minor and has had little to no voice in the whole doping thing. However I do think that if they find Kamila not guilty for that they SHOULD find eteri guilty and sanction her in some way or another
You really don't know what it's like in Russia. Especially for a top athlete. She was only 15 when this happened and legally she doesn't really have much body autonomy. They need to go after the couch and the other adults behind her.
@@kellharris2491 I agree but that's exactly what I'm saying I'm saying they must think it eas someone else (not likely they'll do anything about that fact though)
There actually was a case of a Norwegian ski jumping athlete who was handed chapstick by her own coach and it contained an illegal substance, which she was totally unaware of, and she was banned for many years.
Isn't it sad that Sasha gets a gold this way???
I was thinking the same thing. Kinda humiliating imo
Exactly, I don’t think even Sasha herself would be happy abt this. Like I rlly doubt she would ever proudly call herself the champion. She is very hardworking and stubborn and would have wanted to earn that herself rather than “winning” by default.
Awkward
extremely sad and now there are SOME people already claiming her as a fake champion
@@wonu02 considering the disgusting comments and the other women's figure skaters they've made, it's not surprising. Still disgusting. Sasha deserves better.
The fact that Lisa Tuktamisheva could have gone to the Olympics😭😭😭
Tuktik can blame herself, she is so bad
yes but anna stole her place
As Anna said "My task is to skate, and judges make decisions"
@@startracksha She has a powerful father
@@startracksha she still stole her place because of her rich dad
It’s so unfair that Evgenia got called a traitor and was hated when she trained in Canada but still represented Russia. Whereas Eteri trains Italian skater (Daniel Grassl), a Kazakh skater (Elizabeth Tursynbaeva) and she didn’t get hated. And her daughter is switching nationality and there are rumours that Eteri will also switch countries and yet she’s not getting any hate at all?!
The fact that Davis thought that she could just be on the US national team by training here (and being a citizen) is actually hilarious. USFS for sure doesn’t wanna get wrapped up with Eteri. The outrage it would have caused especially when there are so many junior dance teams on the rise about to turn senior in the next year or so.
Aliona turning to pairs was something I expected it's so 'aliona' of her to do lmao let's just hope she doesn't break more bones considering the current state of her body...also disappointing how Sasha won it by someone doping
Im sure Sasha couldn't care less, and is probably out having party right now with Valieva somewhere.
but it wouldn't be disappointing for the US team to win stolen olympic gold the same way
@@tunde-ilonakrasznai7122 sure if you say so? won't bother saying anything else to someone who admires eteri
@@wonu02 Yeah, better to just totally ignore facts and relevant questions - espeically if it doesn't match your own opinions and makes you feel anxiety!
Stay strong, snowflake!
I mean, even if it was not her fault, she still had the substance in her blood, so someone must have been doping her. She is a 15 year old girl. Of course she has trust in her Trainers and medicines. In my opinion she is not the one to blame, but the trainer team Tutberitze is.
It's interesting how differently people can view things. KV has already paid hugely for the positive test - she lost her only shot at an individual Olympic Gold Medal at the height of her career. I feel that you're really minimizing what is, in reality, a catastrophic event for her. She's not going to win as a 19 year old, so her one shot at Olympic Gold is gone. Clearly the positive test broke her at the Olympics (she's recovered and skated well since, but for that competition). It's also unlikely she, at 15 and part of a Russian skating program, has much control over what she took. There's no way she could even procure such drugs on her own, so in that sense the rulings make some sense.
Lastly, here is a quote from Matrix Diagnostics, which is a US drug testing facility: "For some events, drugs are very unlikely to improve performance. One such event is figure skating. ... Figure skating is an event that requires precision, balance and agility. These are not skills that are enhanced with drugs, but through practice and patience. It is for this reason that the drug testing of figure skaters is rare." You can look this up as I can't post links, but the story they tell is that testing in figure skating has been used as a political weapon (by Russia also). This makes me think that these athletes are unfortunately caught up in a corrupt system but all the wrong people are punished. Real justice would investigate anyone with access to these athletes and fine or imprison them. I feel bad for KV as she's a fantastic talent and has paid an enormous price for something that probably didn't even give her much of an advantage (and does anyone believe that the other Russian skaters haven't been through the same sort of mill? They just got the timing right on all but one.)
Finally I found people who has critical thinking in this doping scandal.
I read the doping testing guidelines as well. Because Kamila was in 1st place in Russion championship，she need do mandatory doping test at both short program and long program. her long program result was voided but the short program result is valid per DAK, which means her doping test of short program is negative and the test after long program is positive.
I do think that the Russian coaches need to be investigated. But I take umbridge at the suggestion that doping does not give skaters an edge- the particular banned substances that figure skaters have been caught using (TMZ and meladonium) improve *practice* and stamina. They're all drugs that assist with endurance, allowing for longer practice sessions, which we know are the eteri training methods. It's the same style of doping that Lance Armstrong was doing (and never had a positive test for).
@@KamilaValieva-fan are talking about short and long at RusNats?
@@dalek1147 yup
@@KamilaValieva-fan where I can find doping testing guidelines? Also, where was it stated that the positive probe is the one that after the long? I really want to know
If Kamila was disqualified for the Beijing Olympics (which she should be), Sasha and Anya would be competing in Teams event, Sasha would have a team gold along with the others and Anya could have the chance to obtain two gold medals from the Olympics. There would be no drama, no tears and no controversy etc. What a pity! All these are ruined by choosing the wrong star!
If Kamila was not set up and Anya Shcherbakov didn’t bribe WADA and ISU judges, Kamila would win 2 golds, Sasha would be happy with her silver medal
@@KamilaValieva-fan ：Kamila's crazy fans make her look like a total witch and a cult leader! So disgusting! Righteousness will prevail and Kamila and her partners in crime will be severely punished. Her single mother will never succeed to make her a cash cow even she risked Kamila's reputation and career. Plan failed badly!
Bribe international judges... It's THAT easy
Nope. It all gone wrong because WADA have not tested every skater in time. It’s literally their time management responsibility for not giving the red flag
By that mistake MOC can’t give bronze and silver medals to other 2 countries. And Russian skaters who earned gold medal can’t have their golden medal either. And Kamila’s incident went viral despite the rule protecting her identity
It’s all literally testing agency fault. And of course the ones doping Kami. But if it was made rightfully and in time she would just not compete at OG. WADA’s mistake on the other hand created huge struggles for so many people
because the 'wrong star' was an obvious winner and multiple record breaker on previous international competitions where she always tested negative. It was obvious who's sample should be manipulated because it was obvious that Kamila will compete in the team event. Only Kamila was sure, nobody knew whether Sasha or Anna will compete along with Kamila in the team event. At the end only Kamila competed in the team and nobody was expecting that. But the manipulators were right, if they had manipulated Sasha's or Anna's sample the team event would had been untouched by that. Also it was sure that Kamila will win the individual event based on previous competitions where Kamila won by huge margins with world records and she was not even perfect. The potential was so high that she will win the individual as well that the sample manipulators were sure that the scandal it's guaranteed.
Soooo messed up!
If Kamila had been caught during rusnats, Liza would have gone to Olympics. Can’t imagine what is she feeling now.
Also, what’s with group event? Does this result mean she wasn’t entitled to be a part of a team so the ceremony will finally be held?
So many questions…
I'm still salty about Liza being robbed of her olympic spot.
@@ChristineTheHippie her ticket to Olympics was stolen by Anna Shcherbakova
they had to made sure Valieva get to Olympics no matter what because she's the "gold contender" unlike Liza 💔💔
@@jeebanjeeban87 and they wound up overplaying their hand. Had Liza gone, Russia still would have won team gold, and maybe they would have swept. The women's event would have been so much better
@@jeebanjeeban87 they did the same with Anna Shcherbakova when putting her in third place without any ultra C. So yeah... technically Liza was robbed twice 🥲
CAS dropped the bag the moment they let Kamila skate at the Olympics. She should have never been allowed and disqualified - however clearly choices were made and I am pretty sure money was involved. Now with the ruling I am not too shocked since she was a minor when this unfolded and while YES she should have checked what she puts in her body, she was again a minor. She is under Eteri, who is highly respected and you didn't really question her - you do as your coach tells you. I get westerners will expect more thought from a teenager, but different cultures and again she was a minor. A minor who was put through literal hell. People should be focused on Eteri and making sure she would never coach again, but no everyone is hooked on Kamila.
I literally would love to be a fly on the wall during Diana and Glebs discussions about the future. I mean did they honestly think the US would allow them to skate in this political climate and with twtfs being out for blood at least once a week?
It’s all politics. CAS WADA IOC are team players. They created the scandal to boost broadcasting rate.
Well.... you CAN dope by accident. But that would still be the athletes fault for not checking the stuff they put in or on their bodies
I just hope the Russian are ban from the Olympics and will never be allow to compete outside of Russia we don't want cheating dope up abuse little girls in our sports
I just hope the Russian are ban from the Olympics and will never be allow to compete outside of russia
Especially since RUSADA said that she was at 'no fault or negligence', if she accidentally doped as they claim that seems pretty negligent
Agreed. It happened to a Scottish skier once (representing Team GB). He used a Vicks inhaler that he uses a home all the time, that's safe, but bought it abroad. It had different ingredients which made him test positive. He had his bronze medal at Olympics stripped.
I was heartbroken for him, as he won his medal fairly (a Vicks inhaler won't do anything), BUT ...yes, he should have checked and not assumed anything. This incident was a lot less innocuous than the Valieva situation, and he got banned. Imo Valieva needs a 4 year ban. A slap on the wrist won't stop a team doping their skaters 🤷🏼♀️
how? what if they mix it in her drinks or something idk they probably control her whole life I doubt that she can really check what hey give her, especially with her being this young, but maybe she knew about it, who knows...
“It seems like every time I upload a video, something crazy happens the next day” - it’s because figure skating wants you to post more often ☺️☺️☺️
That's right
Everyone says that Sasha doesn't (or even shouldn't) feel a complete victory in such gold.. that it's dirty and a bit wrong.
But if you think about it, in this case it is only she who can really rejoice and be proud of herself. Not the US team who will get their gold, not the Japan team. But only Sasha. Why? Because it was on the day of the Russian championships when Kamila violated doping. Many often forget that all of her next tests were clean. Technically, at the Olympics during performances, Kamila was clean. Of course, she shouldn't have been there, but that's not the point. At the Olympics, she technically did it without the help of substances. So tell me, who, if not Sasha, can be proud of such a victory? And if even she cannot do it now, then what about others? What about their feelings? This whole situation just messed up 2022 Olympics.
Kamila also tested negative before the Russian Nationals during the whole season when she competed and won with record breaking scores in grand prix events and other international competitions.
The first thing to know about kids is that in the long run, they CANNOT KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT.
I wouldn't be surprised if she was getting the tmz without her knowledge
never in my life have i clicked so fast on one of your videos (also lately i've been getting into figure skating twitter and it's so chaotic i love it)
edit: not you just uploading a video and then finding out about kosto switching to pairs😭😅
Same!!
I just hope the Russian are ban from the Olympics and will never be allow to compete outside of Russia we don't want cheating dope up abuse little girls in our sports
Yikes I wouldn't believe everything I see on fs twitter
The only way Kamila is not at fault is if she ingested the drugs unknowingly. Which is just as worrying cause why are the adults around her like Eteri and the sketchy doctor not being questioned? I don’t think Kamila should be made an example of cause clearly Eteri uses her girls like objects and I don’t think Kamila did this all by herself.
Andreea Raducan's doctor was not only questioned but banned for 2 Olympic cycles.
You really don't know what it's like in Russia. Especially for a top athlete. She was only 15 when this happened and legally she doesn't really have much body autonomy. They need to go after the couch and the other adults behind her.
You really think a 15 year old Russian skater whose coach weighs her 3 times a day is allowed to prepare and cook her own food during an Olympic cycle? 👀 all I could do at 15 is spaghetti bolognese/lasagna, cheese on toast, and baked goods 😅
@@jakew7982 No, I don't think Kamila took the drugs herself. But I also think this punishment is way too light. It shows other ppl that if you're young enough, you might get away with doping. I support Kamila and hopes she doesn't get a harsh punishment but this is too little. It's unfair to the other athletes who got disqualified the minute they tested positive.
@@jakew7982 And didn't I just say that Eteri, the other coaches and the doctor should be investigated?
Sasha finally has a gold medal!
So Rusada is really saying "it's okay to dope if they're young enough to say they're not responsible."
@@bugginz what history?? There is no similar history behind the coaches? what are you talking about?
Adults should be responsable not the children they use like puppets.
Will Sasha get a medal ceremony? And what about Liza? If Kamila had been disqualified at the time - Liza could have had a chance at going to the Olympics.
No, you don't understand the logic. Imagine an athlete was slipped a PED. The athlete had no knowledge, didn't want it but it clearly helped the athlete and was discovered later. What does that do to the other competitors who lost by a razors margin? So you disqualify the athlete, give the medals to the others, and hold the athlete "not responsible."
Now RUSADA could do that for Kamila, for no other reason than she was under aged, a "protected person." They (or any other regulatory body) could conclude that, even if she knew, she didn't have the maturity to understand. So then RUSADA could take away her title and still hold her not responsible.
I always love your updates! I'm so happy that Trusova finally got a gold.
I commented on Eteri’s post of them a sarcastic remark about them skating for the USA and someone replied that they would be skating for Israel. That’s where that rumor came from
Russian "Anti" Doping Agency doesn't seem so strict
She's only fifteen, of course she wasn't at fault. More action needs to be taken against Team Tutberdize, they abuse these girls then feed them to the wolves. Kamila needs support, but of course there should be sanctions. I'd like to see a clearer ruling that makes it very clear that her team has a culture of doping and they are to blame, not a child. Her coaches should be investigated thoroughly and punished.
Raducan doped by accident too and it was deprived form her medal, but Kamila shouldn't? and the russians are all complaining about the rules being soft for americans like come on stop deflecting the main accusation, those russians are really starting to hit the nerves here
Raducan doping case is a scandal to wada, absurd super absurd, that should never have happened
What should be done is that Tutberize should have a lifetime ban. Plus Valieva should be fined on top of the 4 year ban.
Ugh I’m so sick of all the drama in the big sports in general and figure skating in particular. Like why can’t people just play fair and not mix politics into sports and everything? (I’m not naive Ik how the world works btw I just wanna save a lil bit of hope that someday sports and politics won’t go hand in hand and everyone will play fair)
The amount of h4te towards a girl who was 15 at that time is quite shocking. Her career is already destroyed and yet people want more blood. How s!ck are you?
I agree about the hate but her career is far from destroyed, she is seen as a hero in Russia
@@ashleyeich5874 I mean outside in international competitions, even if she is allowed she will never get any fair scores from the judges neither support from the crowd as she used to. Outside of Russia Kamila is finished, I would say not so much from the doping scandal but from the witch hunt the western press is making towards a minor.
@@ashleyeich5874 yeah the notoriety def led to the most fame amongst her quad
@@ashleyeich5874 That's true but I think they mean that she's lost her possibility to win a gold olympic medal (and with the war the world championships as well actually).
Not gonna lie, when you said about unexpected news falling on you in the last moment, I thought you would talk about Aliona instead of Diana&Gleb. So, when I realized that you are not covering Aliona's switching to pairs, I was like "HAHAHAHAHAHA, good luck with covering Russian tea on time Paola, good luck". For me, it was ironic
Literally once you uploaded a video, something crazy happened 😂 Aliona announced to switch to pairs 😂
Finally my Russian 🚀 gets what she deserves.
I was waiting for you to post this tbh, but I wonder how sasha would feel now after winning gold like this and in this I general is she happy if she wins gold when her team mates (in russia) without them in the competition. Is she happy when she wins or when she wins against rivals?
They are not saying she doped by accident, they are saying she is a child and we don’t punish the child for the wrongs of the adults that forced the child to do something wrong. The child should not be punished, but that doesn’t mean she gets to keep whatever she won by cheating. The right decision. Take away the medals won while during the positive test, investigate the adults and leave the child alone.
I don't agree with the hate you throw at Kamila.. This not only her problem! Her teachers and doctors are the most important people to investigate on and punish. This girl has some fault but I doubt she did it all by herself..
but what about euros and more importantly the olympics??? there are still so many people from Japan and the US without medals! Nathan needs his double gold and pls give Kaori her silver. Plus sherbs needs her Euro gold. OMG and what about kamis world records that she set after the positive test?
EDIT: i do think that the other ROC team people should get their golds because they did nothing wrong (from what we know rn)
Go sue IOC and stop slander Kamila. It’s IOC decided not distribute the medals!
@@KamilaValieva-fan I’m not sure that I slandered her but ok. I’m just saying that there are many people who are 100% innocent but have still not received their medals :)
@@briardorogusker2667 Not distributing medals is IOC’s fault
@@KamilaValieva-fan i belive that they are not allowed to because WADA has not decided if kami should get a medal or not. (and the russian team) . Though i could totaly be wrong 😓
@@briardorogusker2667 until CAS rules that Kamila’s Olympic results are invalid, Kamila is the god winner. You can check ISU, Olympic, Wikipedia, her results are valid now. IOC should follow it’s rules and award the medals. They can take back the medals if CAS’s decision is different. This rules had been applied so many years!
Alexandra finally gets her gold!
i might be alone on this but i dont hate what the russian ruling is for kamila. like does anyone really think she doped herself? i find it hard to believe that she would, so them saying while yes you were found guilty of it it was not you who doped yourself so we are taking that title away from when you were. if in turn they made her do more drug test or something i think that could be fair. idk maybe its because i just feel bad for the girl, but being realistic its not like she will stay in the sport for very long anyways.
There’s no way she didn’t know what she was taking. I grew up doing sports and I was always told what kind of pre work out and such I was given by my coaches. Doping is a pretty serious thing and she should definitely be banned. That’s not to say that I don’t enjoy her skating and she want to see perform, just not at international level cuz that wouldn’t be fair to the other skaters.
So nobody should be held responsible? She competes as an adult but isn’t treated like one in fair trial? Russians run a state funded doping program, if you agree with their doping rulings you need to reevaluate how fair this is to other athletes.
We don't know Kamila, who knows what she's capable of. Don't put her on a pedestal.
But even if she didn't dope herself I hope WADA finds her guilty cause that would lead to an investigation, and Tutberidze coachs would be the first suspects. I can't wait to see what happens with them.
While it is true that she is a little girl, none of y’all know these girls personally so it looks really funny to me seeing a lot of people saying “oh she wouldn’t do that herself”, how would y’all know? She might’ve been manipulated into it, but she still has to be punished. The important thing here to see is, this is not only about Kamila, who’ll soon be thrown out by the team anyways, but this absolutely ruins the reputation of the sport if there’s left any. It shows that DOPING is not taken seriously and that the system is corrupted and it can be easily played with. Even the excuse they came up with sounded nothing more than a joke to me, almost as if they were mocking people. From what I see all situations coming from this ridiculous camp is disgrace to this sport
@@lanahalapir6032 yeah but maybe they didn’t tell her that’s the thing. we don’t know how far they’re willing to go
I feel so badly for the Olympic figure skaters from the team figure skating event because it has been over a year and they still haven’t received their medals or a proper ceremony. 💔
I honestly have a mixed opinion on this, it’s Kamila’s fault but at the same time she’s a minor it’s on her parents and her coaches
I think that both sides should be punished. I do not belive that athlet can take this substances without coch knowledge. All her titles from this season should be given to other people. She is a minor so i think she should be able to compet. I mean she has given up a lot. And we all know that she wont be performing in the next olimpics.
Could you touch on some results on recent comps like national ones and, oh well *KOSTO SWITCHING TO PAIRS* 💀
I’m confused, so does kamilas world record count anymore?
omg aliona literally joined pair skating tho
Just watched the European Championships men competition and Daniel Grassl was accompanied by the Tutberidze team. I didn’t Eteri, but her two buddies were hanging around Grassl. Oh boy! What a devastating move.
I would be very satisfied if ISU imposes a lifetime ban on Eteri Tutberidze. Her coaching of athletes and overall ethics is cause for investigation.
Even if Kamila is stripped of her European title and disqualified from the Olympics (which she should be) and Russia is stripped of their Olympic Gold Medal from the Team Event, Eteri still walks away with European Gold and Silver in the women's event, and gold and silver from Beijing. Eteri should be punished, too.
for what???
I feel like even if the Russians are allowed to compete in the next Olympics, Kamilla will be retired by then.
Usually representing another nation in sports are easily accessible so long you obtain the passport of said country in most cases
I haven’t followed this closely lately and I’m hoping someone will answer a question for me. Is there any way their reason for acquitting her of responsibility is because she was a minor and it was possibly given to her by an adult? I don’t know what the investigation found so I could be way off. Anyone willing to fill me in?
To get an Israeli citizenship it’s required to be a descendant of a Jew (max of 3 generations back) which Gleb is, and because they are married Diana will get one too. As long as Gleb can prove that he has a Jewish gran-grandma they will get a citizenship pretty easily. I think it is really possible that they do this move because the Israeli federation has no big names in the skating world so it’s make sense that they will accept them
Spanish: esto es cierto??? Para obtener la ciudadanía israelí se debe ser si o sí judio y descendientes de judíos??? WTF??!!! Por qué son tan selectivos??? Y de esa manera. Parecen los alemanes en los 40's: "si no sos ario no sos alemán"
You honestly put it straight into perspective. I know a lot of her f[st]ans will argue otherwise but as once a teenager who was involved in my respective sport, i was always well aware about the common overdriven slogan "Say No to drugs". Anywho, i appreciate you remind others that while someone accused of this "may have been given things, its that person who ultimately puts it in their mouth". And NO, people. This is not to say other sick twisted people were not at play because THEY WERE and that very much angers me but i believe fair punishment should be given on both sides of the aisle.
At what level did you compete? We’re you at a high enough level that a surprisingly high level of competitors (read: everybody) had some form of asthma? Really weird how asthma is actually correlated with being a national level athlete 😅 the premier league is filled with asthma sufferers too.
I just recently started following figure skating again, after of years not paying much attention to it.
So this whole story is a complete mystery to me. 🤷♂️
I guess I need to do some digging back to the original incident in question.
What does it mean for the team medal? Nobody got it because of the scandal
I’m sorry what?!?!?!? How is she acquitted. Come on Rusada. Also go Sasha!
Only by RUSADA not by WADA. RUSADA is just trying to delay the inevitable disqualification as long as possible. They'll definitely appeal to CAS. This is just a delay.
Thank goodness
Knowing Sasha I rlly doubt she is happy about this. She is very hardworking and would have wanted to win this herself rather than technically getting it by default.
I just hope the Russian are ban from the Olympics and will never be allow to compete outside of russia
@@oyinolubayo7079 this isn't how any athlete wants a title
First off, I agree that the decision was a joke, because accidental ingestion of TMZ through sharing a glass with her grandfather is ludicrous. But if you really do buy that ridiculous claim, it's still fair to strike the medal Valieva won on the night she tested positive, on the grounds that she had an "unintentional" competitive advantage over the other skaters. Plus, they may want to throw a bone to Trusova, lest she give up on competitive figure skating as she was sobbing she wanted to after last year's Olympics.
Girl, Aliona switched to pairs !!!
I think wada wants Eteri's head more than Kamilla's.
I wonder if they sanctioned her as long as she skated for Eteri. Not gonna happen, but I'd be curious.
It may make sense that she was found to not be at fault or negligent but only if the case found someone else at fault. Someone needs to take the hit and it should be an adult who supplied the medication to her and/or encouraged her to take it
Speaks kindly of all the others, love him love her watching this one watching that one but when it comes to anything russian (except aliona) then over critical. This drama happens everywhere it's probably swept under the rug and with russia this sport might be more popular there than in the other countries so news and drama will come to light.
do we know when the team/ if the team standings will shift? from 2022
I feel bad for Trusova, but also for Adeliia Petrosian. She was robbed of standing on the podium entirely.
I lo e the subs autocorrecting Grassl to Grasshole haha
There's a huge Russian diaspora in Israel and many of them are in art and sports, in many cities there are Russian supermarkets and state services are sometimes offered in Russian as well. I don't know what the state of ice dancing is here, but in day to day life Israel may be a little more accesible to Russians than other countries are (I'm Israeli).
I’m mad because it’s her coaching staff that should be sanctioned because she likely did as she was told and she was/is a child!
I feel bad, I’m just confused on how Trusova is gold now if it was originally Anna? Did Anna get booted down somehow and I missed it? Asking as a friend!
Anna was first on de olympic games, this is about the russian championship
Their talking abt Russian champions… kamila was first, Sasha was second and Anna 3rd
@@twinkharrylwt226 OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH okay that makes more sense!
what about aliona kostarnaia switching to pairs?!?!?!
For all the people who are saying "well, she's a minor, she shouldn't be penalized"
Sort of true but also not at all.
Obviously, she's not the one making the decision and sitting around on the dark web purchasing some random meds. She was made to take them. BUT not sanctioning her in any significant way means: ok, everybody out there, minors are fair game! Dope away!
there's already the issue of Eteri Tutberidze using the lightness and body build that is essentially prepubescent or kept that as much as possible to give her skaters crappy technique and that goes "unpunished" by scoring.
If this doping is left unpunished just because a skater who was allowed to participate in a senior devision should be treated like they did nothing wrong because of their age, then we're in a whole new mess of things.
they took her russian champion title because they is no way to keep it when the positive doping testing came on the same day
Kamila and her team should be punished. End of story.
I'm confused. I thought kamila placed 4th and anna placed first and sasha 2nd when a of this happened. So when did that happen? And when did kamila place first?
Team event. Also Kamila doped on Russian nationals, meaning all results after that should be revoked. That means the 2021 Russian nationals gold should go to Sasha and EU championship gold should go to Anna.
The coaches should be banned. Full stop.
Maybe Eteri as some sort of connection with Israel, I don’t really know I’m just supposing 🤷♀️
Dave Lease of The Skating Lesson TH-cam calls out Eteri about her Daughter marriage of Smolkin in US and even applying for US Figure Skating for playing. Ya know he was the right person to talk to
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Triple oxymoron
Kamila ❤ you 🙏
if wada really wants to set an example and discourage people from doing this again, literally just strip her titles, including the team gold medal from the olympics. yea it sucks for everyone else involved but it’s fair. that would be a much more effective punishment than sanctioning a ban that is basically already in place. russian interest hardly matters in international sport at this point seeing as russians are literally banned, so there’s really no need for this ridiculous hesitation in giving a punishment
If WADA really wants to set an example, ban Jessica Kalalang 4 years first
@@KamilaValieva-fan the differance here is that Jessica was put through a multiple moth long battle because she wore make up while Kamilia would have had to ingest the heart medications she was givin. In comparing the cases I'm more willing and do believe that Jessica is without any wrong doing. Kamilia while she was a minor was obviously in the wrong and should be banned along with her coaching team and that creepy doctor. The ruling from RUSADA makes no sense if Kamilia is acquitted but doped with no fault of her own whos fault is it? The coaches, the parents, the doctors, and the russian system that pumps out little girls to put through hell so that it can get medals?
@@samanthapope828 your comments shows exactly how WADA, USADA and Kamila haters are hypercritical, double standards, American exceptionalism, and shameless.
IF the Court of Arbitration for Sports holds this up, then essentially they are saying that WADA has authority over every country not named Russia. Russia of course has no oversight from any agency outside itself.
Are you Argentinian?
I don’t understand how she was stripped from Russian Champion title, but they didn’t strip her off European and Olympics. It needs to be consistent.
Sorry, old question probably, but why are they still in T.s Team, when there are others available? Do they in secret like the drill, or do they think they need this savagely push? Is it just going the way of least resistance? But they seem tough though! And leaving the country doesnt seem an option for any of them (odear, Kamila anyway couldnt perform abroad, what a mess...). Or is it some russian-mentality-thing in regard of a secret liking to suffer??
Could somebody please comment on this?
Just heart-breaking seeing Kamila going on like this, I cannot understand...
Too many Russians :/ sad to see people still can’t get over this country for which sport is politicized and unethical. We all would better off not talking about them anymore.
People take it too personal when you say kamila is doping like yall chill. She may took it by mistake but it doesnt matter. Yes she is a minor but a 16 years old one and she is an olympic athlete. If she was a person who lets the adults around her do everything for her she wouldn't be one this day. Some of yall cant get the mindset of a even 16 year old athlete and wait for them to act like when you were 16 lmao. Yes this is so sad for her but a 16 year old olypmic athlete should be checking everything she uses. Being the one responsible for your own mistakes is not worse than blaming it on the others just because you are a "minor" im not saying eteri is not the one who encouraged it but kamila is not a person who has nothing to say
@@baa844yes and they cant see that they are underestimating her with that kind of words. She is not a stupid 16 year old child who doesnt even know what she is using
in my opnion a 4 year ban to much but i think her to losing any titles she earnt in 2022 and the next half of this year should be revoked and missing next Olympics will be a alr sanction as it wernt really her her coaches prob lied to her about the drug or she toke it without realising both them should be punshied
¿En serio haber perdido la medalla de oro en los JJOO que todos sabíamos que llevaba su nombre te parece "ninguna consecuencia"? Si hubiera salido inocente (y cuatro años para una menor es una salvajada, deberían sancionar al equipo de Eteri, no cuatro años sólo a ella) las repercusiones las habría sufrido igual porque le destrozaron el cerebro en un deporte en el que el equilibrio es fundamental. En serio, cada vez pincho tus vídeos con menos ganas porque sé que voy a encontrarme con muy poco rigor. En fin...
Kamila has already had her Olympic performance ruined when she fell apart under the stress, already been banned from at least one season of international events because of politics, and now lost her national title. Let's just call it done and move on. At least Sasha finally gets her gold medal, which has been eluding her in all major competitions since turning senior. She was still robbed of the Olympic gold, but I'm hoping she will be competing long enough to avenge that in 2026.
the stress and ruin of her olympics was because of herself and her coaches. nothing has happened to her yet.
@@briardorogusker2667 Did you miss the mobs of reporters around her, and the many interviews of former skaters calling her a liar and cheater and saying she shouldn't be there? Did you see her fall apart in her free skate? She's the best skater in the world. That was not just a bad day. That was all mental and emotional stress they put her thru.
@@quatele i understand the mental and emitonal stress but she did lie and cheat. and she should not have been there. I am not saying that media is perfect. I am saying that its not like they all together woke up one day and chose to bully her specificly. She should have never been allowed to compete
@@briardorogusker2667 why the test was delayed for 46 days? Why would Kamila needs the poison which has no benefit to her at all in the most important national match?? She was already the world record keeper.
@@briardorogusker2667 emmmmm, this is exactly how it looked. Like they woke up, saw the news and decided to bully her, without keeping in mind that she is a human going through hard times. Of course, she must have been held accountable. But all those media figures were neutral just in terms of formal language, mercilessness were written between the lines. And I don't believe in "ruining an olympic experience" shit. A win is a win, even without a medal. It was a solomonic decision: let her skate, as there was no time to investigate but not give out medals in case of her being on podium
Why doesn’t Tuberizde’s daughter do figure skating?
Kinda like pleading "no contest". Not fighting but not admitting either.
Liza's been robbed of her Olys spot 🥲🥲
I can understand holding Valieva not at fault (though … c’mon, that means you should be faulting someone else), but even if she isn’t at fault there should have been consequences beyond a single stripped medal. Precedent in other sports certainly would suggest it, and even more so given Russia’s already sketchy doping status.
Because I was curious, I took a quick glance at Wikipedia; neither Smolkin nor Davis has any obvious notes re. Jewish ancestry on their pages, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, and I think Israel will permit aliyah with a single grandparent in the right framework. FSR-Jewishness is a complicated thing given how the Soviets cracked down on it for sure. But if that rumour proves true, I’d be interested in seeing what logic is put out.
(First time commenter but been watch for a while now - hello!)
i’m sorry but i think the whole “she put it in her mouth, she knew” or whatever is complete bullshit. athletes can absolutely dope by accident? it just doesn’t make any sense to put all the blame on kamila instead of eteri? bc whether or not she knew, she most likely would’ve had to get them from eteri. idk it’s just she’s a 16 y/o girl. are you rlly gonna blame the child or the adults that are in charge of her?
Why she needs to take a poison cause unbalance at the most important match in Russia? She is in the 1st place and doping test is mandatory for 1st place winner.
Please think hard.
@@KamilaValieva-fan girl what the fuck are u even talking about😭 all i’m saying is it’s fucking stupid to blame her for it. not saying she should go unscathed bc her doping puts her at an unfair advantage but why is ur first thought to blame the child like she had a choice? it’s wrong
@@_warnerwantsmesobad_ Her coaches would not stupid enough to dope Kamila in the most important national match either!
All the 1st place athelets in the match must do doping tests. 2-8 place holders are selectively doing doping tests.
Kamila was in 1st place in both short and long program so she had to do doping tests after both short program and long program. Which coaches would be stupid enough to do this?
@@KamilaValieva-fan again, what the fuck are u even talking about. u don’t know what they’re willing to do for the gold, i wouldn’t place all ur bets on that
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤Kamila