I have had a DSl 40CR since mid 2019 and I love it . 5 years and zero issues or complaints other than not liking the stock V type speaker which didn't matter because I bought specifically to run though extension cabs because it's doesn't come as a head but eventually I heard the DSL 40C which had a creamback M65 in it and was blown away so I ordered one and put it in my 40CR and was extremely impressed with how much bettet it sounded . I don't normally like open back combos on their own but with the Creamback M I actually use the combo on its own quite frequently. I still prefer it with a closed back 1 by 12 or 2 by 12 but using the 40CR on its own for a different flavor is a nice option to have. The classic Gain Channel cranked in crunch mode does a very usable classic Marhsall open back combo tone
@@before120 ..best technical explanation ever, in perfect English. You should be awarded a Shakespearian gold metal, for that fine work of literature...puttz.
I bought a dsl20hr and am running it through a Hughes and kettner cab with a vintage 30 (which everyone says sounds like crap) I love it. The speaker definitely had to break in first but now I'm getting some killer tones out of it.
Quick question. I just bought a DSL40CR, and while the channel buttons and master volume buttons give a bit of resistance and have a 'click' when you push them in, the FX loop button does not. The button works, but there's no resistance or click when you push it. Does your amp do this? 🤔@@adamwatson6916
The new DSL’s are FAR BETTER MADE than the JCM2000’s. I’m an amp tech. The JCM2000’s were one of the worst Marshalls ever made. A nightmare to service, run away bias drift issues due to crap circuit boards. The new DSL’s are VERY well made for the price point and a dream to service. They’re the most serviceable amps Marshall has made since the JCM800’s.
I own a marshall dsl20hr tube head and personally i can tell you that its one of the best amps ive ever tried it gives great tones for many styles especially if youre a more metal guitar player its a GREAT AMP that can give great tones for various types of metal genres all in all its a great budget amp that can rival some of the more famous amps.
I have the same one. It sounds incredible on the Classic Gain Channel wit Boss SD-1, SD-2 and OD-2 (Turbo). Only other amp I'd like yet is the 2525H, but DSL20H I will never part with.
Well, yeah. Thats generally what will happen when a company sells out to crappy new owners who cut corners and worsen products... Would-be customers will look to other companies who can still make high quality version of the products they want. Only boomers would make a brand their personality to the point that they'll blindly stick with them after a buyout by crappy new owners, which produces inferior products from a team that Includes none of the talent or expertise that had nothing to do with the product he enjoyed in the first place. It's just dumb. Marshall is now owned by a headphone company, and the staff running it now came from sports clothing and footwear compoanies. no joke. They've repeatedly shown that the know nothing about guitars, and the old marshall design and tech team are looong gone since the buyout. Marshalls after from the last few years are mostly cheap chinese made crap, and are becoming prone to dveloping faults, because they're just not well made. Why else do you think they're losing their endorsees? After 40 years of endorsements, Slash jumped ship to magnatone. SLASH FFS... Jim Marshall will be spinning in his grave.
Nothing wrong with Chinese made. Most stuff is made in China and is absolute quality. Wang amplifiers for instance. The bill of Materials and cutting corners is the main issue.
@@MadJackChurchill1312 I strongly disagree that most stuff made in China is great quality. Chinese made stuff CAN be high quality, but the vast majority of it isn't. Most western companies don't make stuff there because the high quality of manufacturing. They make stuff there specifically for the purpose of cutting corners, prioritising speed, and building on a 'cost over quality' basis. Gear manufactured in the US UK and EU for example have higher material and labour costs associated, and companies know that quality standards have to be higher to justify the higher price to the consumer. While that's not a hard and fast rule, it is the case way more often than it isn't.
When they asked Bonamassa about using dsl2000's he said he used them because the sound was just as good as his vintage Marshalls.......but what does he know.
I think home/bedroom players who love tube amps and are in the know, have an attenuator. The whole “too loud for home use” thing is really not a thing once you get one. Which again, tube lovers already probably have. I love the studio line from Marshall. I own all 4 and keep the power tubes saturated and the volume down. Life’s good.
Exactly. Any home player with even the most basic tube amp knowledge base is either going to buy an attenuator or they will buy a tube amp more suitable for home use . If you buy an NMV single channel vintage/plexi type amp you will get an attenuator or you will buy a dual channel Lower wattage master volume amp . I have no issues using my DSL 40 CR at home without an attenuator. Between the master volumes and the lower wattage settings i have no issues and the tone is great although I do plan on getting an attenuator soon because i want to add a Marshall 1987 to the lineup .
@@castleanthrax1833 no, he's right a Marshall needs to be turned up to get that tone, There's nothing subjective about this , this is proven fact. all those great jams using Marshall weren't played @1 on the volume scale, All those great Hendrix tunes in which he used a Marshall would have been crap at low volume. sorry.
Marshalls were not meant to be played at bedroom levels to begin with, gerting a marshall to play at home you have to buy a good attenuator, that is the price you have to pay to get a plexi sounds at bedroom levels, the new 20w amps says it all in the name "studio" vintage. my sv20 sounds glorious at home with my rivera rock crusher attenuator, i dont feel the need to own another amp.
That may be true for vintage Marshall's but there are modern Marshall's that sound great for bedroom playing . Anything 50 watts or Lower can sound great at home if they have a decent master volume. The DSls also have power scaling so they can work for bedroom playing. I use a DSL 40CR ran through a 2 by 12 in my bedroom/living room/Kitchen and can get very nice saturated tones . The right tool for the right job used in the right way can solve almost all these issues
Your opinion is certainly that, of course. I have a DSL40CR that I like a lot. The Psionic Audio channel rated it over Fenders because of the build quality, with fewer if any planned obsolescence components like resistors up against the PCB. I typically use pedals into the clean channel and it does great. It does get annoying when channels slam some of a manufacturer's budget line. I'm not a pro but I have been playing for a long long time, and when I started playing most copy guitars didn't have brand names because they were trash. However, it was all I could afford. Now cheap gear has gotten a lot better, to where even Mike Rutherford plays a Squier and Brian Aubert prefers Epiphone. A lot of this starts to sound like gatekeeping. Also, if you have a bio page listing recorded output, or tours played, I'd love to see it.
Bingo. I just played a DSL at the music store the other day when I was shopping for something else. Now I'm strongly considering buying one. It sounded great and the price tag didn't make my blood pressure skyrocket.
Yeah, trying to diss the DSL lines is pure snobbery. I have a Marshall Vintage Modern 2266C and a Ceriatone JTM45 clone, both damn good amps and I love the sounds I can get from them. However, my V1 tube swapped DSL15 arguably has more tonal variety, and it’s smaller and quieter, so it gets played the most. They aren’t perfect and they aren’t the best sounding amps Marshall ever put out, but they’re very good at what they do, and especially for the price.
@@ParanormalArson I HAVE A DSL1 TUBE HEAD WITH MARSHALL 1X10 ZAKKWYLDE CABS AND CHANGED JUNK SPEAKERS T0 GREENBACK 10 AND CELESTI0N VINTAGE10. ITS KILLER LIL MINISTACK! I
@@watersnortmoment3734The best Marshall in my opinion, for those who love the old-school JTM 45 type of circuit, is the Origin 20 It does the job very well and it works absolutely perfect with your favorite OD pedal. I recommend the Friedman Smallbox OD to run with the Origin......they become one, and it is absolutely 💯% awesome !
I have the jvm 410h. Yes it's expensive and way more wattage than I'll ever need, but the master volume allows me to get bedroom volume and the sound is what we all dream off. I have a class 5 for sale
Same! I love my JVM 410H. I run it into a “mini full stack” 1936 Vintage (top) and 1936 Lead (bottom). I have a lot of modern and vintage amps, and the Marshall is still my go to.
@MrTelekes The attenuator acts as a load box/wattage sucking speaker (not very technical terms, but you get the point), it doesn’t really effect anything inside the amp, only the signal going out of the amp. The only thing that’s at risk would be the tubes, since you can push their output beyond what you’d normally get away with. Basically, the damage is coming from turning the amp up, the same damage would happen at the same settings otherwise. The attenuator itself isn’t causing any damage. Summary: The attenuator itself causes no damage, it’s the fact that you’re turning up the amp, thus increasing the load for the tubes to handle.
Especially 5 watts..ha.What a joke.Go to a Ted Nugent gig.4 100 watt Fender Dual Showmen at full blast.Those were the days.Complaining about 5 watts being to loud.Don't be silly!
I honestly think the newest dsl100h and the dsl20hr are the best sounding amps Marshall has made in a long while. And the quality is pretty good for the price. So I pretty harshly disagree with you on that one. The original Jubilees do sound great tho.
I have a 1985 jcm800 50w non master with a 4x12 …and I gig it all the time ! After playing that you just can’t get used to other small amps …helps that I mostly play punk music
Hey man, fellow punk musician here. Is there a cheaper Marshall amp that will get me that jcm tone or do you know of any jcm clones that will? Would love to have a jcm but it’s pretty pricey. Was thinking about the dsl 20
With the JCM 2000's, I think it's now become like a product recall. To summarise, if yours has the ISS45 board, it may be prone to bias drift etc. Marshall produced a new board, The ISS20. Seems like a faff, but they're great sounding amps.
dont know anyone that iused the JCM 2000 DSL??? there was this guy from Ireland...Gary Moore..he was pretty good on the guitar, well he used them a LOT. Ohhh..and that Jeff Beck guy..he was pretty good. Research is your friend.
If you could get Marshall JCM 2000 dsl for free like Gary did you’d use them too. Gary was an amazing player he could plug into a cheeseburger and it was sound incredible. As for Nuno, seems like he’s on a budget, an amazing player nevertheless. Love both of them.
@@barano9729 Eh? on a budget you don't think any amp company would jump at a chance to have Nuno play their stuff?? as for Gary, he could have used ANYTHING Marshall made (as could Jeff), he picked the DSL, in fact after he tried Soldano for a brief time, he went back to them and was ready to take them back out on a rock tour shortly before he passed. The statement in this video is wrong, pure and simple
@barano9729. First Nuno with a "ham sandwich," and now it's Gary Moore with a "cheeseburger"? What's with you having people playing their lunch? I think it's time for you to pick a different type of comparison... because the current ones aren't working.
I’ve owned a 1987x 50 watt plexi for many years back in the 90s and I can get my dsl 40c to sound very close at low volume on lead 1. The made in Vietnams got nothing to do with it they’re great amps if you know how to dial them in. People listen with their wallets not their ears!!
Did you ever think about purchasing an attenuator I can see it’s been mentioned in the comments quite a bit also there’s a few cap changes you can make on any of these studio models. I happened on all four of them currently and honestly, I’ve enjoyed all four of them and I get as good as sounds as what you recorded there at the beginning maybe after 37 years of playing guitar and teaching lessons and a number of years of getting to the point where I could teach the lessons learning myself as learning has been a lifelong experience. I truly am blown away by your comments number one I’ve already mentioned the attenuator but number two to get on here and tell people that amplifiers are no good and that they’re going to be dissatisfied who died and made you king i’m not disagreeing with all of your opinions, but truly, why don’t you give people answers and solutions instead of problems and truly again, I would love to know what besides this TH-cam channel and a few guitar licks qualifies you to tell anybody anything you’re no man and you’re not helping anybody you’re tearing people down on channels that I listen to and the people I know listen to they want positive good information. They don’t want somebody being negative spoken and rude and that’s about all you’ve done so far and not impressed me at all. You’re the not Marshall not Friedman and if you’d ever used the jubilee with the master volume, you don’t even have to use an attenuator to get Bedroom tones with high gain sounds truly man I wonder how much you really have used these amplifiers or any of the other modern convenience is known to guitar players today or for the last 20 years power soaks have been around for much longer than that even really man truly.
Doesn’t adding a power attenuator resolve the volume issue for the SV20H? I’m thinking of the REACTIVE LOAD IR, which also allows you to wear headphones!😊 I cannot tell you how much my wife likes me playing into headphones.
The beauty of the JCM2000 series was that the sound was CONSISTANT, you could always dial in the exact sound no matter where you played and this was important if you were a recording artist trying to recreate your studio sound or just gigged a lot from 100 seat bars to concert halls.
I'm so f'ing happy that I went for the Marshall 2525H with a 2x12 cab instead of the 2525C. The funny thing is that I originally ordered the 2525C last year but it was back ordered for about 6 months. I finally decided to hell with it and spent the xtra grand to get the head and the cab and just like the video describes, it has more body. NO REGRETS!
I'd say that even the great jcm800 line combos didn't sound the same as a suitable stack. They're still great amps but to get the goods you need a good cabinet. I've had a couple and they're convenient but not ideal for performance or recording.
As a perennial bedroom/basement guitarist, this is an excellent guide. I have a couple 5 watt tube amps and they are all way too loud to crank and play at home without pissing off the fam. Alternatively, you can get an attenuator, but I've found that most attenuators do roll off some high end.
@@joeyjooones Totally agree. I've never used the fancier ones, but the ones I've tried definitely blanket the tone. Ox Box and the Boss Katana TAE may be better.
Just don't buy it new, it simply isn't worth what they charge in the US. You can get a plexi clone with a built in master volume for about the same price from Ceriatone.
The SV20 does exactly what its supposed to do. It is a plexi and behaves like a plexi, and it does so, at a much lower volume than the 50w and 100w plexis. It's still very loud but much more managable.
A 5 watt amp is usually too loud for home use. Especially, Marshall. The closest thing is the Marshall 1974x, but louder than you think. Best home/practice Marshall amp? SL5 "Slash" of Guns n Roses, 1x12 combo. It has a 1 watt setting, and for a combo, has a closed back and a 12" speaker. So, it gets the Marshall tone pretty well at reasonable volume levels. Better than any other small combo. Yes, it was limited edition with only about 1,000 sold in the USA. And, they are getting hard to find, and the prices are climbing. But, it's perfect for home and even small gigs.
Just got the Origin 50 for the studio. Hope to get a decent tone without going down to the Origin 20. I'll probably buy both cause the 20 fits better on a 2x12 cab!
I had the Origin 20, just make sure to use both, power and preamp gain, preamp gain alone gets too compressed too quickly. Try setting the gain at 3, 4 max, then move onto the master and turn it up until you start hearing it overdrive (you will probably need to use the power cut or will be way too loud for most use cases), after you get a slight overdrive on the master volume, move onto the drive and adjust if up slowly to get the amount of compression you want. You will VERY likely have the treble at 0 and use the presence as you high control btw, those amps are really harsh otherwise.
Hey Joey! Really cool channel, love your playing. I am myself addicted to Telecaster as well. I’m considering getting a 20w Marshall origin head. Have you any thought on this one? Keep on rocking!
@@joeyjooones thanks for answering Joey, if by any chance you have the opportunity to play it the “proper way”, let me know :) I so much hate testing gear in a store for many reasons… but I might have to do it again
For the first Marshall - the SV20 - just buy a JHS drive Angry Charlie, JHS AT+, Friedman OD type pedal and put it into the "bass channel" - set the amp clean on 1-2 on the volume and you will have a very very very good Marshall sound. Juicy, liquiddy everything you would want.
I've been trying the new fenders,ive had all the old ones super reverb Bassman twins, but that was 30 years ago the new ones sound and feel crap,so I got a peavy bandit for £45. its ok I'm now looking at hand wired Marshalls ,thanks for video, hay ,your playing that guitar the wrong way round,[or does it sound better than way] what do you think of the 18 w. combo,
If Marshall had added usable power scaling or Captor X like circuitry to SV20h, it would be a stellar amp. At the moment it's still good IF you have an attenuator.
Attenuators are made for a reason. You can push the amp to full volume to get the power section up to where it needs to be to get that classic plexi "or whatever" tone from the amp, without shattering the windows or landing in the dawg house.
Honestly, the DSL 20 Head is good sounding head. It takes pedals very well, I've run a lot of classic vintage Boss and higher end boutique pedals through the Classic Gain Channel, and I can get a solid JCM800/Silver Jubilee tone. However, the Ultra Gain Channel is very compressed sounding and is only suitable for modern rock/metal. Take a look at Ola Englund's review, the amp has some serious low end on the Ultra gain. But it will depend on your cabinet. I've run the DSL 20H through a large full sized cab, 2x12 and a 1x12 PRS MT15; I get great tones out the head with both passive and active pickups.
You don’t have to “dime” the SV20. I do normal on about 6 and bright at about 7 for great AC/DC type tone. And I play it at home with a Weber Mass knocking off a couple db but still pretty loud. Definitely too loud for an apartment, but in that case just turn the Weber Mass down.
I bought the SV20h and cab and its true its incredibly loud for 20 Watts. I also got me, or better my wife :-) a Tone King mini attenuator (max.30W and the only attenuator that i know of beside Freyettes that doesn't impact the sound) and its glorious. Lower the Volume on you guitar knob and it beautifully cleans up without losing much of loudness or sounding thin. If you want to get into heavier territory hit it with an OD-3 (Vol max, Drive at 1-2) and you get that juicy hard rock Marshall sound. I don't know if i will keep it forever, because I'm more a Fender Blackface guy but I'm having a hell lot of fun with that thing right now. I've also spent tons of money on modelers, plugins and profilers and was always disappointed but also always wanted to have a real Plexi. However, its out of the question, it just doesn't make any sense to me to own something more powerful than 30 Watt these days and that SV20 thing comes darn close imo.
I recently tried using volume pedal in effects loop of SV20 and I gotta say, I think the "magic of the tone is overdriving the power stage" is a myth. The crunch still sounds killer at the low range of the volume pedal with the volume on amp around 6. Tone of the gain seems quite similar to when I floor volume pedal.
I’m a Marshall guy. Had all the boutique stuff and for my original nothing beats the TCL100. But for home rig I wanted to set up a versatile board, bought a Studio 20 hand wired “plexi” style combo. Thought maybe I got a dud, it’s so harsh and sounds like the speaker is cracking when cranked. BTW an amp attenuator solves the “load” so don’t let that scare you for buying an amp that needs to cool. Just soak the power and I think it gives a little more brown, akin to classic channel strip.
I just have a simple Marshall mg100hcfx head and i swear it's so much better than people give it credit for. I've had it next to expensive amps and i still just love it.
When i was in the Market for a Marshall 10 years ago, i tried the DSLs and quite frankly, i was disappointed in them. I eventually bought a JVM205 used and i still have it today.
The DSL HR line is pretty damn good ... Like your opinion of the Silver Jubilee, I think the new DSL line is a great amp line .... I have let two Friedman amps go because the DSL 's can do what the Friedman can do and more but the Friedman couldn't keep up with the Marshall... Is that statement gonna catch people wrong? I'm sure it will
Joey, not to be a pest, but I am looking for pointers on how you do your vibrato. Your vibrato is among the best, I would like to learn from you. Do you have any videos about how to get your vibrato? THANKS!
the jtm 20 is great for home use, comes stock with the creamback m 65 speaker very soft and mellow if you want more gain the friedman little sister is great.
Hi! I must absolutely disagree with you about the SV20H because: 1. when you buy any plexi style non master volume amp you must buy a power attenuator anyway to play it at home. So saying the SV20H is too loud makes no sense at all. 2. If there is a reason to not buy an SV20H then it’s because it’s not loud enough or better: it lacks dynamics because it’s only 20 watts. And the effects loop works like a charm btw… At the other hand I completely agree with you about the new DSL series: They just sound awful. I would honestly recommend buying a 100W Plexi or any 2203 master volume amp and use it with an attenuator at home. That works perfectly and opens the gates to Marshall heaven. 🎇
Hey Marc, The SV20 is too loud as any other Plexi, so far so true. However the small enclosure and 5 watt mode suggest it’s usable for home use - and a lot of people fall for that trap, as you can see from my examples in the video. And yes I do agree - if you need an attenuator regardless, get the real deal and enjoy the sparkling cleans and high headroom crunch sounds you just don’t get from the SV20. 😉
telling ppl not to buy a tube amp based on the volume is like telling ppl the sky is blue... no tube amps are made for bedroom volume level, if you have money to get a great tube amp for your bedroom you're prob buying an attenuator or a loadbox as well unless you're an idiot.
I have a few early 80’s Marshall heads. My JCM800 has a scratchy volume knob I just never got around to fixing. Well if you have one of those amps (or maybe it’s just mine) the first couple volume notches and tolerable to the ear, but sound totally weak and lifeless. Then all of a sudden another millimeter and your ear drums blow out and your chest just fills with that pure adrenaline. Everyone wants the tone, but don’t want to admit it’s too loud for them to achieve it. One “other” method, which isn’t as good, is get a good wireless system and put your cab in another room. Or maybe your neighbors yard 😂
I’ve just gone back to using my 2555SL head and 4x12BV after a couple of years trying to gig with a 2525C. I just couldn’t get a great sound out of it, compared to what I was used to anyway. I had comments from the audience too, that my sound wasn’t as good as it used to be and so that’s what broke the camels back in the end. I’ll still use the combo at rehearsal now and again for easiness but I’m done with it for gigs. Regarding paring it up with the right cabinet, you’re spot on and I can definitely tell the difference between running my 2555SL through a bottom BV, which sounds superb, compared to an angled AV with doesn’t sound as good. I guess my back will just have to suffer. 😂 Great video though!
I’ve been on the fence about getting an 2555SL. I know they’re the same as Jubs with a little more gain so it’s not really necessary, but for some reason I‘m gravitating towards that amp. 😍
You should never buy an amp or decide not to buy an amp because somebody else told you you to buy it or not buy it . The wrong tool for one guy could be the perfect tool for another and vice Versa
Need to check it out. I have yet to find a plugin that can actually replicate an amp. And I'm a Kemper player, so, generally open to these kinds of things.
@@joeyjooones The Overloud TH-U has some sort of built-in Kemper player (Rig Player) and they offer a lot of original Kemper amp models converted to this system. ToneX does something similar, but in my opinion mostly rather on amateur level.
My 2525C at first didn't sound good because of the stock speaker, a Celestion G12M Greenback. I love Greenbacks but not in this amp, unless its a 4x12. Many years ago I bought a pair of 1987 Marshall branded Celestion G12 Vintage, THE original Silver Jubilee speakers. I popped one into my Mini SJ and guesss what? It sounds like the real thing! Also, I use Fryette Power Stations for all my attenuation/boosting up, post-power-amp effects loop, impedance matching and other needs. I can play that little amp anywhere, from bedroom to arena. No problem there. 😎
I would say to avoid the original jcm 2000, it has history of bias issue causing redplating due to the PCB becoming conductive over time. Sooner or later you have to replace the main board requiring more expensive repair
I have an early jcm 2000 it'was my road dog never let me down it was serviced every 3 months I'm retired now but it still is on of my favorite marshalls from my collection from plxi 1968 50w to 900 800 etc it still has all the original caps I guess I got a good one !!
Bro, there's smth that was invented a little while ago it's called ATTENUATOR, there's also smth called LOADBOX.. there's multiple ways of cranking your Marshall up without going deaf.... I have the SV20 and it's prob the best amp in my collection, pls stop passing on misinformation, the SV20 is prob the best sounding 20w amp that Marshall has put out, and also the effects loop is great.
I have a DSL5CR which I put a G10 Greenback in and it sounds great for classic rock. Effects loop is handy, reverb isn't terrible, and it's just a great all-round practice amp
I totally agree with the 20 Watt Plexi in terms of loudness. But I think it isn't designed for "Playing an Plexi at Bedroomlevels cranked", but for "You play smaller stages and can't Crank an 50 or 100 Watt Plexi? Than go for our 20 watts...!". For me, it is a typically case of "Buyers who doesn't inform themselves about what they buy, until they have bought it." By the way, that's why you always should try musical stuff, before buying it! About the silver Jubilee, I couldn't tell anything... But what I'm totally disagree is the DSL Thing. The new DSL's (CR/HR) are incredible Amps - especially, but not only in terms of the Price! As I tried my Hagström Fantomen in an Guitarshop here in Germany, I tried it with some Amps - also with an DSL1cr and DSL5cr. I was like "hell yeah, that small Amps are rocking like hell!" I mean, you have Marshall-Tube-Sounds in a small package for a price, that's hilarious, so I was thinking about to buy one. A few Weeks later, a Guitar-Student of mine got his DSL20HR and brought it to our session...damn, what an awesome Amp! But I still wanted the DSL 1 or 5 cr...until...I was in another Guitarstore and asked for playing the DSL5cr. They told me, that they will pick it up for me but until it's unboxed and so on, I can try the DSL40CR. I was there with a good friend of mine and hoooooly freakin cow, that thing rocked and gave me a big, fat smile for every tone I played. So it was sure, I'll buy one of them! Regular, I'm playing an Hughes&Kettner Statesman Dual EL34 on a Marshall JCM900 1960 Lead (4x12 G12-T75, made in 1994 for in England). I'm absolutely loving that Setup, but it's heavy and it's too loud for many smaller gigs, because it sounds great with Master on 4/10 or better higher (best from 5.5 and up), but than it gets incredible Loud. I also have an E-Wave DG5-H, that's called a "small JCM800" from many people, also the Epiphone Valve Junior, Fame VS5012 (also Known as Randall RG50C I think) and some other Amps with All-Valve, Hybrid, Solid State and Modeling technologies, so I'm not an "I have to buy an Marshall, just because, but didn't know how to use it". I don't like to play with (many) pedals on stage, so I always just use an Wah and an Tuner, that's it...just because I love the real Tube-Sound and yeah, maybe I am too saturated by all my pedals (was sponsored by an Pedal-Company a few years and have something around 30 - 40 Pedals, I think). So the DSL40CR gave me exactly what I wanted... an transportable, awesome Sounding Amp, that can Handle everything I want - from warm Cleans to High-Gain Metal Sounds, without the need of anything, than the Amp himself. Usable on low Volumes (and also usable in Silent Mode, but don't need this really...) and perfect for Noodling around in my Studio, but also Gigging with it. So yeah, the DSL40cr (and also the other DSL CR/HR's from the actual series) are awesome amps for an absolutely fair price. They Look like a Marshall and they also sound like a Marshall, but with modern features for a lower price because of the "Made in Vietnam" batch at the Back. The only two negative things on that Amp are: They only come with the 2x Footswitch, so you should better buy the 6x for like 100 bucks and the OD2 sounds a little Muddy when turning the Gain much more than 12 o'clock...but if you know how to use (Playing in the OD1/Green on 3/4 gain, only using red for thickening Solo sounds in Combination with an little higher power Master 2) it's an incredible versatile Amplifier! Did you played them before or just talked about what you heard in the internet about them? But anyways, great Video and informative also! :)
i run a captor x as a power soak, and this on top of a plexi would create a very usable amp. however, the general build quality of these 20W marshall are ordinary.
Actually the Studio amps are good, even watched a show were Dave Friedman said they are good amps. And I play one at home, just like hotrods are loud, any non master volume amp and some master volume amps are loud. Do what other people do, buy some sort attenuator . Use a boost pedal to hit the amp and push it into drive some, etc. I play mine at home without a attenuator now and low volume and it sounds good.
I have Slash Jubilee 2555SL, JCM800 2203 and 2525H. 2525H is amazing amp even though I have two 100W amps and one of them is 2555SL. 2525H with master volume on 5-6 have big ball into 4x12 1960BX with Greenbacks.
It's true that even on 5 watt mode, the Studio 20 head series is too loud on it's own to use without an attenuator. Even the JTM, which I have. Though, at least with the JTM it's a beautiful clean(ish) tone, which makes the effects loop worthwhile. And on the 5 watt mode you don't have to crank it that much for a for a warm drive to quickly creep in. If you want to keep it clean at higher volumes, you have to start reigning in the bass, or it blows out (though not in an unpleasant way). And unlike the Plexi, it's doesn't sound harsh, even at very loud volume. But, definitely had to go out and buy a Torpedo Captor 16 to use with it. So worth factoring that into purchase cost. The JTM cab is very nice, really well made, good decently big cab, nicely made and very good sounding Creamback speaker that suits the amp. With my Strat, and a Pedal Pawn fuzz, the ST20H and JTM cab sound great ... albeit with a Captor when using it at home.
A friend of mine has a DSL40 and it's a great amp. It's hard to beat for the price. It is a lot of amp. Highly recommended if you're looking for a 112 tube combo amp and you're leaning in the Marshall direction.
I haven't had any issues with the fx loop on my sv20 just running time based FX etc. Trust me, despiste my love of the amp, there are ia few issues I have with it... But there are times when everything melds and I'm grateful (no surprise there) that I have it. There is a chance that the fact I have a '79 jmp 50W to turn to when I choose, I'm less critical. I do really love its cleans and light dirt. But I believe it's a very useful amp and I'm glad I have it.
I have played numerous Marshalls, the JMP2203, Lead 12, JCM800 2205 and the amp that sounds the best is in fact the DSL1 combo into my Peavey 412M with stock Celestion V30s :) Yes, at 10 watts it actually does the business, and it does all the others - like a DSL does!
I tend to agree…Jim Marshall listened to musicians in the late 60’s and early 70’s demanding more volume and crunch, and he delivered. The problem is, time marches on, and today’s musician is not that enamored with these loud monsters. Re: Marshall amps…I myself would not buy any Marshall ‘G’ series, they are truly one dimensional. Their tube amps sound best…but are heavy monsters to lug around!
Joey, this is a great video. Totally agree with you. I have 3 JCM 2000's, 2 1999's and 1 2002. I mod them and they sound absolutely amazing and I've never had any problems with them. And to my ears they sound way better then the new Vietnam built DSL's.
I have a DSL 100 HR head and it sounds fantastic. Keeps up with my EVH Stealth and Mesa recto all day. Not to mention it's less than half the price of the other two heads I own. I would go as far to say that amp has the best bang for your buck among all tube heads.
I've had the pleasure of owning of these Marshall amps: the DSL1HR, Origin20H, Origin20H (modded to JCM800 style), SV20H, and 2525H. The 2525H is the one that I kept and here's my thoughts: If you're looking to play the SV20 at bedroom volumes through a guitar cabinet, consider grabbing yourself an attenuator. You can find some for as low as 70 euros, or you could invest in a more premium option like the Rivera Rockcrusher, Toneking Iron Man, or Fryette Powerstation. Alternatively, if you're okay with playing through studio monitors, the Two Notes Captor could be a solid option for around 250 euros. The Captor X might be a good upgrade because it has more attenuation levels, but it might not have enough attenuation to tame the SV20 to bedroom volumes. For pristine effects, consider adding them in your DAW using plugins. However, it's worth noting that having effects in front of the amp played a crucial role in creating those legendary tones of the early Marshall players. For example in achieving a tone simmilar to EVH's , using an Echoplex, Script Phase 90 and MXR Flanger in front of the amp could have a more significant impact than using the exact same amp he had. Personally, I own the 2525H along with a matching JVM 212C. I can attest that the Jubilee can be quite picky when it comes to speaker choice. It didn't sound great with the stock G12 Heritage speaker; in fact, that combo brought out the worst in the Jubilee. However, after switching to a Vintage 30 and a G12M-65 Creamback speaker combination, it sounds perfect. I've also experimented with a lot of IRs, but I keep coming back to this speaker setup. As for the DSL1HR, I ended up parting ways with it because the clean channel lacked serious headroom, which was a deal-breaker for me after selling my Fender amp. In general, I'd recommend skipping the DSL and Origin series and opting for one of the classics instead.
I'm running mine into a Two Notes Torpedo, that's -20dB.. still too loud :') I use it as a full on load box, run into my HX Stomp, and then to a solid state power amp (similar to Seymour Duncan Powerstage) that pushes a 2x12 V30 cab - now THAT's great. No idea why they gave the combos 10 inch speakers.. they are waaaay too mid focused. Also added a rotary switch to choose input cap value, can only recommend! Cheap, simple, awesome mod.
Can't agree with your opinion on the 2525c. I use this amp for about 4-5 years on various and very different stages and at home. For me it's the swiss knife of the gigging musician. Very consistent sound, robust construction, carries very well pedals, good cleans for a Marshall...I love it. I think that the concept with these amps is to be versatile on use. Of course it's not the pro level sound for the big stage and it's not fair to be compared with it's big brothers. Its just the amp that can do the job on almost every situation for the average gigging musician. With good mics and PA almost everything is possible. Personal opinion
i just bought 2525C and i think it sound decent. i also have bogner 20th anniversary with 4x12 and here the sound is much richer. marshall combo cost me 800 $ refurbished, and bogner with cab was 7000 $. marshall sounds really good to my opinion. and its worth to buy. with bigger cab it will sound better.
I bought my Marshall brand new in 1980 and still have it , to never broken down just a great amp, it was one of the last 2204 ‘S left before they were introducing the JCM 800 👈🏼 (crap amp ) the 800 is not the same as a 2204 most people think they are they are not ! The circuitry is different and the only reason it says 2204 on the back of the 800 is that they share the same chassis that it - the only reason - anyway I hate to trash another amp combo or head but I’m so sick of 800 Owners saying or calling their 800 a 2204 it’s not even close. The 2203 and 2204 have great tone and nice mids the clean channel handles blues so well it’s amazing.
I have a SV20H on a 2x12 and it’s perfect for home use if you use an attentuator. Which I don’t have. But I also have neighbours who don’t care. So yeah…I disagree the Sv20 isn’t a home amp. It’s a great home amp! 👍
Your video is very nice but I think you're wrong about the dsl amps. I have the dsl1 combo at home and the sound is great. I can play cleans rock and metal easily and the sound is good for a tiny combo. I also tried the dsl20 head and it was absolutly insane. But I respect your opinion.
Dude i got a sv20h, its 800€ in Europe. And you need an attenuator of course... torpedo captor 8 is enough. Sounds amazing at home xD another thing, you need a greenback with it or a cream, the v30 has too much high end.
I have two SV20HR amps that I use for home, one in the TV room and another in my garage. I put a 100K potentiometer in an old metal sardine can, put this in the effects loop and now my SV20HR amps have a master volume, and for about $6. They are perfect for home and bedroom use. Your opinions are are silly.
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I just bought a DSL40CR and I’m shocked by how great this amp sounds. I’m completely satisfied.
I have had a DSl 40CR since mid 2019 and I love it . 5 years and zero issues or complaints other than not liking the stock V type speaker which didn't matter because I bought specifically to run though extension cabs because it's doesn't come as a head but eventually I heard the DSL 40C which had a creamback M65 in it and was blown away so I ordered one and put it in my 40CR and was extremely impressed with how much bettet it sounded . I don't normally like open back combos on their own but with the Creamback M I actually use the combo on its own quite frequently. I still prefer it with a closed back 1 by 12 or 2 by 12 but using the 40CR on its own for a different flavor is a nice option to have.
The classic Gain Channel cranked in crunch mode does a very usable classic Marhsall open back combo tone
sound went kaput in my beat around dsl 40. sucks. It was ok when it worked.
@@before120 ..best technical explanation ever, in perfect English. You should be awarded a Shakespearian gold metal, for that fine work of literature...puttz.
I bought a dsl20hr and am running it through a Hughes and kettner cab with a vintage 30 (which everyone says sounds like crap) I love it. The speaker definitely had to break in first but now I'm getting some killer tones out of it.
Quick question. I just bought a DSL40CR, and while the channel buttons and master volume buttons give a bit of resistance and have a 'click' when you push them in, the FX loop button does not. The button works, but there's no resistance or click when you push it.
Does your amp do this? 🤔@@adamwatson6916
Actually you can get the power amp to push on a plexi, get an attenuator
it will shorten tube life
@GuitarsAndSynths So does cranking it normally, but if you have a NMV Marshall, your options are crank it, or deal with a dull/thin clean tone.
@@GuitarsAndSynths WELL THEN GET U A METALZ0NE WITH A SHITTY S0LIDSTATE C0MB0...KIDDING, GET U A MARSHALL DSL1 HEAD!
@@GuitarsAndSynths so???
That works. I've done that for years and it was good. I eventually had a mv installed which seems to work just as well.
The new DSL’s are FAR BETTER MADE than the JCM2000’s. I’m an amp tech. The JCM2000’s were one of the worst Marshalls ever made. A nightmare to service, run away bias drift issues due to crap circuit boards. The new DSL’s are VERY well made for the price point and a dream to service. They’re the most serviceable amps Marshall has made since the JCM800’s.
Ya terrible amp design. The jcm 2000 dsl designer fell short for sure tone wise. Good amp though, gets the job done when that’s all you got.
I fixed my bias drift, and my 2000 is my go to for studio tracking.
They sound great. Despite their ‘issues’, they continue to be the primary backline amp at rock shows. Ask Nuno.
@@ajlsrv5490 Nuno could plug into a ham sandwich and it would sound amazing.
@@barano9729 I don’t know about that, but I do know he could play any amp in the world and chooses a JCM2000. He is not unique in that regard either.
I own a marshall dsl20hr tube head and personally i can tell you that its one of the best amps ive ever tried it gives great tones for many styles especially if youre a more metal guitar player its a GREAT AMP that can give great tones for various types of metal genres all in all its a great budget amp that can rival some of the more famous amps.
I have the same one. It sounds incredible on the Classic Gain Channel wit Boss SD-1, SD-2 and OD-2 (Turbo). Only other amp I'd like yet is the 2525H, but DSL20H I will never part with.
people bash Marshall amps and buy Marshall Clones i find that hilarious
Yes. Friedman all the way baby
@@ibrajimenez2098 because Friedman fixed the issues on Marshall amps and made in USA and more player friendly studio features.
Well, yeah. Thats generally what will happen when a company sells out to crappy new owners who cut corners and worsen products... Would-be customers will look to other companies who can still make high quality version of the products they want.
Only boomers would make a brand their personality to the point that they'll blindly stick with them after a buyout by crappy new owners, which produces inferior products from a team that Includes none of the talent or expertise that had nothing to do with the product he enjoyed in the first place. It's just dumb.
Marshall is now owned by a headphone company, and the staff running it now came from sports clothing and footwear compoanies. no joke. They've repeatedly shown that the know nothing about guitars, and the old marshall design and tech team are looong gone since the buyout.
Marshalls after from the last few years are mostly cheap chinese made crap, and are becoming prone to dveloping faults, because they're just not well made. Why else do you think they're losing their endorsees? After 40 years of endorsements, Slash jumped ship to magnatone. SLASH FFS...
Jim Marshall will be spinning in his grave.
Nothing wrong with Chinese made. Most stuff is made in China and is absolute quality. Wang amplifiers for instance. The bill of
Materials and cutting corners is the main issue.
@@MadJackChurchill1312 I strongly disagree that most stuff made in China is great quality. Chinese made stuff CAN be high quality, but the vast majority of it isn't.
Most western companies don't make stuff there because the high quality of manufacturing. They make stuff there specifically for the purpose of cutting corners, prioritising speed, and building on a 'cost over quality' basis.
Gear manufactured in the US UK and EU for example have higher material and labour costs associated, and companies know that quality standards have to be higher to justify the higher price to the consumer.
While that's not a hard and fast rule, it is the case way more often than it isn't.
When they asked Bonamassa about using dsl2000's he said he used them because the sound was just as good as his vintage Marshalls.......but what does he know.
Yep! I‘d love to have one right next to my jubilee and see how close they can get!
just pentatonic scales mostly
@@CFBPO 😆
I think home/bedroom players who love tube amps and are in the know, have an attenuator. The whole “too loud for home use” thing is really not a thing once you get one. Which again, tube lovers already probably have. I love the studio line from Marshall. I own all 4 and keep the power tubes saturated and the volume down. Life’s good.
Exactly. Any home player with even the most basic tube amp knowledge base is either going to buy an attenuator or they will buy a tube amp more suitable for home use .
If you buy an NMV single channel vintage/plexi type amp you will get an attenuator or you will buy a dual channel Lower wattage master volume amp .
I have no issues using my DSL 40 CR at home without an attenuator. Between the master volumes and the lower wattage settings i have no issues and the tone is great although I do plan on getting an attenuator soon because i want to add a Marshall 1987 to the lineup .
@@RobStrings I use a jvm 1c at home and it's mental.
Attenuators work well and so do master volumes. I have four different 100W Marshall heads and a twin and have never had a problem. I'm in tone heaven.
The problem is that anybody can post and opine about anything
The good thing is that you don't have to agree with them. "Tone" is a subjective thing. ✌️🇦🇺
That actually not a problem if you don't offend anyone and no one needs to agree. It's just your personal opinion maaan! 😄
Yep i call them Amp Trolls
he's got a point though, especially with the sv20h...
@@castleanthrax1833 no, he's right a Marshall needs to be turned up to get that tone, There's nothing subjective about this , this is proven fact. all those great jams using Marshall weren't played @1 on the volume scale, All those great Hendrix tunes in which he used a Marshall would have been crap at low volume. sorry.
Marshalls were not meant to be played at bedroom levels to begin with, gerting a marshall to play at home you have to buy a good attenuator, that is the price you have to pay to get a plexi sounds at bedroom levels, the new 20w amps says it all in the name "studio" vintage.
my sv20 sounds glorious at home with my rivera rock crusher attenuator, i dont feel the need to own another amp.
That may be true for vintage Marshall's but there are modern Marshall's that sound great for bedroom playing . Anything 50 watts or Lower can sound great at home if they have a decent master volume.
The DSls also have power scaling so they can work for bedroom playing.
I use a DSL 40CR ran through a 2 by 12 in my bedroom/living room/Kitchen and can get very nice saturated tones .
The right tool for the right job used in the right way can solve almost all these issues
This guy is shitting out of his mouth, the SV20 is Marshall's best 20w amp.
@@ocelotl23 they should remake those 1w anniversary amps they did … even they were loud for home use, but sounded so good!
EXACTLY!!!!
Your opinion is certainly that, of course. I have a DSL40CR that I like a lot. The Psionic Audio channel rated it over Fenders because of the build quality, with fewer if any planned obsolescence components like resistors up against the PCB. I typically use pedals into the clean channel and it does great.
It does get annoying when channels slam some of a manufacturer's budget line. I'm not a pro but I have been playing for a long long time, and when I started playing most copy guitars didn't have brand names because they were trash. However, it was all I could afford. Now cheap gear has gotten a lot better, to where even Mike Rutherford plays a Squier and Brian Aubert prefers Epiphone. A lot of this starts to sound like gatekeeping.
Also, if you have a bio page listing recorded output, or tours played, I'd love to see it.
You lost everyone at the DSL comment. Just stop.
Bingo. I just played a DSL at the music store the other day when I was shopping for something else. Now I'm strongly considering buying one. It sounded great and the price tag didn't make my blood pressure skyrocket.
Yeah, trying to diss the DSL lines is pure snobbery. I have a Marshall Vintage Modern 2266C and a Ceriatone JTM45 clone, both damn good amps and I love the sounds I can get from them. However, my V1 tube swapped DSL15 arguably has more tonal variety, and it’s smaller and quieter, so it gets played the most. They aren’t perfect and they aren’t the best sounding amps Marshall ever put out, but they’re very good at what they do, and especially for the price.
@@ParanormalArson I HAVE A DSL1 TUBE HEAD WITH MARSHALL 1X10 ZAKKWYLDE CABS AND CHANGED JUNK SPEAKERS T0 GREENBACK 10 AND CELESTI0N VINTAGE10. ITS KILLER LIL MINISTACK! I
DSL15 combo owner here....the stock speaker is a bit sucky/thin, I have mine running into an external 15" HH speaker (from the 70s)...it's killer.
@@watersnortmoment3734The best Marshall in my opinion, for those who love the old-school JTM 45 type of circuit, is the Origin 20
It does the job very well and it works absolutely perfect with your favorite OD pedal. I recommend the Friedman Smallbox OD to run with the Origin......they become one, and it is absolutely 💯% awesome !
I have the jvm 410h. Yes it's expensive and way more wattage than I'll ever need, but the master volume allows me to get bedroom volume and the sound is what we all dream off. I have a class 5 for sale
JVM is an all time great Marshall.
Expensive? I bought mine for $1700 in 2012.
Yeah! I have the JVM 410c and with its master volume it sounds really great at bedroom levels
@@abbagil $1700 in 2012 money was fairly expensive.
Same! I love my JVM 410H. I run it into a “mini full stack” 1936 Vintage (top) and 1936 Lead (bottom). I have a lot of modern and vintage amps, and the Marshall is still my go to.
The problem as you mention with Marshall amps is that they were meant for playing large venues like stadiums cranked at max volume to sound decent.
We have attenuators these days. I can dial in a tone and play for hours with headphones on.
I use the sv20 with a rock crusher attenuator and it’s amazing.
Same here, sounds fantastic
Are the attenuators hard on the amp?
@MrTelekes The attenuator acts as a load box/wattage sucking speaker (not very technical terms, but you get the point), it doesn’t really effect anything inside the amp, only the signal going out of the amp. The only thing that’s at risk would be the tubes, since you can push their output beyond what you’d normally get away with. Basically, the damage is coming from turning the amp up, the same damage would happen at the same settings otherwise. The attenuator itself isn’t causing any damage.
Summary: The attenuator itself causes no damage, it’s the fact that you’re turning up the amp, thus increasing the load for the tubes to handle.
Just wondering how many of the problems you describe would be cured with a power attenuator?
All of them.
@@OneHandleToHandleThemAll depends if you buy a cheap one it may sound tinny and boxy, but a nice one will sound great
Cant say I've ever heard a guitar player say " oh no my amps to loud." It just dont happen.
Probably the single most common complaint. Doesn't breathe till it's cooking. Not everyone has the ability to make 125db
Especially 5 watts..ha.What a joke.Go to a Ted Nugent gig.4 100 watt Fender Dual Showmen at full blast.Those were the days.Complaining about 5 watts being to loud.Don't be silly!
This 1 goes to 11 is what we want
I honestly think the newest dsl100h and the dsl20hr are the best sounding amps Marshall has made in a long while. And the quality is pretty good for the price.
So I pretty harshly disagree with you on that one.
The original Jubilees do sound great tho.
And yet numpties are dumping thousands on amps that sound worse.
I have a 1985 jcm800 50w non master with a 4x12 …and I gig it all the time ! After playing that you just can’t get used to other small amps …helps that I mostly play punk music
Totally agree. Especially if you have a good sounding 800, what else do you really need 🙃
Hey man, fellow punk musician here. Is there a cheaper Marshall amp that will get me that jcm tone or do you know of any jcm clones that will? Would love to have a jcm but it’s pretty pricey. Was thinking about the dsl 20
With the JCM 2000's, I think it's now become like a product recall. To summarise, if yours has the ISS45 board, it may be prone to bias drift etc. Marshall produced a new board, The ISS20. Seems like a faff, but they're great sounding amps.
DSL Series 100 watts are used by Gary Holt when he plays with Slayer. So yeah some big names do use them
dont know anyone that iused the JCM 2000 DSL??? there was this guy from Ireland...Gary Moore..he was pretty good on the guitar, well he used them a LOT. Ohhh..and that Jeff Beck guy..he was pretty good.
Research is your friend.
Currently Nuno's amp of choice too.
Really? Good to know!
If you could get Marshall JCM 2000 dsl for free like Gary did you’d use them too. Gary was an amazing player he could plug into a cheeseburger and it was sound incredible. As for Nuno, seems like he’s on a budget, an amazing player nevertheless. Love both of them.
@@barano9729 Eh? on a budget you don't think any amp company would jump at a chance to have Nuno play their stuff?? as for Gary, he could have used ANYTHING Marshall made (as could Jeff), he picked the DSL, in fact after he tried Soldano for a brief time, he went back to them and was ready to take them back out on a rock tour shortly before he passed. The statement in this video is wrong, pure and simple
@barano9729. First Nuno with a "ham sandwich," and now it's Gary Moore with a "cheeseburger"?
What's with you having people playing their lunch?
I think it's time for you to pick a different type of comparison... because the current ones aren't working.
I’ve owned a 1987x 50 watt plexi for many years back in the 90s and I can get my dsl 40c to sound very close at low volume on lead 1. The made in Vietnams got nothing to do with it they’re great amps if you know how to dial them in. People listen with their wallets not their ears!!
Only an idiot pays thousands of dollars more for a made-in-the-UK sticker. I'm buying the DSL100HR because it's fantastic...
Did you ever think about purchasing an attenuator I can see it’s been mentioned in the comments quite a bit also there’s a few cap changes you can make on any of these studio models. I happened on all four of them currently and honestly, I’ve enjoyed all four of them and I get as good as sounds as what you recorded there at the beginning maybe after 37 years of playing guitar and teaching lessons and a number of years of getting to the point where I could teach the lessons learning myself as learning has been a lifelong experience. I truly am blown away by your comments number one I’ve already mentioned the attenuator but number two to get on here and tell people that amplifiers are no good and that they’re going to be dissatisfied who died and made you king i’m not disagreeing with all of your opinions, but truly, why don’t you give people answers and solutions instead of problems and truly again, I would love to know what besides this TH-cam channel and a few guitar licks qualifies you to tell anybody anything you’re no man and you’re not helping anybody you’re tearing people down on channels that I listen to and the people I know listen to they want positive good information. They don’t want somebody being negative spoken and rude and that’s about all you’ve done so far and not impressed me at all. You’re the not Marshall not Friedman and if you’d ever used the jubilee with the master volume, you don’t even have to use an attenuator to get Bedroom tones with high gain sounds truly man I wonder how much you really have used these amplifiers or any of the other modern convenience is known to guitar players today or for the last 20 years power soaks have been around for much longer than that even really man truly.
Love the wah tone… what’s the pedal?
JCM 2000’s are secret gems, great video awesome playing!
Doesn’t adding a power attenuator resolve the volume issue for the SV20H? I’m thinking of the REACTIVE LOAD IR, which also allows you to wear headphones!😊 I cannot tell you how much my wife likes me playing into headphones.
The beauty of the JCM2000 series was that the sound was CONSISTANT, you could always dial in the exact sound no matter where you played and this was important if you were a recording artist trying to recreate your studio sound or just gigged a lot from 100 seat bars to concert halls.
If it wasn’t catching on fire from run away bias due to their faulty PCB’s
I'm so f'ing happy that I went for the Marshall 2525H with a 2x12 cab instead of the 2525C. The funny thing is that I originally ordered the 2525C last year but it was back ordered for about 6 months. I finally decided to hell with it and spent the xtra grand to get the head and the cab and just like the video describes, it has more body. NO REGRETS!
I'd say that even the great jcm800 line combos didn't sound the same as a suitable stack. They're still great amps but to get the goods you need a good cabinet. I've had a couple and they're convenient but not ideal for performance or recording.
As a perennial bedroom/basement guitarist, this is an excellent guide. I have a couple 5 watt tube amps and they are all way too loud to crank and play at home without pissing off the fam. Alternatively, you can get an attenuator, but I've found that most attenuators do roll off some high end.
Attenuators sometimes alter the sound quite heavily.
@@joeyjooones Totally agree. I've never used the fancier ones, but the ones I've tried definitely blanket the tone. Ox Box and the Boss Katana TAE may be better.
@@joeyjooones Yep. Honestly, for quiet playing, a modeler is key. I have the UA Lion '68 and it's outstanding.
You said not to buy the sv20 because its to loud for home use. What about gigging??
Totally fine for that! Sound is good!
@@joeyjooones rite on
Just don't buy it new, it simply isn't worth what they charge in the US. You can get a plexi clone with a built in master volume for about the same price from Ceriatone.
The SV20 does exactly what its supposed to do. It is a plexi and behaves like a plexi, and it does so, at a much lower volume than the 50w and 100w plexis. It's still very loud but much more managable.
Silver Jubilee combo has speaker outs, so you can use cabs with it.
2 months ago you loved the Jubilee
A 5 watt amp is usually too loud for home use. Especially, Marshall. The closest thing is the Marshall 1974x, but louder than you think. Best home/practice Marshall amp? SL5 "Slash" of Guns n Roses, 1x12 combo. It has a 1 watt setting, and for a combo, has a closed back and a 12" speaker. So, it gets the Marshall tone pretty well at reasonable volume levels. Better than any other small combo. Yes, it was limited edition with only about 1,000 sold in the USA. And, they are getting hard to find, and the prices are climbing. But, it's perfect for home and even small gigs.
I sure as hell don't want my Marshall to sound like that opening riff. Sounded like shit.
Must be your speakers. Sounded good on a pair of studio monitors.
Yeah I thought it was a joke lol. Like an old Line 6 alien setting.
@@PressuredSpeechBand Must be,
Just got the Origin 50 for the studio. Hope to get a decent tone without going down to the Origin 20. I'll probably buy both cause the 20 fits better on a 2x12 cab!
I had the Origin 20, just make sure to use both, power and preamp gain, preamp gain alone gets too compressed too quickly.
Try setting the gain at 3, 4 max, then move onto the master and turn it up until you start hearing it overdrive (you will probably need to use the power cut or will be way too loud for most use cases), after you get a slight overdrive on the master volume, move onto the drive and adjust if up slowly to get the amount of compression you want.
You will VERY likely have the treble at 0 and use the presence as you high control btw, those amps are really harsh otherwise.
Hey Joey! Really cool channel, love your playing. I am myself addicted to Telecaster as well. I’m considering getting a 20w Marshall origin head. Have you any thought on this one? Keep on rocking!
Never played it for longer than 5 mins so I can’t really judge!
@@joeyjooones thanks for answering Joey, if by any chance you have the opportunity to play it the “proper way”, let me know :) I so much hate testing gear in a store for many reasons… but I might have to do it again
For the first Marshall - the SV20 - just buy a JHS drive Angry Charlie, JHS AT+, Friedman OD type pedal and put it into the "bass channel" - set the amp clean on 1-2 on the volume and you will have a very very very good Marshall sound. Juicy, liquiddy everything you would want.
I've been trying the new fenders,ive had all the old ones super reverb Bassman twins, but that was 30 years ago
the new ones sound and feel crap,so I got a peavy bandit for £45. its ok I'm now looking at hand wired Marshalls ,thanks for video, hay ,your playing that guitar the wrong way round,[or does it sound better than way] what do you think of the 18 w. combo,
@joeyjooones What’s your opinion on the 1987 2553 3/4 stack? And would you change to larger cabinets?
I had a Marshal JMD:1 ... 100 watt half stack - Super Amazing
If Marshall had added usable power scaling or Captor X like circuitry to SV20h, it would be a stellar amp. At the moment it's still good IF you have an attenuator.
Attenuators are made for a reason. You can push the amp to full volume to get the power section up to where it needs to be to get that classic plexi "or whatever" tone from the amp, without shattering the windows or landing in the dawg house.
Honestly, the DSL 20 Head is good sounding head. It takes pedals very well, I've run a lot of classic vintage Boss and higher end boutique pedals through the Classic Gain Channel, and I can get a solid JCM800/Silver Jubilee tone. However, the Ultra Gain Channel is very compressed sounding and is only suitable for modern rock/metal. Take a look at Ola Englund's review, the amp has some serious low end on the Ultra gain. But it will depend on your cabinet. I've run the DSL 20H through a large full sized cab, 2x12 and a 1x12 PRS MT15; I get great tones out the head with both passive and active pickups.
I have a 1998 JCM2000 DSL40 . Around 5 years after buying, the tube sockets started melting into the board and they all had to be replaced.
You don’t have to “dime” the SV20. I do normal on about 6 and bright at about 7 for great AC/DC type tone. And I play it at home with a Weber Mass knocking off a couple db but still pretty loud. Definitely too loud for an apartment, but in that case just turn the Weber Mass down.
Can you recommend the best speakers to put in a 4 x 12 or 2 x 12 to pair with a 100W silver jubilee head?
Cream backs, sound much better than vintage 30 and they are just a sweeter sounding V30
@@ChrisHariis thank you!
I bought the SV20h and cab and its true its incredibly loud for 20 Watts. I also got me, or better my wife :-) a Tone King mini attenuator (max.30W and the only attenuator that i know of beside Freyettes that doesn't impact the sound) and its glorious. Lower the Volume on you guitar knob and it beautifully cleans up without losing much of loudness or sounding thin. If you want to get into heavier territory hit it with an OD-3 (Vol max, Drive at 1-2) and you get that juicy hard rock Marshall sound. I don't know if i will keep it forever, because I'm more a Fender Blackface guy but I'm having a hell lot of fun with that thing right now. I've also spent tons of money on modelers, plugins and profilers and was always disappointed but also always wanted to have a real Plexi. However, its out of the question, it just doesn't make any sense to me to own something more powerful than 30 Watt these days and that SV20 thing comes darn close imo.
Is the UA ox box a good attenuator?
Wonder if he’s a Gibson basher too?
I recently tried using volume pedal in effects loop of SV20 and I gotta say, I think the "magic of the tone is overdriving the power stage" is a myth. The crunch still sounds killer at the low range of the volume pedal with the volume on amp around 6. Tone of the gain seems quite similar to when I floor volume pedal.
I’m a Marshall guy. Had all the boutique stuff and for my original nothing beats the TCL100. But for home rig I wanted to set up a versatile board, bought a Studio 20 hand wired “plexi” style combo. Thought maybe I got a dud, it’s so harsh and sounds like the speaker is cracking when cranked.
BTW an amp attenuator solves the “load” so don’t let that scare you for buying an amp that needs to cool. Just soak the power and I think it gives a little more brown, akin to classic channel strip.
1:27 Sorry, that's not how you're going to convince me. LOL!
I call it a fever for small amplifiers, which have a lot of problems and the sound is not as you say
It's beefy
I just have a simple Marshall mg100hcfx head and i swear it's so much better than people give it credit for. I've had it next to expensive amps and i still just love it.
When i was in the Market for a Marshall 10 years ago, i tried the DSLs and quite frankly, i was disappointed in them. I eventually bought a JVM205 used and i still have it today.
The DSL HR line is pretty damn good ... Like your opinion of the Silver Jubilee, I think the new DSL line is a great amp line .... I have let two Friedman amps go because the DSL 's can do what the Friedman can do and more but the Friedman couldn't keep up with the Marshall... Is that statement gonna catch people wrong? I'm sure it will
Joey, not to be a pest, but I am looking for pointers on how you do your vibrato. Your vibrato is among the best, I would like to learn from you. Do you have any videos about how to get your vibrato? THANKS!
the jtm 20 is great for home use, comes stock with the creamback m 65 speaker very soft and mellow if you want more gain the friedman little sister is great.
Tube amps can generate easily 85-100db in 1w rms cranked from 12" speaker.
You need 0.5w- 0.01w attenuation or passive volume in fx loop for home use
Hi! I must absolutely disagree with you about the SV20H because:
1. when you buy any plexi style non master volume amp you must buy a power attenuator anyway to play it at home. So saying the SV20H is too loud makes no sense at all.
2. If there is a reason to not buy an SV20H then it’s because it’s not loud enough or better: it lacks dynamics because it’s only 20 watts. And the effects loop works like a charm btw…
At the other hand I completely agree with you about the new DSL series: They just sound awful.
I would honestly recommend buying a 100W Plexi or any 2203 master volume amp and use it with an attenuator at home. That works perfectly and opens the gates to Marshall heaven. 🎇
Hey Marc,
The SV20 is too loud as any other Plexi, so far so true. However the small enclosure and 5 watt mode suggest it’s usable for home use - and a lot of people fall for that trap, as you can see from my examples in the video.
And yes I do agree - if you need an attenuator regardless, get the real deal and enjoy the sparkling cleans and high headroom crunch sounds you just don’t get from the SV20. 😉
telling ppl not to buy a tube amp based on the volume is like telling ppl the sky is blue... no tube amps are made for bedroom volume level, if you have money to get a great tube amp for your bedroom you're prob buying an attenuator or a loadbox as well unless you're an idiot.
I have a few early 80’s Marshall heads. My JCM800 has a scratchy volume knob I just never got around to fixing. Well if you have one of those amps (or maybe it’s just mine) the first couple volume notches and tolerable to the ear, but sound totally weak and lifeless. Then all of a sudden another millimeter and your ear drums blow out and your chest just fills with that pure adrenaline. Everyone wants the tone, but don’t want to admit it’s too loud for them to achieve it.
One “other” method, which isn’t as good, is get a good wireless system and put your cab in another room. Or maybe your neighbors yard 😂
I’ve just gone back to using my 2555SL head and 4x12BV after a couple of years trying to gig with a 2525C.
I just couldn’t get a great sound out of it, compared to what I was used to anyway. I had comments from the audience too, that my sound wasn’t as good as it used to be and so that’s what broke the camels back in the end.
I’ll still use the combo at rehearsal now and again for easiness but I’m done with it for gigs.
Regarding paring it up with the right cabinet, you’re spot on and I can definitely tell the difference between running my 2555SL through a bottom BV, which sounds superb, compared to an angled AV with doesn’t sound as good. I guess my back will just have to suffer. 😂
Great video though!
I’ve been on the fence about getting an 2555SL. I know they’re the same as Jubs with a little more gain so it’s not really necessary, but for some reason I‘m gravitating towards that amp. 😍
You should never buy an amp or decide not to buy an amp because somebody else told you you to buy it or not buy it . The wrong tool for one guy could be the perfect tool for another and vice Versa
I use sv20 with ironman attenuator or suhr reactive load ir , volume on 10 , playing at home every mid night.
Marshally plugins rule nowadays, though.
Neural DSP Nolly has a Marshall style amp which sounds the business
Need to check it out. I have yet to find a plugin that can actually replicate an amp. And I'm a Kemper player, so, generally open to these kinds of things.
@@joeyjooones The Overloud TH-U has some sort of built-in Kemper player (Rig Player) and they offer a lot of original Kemper amp models converted to this system.
ToneX does something similar, but in my opinion mostly rather on amateur level.
I have Tonex and it’s cheap. All you need is irig which is like $80. People record their amps and cabs into the software.
Totally agree the SV20 is not a bedroom amp. Not meant to be. Show me in it product description …“bedroom amplifier”.
My 2525C at first didn't sound good because of the stock speaker, a Celestion G12M Greenback. I love Greenbacks but not in this amp, unless its a 4x12. Many years ago I bought a pair of 1987 Marshall branded Celestion G12 Vintage, THE original Silver Jubilee speakers. I popped one into my Mini SJ and guesss what? It sounds like the real thing! Also, I use Fryette Power Stations for all my attenuation/boosting up, post-power-amp effects loop, impedance matching and other needs. I can play that little amp anywhere, from bedroom to arena. No problem there. 😎
Silber Jubilee? I thought they're called Silver Jubilee, no?
I would say to avoid the original jcm 2000, it has history of bias issue causing redplating due to the PCB becoming conductive over time. Sooner or later you have to replace the main board requiring more expensive repair
I have an early jcm 2000 it'was my road dog never let me down it was serviced every 3 months I'm retired now but it still is on of my favorite marshalls from my collection from plxi 1968 50w to 900 800 etc it still has all the original caps I guess I got a good one !!
Bro, there's smth that was invented a little while ago it's called ATTENUATOR, there's also smth called LOADBOX.. there's multiple ways of cranking your Marshall up without going deaf.... I have the SV20 and it's prob the best amp in my collection, pls stop passing on misinformation, the SV20 is prob the best sounding 20w amp that Marshall has put out, and also the effects loop is great.
The Silver Jubilee kombo is awesome.
Joey you don't need click baits. Cheers.
I have a DSL5CR which I put a G10 Greenback in and it sounds great for classic rock. Effects loop is handy, reverb isn't terrible, and it's just a great all-round practice amp
I love the dsl 20 and I use the origin 50 and peavey 5150 together blended
I totally agree with the 20 Watt Plexi in terms of loudness. But I think it isn't designed for "Playing an Plexi at Bedroomlevels cranked", but for "You play smaller stages and can't Crank an 50 or 100 Watt Plexi? Than go for our 20 watts...!". For me, it is a typically case of "Buyers who doesn't inform themselves about what they buy, until they have bought it." By the way, that's why you always should try musical stuff, before buying it!
About the silver Jubilee, I couldn't tell anything...
But what I'm totally disagree is the DSL Thing. The new DSL's (CR/HR) are incredible Amps - especially, but not only in terms of the Price!
As I tried my Hagström Fantomen in an Guitarshop here in Germany, I tried it with some Amps - also with an DSL1cr and DSL5cr. I was like "hell yeah, that small Amps are rocking like hell!" I mean, you have Marshall-Tube-Sounds in a small package for a price, that's hilarious, so I was thinking about to buy one.
A few Weeks later, a Guitar-Student of mine got his DSL20HR and brought it to our session...damn, what an awesome Amp!
But I still wanted the DSL 1 or 5 cr...until...I was in another Guitarstore and asked for playing the DSL5cr. They told me, that they will pick it up for me but until it's unboxed and so on, I can try the DSL40CR. I was there with a good friend of mine and hoooooly freakin cow, that thing rocked and gave me a big, fat smile for every tone I played. So it was sure, I'll buy one of them!
Regular, I'm playing an Hughes&Kettner Statesman Dual EL34 on a Marshall JCM900 1960 Lead (4x12 G12-T75, made in 1994 for in England). I'm absolutely loving that Setup, but it's heavy and it's too loud for many smaller gigs, because it sounds great with Master on 4/10 or better higher (best from 5.5 and up), but than it gets incredible Loud. I also have an E-Wave DG5-H, that's called a "small JCM800" from many people, also the Epiphone Valve Junior, Fame VS5012 (also Known as Randall RG50C I think) and some other Amps with All-Valve, Hybrid, Solid State and Modeling technologies, so I'm not an "I have to buy an Marshall, just because, but didn't know how to use it".
I don't like to play with (many) pedals on stage, so I always just use an Wah and an Tuner, that's it...just because I love the real Tube-Sound and yeah, maybe I am too saturated by all my pedals (was sponsored by an Pedal-Company a few years and have something around 30 - 40 Pedals, I think).
So the DSL40CR gave me exactly what I wanted... an transportable, awesome Sounding Amp, that can Handle everything I want - from warm Cleans to High-Gain Metal Sounds, without the need of anything, than the Amp himself. Usable on low Volumes (and also usable in Silent Mode, but don't need this really...) and perfect for Noodling around in my Studio, but also Gigging with it.
So yeah, the DSL40cr (and also the other DSL CR/HR's from the actual series) are awesome amps for an absolutely fair price. They Look like a Marshall and they also sound like a Marshall, but with modern features for a lower price because of the "Made in Vietnam" batch at the Back. The only two negative things on that Amp are: They only come with the 2x Footswitch, so you should better buy the 6x for like 100 bucks and the OD2 sounds a little Muddy when turning the Gain much more than 12 o'clock...but if you know how to use (Playing in the OD1/Green on 3/4 gain, only using red for thickening Solo sounds in Combination with an little higher power Master 2) it's an incredible versatile Amplifier!
Did you played them before or just talked about what you heard in the internet about them?
But anyways, great Video and informative also! :)
I know a gigging pro who uses two TSL100s, and they sound incredible. And not too expensive on the used market . Just a thought, my two cents.
i run a captor x as a power soak, and this on top of a plexi would create a very usable amp. however, the general build quality of these 20W marshall are ordinary.
Agree! A company which gets only about 5% of their revenue from amps will probably not focus on building first class units anymore.
Actually the Studio amps are good, even watched a show were Dave Friedman said they are good amps. And I play one at home, just like hotrods are loud, any non master volume amp and some master volume amps are loud. Do what other people do, buy some sort attenuator . Use a boost pedal to hit the amp and push it into drive some, etc. I play mine at home without a attenuator now and low volume and it sounds good.
I have Slash Jubilee 2555SL, JCM800 2203 and 2525H. 2525H is amazing amp even though I have two 100W amps and one of them is 2555SL. 2525H with master volume on 5-6 have big ball into 4x12 1960BX with Greenbacks.
It's true that even on 5 watt mode, the Studio 20 head series is too loud on it's own to use without an attenuator. Even the JTM, which I have. Though, at least with the JTM it's a beautiful clean(ish) tone, which makes the effects loop worthwhile. And on the 5 watt mode you don't have to crank it that much for a for a warm drive to quickly creep in. If you want to keep it clean at higher volumes, you have to start reigning in the bass, or it blows out (though not in an unpleasant way). And unlike the Plexi, it's doesn't sound harsh, even at very loud volume. But, definitely had to go out and buy a Torpedo Captor 16 to use with it. So worth factoring that into purchase cost. The JTM cab is very nice, really well made, good decently big cab, nicely made and very good sounding Creamback speaker that suits the amp. With my Strat, and a Pedal Pawn fuzz, the ST20H and JTM cab sound great ... albeit with a Captor when using it at home.
A friend of mine has a DSL40 and it's a great amp. It's hard to beat for the price. It is a lot of amp. Highly recommended if you're looking for a 112 tube combo amp and you're leaning in the Marshall direction.
I haven't had any issues with the fx loop on my sv20 just running time based FX etc. Trust me, despiste my love of the amp, there are ia few issues I have with it... But there are times when everything melds and I'm grateful (no surprise there) that I have it. There is a chance that the fact I have a '79 jmp 50W to turn to when I choose, I'm less critical. I do really love its cleans and light dirt. But I believe it's a very useful amp and I'm glad I have it.
What do you think about the JVM205 or JVM410
Maybe someone who knows can tell me if the new reissue jubilee heads are comparable to the originals.
I have played numerous Marshalls, the JMP2203, Lead 12, JCM800 2205 and the amp that sounds the best is in fact the DSL1 combo into my Peavey 412M with stock Celestion V30s :) Yes, at 10 watts it actually does the business, and it does all the others - like a DSL does!
I tend to agree…Jim Marshall listened to musicians in the late 60’s and early 70’s demanding more volume and crunch, and he delivered. The problem is, time marches on, and today’s musician is not that enamored with these loud monsters. Re: Marshall amps…I myself would not buy any Marshall ‘G’ series, they are truly one dimensional. Their tube amps sound best…but are heavy monsters to lug around!
Joey, this is a great video. Totally agree with you. I have 3 JCM 2000's, 2 1999's and 1 2002. I mod them and they sound absolutely amazing and I've never had any problems with them. And to my ears they sound way better then the new Vietnam built DSL's.
I have a DSL 100 HR head and it sounds fantastic. Keeps up with my EVH Stealth and Mesa recto all day. Not to mention it's less than half the price of the other two heads I own. I would go as far to say that amp has the best bang for your buck among all tube heads.
I've had the pleasure of owning of these Marshall amps: the DSL1HR, Origin20H, Origin20H (modded to JCM800 style), SV20H, and 2525H. The 2525H is the one that I kept and here's my thoughts:
If you're looking to play the SV20 at bedroom volumes through a guitar cabinet, consider grabbing yourself an attenuator. You can find some for as low as 70 euros, or you could invest in a more premium option like the Rivera Rockcrusher, Toneking Iron Man, or Fryette Powerstation. Alternatively, if you're okay with playing through studio monitors, the Two Notes Captor could be a solid option for around 250 euros. The Captor X might be a good upgrade because it has more attenuation levels, but it might not have enough attenuation to tame the SV20 to bedroom volumes. For pristine effects, consider adding them in your DAW using plugins. However, it's worth noting that having effects in front of the amp played a crucial role in creating those legendary tones of the early Marshall players. For example in achieving a tone simmilar to EVH's , using an Echoplex, Script Phase 90 and MXR Flanger in front of the amp could have a more significant impact than using the exact same amp he had.
Personally, I own the 2525H along with a matching JVM 212C. I can attest that the Jubilee can be quite picky when it comes to speaker choice. It didn't sound great with the stock G12 Heritage speaker; in fact, that combo brought out the worst in the Jubilee. However, after switching to a Vintage 30 and a G12M-65 Creamback speaker combination, it sounds perfect. I've also experimented with a lot of IRs, but I keep coming back to this speaker setup.
As for the DSL1HR, I ended up parting ways with it because the clean channel lacked serious headroom, which was a deal-breaker for me after selling my Fender amp. In general, I'd recommend skipping the DSL and Origin series and opting for one of the classics instead.
Wow, I second almost all of this. Especially V30s in Jubilees, we‘re on the same page here!
I'm running mine into a Two Notes Torpedo, that's -20dB.. still too loud :')
I use it as a full on load box, run into my HX Stomp, and then to a solid state power amp (similar to Seymour Duncan Powerstage) that pushes a 2x12 V30 cab - now THAT's great. No idea why they gave the combos 10 inch speakers.. they are waaaay too mid focused.
Also added a rotary switch to choose input cap value, can only recommend! Cheap, simple, awesome mod.
Yeah. I own a Boss Waza TAE. Volume or tone is never an issue.
Every review I've seen for the studio amps has been good?
UA Lion through a power amp or another active sound source seems like a good way to go if you don't want a tube Marshall, and at an attainable price.
Can't agree with your opinion on the 2525c. I use this amp for about 4-5 years on various and very different stages and at home. For me it's the swiss knife of the gigging musician. Very consistent sound, robust construction, carries very well pedals, good cleans for a Marshall...I love it. I think that the concept with these amps is to be versatile on use. Of course it's not the pro level sound for the big stage and it's not fair to be compared with it's big brothers. Its just the amp that can do the job on almost every situation for the average gigging musician. With good mics and PA almost everything is possible. Personal opinion
I have a JCM 2000 TSL 60 Combo and it's always been awesome, never an issue!
i just bought 2525C and i think it sound decent. i also have bogner 20th anniversary with 4x12 and here the sound is much richer. marshall combo cost me 800 $ refurbished, and bogner with cab was 7000 $. marshall sounds really good to my opinion. and its worth to buy. with bigger cab it will sound better.
Fair enough! :)
I bought my Marshall brand new in 1980 and still have it , to never broken down just a great amp, it was one of the last 2204 ‘S left before they were introducing the JCM 800 👈🏼 (crap amp ) the 800 is not the same as a 2204 most people think they are they are not ! The circuitry is different and the only reason it says 2204 on the back of the 800 is that they share the same chassis that it - the only reason - anyway I hate to trash another amp combo or head but I’m so sick of 800 Owners saying or calling their 800 a 2204 it’s not even close. The 2203 and 2204 have great tone and nice mids the clean channel handles blues so well it’s amazing.
DSL40 is a great combo. Tip... run master channels hot and dial in the channel volume. Dont use much gain = pure marshall
I have a SV20H on a 2x12 and it’s perfect for home use if you use an attentuator. Which I don’t have. But I also have neighbours who don’t care. So yeah…I disagree the Sv20 isn’t a home amp. It’s a great home amp! 👍
lynch mod put one of those in the plexi
Your video is very nice but I think you're wrong about the dsl amps. I have the dsl1 combo at home and the sound is great. I can play cleans rock and metal easily and the sound is good for a tiny combo. I also tried the dsl20 head and it was absolutly insane. But I respect your opinion.
Dude i got a sv20h, its 800€ in Europe. And you need an attenuator of course... torpedo captor 8 is enough. Sounds amazing at home xD another thing, you need a greenback with it or a cream, the v30 has too much high end.
You can turn the fx loop off on the studio classic
I have two SV20HR amps that I use for home, one in the TV room and another in my garage. I put a 100K potentiometer in an old metal sardine can, put this in the effects loop and now my SV20HR amps have a master volume, and for about $6. They are perfect for home and bedroom use. Your opinions are are silly.