If you go back more than 2 or 3 years when you get to me, it doesn't count. I was extra dumb back then. I also constantly tell my audience I'm an idiot, so it's their own fault if they listen to me.
I have been reloading for more than 40 years. I had to figure a lot of this stuff you're talking about on my own. Back then there was no TH-cam to help a guy out. I could only read the little that was out there and figure the rest out with experimentation. After 40 years of reloading I'm still picking things up and I don't think any of us will ever know it all. I am thankful for all you who put things on TH-cam to help others. I don't always agree with everything that's said but if I can pick up a tidbit I do agree with and it helps me be a better reloader I'm happy. So thanks again to all of you who share your knowledge.
Outstanding comment with a refreshing attitude . . . all I can say is . . . ''DITTO''. Chris - "After 40 years of reloading I'm still picking things up and I don't think any of us will ever know it all." is true 'Wisdom'...keeping an open mind and having the willingness to 'experiment' & document the empirical evidence is everything. Whether it proves you right or wrong is not the bottom line...it is the fact that you learned something. . . . . charlie
Chris Outdoors Thumbs up for that! Close to 40 years for me as well. Matter-of-fact, been reloading for almost as long as I've been subscribed to Shooting Times and Handloader magazines. 😃
Yeah, I’m going on 50+ reloading since I started in ‘68 and am old school at neck sizing but after seeing Erik’s video on FL and bullet seating it changed my ways after improving my groups from .38MOA to .28MOA and often smaller. I take what Erik says to the bank...... you can teach on old dog new tricks
I have been reloading for 30 years and always felt that if I stop learning I am going to stop reloading because that’s when mistakes can happen more often complacency gets people hurt you can ask 100 people how they do a task and will get 100 different ways but some are more effective and wear less on equipment
Quote of the day! "Feel isn't a measurement!" With your permission I will be using that quote with my highschool science students when we go over quality of arguments /evidence.
Thank you Erik. As a seasoned gunsmith and precision hand loader I fully agree with your methods. Many hours of testing have taught me what works and what steps matter in your prep and assembly. I'm not nearly as OCD as I once was! Also loved the video on "chasing the lands"! Keep up the great vids!
Erik...you and Eagle Eye both have good points. Thank You! I've even seen him go against his previous videos, after learning that what he thought, wasn't actually the best way of dong things. We are thankful, for all experiments, that you guys perform, with weapons. Thank You!
@@user-yr1dp7kr8g yes!!! I just saw this video yesterday and even before all the movement in his die I was like get rid of those fing cheap ass calipers and take real measurements
22:45 I only found your channel a week ago. It is very humbling to know that there's a person out there that is as busy as you are that is willing to give up a substantial amount of his time to try and help out whoever is willing to watch and listen. The fact that you're one of the very top long range shooters in the country if not the world makes this even more amazing. God bless you and may all your groups be small and centered.
Great Detective work on EES video. I gained more respect for you through your character in this video than your knowledge. Keep up the good work and the manner you present your content. We don’t need to see you degrade another YTuber for entertainment as others may suggest, we come to you bc we want to be educated in a professional manner. Thank you for having integrity and keeping your channel “family-friendly” so other younger shooters can watch without cringing. 👍🏼😀
Holy crap. I’ve been subbed to this channel for a long time and this notification just popped up and I realized who you are 😂 only been subbed to Texas Barndominiums since you started working with Matt!
Keep them coming Mr.Cortina. I have been reloading about 10 years for hunting applications, but I love shooting groups in the off season. The smaller the better, (Thats not what she said)
Let’s grow this channel guys. Erik has a proven track record and nothing he will share is hearsay, speculation or copied from another channel. What he does in the reloading room and behind the rifle elevated him to the top of this game. This is what our sport need! I am not a social media warrior but I’m all in to incentivize him to create content, that can be trusted.
Erik, you are spot on. Looks like the shoulder variation is there because the die to g is not tight. I'm only 51 but have loaded for over 36 yrs and was of the old era of neck sizing. I was bushing neck sizing with the occasional fliers I could never pin down. I found your post with the F-Class and bench shooters and it opened my eyes. I tried full length bump sizing and bushing sizing necks. With my 40X 308 shooting from a bag, I just shot a 0.030" spread 4-shot group at 100yds, the best I've ever shot. Fun is factory other than being bedded. I'm sold and am trying it with all my other calibers. If you've some anything, you've at least helped me. Thanks!
I'm so glad you noticed that die moving! That was going to burn a hole in my soul if that wasn't talked about. I would bet the majority of his deviation is coming from that die moving around so much. Great video and thank you for not trashing the guy. I'm sure his heart is in the right place.
First time I saw the video from "Eagle Eye" I thought the guy was being too casual about this whole "feel thing." The FIRST tool I bought when starting to load for 6.5PRC was the comparator. 0.002 "bump" is a real thing that can be measured and can be achieved repeatedly. Now if I could only reduce my coffee consumption, I'm sure my groups would really tighten up!
Nice video. I liked that you linked in that short clip of David Tubb from the Long Range Shooters of Utah channel. When it came up, I thought, 'Hey, I've seen that video".
Gray Note Media man I don’t believe that. I have been watching Eagle Eye for quite a long time now. He doesn’t cus anyone out nor would he block you for just disagreeing with him.
@Erik Cortina all the way from South Africa. Thanks for this. Using your method and not only improved group size but man makes your life 100 times easier!!!!
I've become a big fan of Eric's and am learning a lot by his guidance. I really appreciate his approach to this guy, giving him respect but correcting his errors. Good job Eric.
I bump size using the Redding “Competition” Shell Holders because that allows me to get full contact on the shell holder when pull handle on my rockchucker. And I of course use my comparator to measure everything. That said, I will certainly want to see how you bump size because I am always very interested in learning good ideas. Thank you for this video commentary!!
Can of Beans that’s a bummer your Shellholders weren’t correct. Mine are correct but thank you. I can only suggest contacting Redding because they do have typical lifetime warranty. Good luck to you
I just measured my Redding “Competition” shell holders with my Mitutoyu dial type caliper. Measurements were from bearing surface for base of brass - to bearing surface contacting press piston. My measurements seem exactly what they are supposed to be. Standard 0.125” + 002: 0.123” + 004: 0.121” + 006: 0.119” + 008: 0.117” + 010: 0.115” For my 308 Forster “Benchrest” full length sizing die and for my 308 factory rifle, I use the +008 holder to get a bump measuring typically between 0.001” and 0.002”
Master Yoda, there is no feel. There is only measure! I'd like to see the Eric "Yoda" Cortina t shirt. I can't wait for your next video. Thanks so much!
I watched some of his videos and they had me itching my head. Thanks for the response video to ease my confusion (I like to think I'm always learning but don't want to go about it wrong either).
Love your videos would really like to see a start to finish load video from brass prep to seating bullets and some groups I know you got those tight lil big holes share that knowledge brother I’ll keep watching
I don't shoot competitively, but I demand the best accuracy from the rifles I use for varmint hunting that I can get. One hole groups at 100 yards is pretty good, under
Biggest issue with his test, his extractor and firing pin are still in the bolt body. He is not feeling the case, he is feeling the resistance of the firing pin and the extractor pressing on the back of the case. He is using a Thompson Centre rifle which activates the firing pin when opening the bolt. This is besides everything else he spoke about. I have seen this method used before correctly and it is done correctly, the bump is usually 1 - 2 thou anyway.
I’ve been bumping shoulders back 2 thousands for years now. I use Redding type s fl bushing dies on my long rage and hunting rifles and it’s never felled me yet. Look forward to the next video Erik.
Would love to see a video of your reloading process, the equipment you use, and why you use that particular equipment/what advantage comes from special equipment. Your smallest group video showing the CPS, hydro press and Prometheus has me intrigued.
I thought you did an outstanding job refuting his claims without being a jerk and that is hard to find these days. Once I see someone being an ass I move on regardless of their credentials. Also, I respect Eagle Eye getting out there and making a video. Discussion like this leads to better results by all. Well done. Btw, I FLS, bump 2 thou and have no idea how far I am from the lands. LOL
I’ve loaded tens of thousands of handgun rounds, but relatively new to rifle loading. I’m curious why you aren’t concerned with your bullet jump. I’m only asking because I want to learn.
@@PS-rr2jt Sam Millard over at Panhandle said "My most accurate barrel spent the last half of its life shooting Berger hybrids and VLDs that were jumping .200" [two tenths of an inch] to the lands". I don't think it's that they're not concerned, it's that it varies so greatly for every rifle that maybe it's not worth going into too deeply. "Test in or out and see which one works better". Also, the above example is extreme: if you watched that David Tubb part, he said .010" out up to .050" in; .200" is 4 times that maximum amount, so just food for thought.
I see this was made three years ago, and I’m sure you’ve grown since then, but you were talking about the time it takes to make the videos and it looked like you edit them yourself. You may have already done this by now since I’m just seeing this video three years after it was made, but you might want to think about hiring a video editor. My guess is you have done that already, given the growth of your channel. Thank you for what you do. Keep going! Love and appreciate the content.
@@IMPACTSHOOTING I just found out too that he was a builder by trade. I only knew this when Demolition Ranch's other channel Off The Ranch dropped a video with Erik in it. LOL. This answers how he affords all the cool guns and stuff. LOL
I've tried both methods and they both provide good enough accuracy for me, 1 MOA or better, but I definitely prefer the .002" shoulder bump. Some of my dies using standard shell holders don't let me bump the shoulder but full length resizing almost always gives me the same results, 1 MOA or better, which is no longer an especially high standard. So I if I can't readily and easily bump the shoulder I don't care. Great vid as usual. I really like Erik's attitude, and always have.
Thanks, Erik. You are very generous to share your knowledge, experience, and time with the shooting community on YT. More info is always better, and every viewer will decide for himself what he wants to do. But "to get my results, you've got to do what I do" is still true. Showing on-target results with valid group sizes (5, 10, or 20 shots) is "proof" enough.
It’s good to see differences in opinions & techniques. I’m always saying what works for one may or may not work for some or all. I’m still a new Reloader myself (2 plus years) & I take away all the information I absorb & attempt to put it to work to see if it makes or breaks my process. Erik I hit the like button can’t wait to see the video once this one hits 5k likes. Thanks for sharing
I saw a video not long ago where two old school lumberjack's had a competition about who's chainsaw was sharper and more effective. Both were much better than a factory chain, but one was A LOT better than the other. They both had been sharpening saws a long time too. Beware of the guy that thinks he has nothing left to learn.
I stumbled into the channel after watching many of your barndo videos, Eric. What a nice surprise that you’re also a top shooter. I’m not into PRS yet, but just getting into reloading for future service rifle and Garand CMP events. Would love to see a whole reloading series starting from scratch. That would be awesome. Love your presentation style. Cheers! Alejandro
CAN YOU DO a video “Showing” what equipment you have and use to reload with. Maybe a Affliate link to those products on your video description as another way to monetize your videos. Buying the same exact equipment you use will greatly increase the same results in reloading outcome for us I imagine. 👍🏼
A great video and many lessons learned. Having said that, I can tell from how the sizing lube was applied to his brass why his bump numbers are erratic- lube is on the shoulder and that’s causing the inconsistency. Lube the neck and the baby, never the shoulder, keep it dry for better results.
Erik first off please release more videos. Thank you for helping all of us out by sharing your knowledge! I have found at .002” shoulder bump if you strip your bolt you will get a nice smooth chamber with little to no resistance. It’s more of a Precision fit that he is trying to describe except you have a measurement to reference to to repeat time and time again.
Brother, I'm binging your videos. Basically a meat hunter and lover of firearms. Hobby reloader with an emphasis on accuracy. I reload for several different hunting rifles and pistols made for different jobs from single shots to revolvers to automatics. Keep doing what you do. You're gonna have a million subs before you know it. Thank you for the videos.
I was really hesitant to watch this video as I disliked alot of the negative comments I was reading on the video beforehand, but I am glad I went on and watched it. I learned alot from watching it. I appreciate the way you discussed what you disagreed with him without absolutely flaming him like some of the comments (I don't think flaming comments help anyone, just like the comment he made at the end of his video.). Thanks for the constructive way you pointed out the issues you had!
It's strange that Eagle Eye cites David Tubb's jamming bullets into the lands and completely ignores Tubb's long time advocacy of bumping the shoulder back .002".
@@wilfdarr Tubbs has been advocating for bumping the shoulder .002-.003" in multiple videos going back to the 1970s. The oldest video I saw with him mentioning it was "High Power Rifle Reloading," which was recently restricted by Sierra Bullets on TH-cam. A quick search this morning found a more recent video where Tubbs again advocates for bumping the shoulder. See th-cam.com/video/ECUcIeak7CM/w-d-xo.html at around 3:00 minutes.
@@njgrplr2007 ha ha ha yes yes I know. I see how you read what I wrote but that's not what I meant to say! I meant "that's not what he said about jamming the bullets", not the other way around. I fixed it to be more intuitive.
I just found your other channel today. I really enjoy your business one. I really don’t know anything about guns, but I will totally agree with you on feel is no measurement. Also if I really be concerned with accuracy I might not buy my measuring devices at Harbor Freight. The old adage of you get what you pay for comes to mind. I’m a heavy equipment mechanic by trade and on older equipment close enough was good enough. I can use a business card to set the ring and pinion gear in a final drive and it feels good or I can use a dial indicator to measure the gear lash to verify.
Hello my Friend, I’m not new to handloading for accuracy, and I will watch your videos for more knowledge, because you put it down like it should be, thank you very much for all of your knowledge brother 👍🏼✌🏼
No where in the video did I ever see TWO WRENCHES to tighten the jam nut securely while holding the die in position. Not by the press, not behind the guy, not left of the chair, not on the shelf under the loader, not one the tray below the table. I can't remember ever adjusting a die without having wrenches out from start to until after a final test with everything fully tightened - and this is on a progressive with replaceable plates. If I had a single stage those wrenches would live in a purpose made holder directly on or under or the press. I wonder if he's hand tightening dies to get that wobble and 30 thou variance? (In the accuracy video a year later wrenches are out, I guess he learned!)
@ 9:51 i just spotted the problem. he's using a harbor fraught digital caliper. thats why he's got variance all over the place. the problem's not the brass its the cheap shitty chicom digital caliper.
Darn good info and thx for sharing and your time - started learning from a channel "Panhandle Precision" and he does the 2 thou shoulder bump and that was my way. Then as time goes and you see more I saw Eagle Eye Shooting take on it and it made so much sense . . . . now months later . . I master shooter tells me to go back to bumping (and don't take me wrong EES is also a master shooter in my opinion, just not officially) but think I will go back to bumping ;) maybe not 2/1000, since I am not a competitive shooter, but lets say 5/10000 to 1/1000, think that should be ok and the best out of both worlds :) (and yes I do like to measure - feel is not my thing in this sport/art/science) - again thx for taking your time for us noobs out here - greetings from Iceland :)
To his credit Eagle Eye Shooting put it out there. What makes this a learning experience is that we learned there is more than one way to do it. But using a measurement instead of "feel" will bring repeatability and better understanding. So that is the way I am going.
Eric, I'm very impressed on with the class you had to respectfully disagree with the man, A quality not often seen in this format unfortunately. I can attest to the risk you run with undersizing brass in a rifle as i ruined my first ar bolt. By the time I saw the smearing of the rear bolt lugs, i found my headspace had grown an excess of .010"(i originally did not own a headspace gauge). Fortunately some educated friends in the hobby showed me the error of my ways. Keep up the great content!!
I am starting to like Eric's content a lot. I am beginning LR shooting and have jumped in the deep end a bit. Fortunately a lot of YT watching has saved me from most early errors, and I believe that I am starting out in the right direction so to speak. I am also going to start posting vids of my progress from an amateur's point of view, which I hope will be motivating for others, although I strongly recommend watching the professionals like Eric.
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If you go back more than 2 or 3 years when you get to me, it doesn't count. I was extra dumb back then. I also constantly tell my audience I'm an idiot, so it's their own fault if they listen to me.
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Hahahha love you man. JRB is an entertainment channel, and one of the finest at that.
Even during your pubescent phase, 2 or 3 years ago, I learn more.
Thank you Johnny.
I’m gonna have to go checkout JRB. Reaction video coming up. 😁
Love your stuff brother!
Im so glad you just didn´t trash the guy totally. I was affraid you just would bully him to hell but you actually showed him some respect. Good job!!
Because the guy was not wrong. Why would you be "Afraid" its not about you. A bit dramatic to go over the top with worry.
@@Physics072 Shut up, Bob. Take a fourth grade English course sometime.
Notice the cracked brass when he was bumping them back! HAHAHA
I have been reloading for more than 40 years. I had to figure a lot of this stuff you're talking about on my own. Back then there was no TH-cam to help a guy out. I could only read the little that was out there and figure the rest out with experimentation. After 40 years of reloading I'm still picking things up and I don't think any of us will ever know it all. I am thankful for all you who put things on TH-cam to help others. I don't always agree with everything that's said but if I can pick up a tidbit I do agree with and it helps me be a better reloader I'm happy. So thanks again to all of you who share your knowledge.
Outstanding comment with a refreshing attitude . . . all I can say is . . . ''DITTO''.
Chris - "After 40 years of reloading I'm still picking things up and I don't think any of us will ever know it all."
is true 'Wisdom'...keeping an open mind and having the willingness to 'experiment' & document the empirical evidence is everything. Whether it proves you right or wrong is not the bottom line...it is the fact that you learned something. . . . . charlie
Great commitment I enjoyed reading it thank you
Chris Outdoors Thumbs up for that! Close to 40 years for me as well. Matter-of-fact, been reloading for almost as long as I've been subscribed to Shooting Times and Handloader magazines. 😃
Yeah, I’m going on 50+ reloading since I started in ‘68 and am old school at neck sizing but after seeing Erik’s video on FL and bullet seating it changed my ways after improving my groups from .38MOA to .28MOA and often smaller. I take what Erik says to the bank...... you can teach on old dog new tricks
I have been reloading for 30 years and always felt that if I stop learning I am going to stop reloading because that’s when mistakes can happen more often complacency gets people hurt you can ask 100 people how they do a task and will get 100 different ways but some are more effective and wear less on equipment
Quote of the day! "Feel isn't a measurement!"
With your permission I will be using that quote with my highschool science students when we go over quality of arguments /evidence.
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Please do! Lol
Thank you Erik. As a seasoned gunsmith and precision hand loader I fully agree with your methods. Many hours of testing have taught me what works and what steps matter in your prep and assembly. I'm not nearly as OCD as I once was! Also loved the video on "chasing the lands"! Keep up the great vids!
"You can anneal it, it'll be fine."
I'm stealing that.
For everything messed up at work I'm using that phrase.
I "felt" like I won an F class match one time, turns out I didn't. Pesky numbers always getting in the way!
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Erik...you and Eagle Eye both have good points. Thank You!
I've even seen him go against his previous videos, after learning that what he thought, wasn't actually the best way of dong things.
We are thankful, for all experiments, that you guys perform, with weapons.
Thank You!
Anything I do that has to be perfect in every way, I use Harbor Freight tools...
Hahaaaaa😄
Exactly!! The equipment failure was his HF calipers.
@@user-yr1dp7kr8g yes!!! I just saw this video yesterday and even before all the movement in his die I was like get rid of those fing cheap ass calipers and take real measurements
Real precision demands using plastic Chinese vernier calipers!!
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22:45 I only found your channel a week ago. It is very humbling to know that there's a person out there that is as busy as you are that is willing to give up a substantial amount of his time to try and help out whoever is willing to watch and listen. The fact that you're one of the very top long range shooters in the country if not the world makes this even more amazing. God bless you and may all your groups be small and centered.
Great Detective work on EES video. I gained more respect for you through your character in this video than your knowledge. Keep up the good work and the manner you present your content. We don’t need to see you degrade another YTuber for entertainment as others may suggest, we come to you bc we want to be educated in a professional manner. Thank you for having integrity and keeping your channel “family-friendly” so other younger shooters can watch without cringing. 👍🏼😀
Eric, I am fairly new to reloading (less than 2 years). So, please keep them coming!!
All the best!
Holy crap. I’ve been subbed to this channel for a long time and this notification just popped up and I realized who you are 😂 only been subbed to Texas Barndominiums since you started working with Matt!
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"I hope so" lol, you locked me in there. It became personal haha
Thanks for taking the time to make this!!!! The reloading community needs more guys like you!
Keep them coming Mr.Cortina. I have been reloading about 10 years for hunting applications, but I love shooting groups in the off season. The smaller the better, (Thats not what she said)
I had the audio going when you were reading with the music and I thought you made a rap video about reloading
Let’s grow this channel guys. Erik has a proven track record and nothing he will share is hearsay, speculation or copied from another channel. What he does in the reloading room and behind the rifle elevated him to the top of this game. This is what our sport need! I am not a social media warrior but I’m all in to incentivize him to create content, that can be trusted.
Erik, you are spot on. Looks like the shoulder variation is there because the die to g is not tight.
I'm only 51 but have loaded for over 36 yrs and was of the old era of neck sizing. I was bushing neck sizing with the occasional fliers I could never pin down. I found your post with the F-Class and bench shooters and it opened my eyes. I tried full length bump sizing and bushing sizing necks. With my 40X 308 shooting from a bag, I just shot a 0.030" spread 4-shot group at 100yds, the best I've ever shot. Fun is factory other than being bedded. I'm sold and am trying it with all my other calibers. If you've some anything, you've at least helped me. Thanks!
I'm so glad you noticed that die moving! That was going to burn a hole in my soul if that wasn't talked about. I would bet the majority of his deviation is coming from that die moving around so much. Great video and thank you for not trashing the guy. I'm sure his heart is in the right place.
First time I saw the video from "Eagle Eye" I thought the guy was being too casual about this whole "feel thing." The FIRST tool I bought when starting to load for 6.5PRC was the comparator. 0.002 "bump" is a real thing that can be measured and can be achieved repeatedly. Now if I could only reduce my coffee consumption, I'm sure my groups would really tighten up!
Nice video. I liked that you linked in that short clip of David Tubb from the Long Range Shooters of Utah channel. When it came up, I thought, 'Hey, I've seen that video".
Lol. Always open to hear everyone’s point. Glad you had fun with it. Getting results still. Share knowledge, have fun
Gray Note Media man I don’t believe that. I have been watching Eagle Eye for quite a long time now. He doesn’t cus anyone out nor would he block you for just disagreeing with him.
I was wondering if crap was going to get stirred up... Now ladies, play nice 👍. We’re all one big happy family 🤗
@@johnblythe8229 no fighting, our 2A community has enough to fight about👍
Eagle Eye Shooting You’re a good man Kenny. Keep rolling..
I'd go with Erik's words....not a hard one to figure out. Also eagle eye shooting. Get better equipment.
Nice work Erik! I’m so glad I found your channel. Very informative and interesting. Keep up the good work!
@Erik Cortina all the way from South Africa. Thanks for this. Using your method and not only improved group size but man makes your life 100 times easier!!!!
I've become a big fan of Eric's and am learning a lot by his guidance. I really appreciate his approach to this guy, giving him respect but correcting his errors. Good job Eric.
I bump size using the Redding “Competition” Shell Holders because that allows me to get full contact on the shell holder when pull handle on my rockchucker. And I of course use my comparator to measure everything.
That said, I will certainly want to see how you bump size because I am always very interested in learning good ideas. Thank you for this video commentary!!
Can of Beans that’s a bummer your Shellholders weren’t correct. Mine are correct but thank you. I can only suggest contacting Redding because they do have typical lifetime warranty. Good luck to you
I just measured my Redding “Competition” shell holders with my Mitutoyu dial type caliper. Measurements were from bearing surface for base of brass - to bearing surface contacting press piston. My measurements seem exactly what they are supposed to be.
Standard 0.125”
+ 002: 0.123”
+ 004: 0.121”
+ 006: 0.119”
+ 008: 0.117”
+ 010: 0.115”
For my 308 Forster “Benchrest” full length sizing die and for my 308 factory rifle, I use the +008 holder to get a bump measuring typically between 0.001” and 0.002”
Master Yoda, there is no feel. There is only measure! I'd like to see the Eric "Yoda" Cortina t shirt. I can't wait for your next video. Thanks so much!
Damn dude. First time viewer. Highly impressed with your knowledge and that you didn't immediately call this guy a fool.
I watched some of his videos and they had me itching my head. Thanks for the response video to ease my confusion (I like to think I'm always learning but don't want to go about it wrong either).
Love your videos would really like to see a start to finish load video from brass prep to seating bullets and some groups I know you got those tight lil big holes share that knowledge brother I’ll keep watching
If people show Interest in the channel, I’ll do it.
I’m watching this 2 years later and I’m LMAO. I just recently found your channel and I find it very informative and even get some chuckles. 👍👍
Thanks for taking the time to post videos, very helpful
That’s good Thank You for taking the time.
Thank you Erik, hopefully you have shown him the light. Alot of chuckles
But mechanically he's still bumping the shoulder, but without measuring
Eric, you are a great teacher and ambassador to our sport/hobby... love your content!
Thank you
Thanks for the knowledge! Looking forward to the video so I can double check my set up!
Thank you Eric for giving us all help, I find your honesty refreshing, your help invaluable
I don't shoot competitively, but I demand the best accuracy from the rifles I use for varmint hunting that I can get. One hole groups at 100 yards is pretty good, under
Thank you for the info and being respectful to the man 😂😂.
Biggest issue with his test, his extractor and firing pin are still in the bolt body. He is not feeling the case, he is feeling the resistance of the firing pin and the extractor pressing on the back of the case. He is using a Thompson Centre rifle which activates the firing pin when opening the bolt. This is besides everything else he spoke about. I have seen this method used before correctly and it is done correctly, the bump is usually 1 - 2 thou anyway.
I love watching and learning from you Erik. Thanks
I’ve been bumping shoulders back 2 thousands for years now. I use Redding type s fl bushing dies on my long rage and hunting rifles and it’s never felled me yet. Look forward to the next video Erik.
Love kenny from desert precision. His builds are amazing
Would love to see a video of your reloading process, the equipment you use, and why you use that particular equipment/what advantage comes from special equipment.
Your smallest group video showing the CPS, hydro press and Prometheus has me intrigued.
Great video and I respect you for being very professional when it's hard to not be! lol. Hats off to you Erik
Hope we get more of these. Watched it twice. Great video.
This was great. Wish you would have continued with the series.
“Feel ain’t a measurement”.
Truer words have never been spoken!
@Common Logic 🤣🤣🤣that is a classic comment!!!!!!! Awesome!
Tell your wife that and let me know how it goes for you 😝
Thanks for the content Eric, keep up the great work
I thought you did an outstanding job refuting his claims without being a jerk and that is hard to find these days. Once I see someone being an ass I move on regardless of their credentials. Also, I respect Eagle Eye getting out there and making a video. Discussion like this leads to better results by all. Well done. Btw, I FLS, bump 2 thou and have no idea how far I am from the lands. LOL
I’ve loaded tens of thousands of handgun rounds, but relatively new to rifle loading. I’m curious why you aren’t concerned with your bullet jump. I’m only asking because I want to learn.
@@PS-rr2jt Sam Millard over at Panhandle said "My most accurate barrel spent the last half of its life shooting Berger hybrids and VLDs that were jumping .200" [two tenths of an inch] to the lands".
I don't think it's that they're not concerned, it's that it varies so greatly for every rifle that maybe it's not worth going into too deeply. "Test in or out and see which one works better". Also, the above example is extreme: if you watched that David Tubb part, he said .010" out up to .050" in; .200" is 4 times that maximum amount, so just food for thought.
I see this was made three years ago, and I’m sure you’ve grown since then, but you were talking about the time it takes to make the videos and it looked like you edit them yourself. You may have already done this by now since I’m just seeing this video three years after it was made, but you might want to think about hiring a video editor. My guess is you have done that already, given the growth of your channel. Thank you for what you do. Keep going! Love and appreciate the content.
Great stuff Erik, keep it coming.
"He misspelled 'their'". LOL!! Love it! Thanks for your series of videos. Very informative. Even the spelling. ;)
Erik, really like your channel and content, looking forward to the bump sizing video
I enjoyed this, PS, I see a silver play button behind you. Do you have another channel?
Never mind, you answered it later in the vid. Congrats on two successful channels!
@@IMPACTSHOOTING I just found out too that he was a builder by trade. I only knew this when Demolition Ranch's other channel Off The Ranch dropped a video with Erik in it. LOL. This answers how he affords all the cool guns and stuff. LOL
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Erik you have some good material with that guys for a bunch of new t-shirts 😂😂
Ah, a true Gentleman indeed; Thank you Eric...
I've tried both methods and they both provide good enough accuracy for me, 1 MOA or better, but I definitely prefer the .002" shoulder bump. Some of my dies using standard shell holders don't let me bump the shoulder but full length resizing almost always gives me the same results, 1 MOA or better, which is no longer an especially high standard. So I if I can't readily and easily bump the shoulder I don't care. Great vid as usual. I really like Erik's attitude, and always have.
Great video....I agree something is wrong with his equipment. Eagle Eye/Kenny is very competent and knowledgeable. I'm sure he will learn from this.
Like I always say "There are people with experience and people with opinions. Listen to one, smile at the other."
Your information and time is much appreciated.
Nice video.I love the concept.
Thanks, Erik. You are very generous to share your knowledge, experience, and time with the shooting community on YT. More info is always better, and every viewer will decide for himself what he wants to do. But "to get my results, you've got to do what I do" is still true. Showing on-target results with valid group sizes (5, 10, or 20 shots) is "proof" enough.
It’s good to see differences in opinions & techniques. I’m always saying what works for one may or may not work for some or all. I’m still a new Reloader myself (2 plus years) & I take away all the information I absorb & attempt to put it to work to see if it makes or breaks my process. Erik I hit the like button can’t wait to see the video once this one hits 5k likes. Thanks for sharing
Ever since I watched your seating depth video my accuracy has improved ten fold
It's interesting to hear both sides . There is always more to learn even though I have loaded for over 40 years .
I saw a video not long ago where two old school lumberjack's had a competition about who's chainsaw was sharper and more effective. Both were much better than a factory chain, but one was A LOT better than the other. They both had been sharpening saws a long time too. Beware of the guy that thinks he has nothing left to learn.
I watch a lot of videos, this is not the first from EE that I called BS on.
I have to say, I am impressed how professional your reaction was, also I am glad you posted this video as I learned something new.
I stumbled into the channel after watching many of your barndo videos, Eric. What a nice surprise that you’re also a top shooter. I’m not into PRS yet, but just getting into reloading for future service rifle and Garand CMP events. Would love to see a whole reloading series starting from scratch. That would be awesome. Love your presentation style.
Cheers!
Alejandro
CAN YOU DO a video “Showing” what equipment you have and use to reload with. Maybe a Affliate link to those products on your video description as another way to monetize your videos. Buying the same exact equipment you use will greatly increase the same results in reloading outcome for us I imagine. 👍🏼
If you are talking about Erik's equipment, then plan on spending a lot of money. His powder dispenser (prometheus) starts off at $5100.
Erik started watching your “Barominum “ videos loved them and now the shooting. Eep up the good work . D
Keep the content coming. Thank you.
A great video and many lessons learned. Having said that, I can tell from how the sizing lube was applied to his brass why his bump numbers are erratic- lube is on the shoulder and that’s causing the inconsistency. Lube the neck and the baby, never the shoulder, keep it dry for better results.
THANK YOU ERIK I AM NOT A SHOOTER WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE HOWEVER HE JUST RUBBED ME THE WRONG WAY.
Erik first off please release more videos. Thank you for helping all of us out by sharing your knowledge! I have found at .002” shoulder bump if you strip your bolt you will get a nice smooth chamber with little to no resistance. It’s more of a Precision fit that he is trying to describe except you have a measurement to reference to to repeat time and time again.
Brother, I'm binging your videos. Basically a meat hunter and lover of firearms. Hobby reloader with an emphasis on accuracy. I reload for several different hunting rifles and pistols made for different jobs from single shots to revolvers to automatics. Keep doing what you do. You're gonna have a million subs before you know it. Thank you for the videos.
I was really hesitant to watch this video as I disliked alot of the negative comments I was reading on the video beforehand, but I am glad I went on and watched it. I learned alot from watching it. I appreciate the way you discussed what you disagreed with him without absolutely flaming him like some of the comments (I don't think flaming comments help anyone, just like the comment he made at the end of his video.). Thanks for the constructive way you pointed out the issues you had!
It's strange that Eagle Eye cites David Tubb's jamming bullets into the lands and completely ignores Tubb's long time advocacy of bumping the shoulder back .002".
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Well, considering David Tubb didn't advocate jamming the bullets all the time, it all makes sense 😉
@@wilfdarr Tubbs has been advocating for bumping the shoulder .002-.003" in multiple videos going back to the 1970s. The oldest video I saw with him mentioning it was "High Power Rifle Reloading," which was recently restricted by Sierra Bullets on TH-cam. A quick search this morning found a more recent video where Tubbs again advocates for bumping the shoulder. See th-cam.com/video/ECUcIeak7CM/w-d-xo.html at around 3:00 minutes.
@@njgrplr2007 ha ha ha yes yes I know. I see how you read what I wrote but that's not what I meant to say! I meant "that's not what he said about jamming the bullets", not the other way around. I fixed it to be more intuitive.
I just found your other channel today. I really enjoy your business one. I really don’t know anything about guns, but I will totally agree with you on feel is no measurement. Also if I really be concerned with accuracy I might not buy my measuring devices at Harbor Freight. The old adage of you get what you pay for comes to mind. I’m a heavy equipment mechanic by trade and on older equipment close enough was good enough. I can use a business card to set the ring and pinion gear in a final drive and it feels good or I can use a dial indicator to measure the gear lash to verify.
BAH!!!. As I was watching this I kept feeling like you were familiar to me from somewhere and then at 21:35, there it was!
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Excellent video Erik. Thanks.
Thanks for all you do for the shooting community!!
Great information Eric !
Hello my Friend, I’m not new to handloading for accuracy, and I will watch your videos for more knowledge, because you put it down like it should be, thank you very much for all of your knowledge brother 👍🏼✌🏼
No where in the video did I ever see TWO WRENCHES to tighten the jam nut securely while holding the die in position. Not by the press, not behind the guy, not left of the chair, not on the shelf under the loader, not one the tray below the table. I can't remember ever adjusting a die without having wrenches out from start to until after a final test with everything fully tightened - and this is on a progressive with replaceable plates. If I had a single stage those wrenches would live in a purpose made holder directly on or under or the press. I wonder if he's hand tightening dies to get that wobble and 30 thou variance? (In the accuracy video a year later wrenches are out, I guess he learned!)
Thank you so much, you have made reloading much simpler for me and my group sizes have dropped considerably.
“I don’t know where this guy shoots.” Lmao
Really enjoyed the reaction video. Hoping for more.
Thanks for taking time to debunk myths Erik
@ 9:51 i just spotted the problem. he's using a harbor fraught digital caliper. thats why he's got variance all over the place. the problem's not the brass its the cheap shitty chicom digital caliper.
Darn good info and thx for sharing and your time - started learning from a channel "Panhandle Precision" and he does the 2 thou shoulder bump and that was my way. Then as time goes and you see more I saw Eagle Eye Shooting take on it and it made so much sense . . . . now months later . . I master shooter tells me to go back to bumping (and don't take me wrong EES is also a master shooter in my opinion, just not officially) but think I will go back to bumping ;) maybe not 2/1000, since I am not a competitive shooter, but lets say 5/10000 to 1/1000, think that should be ok and the best out of both worlds :) (and yes I do like to measure - feel is not my thing in this sport/art/science) - again thx for taking your time for us noobs out here - greetings from Iceland :)
I've been doing Eric's methods for over 20 years.
It just works.
Thanks for posting Eric 👍
To his credit Eagle Eye Shooting put it out there. What makes this a learning experience is that we learned there is more than one way to do it. But using a measurement instead of "feel" will bring repeatability and better understanding. So that is the way I am going.
Eric, I'm very impressed on with the class you had to respectfully disagree with the man, A quality not often seen in this format unfortunately.
I can attest to the risk you run with undersizing brass in a rifle as i ruined my first ar bolt. By the time I saw the smearing of the rear bolt lugs, i found my headspace had grown an excess of .010"(i originally did not own a headspace gauge). Fortunately some educated friends in the hobby showed me the error of my ways.
Keep up the great content!!
I am starting to like Eric's content a lot. I am beginning LR shooting and have jumped in the deep end a bit. Fortunately a lot of YT watching has saved me from most early errors, and I believe that I am starting out in the right direction so to speak. I am also going to start posting vids of my progress from an amateur's point of view, which I hope will be motivating for others, although I strongly recommend watching the professionals like Eric.
“Feel isn’t a measurement” That is worthy of putting on a t-shirt.
To quote David Lee Roth “I don’t feel tardy”.