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I have never understood the 'wait till accuracy falls off' to clean. As Speedy said, most of those shooters can't shoot well enough to know when accuracy falls off in the first place. I know this: if I start with a clean, cold barrel every time, that is a constant. I can't comprehend how shooting a dirty barrel helps anything. Thanks Eric and Speedy!
I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not exactly right to say “wait until accuracy falls off” - these folks figure out how many rounds they can shoot consistently before accuracy falls off and then they always clean prior to that point.
Short answer: Depends on what you are shooting at. At distance, consistent velocity becomes a greater issue than rifle grouping size. Slightly dirty barrels have more consistent bullet speeds.
Thank you Eric for this and all of your videos. I am new to centerfire competition shooting and reloading. You do a great job of sharing knowledge and presenting these concepts in a way that someone new can understand. I see a lot of people explaining these concepts/methods/procedures in an overly complicated way that confuses and discourages new shooters. If you don’t understand how something actually works, you just end up copying what others do, not understand if it’s a good or a bad idea. Strong buildings are built on solid foundations. Thank you for your continued assistance as I am beginning to build my shooting foundation.
I've been using Speedys cleaning routine with great success for many years. I will add that while this most always applies to match grade barrels, it doesn't always work as well on factory barrels. I've had several hunting rifles (with questionable bores) that needed to be heavily fouled before they would shoot well. You'll have to experiment if you have such a rifle. Thanks again Speedy!!!
Patch out got everything out of my old mosin Nagant hunting rifle and with my reloads it shoots better than a new hunting rifle. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Great vids man
Erik, I have been shooting and reloading for rifles and handguns for over 50 years and always learn something new every day from your video's. Especially the way Speedy cleans his rifles, I always have had trouble getting the carbon and copper fouling out of my barrels. You a wonderful gift for presentation and explanation of your video points of interest. I'm in the process of reviewing all your video's regarding reloading rifle bullets. Please except my gratitude for taking the time to post your views on You Tube and I wish you much success in your future endeavors. Rob
Thanks Erik. I shoot Benchrest with Speedy and when Speedy Talks - People Listen. I appreciate you putting this video together. I believe everyone can benefit from learning how to properly clean their rifle barrels regardless of the discipline they shoot. Keep them coming!
While shooting benchrest are you holding the rifle in any way or is it on its' rests and you only look through the scope and touch off a very light trigger?
Taint nutt'n. I shoot the word with Jesus, cuz we friends, and when Jesus talks - People better listen. Dang, I sure wish they would start making barrels out of something harder than bronze, say steel perhaps. I especially hate it when the end of my barrel gets all belled out from the brass and fiber rod materials, harummppfff! Yes, I know even water will wear away a mountain and that is why I never use anything liquid in my barrels. Moral of the Story: Sometimes even the best shooters may be prone to shoot'n the BS. Just a tad skeptical. If you can provide legitimate documentation that normal use of a bronze brush will ruin a barrel I will humbly apologize as I'm not to proud to admit that I am wrong, even if Jesus is my friend. ;-)
@@14goldmedals I shoot both light and unlimited class 1000yd benchrest at Williamsport, Pennsylvania. When I shoot my shoulder is just against the but plate without putting any shoulder pressure against. If you put shoulder pressure against you will get all kinds of vertical and horizontal dispersion in your groups at 1000yds. I let my face just barley touch the stock but again no pressure against it the stock. Then my hand is just around the pistol grip area on both my wheeler LRB stocks with again no pressure. Both rifles have Jewell benchrest triggers set under 2ounces
@@OlTrailDog TH-cam randos that don't have the winning records of somebody like either of these two guys to fall back on while attempting to throw shade on them are even more prone to shoot'n the BS. How many of these benchrest shooters at the top of their game can you name who are still using bronze brushes? Know ANY of them? They aren't cleaning the barrel on a Remington or Winchester hunting rifle that only gets fired a few times a year - and gets cleaned a lot less than that. Nice thing is that we all get to decide who we think is more likely to be accurate in offering their advice and opinions. Guys who have been winning matches for decades... or TH-cam randos.
Speedy is THE GUY when it comes to precision rifles. I had the privilege of visiting his shop with another world class shooter Being a fly on the wall listening to those too was amazing. Thanks for the video Erik.
Dang. I got so much out of this video! Thanks Eric! More videos of you and Speedy talking about accuracy subjects please. Folks stay to the end to get some tips on accurate hand loads too.
I was thinking about this video, Very well done, You keep going back to PRS shooters. Bench rest is a art and science,scores are measured in tenths, and it doesn;t matter the distance 25 yards or 1000 yards. A clean barrel is a happy barrel. F class hit the bloody 10 ring the most amount of times at a given distance. Both of these events gives the shooter plenty of time to clean or reload rounds between rounds. Its a rich mans sport. PRS as you know is a timed event. Maybe 20 stages at different distances. One doesn:t have time between stages to as I would say Piss About. As you know in PRS all you have to do is hit the target . A rifle of this type of build costs about $7500 Scope included. 1500 rounds throw the barrel away. Why clean it. New barrel is about $350 to 500 ready to go. I went to a PRS meet at Rockland Precision in Rockland PA . Spoke to the shooters. The majority of them all say the same thing about cleaning Why bother I'm not shooting groups. Hopes this helps you understand. Luck to you.
Wow, what an awesome video. I just spent around 7 hours yesterday cleaning something I never seen before. Immediately at the neck in the Freebore ,a ring of build up that after 11 shots made it impossible to get a round loaded. I was guessing using a new oil in the barrel after cleaning caused it. I noticed speedy didn't put any in. I didn't when I was done this time either. I've learned soooo much in the last year off Erik's videos.
Thank you for enlightened bore cleaning directions. May I add the following? Recommend using surgical gloves to keep all the chemicals out of your system. None are “harmless” I always use scope caps when cleaning, to prevent accidental contamination of my lenses by touch or stray droplets. I remove the magazine and fill the space with folded paper towel. I often noticed cleaning fluids seeping from the chamber into the magazine well and wood under it. Just me folks😊
Lock ease, I'll have to get some of that for my old 300 rum. I've had it since 2005. The barrel looks like and old chip and tar road with large cracks and pot holes. But it still shoots awesome. I made 8 out of 20 shot impacts at a mile on a 2'x2' plate with it. And I see your tapered tuner is sold out. When are you thinking you'll have more available?
Excellent. Thank you guys very sensible questions and definition clarity. It always helps in making decisions, applying funds and building a training program.
That was some EHXcellent gun cleaning advice!! Been shooting these kind of rifles since 1991. Think I'd developed a few bad habits along the way. Now that the kids are out of school, and all are married off, it's time to start backup.
I use cheap sca disel fuel injector cleaner and copper brush for my deep clean. I find it loosens carbon really well and black soot runs out of the barrel. Then I hoppies 9 cleaner with patches and finally bore snake and oil.😮
Another great video Erik. The thing about filling up the cracks with graphite was new. I did not pick up what Speedy use. Was is a mix with Kroil and graphite powder?
As an average proficient shooter my biggest concern with not cleaning is potential damage during storage. I just don't feel comfortable storing my firearm dirty for months. Yeah, if I'm going hunting in two weeks and I want to maintain point of impact, sure, you don't clean. But to me storing a dirty barrel for months and months is asking for trouble. At least patch it out a few times with CLP to get rid of most of the carbon fouling and coat the barrel with oil.
Thanks a bunch Erik! I've been searching for some of ISSO's products and some of the other components used here mentioned (I saw your link for the graphite, thank you). I'm having a difficult time finding anything. Where do you get your products? Can you put a link on any of your parts and products list up? BTW...your tuner brakes are awesome.
Great information! Much appreciated. What brand, or run of barrels or makers do you suggest? Knowing that every barrel is unique... Into BR.. Pretty new to this.
great video on a top-of-the-line approach! I will borrow some tips but develop it DIY He has more $$ invested in his cleaning setup than I've spent on my rifle. LOL
Been watching Eric a while thought I shot well then found out lol have improved because of him now I found another thing I was doing wrong if I asked it to 100 I might figure it out good stuff thanks
......hhmmm.....seems not cleaning the brush each time would be like scrubbing the dirt around in the barrel...??....guess this shows,....like he said - "this is the way he does it",......so many ways to do it with ultimately the same results. I am left wondering - after all the cleaning bench rest shooters do, & the many ways, must certainly effect barrel life,..??...kind of like how long the paint job will remain "like new" on a car if you never wash it vs. thoroughly washing-out the rag or using fresh one constantly or washing the entire car by just slopping the same old dirty rag or mop into the bucket & washing the entire car with it....lol.....DEFINITELY believe in CLEANING barrels for any discipline. Thanks fer sharing.
What were they referring to at 18 min. 28 sec. Eric said something and then Speedy repeated it. Also what are they referring to as "establishing their E.s." Thanks
Speedy says PRS shooters don’t shoot well enough to be able to tell if their rifle is falling off? I’d like to see Speedy shoot a PRS match. I respect Speedy and his knowledge but that was cheap.
I don't know anything but I got that in BR he wants his groups to be the size of 1 bullet, where in PRS the group is whether the steel is hit or not, harder to tell if group begins to widen until you've missed the steel and lost the match
@@johnh4957 I get that BR is a different game, but he spoke to ability, not rules of the game. I’ve said for years that one MOA will win every PRS match because the positions are the challenge. I guarantee you put speedy in that environment and hand him your typical open rig, Speedy wouldn’t be able to tell if the rifle was falling off from its .2s and .3s at baseline to .5s during a match. On the flip side, on the rare paper stages and zero confirmations, we can tell if our rifle needs cleaned. I appreciate and agree with both men’s position to clean before a barrel falls off, but not Speedo’s motion about the ability of PRS shooters.
@@graynotescartridgebox Nothing to do with ability but the level of precision required. PRS shooters aren't going to notice a quarter of an inch increase in group, it doesn't matter to them, a BR shooter will definitely notice. Horses for courses.
I have to remind these guys often that it’s not about waiting until accuracy falls off…it’s figuring out where the accuracy typically falls off and then always cleaning prior to that. In my experience it’s just as consistent as cleaning after every range trip.
I hate how the other disciplines look at PRS. We want our rifles as accurate as possible to remove that variable. The difference is that we are having to do it off a fence, rock etc. minute of plate is made exponentially more difficult with a rifle that doesn’t shoot well under 1/2 moa. I would venture to say if they came into your world they could compete just fine. I definitely respect you guys. But I wish you could show the same respect
I have a 6.5 creed moor and I got 6.5 mm patches and 6.5 mm brushes and I have to force them and I don’t wanna without knowing if it’s ok for it to be very tight?
The idea that bronze brushes can't hurt the barrel never made any sense to me. Paper is a lot softer than scissors and your cutting board and vegetables are a lot softer than your knife, but somehow the scissors and knife still get duller over time. ;)
With all due respect to all, this stuff does not work on hard carbon, I have EVERY product they make. I have Hawkeye and Teslong. Fire 150 rounds on that 6 PPC on a p. dog town, check your methods/Chemicals
I think it's interesting you spend that time to clean out the carbon to just go ahead and add it back in in the form of graphite. Seems like you youre cleaning out of paranoia more than actually helping, but im no pro so correct me on my reasoning if it's off.
So you establish the powder charge you want with low es and then you adjust the seating depth, but doesn't changinging the depth change the pressure inside the case and in turn change the es?
I would think you would want to set the depth through testing first and then adjust the powder charge. But then what charge do you test seating depth at? Forgive me if these are answered in another video
I think the thought is powder is the major contributor so you start there to find a good node. Then you fine tune with seating depth. Finally you get a tuner and micro tune for match conditions. Like Speedy said, in bench rest the charge is a variable they change during the match because they are chasing velocity to produce a single hole.
In PRS you need to go about 250 rounds without cleaning. If you clean between day 1 and day 2 at a lot of matches you will have no fouling shots available starting day 2. Your first 3 to 5 shots are generally at a lower velocity after a cleaning and this can mean a terrible first stage of day 2. The reality of PRS is that 1/2 MOA is all that is needed to hit every target. Our rifles will stay 1/2 MOA for well over 250 rounds so don't worry about cleaning until after the match. I like to clean my barrel before a 2 day match and have at least 20 rounds fired before I start the match.
I'll disagree with everything you just said. 1 after cleaning the barrel has less resistance, so in my case I get higher velocity. 2. Most ranges have a 100 yds line or more before the match starts, both days for people to shoot before the match starts, so you can foul your bore and get dope. 3. Depending on the powder and barrel combo you might have to clean after the first day. I use winchester staball because I can find it and it's affordable and it yields great velocity with single digit ES SD numbers across a 10 shot string. The down side is its dirty. I tried going 2 days with out Cleaning and got a carbon ring built up which was grabbing the bullet and creating erratic pressures. I got a 0 on 1 stage, a 2 on the next and a 3 on the next stage. Then it broke and I cleaned the last stage which was a prone long distance stage, from 1000 out to 1250. My point is if I cleaned that rifle I wouldn't of dropped 20 spots on the 2nd day. It cost me big time. But it all depends on powder and barrel combo, for me I will clean every single day
@@joemass1023 and so what. If you read what I posted how is what I'm saying wrong? If I could get a cleaner burning powder then I would def clean less but I can't. And im not paying gunbroker prices for H4350 and I don't have the time to Hover on the internet looking for a deal on the right powder. So for me cleaning at 250 rounds is not gonna happen with the powder I got. In most of my rifles with a clean bore coated in lock ease I will get higher velocity untill it's fouled. IDC if he's a top shooter I have opinion on what works and he has his
Great video Erik! First, I shoot PRS, and I clean my barrel to some degree after every session...If that's 50 rounds of practice or a 100 round match, I at least run some patches and give it a good brushing. A "light" cleaning doesn't seem to affect my first round accuracy. After a deep cleaning, 5 shots and I'm back on track. I also look at the carbon ring and assess how bad it is and then deep clean for that ring. I tend to believe that the pros saying they "clean every 500-600 rounds or when accuracy falls off" are, well, maybe not telling us the real story. Thanks again for getting one of the greats to give his perspective along with yours.
That was incredible. Thank You Speedy. Thank You Erik. That was a lifetime of experience in 20min.
I have never understood the 'wait till accuracy falls off' to clean. As Speedy said, most of those shooters can't shoot well enough to know when accuracy falls off in the first place. I know this: if I start with a clean, cold barrel every time, that is a constant. I can't comprehend how shooting a dirty barrel helps anything. Thanks Eric and Speedy!
I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not exactly right to say “wait until accuracy falls off” - these folks figure out how many rounds they can shoot consistently before accuracy falls off and then they always clean prior to that point.
variables=bad
constants=good !!
Short answer:
Depends on what you are shooting at. At distance, consistent velocity becomes a greater issue than rifle grouping size. Slightly dirty barrels have more consistent bullet speeds.
Thank you Eric for this and all of your videos. I am new to centerfire competition shooting and reloading. You do a great job of sharing knowledge and presenting these concepts in a way that someone new can understand. I see a lot of people explaining these concepts/methods/procedures in an overly complicated way that confuses and discourages new shooters. If you don’t understand how something actually works, you just end up copying what others do, not understand if it’s a good or a bad idea. Strong buildings are built on solid foundations. Thank you for your continued assistance as I am beginning to build my shooting foundation.
Thank you two so much. So nice to be passing on your wisdom.
I've been using Speedys cleaning routine with great success for many years. I will add that while this most always applies to match grade barrels, it doesn't always work as well on factory barrels. I've had several hunting rifles (with questionable bores) that needed to be heavily fouled before they would shoot well. You'll have to experiment if you have such a rifle. Thanks again Speedy!!!
Patch out got everything out of my old mosin Nagant hunting rifle and with my reloads it shoots better than a new hunting rifle. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Great vids man
Erik,
I have been shooting and reloading for rifles and handguns for over 50 years and always learn something new every day from your video's.
Especially the way Speedy cleans his rifles, I always have had trouble getting the carbon and copper fouling out of my barrels.
You a wonderful gift for presentation and explanation of your video points of interest. I'm in the process of reviewing all your video's regarding reloading rifle bullets. Please except my gratitude for taking the time to post your views on You Tube and I wish you much success in your future endeavors.
Rob
What a wealth of information you and Speedy are. Thanks for sharing this.
The chamber brush oversized is genius. Definitely doing this from here on out. Thanks gentlemen.
Thanks Erik. I shoot Benchrest with Speedy and when Speedy Talks - People Listen. I appreciate you putting this video together. I believe everyone can benefit from learning how to properly clean their rifle barrels regardless of the discipline they shoot. Keep them coming!
While shooting benchrest are you holding the rifle in any way or is it on its' rests and you only look through the scope and touch off a very light trigger?
Taint nutt'n. I shoot the word with Jesus, cuz we friends, and when Jesus talks - People better listen. Dang, I sure wish they would start making barrels out of something harder than bronze, say steel perhaps. I especially hate it when the end of my barrel gets all belled out from the brass and fiber rod materials, harummppfff! Yes, I know even water will wear away a mountain and that is why I never use anything liquid in my barrels. Moral of the Story: Sometimes even the best shooters may be prone to shoot'n the BS. Just a tad skeptical. If you can provide legitimate documentation that normal use of a bronze brush will ruin a barrel I will humbly apologize as I'm not to proud to admit that I am wrong, even if Jesus is my friend. ;-)
@@14goldmedals I shoot both light and unlimited class 1000yd benchrest at Williamsport, Pennsylvania. When I shoot my shoulder is just against the but plate without putting any shoulder pressure against. If you put shoulder pressure against you will get all kinds of vertical and horizontal dispersion in your groups at 1000yds. I let my face just barley touch the stock but again no pressure against it the stock. Then my hand is just around the pistol grip area on both my wheeler LRB stocks with again no pressure. Both rifles have Jewell benchrest triggers set under 2ounces
@@OlTrailDog TH-cam randos that don't have the winning records of somebody like either of these two guys to fall back on while attempting to throw shade on them are even more prone to shoot'n the BS. How many of these benchrest shooters at the top of their game can you name who are still using bronze brushes?
Know ANY of them?
They aren't cleaning the barrel on a Remington or Winchester hunting rifle that only gets fired a few times a year - and gets cleaned a lot less than that.
Nice thing is that we all get to decide who we think is more likely to be accurate in offering their advice and opinions. Guys who have been winning matches for decades... or TH-cam randos.
Speedy is THE GUY when it comes to precision rifles. I had the privilege of visiting his shop with another world class shooter Being a fly on the wall listening to those too was amazing. Thanks for the video Erik.
Dang. I got so much out of this video! Thanks Eric! More videos of you and Speedy talking about accuracy subjects please. Folks stay to the end to get some tips on accurate hand loads too.
I was thinking about this video, Very well done, You keep going back to PRS shooters. Bench rest is a art and science,scores are measured in tenths, and it doesn;t matter the distance 25 yards or 1000 yards. A clean barrel is a happy barrel. F class hit the bloody 10 ring the most amount of times at a given distance. Both of these events gives the shooter plenty of time to clean or reload rounds between rounds. Its a rich mans sport. PRS as you know is a timed event. Maybe 20 stages at different distances. One doesn:t have time between stages to as I would say Piss About. As you know in PRS all you have to do is hit the target . A rifle of this type of build costs about $7500 Scope included. 1500 rounds throw the barrel away. Why clean it. New barrel is about $350 to 500 ready to go. I went to a PRS meet at Rockland Precision in Rockland PA . Spoke to the shooters. The majority of them all say the same thing about cleaning Why bother I'm not shooting groups. Hopes this helps you understand. Luck to you.
Wow, what an awesome video. I just spent around 7 hours yesterday cleaning something I never seen before. Immediately at the neck in the Freebore ,a ring of build up that after 11 shots made it impossible to get a round loaded. I was guessing using a new oil in the barrel after cleaning caused it. I noticed speedy didn't put any in. I didn't when I was done this time either.
I've learned soooo much in the last year off Erik's videos.
Thank you for enlightened bore cleaning directions.
May I add the following?
Recommend using surgical gloves to keep all the chemicals out of your system. None are “harmless”
I always use scope caps when cleaning, to prevent accidental contamination of my lenses by touch or stray droplets.
I remove the magazine and fill the space with folded paper towel.
I often noticed cleaning fluids seeping from the chamber into the magazine well and wood under it.
Just me folks😊
Lock ease, I'll have to get some of that for my old 300 rum. I've had it since 2005. The barrel looks like and old chip and tar road with large cracks and pot holes. But it still shoots awesome. I made 8 out of 20 shot impacts at a mile on a 2'x2' plate with it. And I see your tapered tuner is sold out. When are you thinking you'll have more available?
Love that video. So much more than just cleaning a barrel. Love to hear the og’s talk
Very interesting video!
Thank you Eric and Speedy !
One of the most informative videos I've seen on TH-cam!! Fantastic!
Wow, thanks!
Erik your human there's hope for us all?
Well done for sharing & making such a memorable training video.
Thank you for the video! Man I would love to have Speedy build a rifle for me. He sure knows what he is doing
Thank you for sharing your expertise. Always informative and always entertaining
Excellent. Thank you guys very sensible questions and definition clarity. It always helps in making decisions, applying funds and building a training program.
That was some EHXcellent gun cleaning advice!!
Been shooting these kind of rifles since 1991. Think I'd developed a few bad habits along the way.
Now that the kids are out of school, and all are married off, it's time to start backup.
"If I don't know the answer I'll make it up." 😆
I use cheap sca disel fuel injector cleaner and copper brush for my deep clean. I find it loosens carbon really well and black soot runs out of the barrel. Then I hoppies 9 cleaner with patches and finally bore snake and oil.😮
Thank you both such a great wealth of information from experience !
Great to see ya' this morning . I hope all of you there at Exile stay safe and dry today .
Thanks Speedy!
Thanks Erik. Good vid.
Thank you for sharing such valuable information.
Great video, maybe best ever but you have many good ones. I started using Patch out a year ago and I gained a world of knowledge this morning.
This is all new to me. I have semi auto guns that I've ran suppressed for thousands of rounds since they've been cleaned.
CLR will clean the carbon off this breaks easily. Just soak them for about an hour or two and you’ll see how much carbon comes off of them.
You should ask Speedy to do one on Rifle and Scope bedding! plzzzz!!!!
Another great video Erik. The thing about filling up the cracks with graphite was new. I did not pick up what Speedy use. Was is a mix with Kroil and graphite powder?
A product called lock-ease 🙂
As an average proficient shooter my biggest concern with not cleaning is potential damage during storage. I just don't feel comfortable storing my firearm dirty for months. Yeah, if I'm going hunting in two weeks and I want to maintain point of impact, sure, you don't clean. But to me storing a dirty barrel for months and months is asking for trouble. At least patch it out a few times with CLP to get rid of most of the carbon fouling and coat the barrel with oil.
Love listening to speedy
Thks Erik
you guys are great such knowledge you guys have and thanks for sharing
Priceless intel for my deer hunting.really.not to blu nose complicated why I think I got it.😁
Awesome video, love to hear Speedy explain things and why it's done that way.
Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.
Thanks a bunch Erik!
I've been searching for some of ISSO's products and some of the other components used here mentioned (I saw your link for the graphite, thank you). I'm having a difficult time finding anything. Where do you get your products? Can you put a link on any of your parts and products list up?
BTW...your tuner brakes are awesome.
Hard to argue with guys like you and Speedy!!
What type jag is used when running a patch back and forth like speedy? A spear tip will drop the patch mid barrel if you draw it back.
Great knowledge shared here. Thank you.
I like when speedy says "you or I who are maybe a little better than the average shooter"
Great information! Much appreciated. What brand, or run of barrels or makers do you suggest? Knowing that every barrel is unique... Into BR.. Pretty new to this.
Thanks
I learned some new things, wish I could pick his and your brain. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for the knowledge
Great video! Thank you!
great video on a top-of-the-line approach! I will borrow some tips but develop it DIY
He has more $$ invested in his cleaning setup than I've spent on my rifle. LOL
What about the concept that a fully clean barrel is not as accurate as one with a few shots causing a slight cooper fouling
Been watching Eric a while thought I shot well then found out lol have improved because of him now I found another thing I was doing wrong if I asked it to 100 I might figure it out good stuff thanks
Sharpshootr products are gonna be the next unicorn.......Accelerator and Patch Out are really that good.
Where do I get those long rods and barrel catcher
Any future video discussions planned with speedy G on the Houston warehouse? The first one was very interesting.
......hhmmm.....seems not cleaning the brush each time would be like scrubbing the dirt around in the barrel...??....guess this shows,....like he said - "this is the way he does it",......so many ways to do it with ultimately the same results. I am left wondering - after all the cleaning bench rest shooters do, & the many ways, must certainly effect barrel life,..??...kind of like how long the paint job will remain "like new" on a car if you never wash it vs. thoroughly washing-out the rag or using fresh one constantly or washing the entire car by just slopping the same old dirty rag or mop into the bucket & washing the entire car with it....lol.....DEFINITELY believe in CLEANING barrels for any discipline. Thanks fer sharing.
Great video, what kind of gun holder is he using.
Great video. Can I ask what the spacer is on his cleaning rod that slides up and down?
its part of the bore guide, makes for a tight fit and keeps the rod centered better
Every time I "establish my es first" when I move the bullet, the es changes.
Excellent video..
Have you guys tried the "Carb-Out" product offered by Sharp Shoot'r?
What were they referring to at 18 min. 28 sec. Eric said something and then Speedy repeated it.
Also what are they referring to as "establishing their E.s."
Thanks
Very interesting stuff. Eric do you ever do gun law videos or 2A advocacy?
Speedy says PRS shooters don’t shoot well enough to be able to tell if their rifle is falling off?
I’d like to see Speedy shoot a PRS match. I respect Speedy and his knowledge but that was cheap.
I don't know anything but I got that in BR he wants his groups to be the size of 1 bullet, where in PRS the group is whether the steel is hit or not, harder to tell if group begins to widen until you've missed the steel and lost the match
@@johnh4957 I get that BR is a different game, but he spoke to ability, not rules of the game. I’ve said for years that one MOA will win every PRS match because the positions are the challenge. I guarantee you put speedy in that environment and hand him your typical open rig, Speedy wouldn’t be able to tell if the rifle was falling off from its .2s and .3s at baseline to .5s during a match. On the flip side, on the rare paper stages and zero confirmations, we can tell if our rifle needs cleaned.
I appreciate and agree with both men’s position to clean before a barrel falls off, but not Speedo’s motion about the ability of PRS shooters.
@@graynotescartridgebox Nothing to do with ability but the level of precision required. PRS shooters aren't going to notice a quarter of an inch increase in group, it doesn't matter to them, a BR shooter will definitely notice. Horses for courses.
@@redrock425 that wasn’t the way he said it. Do you shooters PRS?
I have to remind these guys often that it’s not about waiting until accuracy falls off…it’s figuring out where the accuracy typically falls off and then always cleaning prior to that. In my experience it’s just as consistent as cleaning after every range trip.
Where can I get one of those cleaning rod holsters and what are those blue items on the cleaning rods?
How does bronze cut grooves in steel
I've never cleaned my guns, is that safe?
I hate how the other disciplines look at PRS. We want our rifles as accurate as possible to remove that variable. The difference is that we are having to do it off a fence, rock etc. minute of plate is made exponentially more difficult with a rifle that doesn’t shoot well under 1/2 moa. I would venture to say if they came into your world they could compete just fine. I definitely respect you guys. But I wish you could show the same respect
I have a 6.5 creed moor and I got 6.5 mm patches and 6.5 mm brushes and I have to force them and I don’t wanna without knowing if it’s ok for it to be very tight?
Does Speedy still do gunsmith work? How do you reach him.
You need to change barrel makers if your barrel can be gouged by something as simple as a copper or bronze brush.
Where can a person get some First Choice barrel solvent
Where can I get that gun cleaning rest?
Tell me what kind of graphite liquid is this?
Speedy needs to make a video diary before he hangs it up.
So what about Iosso? Does it harm Barrels?
Has Speedy given a description 9n how he chambers a barrel?
I just have the universal cleaning kit and cheap plastic bore guide
The idea that bronze brushes can't hurt the barrel never made any sense to me. Paper is a lot softer than scissors and your cutting board and vegetables are a lot softer than your knife, but somehow the scissors and knife still get duller over time. ;)
With all due respect to all, this stuff does not work on hard carbon, I have EVERY product they make. I have Hawkeye and Teslong. Fire 150 rounds on that 6 PPC on a p. dog town, check your methods/Chemicals
can you say Otis??breach to muzzle cleaning system
The prophet speaks
Where do you get that cleaning rod storage rack from?
I believe that P&M sells them. I think that the want $124.00 for one that holds 3 rods.
What make & model Bore Scope does he use (60deg forward looking)???
Probably the one that costs $650.00.
Havent seen him in a while.
No Iosso paste? I thought all benchrest shooters used it.
Does it smell like Hoppee's # 9?
please recommend a good bore scope.
Teslong makes good ones and are very economical.
I hope I’m not racist for liking the name “Speedy”! But love this information
I demand benchrest accuracy out of my prs rifle....and its pretty fucking close.
WHAT LATHE SPEEDY USE?
I think it's interesting you spend that time to clean out the carbon to just go ahead and add it back in in the form of graphite. Seems like you youre cleaning out of paranoia more than actually helping, but im no pro so correct me on my reasoning if it's off.
So are we allowed to use bronze brushes or not lol
Thank you gents.
So you establish the powder charge you want with low es and then you adjust the seating depth, but doesn't changinging the depth change the pressure inside the case and in turn change the es?
I would think you would want to set the depth through testing first and then adjust the powder charge. But then what charge do you test seating depth at?
Forgive me if these are answered in another video
I think the thought is powder is the major contributor so you start there to find a good node. Then you fine tune with seating depth. Finally you get a tuner and micro tune for match conditions. Like Speedy said, in bench rest the charge is a variable they change during the match because they are chasing velocity to produce a single hole.
This is awesome, thanks for sharing Speedy and Erik!
I am fascinated by his caddy for his cleaning rods.
Me and you both dude! That's quite the setup.
In PRS you need to go about 250 rounds without cleaning. If you clean between day 1 and day 2 at a lot of matches you will have no fouling shots available starting day 2. Your first 3 to 5 shots are generally at a lower velocity after a cleaning and this can mean a terrible first stage of day 2. The reality of PRS is that 1/2 MOA is all that is needed to hit every target. Our rifles will stay 1/2 MOA for well over 250 rounds so don't worry about cleaning until after the match. I like to clean my barrel before a 2 day match and have at least 20 rounds fired before I start the match.
I'll disagree with everything you just said.
1 after cleaning the barrel has less resistance, so in my case I get higher velocity.
2. Most ranges have a 100 yds line or more before the match starts, both days for people to shoot before the match starts, so you can foul your bore and get dope.
3. Depending on the powder and barrel combo you might have to clean after the first day. I use winchester staball because I can find it and it's affordable and it yields great velocity with single digit ES SD numbers across a 10 shot string. The down side is its dirty. I tried going 2 days with out Cleaning and got a carbon ring built up which was grabbing the bullet and creating erratic pressures. I got a 0 on 1 stage, a 2 on the next and a 3 on the next stage. Then it broke and I cleaned the last stage which was a prone long distance stage, from 1000 out to 1250. My point is if I cleaned that rifle I wouldn't of dropped 20 spots on the 2nd day. It cost me big time. But it all depends on powder and barrel combo, for me I will clean every single day
You might want to Google the name of the guy you responded to.
@@fandango_buttlicks you just told one of the top prs shooters in the world hes wrong 😂😂😂
Austin i agree ill clean a barrel after a match and usually go foul before I leave for the match check data and call it a day
@@joemass1023 and so what. If you read what I posted how is what I'm saying wrong? If I could get a cleaner burning powder then I would def clean less but I can't. And im not paying gunbroker prices for H4350 and I don't have the time to Hover on the internet looking for a deal on the right powder. So for me cleaning at 250 rounds is not gonna happen with the powder I got. In most of my rifles with a clean bore coated in lock ease I will get higher velocity untill it's fouled. IDC if he's a top shooter I have opinion on what works and he has his
Great video Erik! First, I shoot PRS, and I clean my barrel to some degree after every session...If that's 50 rounds of practice or a 100 round match, I at least run some patches and give it a good brushing. A "light" cleaning doesn't seem to affect my first round accuracy. After a deep cleaning, 5 shots and I'm back on track. I also look at the carbon ring and assess how bad it is and then deep clean for that ring. I tend to believe that the pros saying they "clean every 500-600 rounds or when accuracy falls off" are, well, maybe not telling us the real story. Thanks again for getting one of the greats to give his perspective along with yours.