PROTO-ITALIC, CLASSICAL LATIN, MODERN ITALIAN

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    PROTO-ITALIC by Glossologia
    • Pater Nostere - The Lo...
    is the ancestor of the Italic languages, most notably Latin and its descendants, the Romance languages. It is not directly attested in writing, but has been reconstructed to some degree through the comparative method. Proto-Italic descended from the earlier Proto-Indo-European language.
    CLASSICAL LATIN by Latinum
    • Latin The Lord's Praye...
    is the form of Literary Latin recognized as a literary standard by writers of the late Roman Republic and early Roman Empire. It was used from 75 BC to the 3rd century AD, when it developed into Late Latin.
    MODERN ITALIAN by Pietro :D
    is a Romance language of the Indo-European language family that evolved from the Vulgar Latin of the Roman Empire. Together with Sardinian, Italian is the least divergent language from Latin.
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  • @purpleapple4052
    @purpleapple4052 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +141

    In case anyone is curious, seems like the last non-Latin Italic language to survive was Oscan which survived into the 1st century AD
    Oscan writing was found in walls of Pompeii that were reconstructed after an earthquake in the year 62 - so written sometime between 62 and 79 (the year of the eruption) and probably was spoken for some more time after that

    • @krissem11
      @krissem11 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Yes, non Latin Italic languages might have survived for some time as second languages spoken in low social situations, ie at home or between family or friends, before ultimately dying out in the first centuries AD. It's a shame because they're incredibly cool languages, although them being very similar (at least from a grammatical standpoint) to Latin lead their speakers to adopt the latter ultimately leading these languages to extinction.

    • @justinnamuco9096
      @justinnamuco9096 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Also quite amazing how it borders Germanic in the /kw/ -> /p/ shift.

    • @alexsyed1530
      @alexsyed1530 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      it has usrvived though dialects

  • @ggarzagarcia
    @ggarzagarcia 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +128

    The recording for Amen in Latin was different than the reciters voice 😂

    • @dalubwikaan161
      @dalubwikaan161 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      yup. funny😊

    • @Caine61
      @Caine61 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      He hit puberty

    • @dalubwikaan161
      @dalubwikaan161 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@Caine61
      holy fuck-a-molly 🤣🤣🤣

    • @PC_Simo
      @PC_Simo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I noticed that, too 😅😊.

    • @Fragu1308
      @Fragu1308 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      😂😂😂😂😂

  • @jose_2030
    @jose_2030 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Make one with:
    Brazilian portuguese
    Mozambican portuguese
    Angolan portuguese
    Timor portuguese
    Europe portuguese

  • @nemo_venit_apud_ti983
    @nemo_venit_apud_ti983 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    When your grandparent shows you the family shrine where you see your great-grandfather's photo:
    Quando tuo nonno ti mostra il santuario di famiglia dove vedi la foto del tuo bisnonno:

  • @guillermorivas7819
    @guillermorivas7819 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Oddly enough, Archaic Latin (somewhere between Proto-Italic and Classical Latin) its verb conjugations are awfully similar to Spanish when it comes to the way it looks and tendency to use "o" rather than "u". And the Archaic-Latin words "duenos", "suepnos" and "suecer" look very close to Spanish "bueno", "sueño", and "suegro"

    • @ironhead2008
      @ironhead2008 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It may well be an example of peripheral dialects retaining a lot of archaisms lost in the ancestral language's more direct descendants.

    • @tylere.8436
      @tylere.8436 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@ironhead2008Or coincidental forms, but evolved in various stages. Old Latin duenos > Plautus Latin bonos > Classical Latin bonus > Proto-Romance bwonus > Ibero-Romance bwono(s) > Spanish bueno

  • @gandolfthorstefn1780
    @gandolfthorstefn1780 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Modern Italian sounds the best. Proto Italian had a dental fricative. Unexpected.

    • @user-pk9qo1gd6r
      @user-pk9qo1gd6r 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Proto-Italic not Proto-Italian

    • @cheerful_crop_circle
      @cheerful_crop_circle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What is a fricative?

    • @xleplex7070
      @xleplex7070 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cheerful_crop_circle A dental fricative is the 'th' sound in English.

    • @zaqwsx23
      @zaqwsx23 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      In this video Italian is spoken by a native speaker. Classical Latin is not spoken by an Italian. It's probably spoken by a native English speaker which put on a Super Mario accent and exagerates the lenght of the long vowels. Classical Latin spoken by Italians in the TV series "Barbarians" sounds way better.

    • @velthavoltumno
      @velthavoltumno 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I speak as an Italian who knows both Italian and Latin very well, personally I prefer Latin to Italian since Latin is a pure inflectional language and this makes it more coherent in its grammatical rules.
      Let me explain better, English is a purely analytical language, that is, it does not have any type of inflection, let's take an example, the phrase "I eat the bread" in Latin would be "Manduco panem" if you notice in English you had to use 4 words while in Latin only 2 this is because in English verbs are not conjugated and nouns are not declined, Italian is a strange language where verbs are conjugated while nouns are not declined, so the same sentence in Italian would be "Mangio il pane" and as you can see there are 3 words in Italian, it's something in between, which is why I prefer Latin much more.

  • @andevien2542
    @andevien2542 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Vulgar latin could perfectly be one of the many modern italian dialects/languages. I understood more than from someone speaking in venetian (I’m from Sicily)

  • @joshshahryar4120
    @joshshahryar4120 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you so much, Andy! ❤

  • @Tortellobello45
    @Tortellobello45 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Great video from Italy!

  • @AnimusFerrus
    @AnimusFerrus 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very interesting to see the evolution side-by-side like this!
    Also, am I mistaken, or was there a video on Classical Latin that disappeared?

  • @Davlavi
    @Davlavi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another great video.

  • @0cullt
    @0cullt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Excellent video Andy!!!! about the languages ​​of Italy! Andy will you still make the video like you did of the languages ​​of the Iberian peninsula? I mean you do with the languages ​​of France, like French and Languedoc, Gascon, Gallo, the Walloon language, and Monegasque. I would love to see a video like this!! and I follow your Channel every day ! you are a person who helps in spreading some languages! and in the future you can also make a video of the languages ​​of Italy

    • @markadams6497
      @markadams6497 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do they speak the Walloon language in France?

    • @0cullt
      @0cullt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@markadams6497Yes! France and Belgium are neighbors and France also speaks Walloon, if you want you can Google it

  • @EstNix
    @EstNix 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Always love when demons do the voice overs

  • @elvyn8709
    @elvyn8709 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Proto-Italic seems better than Classical Latin because pronounced the nasal coda -m as /m/ (unlike the Classical Latin that pronounced -m after vowels as nasal vowel). Also, Proto-Italic vowels seems similar as Indonesian vowels (both have a, e, ə, i, o, u vowels but ə vowel is less frequent in Proto-Italic than Indonesian).

    • @guillermorivas7819
      @guillermorivas7819 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The coda m was pronounced in Classical Latin but some people minimize the enunciation of it. I still pronounce the final m coda because it sounds powerful.

    • @elvyn8709
      @elvyn8709 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@guillermorivas7819 Sure, the languages that still pronounced the coda -m as /m/ is the most conservative phoneme traits in many languages (such as Indonesian, Arabic, Malay, Hokkien, Cantonese, Russian, English, Korean etc.).
      Despite English orthography look unphonetic mess, but still have nasal coda -m in many words.

  • @iwillnotcomplyistandformyf6642
    @iwillnotcomplyistandformyf6642 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm not Italian (I'm a African-American lady) I like how all 3 languages sounds like 🎵🎶 to my ears 👂🏽

  • @_xXNeyXx_
    @_xXNeyXx_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Incredibile linguages! io desira plus videos in linguages ancestre!

  • @chienbanane3168
    @chienbanane3168 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you do one comparing classical and ecclesiastical latin?

  • @user-fl1dc9ju3g
    @user-fl1dc9ju3g 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video! I also made my own Vulgar latin.

  • @rifqymaulanaazhar573
    @rifqymaulanaazhar573 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    please, I request Avesta vs old Persian vs middle Persian vs modern Persian

  • @javierhillier4252
    @javierhillier4252 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I’d love to see a French vs Italian or French be Vulgar Latin

  • @alessandroteti6685
    @alessandroteti6685 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Comparation between proto Italic and anche ancient greek?

  • @papaxsmurf7678
    @papaxsmurf7678 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    THat latin was flawless pronounciation! Rarity in todays world

  • @MrAllmightyCornholioz
    @MrAllmightyCornholioz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    JUPITER BLESS THE SPEAKERS!

  • @davidlericain
    @davidlericain 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    That was Luke Ranieri reading those numbers! lol

    • @skinkroot
      @skinkroot 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i recognised him too!

    • @Galenus1234
      @Galenus1234 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would have preferred him recitating the Pater Noster, too.

  • @viperking6573
    @viperking6573 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hey Andy if you'd like I could do the same format but for the Nuorese Sardinian numbers and words :D just write to me if you want!

    • @ilovelanguages0124
      @ilovelanguages0124  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes! Please send me an email. otipeps24@gmail.com

  • @emanueledes7
    @emanueledes7 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That's Proto-Italic and Latin with Finnish accents! :D

  • @raufkhaybullin2325
    @raufkhaybullin2325 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Please Milanese&Napolitano🙏🙏🙏

  • @tongobong1
    @tongobong1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It is interesting how similar is Proto-Italic language to Slovenian language.

    • @enoppp167
      @enoppp167 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Don't make up some strange theories

    • @cheerful_crop_circle
      @cheerful_crop_circle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@enoppp167But they are both Indo-European

    • @Nwk843
      @Nwk843 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Never and nope totally adverses no way.

    • @lil_weasel219
      @lil_weasel219 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it isnt. im from the area, and ofc it isnt

    • @tongobong1
      @tongobong1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lil_weasel219 I am from the area so I can tell you that they are similar.

  • @Hemophobia-
    @Hemophobia- 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I'm so mature that 6 in latin made me die

    • @bacicinvatteneaca
      @bacicinvatteneaca 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It made you day??? 😳😳

  • @bacicinvatteneaca
    @bacicinvatteneaca 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Buff doge Vs buff cheems Vs regular cheems

  • @CinCee-
    @CinCee- 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    When was proto italian spoken?

    • @camilocastillo2935
      @camilocastillo2935 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Around 1500-1000 BCE, more or less

  • @sergiumecheres
    @sergiumecheres 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Overall, proto italic sounds just like another romance language

  • @fabiumtaurinorum5573
    @fabiumtaurinorum5573 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Proto Italian seems quite close to ancient Greek

  • @mysteriousDSF
    @mysteriousDSF หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can tell they didn't yet eat pepperoni pizza in the proto-Italic days

  • @joshuabradshaw9120
    @joshuabradshaw9120 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Do Proto Germanic, old high German, Middle High German, and modern standard German.

  • @MiThreeSunz
    @MiThreeSunz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    To my ear, Italian is a much more pleasant sounding language than Proto-Italic and Latin. 😊🇮🇹🇨🇦

    • @lavillenouvelle
      @lavillenouvelle 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      On the internet, you hear a lot of classical latin spoken by northern and eastern europeans. Ecclesiastical latin spoken by italians sounds much better.

    • @empyrionin
      @empyrionin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Sound much better.... to you!

    • @cheerful_crop_circle
      @cheerful_crop_circle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That is because Italian is an artificial language

    • @shivjain
      @shivjain 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Latin sound better to my ears

  • @oetteo76
    @oetteo76 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    with Pater Noster was better to use the ecclesiastic latin instead of the classic one

  • @lil_weasel219
    @lil_weasel219 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    proto italic actually sounds kind of greek at times

  • @galfridus8413
    @galfridus8413 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Proto Italic: Greek
    Latin: Spanish with French accent

  • @kaiosousafreitastorres870
    @kaiosousafreitastorres870 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Nipponic Latin??

    • @nyko921
      @nyko921 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      What?

    • @kaiosousafreitastorres870
      @kaiosousafreitastorres870 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@nyko921 the reader has a "nipponic" accent

    • @mattiav3130
      @mattiav3130 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaiosousafreitastorres870 That's because Latin was a language with a musical accent like Japanese.

    • @kaiosousafreitastorres870
      @kaiosousafreitastorres870 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mattiav3130 are you sure about it?? No surviving Latinic language has this kind of pronounce

    • @mattiav3130
      @mattiav3130 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaiosousafreitastorres870 Language Just evolve over millennia. I think the change started in Latin with the loss of distinctions between long vowels and short vowels.

  • @lil_weasel219
    @lil_weasel219 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the latin speaker pronounces things in a somewhat exaggerated manner compared to what i expected for latin

  • @prismaticc_abyss
    @prismaticc_abyss 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thats one strong german accent on the classical latin

  • @lambswanky1087
    @lambswanky1087 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    gwenjad should be adgwenad or at least Ad Gwenjad otherwise it doesn't show the origins of the phrase right...also I just don't know how I feel about the "Gw-" sound reconstruction...seems like it is just trying to account for the "Kw-" and "Ga-" sounds in the Nordic (Proto Germanic, Proto Balto-Slavic, and Proto Celtic) and Aryan (Proto Indo-Iranian) languages respectively as if they do truly share origins in the way that the supposed Indo-European model suggests.

    • @justinnamuco9096
      @justinnamuco9096 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      if kw and ga are consistent, then common origin seems to be the only reason about it

  • @francescocaiaffa5389
    @francescocaiaffa5389 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Like italian person i love this languages....but the latin pronunciation is too much formal in my opinion......i dont like it very much......

  • @RodiniaA
    @RodiniaA 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why is the latin pronounciation so weird? My latin teacher never spoke like that (æ and œ is pronounced e ppl)

    • @gtc239
      @gtc239 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      It's the Classical Pronunciation. Like v in Latin wasn't pronounced as the v sound we know today, it was the w sound.

    • @RodiniaA
      @RodiniaA 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gtc239 in latin V had two sounda the "u" and the "v" soubds (not the weird english you sound but the oo)

    • @RodiniaA
      @RodiniaA 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gtc239 like one letter (V) two sounds

    • @gtc239
      @gtc239 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@RodiniaAI know about V representing the vowel /u/ and the consonant /w/, but the consonant that was represented with the letter V wasn't the strong fricative sound we know, it's the regular /w/ sound. (As in English "wait")

    • @RodiniaA
      @RodiniaA 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gtc239 I know it was said exactly like the Romanian "u"

  • @egehan7676
    @egehan7676 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    did he said the swear word starts "sex"?!?!!??😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭💀💀💀💀💀💀💀😭💀😭💀😭💀😭💀💀💀💀💀💀😭