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- A century before Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab rose in the Najd with his new Wahhabiyya revivalist movement, a nearly strikingly identical movement emerged in the ottoman empire and thrived for nearly a century. Were they connected? Lets find out
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Thank you for this video. Thankful to know that there were voices calling towards the Sunnah in the Ottoman Empire.
Thank you for watching glad you enjoyed it
This was a good summary, thanks. I've serval deep dives on this subject across a couple of playlists myself. ))
Thank you for watching appreciate your praise :)
@@ardattarikh You're welcome brother
The Ottoman decline occurred with rise of Sufis, Shias in Safavids and Aleviun
Safavids rise at the same time of Ottoman, the First Safavids Shah, Ismail As Safawi was at the same time with Selim Yavus
@@saliksayyar9793the ottomans were always sufis and they started off very heterodox , the rise of the safavids would push them to become more staunch in sunnism, which played role in the Qadizade movement.
@@ardattarikhSufi's, together with a lot of the specific culture of the Ottoman Islam, have a lot to do with Orthodox Christianity, and its philosophy.
The Ottomans have covered the exact territory of the Byzantines.
Sufi's are basically Orthodox monks.
@@ras573yes because the ottoman elites were always "Rumis" from western anatolia and southeastern who mostly came from orthodox christian backgrounds. Furthermore ottoman muslims always lived side my side with christians so the influence is there. However you can say the same that Subcontinent and indonesian islam has a lot of hindu remnants in it too.
sunnis are in general weak, they cant even theologically compete with shias, thats why they rely on propaganda and ignorace of people. If you just knew your religion, you would undertand why safavids, who was sunnis in origin and decendants of a great sunni scholar converted to shia
No one opposes salafism except the worshippers of their desires. They don’t want the religion of the prophet peace be upon him and the sahaba, they want their own religion where they can do whatever they please
Imagine what these sahaba would react to modern day Sufis claiming what they do is Islam:
Salamah al-Hamdani reported: We used to sit by the door of Abdullah ibn Mas’ud, may Allah be pleased with him, before dawn prayer. When he came out, we would walk with him to the mosque. Abu Musa al-Ash’ari came to us and he said to him, “O Abu Abdur Rahman, I recently saw something in the mosque that I detested and yet, praise be to Allah, I saw nothing but good.” Ibn Mas’ud said, “What was it?” Abu Musa said, “If you wait long enough, you will see it. I saw people sitting in the mosque in circles waiting for prayer. A man in each circle had pebbles and he would tell them to exalt Allah one hundred times and they would do so, then declare there is no God but Allah one hundred times and they would do so, then glorify Allah one hundred times and they would do so.” Ibn Mas’ud said, “What did you say to them?” Abu Musa said, “I did not say anything to them. I was waiting for your opinion or order.” Ibn Mas’ud said, “Would you not order them to count their sins and guarantee for them that their good deeds would not be wasted?” We went along with him until he reached one of these circles and he stood over it, saying, “What is this I see you doing?” They said, “O Abu Abdur Rahman, they are pebbles by which we count the exaltation of Allah, declaration of His oneness, and His glorification.” Ibn Mas’ud said, “Count your sins, for I guarantee that none of your good deeds will be wasted. Woe to you, nation of Muhammad! How quickly do you run to your destruction! Here are his companions, may Allah be pleased with them, numerous around you, these are his clothes yet to fade, these are his utensils yet to break. By the One in whose hand is my soul, perhaps you are upon a religion better guided than the religion of Muhammad? Or have you opened the door of misguidance?” They said, “By Allah, O Abu Abdur Rahman, we intended nothing but good.” Ibn Mas’ud said, “How many intend good but are not right! The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, informed us that people would recite the Quran and it would not reach beyond their throats. By Allah, I do not know that perhaps many of them are among you!” Then he turned away from them. ‘Amr ibn Salamah said, “We saw most of them in these circles attacking us on the day of Nahrawan with the Khawarij.”
Sufis unfortuanetely have a bad reputation these days due to some extreme practices, however Tassawaf is an important part of Islam and islam reached different parts of the world at the hands of various sheikhs, if you read Thomas Walker Arnold "Preach of islam" you will see the important role of these preachers. However at the same times certain Sufi sheikhs caused a lot of havoc for muslim empires politically. The Salafi sprectrum while it's very attractive to many people who are fed with Taqlid in their societies has its own set of issues and extremists too and are they are not united either. We should understand what Tssawaf and salafism is 1st before jumping to conclusions.
@@starkidforlife136 depends what you mean with salafism. We should all follow the salaf. The current salafi movement is far from salaf. Some oppose the madhabs and others disregard the tasawuf part of islam. We need with tje sectarism and takfeering giant scholars.
There is too much of this these days especially from internet Dawah personalities and its completely getting out of hand, Sufi vs salafi, ashari vs athari and all this. However internet Dawah personalities are better able to connect to youth better than some of the big name scholars and they are good at being personable
Believe me brother , I've been searched for these informations for many years ... and u give me that in few minutes, thanks
@@Beylarbeycezair your welcome brother im glad the video was useful for you thank you for watching:)
Was imam Birgivi a maturidi?
Great video جزاك اللهُ خيراً
@@waressz تبارك الله ليك ، yes Birgivi was maturidi, he was pretty much a very conservative Sufi who had some likings to İbn Taymiyya's ideas. We also have to put the Janissaries in context as well and the rise of the safavids which Led to many ottomans being more aware of being Sunni
they were right except that they made takfeer, unless someone's aqeeda is incorrect, you can't consider them a kafir. But it's good that they opposed grave worship and sufi shrines
They came at a time, when the empire faced many internal challanges and the Janissaries being Bektashis were out of control. Many of them themselves were still slighly Sufi Inclined and of ashari aqeeda, but they were against all the innovative practices certain other groups were doing and the laxity of society.
@@ardattarikh where can i read more on them? I don't know much on them.
@@kronoxodus319 there is a book honored by the glory of islam
By Mark David Baer, there are some journals too, if you like i can email them to you
Nice 👍
Thank you mon ami
The whole think let people to Bidaa is because lack of knowledge and not being objective also one of the then have to do with where you come from if you are from asia and middle-east it easy for the people to believed in unauthorized and non Provence Maracle Pryor and other stuff because many become muslim from polytheism like there are so mush going on in india and pakiston because many are not objective and become muslim from hindu even in there cultures they are superstitious. Even thow I my self is in tariqa they are bad and good every where. Cleaning bad out of someting is good but unfortunately base on my understanding many of ours salafi brother's are rejecting completely the concepts of tasaawuf.
Very True, With Subcontinent muslims coming from hindu origins superstitions run strong in many people, but the same is said in other parts of the world too. Previous beleifs always blend in. As for salafiyya it seems to more popular in the west than in muslim majority countries because i think tariqats are always very localized to a certain region. Like the chisti in india, the tijaniyya in senegal, the shadilli in north africa etc.
The invent the things in islam
And the salfis fixed the right things after throned on Muslim world
@@ranaa.u.hassan4980 Salafis were never throned on the muslim world, the Qadizadis still had slight sufi inclinations but they sympathized with ibn tammiyyah and were critical of other sufi groups.
@@ardattarikh grave worshippers will not accept this! But this is reality imam Abdualaziz founder of third Saudi state have pushed these turks from the two holy sites... Don't cry
@@ranaa.u.hassan4980 no it was sharif hussein and the british who pushed the turks out. Abdul Aziz and the saudi state needed the british to make their state just like jordan did. You really comparing saudi to the ottomans like thats a joke tbh.
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