Frankism ended up surprisingly relevant to Polish literature. First, there is Adam Mickiewicz, widely considered to be the greatest Polish poet. Both his wife, Cecylia Szymanowska and possibly his mother, Barbara Majewska (although this is disputed) came from Frankist families, that received ennoblement, following their conversion. Later acclaimed writer, poet, critic and translator Tadeusz Boy-Żeleński also had Frankist ancestry. Much more recently, Nobel-prize winning author Olga Tokarczuk wrote a novel specifically about Frank and his followers; "The Books of Jacob". I've read it but honestly, I'm not sure if I recommend it. I had a lot of conflicted feelings and opinions about it. I also don't feel competent judging its accuracy in presenting Jewish culture and religion.
@@theklorg305 I honestly don't know. If you are asking if it's safe, then I'd say yes, I think. I know that the whole world is currently going more or less crazy and there is a whole laundry list of reasons why our current government in Poland is a highly problematic dumpster fire, generally has bad press and the whole country is more politically divided than it ever was since the end of the communism (not even mentioning what is currently happening on our eastern border) but the normal everyday life in most places and most people are pretty chill. I don't think there is some rise in antisemitism or something like that. I definitely can recommend checking out the POLIN Museum (Museum of the History of Polish Jews), if you come to Warsaw, and checking out their website, TH-cam channel and so on regardless. It's really an amazing institution that is concerned with the entirety of Jewish history in Poland, including the current Jewish life in this country (which is a thing).
BTW apparently, _The Books of Jacob_ were just recently published in English translation (first in UK, the US edition is coming). I would like to clarify that I'm not considering it to be a bad book. I found it interesting enough to get through its over 900 pages to the very end. The length might be actually one of the reasons of my mixed feelings. I've read much shorter books that I felt left me with more, including _Primeval and Other Times_ another novel by Tokarczuk. Also, there were some parts of the book that seemed like a commentary on modern issues, rather than the times described.
@@micahistory Seriously, I don't see any reason why one should not go near any camps. Of course, there is much more in Poland than the sites commemorating the Holocaust (I assume this is what you were referring to).
Yeah.. xians blamed Jews for eating blood (which they don't!!) yet xians have a WHOLE ritual where they TRULY believe they drink the actual blood of and body of christ (cannibalism). Yet nothing is said about that.
@A. David Ever um.. they believed in Jesus, so they were xians. The movement was already heretical by the time of Nero and out and out NOT Jewish by 90 CE. A Jew can't be for Jesus anymore than a Vegans for Beef or Nazis for Inter-racial marriage/relations or Popes for Planned Parenthood.
Little they knew that Jews were probably one of the earliest people to stop with human sacrifices. Trying to find logic in such accusations it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
@@creativewriter3887 Absolutely! Catholic teaching is that the bread and wine literally become what they represent. Protestants see the items as symbolic, but it is still weird.
If I had a nickel for every time a Jewish sect following someone they thought to be the Messiah also came to believe their leader would return from death, I would have at least 3 nickels. That's not a lot, but it's interesting that it's happened more than once.
Donma in Thessaloniki had the best schools and Attaturk studied in one of their school. Something Islamists especially Arabs use as an attack on him and kemalist secularism in general
"cherem" against study of mysticism is far older, in mishna, chagiga 2:1, then reiterated in gemarah, then by Rambam in mishne torah, yesode torah 4:21, then in guide to perplexed 2:8... Story of sabateans just stresses the why... You see it today, for example, with rav Berland case. Charismatic cult leader, breakaway from Breslav hassidism, curently on trial for rape and murder. I have seen recordings of him saying that he is G-d embodiment on earth so everything he does is allowed. This is exactly how christianity, sabatatianism, frakism, etc started.
A small correction: The word עין in the context of the book ואבוא היום אל העין means fountain, rather than eye. That usage of the word lack in modern Hebrew
Discovered your channel after the useful charts collab over thanksgiving weekend and I'm glad to have finally caught up! Can't wait until you do a video on my hometown of New York!
Love your work! Keep crushing it Sam! Could you do a video about the Karaim? A friend of mine is an Egyptian Karaite and I know he would love to watch you acknowledge his people.
I really enjoy your videos. One very minor observation though is that you showed crosses in your video, although you said "crucifixes". A crucifix has a figure of Christ on it, but without it, it is just a cross.
As an added aside...the Crucifix is generally used by Catholics, and Protestants use just a cross. I don't know why or how Protestants came to make the distinction The Eastern Christians also use the crucifix.
hi man i just discovered your channel and first off you make great content thank you, but could you add a few sources with your videos? not that i dont believe i would love to know more on thoses subjects
Found the channel after being recommended the Jewish Empire video and then this one. TH-cam apparently knows I will click if I see a woman in the thumbnail LOL I'm not Jewish myself [although I have a bit of Sephardic ancestry as many Brazilians do] but once I saw the beautiful continuity of the videos I ended up binging the entire channel in 3 days, definitely one of the best findings of 2021, keep up the good work! PS: The visual appeal of the channel is exquisite. Being used to so many channels with simplified styles, seeing a more realistic one like this is extremely appealing and brings an awesome sense of closeness to the stories being told.
Does anyone know if there is an english translation of the text mentioned at 14:06 "And I Will Come To The Eye Today" or any books that discuss it in detail? I have heard it referenced several times but I dont think its been translated yet.
I've been trying to find a source for this piece of Frankist trivia that I see mentioned time & time again in works on Sabbateanism, but can't find where it comes from. I don't really know the best way to look for it. They say the Frankists used tarot cards & called the High Priestess card Gevirah.
That village is Lanckorona Podolska (feminine). I am not sure, how did you get the form Lanckoronię (it is kind of lanckoronling, small offspring of Lanckorona :D), but the adjective would be podolskie (neuter), not podolski (masculine). Ignoring this funny (for Polish people) mistake, the video is great. :D I assume that the mistake in translation could be from "incident in Lanckorona"->"incydent w Lanckoronie"->"The Lanckoronie incident". Also, the "podolski" adjective could be a borrowing from nearby Kamieniec Podolski (masculine) name. Not sure, why "ę" though. It just sounds like a new-born Lanckorona. :D
In eastern Transilvania there where a sabbathist movement upto the late 1980s. They considered themselves Christians but had close ties to jewdaism and the were victimised in the Holocaust. Is there any connections between the two groups? The szombatisták of Bözöd and the old sabbathists?
There was less of Chassidism than I had hoped for, but the episode did not disappoint. I'm looking again forward every week to more Jewish history in Poland and wider Europe.
I love this material and have a request: Could you do a video listing all the various people designated "Messiah" first in the Bible and in history by popular acclimation by the Jews. Such a video would place Jesus as "Christ" within its proper historical context since the vast majority of Christians don't know what Messiah means and they imagine that "Christ" is a Divine designation when it isn't. Thanks!
I feel like this might eventually go into your corrections, questions and omissions, so I'm going to go deep. Just a small correction to start, ואבוא היום אל העין should be translated 'And I came today to the spring' (spring as in source of water), it's a verse from Bereshit 24, 42 - Avraham's servant is describing his meeting with Rivka. Now, to the main issue: the Emden Eybeshutz controversy. I feel it should be noted that Eybeshutz was a relative (either descendant, by marriage, or a student) of many of the leading Rabbinic figures at the time. So their reluctance to brand him as a Sabbatean makes sense, given that might implicate them. Also, Eybeshutz gathered many letters of support from many rabbis proclaiming he wasn't a Sabbatean, and even published them in a testimony called לוחות עדות. I feel like the video didn't make that clear enough. But to the actual issue with this video, and my main point of contention: was Eyebshutz really a Sabbatean? ואבוא היום אל העין is pretty much agreed to have been written by Eybeshutz, even by many Jewish Orthodox scholars, and indeed, when I asked my Rabbi (who studies and teaches Kabbala based on the writings of Rabi Moshe Kordovero), he said it was so. Nevertheless, there is a complete agreement in Orthodox Judaism today (and even as short a time as 50 years after Eybeshutz's death) that he was not a Sabbatean. How is this possible? Well, the answer is that unlike Frankism, Sabbateanism is in the end a Jewish movement. It's rooted in Kabbala and other Jewish sources, and though it has its excesses and issues, in the end it's a part of Judaism, even if a fringe part. The messianic leanings of it are completely Jewish, and the messianic belief is still strong today, witness Chabad. Its main issues seem to have stemmed from Shabtai Tzvi himself being unstable and going off in a radical direction (perhaps influenced by Natan). What this means is that you could take a Jewish text, and interpret it as containing Sabbatean leanings, or as containing Kabbalistic leanings. Both would be valid interpretations. So with Eybeshutz's writings. He had many writings that were Kabbalistic in nature, and could be understood as Sabbatean, but were probably not. The most that could be said of him was that he had Sabbatean influences in his work. Moreover, modern scholars (such as Gershom Shalom) who claim to see Sabbatean influences in Eybeshutz's work are often working out of ignorance of Kabbala sources - if they had read the original Kabbalistic sources, they might realize that both Sabbateanism and Eybeshutz's writing were inspired by those Kabbalistic sources. In any case, claiming he was undoubtedly a Sabbatean, as this video does, is highly unlikely. Eybeshutz's main writing are all focused on Halacha, and as mentioned, he himself fought and declared Herem against Sabbatean communities. The idea that a Sabbatean would devote so much time to halacha (and be very strict too, much more strict than many others) is rather odd to say the least. Indeed, many say this was the reason Emden grew upset with Eybeshutz - as a young Rabbi, Eybeshutz had given a strict ruling on a kosher matter (a chicken without a heart) that Emden's father, the Chacham Tzvi, was lenient on. I could go on and on, but I don't wish to belabor the point. I feel that the case presented here of Eybeshutz being undoubtedly a Sabbatean is biased at the least, and possibly incorrect. The opinions of the leading Rabbis of the time (including no less a personage than the Gra of Vilna) should be taken into account, as well as the fact that despite the claims of modern secular scholars, Orthodox Judaism sees Eybeshutz as an integral part of Halacha and Orthodoxy, and have no doubt at all about him not being a Sabbatean.
Ah, but the idea that Sabbateans were anti halacha is so wrong. some were, but NATHAN OF GAZA was hyper-nomian. the key to tikkun olam was absolute observance! In his thought, antinomianism was strictly for the messiah, Shabtai Tzvi
@@shemuelthesabbatian1254 Question. According to his thought, why was it that antinomianism was tolerable for the Melech Hamoshiach, when it was not tolerable for others?
@@Kimism-Jiangism because the point of the messiah was to take on evil, and transform it to goodness! the messiah’s soul was born after a drop of divine dew from yesod impregnated the demonic abyss of lower tehiru. his soul was formed in impurity, and then he purified himself, thus transforming the evil he was born in and rectifying the world
There are occasional rumors, but most of the (admittedly few) people who claim to be Sabbateans today are newly so rather than having inherited the tradition. Even Frank's movement never numbered more than 26,000, a tiny fraction of Zvi's original following by any measure.
One that has perplexed me is the "low" style of women's head covering, the tichel. It looks kind of like a hijab and you see it a lot in America but almost never in Israel, where they seem to prefer an "upward" style.
@@SamAronow I hate modern clothing. It's a attack on traditional ethnic, traditional cultural and traditional religious clothing. There was a research that shows a stronger desire to native culture if they wear traditional attire instead of modern attire. Like a encouragement. Modernization has its drawbacks on traditions.
This is very interesting... Being a descendant of some of the Rabbinical figures... (To be honest, probably every Ashkenazi Jew watching this is also...) For example, Rabbi Jonathan Eibeshetz was a student of Rabbi Meir of Eisenstadt, whom my grandmother's grandmother was an Eisenstadt... And his decendent...
No, that's more of a Gnostic thing. Sabbateans thought that the path to good lay in breaking the laws of morality. It's a common occult practice up to the 20th century. Sabbatean thinking permeated Western occultism for centuries probably thanks to the Frankist conversion.
@@andrewsuryali8540 Nah, Sabbateans believed in violating ritual, not morality. Though you can certainly say that they acted immorally in some of the events depicted here.
Thank you guys for your civil responses, I just read over my comment and it doesn't sound the way I meant it. I'd just heard of this guy through a Robert sepher video and was quite disgusted. My mum was Jewish but died when I was born and I've always wondered about that side of me. Things online are very conflicting! Lol.
👍👍👍 as always. @16:10 ....Sabbatianism as Jewish movement was all but extinct.... 'all but' BUT didn't our Supreme Court Justice Brandeis have Sabbatian parentage? If so, then there must have been some residue of stalwarts who were not gentiles.... It would be great to see yet another episode!
Sam, what an honor to hear from you! btw, I never knew that S Zvi had a following among the English 5th Monarchists. WOW! just spitballing, but, do you think there might be a Sabbatean connection to some of the Puritan antinomians? ((probably not, but the time frame is close))
Hey, you really need to work on the pronunciation of your A’s. You are not saying /æ/ correctly, instead pronouncing it as /a:/. Oddly, you do say it correctly in “Sabatean,” so this is an affectation rather than a speech issue.
Wow, respectfully you are very much approaching this topic with biased lenses. Why not talk about Sabbateins and the Frankist movement. This was never a gentle movement. Your lying! Zvi is wicked. We are talking about setting up his own people and sexual abuses of children. Please be honest about he history with this stuff, all it does is hurt the Jewish community. Very sad!
@@SamAronow you couldve spoken more about the wicked acts and not just the orgies though. It is a small piece of the story but still very interesting. Anway, did they practice blood libels and child abuse? Ive been wondering this for like a year with no luck, id appreciate if you responded. Your videos are awesome!
![ค้าง (STILL) - GEMINI [ OFFICIAL MV ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ftxx3hk5vkU/mqdefault.jpg)
![เปิดบ้าน โคตรสวย ป๋องกพล รู้จักตั้งนาน เพิ่งรู้ว่ารวย!!! l [Nickynachat]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tmgCF_2HfYI/mqdefault.jpg)
Where can one get a Torah wife asking for a friend
Go back a few thousand years if you want a woman from the Torah
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Reminds me of some of my parents "parties"
They were hippies
@@daxbruce3491 Like those of mine, welcome in the club.
These videos are so high quality I could binge them like a Netflix docuseries
@@dblack8141 What about it is satirical?
@@dblack8141 I don't know anything about Jewish and Sabbatian history so I can't tell. Where do the Scythians come into this?
@@bradley3637 he just some antisemite, don't take notice of him
May not be Jewish but love the way you tell the history of the Jews in it's entirety.
Well damn, the guy above me ☝🏾 is one hell of an antisemite
Frankism ended up surprisingly relevant to Polish literature.
First, there is Adam Mickiewicz, widely considered to be the greatest Polish poet. Both his wife, Cecylia Szymanowska and possibly his mother, Barbara Majewska (although this is disputed) came from Frankist families, that received ennoblement, following their conversion.
Later acclaimed writer, poet, critic and translator Tadeusz Boy-Żeleński also had Frankist ancestry.
Much more recently, Nobel-prize winning author Olga Tokarczuk wrote a novel specifically about Frank and his followers; "The Books of Jacob". I've read it but honestly, I'm not sure if I recommend it. I had a lot of conflicted feelings and opinions about it. I also don't feel competent judging its accuracy in presenting Jewish culture and religion.
Artur, I assume for obvious reasons your Polish. Would you have any advice to a Jew traveling to Poland today?
@@theklorg305 I honestly don't know. If you are asking if it's safe, then I'd say yes, I think. I know that the whole world is currently going more or less crazy and there is a whole laundry list of reasons why our current government in Poland is a highly problematic dumpster fire, generally has bad press and the whole country is more politically divided than it ever was since the end of the communism (not even mentioning what is currently happening on our eastern border) but the normal everyday life in most places and most people are pretty chill. I don't think there is some rise in antisemitism or something like that.
I definitely can recommend checking out the POLIN Museum (Museum of the History of Polish Jews), if you come to Warsaw, and checking out their website, TH-cam channel and so on regardless. It's really an amazing institution that is concerned with the entirety of Jewish history in Poland, including the current Jewish life in this country (which is a thing).
I didn't know about this. Thanks for sharing.
BTW apparently, _The Books of Jacob_ were just recently published in English translation (first in UK, the US edition is coming).
I would like to clarify that I'm not considering it to be a bad book. I found it interesting enough to get through its over 900 pages to the very end. The length might be actually one of the reasons of my mixed feelings. I've read much shorter books that I felt left me with more, including _Primeval and Other Times_ another novel by Tokarczuk. Also, there were some parts of the book that seemed like a commentary on modern issues, rather than the times described.
@@micahistory Seriously, I don't see any reason why one should not go near any camps. Of course, there is much more in Poland than the sites commemorating the Holocaust (I assume this is what you were referring to).
One variant of the blood libel was that Christian blood was used to make matzah.
Clearly this was thought up by someone who never ate matzah.
Yeah.. xians blamed Jews for eating blood (which they don't!!) yet xians have a WHOLE ritual where they TRULY believe they drink the actual blood of and body of christ (cannibalism). Yet nothing is said about that.
@A. David Ever um.. they believed in Jesus, so they were xians. The movement was already heretical by the time of Nero and out and out NOT Jewish by 90 CE. A Jew can't be for Jesus anymore than a Vegans for Beef or Nazis for Inter-racial marriage/relations or Popes for Planned Parenthood.
...as Mr. Brot-man informs us
;-)
Little they knew that Jews were probably one of the earliest people to stop with human sacrifices. Trying to find logic in such accusations it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
@@creativewriter3887 Absolutely! Catholic teaching is that the bread and wine literally become what they represent. Protestants see the items as symbolic, but it is still weird.
With the torah wives and sexual hospitality, I guess this would be a true Second "Coming" of Shabtai Zvi. **Winky Face**
If I had a nickel for every time a Jewish sect following someone they thought to be the Messiah also came to believe their leader would return from death, I would have at least 3 nickels.
That's not a lot, but it's interesting that it's happened more than once.
Jesus, Shabtai Zvi, Schneerson
@@franciscoscaramanga9396 rabbi Shneerson of course
@@yehoshuawinter8143 Sanhedrin 98 if moshaich is from the dead he will be one like Daniel ish chamodot. Yechi hamelch
@@franciscoscaramanga9396 weird how all three names are entirely relevant
@@franciscoscaramanga9396 Sabbatai Zevi
Love this channel! You need a podcast!
Me to sabbateanism After this video talked about naked torah wives and sexual hospitality: I may have judged you too harshly
Me: I had no Idea the hippies were sabbatean
Another great video Sam, keep them coming. Helps me learn a lot about Jewish history. Shalom
Donma in Thessaloniki had the best schools and Attaturk studied in one of their school. Something Islamists especially Arabs use as an attack on him and kemalist secularism in general
I'm an Islamist but I love Frank, Sabbatai, Sabbatean history and Jewish history in general
"cherem" against study of mysticism is far older, in mishna, chagiga 2:1, then reiterated in gemarah, then by Rambam in mishne torah, yesode torah 4:21, then in guide to perplexed 2:8... Story of sabateans just stresses the why... You see it today, for example, with rav Berland case. Charismatic cult leader, breakaway from Breslav hassidism, curently on trial for rape and murder. I have seen recordings of him saying that he is G-d embodiment on earth so everything he does is allowed. This is exactly how christianity, sabatatianism, frakism, etc started.
Thank you. Knowledge is King
Happy Chanukah, Sam!
That was excellent. Can't wait for the next episode.
A small correction:
The word עין in the context of the book ואבוא היום אל העין means fountain, rather than eye. That usage of the word lack in modern Hebrew
Discovered your channel after the useful charts collab over thanksgiving weekend and I'm glad to have finally caught up! Can't wait until you do a video on my hometown of New York!
Love your work! Keep crushing it Sam!
Could you do a video about the Karaim? A friend of mine is an Egyptian Karaite and I know he would love to watch you acknowledge his people.
I really enjoy your videos. One very minor observation though is that you showed crosses in your video, although you said "crucifixes". A crucifix has a figure of Christ on it, but without it, it is just a cross.
As an added aside...the Crucifix is generally used by Catholics, and Protestants use just a cross. I don't know why or how Protestants came to make the distinction
The Eastern Christians also use the crucifix.
Sabbatae Tsevi
Sabbataï Tsevi
Shabtai Zvi
Only a charleton goes by so many names
amazing channel!!!
hi man i just discovered your channel and first off you make great content thank you, but could you add a few sources with your videos? not that i dont believe i would love to know more on thoses subjects
Found the channel after being recommended the Jewish Empire video and then this one. TH-cam apparently knows I will click if I see a woman in the thumbnail LOL I'm not Jewish myself [although I have a bit of Sephardic ancestry as many Brazilians do] but once I saw the beautiful continuity of the videos I ended up binging the entire channel in 3 days, definitely one of the best findings of 2021, keep up the good work!
PS: The visual appeal of the channel is exquisite. Being used to so many channels with simplified styles, seeing a more realistic one like this is extremely appealing and brings an awesome sense of closeness to the stories being told.
Does anyone know if there is an english translation of the text mentioned at 14:06 "And I Will Come To The Eye Today" or any books that discuss it in detail? I have heard it referenced several times but I dont think its been translated yet.
Wow, interesting channel. I'm glad I found it.
I've been trying to find a source for this piece of Frankist trivia that I see mentioned time & time again in works on Sabbateanism, but can't find where it comes from. I don't really know the best way to look for it. They say the Frankists used tarot cards & called the High Priestess card Gevirah.
YAY!!!
NEXT VIDEO!!
This channel is really good
Another amazing video.
When talking about the french revolution,will you talk about how they (sort of) restored the sanhendrin?
Can you make a list of the music you use I’m obsessed with the song that played during the lanckoronie incident
ואבוא היום אל העין
means in context, "I came to the spring today."
That village is Lanckorona Podolska (feminine). I am not sure, how did you get the form Lanckoronię (it is kind of lanckoronling, small offspring of Lanckorona :D), but the adjective would be podolskie (neuter), not podolski (masculine). Ignoring this funny (for Polish people) mistake, the video is great. :D
I assume that the mistake in translation could be from "incident in Lanckorona"->"incydent w Lanckoronie"->"The Lanckoronie incident". Also, the "podolski" adjective could be a borrowing from nearby Kamieniec Podolski (masculine) name. Not sure, why "ę" though. It just sounds like a new-born Lanckorona. :D
In eastern Transilvania there where a sabbathist movement upto the late 1980s. They considered themselves Christians but had close ties to jewdaism and the were victimised in the Holocaust. Is there any connections between the two groups? The szombatisták of Bözöd and the old sabbathists?
There was less of Chassidism than I had hoped for, but the episode did not disappoint. I'm looking again forward every week to more Jewish history in Poland and wider Europe.
There will be more Hasidism next time.
That ritual almost made me through up. So against the Torah
Can you make a video about berdichev or rabbi Levi Yitzhak of berdichev?
Hi great Video. Can you tell me what the name of the violin played song is ( 7:00 ), cant get it out of my head.
Two Steps from Hell- "A Hole in the Sun"
@@SamAronow a schainen Dank!
I love this material and have a request: Could you do a video listing all the various people designated "Messiah" first in the Bible and in history by popular acclimation by the Jews. Such a video would place Jesus as "Christ" within its proper historical context since the vast majority of Christians don't know what Messiah means and they imagine that "Christ" is a Divine designation when it isn't. Thanks!
7:29 Finally, a religious sect with fashion sense.
Best fashion
@@franciscoscaramanga9396 horrifying? No the exact opposite
@@franciscoscaramanga9396 what witchcraft and occult practices all I see is fun
@@franciscoscaramanga9396 that makes absolutely no sense
@@franciscoscaramanga9396 All religion is crazy. Read about the rituals connected to Attis and Cybele. In contrast, circumcision seems tame.
I feel like this might eventually go into your corrections, questions and omissions, so I'm going to go deep.
Just a small correction to start, ואבוא היום אל העין should be translated 'And I came today to the spring' (spring as in source of water), it's a verse from Bereshit 24, 42 - Avraham's servant is describing his meeting with Rivka.
Now, to the main issue: the Emden Eybeshutz controversy. I feel it should be noted that Eybeshutz was a relative (either descendant, by marriage, or a student) of many of the leading Rabbinic figures at the time. So their reluctance to brand him as a Sabbatean makes sense, given that might implicate them. Also, Eybeshutz gathered many letters of support from many rabbis proclaiming he wasn't a Sabbatean, and even published them in a testimony called לוחות עדות. I feel like the video didn't make that clear enough.
But to the actual issue with this video, and my main point of contention: was Eyebshutz really a Sabbatean? ואבוא היום אל העין is pretty much agreed to have been written by Eybeshutz, even by many Jewish Orthodox scholars, and indeed, when I asked my Rabbi (who studies and teaches Kabbala based on the writings of Rabi Moshe Kordovero), he said it was so. Nevertheless, there is a complete agreement in Orthodox Judaism today (and even as short a time as 50 years after Eybeshutz's death) that he was not a Sabbatean. How is this possible?
Well, the answer is that unlike Frankism, Sabbateanism is in the end a Jewish movement. It's rooted in Kabbala and other Jewish sources, and though it has its excesses and issues, in the end it's a part of Judaism, even if a fringe part. The messianic leanings of it are completely Jewish, and the messianic belief is still strong today, witness Chabad. Its main issues seem to have stemmed from Shabtai Tzvi himself being unstable and going off in a radical direction (perhaps influenced by Natan). What this means is that you could take a Jewish text, and interpret it as containing Sabbatean leanings, or as containing Kabbalistic leanings. Both would be valid interpretations.
So with Eybeshutz's writings. He had many writings that were Kabbalistic in nature, and could be understood as Sabbatean, but were probably not. The most that could be said of him was that he had Sabbatean influences in his work. Moreover, modern scholars (such as Gershom Shalom) who claim to see Sabbatean influences in Eybeshutz's work are often working out of ignorance of Kabbala sources - if they had read the original Kabbalistic sources, they might realize that both Sabbateanism and Eybeshutz's writing were inspired by those Kabbalistic sources.
In any case, claiming he was undoubtedly a Sabbatean, as this video does, is highly unlikely. Eybeshutz's main writing are all focused on Halacha, and as mentioned, he himself fought and declared Herem against Sabbatean communities. The idea that a Sabbatean would devote so much time to halacha (and be very strict too, much more strict than many others) is rather odd to say the least. Indeed, many say this was the reason Emden grew upset with Eybeshutz - as a young Rabbi, Eybeshutz had given a strict ruling on a kosher matter (a chicken without a heart) that Emden's father, the Chacham Tzvi, was lenient on.
I could go on and on, but I don't wish to belabor the point. I feel that the case presented here of Eybeshutz being undoubtedly a Sabbatean is biased at the least, and possibly incorrect. The opinions of the leading Rabbis of the time (including no less a personage than the Gra of Vilna) should be taken into account, as well as the fact that despite the claims of modern secular scholars, Orthodox Judaism sees Eybeshutz as an integral part of Halacha and Orthodoxy, and have no doubt at all about him not being a Sabbatean.
wow
Ah, but the idea that Sabbateans were anti halacha is so wrong. some were, but NATHAN OF GAZA was hyper-nomian. the key to tikkun olam was absolute observance! In his thought, antinomianism was strictly for the messiah, Shabtai Tzvi
@@shemuelthesabbatian1254 Question. According to his thought, why was it that antinomianism was tolerable for the Melech Hamoshiach, when it was not tolerable for others?
@@Kimism-Jiangism because the point of the messiah was to take on evil, and transform it to goodness! the messiah’s soul was born after a drop of divine dew from yesod impregnated the demonic abyss of lower tehiru. his soul was formed in impurity, and then he purified himself, thus transforming the evil he was born in and rectifying the world
shalom!
I think it'd be cool if there was a movie about Shabtai Zvi, I looked it up and I can't seem to find any.
@Graf von Losinj What do you mean?
are some still around ?
There are occasional rumors, but most of the (admittedly few) people who claim to be Sabbateans today are newly so rather than having inherited the tradition. Even Frank's movement never numbered more than 26,000, a tiny fraction of Zvi's original following by any measure.
"Lanckoronię" is a declination (and not correct btw). The name of the city is just: Lanckorona.
fascinating. thank you for your great videos. i always look out for them.
I have a question. Why is traditional attires from Jewish cultures around the world rarely present in Israel?
One that has perplexed me is the "low" style of women's head covering, the tichel. It looks kind of like a hijab and you see it a lot in America but almost never in Israel, where they seem to prefer an "upward" style.
@@SamAronow I hate modern clothing. It's a attack on traditional ethnic, traditional cultural and traditional religious clothing. There was a research that shows a stronger desire to native culture if they wear traditional attire instead of modern attire. Like a encouragement. Modernization has its drawbacks on traditions.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 I love seeing women in yoga pants.
@@jamesbinns8528 😂😂😂
I should know this, but what is the song in the first part of the video 1:38 ? I’m drawing a blank
Sarabande by Handel
This is very interesting... Being a descendant of some of the Rabbinical figures... (To be honest, probably every Ashkenazi Jew watching this is also...)
For example, Rabbi Jonathan Eibeshetz was a student of Rabbi Meir of Eisenstadt, whom my grandmother's grandmother was an Eisenstadt... And his decendent...
This channel is suberb
8:06 הונלולו!
th-cam.com/video/LhBndo1Ai6c/w-d-xo.html
Shabat Zvi hasn't returned to life, so why believe?
Christians: Sweating Profusely
How
👋👋👋
Chanukah Sameach!
Can you please make a video about "war on kaballah"?
I always thought that there is consensus among jews that kaballah is valid thing
Was the sabatean guy the one who thought everything was inverted? Evil = good? Wonder how many practice this still today.
No, that's more of a Gnostic thing. Sabbateans thought that the path to good lay in breaking the laws of morality. It's a common occult practice up to the 20th century. Sabbatean thinking permeated Western occultism for centuries probably thanks to the Frankist conversion.
@@andrewsuryali8540 Nah, Sabbateans believed in violating ritual, not morality. Though you can certainly say that they acted immorally in some of the events depicted here.
Kind explains Rasputin
Thank you guys for your civil responses, I just read over my comment and it doesn't sound the way I meant it. I'd just heard of this guy through a Robert sepher video and was quite disgusted. My mum was Jewish but died when I was born and I've always wondered about that side of me. Things online are very conflicting! Lol.
@@sarah-jaynemcdonald2594 we're all just seeking knowledge. You have a blessed day.
Interesting that
Rabbi Eybeschütz has
Blue Eyes…
like the famous
Rock’n’Roll Rabbi
Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham
Krysa means rat, kind of ironic how it almost fits him given the whole Jewish view of conversion and leaving the faith.
Why do I have this feeling that the woman in the thumnail is you as a woman just like you did in the roman exile video?
Paranoia. I got the source image from Adobe Stock. I was very surprised however to find exactly what I needed.
most based video ever, lets go!
As we come closer to 1776 is there gonna be an episode about the arrival of Jews into non-Spanish America?
great video as always, altho i pretty sure that Torah wife got me scared for life
Tfw your wife won't sleep with you unless you can recite the dimensions of the ark of the covenant from memory
Amazing historical content. So sad it seems the Jewish people keep getting attacked from every angle
Damn, that ending was sad...
This video made me feel so sad
lama ein leh discord ? :(
I have but one thing to say to most of this. And that is
What!? WHAT!? WHAT!!??!!??
i am preparing to go to mannheim to do some shopping in like 1hour
i click on your vid and the first thing i hear *mannheim*
now thats a coincidence
👍👍👍 as always.
@16:10 ....Sabbatianism as Jewish movement was all but extinct....
'all but' BUT didn't our Supreme Court Justice Brandeis have Sabbatian parentage? If so, then there must have been some residue of stalwarts who were not gentiles....
It would be great to see yet another episode!
I'm aware of this and will try to do more research in order to address it in the next recap.
Sam, what an honor to hear from you!
btw, I never knew that S Zvi had a following among the English 5th Monarchists. WOW!
just spitballing, but, do you think there might be a Sabbatean connection to some of the Puritan antinomians? ((probably not, but the time frame is close))
@@kneelingcatholic Not specifically.
I love this channel so much, you're a great presenter and keep an enticing pace too I must say.
Who knew my gentile ass was interested in Jewish history?
Hey Sam I wanted to ask you a question Regarding Jewish History. I'm unable to find your email or Instagram anywhere. Can you drop your email?
Shalom!
I don’t see r Yaakov emden with that hair but anyways great video
Protip: Eastern Europe is ALWAYS a different story...
I love you
Are you sure that עין translates as "eye" and not as "well"? If not, better check that.
lol, there's some details that don't match
I find this video interesting as a Messianic Jew. I was talking to a young man who sounded like he believed in something of this nature.
...a deep dive
Geshmak
Hmm. What does Sabbateanism remind me of? I just can't quite nail it down.
it's a fantastic channel. a groyse shkoyech, Rebe. if i had any money, i'd be transfering 18$ each month for You just to keep it goin'.. (bli neder),
Hey, you really need to work on the pronunciation of your A’s. You are not saying /æ/ correctly, instead pronouncing it as /a:/. Oddly, you do say it correctly in “Sabatean,” so this is an affectation rather than a speech issue.
Wow, respectfully you are very much approaching this topic with biased lenses. Why not talk about Sabbateins and the Frankist movement. This was never a gentle movement. Your lying! Zvi is wicked. We are talking about setting up his own people and sexual abuses of children. Please be honest about he history with this stuff, all it does is hurt the Jewish community. Very sad!
Gentile, not gentle; as in it fully separated from the Jewish community. I am no defender of this movement.
@@SamAronow you couldve spoken more about the wicked acts and not just the orgies though. It is a small piece of the story but still very interesting.
Anway, did they practice blood libels and child abuse? Ive been wondering this for like a year with no luck, id appreciate if you responded. Your videos are awesome!
who cares
Protip: Eastern Europe is ALWAYS a different story...
Can you make a list of the music you use I’m obsessed with the song that played during the lanckoronie incident
Yes please, Sam! I always love the music you choose but can never recognize any of it.
Can you make a list of the music you use I’m obsessed with the song that played during the lanckoronie incident
17:30
That would be Two Steps From Hell - A Hole In The Sun
Can you make a list of the music you use I’m obsessed with the song that played during the lanckoronie incident
Can you make a list 🤔😮😂🤣✨erine