Agreed! There should be at least four super leagues in order to keep competition viable and exciting. Leagues that disrupt through innovation will rise to the top until other leagues disrupt through innovation to respond to the others. This is how it has been for hundreds of years. Just look at the Fortune 500 history and ask yourself how many will remain in 20 years.
The GOAL of the BIG and the SEC is to break away from the NCAA and the rest of college football, to have two Coast-to-Coast Super Conferences (Semi Pro Leagues), to have an EXCLUSIVE Playoff between those two conferences (to HELL with everyone else and Notre Dame), and Two 24 - Team Coast-to-Coast Super Conferences Accomplishes that Goal. Here's my thought on things: The BIG is now at 18-teams and need six more to get to "SUPER CONFERENCE" Status (24 teams), and here's how I see it playing out. #1. The BIG wants Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia because of "LOCATION"..."LOCATION"..."LOCATION" (Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Richmond etc...), that plus their academics and AAU status!!! #2. High School Football Recruiting!!! #3. Georgia Tech OFFERS more to the BIG then Rutgers did then and/or does now... At least Georgia Tech has a Winning History!!! "NEWS FLASH"... PLUS, they'll get/take Cal and Stanford "CHEAP" after the collapse of the ACC... For the SAME Damn Reasons!!! Now their footprint is Coast-to-Coast, and they will have MOST of the Major TV Markets, PLUS, and this is The BIG Reason, they are "NOW", in "The HEART of DIXIE"!!! That's their plan to create one of two 24-Team Semi-Pro Super Conferences and EXIT the NCAA! The SEC counters by taking Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina State and Virginia Tech with the latter two teams helping to encroach into BIG Territory!!! After taking the four ACC Schools (Florida and South Carolina have ZERO to say about the additions of Clemson and FSU, just like Arkansas, Missouri and Texas A&M had ZERO to say about the addition of Texas... It's a "If You Don't Like It... You're FREE to Leave the SEC ANYTIME you'd like). To get to a 24-Team Super Conference, the SEC would need to add four more teams, and since MOST of the SEC are Land Grant Institutions, NONE of the Metro Schools left in the ACC fill the bill... THUS, the SEC has no place else to go EXCEPT WEST! So, "THE ONLY ONE PLACE TO TURN"... The Big-12, and to keep up with the BIG (Coast-to-Coast), they "POACH Arizona, Colorado, Kansas (to APPEASE Kentucky) and Utah! That's your two "SEMI-PRO, SUPER CONFERECNES", and at that point they "WILL BREAK AWAY" from the NCAA to create their own playoffs and championships in ALL SPORTS... After all, it's about "Making and KEEPING as much money as you possibly can, and to HELL with the rest of" College Athletics"!!! New BIG: EAST POD: Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, Rutgers, Virginia. LAKES POD: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue. PLAINS POD: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin. WEST POD: California, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington. NEW SEC: EAST POD: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, NC State, South Carolina. SOUTH POD: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech. Central POD: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri. WEST POD: Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Utah. All Eight POD Winners Advance to the Playoffs! What's left of the ACC, the Big (Little) 12-2 +4, the PAC-12 minus 10, the G-5 conferences and Notre Dame will create Eight New Regional Conference with 10-12 Teams under the NCAA Banner. Here's a possible Eight Conference League with Eleven Teams (Would need to add Three more *FCS Schools* to get to Eleven Schools), in each conference. AAC: Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Jacksonville State, James Madison, Liberty, Marshall, Troy. ACC (NEW): Army, Boston College, Buffalo, Charlotte, Duke, Navy, ODU, Temple, U-Mass, *Villanova*, Wake Forest. Big 11: Baylor, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, New Mexico, Oklahoma State, Rice, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech, Tulsa. CUSA: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, South Florida, Syracuse, U-Conn, West Virginia. MAC: Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Miami of Ohio, Northern Illinois, Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan. MWC: Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, *Montana*, New Mexico State, North Texas, *South Dakota State*, Texas State, UTEP, UTSA, Wyoming. NEW PAC: Arizona State, Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon State, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State, Washington State. Sunbelt: Arkansas State, Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Tech, Middle Tennessee State, Sam Houston State, South Alabama, Southern Mississippi, Tulane, UAB, Western Kentucky. ALL Eight Conference Champs Advance to the Playoffs! Time to get this ESPN, BIG and SEC Money Hungry ARROGANCE over with... Send them ALL Packing... REFUSE to play any of them in the future!!! They wanted their EXCLUSIVE Conferences and Playoffs, let them have it! The NCAA should disassociate themselves from both conferences as well and EXCLUDE all the schools in those two EXCLUSIVE Super Conferences (Semi Pro Leagues), from the NCAA Basketball Tournament as well as other "College Sports", going forward! Let ESPN create a Separate Basketball Tournament for them!!! The other 80+ FBS Schools have ZERO NEED to continue to play the BIG and SEC in any sports going forward and WILL Survive with their own "COLLEGE SPORTS CHAMPIONSHIPS"!!!
I'd bet syracuse as we stand today would demolish Vandy at literally all sports especially the ones that create revenue. Plus they would bring NY Vandy plays like 4th fiddle in there own state even memphis gets more love. Let me be clear vandy deserves a spot period they have stuck through it forever
My team is on there but that's the problem most people only watch their team and a lot of people aren't going to watch a college football super League if their teams not involved. A lot of people only watch college and don't even watch the NFL now why would they watch a super league if their team is not involved?
It is also about the limitations of vision that keeps the money at lower levels. Collegiate athletics could be a multi-trillion dollar industry. But, for whatever reason, media rights are keeping it at a multi-billion dollar industry because they are thinking smaller that what it could be worth as an international export.
Honestly WVU to the SEC makes perfect sense not just from a location stand point but for a ticket sell and even beer sells stand point WVU has the largest traveling fan base in ncaaf not only that but culture wise WVU is perfect fit and was almost in the SEC twice now already they were being considered over Texas A and M when they were being recruited but WVU went to the big 12 to fill in Missouris spot instead and then WVU was offered an invitation the year before UT and OU announced they were leaving but it was kept hush hush though nothing ever came of it sure WVU would take a year to get the depth to be able to compete at the top of the SEC but from a money stand point it makes a lot of since and will make the SEC more valuable just from jersey sales especially tickets wvus fan base travels and fills stadiums regardless how well the team is performing thats 150,000 tickets sold gaurenteed not to mention the beer sales alone mountaineers like to drink lol so this would be a major power move for the SEC to grab up WVU ASAP because you know for a fact the BIG10 will if not it just makes sense
As a fan of a 2nd tier (realistically 3rd tier) SEC school, I hate it. It's just more rich schools we can't compete with. Allowing teams to buy players has ruined college football. The rich schools are guaranteed to win when they are five deep at every position. Why should the rest of us even bother to watch?
You stick Duke in the Big East. No one is mad that Villanova and Georgetown don't play Big 10 or SEC football. Why can't you have 3 super leagues? 3 conference champs, 3 second place teams, 2 at large.
I think you will end up with something like European soccer leagues: Premier League SEC & Big 10 and Champions League Big 12 & ACC (both absorb PAC 12 & AAC). Both with their own playoff and championships.
I hear you there. The only problem is money! As a school falls out of the top tier they lose all the revenue of the tip conference and can't possibly make it up. Besides Spankey and Peddy wouldn't alow it there too busy in the money grab
@@ranger135 "As a school falls out of the top tier they lose all the revenue of the tip conference and can't possibly make it up." And that is the point. Most don't want those schools who produce no value but take the money: BC, USF, Cal, Arizona, etc..etc. Think how much more money the SEC could get if they got FSU, Clemson and NC and drop Vanderbilt, Miss State, and Kentucky.
I don't wish bad on no conference but if the ACC actually implodes I like the idea of SEC absorbing NC State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia they feel right.
If playoffs are expanding, they need to tell the coaches they can't schedule so many powerpuff games and then we can cut the regular season to 11 if not 10.
No. This is terrible. College football was special because of the regionality of the sport. The regional rivalries. The in-state rivalries. The pageantry and tradition. This is the ultimate deathblow to ALL of that. You people need to keep your mouths shut saying stuff like you did in this video. :(
For the 2 Super Boys, schedules are bad news, very rare will be a "cupcake schedule", seldom will a team make it through undefeated. With so many tough games and 1st stringers playing more minutes, injuries will be a bigger problem than in the past.
Not a fan of either of these but no one is considering Kansas or the Arizona schools? Also the SEC and BIG10 would really have to make some hard decisions regarding Vandy Northwestern remaining.
Not really. Founding members aren’t going anywhere. Both conferences are projected to be paying out over 100 mil per member by 2029 with their current members. There is no reason whatsoever to relegate or dump anyone. There are also by laws that are in place.
@@jansonroberts2616 when you're saying "these are the big boys" then those ought to be the by god big boys. A bunch of real football schools are going to get crapped on.
As a Clemson Fan its frustrating to me how much better our situation would be if we were located 50 miles to the north. If we were located across the State line in North Carolina were a prospect for both leagues. As it is the SEC finds more value in expanding footprint even if the football doesn't fit.
@@TimeWasp Religious sponsored academic institutions especially have a global audience and are not merely connected to a small audience of say 5 or 10 million people. Religious sponsored academic institutions connect with 100s of millions of people throughout the world. Collegiate athletics could make more from media rights than state schools who are insignificant on the world stage when compared to a state sponsored school.
As a West Virginia fan this would work for me onlything I would want is pitt put in the SEC, trade them for NC State or something. But I do think not having TCU in this conversation is not right. I know they got blow out in a national championship game but they still beat Michigan last year in the playoffs which Michigan won the national championship this year. But I guess everyone can get in. The good thing is these good teams don't have to play Marshall, I love it when Marshall goes into one of these elite football teams homes and takes a W. 😁🤣😂
Super league is coming. 48 schools, nationwide. 4 regional groups of 12. But it will a truely national conference instituting limits on schools in states by size. Limit of 3 schools to Texas, Florida, and California. NC to 2 schools. It will be also be based on academic requirements, brand, admission requirements. You will see broken hearts in every conference. South: Florida, FSU, UGA, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, UT, Clemson, SCAR, UK, UNC, and Miami. North: Ohio State, Michigan, Penn St, WVU, Illinois. ND, Indiana, Mich St, Iowa, UVA VT, and Wisconsin Midwest: Texas, TAMU, LSU, Arkansas, Kansas, Mizzou, Nebraska, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Okie State, TTech, KSU West: SC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, ASU, Oregon ST, Wash ST, and BYU.
Relegation with two super conferences would be ideal. Set teams but if you come in at the bottom of the conference you get booted and the winner of a lesser conference comes in
Okay! Two super leagues is cool but what college football REALLY needs is RELEGATION! As programs wax and wane, they not only have to compete for championships but to compete to stay in the highest division of the sport! College football is perfectly suited for this because we have already exchanged conference loyalty and regionalism for a financial "survival of the fittest" free for all. Why not take that same mentality to the field since it seems to be "every team for themselves" already. Two leagues with affiliated sub-conferences. The two leagues playoff to crown a national champion and the sub-conferences playoff for their champion to replace the lowest finishing team in the league with which they are affiliated. And the relegated team replacing the elevated team in that sub-conference.
Why on earth would the SEC take NC state without NC. Whoever takes NC State is getting NC it's just common sense. Same goes with Virginia and VT. Furthermore Florida State will end up in the SEC. Andy Staples underestimates the power of the SEC and ESPN.
@@Opinionatedsportsfan yes, only Big 12 team to appear in two of the last three Big 12 title games, rightful winner of the 2011 Natty, and home to the best mullet in college football
I like and could live with who all you put in the Big10 - the one change I would make given a total collapse of the the Big12, I would swap one of the Arizona schools for Pitt. I would add one more on the Pacific Coast, because with Ohio State and Penn State, the Big10 already has western Pennsylvania covered and wouldn't need Pitt.
I would say that before this even happens some of the existing Big10, SEC would need to be regulated. Secondly, some of the others doesn’t fit. KState in but not KU?
If this is football driven, KU has sucked at football for the better part of their entire existence. KState gets good ratings, wins conference titles, and has been very good for 30 years. I think both get in, though.
Don't screw up college football. Pick the 10 best teams and that's your super conference. Let them duke it out for the big prize. Once those gluttons are gone, the remaining schools will have a phenomenolly interesting & exviting season every year!
It sucks because so many teams are still left off while vandy and Rutgers remain. Or even Northwestern, Miss st, etc. Too bad the SEC can't take most of the southern schools (adding Baylor, tcu, etc.) The could have 3 divs of 12 (big 12, SEC, ACC) call them South, East, Central. S.E.C. Then the big ten take most of the big ten and pac 12. Also for all other sports add the big east, so they have 3 divs for everything but football
It's heading that way, but I believe it's going to be more teams. Tired of seeing so many blow outs. This way it would be less & no one will have an easy ride to make the playoffs
You can't talk about college football and college basketball/other college sports at the same time. They have to be split into different systems for both to get what they want. Basketball would be shattered by these proposals, and March Madness would have to go if schools split fully from the NCAA. The sports just don't work together anymore.
64 teams is gonna be the right number. 48 may be a good start for now. But 64 should be the right number. You need everyone in the P4 right now. Makes for better competition and easier scheduling along with tougher scheduling.
Yes. People keep thinking this is about shrinking the P4. It's not. It's.more about leaving behind G5 and FCS and dumping the 10 to 15 percent of academic / tiny / private schools that don't want to participate in this (eg Boston College, Vanderbilt, Duke); it's about going from 135 to probably 60 teams, not going from 70 to 48.
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I disagree with some of this. I think wherever Florida St ends up Miami does as well. It's a great rivalry that I'm certain both universities would want to keep intact. And my guess is it is the B1G over the SEC. I also think the B1G will go after NC because of the academic standards as well as their basketball program. ND make sense too because they have more natural rivals within the B1G. As well, that southeast market would be a huge win for the B1G. They recruit it heavily and the television rights would be a big win also. Pitt kind of makes sense too because of Penn St. And, for that matter, WV then would make sense because of their rivalry with Pitt. Who wants to give up the back yard brawl?? The rest is a total crap shoot! I also just can't see any ACC teams making a lateral move to the Big12 after paying all of that exit money to the ACC. I think both of those conferences eventually go the way of the PAC12, or compete on a lower level, because there just won't be enough meat there to keep them fluid and relevant. With all of that said, I cannot honestly say that I am a fan of having the two SUPER conferences. There're just far too many traditions, rivalries, and pageantry that is being sacrificed. And once it becomes more about the money than the rest of it, then the lore of college football will be lost. And once you give any of the decision making to the corporate sponsors it will become more about them than the universities themselves. Not to mention, there is no contingency plan for the remaining teams left out of the two SUPER conferences. What happens to them at that point? Does anyone even seem to care???
Well all I can hope for is that either UCF gets added to the SEC list if it ever goes down or somehow the Big 12 manages to keep all its programs and still increase its revenues over the next contract! If UCF is left out and Big 12 is in shambles, then I know those 2 conferences will destroy college football forever.
If/when we get to a super-league I can't see the SEC and BIG continuing to carry the dead weight in favor of adding better programs. Vandy, Rutgers, Northwestern, Indiana, and Illinois. Teams that were left off Andy Staples list that are better additions than those programs are West Virginia, Arizona, TCU, Colorado (if it continues to climb, but either way its a good brand in a state not currently represented), and BYU.
@@michaeldavis2966 Colorado destroyed their brand over the past 20+ years. The only reason Colorado is even on the radar now is because Deion Sanders is there. As soon as he moves on, Colorado will be back to being irrelevant and "Colorado's" fanbase will drop by 90%. Colorado's best rivalry is with Nebraska, another former heavyweight that is pretty much only noteworthy for how far they've fallen. Oh, and that rivalry is basically defunct in football because they hardly ever play each other anymore. I'm not saying Andy Staples' list is perfect or even that great, but you're talking about very regional fanbases at best with those schools. Of the teams you named, BYU might be the most popular/widespread due to religion. It's a big step to kick schools out and would likely result in lawsuits that are more trouble than they're worth, at least short term. That being said, I can say the same regional fanbase thing about a lot of teams in included in the graphic. I'm just not sure there are very many great options outside of ND, FSU, and maybe Clemson as far as football and viewership goes that aren't already in a new conference (like USC, Texas, and OU)
@@quentinbell5276 Why replace dead weight with dead weight? The dude seriously said Colorado, a team that won 5 games in 2 years, would be a good addition.
@@janinebrittanica4314Let's see. UNC & UVA are the flagship universities of two new states. Each has great basketball programs but lousy football programs yet the SEC wants both over NCSU and VT which have much better football programs but are not flagships. Same thing with KU vis-a-vis KSU.
@@hudson5112KU football is not valuable compared to K-State. K-State s competency and brand in football edges them out over KU's brand (purely basketball) and God awfulness in football (give or take four or so years out of the last 50) do not get them in over KSU
@@janinebrittanica4314 like he said... KU is the flagship University in the state of Kansas. It has a larger endowment. Larger student population Larger brand recognition. A true contender for a championship in a sport. As god awful as KU football is save for 4 or 5 years still has a winning record against KSU. you are dismissed.
I prefer four Super Leagues going at it year in and year out. Two super leagues is just insufficient to keep the attention of audiences for very long especially if one league is dominating over the other for very long. The fans will just think that the one is unbeatable and think the seasons are rigged and lose interest.
@@hummushero9428dude, the media market thing sailed 10+ years ago, that stuff mattered when cable was still relevant. Rutgers proves the point. No one gives a rats ass about Rutgers in NYC or Baltimore. K-State and Utah and Va Tech and Ga Tech and WVU are.more valuable bc their fans care and they can draw.
@hummushero9428 the entire state watches them. A good portion of the Ohio and Pennsylvania sides of the Ohio Valley and Washington DC are WVU fans. You'll also see more WVU gear in Maryland and New Jersey than Maryland or Rutgers stuff. WV transplants are everywhere, hence how they were able to out number UNC fans in Charlotte.
They’re trying to hard to be like the NFL. Why would someone want to watch something “like the nfl” when you can you just watch the real deal instead. Being unique is why people want to watch it. This’ll hurt them
The University of Texas cares about one thing, and that is the University of Texas. Every conference they've ever been in has been left to die, for all they care. That won't stop with the SEC. UT will push for one league eventually, replacing the SEC lesser teams with the best from the B1G and a few others.
I'm thinking 3 super leagues of 20 to 24 teams each. 60 to 72 programs would be every relevant team in the P5. Have a 12 to 16 team playoff to end a 12 game regular season.
As long as the Big12 schools can accept their smaller media payouts, fewer CFP slots in the playoff, smaller CFP revenue payouts and figure out how they will keep up with the B1G and SEC paying the players once the revenue sharing becomes a reality, it’s possible. Not so sure the administrators of the Big12 schools or ACC remainder’s would accept any of that.
Among a lot of other problems, if you were making this up from scratch Rutgers, Vanderbilt, and Northwestern would not be included. Between the three of them they average 27,000 per game and fill up half their stadium. That's just pathetic. Throw Maryland in there and it doesn't change those averages much if at all as they get 28,000 and fill up 52%. Illinois - 30,000 and is another filling half. I guess there's a belief out there that a school like Northwestern will bring Chicago eyeballs on their games when they're on TV. I'd like to see that proof. Very few care about going to their games so why would they watch them on TV or when streamed. ESPN in the end may want schools like that out and replaced with others that have bigger fan bases. So those hanger-onners better be careful what they wish for.
I'll go out of my way not to watch a single game of this league since it leaves my favorite teams out. If the outcome does not effect my teams, I have no reason to watch.
Amen, brother!!!! Why would I want to watch when the program I root for is left behind with no chance to move up. I do think the networks realize the more they alienate the schools left behind, the less the viewership will be. I guess they didn't learn there lesson with the Bud Light debacle. The fan bases of the school's left behind will give them the bid F you
Louisville is better than several of those programs. It's also number 4 in football viewership in the ACC behind FSU, Clemson, and Miami. NC State would have to be in the same league as UNC which was 11th in football viewership in the ACC. How you can defend having Vanderbilt in there with a straight face is beyond me.
They need the CST proposal to stabilize college football. Conferences will keep getting destroyed until then. Then the sport doesn't matter because it will be regional and no longer national. Fans don't care about these match ups because who cares who wins between iowa and uw? No one.
Ssying you can"t have a P3 is so stupid! 2 footballcentric and 1 basketballcentric conference will work fine! So 3 champs and the best 2nd place team if you need semis and a final.
Separating Michigan and Ohio state is a travesty. Swap OSU out with Indiana Perdue or Rutgers. Hell I would rather have yearly OSU vs Michigan games than Michigan vs noter dame.
Thank you for saying syracuse at least wtf. We deserve a spot so does wash and Oregon state along w Stanford and wake. Bc can pound salt lol jk they kinda do too along w cal.
The SEC has zero (No Interest) in adding Miami! For perhaps the last 2-3 years, the discussion has been a conversation that 3 conferences will emerge: the B1G, the SEC, and now the Big XII. There is a good chance That the SEC & B1G will make more money than than the 3rd conference; which, appears to be more & more likely the Big XII. Should the ACC survive, they could become a Group-5 conference. Then the Conference Championship games may end & every school would play another on week 13th game of the regular season. With the multiple auto-qualifier’s. Coming up. The U.S. Supreme Court hold’s a large part of the NIL + has anyone seen the NCAA layout any details concern NIL?
Miami has 0 interest in the SEC. Bunch of tooth missing sister screwing schools with poor academics. Miami will end up in the Big10 especially given how many of their alumni live in the S Florida area.
Not a fan of the super conferences. If they break away I think there will be backlash and years later the decision will be regretted. You can't have a 48 team or 64 team super conference and only those teams compete in the playoffs. Can't have the 6th or 7th place team from the same conference vying for a national championship. You want to talk about watered down regular season well there it is. Making the playoffs/tournament should be special, a challenge, and a reward. My proposal is a 16 team playoff. All 9 conference champions and 7 at large teams. Same number of at large teams in the current format. This rewards conference champions and brings in a lot more fans from around the country just wanting to watch their team compete for the title. Does Western Kentucky or Boise State have a shot at the championship? No of course not, but they don't have much of one in basketball either. Just for fairness' sake let them in. It will bring a whole lot more attention to the playoffs, increase the importance of the regular season not just for smaller teams but even decent big-name schools like Penn State, Ole Miss, Notre Dame and so on who don't have as a for sure foot in the door to the playoffs. It makes things interesting as opposed to every team in the playoffs being from 2 conferences. FCS has a big playoff, why can't FBS? 130+ schools and only 12 teams from 5 of the 9 conferences can compete and no direct way to qualify for the tournament. Things need to change to balance out the playoffs and the power dynamic otherwise we end up with the super conference mess and college sports will be a whole lot worse.
The two super conferences just need to break away with their 48 members in football as a new division. The remainders like the Big12, ACC and the G-5’s just stay in Division 1/ FBS and have their own playoff like the FCS does. It will allow those smaller schools a real chance to compete for championships within their division. The gap is getting wider and will continue to get wider. Once player revenue sharing becomes a reality, a lot of those smaller schools shouldn’t be expected to keep up with those super schools. That’s crazy.
Duke, UNC, and UVA all prefers the SEC. Add them to the SEC. Replace them with Cal and Stanford. Kansas St, Texas Tech and WVU doesn’t bring anything to the SEC. Replace Kansas St with Kansas, and WVU with Georgia Tech. This chart seems to be heavily big ten biased.
@@janinebrittanica4314pop quiz. I want you to chose your answer wisely, what program is the bigger known national brand.. Kansas or Kansas St? …. also of the two, what program are corporate advertising and marketing heads are willing to pay top dollar for during large viewerships of ESPN games?
@@ronelite582 if basketball and football are decoupled, why would KU's brand be more valuable than K-State in a football super league? They are one of the top 30 programs in college football over the last 30 years. They win conference championships. They also consistently draw good ratings for their games, especially given their fanbase size. They have a recognizable football identity. The powercat is one of the most widely licensed logos in highschool football. They are basically an NC State or Virginia Tech, brandwise, in football. KU is not even as good of a football brand as North Carolina. You might as well be arguing with me that UConn or Indiana gets in vs KSU. I think both should get in. I think the super league should be 52 to 64 teams. But KU has sucked at football for a decade until recently, and has been below average other than for a couple of years under Glen Mason and Mangino. They have not won a conference title in...decades. Yeah, K-State was absolute trash forever until Snyder got there, but barely anyone under the age of 50 even remembers this.
@@janinebrittanica4314key word. Until recently. They have a program changing coach, as well as investing numerous amounts of finances in the program. They also have a football legacy in Gayle Sayers. Yes football is the financial windfall that many are choosing, but after Notre Dame, what are the national brands left thats out there? Completely writing off basketball is shortsighted and foolhardy. Again I ask, which program is more recognizable nationally?
@@ronelite582 you're missing the point. KU being competent at football after one year does not make them a football brand. This would be not terribly dissimilar from arguing, if it were 1996 that KSU should be in because they won they Copper Bowl in 1993 and because Kevin Lockett. The super league will be divorced from basketball. Gayle Sayers? Fine, but that's like me saying Darren Sproles. Jordy Nelson. Tyler Lockett. I could go on. This is no disrespect. This is not an either-or thing, though. KU should be in, because their brand is very good, even though their football is nearly consistently subpar K-State should be in, because their brand is good-enough, and they are a good football product that people watch. KU and K-State both deserve, and I believe, WILL be in over programs like Vanderbilt, Duke, Syracuse, Boston College, Wake Forest, SMU, UConn. What I'm saying is is that, when this is all said and done, this league will not be the SEC or B1G or even the XII or ACC anymore...these are just the current conferences holding MOST but not ALL of the teams in place until everything is transitioned over? I think 48 is the absolute smallest it will be, but I think personally that you're looking at 60 total teams in five to six team subdivisions, based on geography. It's actually going to be really fucking cool because regional rivalries will be preserved, because everyone is going to be sharing the same media deal, more or less. Again, this is NFL Jr, not 2 to 5 separate TV deals, anymore. You will need VA Techs and KUs and Utah's and KStates and NC States to build the full TV packages for great matchups across every game. The main thing is eliminating the first four weeks of the season when most schools are playing D2 or FCS teams that are normally not good TV.
@@jansonroberts2616 you don't get it! These small time private schools that don't care about football are not going to stay at this level! This isn't going to be the 'SEC' or 'B1G' or 'XII' anymore! The Dukes, Vanderbilts, Cals, Stanfords, Boston Colleges of the world are not going to join or remain in this setup! This is all about leaving behind the G5 and FCS And shedding the 10-15 percent of the FBS that cannot or doesn't want to play big time football. This is not about contracting the P5 down from 72 to 48 or whatever, and shutting out the Cleveland Browns. This is about contracting the 134 team FBS down to about 60 and getting rid of the XFL and CFL level teams of the G5 who do not have the stadiums, fanbases, or money to compete. Stop thinking so small.
Even the SEC has to bow to the media, and I suspect TV wants the SEC to have teams in states it is not already located. Plus K State and TTU already have rabid, SEC like fan bases, if not as large.
They need to make the acc absorb memphis tulane and a cpl others if bum ass Florida state and clemson leave. Then swoop up the 2 left over pac 12 schools then run w 4 even if big whatever 12 24 18 you want to call them and acc (probably change the name) are a lil lesser just play games between the 4 conferences period
Or another option would be to take the top 24 teams and start a semi-pro football League with them and then over time they can join the NFL. 😂🤣😂 Or maybe the NFL could join them since the NFL is so boring now.
The projections for both the B1G and SEC have them paying out over 100 million per member every year after 2029. That’s with their current members. There won’t be any relegation or dumping of founding members. There are also by laws that protect these conferences.
Those traditional power 5 schools like Virginia tech, Texas tech, Oregon State, NC State or Arizona we're left behind long ago. Fans were just under the delusion that anybody other then the likes of Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, USC, Georgia could win it all too. I hated the idea of super conferences but i also think another league of traditional P5s that aren't blue bloods and media heavyweights could be awesome and something I'd watch as they'd have a chance to actually win something.
@@mrmonkeysays when basketball is decoupled from football, KU does not get into this new format over K-State. They will probably both get in. But KU does not get in over K-State.
@janinebrittanica4314 Even apart from basketball, KU is a bigger, more lucrative brand (and institution and research partner), with higher upside, than KSU. Think also about rejoining KU and MU in the SEC, and bringing KU basketball in with UK, and potentially UNC. The difference in football value is marginal, best case, but the difference in every other way is large. These are 100 year decisions, not 10 year decisions. There are only 2 P2 options. If you think KSU has any chance of getting a Big 10 invite, you're kidding yourself. KU could enter that picture. So the ONLY chance KSU would be chosen over KU is if it all boils down to the SEC, and they disregard the value of adding one of a handful of blueblood basketball schools, and an AAU flagship university, so they can add KSU, who is one football coach away from complete irrelevance. Think of the buyer's remorse the SEC would have, if they added KSU, and they became a football punching bag. Which they would. KU would at least offer basketball, and they'd still have KU/MU football games, and the KC market, too. KSU over KU is just not going to happen. Especially now that KU is investing in football.
Corporate greed is destroying the traditions of college football
they already destroyed the regional aspect of CF. Not to mention the regular season......which is the real heartbreaker.
I am SEC guy, but I dont want just 2 super leagues.
Agreed! There should be at least four super leagues in order to keep competition viable and exciting. Leagues that disrupt through innovation will rise to the top until other leagues disrupt through innovation to respond to the others. This is how it has been for hundreds of years. Just look at the Fortune 500 history and ask yourself how many will remain in 20 years.
I am a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, and I agree 👍!!!
The GOAL of the BIG and the SEC is to break away from the NCAA and the rest of college football, to have two Coast-to-Coast Super Conferences (Semi Pro Leagues), to have an EXCLUSIVE Playoff between those two conferences (to HELL with everyone else and Notre Dame), and Two 24 - Team Coast-to-Coast Super Conferences Accomplishes that Goal.
Here's my thought on things: The BIG is now at 18-teams and need six more to get to "SUPER CONFERENCE" Status (24 teams), and here's how I see it playing out.
#1. The BIG wants Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia because of "LOCATION"..."LOCATION"..."LOCATION" (Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Richmond etc...), that plus their academics and AAU status!!!
#2. High School Football Recruiting!!!
#3. Georgia Tech OFFERS more to the BIG then Rutgers did then and/or does now... At least Georgia Tech has a Winning History!!! "NEWS FLASH"... PLUS, they'll get/take Cal and Stanford "CHEAP" after the collapse of the ACC... For the SAME Damn Reasons!!!
Now their footprint is Coast-to-Coast, and they will have MOST of the Major TV Markets, PLUS, and this is The BIG Reason, they are "NOW", in "The HEART of DIXIE"!!! That's their plan to create one of two 24-Team Semi-Pro Super Conferences and EXIT the NCAA!
The SEC counters by taking Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina State and Virginia Tech with the latter two teams helping to encroach into BIG Territory!!!
After taking the four ACC Schools (Florida and South Carolina have ZERO to say about the additions of Clemson and FSU, just like Arkansas, Missouri and Texas A&M had ZERO to say about the addition of Texas... It's a "If You Don't Like It... You're FREE to Leave the SEC ANYTIME you'd like).
To get to a 24-Team Super Conference, the SEC would need to add four more teams, and since MOST of the SEC are Land Grant Institutions, NONE of the Metro Schools left in the ACC fill the bill... THUS, the SEC has no place else to go EXCEPT WEST!
So, "THE ONLY ONE PLACE TO TURN"... The Big-12, and to keep up with the BIG (Coast-to-Coast), they "POACH Arizona, Colorado, Kansas (to APPEASE Kentucky) and Utah!
That's your two "SEMI-PRO, SUPER CONFERECNES", and at that point they "WILL BREAK AWAY" from the NCAA to create their own playoffs and championships in ALL SPORTS...
After all, it's about "Making and KEEPING as much money as you possibly can, and to HELL with the rest of" College Athletics"!!!
New BIG:
EAST POD: Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, Rutgers, Virginia.
LAKES POD: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue.
PLAINS POD: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin.
WEST POD: California, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington.
NEW SEC:
EAST POD: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, NC State, South Carolina.
SOUTH POD: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech.
Central POD: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri.
WEST POD: Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Utah.
All Eight POD Winners Advance to the Playoffs!
What's left of the ACC, the Big (Little) 12-2 +4, the PAC-12 minus 10, the G-5 conferences and Notre Dame will create Eight New Regional Conference with 10-12 Teams under the NCAA Banner.
Here's a possible Eight Conference League with Eleven Teams (Would need to add Three more *FCS Schools* to get to Eleven Schools), in each conference.
AAC: Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Jacksonville State, James Madison, Liberty, Marshall, Troy.
ACC (NEW): Army, Boston College, Buffalo, Charlotte, Duke, Navy, ODU, Temple, U-Mass, *Villanova*, Wake Forest.
Big 11: Baylor, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, New Mexico, Oklahoma State, Rice, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech, Tulsa.
CUSA: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, South Florida, Syracuse, U-Conn, West Virginia.
MAC: Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Miami of Ohio, Northern Illinois, Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan.
MWC: Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, *Montana*, New Mexico State, North Texas, *South Dakota State*, Texas State, UTEP, UTSA, Wyoming.
NEW PAC: Arizona State, Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon State, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State, Washington State.
Sunbelt: Arkansas State, Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Tech, Middle Tennessee State, Sam Houston State, South Alabama, Southern Mississippi, Tulane, UAB, Western Kentucky.
ALL Eight Conference Champs Advance to the Playoffs!
Time to get this ESPN, BIG and SEC Money Hungry ARROGANCE over with... Send them ALL Packing... REFUSE to play any of them in the future!!! They wanted their EXCLUSIVE Conferences and Playoffs, let them have it!
The NCAA should disassociate themselves from both conferences as well and EXCLUDE all the schools in those two EXCLUSIVE Super Conferences (Semi Pro Leagues), from the NCAA Basketball Tournament as well as other "College Sports", going forward! Let ESPN create a Separate Basketball Tournament for them!!!
The other 80+ FBS Schools have ZERO NEED to continue to play the BIG and SEC in any sports going forward and WILL Survive with their own "COLLEGE SPORTS CHAMPIONSHIPS"!!!
I hate the concept of only two super conferences!
Can someone please explain just how Vandy makes it into this league????
Vanderbilt is not good at football or basketball but they are a founding member of the SEC. They will never be asked to leave, nor should they imo.
I'd bet syracuse as we stand today would demolish Vandy at literally all sports especially the ones that create revenue. Plus they would bring NY Vandy plays like 4th fiddle in there own state even memphis gets more love. Let me be clear vandy deserves a spot period they have stuck through it forever
My team isn't on there so I would not be watching-- not a single game.
My team is on there but that's the problem most people only watch their team and a lot of people aren't going to watch a college football super League if their teams not involved. A lot of people only watch college and don't even watch the NFL now why would they watch a super league if their team is not involved?
Mine's not even in the leftover league. lol
It's all about the money. It drives all things in college sports.
It is also about the limitations of vision that keeps the money at lower levels. Collegiate athletics could be a multi-trillion dollar industry. But, for whatever reason, media rights are keeping it at a multi-billion dollar industry because they are thinking smaller that what it could be worth as an international export.
football*** realignment is a product of football revenue
Just sucks that no new schools will be able to rise to the top if not already in the chosen groups. Boring
No kidding, as Miami, FSU, Florida, Clemson, and for a while VT all rose up to powerhouses in my lifetime. As you pointed out, those days may be over.
Honestly WVU to the SEC makes perfect sense not just from a location stand point but for a ticket sell and even beer sells stand point WVU has the largest traveling fan base in ncaaf not only that but culture wise WVU is perfect fit and was almost in the SEC twice now already they were being considered over Texas A and M when they were being recruited but WVU went to the big 12 to fill in Missouris spot instead and then WVU was offered an invitation the year before UT and OU announced they were leaving but it was kept hush hush though nothing ever came of it sure WVU would take a year to get the depth to be able to compete at the top of the SEC but from a money stand point it makes a lot of since and will make the SEC more valuable just from jersey sales especially tickets wvus fan base travels and fills stadiums regardless how well the team is performing thats 150,000 tickets sold gaurenteed not to mention the beer sales alone mountaineers like to drink lol so this would be a major power move for the SEC to grab up WVU ASAP because you know for a fact the BIG10 will if not it just makes sense
As a fan of a 2nd tier (realistically 3rd tier) SEC school, I hate it. It's just more rich schools we can't compete with. Allowing teams to buy players has ruined college football. The rich schools are guaranteed to win when they are five deep at every position. Why should the rest of us even bother to watch?
Money and NIL continues to ruin college sports
You stick Duke in the Big East. No one is mad that Villanova and Georgetown don't play Big 10 or SEC football. Why can't you have 3 super leagues? 3 conference champs, 3 second place teams, 2 at large.
I think you will end up with something like European soccer leagues: Premier League SEC & Big 10 and Champions League Big 12 & ACC (both absorb PAC 12 & AAC). Both with their own playoff and championships.
I hear you there. The only problem is money! As a school falls out of the top tier they lose all the revenue of the tip conference and can't possibly make it up. Besides Spankey and Peddy wouldn't alow it there too busy in the money grab
@@ranger135 "As a school falls out of the top tier they lose all the revenue of the tip conference and can't possibly make it up." And that is the point. Most don't want those schools who produce no value but take the money: BC, USF, Cal, Arizona, etc..etc. Think how much more money the SEC could get if they got FSU, Clemson and NC and drop Vanderbilt, Miss State, and Kentucky.
I don't wish bad on no conference but if the ACC actually implodes I like the idea of SEC absorbing NC State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia they feel right.
If playoffs are expanding, they need to tell the coaches they can't schedule so many powerpuff games and then we can cut the regular season to 11 if not 10.
No. This is terrible. College football was special because of the regionality of the sport. The regional rivalries. The in-state rivalries. The pageantry and tradition. This is the ultimate deathblow to ALL of that. You people need to keep your mouths shut saying stuff like you did in this video. :(
For the 2 Super Boys, schedules are bad news, very rare will be a "cupcake schedule", seldom will a team make it through undefeated. With so many tough games and 1st stringers playing more minutes, injuries will be a bigger problem than in the past.
At this point there isn't even a reason to have conferences.
I can’t see Miami in the SEC. Seems like a really odd fit.
I hope the big 12 makes a stand and doesn't let this happen
Not a fan of either of these but no one is considering Kansas or the Arizona schools? Also the SEC and BIG10 would really have to make some hard decisions regarding Vandy Northwestern remaining.
Not really. Founding members aren’t going anywhere. Both conferences are projected to be paying out over 100 mil per member by 2029 with their current members. There is no reason whatsoever to relegate or dump anyone. There are also by laws that are in place.
@@jansonroberts2616 when you're saying "these are the big boys" then those ought to be the by god big boys. A bunch of real football schools are going to get crapped on.
I can see this happening. Maybe not all of those schools are involved and others that weren’t listed will be in those slots.
This would suck
As a Clemson Fan its frustrating to me how much better our situation would be if we were located 50 miles to the north. If we were located across the State line in North Carolina were a prospect for both leagues. As it is the SEC finds more value in expanding footprint even if the football doesn't fit.
No Louisville, Georgia Tech, Baylor, Duke or TCU? Yeah that’s not happening 😂😂😂
yea it is.. why would they be in?
@@TimeWasp better than Vanderbilt and Rutgers
@@TimeWasp Religious sponsored academic institutions especially have a global audience and are not merely connected to a small audience of say 5 or 10 million people. Religious sponsored academic institutions connect with 100s of millions of people throughout the world. Collegiate athletics could make more from media rights than state schools who are insignificant on the world stage when compared to a state sponsored school.
and please who in their right mind would give spots to West Virginia and Pittsburgh?
Luis: you’re forgetting that although Rutgers and Vanderbilt are not very good football programs……they have HUGE markets.
IT SUCKS!!! Bring back real college football!!!
As a West Virginia fan this would work for me onlything I would want is pitt put in the SEC, trade them for NC State or something. But I do think not having TCU in this conversation is not right. I know they got blow out in a national championship game but they still beat Michigan last year in the playoffs which Michigan won the national championship this year. But I guess everyone can get in. The good thing is these good teams don't have to play Marshall, I love it when Marshall goes into one of these elite football teams homes and takes a W. 😁🤣😂
BIg-10-adds..FSU,Utah,,NotreDame,Miami
SEC-adds-Carolina,Virginia,UNC,NCState
Big-12-adds-Syracuse,Pittsburg,Duke,Clemson
Super league is coming. 48 schools, nationwide. 4 regional groups of 12. But it will a truely national conference instituting limits on schools in states by size. Limit of 3 schools to Texas, Florida, and California. NC to 2 schools. It will be also be based on academic requirements, brand, admission requirements. You will see broken hearts in every conference.
South: Florida, FSU, UGA, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, UT, Clemson, SCAR, UK, UNC, and Miami.
North: Ohio State, Michigan, Penn St, WVU, Illinois. ND, Indiana, Mich St, Iowa, UVA VT, and Wisconsin
Midwest: Texas, TAMU, LSU, Arkansas, Kansas, Mizzou, Nebraska, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Okie State, TTech, KSU
West: SC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, ASU, Oregon ST, Wash ST, and BYU.
Relegation with two super conferences would be ideal. Set teams but if you come in at the bottom of the conference you get booted and the winner of a lesser conference comes in
No. Don't even care how 'super leagues' might look. Let's stop ruining college football!
the big 10 would take stanford long before they'd consider utah.
Love the Southwest division, just switch out KSU for Arkansas
Okay! Two super leagues is cool but what college football REALLY needs is RELEGATION! As programs wax and wane, they not only have to compete for championships but to compete to stay in the highest division of the sport! College football is perfectly suited for this because we have already exchanged conference loyalty and regionalism for a financial "survival of the fittest" free for all. Why not take that same mentality to the field since it seems to be "every team for themselves" already. Two leagues with affiliated sub-conferences. The two leagues playoff to crown a national champion and the sub-conferences playoff for their champion to replace the lowest finishing team in the league with which they are affiliated. And the relegated team replacing the elevated team in that sub-conference.
I think as much as I hate them, if FSU lost the annual Clemson, um & uf games it would be a tragedy for college football.
Why on earth would the SEC take NC state without NC. Whoever takes NC State is getting NC it's just common sense. Same goes with Virginia and VT. Furthermore Florida State will end up in the SEC. Andy Staples underestimates the power of the SEC and ESPN.
Dude Disney is in bad financial shape. They are very good at manipulating numbers but they are bleeding money.
OKLAHOMA STATE MENTIONED GO POKES🤠
You mean the team that got blown out by south Alabama and UCF and still got to play in the Big 12 championship?
@@Opinionatedsportsfan yes, only Big 12 team to appear in two of the last three Big 12 title games, rightful winner of the 2011 Natty, and home to the best mullet in college football
@@gijakob the team that got blown out by south Alabama and UCF?
I like and could live with who all you put in the Big10 - the one change I would make given a total collapse of the the Big12, I would swap one of the Arizona schools for Pitt. I would add one more on the Pacific Coast, because with Ohio State and Penn State, the Big10 already has western Pennsylvania covered and wouldn't need Pitt.
I would say that before this even happens some of the existing Big10, SEC would need to be regulated. Secondly, some of the others doesn’t fit. KState in but not KU?
If this is football driven, KU has sucked at football for the better part of their entire existence. KState gets good ratings, wins conference titles, and has been very good for 30 years. I think both get in, though.
Don't screw up college football. Pick the 10 best teams and that's your super conference. Let them duke it out for the big prize. Once those gluttons are gone, the remaining schools will have a phenomenolly interesting & exviting season every year!
GO Kansas State!
100. And this board is full of people saying KU would need to replace them...WHY? This is about football.
It sucks because so many teams are still left off while vandy and Rutgers remain. Or even Northwestern, Miss st, etc.
Too bad the SEC can't take most of the southern schools (adding Baylor, tcu, etc.) The could have 3 divs of 12 (big 12, SEC, ACC) call them South, East, Central. S.E.C.
Then the big ten take most of the big ten and pac 12. Also for all other sports add the big east, so they have 3 divs for everything but football
I feel like it would be more accurate to have us in the middle still being independent
If that happens it might as well be the northern conference and the southern conference.
It's heading that way, but I believe it's going to be more teams. Tired of seeing so many blow outs. This way it would be less & no one will have an easy ride to make the playoffs
You can't talk about college football and college basketball/other college sports at the same time. They have to be split into different systems for both to get what they want. Basketball would be shattered by these proposals, and March Madness would have to go if schools split fully from the NCAA. The sports just don't work together anymore.
64 teams is gonna be the right number. 48 may be a good start for now. But 64 should be the right number. You need everyone in the P4 right now. Makes for better competition and easier scheduling along with tougher scheduling.
Yes. People keep thinking this is about shrinking the P4. It's not. It's.more about leaving behind G5 and FCS and dumping the 10 to 15 percent of academic / tiny / private schools that don't want to participate in this (eg Boston College, Vanderbilt, Duke); it's about going from 135 to probably 60 teams, not going from 70 to 48.
I disagree with some of this. I think wherever Florida St ends up Miami does as well. It's a great rivalry that I'm certain both universities would want to keep intact. And my guess is it is the B1G over the SEC. I also think the B1G will go after NC because of the academic standards as well as their basketball program. ND make sense too because they have more natural rivals within the B1G. As well, that southeast market would be a huge win for the B1G. They recruit it heavily and the television rights would be a big win also. Pitt kind of makes sense too because of Penn St. And, for that matter, WV then would make sense because of their rivalry with Pitt. Who wants to give up the back yard brawl?? The rest is a total crap shoot!
I also just can't see any ACC teams making a lateral move to the Big12 after paying all of that exit money to the ACC. I think both of those conferences eventually go the way of the PAC12, or compete on a lower level, because there just won't be enough meat there to keep them fluid and relevant.
With all of that said, I cannot honestly say that I am a fan of having the two SUPER conferences. There're just far too many traditions, rivalries, and pageantry that is being sacrificed. And once it becomes more about the money than the rest of it, then the lore of college football will be lost. And once you give any of the decision making to the corporate sponsors it will become more about them than the universities themselves. Not to mention, there is no contingency plan for the remaining teams left out of the two SUPER conferences. What happens to them at that point? Does anyone even seem to care???
Well all I can hope for is that either UCF gets added to the SEC list if it ever goes down or somehow the Big 12 manages to keep all its programs and still increase its revenues over the next contract! If UCF is left out and Big 12 is in shambles, then I know those 2 conferences will destroy college football forever.
UCF fans can't handle that they're still not big boys yet.
If/when we get to a super-league I can't see the SEC and BIG continuing to carry the dead weight in favor of adding better programs. Vandy, Rutgers, Northwestern, Indiana, and Illinois. Teams that were left off Andy Staples list that are better additions than those programs are West Virginia, Arizona, TCU, Colorado (if it continues to climb, but either way its a good brand in a state not currently represented), and BYU.
Tell me you're a fan of a Big 12 team without telling me you're a fan of a Big 12 team.
@@encycl07pedia- Yep sure am. But that doesn’t make me wrong.
@@michaeldavis2966 Colorado destroyed their brand over the past 20+ years. The only reason Colorado is even on the radar now is because Deion Sanders is there. As soon as he moves on, Colorado will be back to being irrelevant and "Colorado's" fanbase will drop by 90%. Colorado's best rivalry is with Nebraska, another former heavyweight that is pretty much only noteworthy for how far they've fallen. Oh, and that rivalry is basically defunct in football because they hardly ever play each other anymore.
I'm not saying Andy Staples' list is perfect or even that great, but you're talking about very regional fanbases at best with those schools. Of the teams you named, BYU might be the most popular/widespread due to religion. It's a big step to kick schools out and would likely result in lawsuits that are more trouble than they're worth, at least short term.
That being said, I can say the same regional fanbase thing about a lot of teams in included in the graphic. I'm just not sure there are very many great options outside of ND, FSU, and maybe Clemson as far as football and viewership goes that aren't already in a new conference (like USC, Texas, and OU)
@@encycl07pedia- he's still right tho
@@quentinbell5276 Why replace dead weight with dead weight? The dude seriously said Colorado, a team that won 5 games in 2 years, would be a good addition.
Why Texas Tech, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State over Arizona State, Colorado, and Kansas? Why Pitt over Georgia Tech?
Why would Kansas get in over K-State?
@@janinebrittanica4314Let's see. UNC & UVA are the flagship universities of two new states. Each has great basketball programs but lousy football programs yet the SEC wants both over NCSU and VT which have much better football programs but are not flagships. Same thing with KU vis-a-vis KSU.
@@hudson5112KU football is not valuable compared to K-State. K-State s competency and brand in football edges them out over KU's brand (purely basketball) and God awfulness in football (give or take four or so years out of the last 50) do not get them in over KSU
@@janinebrittanica4314 like he said... KU is the flagship University in the state of Kansas. It has a larger endowment. Larger student population Larger brand recognition. A true contender for a championship in a sport. As god awful as KU football is save for 4 or 5 years still has a winning record against KSU. you are dismissed.
@@wojapi7538 wow. So at least you admit this has virtually nothing to do with football. I otherwise stand corrected, sir.
Vanderbilt, North Western, Illinois, indiana, Rutgers, ....???? Get real. Put everything back the way it was.
You can remove Rutgers from that list. They're quietly trending upward with Greg Schiano at the helm.
I prefer four Super Leagues going at it year in and year out. Two super leagues is just insufficient to keep the attention of audiences for very long especially if one league is dominating over the other for very long. The fans will just think that the one is unbeatable and think the seasons are rigged and lose interest.
GO UTES!
The B1G wouldn’t take Pitt, the SEC likely wouldn’t take K-State or possibly even WVU for that matter.
Reduce the Super conference to 10 BEST teams solves everyones problems.
WVU is top 15 in all time wins, fan base, and merch sells.
@@austin_l yeah but they don’t have any large media markets very close. It’s really the only thing that would keep them out.
@@hummushero9428dude, the media market thing sailed 10+ years ago, that stuff mattered when cable was still relevant. Rutgers proves the point. No one gives a rats ass about Rutgers in NYC or Baltimore. K-State and Utah and Va Tech and Ga Tech and WVU are.more valuable bc their fans care and they can draw.
@hummushero9428 the entire state watches them. A good portion of the Ohio and Pennsylvania sides of the Ohio Valley and Washington DC are WVU fans. You'll also see more WVU gear in Maryland and New Jersey than Maryland or Rutgers stuff. WV transplants are everywhere, hence how they were able to out number UNC fans in Charlotte.
They’re trying to hard to be like the NFL. Why would someone want to watch something “like the nfl” when you can you just watch the real deal instead. Being unique is why people want to watch it. This’ll hurt them
The University of Texas cares about one thing, and that is the University of Texas. Every conference they've ever been in has been left to die, for all they care. That won't stop with the SEC. UT will push for one league eventually, replacing the SEC lesser teams with the best from the B1G and a few others.
I'm thinking 3 super leagues of 20 to 24 teams each. 60 to 72 programs would be every relevant team in the P5. Have a 12 to 16 team playoff to end a 12 game regular season.
As long as the Big12 schools can accept their smaller media payouts, fewer CFP slots in the playoff, smaller CFP revenue payouts and figure out how they will keep up with the B1G and SEC paying the players once the revenue sharing becomes a reality, it’s possible. Not so sure the administrators of the Big12 schools or ACC remainder’s would accept any of that.
Among a lot of other problems, if you were making this up from scratch Rutgers, Vanderbilt, and Northwestern would not be included. Between the three of them they average 27,000 per game and fill up half their stadium. That's just pathetic. Throw Maryland in there and it doesn't change those averages much if at all as they get 28,000 and fill up 52%. Illinois - 30,000 and is another filling half. I guess there's a belief out there that a school like Northwestern will bring Chicago eyeballs on their games when they're on TV. I'd like to see that proof. Very few care about going to their games so why would they watch them on TV or when streamed. ESPN in the end may want schools like that out and replaced with others that have bigger fan bases. So those hanger-onners better be careful what they wish for.
I'll go out of my way not to watch a single game of this league since it leaves my favorite teams out. If the outcome does not effect my teams, I have no reason to watch.
Amen, brother!!!! Why would I want to watch when the program I root for is left behind with no chance to move up. I do think the networks realize the more they alienate the schools left behind, the less the viewership will be. I guess they didn't learn there lesson with the Bud Light debacle. The fan bases of the school's left behind will give them the bid F you
Louisville is better than several of those programs. It's also number 4 in football viewership in the ACC behind FSU, Clemson, and Miami. NC State would have to be in the same league as UNC which was 11th in football viewership in the ACC. How you can defend having Vanderbilt in there with a straight face is beyond me.
Vandy is a filler team. Conferences need to keep some lower programs so they don’t beat themselves up every week. They will be grandfathered in.
They need the CST proposal to stabilize college football. Conferences will keep getting destroyed until then. Then the sport doesn't matter because it will be regional and no longer national. Fans don't care about these match ups because who cares who wins between iowa and uw? No one.
Ssying you can"t have a P3 is so stupid! 2 footballcentric and 1 basketballcentric conference will work fine! So 3 champs and the best 2nd place team if you need semis and a final.
Josh Pate had a conference realignment that I liked. This needs to be completely thrown out... Throw this shit out...
Swap fsu and Miami at the very least
Snd whoever plays the 10 Supers in non-con will receive a stupendous payout!
Not super league unless you get rid of the lesser performing teams in each Conference
Which ain’t gonna happen, so…
Separating Michigan and Ohio state is a travesty. Swap OSU out with Indiana Perdue or Rutgers. Hell I would rather have yearly OSU vs Michigan games than Michigan vs noter dame.
Only have 2 private schools listed
Thank you for saying syracuse at least wtf. We deserve a spot so does wash and Oregon state along w Stanford and wake. Bc can pound salt lol jk they kinda do too along w cal.
The SEC has zero (No Interest) in adding Miami! For perhaps the last 2-3 years, the discussion has been a conversation that 3 conferences will emerge: the B1G, the SEC, and now the Big XII. There is a good chance That the SEC & B1G will make more money than than the 3rd conference; which, appears to be more & more likely the Big XII. Should the ACC survive, they could become a Group-5 conference. Then the Conference Championship games may end & every school would play another on week 13th game of the regular season. With the multiple auto-qualifier’s. Coming up. The U.S. Supreme Court hold’s a large part of the NIL + has anyone seen the NCAA layout any details concern NIL?
Miami has 0 interest in the SEC. Bunch of tooth missing sister screwing schools with poor academics. Miami will end up in the Big10 especially given how many of their alumni live in the S Florida area.
You got UNC and Virginia flipped.
Utah to the Big 10
Doesn't there have to be a relegation system?
Thanks. I hate it.
So basically a semi-pro league with half the teams inferior to other programs out there that are not included. No thanks.
Not a fan of the super conferences. If they break away I think there will be backlash and years later the decision will be regretted. You can't have a 48 team or 64 team super conference and only those teams compete in the playoffs. Can't have the 6th or 7th place team from the same conference vying for a national championship. You want to talk about watered down regular season well there it is. Making the playoffs/tournament should be special, a challenge, and a reward. My proposal is a 16 team playoff. All 9 conference champions and 7 at large teams. Same number of at large teams in the current format. This rewards conference champions and brings in a lot more fans from around the country just wanting to watch their team compete for the title. Does Western Kentucky or Boise State have a shot at the championship? No of course not, but they don't have much of one in basketball either. Just for fairness' sake let them in. It will bring a whole lot more attention to the playoffs, increase the importance of the regular season not just for smaller teams but even decent big-name schools like Penn State, Ole Miss, Notre Dame and so on who don't have as a for sure foot in the door to the playoffs. It makes things interesting as opposed to every team in the playoffs being from 2 conferences. FCS has a big playoff, why can't FBS? 130+ schools and only 12 teams from 5 of the 9 conferences can compete and no direct way to qualify for the tournament. Things need to change to balance out the playoffs and the power dynamic otherwise we end up with the super conference mess and college sports will be a whole lot worse.
Willster: the only problem with that is you will get too many meaningless playoff games like Georgia vs FSU and Oregon vs Liberty.
The two super conferences just need to break away with their 48 members in football as a new division. The remainders like the Big12, ACC and the G-5’s just stay in Division 1/ FBS and have their own playoff like the FCS does. It will allow those smaller schools a real chance to compete for championships within their division. The gap is getting wider and will continue to get wider. Once player revenue sharing becomes a reality, a lot of those smaller schools shouldn’t be expected to keep up with those super schools. That’s crazy.
The 6tha and 7th place teams in the Power conferences enter the NCAA basketball tournament and TV still pays to broadcast them.
How does WSU who got more views than most in the pac 12 and more million view games than teams included in the auper leagues? I hate the sec amd b1g.
Duke, UNC, and UVA all prefers the SEC. Add them to the SEC. Replace them with Cal and Stanford. Kansas St, Texas Tech and WVU doesn’t bring anything to the SEC. Replace Kansas St with Kansas, and WVU with Georgia Tech. This chart seems to be heavily big ten biased.
Why would you replace K-State with Kansas? What sense does that make?
@@janinebrittanica4314pop quiz. I want you to chose your answer wisely, what program is the bigger known national brand.. Kansas or Kansas St? …. also of the two, what program are corporate advertising and marketing heads are willing to pay top dollar for during large viewerships of ESPN games?
@@ronelite582 if basketball and football are decoupled, why would KU's brand be more valuable than K-State in a football super league? They are one of the top 30 programs in college football over the last 30 years. They win conference championships. They also consistently draw good ratings for their games, especially given their fanbase size. They have a recognizable football identity. The powercat is one of the most widely licensed logos in highschool football. They are basically an NC State or Virginia Tech, brandwise, in football. KU is not even as good of a football brand as North Carolina. You might as well be arguing with me that UConn or Indiana gets in vs KSU. I think both should get in. I think the super league should be 52 to 64 teams. But KU has sucked at football for a decade until recently, and has been below average other than for a couple of years under Glen Mason and Mangino. They have not won a conference title in...decades. Yeah, K-State was absolute trash forever until Snyder got there, but barely anyone under the age of 50 even remembers this.
@@janinebrittanica4314key word. Until recently. They have a program changing coach, as well as investing numerous amounts of finances in the program. They also have a football legacy in Gayle Sayers. Yes football is the financial windfall that many are choosing, but after Notre Dame, what are the national brands left thats out there? Completely writing off basketball is shortsighted and foolhardy. Again I ask, which program is more recognizable nationally?
@@ronelite582 you're missing the point. KU being competent at football after one year does not make them a football brand. This would be not terribly dissimilar from arguing, if it were 1996 that KSU should be in because they won they Copper Bowl in 1993 and because Kevin Lockett. The super league will be divorced from basketball. Gayle Sayers? Fine, but that's like me saying Darren Sproles. Jordy Nelson. Tyler Lockett. I could go on. This is no disrespect. This is not an either-or thing, though. KU should be in, because their brand is very good, even though their football is nearly consistently subpar K-State should be in, because their brand is good-enough, and they are a good football product that people watch. KU and K-State both deserve, and I believe, WILL be in over programs like Vanderbilt, Duke, Syracuse, Boston College, Wake Forest, SMU, UConn. What I'm saying is is that, when this is all said and done, this league will not be the SEC or B1G or even the XII or ACC anymore...these are just the current conferences holding MOST but not ALL of the teams in place until everything is transitioned over? I think 48 is the absolute smallest it will be, but I think personally that you're looking at 60 total teams in five to six team subdivisions, based on geography. It's actually going to be really fucking cool because regional rivalries will be preserved, because everyone is going to be sharing the same media deal, more or less. Again, this is NFL Jr, not 2 to 5 separate TV deals, anymore. You will need VA Techs and KUs and Utah's and KStates and NC States to build the full TV packages for great matchups across every game. The main thing is eliminating the first four weeks of the season when most schools are playing D2 or FCS teams that are normally not good TV.
Where is the West coast teams the Like Arizona they need to be in here
Fsu should be sec and remove vandy
Why?
SEC SAYS NO TO:
KSU
NC ST
Texas Tech
Seems like Andy Staples maybe a little B1G biased
You'd rather have Vanderbilt in your league than K-State? Why?
@@janinebrittanica4314 Vanderbilt is already in the league. Founding member . Whats so hard to understand.
@@jansonroberts2616 you don't get it! These small time private schools that don't care about football are not going to stay at this level! This isn't going to be the 'SEC' or 'B1G' or 'XII' anymore! The Dukes, Vanderbilts, Cals, Stanfords, Boston Colleges of the world are not going to join or remain in this setup! This is all about leaving behind the G5 and FCS And shedding the 10-15 percent of the FBS that cannot or doesn't want to play big time football. This is not about contracting the P5 down from 72 to 48 or whatever, and shutting out the Cleveland Browns. This is about contracting the 134 team FBS down to about 60 and getting rid of the XFL and CFL level teams of the G5 who do not have the stadiums, fanbases, or money to compete. Stop thinking so small.
@@jansonroberts2616Vanderbilt football is not a draw. Period. No league is going to shut out the aforementioned schools and sit on Vanderbilt.😊
Even the SEC has to bow to the media, and I suspect TV wants the SEC to have teams in states it is not already located. Plus K State and TTU already have rabid, SEC like fan bases, if not as large.
This is dumb
They need to make the acc absorb memphis tulane and a cpl others if bum ass Florida state and clemson leave. Then swoop up the 2 left over pac 12 schools then run w 4 even if big whatever 12 24 18 you want to call them and acc (probably change the name) are a lil lesser just play games between the 4 conferences period
Louisville has a better program And generate more money than 15 teams I see on there
Now you’re just dreaming shit up…🤠🤘
UCF where do we go?
Or another option would be to take the top 24 teams and start a semi-pro football League with them and then over time they can join the NFL. 😂🤣😂 Or maybe the NFL could join them since the NFL is so boring now.
Barf
Super league(s) without relegation is asinine.
The projections for both the B1G and SEC have them paying out over 100 million per member every year after 2029. That’s with their current members. There won’t be any relegation or dumping of founding members. There are also by laws that protect these conferences.
Vanderbuilt ? Please for the love god !
I know but Nashville is a huge market.
@@GDoggy-em2xcit matters to some extent, but IT DOESNT MATTER IF NO ONE WATCHES VANDERBILT FOOTBALL!
Those traditional power 5 schools like Virginia tech, Texas tech, Oregon State, NC State or Arizona we're left behind long ago. Fans were just under the delusion that anybody other then the likes of Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, USC, Georgia could win it all too. I hated the idea of super conferences but i also think another league of traditional P5s that aren't blue bloods and media heavyweights could be awesome and something I'd watch as they'd have a chance to actually win something.
The Horns and Aggies would do everything possible to block Tech. The worst fans in the country.
lol
womp womp
😂 yeah aggy thought they were gonna "block" Texas to the SEC.....how did that work out 😂😂
This sucks man. Enough already. College was popular for a reason
College Football will lose at least one fan. I suspect it will lose many more.
Super conferences spells disgusting 🤮
I hope not
No P2 would choose KSU over KU. 🤣 These decisions are made by school presidents and media, not hacks.
Why would you take Kansas over K-State?
@@janinebrittanica4314 Already stated.
@@mrmonkeysays when basketball is decoupled from football, KU does not get into this new format over K-State. They will probably both get in. But KU does not get in over K-State.
@janinebrittanica4314 Even apart from basketball, KU is a bigger, more lucrative brand (and institution and research partner), with higher upside, than KSU. Think also about rejoining KU and MU in the SEC, and bringing KU basketball in with UK, and potentially UNC. The difference in football value is marginal, best case, but the difference in every other way is large. These are 100 year decisions, not 10 year decisions. There are only 2 P2 options. If you think KSU has any chance of getting a Big 10 invite, you're kidding yourself. KU could enter that picture. So the ONLY chance KSU would be chosen over KU is if it all boils down to the SEC, and they disregard the value of adding one of a handful of blueblood basketball schools, and an AAU flagship university, so they can add KSU, who is one football coach away from complete irrelevance. Think of the buyer's remorse the SEC would have, if they added KSU, and they became a football punching bag. Which they would. KU would at least offer basketball, and they'd still have KU/MU football games, and the KC market, too. KSU over KU is just not going to happen. Especially now that KU is investing in football.
That looks great!!!!