Hot Shot Secret FR3: Marketing Run Amuck ( Oil Additive Test )
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- Hot Shot FR3: Marketing Run Amuck
In this video I detail my 12,000 mile test of Hot Shot Secret FR3 Oil Additive. I had this testing going on for over a year and noticed that @themotoroilgeek uploaded a video recently testing oil additives. I'm not disputing anything he said in his video in fact, I have data from my test that backs up exactly what he said in his video. It just so happened that we were doing the same type of testing at the same time and I'll be honest, this testing is lightyears better than what mine is.
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The Hot Shot Secret FR3 oil additive had no tangible benefit to using it over straight motor oil alone. Hot Shot Secret's slogan is "Powered by Science" well after conducting some science... Their marketing department must be powered by BS instead.
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Awesome job! I love the data logging with the Banks system.
Thanks for doing what you do. The internet has way too many rumors, stories, and claims with no data. You did an excellent job and I'm sure you now have a list of other additives to blow holes in.
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I’m loving this team effort energy you guys. Nothing pisses me off more than companies straight up lying to consumers. They *know* their product is bullshit. I don’t fall for it, but so many do. And that’s millions and millions of wasted dollars in our economy that could be spent on better things. Drag these scam artists off the playing field.
What about the Utuber Project Farm that put FR3 with Mobile 1 and the wear scar was less with the FR3????
@@candyman1967 I will have a video later this Summer that answers that question.
Project farms wear scar test is not how engines work. If you had that kind of metal on metal contact your engine is toast in minutes.
Mr Speed, AKA the motor oil Geek is the go to guy. He does science and not speculation to arrive at his decision.
No. His “science” that you refer to is still speculation. He looks at numbers and guesses what it will do in an actual engine.
The test done in this video IS however science. It is real world tests of an engine that ran with the product.
Bob, Mr Lake Speed is a petroleum engineer. He doesn't need to speculate. He knows what he is talking about.
I have my own special formula, when it causes your engine to seize you get all the horsepower and economy of a brand new engine when you have to rebuild the one you have.
Motorkote is the one to go with
Yes the special formula to make engine seize called latex paint in the oil side of the engine guarantee to lock up within 15 seconds of the engine starting there's a channel on TH-cam called neutral drop where they take junkers and this dude dumb stuff to kind of hilarious but they literally put household latex paint in a car engine after draining the oil out you won't believe how quick it seized up it was crazy it was no more than 15 seconds in the motor sees tighter than a drum
Remember that 'Up to 5% increase in fuel economy' includes 0%
Any claim that begins with 'Up to....' includes zero.
If these additives were so good the oil companies would use them. We saw Toyotas go 300-500k miles back in the 80s on conventional oil of the day! People need to understand how awesome todays oil formulas are. I've learned so much from Lake Speed Jr what a great resource he is. I recommend people go watch all his videos he debunks a ton of old mechanics tales! Great video
Lake speed jr is so informative! I'm learning alot from him. I want him to test this new oil that is suppose to restore your engine to new by cleaning it really well
@@sidneysanders5726I think we know what the results are gonna be 😂
Indeed. Same goes for all the "snake oil" products, crystals, essential oils, etc. etc. If all these did what was claimed, it would be headline news, some major greedy corporate giant would have the market. Nothing would ever wear out, people would live to be hundreds of years old and sickness and disease would cease to exist.
Fuel additives good.
Oil additives Bad.
Absolutely!
I used Marvel Mystery Oil in my gas tank to get rid of water contamination and it worked very well as advertised in that situation.
Saving us from continuing scams👍. That’s why we watch your testing! Still love your undercoat tests as my vehicle has no rust thanks to you.
I learned from Lake Speed Jr. to quickly switch to API SP spec oil for my TGDI engine. I learned a LONG time ago that OTC oil additives are snake oil. However, I do use a PEA fuel additive once a year on my vehicles that aren't daily drivers.
Lake was very supportive of fuel additives that had the chemical he mentions in the video. I run a fuel additive (Red Line) in my fuel every other tank (1/4 bottle) it’s got the chemical he supports.
Not surprised honestly. I've never used any oil additives myself. I do use Berrymans B12 in the fuel tank for the lawnmower.
Impressive data collection. Hard to argue with facts.
Would love to see your data collection used on diesel fuel additives. Hotshots Extreme, Powerservice etc
Thanks for your honesty & transparency, dude. Keep up the great job!
Both your's and Lake Jr.s videos have been extremely helpful to me. Keep up the great work!
Over the decades (yeah, I'm in my 70's) I used many oil additives and decided they were not beneficial. However, there is one product that has proven itself over the years as a safe engine cleaner and as a fuel additive, that product is Marvel Mystery Oil. If you have an engine that is gummed up inside and has a valve knock MMO can buy you some time. Notice I did not say "fix" the problem and that is because it does not fix an engine that has been abused. As a fuel additive especially in small engines however it has been a game changer because it is an upper cylinder lubricant. Example: I have a riding mower approaching 1,000 hours of hard use and it runs today as good as it did when new. MMO has been used the whole time. If you want your vehicle engine to last 200,000+ miles (all of mine do) then change your oil and filter frequently (3,000 to 5,000 miles) and its air filter at the same time. Example: I had a 1985 Dodge Ramcharger with a 318 V-8 and 249,000 miles on it. It ran like new when I sold it and other than normal "tune-ups" and normal "maintenance " I did not have to do "anything" else to the vehicle (never even had a valve cover off of it.
MMO does work well IF you haven't taken care of your engine, but other wise its not needed.
@@Jayda08
If i check my oil and its a 1/2qt low AND im a few hundred miles before a change,ill top off with marvel for the cleaning action.
I use 2 stroke TCW3 oil at a ratio of 1 oz. to 4 gallons of gasoline. My Prius has a 12 gallon tank, so every other fillup I add 3 ounces of oil. It works as a cleaner and UCL, and is a lot cheaper than MMO.
All good information, oil additives are a house of cards. The " Motor Oil Geek" is the only qualified channel on YT to talk about oil and additive validity, all other channels are opinions, marketing and or anecdotal, period, end of story !
Steve Dinan is the king of finding little improvements in efficiency and power. He’s one to really add that 5% to your engine. 🤙
Very informative you did a great job presenting your data & results. I've tried oil addatives throughout the years and never found one that did anything.
I used engine restore in my 18hp lawnmower engine that was down on power. An hour later it was completely down on power when a rod exited stage left. You have some stones to put additives into a newer diesel vehicle, thanks for the video.
Entirely depends on what the engine has been through and how it was maintained. Mowers aren't a good gauge. I've had brand new mowers blow up in one season, and a free, crappy looking toro last years.
If a engine is down on compression and smoking, restore can slow down oil consumption, and increase compression. But only if it's ring seal issue. If it's already worn out, and you need an engine anyway, how can you attribute it to the additive? Was the rod bearing seized before you changed the oil? Was it down on power because the piston was hanging in the cylinder? Was a valve spring broken and bleeding compression, until it decided to play patty cake with the piston?
I use restore because I know it works, but I'm also realistic and understand if I'm using it, there is a chance the motor is already gone at 250,000 miles. But if it saves me from replacing it this year, and I can wait until next year.....it's worth it.
@@ryurc3033 down on power due to ring seal, cylinder walls were smooth and yes it drank a little oil. Oil was checked and added prior to every use. Engine was run in that state for a couple years, decided to try restore because of project farms testing and had nothing to lose because engine was not worth my time to rebuild. It was a B&S opposed twin 2. I don't believe that it was a coincidence the additive killed it in short order, I felt more heat coming from the engine than usual when it let go, and didn't knock until seconds before. It usually took me 3 hours to cut my lawn, and it only ran 1 hour with fresh oil and restore added prior to mowing. If you like the stuff that's fine, I did not have a great experience on a very basic engine.
Excellent research and thank you for your videos.
Amen. Only difference is there oil companies have to find a balance between cost and performance. Any one or them could formulate the best oil in the world, but the average consumer would not be able to afford it. That being said, there is a lot of chemistry and engineering put into engine oils. It's a cure for a problem which doesn't exist. Marketing at it's best.
New subscriber here. To much honest talk and data! 😊
I would try an oil where the calcium vs zinc/ phosphorus are a closer ratio. Your roughly a 2 to 1 & the detergent (calcium) will increase iron wear, when at higher ratios.
The Motor Oil Geek, has a really good video on that also. Thanks for the information.
Really good review and great info. Good job overall. As far s your wear metals it appears you are using the wrong motor oil. The current diesel standard of CK-4 for example was insufficient for Ford as they saw increased wear so they had to develop an additional standard which basically called for more phosphorous. The zing also looks low in the pennzoil however I don't know what your specific engine calls for. I'd try looking into the specs on the manufacturers oil for your vehicle and go from there. You made a great point about the R&D resources at Penn vs Hotshot and the same goes for the manufacturer of your engine. They recommend a specific oil for a reason and I'm talking about their branded formulated oil not just the CK-4 standard. Just food for thought. Your conclusions about oil additives is spot on and I love the oil geek content as well. THere might be a decent additive that might make a positive difference but it's a crap shoot at best. Nothing like running your own science experiment in your expensive truck...lol
Wow you're pretty trusting to put that crap in your oil. I hope you don't have any long-term damage from that stuff. Thanks for the video champ . 👍
I don't understand why someone hasn't done this type of testing sooner. I guess it's just one of those things that's like "why didn't we think of that sooner?"
What testing Project Farm has done on them has been pretty much the same, except the lubricity testing he did on the engine seal additives. Most showed higher wear which of course was alarming, but two showed decreased wear. Of course that wasn't on engine bearings, but one might assume it would apply there too.
Maybe engine bearings are so "soft" they can't be mimicked by anything else, and thus you guys' testing wins out?
I don't know but I appreciate this. I was really sold on one of these (Lucas) and have been using them for seal conditioning and noise reduction on some high mileage engines (which are already in critical wear states).
The truth hurts sometimes, but it shows you where you actually are and need to go from there, instead of covering up the real problem and giving you worse surprises later.
The only thing I'll say about PF's wear testing is, he doesn't replicate the temperature of the oil in an engine for the wear test.
He also tested the FR3 additive about 5 years ago and found a reduction in wear using it. But his wear test wasn't in an engine. He does a Timken style test, which I don't think is relevant to what goes on inside an engine.
I think this is how hot shot claims a 43% reduction in wear, the test they did wasn't in an engine. They also don't specify a 43% reduction vs oil alone. I'm wondering if they ran a test with no oil, ran a 2nd test WITH oil and claim a reduction in wear...
@@RepairGeek Wouldn't the Timken bearing be similar in hardness as the lobes of a camshaft? Did you also notice that Lake Jr. blew right past the LiquiMoly MOS2 additive results in his oil analysis? Yes, it added Moly, but he didn't say whether it was good, or bad.
@@jamesplotkin4674 the last mass produced flat tappet engine was the 06 Jeep/AMC 4.0 as far as I'm aware. I could be wrong. So you're talking about an engine that hasn't been produced by the factory in about 20 years.
No flat tappet cam sits in a puddle of oil and spins like a timken test. In the vast majority that I'm familiar with, the oil is slung off the spinning crank onto the cam lobes.
And it still doesn't bring up the lack of heat during his test. I don't question Todd's results at all. I question how relevant his test is to the inside of an engine. That's all.
More videos the better. This industry has been a scam for generations and this b.s. needs to get called out. Thanks for doing this!!
Thanks. I actually have tried so many additives out over the years, going back to the Slick 50 days, and have run oil analysis so many. Luckily I did not mess anything up, but never noticed any decrease in engine wear metals in the analysis that were ran.
Just wasting my money on the additives.
To bad this additive companies don’t do real world testing to prove their claims and get professionals like Lake Speed to do the testing and testing like you have done.
Thanks for the video because I know it takes a lot of personal time to do this.
If they did the testing, they wouldn’t have a product to sell
I have a 2001 7.3 power stroke. 10 years ago gas was put in the tank. The truck unfortunately was not shut off in time to prevent the gas from making it to the injectors. My mechanic replaced the tank {needed a new one} cleaned the lines and everything he could short of replacing the injectors. The truck ran horrible. Misfires etc. he suggested using hot shots as a last resort before replacing everything. I bought the entire line of products. Followed the instructions. And bam trick has been running fine since. I don't know which product worked, but i will continue using it.
I love that oil geek
Thanks for your video also
I got sold to try their Stiction Eliminator in my Detroid Semi. Oh, man, stinks like sh!t, like heated Tub o'Towels or heated ammonia... First few days smell was absolutelly horrible and good thing I put it in just for 2k miles before my oil change was due. Its gone for good now. NEVER again would I put anything like that in my engines...
Two of you geeks are great. Usefull content!
I believe molybdenum disulfide can improve wear, particularly in some circumstances. It makes your oil black so its unlikely to be in any oil, however it has been used in the past in aviation and military uses.
Anyway, nowadays wear in your engine is the least of your worries. Expensive exhaust treatment and intake components are of far greater concern, followed closely by the degradation of plastic parts inside the engine, gaskets, and seals.
Molybdenum disulfide is excellent for sliding wear but can potentially be detrimental to rolling wear. The challenge in engines is you have both. Additionally, with an oil you really depend on the design of the bearing clearances to maintain film thickness and following the recommended viscosity and weight is critical. Different engines have different clearance designs. Moly is great for high pressure applications, especially for greases in places that see intermittent movement (like a driveshaft spline), where it is hard to build a consistent oil film.
I owned a 2018 RAM 5500 from new until, I sold it in 2022 with 364,000 miles on it. I used Shell Rotella T6, Schaeffer’s, Amsoil Signature 6x, and Hot Shot Secret Blue Diamond oils. I took an oil sample at each oil change, and I found Hot Shot Secret performed the best compared to the other brands. I’ve never been big on oil additives either, I just use a particular motor oil and that’s it. I think it’s unfortunate to see the data from the FR3 additive! Hot Shot Secret motor oil comes with FR3, and the Stiction Eliminator already in the oil. I now have a 2022 Kenworth, that I bought new, and I have no interest in using anything else. I will only use Hot Shot Secret Blue Diamond oil, due to my personal experience. I still send an oil sample to Blackstone every oil change, and it’s been performing great, and my Kenworth now has 180,000 miles on it. I will say none of the other oils performed badly, just that the numbers in the data from Blackstone showed Hot Shot Secret performed the best. Since, my livelihood depends on my truck performing at its best, I only want the best performing oil in my truck! I’ve been watching your channel for years, starting with your rust proofing videos! I have complete respect for you and everything you do, keep up the excellent work you do!
Lake Speed Jr? Knows his science.
Well this changes my opinion on the company quite dramatically. Would like to see their “stiction eliminator” product tested. As a 7.3 powerstroke owner, I’ve been under the impression for a long time that it helped the HEUI style injectors
Dood!!!!!! You won't believe this. I drove up the mountain to the lake pulling my 250 pound trailer loaded with beer . We burned a 1/2 tank of fuel. Caught a fish and squeezed 1 teaspoon of pee out of him. Put that in the tank. Coming back with the same trailer only burned an 1/8 of a tank. That's a savings beyond 5%. Not just up to 5%.
Wow!! I’m gonna try this one out next time I go fishing in the mountains. 👊 thanks for the solid tip bro
@@SolarMillUSA leave the fish in the mountains. It helps reduce weight too. That way no excess weight wearing springs and tires. You may experience significant increase in mpg. UP TO 300%.
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Here is an easy way to make a "dyno" result look good in your favor when doing A-B comparisons. Cold differential oil can cause a 9-12 hp loss compared to hot differential oil. So you can get at least a 9 hp advantage if you do the dyno test with hot differential oil and this can be skewed to favor your results. This was often a trick used by "cold air intake" manufacturers to show how their intake makes a substantial difference over the stock intake.
Great video!
I did the same test with my Ram Ecodiesel. No change, but my wear metals have always run way lower than your numbers, example, iron 8ppm, aluminum 2 ppm and chromium at 1ppm. Rotella T6 5w40 oil for almost 175,000 mi. I do use Hot Shots EDT fuel additive, though.
EDT and diesel extreme are awesome products. DE helped my sisters TDI DPF light go away.
I used their extreme gas additive twice a year to keep the DI clean. Keep the Amsoil SS pure in the crank case.
Amsoil is the best by a mile, I’ll say that. I’ve had great experiences with edt, DE, and stiction eliminator.
Does it wash away with water? Motorcote made that claim and project farm proved it true lol. Thanks for your dedication and time.
The TBN is higher in the FR3 sample so maybe it does have some alkaline preserving type of effect?
I came to comment that exactly. And sometimes, you can audibly hear the difference because there’s less friction. I’ve ran amsoil over the past few years and I’ve been sold because I gain mpg, get long intervals safely, and it gets quieter.
I did some hotshots secret stiction eliminator in my tdi at 70k miles and a work truck Cummins which definitely doesn’t get any love. Both of them had a lot more turbo noise that I never heard, which would be from less friction.
Hotshots secret EDT and Diesel Extreme also have done wonders on my TDI and my sisters TDI, where as advertised it removed her dpf filter light, which she had for thousands of miles.
Fr3 might lubricate more than you’d notice, as it’s basically listed. And just because people don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t doing something. One thing I notice from oils is 100% synthetic oils don’t shear and last longer, while being quieter. People can say whatever, that’s my experience from 5 vehicles and my lawn mower(which doesn’t get mpg’s lol).
I’ve only used an additive well-tested by BITOG- the now-defunct LC20 from Lube Control. It doesn’t make bold claims and marketed mostly to fleets. It’s mostly hydroxynone in a carrier oil and it reduces oxidation and has a mild cleaning effect. The engines are in superb condition as verified by compression tests, blowby, and borescope. Alas, the company is out of business (probably because they didn’t make bold enough claims, LOL).
thanks dude, i show this to my wife... Nuff said
They are going to come for you!
Nice video, you are in good company with the Motor Oil Geek who is the real deal working with Total Seal Piston Rings and a racing lineage that goes way back. It's always great when to different people come back with similar results. Though he was upbeat on gasoline additives that contained Polyetheramine (PEA) which does help clean fuel injectors.
I used hot shot for diesels when it first came out after it was touted by tv shows and magazines. It’s complete CRAP!! Claimed cleaned injectors which my powerstroke is run by the oil. It cleaned out every gasket and seal in the motor!! I had to put a kiddy pool under it until I could get it fixed. Had to pull motor, rear main seal, o rings, gaskets, everything 💩
What product were you using exactly? I've been using hot shots edt now in not sure if I should keep using it.
@hemiboy3923 powerstroke are use HEUI Thus oil pressure is used to operate the fuel system..
@@hemiboy3923I'm using EDT as well. Project farm seemed to have good things to say about it.
How many miles did you use said product for when problems arose?
I used it in my 6.0 powerstroke 2004 f350 @ 2007. It was called stiction eliminator . Every seal ,gasket,oring leaked after I used it,bad.
Dude, I would love to see a test on the difference in the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and the Amsoil Signature Series, which is what I run. Even at my dealer cost, Amsoil will be more expensive than the Penz. However I do run it up to 25,000 miles so... I really like your videos and i thank you!
I believe project farm has done this test with Amsoil the winner.
@@Doug_Hefernenyes, which amsoil you can pay $20 a year for preferred customer, 25% off and free shipping over $100. Which makes the amsoil the same price. But being able to safely run longer intervals saves you $$$ over a year span. I save $200 a year on oil changes thanks to Amsoil.
Great video..
I used FR3 in my Freightliner on my last oil change. I have noticed absolutely no gains from using it.
I’ve used Amsoil now for 25 years including my Semi truck fleet and Amsoil is adamant that if you use any oil additives in any of their oils you must change that oil at regular manufacturers recommends. Additives contaminate and downgrade Amsoil.
Good to know. I’ve had awesome experience with amsoil and did some oil additive but I’ll not do that anymore with their stuff if need be. I heard they don’t mix well with others or lower its effectiveness. I used hotshots stiction in some older stuff and it did well, but no amsoil in the one work Cummins I did. It did a great job but I’ll prob use what I have then not buy the oil side again for fr3.
Everyone knocks Lucas oil thickener for no additives but they make a high mileage version with additives.
I just added a half qt to my f150 between oil changes and I get 2mpg more than I did with straight penzoil ultra platinum. This is one oil additive that has a purpose and needs to be considered over the old white bottle formula.
Hello Sir, does surface shield melt in summer? My undercoating starts to drip in last a few days and the coating was applied last October and I have confirmed those drippings on the floor is those undercoating. thank you
I use the same oil you do after watching several you tube experts. Which engine oil filter do you use?
Thank you for sharing your testing and data! I don’t know why manufacturers are allowed to market bullshit.
Nice work. Yea I’m not surprised. Its all patent medicine for motors
Run Rotella T6 15w40 and change every 5k. You'll get 500k to 1 m miles.
I've seen a particular engine "behave better" with "hot shots" , and that engine uses lube oil to drive the fuel injector, via an intensifier piston. But that engines oil is doing "more work" than a conventional DI or IDI diesel.
I would like to see the same test with the new SYNTHETIC Marvel Mystery Oil, please! I've added it to my 02 Tundra according to MMO directions and note that the engine is running smoother and quieter. Maybe it's good for shirt durations? Thanks!
I've been using Euro L for my Mercedes gas engine as it meets their 229.51 spec. Hopefully it's a solid oil.
The study you read is performed by Firepunk Diesel, as it says in the front page. It is not done by the manufacturer of the additive, they just paid for them to do it. The comments on the study are from Firepunk diesel and only reflect to their own small testing, so they are not related in any way to the manufacturers claims on the product page.
Other than that, I do agree on the conclusion that a small company making an additive that is somehow supposed to make oils from huge companies better than they can do, is ridiculous. It _may_ have an effect when the engine is already worn out of spec, a condition that a normal engine oil is not made for, so it may have some benefits for some amount of time. But even then, tha'ts not what they are claiming, they are just flat out claming that it makes oil better. And the two studies on their page, on the Cummins and Harley, neither makes any mention at all about engine condition (compression etc) or which and how old oil was in them.
Schaeffer's has a new 5w20 dexos diesel oil. It would be interesting to see how the oil profile would compare to your oil.
Can you do a test with wynn’s super friction proofing ?
I'm not a Hot Shot fan, but it's interesting how much higher the TBN was on that sample compared to the control sample.
Exactly. Hotshots is proven especially on the fuel side, and for me personally. Hotshots stiction eliminator is proven to me through three vehicles, and I have one more in testing that is non turbo.
It actually can and does yield 5%. Did you now small engines are able to free up power easier. A larger engine doesn’t show it as well.
Also, the penzoil being higher than hot shot means nothing. You and the Geek are smaller and have more R&D apparently. So just make claims of it worked and didn’t and here’s the data. Don’t blanket statements with all engines and set ups.
Good video
Tbn on this fr3 sample was much higher, so that makes me curious if they understand what is truly going on. Neither guy is an actual tribologist. I know for a fact hotshots fuel side is legit.
Also diluting the additive package when adding product to engine oil. I learned this from motoroilgeek.
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if you could test hotshots stiction eliminator that would be awesome!!!
@hotshots you have some explaining to do
@@digitalbillyI’ve used stiction eliminator in three vehicles and it improved turbo sound dramatically. I have it testing on my sisters NA Cadillac, with 100k miles so we’ll see how it does. I have had great success with amsoil on the oil side and great success with hotshots on fuel side.
I’d like to see ceratec same way tested. It would be interesting because it has crazy amount of boron and moly. Should give in 5 Liter oil about 300ppm moly and about 700ppm boron.
Schaffers moly EP considered useless now?
Remember Zmax fuel additive? HUGE motorsports sponsors, and the product is 99% mineral oil 😂
I would recommend trying M1 ESP X3 0W-40 since it's also Dexos2 and could perform better regarding wear. It's the Porsche 911 oil including the Cup cars. It has ZDDP up at the ACEA C3 limit.
I threw some 5w-40 T6 in it this time. I know the ash levels are slightly higher than the C3 limit but I just want to see what it does.
I just put 5w-40 T6 in my 2001 LB7 Duramax so I'll be waiting to see what you think of it.
@@RepairGeek It'll probably be fine also but some people on BITOG have noted it tends to aerate and foam more easily than other competing oils and it's kind of an old school formula. I think time has just passed it by.
@larryuptain3404 if you live in cold climate all the time then use it. Otherwise save your money and just use regular t4 15w40. Its like half the price and just change the oil everyt 3000 miles. Best thing for a diesel is to get rid of the sooted oil.
@@jonathoncatterson8901 Thanks for the input. More info is usually worth a look.
what about archoil 9100 used by nasa ive read. i like all the information you did and i like the motor oil geek channel also but he did not test archoil
Oh, and Lake said that FR3 seemed to be reacting with esters in oils. Evidently the PenzPlat 0W20 I used had very little. I believe FR3 is a silicone-based product ... but I can't say where I picked that up from.
I think it is an Ester base of some sort
@@mikeschlup5279 I didn't know different esters could clash and produce such bad results (Lake's UOA).
What about Utuber Project Farm testing FR3 with mobile 1 oil and the wear scar was less when the FR3 was added ???????
Just because you get a test result doesn't mean the test you did is relevant to what goes on in an engine. No engine operates with cold oil and nothing in an engine is lubricated like the Timken test he did.
Todd himself said his test in an engine had no load, and a longer test would provide some great information:
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Wonder if their fuel additives are worth anything?
Been running the Euro L in my Cruze Diesel for 100k miles (251k total on car)
Seems to be a similar thing ive seen with higher wear metals.
I've only sampled once with this oil, and due to the higher mileage of the car i just attributed it to that.
I was skeptical, until project farm did his testing including hotshots EDT, which blew everyone else out of the water. Their fuel side is certainly legit as it fixed my sisters dpf light, which after diesel extreme fixed it because not doing anything didn’t fix it. She started using EDT and Diesel Extreme then it went away. I will always do something for diesel fuel because it’s so dry and if your HPFP goes out that’s a lot more than one ounce of EDT per fill up. I’ve used Hotshots Stiction eliminator, two not mine and one mine, with one making much more turbo noise in the Cummins without the recommended amount. My TDI also makes more turbo noise than prior, but I mixed that with Amsoil Euro, which if there’s any oil that’s the best it’s amsoil by alot. But, I digress because you might not see “the return” you like but even this fr3 did show positive change, I.e. the tbn was alot higher.
Maybe they used the cheapest oil?
Project farm concurred with this except the extreme wear test….ill put a link below. Maybe you can do a similar test with multiple major brand oils?
Great information you present. I have only anecdotal experience with Pennzoil Euro L but imo there are much better diesel oils out there. Try basically any other brand, Mobil Delvac, Rotella or other “heavy duty” rated diesel oils. Your wear numbers are way too high on that Pennzoil.
I'm trying some T6 currently. We'll see...
0% falls within the claimed range of “up to 43%.”
You're not wrong... 😂
I would like to see fuel ox fuel additive vs Pittsburgh power fuel additive.
Test engine oil additive SFR 100 please
R.G., I saw Lake's video a couple days ago. I guess I got lucky with FR3. I used it with Pennzoil Platinum 0W20 and saw about a 2% bump in peak fuel economy and a very clean UOA (from Blackstone Labs). I wouldn't get it again ... but wanted to pass along my experience.
If it works for you great! Ambient conditions could easily account for the 2% MPG change.
A 2% bump in fuel economy is noise, dominated by the weather most likely. Glad you didn't have any issues though.
Or tire pressure.
That's interesting
The Oil Geek did not include the new Marvel Mystery Oil Synthetic specifically designed as an oil additive.
Thank for the great information. If HotShots oil additives are snake oil. Do their fuel additives work?
I'm not sure...
One thing on UOA...it's not a tool to compare oil to oil or additives etc. Wear metal rates are engine driven and will likely not vary much oil to oil. Folks want so badly to be able to see changes related to "which product is best" using UOA but it's the wrong tool. I've done dozens on the same vehicle over many years/'000s with different oils with no real statistical difference in wear metal rates (need to look at them as /'000 not absolute).
Exactly!
Motorhome is one to go with
There claims may be bunk... but they didn't mislead you buy the marketing... it says "UP TOO" ... not guaranteed.
Exactly!
"I have all the data!" Lol
Hello
Long time ago I tried the Hot Shot stuff on my Ford/ International 7.3 and found no gains (injector sticking). I started using the Archoil and it's done well for me.
My current truck, a 2005 F550 has well over 400k miles. The injectors have over 200k miles and no stiction problems. Until recently I ran Delo 5w40 with the Archoil (used it for a very long time) but the stores around here dont carry it anymore.
I do not know why. Started using Rotella and it does run a bit different.
That's my experience after 30 years working, driving and owning this huie engines.
Take it for whatever it's worth.
Which rotella T5/T6? Different in a good or bad way?
@jonmartin17
T6
Runs a tad warmer. Running the same truck for 15 years, one gets to know every noise and vibe.
After watching the Oil Geek video, it made me wonder if the Archoil/Rotella combination is not as good.
I service my truck every 5k miles.
Oil, filter, rotate the tires. The fuel filters every 10k miles. Air filter as required. Drive a lot offroad.
Archoil did nothing for my 7.3. 19 Years same truck.
Hot Shot Secret is just Esters bases that add friction modifyer to your oil. Its good stuff! Blackstone analisys can't see any base oil modifications, just metalic additives. Adding esters do protect your motor oil.
I've been using hot shots edt since my first tank in my new 3.0 lzo diesel. Now in wondering if it even does anything
This whole thing has me curious about diesel additives as well.
We go out of our way to make sure our engines will stay in great condition. they say with diesel you never really know what your getting .I sure hope there diesel additives do what they claim they do.
Well I don’t know either but Lake said fuel additives ARE beneficial although he did not test any. Like you, I’ve been running EDT in my ‘23 Duramax since new and it has 24k miles now. Hopefully I haven’t been wasting time or money.
"up to" are known as weasel words..similar to probably, might, likely may, maybe etc...they can place whatever claim they want after the weasel word(s) as the weasel word is an out if a product doesn't live up to it's 'claim'...or, alternately, by using the weasel words, there is no real claim.
The motor oil geek will probably get "Clinton'd"!......or "Boeing whistle blower'd"!
Oh you’re one of those 🤦♀️
😉😄
Use it for couple hundred miles always dump oil soon after oil treatment
Wow…just wow! Based on this review, it’s safe to say that their FR3 infused “Stiction Eliminator” oil additive is also questionable.
I'm wondering the same thing...
Ive done multiple vehicles with stiction and it certainly works. All three received more turbo noise(less friction on turbo shaft) and I’m testing my sisters NA Caddy with 100k miles. Amsoil is your best bet on oil side, hotshots on fuel side.
What PIDS available in the Banks monitor are relevant to analyzing an oil additive?
None... other then speculative.
@dozerboyd8784 well, if the additive claims an increase in fuel economy, HP, and decrease oil temp all of that can be monitored.
Acceleration rate over time can calculate HP at WOT, fuel flow rate gives insight into MPG's, and oil temp data gives insight into oil temp claims.
This doesn't even take into account the fact that if the truck burns less fuel, the emissions ate lower which, can be monitored and data logged as well.
And I have the weather data to be certain I'm doing an apples to apples comparison.
@@RepairGeek why would operating temperature be altered by an oil additive? Are the thermostats operating temps affected by the oil?
Fuel economy would be about the only pid that could possibly be a relevant measurement to your test.
I never claimed it was... Hot Shots did... I'm sure they are able to claim the oil temp decrease because of the claimed friction reduction. The problem is, I would be willing to bet over 90% of the heat in the oil is the result of the combustion process not from friction as they insinuate.
Climb a steep grade, I bet the oil temp rises. The internal friction you have at 2000 rpm should be a constant if it's flat land or a hill.
yes you did everything you could to to make it an apple to apples. 6k miles on a single new truck is hardly enough data to say there false claims. Assuming we disregard the fact you could easily skew the results intentionally or not.
I 100% agree additives are not for everyone, but they have their place when used appropriately.
I must be reading something wrong. You said FR3 is the left column. You put 165 more miles on it, and wear metals went down. Chopper, aluminum, potassium, boron, calcium, phosphorus, and zinc. Can someone explain how they went down?
And the hotshots tbn was much higher.
@Ruhdiculus which I'm sure you know is a good thing. I use all of hotshot secret products on my diesel and have no soot in my exhaust manifold. Which shocked the crap out of me.
@@richardmorel2501 tbn is a great thing, especially for diesel lol. But that’s crazy on your manifold. I think these tests they’re promoting other bs or truthfully looking for something else.
Thank you, another snake oil debunked but sadly it never ends, been following all this since the 80s with the Slick 50 craze.
Anything and everything from Hot Shots is Huile de Serpent.
Sounds like a good name for a cologne brand.