What are those screws in Logan's claws? What is the damage his hands take when he protracts his claws? Are there adamantium bullets left in his head? And what the X-rays of his skeleton will tell us. This video answers these and other interesting questions about our old acquaintance Wolverine, don't forget to put a like and enjoy watching.
I wanna know what sharpened those bone claws, there were normal cylindrical shaped bones like bones of fingers, but then they start looking like knives. What sharpened them? What changed their shape?
Logan's healing factor was low to near non-existent because he had Adamantium poisoning which was overwhelming his ability to heal since 90% of the healing factor ability was keeping the poisoning at bay which resulted in why in Logan he was old and he was not healing as fast since by then the Adamantium was breaking down in his body. Adamantium like all metals if left in the body will eventually break down
The “screws”picture is from X-Men 1. After that, in the comics, Logan lost his adamantium by Magneto, as far as I know and that resulted in that they discovered that his claws were natural and not surgically added to his body…. After that, they had to change that part in the movie-story too, and became much more interesting how his bones were laced with adamantium, and where the adamantium came from. It’s from a meteorite; it could be as well a part from the Wakandan meteorite: the vibranium that wasn’t as poisonous as the adamantium version, because that one was also found in Africa
@@ernst-janvisscher1366 in marvel 616 his claws were originally bone and a part of his mutation which was an adaptation of the claws being a part of his biology.
i always thought that the reason his healing failed in the movie logan was because his healing factor worsened with age in the movie logan he was almost 200 years old and i believe that his old age combined with his adamantium skeleton now poisoning him was the cause of his healing not being as good as it once was. also i think the reason his adamantium was slowly killing him was because when he was young and his healing factor was working he would have been immune to the poisoning effect but now not so much.
I have always loved seeing X-rays of Logan’s claws, the way they tear through the bone and muscle has always been simultaneously disgusting and cool as fuck.
"actually 🤓" I want stupid people to type "🤓" to show they are sheep and will regurgitate whatever they see online They never tear his bones. They only tear his muscles and tendons..... You clearly didn't read the comics 😂
His claws used to hurt him even when they were bones. The metal just made it all worse and poisoned his body ! Man suffered from beginning to the end of his life!
No shit they hurt, imagine having 3 sharp, pointy things in your arms and every time you wanna use them, they come out piercing through your flesh and any nerves where they’re located. Even if they’re made of wool, that’s still gonna hurt like a mother fucker.
@@fangslore9988 The metal isn't what was killing him. His healing ability is so powerful that it's fighting the poisoning non-stop. It's the ''antidote'' in the food and drinks which they implemented to eradicate the X gene that was the reason for his state. It basically slowed down his healing factor considerably.
I’ll never forget how they had Logan bloodied and horrified at his new claws in the flashbacks of the OG X-Men Movies, and then in Origins he just walks out and looks at them like “huh, how bout that”.
Logan is suffering from amnesia, and those scenes are dreams not flashbacks. What little he can remember is all twisted together with his confused horror at what he's had to suffer through since losing his memory, and his assumption that no one would go through that willingly. Imagination makes half-remembered trauma worse.
@@dahken417...or they were actual flashbacks, and a different director decided "screw continuity" (which ironically could've been the catchphrase of the franchise).
The amount of pain that Wolverine has endured would be beyond anyone else. And the pain he's gone through has to give him some mental strength we can't fathom.
I believe that the reason he is able to go through those mental things is because his healing factor heals his memory too. (Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe I read or heard it somewhere)
@@VIRGINCYCLOPStrue man. Frank is a beast, marine vet, and now a vigilante which is a label he didn't want but the label he got, like daredevil, murdock didn't choose daredevil but hells kitchen called him that and he accepted it. Frank didn't call himself the punisher but it's what the people call him and he accepts it. Frank has been through a lot
Along with Logan’s accelerated healing, he also has an innate ability to spike his adrenaline increasing his speed, strength, and X factor ability, as well making pain irrelevant. He was a perfect subject for the program
fun fact Wolverine's mutant X gene made him closer to being a wolf or other predatory animal genetically than other humans including animalistic secondary mutations including a much stronger self-preservation instinct as well as heightened sense of smell, hearing and visual equity giving him much better vision than humans this also allows him to see perfectly in the dark without needing torches or night vision goggles he basically has night vision LMAO
Humans can also spike adrenaline :) learn if you wanna. its useful rarely.. unless you do parkour or stuntwork. then its very useful just dont overdue it and become an addict
2:13 Which is why Logan is the only one who's able to survive such a procedure, his regeneration is working on overdrive trying to keep him alive, and he almost did die during the procedure.
@@Cool_story_bro_nobody_caresin x-men origins Wolverine victor was told he would die that his body wouldn’t be able to take it. In the comics I don’t think sabretooth was ever interested in the experiment
I think it's more plausible that the claws with the screws are a practical set Hugh Jackman was using while filming and never intended for a closeup. This was before the advent of Blu-ray and 4K television made super detailed scrutiny possible.
I love this explanation because it sounds like such a classic movie making quirk that fans or subsequent writing dont know any better and ends up incorporating as part of the lore.
Especially since the screws aren’t present in other films, along with the exact claw designs repeatedly changing until The Wolverine and Days Of Future Past established a set design kept by future installments, including the latest Deadpool film involving an alternate version of the character.
This is the real explanation lmao, they were screwed onto the rig that makes them appear to "bend" from magnetos powers. They simply have screws because they had to attach it to the animatronic and thought they wouldn't show up on film
Yeah, it's clear the writers of the first and second X-Men movies were going with the claws being artificial implants which is far more brutal and traumatic than just coating his bones. They full on surgically twisted and distorted his body like nazi scientist all because he could heal. Now that's horrifying. It's actually implied that they're not naturally a part of him when in a flash back he's screaming in horror at the sight of them. They were obviously going with the pre 1993 comics before Magneto stripped his metal. I'm thinking that they may have not even known?
The Origin comic came out after the first movie, and I’m pretty sure that’s the first time it was explained that Logan had bone claws originally. I’m fairly certain they were originally going with the idea that the claws were implants, because Stryker even said in X2 “you were an animal then, you’re an animal now, I just gave you claws”. Pretty nonsensical to say if he already had them.
@@alexman378well, if the claws originally were just bone and easily broken like we see in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, then Stryker would’ve given him claws that are actually deadly weapons on a massive scale
Take th claws with a grain of salt IMHO. I personally like that he had them originally as bone. But not everyone does and he has been retconned to he'll and bad
Well, his original "claws" had very little slashing capabilities. Only in more recent examples has his bone claws been depicted as bladed. In most versions after the bone claws origin, they're more or less foot long bone spikes. So striker saying "I just gave you claws" makes sense. As now he's able to use them is a slashing fashion, as opposed to needing to directly hit his target. In origins, he's seen mostly using the bone to puncture things, preferring to throw his body weight into each blow for full penetration. After his skeleton is bonded, he begins using the blades more to swipe and cut through things.
Dr. Rice: I believe you know my father from the Weapon X Program. Logan: Yeah. He's the asshole who put this poison in me. I think I might've killed him.
yes, Logan knew very well that the Adamantium was killing him, metal does break down in the human body and metal degenerates as it breaks down so longer its there the faster the process happens if Logan didn't have a healing factor the metal poisoning most likely be deadly
@@TheGoldenSwitch I don't think so. It's been seen inside Stryker's lab that adamantium can be kept past its boiling point quite easily, in a small vat. also, in Wolverine (the one in Japan), it was seen that an adamantium blade, just heated to red hot, cut through adamantium like it's nothing. On the other hand, look at Ultron's Vibraniun form in Age of Ultron. Towards the end of the final fight, Ultron takes Iron Man's repulsors, Thor's lightning, and Vision's mind stone beam head on, and the metal is only just then starting to melt. I don't know much about toughness, and I've not read the comics for either franchise, but if Vibranium has a much higher melting point than Adamantium, it can be assumed it's an overall tougher material.
It's awesome you are one of the few people to get it correct about the genetically altered corn syrup weakening Logan and not Adamantium poisoning. Also, there was one unfired adamantium bullet left in the gun Stryker shot Logan with. Though it was never shown, more than likely that is the bullet Logan kept with him all those years.
A theory is that his body constantly fights against his adamantium, which in turn put his healing factor in overdrive and made it fail on him. I always thought it was a mix of both
@mariushaeberle85 this is what I believed. That the GMO corn syrup weakened Logans healing ability to where the adamntium actually began to poison and weaken him.
actually it was the adamantium the altered corn syrup doesn't affect mutants with healing factors due to their immunity to poisons. the adamantium was breaking down in his very body causing metal poisoning which his body would try to heal and as it progressed it would have overwhelmed his body's natural ability to heal since he would have been fighting fatal levels of adamantium poisoning at that point in his life. he even said he already knew what was killing him as he rubbed his knuckles, he didn't know about the corn syrup at that point implying it was severe metal poisoning since all metals break down eventually and when they start breaking down they will then break down faster and faster as time goes on, this is proven through titanium hip replacements
@@fangslore9988 yeah but later on the guy explains to him how it's in all energy drinks and other food items. Just because he didn't know about it before it doesn't mean that it wasn't affecting his healing ability.
@@cyclonehebb06rt it doesn't shut down powers it prevents the X-gene from being present in infants, they never said it takes away their powers, and remember all the food Logan was eating Caliban and Xavia was eating, and Xavia was suffering the accumulated effects of over-using cerebro during the crisis trying to track down mutants. the mutant population was also hunted by the company to create a mutant blood bank to clone mutants for the weapon X program's revival. if it could cure mutants of their powers than Xavia would have lost his powers and the same with Caliban which didn't happen.
What?! I mean if we are talking strictly just his powers I don't know who wouldn't be signing up for healing factor and bone claws. I mean you don't have to use the bone claws if it is extremely painful but I would rather have bone claws and not need to use them over not having bone claws and find myself in a situation that calls for bone claws.
We know they didn’t remove his bone claws and they were coated with adamantium as they grow back through the remains of the metal ones that were cut off in the Wolverine.
I feel like the second xman movie, Logan had organic claws. They were shaved down slightly, and acid etch them, letting what ever structure or coating placed around it to fully bond with the bone. Basically veneers from hell
That xray shot of his claws coming out is one of my favorite shots in film history. When i saw that in theaters i was amazed. Felt like i could understand the pain he feels.
Great video. Ngl Wolverine definitely had a lot of pain during the Logan movie. Almost every single day he would have to wipe the blood off before retracting the claws injuring his hand in the process.
not just that but metal poisoning from the decay of his adamantium skeleton enhancement must of had a lot of other symptoms. he a few times looked like he was also ready to be sick
6:30 - That's how I always assumed the process worked, even as a kid reading the comics: the metal was applied _over_ the bones, not injected _into_ them. He's essentially wearing body armour... only it's internal, and more "skeleton armour". That's why his body and flesh still gets damaged (albiet briefly).
To each their own I guess. But looking at how the claws would realistically look like leaving his hands, I feel they went with the best visual representation of his claws popping. It would look weird coming out the top, but you also have to keep in mind his claws were curved then. With his straighter claws, it makes sense for them to come out between his knuckles. It's in a more secure place and looks sturdier
Isn’t the whole point that Wolverine was able to get the adamantium is because of his healing factor being so strong? So even if it fills the bone, his healing factor essentially ensures that only the bone is bonded and his marrow is kept safe
I believe it's theorized a few times that his healing factor relies on his bone marrow, like the OP said in the video with the clone, they fucked his healing up I think by letting it into the marrow. Our bone marrow is where all the info and stem cells are stored, all the stuff Logans body needs to know how to regenerate the damaged cells of any injury, and what state they were in immediately before injury. Thats how I've often seen the regrowth of his hair and beard to his normal style explained, cause how would the healing factor know, and why would it grow the hair beyond just the follicles, since the hair outside the body is just useless tissue and such
Now that you mention it, his wrists would swell when he uses his claws, and his forearms would be massive compared to normal people (muscle movement dedicated to extending and retracting the claws)
I like to think that at least in comics, part of Logans mutation is that the bones, muscles and tissues of his fore arms are arranged in a way thay the claws can come out without destroying his wrists and fore arms.
In the animated series there is a scene where a mutant suppresses other mutants powers, but Wolverine still extents his claws and says: "theres nothing mutant about these" And Im confused
This is why the scene of his claws getting cut off in The Wolverine always confused me, because after that, he still has the bone claws. It’s not like Stryker gave him new claws made of metal, he just coated the bones in metal, so wouldn’t he lose his bone claws too? Maybe I’m just an idiot, but that always frustrated me.
I'm pretty sure he did lose his bone claws but I think it's implied that later magneto and Xavier repaired it or something. Idk I always hated that too tbh
@@faiz5456the problem is the adamantium itself, we are not shown or it isn't implied that he can regenerate his adamantium skeleton in the movies (maybe he was able to at some point in the comics, haven't caught up on my X-Men) so while there is a possibility that he can regenerate his claws, it would just be the bone version of it unless the adamantium has fully integrated itself to his bones in a perfect symbiosis of sorts on the cellular level
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197I actually remember something along those lines where eventually after the adamantium was inside of logan for so long his healing factor converted it into this organic version of adamantium called adamantium beta I think.
The claws were coated with the adamantium, so when the claws where cut off, the bone claws inside the coating were now free to grow, so they grew back out of the holes left behind from being cut in half in the first place
The adamantium bullets were a profoundly stupid idea. If adamantium bullets could penetrate adamantium, his claws would cut through the adamantium coating of his bones on the way out as opposed to pushing the bones out of the way.
I never liked the adamantium bullets because the comics gave a much better explanation to how he lost his memory. The Weapon X comic and novel detailed about how he was found outside of a bar, given enough tranquilizer to kill several elephants, kept in a tank while they kept him under. He was injected with nano technology first before the adamantium to ensure that his bone marrow was left intact. The adamantium was then fused to his bones. Logan was still under at this point and he was then taken to another area of the lab, a helmet was affixed to his head in order to reprogram him to be a government weapon. He was made into a killing machine until he ultimately rebelled and escaped after decimating the lab. The metal in his body keeps his healing factor locked on overdrive and makes sure he doesn't succumb to metal poisoning. Of course, having it on overdrive means that it'll burn out much quicker than normal. Logan's mutation (besides the animal senses) is basically just our natural human ability to heal turned up to 1,000. Hell, I remember a comic series where he lost an eye. We couldn't grow one back, but he could. It just took a while. He went by Patch at that time. His healing factor has been vastly inflated over the years.
Not to mention, the amount of force required would be wayy more than what a handgun round could muster. Maybe some brain damage from the concussion of the bullet ricocheting off the skull, but it shouldn't be able to penetrate just because it's the same material.
Did they ever elaborate on how the adamantium transformed Logans bone claws into fully sharpened blades? Or is that just a cool thing nobody ever questioned? His original claws were more like giant pointy fingerbones, not sharpened blades like a knife.
In the original weapon x comics it was visually explained, as when Logan first came to after the adamantium process, his claws were spiny and bony, just metallic, and the scientists, after observing the claws, decided to forcibly hold his claws out while he was semi conscious to sharpen them, and to implant control devices in him, and from that point forward in the comics, his claws had the knife-sharp look.
The novel of the Weapon X comic book explained in great (and gruesome detail) how the scientists worked around the metal functioning harmoniously with his bone marrow
I thought that the adamantium sealing his bones inhibited his white blood cell production, which is used to fight infection. His healing factor compensated for the reduced natural healing, but as the modified foods suppressed his healing factor, he was slowly dying. Ironically had he chosen to go to Canada, or live on the boat, eating healthier would have allowed his healing factor to return.
I've never noticed the base of his claws having screws and hardware in X1 until now. That's such a cool detail. I always lamented the movies removal of the comic ports and moving the claws to being between his knuckles rather than back of hand. I like the read that the blades were surgically grafted onto his bone claws to bring in a little of that comic port influence. All of the trauma with popping his claws also make sense to me in the idea of mutations being random genetic happenstance, a lot of mutations and gene expressions aren't necessarily productive or reduce the quality of life in creatures and end up not being passed on especially if the mutation ends up traumatizing or killing the animal.
5:25 i mean, it's a fact that people adjust and adapt to pain, however we usually do so due to nerve damage. Essentially when you take repeated trauma to an area the nerves get damaged and can't send as many, or as strong impulses to your brain. Logan nerve centers regenerate, so the amount of pain will be consistent. Your ability to process and work through different stressors, such as pain can be developed however. Logan likely has developed a familiarity with the pain, but it hasn't dulled. 10:30 the bullets dropping out of his flesh are borderline illogical anyway. Most bullets chambered in a reasonably effective caliber can pass through a man his size. Or at least, you'd expect at least a couple of them to do so. That is, unless his muscles have become more dense due to his body needing to support the weight added by his metalic implants. Honestly, his body might at least find it easier to force them through the back if it's gonna reject the bullets. As a firearms nerd i would have either animated the bullets to ricochet off of his bones or pass through. I think bullets should be able to stick inside him. I just think that it'd rarely be a problem. Most of the time when bullets 32. And above stop in a human target it's because they were slowed by bone. Logans bones don't slow bullets. They stop bullets. If a bullet causes him discomfort he can dig it out himself. Having his body push the bullets out is pretty weird if you ask me. Of course the films don't know how he should interact with bullets. After all, a shot to the head knocked him unconcious in one of the films. It was a non adamantium round fired from a cop. I want to say in x3. It's hard to display how his body should realistically act with bullets without either downgrading him or making it a rated r film lol.
I agree with all your points, but I will add that Logan's muscle likely is much more dense than a regular person. He canonically has hugely impressive strength, something like that of 10 men his size or something. I remember reading that somewhere a long time ago. Probably much more when his adrenaline gets going. In the films his strength is clearly comparable to that of Steve Rogers just going off physical feats and how he's able to toss around fully grown men as if they weigh nothing to him. Steve Rogers doesn't technically have superhuman strength, but he's not that far off it.
because the wounds would heal around the blood vessels immediately as the claws extended then when they retracted the lacerations heal to reconnect blood vessels and other tissues
Original power hurt to use, tortured, and experimented beyond imagination. Power constantly repairs nerves under stress, new version causes more pain, including any "tugging" on the claws, and has been seen to be put through some of the most painful stuff on cinema. We've seen him break so many bones but I think Beast curb stomping his claws when they were bones really drove it home how much he goes through. No wonder he was finally ready to sleep. I always thought he would be able to gain a pain tolerance, but that healing factor is a double edged sword.
Nothing happens with adamantium bullets in his brain since adamantium can't pierce adamantium so the bullets just bounced off. No idea hot the film makers are doing with their logic but its quite bad.
Logan always had claws, even way back when his name was James. His claws were originally bone before the adamantine was put in his body and covered his bones. The X-Men Wolverine Origin movie was trash compared to the comic book. Also Sabretooth and Wolverine weren't originally brothers in the comic books.
Yes, that’s why he’s shown to be afraid of flights. If the plane fell, and he landed in the ocean, he’d drown repeatedly for eternity, and nobody would be able to find him.
@@alexman378 we actually see that a few times in the comics, one time he was able to walk back to shore with much struggle but the distance between him and the beach wasn't so big, so he didn't sink as deep in the water but he still drowned a few times. Another time was when the plane he was in was destroyed, Logan made it back to the beach thanks to a Shark grabbing him with his jaw in an attempt to eat him, while fighting the shark Logan used this opportunity to get the animal to go as close to land as it could while they fought. Another instance is when Wolverine is shown fighting in a large river, while he does somewhat sink he can still swim rather well although with more effort than any normal human would, his weight also helped him move against the river's flow
@@hokutoshinken-chrisarmstro131That doesn’t make sense as we’ve seen him swim in the comics many times before. He got used to the weight of the adamntium to the point that he got near superhuman strength.
@@Mr.PR2000chimps also have incredible strength, but can't swim due to being so dense and having so little body fat. Being strong doesn't make it any easier to stay afloat and above the surface. But yeah Wolverine does have near superhuman levels of strength, it's part of his natural mutations.
It’s weird when you say that his body doesn’t reject the adamantium bullets like his survival factor is a living thing that recognises the potential for having this super metal grafted to his bones. I say survival factor because In one comic Logan was decapitated and woke up in the presence of nick fury as a head. Logan asked how he was even talking let alone breathing, nick said that the pours in his skin were being replacement lungs absorbing oxygen around him. Knowing that his healing factor is capable of such things why doesn’t his survival factor grown new tissue out of the gaps in order to split Logan in half so he can essentially shed the skeleton. If it is holding onto the adamantium bullets it might be trying to patch up the holes in Logan head and cover it with the adamantium bullet since there would be a regular bit of bone not covered making it a clear weak point. Another comic had magneto remove Logan’s metal however it resulted in logan essentially evolving as his survival factor spent all its time on the metal like multiple people trying to fit through the same door and it just kept piling on.
The "survival factor" thing you talk about is only in the ultimate universe. 616 and every other continuity is a healing factor, so referring to it as a survival factor is factually wrong unless you're talking about the ultimate version of the character.
Interesting that you say that, it was Wolverine's healing abilities that Deadpool was given as part of the Weapon X program, but because it's sort of "artificial", it's not quite as potent as Wolverine's healing factor. At least that's my understanding, anyway.
Your one of the only people on TH-cam that I’ve ever seen talk about how Logan can totally fuck up his claw display if he does it with his wrists bent 😂
I assume they maybe shaved down the bone claws to a degree. Although that's not depicted in the Origins movie. That detail has always bothered me too lol
The Marvel TTRP Game published by TSR in the 80’s. Every time the claws were popped out caused damage, didn’t mater much in game terms because of the regeneration. Also if Wolverine just used fists extra damage was caused because of the harder fists.
He has his bone claws in his adamantium ones. When that japanese guy, he saved in ww2, tries to steal logans healing factor, he cuts the claws and drills into the bone marrow of them
That needle scene's the most horrifying thing ever. I always wondered how they covered the bones equally by so little entry points. My non science based guess would be relying on cooling and Wolverine's regeneration: As the adamantuim seeps over his bones it just keeps burning and moves around by capillary action, covering more ground as adamantium cools down on the bone area contact; While simultaneously can't bind and burn away under the skin to go around more while being artificially cooled by the liquid bath he's in. No wonder why the procedure's deadly, if it wasn't for the controlled environement and the insane rapid regeneration Wolverine has. One thing it always bugged me are the claws, it's pretty likely they're surgically inserted before the adamantium injection but it was paradoxically said and shown explicitly in the movies he got all adamantine'd up in one go and escaped after the procedure's done. Like how... since logan's claws weren't knife shaped to be covered like that. Also if it's pre-installed on him, how the cast adamantium's not welded with the claws? Idk this stuff always bugged me ever since, now growing up i understand it's for the one cinematic reveal where wolverine's all adamantinum clawed rebirth scene take place yet it still doesn't feel right, it'd be probably more beneficial to show the drawn-outedness of the procedure to hammer in the point only Wolverine could survive the full procedure and why he's that special. Movies man I swear to God...
Yeah I love that film for what it is, but I wish they hadn't over-simplified the Weapon X experiments so much. In the film it's literally a walk-in walk-out day procedure and so many important details are left out.
yo wtf i only now saw how bad cgi was in origins 1:33 how the fingers go into the claws and overall shitty cgi damn i have no idea how i did not catch that whenevr i watched that movie
… his claws should actually be “CLAWS” = Coming out of your fingers, just like Sabertooth. It makes no sense that even his bone claws to stick out, because what happens if it meets resistance = The bones are going to be bent out of his fist, same applies to his Adamantium claws.
None of this makes sense. The only thing that would make sense is that adamantium can replace calcium in the bones, effectively bounding at an atomic level, kinda like Strontium can replace calcium.
His claws being inside his arms/wrist as you pointed out dos not make to much sense. That is why in the comics they are on top of his arms and come out on top of his hands.
@@wukongthemonkeyking249 thought he would have some sort of immunity against it with his healing. He mentioned to the doc that he knows what’s killing him saying “its in me” pointing to the adamantium. I mean the adamantium definitely weakened him and poisoned him as well. How much though vs the food? Idk. If he didn’t eat the food would he be better off? Would the adamantium still be to much?
@@Mitchell999 Yea it is the food actually, yes his new skeleton is making his healing factor work 24/7 but that isn't what's killing him rather it's specifically the corn syrup he's consuming on a daily basis as well as some of the other food. There's a big misconception about the adamantium, if it was that alone he'd quite literally be immortal and never age a day, but it's due to his healing factor working 24/7 that the food he's intaking is capable of affecting that much. It's been a while since I watched the movie but if I recall they explain that "The boss made them change some ingredients etc of the corn syrup* also that boss they were talking about runs Essex, who in the comics is Mr.Sinister, so yea they more or less explained what was the main factor killing him in the movies.
@@Mitchell999 Also yes & no, he'd of been better off not eating food however that'd of been another layer of pain for him that'd of become increasingly worse over time, after no one like going extended periods of time without eating/drinking
4:48 I like to think that the internal membranes and matrices in Logan’s forearm and wrist are slightly different to allow for the claws to slip past muscle mindless and connective tissues instead of outright severing them. It would still hurt because you’re still pulling muscles away from their anchor points but it won’t leave the wolverine without any control for more than just a split second.
That's what I always assumed. The claws are a natural part of him, and it's clear that they do some damage to him, but I always imagined they kind of "slot in" little internal gaps kind of like a cat's claws retracting into their paws, and the main damage is when they have to break the skin. I could be wrong though, but that's what I always imagined.
What an absolute brilliant video and explanation of this. Thank you I very much enjoyed this and looking forward to checking out the rest of your channel if I haven't already. Peace 🕊️ Maca E'Q'Lib I also got what you meant about him drinking as it would be pointless he would definitely be better off eating cannabis edibles may also actually calm him down and actually make him feel something? Maybe.
X-Men fans who only know the lore through the movies may not understand just how much of a sick f*** William Stryker was when it came to his experiments on mutants + his sheer hatred & dehuminization of them. The things he subjected mutants to make Francis's torturous treatments on Wade Wilson to unlock his mutation look tame in comparison. Bolivar Trask, who created the Sentinels that almost wiped out mutankind, doesn't approach Stryker's depths of brutality. Even the abuses Deadpool 2's Headmaster put Rusty through aren't on the same level of damage (This is NOT to say or imply that different forms of abuse aren't equally valid, of course; I'm only specifying differences in physical trauma). The Headmaster is in some ways closer to Stryker in the comics since the movies don't emphasize his religious fanaticism. In the source material, he not only believed that mutation is a plot by Satan to destroy humanity from within. He murdered his wife & son shortly after childbirth upon learning that Jason was a mutant. Stryker was like a Nazi scientist on steroids and would've fit right in with HYDRA, had their values aligned. It's horrifying to think about the mutants who suffered treatments even more agonizing than Logan's (i.e. the "failures" that helped Stryker work out the kinks for Adamantium implantation). To this day, he remains one of Marvel's most morally reprehensible characters.
I love Wolverine but the level of "healing" just begs for so many questions...if he can truly come back k fr beig incinerated what's stopping him from effectively cloning himself? What determines which parts do and don't grow an entire other person? How is he not just a pile of cancer? Etc..
In the comics, it's said that the Adamantium and bone are basically the same thing, so all the bone functions still work like normal while being unbreakable.
The screws we could see when magneto was flexing wolverines claws were a production slip. They were part of the props used in the scene and the post production team just didn’t catch them to scrub them from the shot.
The limitation of what PG-13 movies can show or not always acknowledging the fact that his claws are creating holes in his hands. There’s a lot of possibilities
We wouldn't want the marrow replayed, just plating around the bones... they could have taken his bones out... like a femur--plated it, then put it back in?
Got to wonder what the original idea for “you volunteered for it” was gonna go. After all it was clear from x2 that this was a long and horrific procedure and his brief horror at seeing his claws so you have to wonder how far that “you volunteered” was stretched.
They should give logan/wolverine the rambo treatment. He want to be a loner and then some weirdos start fucking with him and boom he does what he's the best at doing
One of the funniest moments is when Mistique was mimicking X-Men members and Cyclops is so ready to open his visor, but stops when he realized the Wolverine in front of him is the real one when he says “you’re a dick.” As both of them don’t get along at all 🤣
It was also hilarious when Mystique actually tried to fight Wolverine after taking his form and got completely wrecked. Like girl, you might look like him right now but you don't have adamantium or a healing factor lmao
Well, he didn't need to remove the bullet from his body to obtain it. You said Stryker only put 5 bullets in him from his revolver. meaning that there was one more left unfired.
I think, the adamantium bullets stay for far longer than lead ones, but they do eventually come out. Not because his body rejects them, but because the new tissue pushes it out. I imagine he wakes up one day and finds an adamantium bullet by his head.
that's a fucking genius angle i never thought of. they poisoned the food supply to stop mutations, but no one talked about what that food does to people who are already mutants. it would explain why logans healing factor weakens so much in addition to his aging as well as xavier etc.
I see the only way for it to work, would be, that, because adamantium is indestructible, then it doesn't matter it it is even a millimeter thick, it will work. Also, that where is muscles attach to his bones, those portions would be skipped over and coated around with the adamantium. So basically, his claws and his muscles attached to his bones, would remain and the claws would be fuzed together when they were so close together in Logan's forearms. This would actually work, and Logan's bones wouldn't have adamantium interwoven, so that his bone marrow wouldn't be compromised.
@@FilthyToes14267 I guess I meant to say that I ont think that his bones became spliced with adamantium. That it didn't penetrate, but was woven around the bones, like how a piece of chicken is completely covered in the deep fryer with oil
One of the greatest superheroes and he suffered his entire life because of the pain he felt from his own abilities. Kick-ass abilities, but still painful. All Wolverine all day long
At least in the comics, they were forcibly sharpened by the scientists in the Weapon X program after being coated. At least from what I remember. It has always bothered me that Origins didn't explain it in the film. Although the entire process was simplified and shorted a lot for the film. The comics went into way more detail and it wasn't a short procedure either.
as a person studying bioengineering and is on a wolverine kick right now, this video was made for me! really well put together, loved it so much. thanks for sharing :]
What are those screws in Logan's claws? What is the damage his hands take when he protracts his claws? Are there adamantium bullets left in his head? And what the X-rays of his skeleton will tell us. This video answers these and other interesting questions about our old acquaintance Wolverine, don't forget to put a like and enjoy watching.
I wanna know what sharpened those bone claws, there were normal cylindrical shaped bones like bones of fingers, but then they start looking like knives. What sharpened them? What changed their shape?
Logan's healing factor was low to near non-existent because he had Adamantium poisoning which was overwhelming his ability to heal since 90% of the healing factor ability was keeping the poisoning at bay which resulted in why in Logan he was old and he was not healing as fast since by then the Adamantium was breaking down in his body. Adamantium like all metals if left in the body will eventually break down
The “screws”picture is from X-Men 1.
After that, in the comics, Logan lost his adamantium by Magneto, as far as I know and that resulted in that they discovered that his claws were natural and not surgically added to his body….
After that, they had to change that part in the movie-story too, and became much more interesting how his bones were laced with adamantium, and where the adamantium came from.
It’s from a meteorite; it could be as well a part from the Wakandan meteorite: the vibranium that wasn’t as poisonous as the adamantium version, because that one was also found in Africa
@@ernst-janvisscher1366 in marvel 616 his claws were originally bone and a part of his mutation which was an adaptation of the claws being a part of his biology.
i always thought that the reason his healing failed in the movie logan was because his healing factor worsened with age in the movie logan he was almost 200 years old and i believe that his old age combined with his adamantium skeleton now poisoning him was the cause of his healing not being as good as it once was.
also i think the reason his adamantium was slowly killing him was because when he was young and his healing factor was working he would have been immune to the poisoning effect but now not so much.
I have always loved seeing X-rays of Logan’s claws, the way they tear through the bone and muscle has always been simultaneously disgusting and cool as fuck.
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They never tear his bones. They only tear his muscles and tendons..... You clearly didn't read the comics 😂
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His claws used to hurt him even when they were bones. The metal just made it all worse and poisoned his body ! Man suffered from beginning to the end of his life!
No shit they hurt, imagine having 3 sharp, pointy things in your arms and every time you wanna use them, they come out piercing through your flesh and any nerves where they’re located. Even if they’re made of wool, that’s still gonna hurt like a mother fucker.
it would have been unnoticeable at first until the metal started breaking down in his body which took decades to happen
@@fangslore9988 The metal isn't what was killing him. His healing ability is so powerful that it's fighting the poisoning non-stop. It's the ''antidote'' in the food and drinks which they implemented to eradicate the X gene that was the reason for his state. It basically slowed down his healing factor considerably.
The metal never poisoned wolverine, he only started to lose his healing factor because of poisoned corn syrup that inhibits mutant abilities.
@@enviousshogun he lost his healing factor which would’ve lead to the metal poisoning.
I’ll never forget how they had Logan bloodied and horrified at his new claws in the flashbacks of the OG X-Men Movies, and then in Origins he just walks out and looks at them like “huh, how bout that”.
Logan is suffering from amnesia, and those scenes are dreams not flashbacks. What little he can remember is all twisted together with his confused horror at what he's had to suffer through since losing his memory, and his assumption that no one would go through that willingly. Imagination makes half-remembered trauma worse.
@@dahken417...or they were actual flashbacks, and a different director decided "screw continuity" (which ironically could've been the catchphrase of the franchise).
@@iceman00behave I'm giving you an in-universe explanation. Who gives a crap what the director thought about continuity?
@@dahken417he had those flashbacks the moment he entered the pool chamber. He started to remember
@dahken417 because it's actually a retcon, like many things in X-men. to say that they were dreams, that's not been established in the movies
The amount of pain that Wolverine has endured would be beyond anyone else.
And the pain he's gone through has to give him some mental strength we can't fathom.
How he's not as insane as Deadpool says something about that mental strength also.
I believe that the reason he is able to go through those mental things is because his healing factor heals his memory too. (Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe I read or heard it somewhere)
Wolverine survived being Gassed and a Atomic bomb. The Adamantium rip from his Skeleton.
now imagine the pain frank castle endured and hes a normal human being 😂
@@VIRGINCYCLOPStrue man. Frank is a beast, marine vet, and now a vigilante which is a label he didn't want but the label he got, like daredevil, murdock didn't choose daredevil but hells kitchen called him that and he accepted it. Frank didn't call himself the punisher but it's what the people call him and he accepts it. Frank has been through a lot
I think that’s one of the main reasons I love Wolverine as a character half his ability is body horror
Along with Logan’s accelerated healing, he also has an innate ability to spike his adrenaline increasing his speed, strength, and X factor ability, as well making pain irrelevant. He was a perfect subject for the program
Is that his berserker rage thing?
fun fact Wolverine's mutant X gene made him closer to being a wolf or other predatory animal genetically than other humans including animalistic secondary mutations including a much stronger self-preservation instinct as well as heightened sense of smell, hearing and visual equity giving him much better vision than humans this also allows him to see perfectly in the dark without needing torches or night vision goggles he basically has night vision LMAO
Read the Weapon X graphic novel sometime and it’s more from the scientists perspective when working on him and the body horror aspect is intense
Humans can also spike adrenaline :) learn if you wanna. its useful rarely.. unless you do parkour or stuntwork. then its very useful
just dont overdue it and become an addict
@@heroicsquirrel3195 technically yes.. but that was adrenaline rusher under usage of mushrooms during battle lol
2:13 Which is why Logan is the only one who's able to survive such a procedure, his regeneration is working on overdrive trying to keep him alive, and he almost did die during the procedure.
What bout lady deathstrike or victor creed?
@@Cool_story_bro_nobody_cares well they have the same abilities as logan anyway lol
@@Cool_story_bro_nobody_caresin x-men origins Wolverine victor was told he would die that his body wouldn’t be able to take it. In the comics I don’t think sabretooth was ever interested in the experiment
Rogue: "when they come out, does it hurt?"
Wolverine: *"EVERYTIME."*
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I think it's more plausible that the claws with the screws are a practical set Hugh Jackman was using while filming and never intended for a closeup. This was before the advent of Blu-ray and 4K television made super detailed scrutiny possible.
I love this explanation because it sounds like such a classic movie making quirk that fans or subsequent writing dont know any better and ends up incorporating as part of the lore.
It's this. LMAO. They're not in any of the other movies.
Especially since the screws aren’t present in other films, along with the exact claw designs repeatedly changing until The Wolverine and Days Of Future Past established a set design kept by future installments, including the latest Deadpool film involving an alternate version of the character.
This is the real explanation lmao, they were screwed onto the rig that makes them appear to "bend" from magnetos powers. They simply have screws because they had to attach it to the animatronic and thought they wouldn't show up on film
I mean film has more details than digital and this was in theaters
Yeah, it's clear the writers of the first and second X-Men movies were going with the claws being artificial implants which is far more brutal and traumatic than just coating his bones. They full on surgically twisted and distorted his body like nazi scientist all because he could heal. Now that's horrifying. It's actually implied that they're not naturally a part of him when in a flash back he's screaming in horror at the sight of them. They were obviously going with the pre 1993 comics before Magneto stripped his metal. I'm thinking that they may have not even known?
The Origin comic came out after the first movie, and I’m pretty sure that’s the first time it was explained that Logan had bone claws originally.
I’m fairly certain they were originally going with the idea that the claws were implants, because Stryker even said in X2 “you were an animal then, you’re an animal now, I just gave you claws”.
Pretty nonsensical to say if he already had them.
@@alexman378well, if the claws originally were just bone and easily broken like we see in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, then Stryker would’ve given him claws that are actually deadly weapons on a massive scale
@@Gibbypastrami That’s different. That would be “I just gave you *stronger* claws”. The way he phrased it, was as if they didn’t exist before.
Take th claws with a grain of salt IMHO. I personally like that he had them originally as bone. But not everyone does and he has been retconned to he'll and bad
Well, his original "claws" had very little slashing capabilities.
Only in more recent examples has his bone claws been depicted as bladed.
In most versions after the bone claws origin, they're more or less foot long bone spikes.
So striker saying "I just gave you claws" makes sense. As now he's able to use them is a slashing fashion, as opposed to needing to directly hit his target.
In origins, he's seen mostly using the bone to puncture things, preferring to throw his body weight into each blow for full penetration.
After his skeleton is bonded, he begins using the blades more to swipe and cut through things.
Dr. Rice: I believe you know my father from the Weapon X Program.
Logan: Yeah. He's the asshole who put this poison in me. I think I might've killed him.
yes, Logan knew very well that the Adamantium was killing him, metal does break down in the human body and metal degenerates as it breaks down so longer its there the faster the process happens if Logan didn't have a healing factor the metal poisoning most likely be deadly
@@fangslore9988 What if Vibranium was implanted inside of Logan?
@davekisman2763 Isn't Adamantium stronger than Vibranium?
@@TheGoldenSwitch I don't think so. It's been seen inside Stryker's lab that adamantium can be kept past its boiling point quite easily, in a small vat. also, in Wolverine (the one in Japan), it was seen that an adamantium blade, just heated to red hot, cut through adamantium like it's nothing.
On the other hand, look at Ultron's Vibraniun form in Age of Ultron. Towards the end of the final fight, Ultron takes Iron Man's repulsors, Thor's lightning, and Vision's mind stone beam head on, and the metal is only just then starting to melt.
I don't know much about toughness, and I've not read the comics for either franchise, but if Vibranium has a much higher melting point than Adamantium, it can be assumed it's an overall tougher material.
@@TheGoldenSwitch in the comics adamantium is an alloy made from Vibranium
It's awesome you are one of the few people to get it correct about the genetically altered corn syrup weakening Logan and not Adamantium poisoning. Also, there was one unfired adamantium bullet left in the gun Stryker shot Logan with. Though it was never shown, more than likely that is the bullet Logan kept with him all those years.
A theory is that his body constantly fights against his adamantium, which in turn put his healing factor in overdrive and made it fail on him.
I always thought it was a mix of both
@mariushaeberle85 this is what I believed. That the GMO corn syrup weakened Logans healing ability to where the adamntium actually began to poison and weaken him.
actually it was the adamantium the altered corn syrup doesn't affect mutants with healing factors due to their immunity to poisons. the adamantium was breaking down in his very body causing metal poisoning which his body would try to heal and as it progressed it would have overwhelmed his body's natural ability to heal since he would have been fighting fatal levels of adamantium poisoning at that point in his life. he even said he already knew what was killing him as he rubbed his knuckles, he didn't know about the corn syrup at that point implying it was severe metal poisoning since all metals break down eventually and when they start breaking down they will then break down faster and faster as time goes on, this is proven through titanium hip replacements
@@fangslore9988 yeah but later on the guy explains to him how it's in all energy drinks and other food items. Just because he didn't know about it before it doesn't mean that it wasn't affecting his healing ability.
@@cyclonehebb06rt it doesn't shut down powers it prevents the X-gene from being present in infants, they never said it takes away their powers, and remember all the food Logan was eating Caliban and Xavia was eating, and Xavia was suffering the accumulated effects of over-using cerebro during the crisis trying to track down mutants. the mutant population was also hunted by the company to create a mutant blood bank to clone mutants for the weapon X program's revival. if it could cure mutants of their powers than Xavia would have lost his powers and the same with Caliban which didn't happen.
Logan's got to be the coolest superhero whose powers nobody wants
What?! I mean if we are talking strictly just his powers I don't know who wouldn't be signing up for healing factor and bone claws. I mean you don't have to use the bone claws if it is extremely painful but I would rather have bone claws and not need to use them over not having bone claws and find myself in a situation that calls for bone claws.
I'd rather have his powers than Daredevil's.
We know they didn’t remove his bone claws and they were coated with adamantium as they grow back through the remains of the metal ones that were cut off in the Wolverine.
Yeah and his skeleton can grow back (because it’s a part of his bones and mutation now.) This guy just wants to believe his own theories lol
yeah but the wolverine was done by different people
I feel like the second xman movie, Logan had organic claws. They were shaved down slightly, and acid etch them, letting what ever structure or coating placed around it to fully bond with the bone. Basically veneers from hell
That xray shot of his claws coming out is one of my favorite shots in film history. When i saw that in theaters i was amazed. Felt like i could understand the pain he feels.
Great video. Ngl Wolverine definitely had a lot of pain during the Logan movie. Almost every single day he would have to wipe the blood off before retracting the claws injuring his hand in the process.
not just that but metal poisoning from the decay of his adamantium skeleton enhancement must of had a lot of other symptoms. he a few times looked like he was also ready to be sick
@@fangslore9988 True.
6:30 - That's how I always assumed the process worked, even as a kid reading the comics: the metal was applied _over_ the bones, not injected _into_ them. He's essentially wearing body armour... only it's internal, and more "skeleton armour". That's why his body and flesh still gets damaged (albiet briefly).
I prefer how in the comics the claws ejected from above his fingers not between the fingers.
facts. His healing was better in Clairmont days & more grounded.
Looks like everything else peaking in the 90's.
Nah. It doesn’t make sense. Coming between. Makes more sense
@@chespiarce00and looks more evenly distributed across the hand.
@@chespiarce00Mutant powers don't make sense but we love it anyway.
To each their own I guess. But looking at how the claws would realistically look like leaving his hands, I feel they went with the best visual representation of his claws popping. It would look weird coming out the top, but you also have to keep in mind his claws were curved then. With his straighter claws, it makes sense for them to come out between his knuckles. It's in a more secure place and looks sturdier
Isn’t the whole point that Wolverine was able to get the adamantium is because of his healing factor being so strong? So even if it fills the bone, his healing factor essentially ensures that only the bone is bonded and his marrow is kept safe
I believe it's theorized a few times that his healing factor relies on his bone marrow, like the OP said in the video with the clone, they fucked his healing up I think by letting it into the marrow. Our bone marrow is where all the info and stem cells are stored, all the stuff Logans body needs to know how to regenerate the damaged cells of any injury, and what state they were in immediately before injury. Thats how I've often seen the regrowth of his hair and beard to his normal style explained, cause how would the healing factor know, and why would it grow the hair beyond just the follicles, since the hair outside the body is just useless tissue and such
Now that you mention it, his wrists would swell when he uses his claws, and his forearms would be massive compared to normal people (muscle movement dedicated to extending and retracting the claws)
he most likely had adapted to the pain while still there it would be not as painful
I like to think that at least in comics, part of Logans mutation is that the bones, muscles and tissues of his fore arms are arranged in a way thay the claws can come out without destroying his wrists and fore arms.
That was always how I'd presumed it worked too
I prefer the version where Logan has bone claws which are removed and adamantium blades are attached to where the claws should be
That’s literally not what happened. Wolverines claws are part of his mutation. He can regrow bone, bone=skeleton, skeleton=adamantium
In Wolverine, after cutting of his adamantium claws, you can see that there is still bone inside the claws
In the animated series there is a scene where a mutant suppresses other mutants powers, but Wolverine still extents his claws and says: "theres nothing mutant about these" And Im confused
This is why the scene of his claws getting cut off in The Wolverine always confused me, because after that, he still has the bone claws. It’s not like Stryker gave him new claws made of metal, he just coated the bones in metal, so wouldn’t he lose his bone claws too? Maybe I’m just an idiot, but that always frustrated me.
I'm pretty sure he did lose his bone claws but I think it's implied that later magneto and Xavier repaired it or something. Idk I always hated that too tbh
He have regeneration.
@@faiz5456the problem is the adamantium itself, we are not shown or it isn't implied that he can regenerate his adamantium skeleton in the movies (maybe he was able to at some point in the comics, haven't caught up on my X-Men) so while there is a possibility that he can regenerate his claws, it would just be the bone version of it unless the adamantium has fully integrated itself to his bones in a perfect symbiosis of sorts on the cellular level
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197I actually remember something along those lines where eventually after the adamantium was inside of logan for so long his healing factor converted it into this organic version of adamantium called adamantium beta I think.
The claws were coated with the adamantium, so when the claws where cut off, the bone claws inside the coating were now free to grow, so they grew back out of the holes left behind from being cut in half in the first place
The adamantium bullets were a profoundly stupid idea. If adamantium bullets could penetrate adamantium, his claws would cut through the adamantium coating of his bones on the way out as opposed to pushing the bones out of the way.
its a comic book character
@@alexhodder4918 no shit, Sherlock...
Force from a fired projectile is stronger than force from moving muscle.
I never liked the adamantium bullets because the comics gave a much better explanation to how he lost his memory.
The Weapon X comic and novel detailed about how he was found outside of a bar, given enough tranquilizer to kill several elephants, kept in a tank while they kept him under. He was injected with nano technology first before the adamantium to ensure that his bone marrow was left intact. The adamantium was then fused to his bones. Logan was still under at this point and he was then taken to another area of the lab, a helmet was affixed to his head in order to reprogram him to be a government weapon. He was made into a killing machine until he ultimately rebelled and escaped after decimating the lab.
The metal in his body keeps his healing factor locked on overdrive and makes sure he doesn't succumb to metal poisoning.
Of course, having it on overdrive means that it'll burn out much quicker than normal. Logan's mutation (besides the animal senses) is basically just our natural human ability to heal turned up to 1,000. Hell, I remember a comic series where he lost an eye. We couldn't grow one back, but he could. It just took a while. He went by Patch at that time.
His healing factor has been vastly inflated over the years.
Not to mention, the amount of force required would be wayy more than what a handgun round could muster. Maybe some brain damage from the concussion of the bullet ricocheting off the skull, but it shouldn't be able to penetrate just because it's the same material.
4:48 it makes sense that she has a lot more bones in her hands because throughout the movies she’s always cracking her fingers
Did they ever elaborate on how the adamantium transformed Logans bone claws into fully sharpened blades?
Or is that just a cool thing nobody ever questioned?
His original claws were more like giant pointy fingerbones, not sharpened blades like a knife.
In the original weapon x comics it was visually explained, as when Logan first came to after the adamantium process, his claws were spiny and bony, just metallic, and the scientists, after observing the claws, decided to forcibly hold his claws out while he was semi conscious to sharpen them, and to implant control devices in him, and from that point forward in the comics, his claws had the knife-sharp look.
The novel of the Weapon X comic book explained in great (and gruesome detail) how the scientists worked around the metal functioning harmoniously with his bone marrow
The mystery regarding the Weapon X surgeries and body horror surrounding it are so interesting and fascinating.
John - What did they do to you, man?
Logan - Don't ask.
I thought that the adamantium sealing his bones inhibited his white blood cell production, which is used to fight infection.
His healing factor compensated for the reduced natural healing, but as the modified foods suppressed his healing factor, he was slowly dying.
Ironically had he chosen to go to Canada, or live on the boat, eating healthier would have allowed his healing factor to return.
I've never noticed the base of his claws having screws and hardware in X1 until now. That's such a cool detail. I always lamented the movies removal of the comic ports and moving the claws to being between his knuckles rather than back of hand. I like the read that the blades were surgically grafted onto his bone claws to bring in a little of that comic port influence. All of the trauma with popping his claws also make sense to me in the idea of mutations being random genetic happenstance, a lot of mutations and gene expressions aren't necessarily productive or reduce the quality of life in creatures and end up not being passed on especially if the mutation ends up traumatizing or killing the animal.
5:25 i mean, it's a fact that people adjust and adapt to pain, however we usually do so due to nerve damage. Essentially when you take repeated trauma to an area the nerves get damaged and can't send as many, or as strong impulses to your brain. Logan nerve centers regenerate, so the amount of pain will be consistent. Your ability to process and work through different stressors, such as pain can be developed however. Logan likely has developed a familiarity with the pain, but it hasn't dulled. 10:30 the bullets dropping out of his flesh are borderline illogical anyway. Most bullets chambered in a reasonably effective caliber can pass through a man his size. Or at least, you'd expect at least a couple of them to do so. That is, unless his muscles have become more dense due to his body needing to support the weight added by his metalic implants. Honestly, his body might at least find it easier to force them through the back if it's gonna reject the bullets. As a firearms nerd i would have either animated the bullets to ricochet off of his bones or pass through. I think bullets should be able to stick inside him. I just think that it'd rarely be a problem. Most of the time when bullets 32. And above stop in a human target it's because they were slowed by bone. Logans bones don't slow bullets. They stop bullets. If a bullet causes him discomfort he can dig it out himself. Having his body push the bullets out is pretty weird if you ask me. Of course the films don't know how he should interact with bullets. After all, a shot to the head knocked him unconcious in one of the films. It was a non adamantium round fired from a cop. I want to say in x3. It's hard to display how his body should realistically act with bullets without either downgrading him or making it a rated r film lol.
I agree with all your points, but I will add that Logan's muscle likely is much more dense than a regular person. He canonically has hugely impressive strength, something like that of 10 men his size or something. I remember reading that somewhere a long time ago. Probably much more when his adrenaline gets going.
In the films his strength is clearly comparable to that of Steve Rogers just going off physical feats and how he's able to toss around fully grown men as if they weigh nothing to him. Steve Rogers doesn't technically have superhuman strength, but he's not that far off it.
X men 1 and 2 really had some borderline horror moments. Both wolverine's operation and that creepy wheelchair dude who almost overpowered professor X
I love the concept of a character who has to eviscerate themself to use their powers. they do it really well in Chainsawman
I just always wondered why there was never any blood on his claws when popping then in and out
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because the wounds would heal around the blood vessels immediately as the claws extended then when they retracted the lacerations heal to reconnect blood vessels and other tissues
Original power hurt to use, tortured, and experimented beyond imagination. Power constantly repairs nerves under stress, new version causes more pain, including any "tugging" on the claws, and has been seen to be put through some of the most painful stuff on cinema. We've seen him break so many bones but I think Beast curb stomping his claws when they were bones really drove it home how much he goes through.
No wonder he was finally ready to sleep. I always thought he would be able to gain a pain tolerance, but that healing factor is a double edged sword.
1:10 where do I sign up?
Nothing happens with adamantium bullets in his brain since adamantium can't pierce adamantium so the bullets just bounced off. No idea hot the film makers are doing with their logic but its quite bad.
Logan always had claws, even way back when his name was James. His claws were originally bone before the adamantine was put in his body and covered his bones. The X-Men Wolverine Origin movie was trash compared to the comic book. Also Sabretooth and Wolverine weren't originally brothers in the comic books.
If he was in water would he sink due to the weight of the metals?
In the comics, Wolverine has claimed he hates water because he can drown like anyone else.
Yes, that’s why he’s shown to be afraid of flights. If the plane fell, and he landed in the ocean, he’d drown repeatedly for eternity, and nobody would be able to find him.
@@alexman378 we actually see that a few times in the comics, one time he was able to walk back to shore with much struggle but the distance between him and the beach wasn't so big, so he didn't sink as deep in the water but he still drowned a few times. Another time was when the plane he was in was destroyed, Logan made it back to the beach thanks to a Shark grabbing him with his jaw in an attempt to eat him, while fighting the shark Logan used this opportunity to get the animal to go as close to land as it could while they fought. Another instance is when Wolverine is shown fighting in a large river, while he does somewhat sink he can still swim rather well although with more effort than any normal human would, his weight also helped him move against the river's flow
@@hokutoshinken-chrisarmstro131That doesn’t make sense as we’ve seen him swim in the comics many times before. He got used to the weight of the adamntium to the point that he got near superhuman strength.
@@Mr.PR2000chimps also have incredible strength, but can't swim due to being so dense and having so little body fat. Being strong doesn't make it any easier to stay afloat and above the surface.
But yeah Wolverine does have near superhuman levels of strength, it's part of his natural mutations.
It’s weird when you say that his body doesn’t reject the adamantium bullets like his survival factor is a living thing that recognises the potential for having this super metal grafted to his bones.
I say survival factor because In one comic Logan was decapitated and woke up in the presence of nick fury as a head.
Logan asked how he was even talking let alone breathing, nick said that the pours in his skin were being replacement lungs absorbing oxygen around him.
Knowing that his healing factor is capable of such things why doesn’t his survival factor grown new tissue out of the gaps in order to split Logan in half so he can essentially shed the skeleton.
If it is holding onto the adamantium bullets it might be trying to patch up the holes in Logan head and cover it with the adamantium bullet since there would be a regular bit of bone not covered making it a clear weak point.
Another comic had magneto remove Logan’s metal however it resulted in logan essentially evolving as his survival factor spent all its time on the metal like multiple people trying to fit through the same door and it just kept piling on.
The "survival factor" thing you talk about is only in the ultimate universe. 616 and every other continuity is a healing factor, so referring to it as a survival factor is factually wrong unless you're talking about the ultimate version of the character.
What if Deadpool/wade Wilson had adamantium procedure done to him? He's been dismembered plenty of times. Be interesting how he would react
Interesting that you say that, it was Wolverine's healing abilities that Deadpool was given as part of the Weapon X program, but because it's sort of "artificial", it's not quite as potent as Wolverine's healing factor.
At least that's my understanding, anyway.
Your one of the only people on TH-cam that I’ve ever seen talk about how Logan can totally fuck up his claw display if he does it with his wrists bent 😂
The only thing that really ever bothered me is how the bone claws were round and after the metal they became flat.
I assume they maybe shaved down the bone claws to a degree. Although that's not depicted in the Origins movie.
That detail has always bothered me too lol
whos here after the Deadpool & Wolverine movie xD
In the comics Logan’s healing factor replicates adamantium so I always thought spare adamantium was recycled
The Marvel TTRP Game published by TSR in the 80’s. Every time the claws were popped out caused damage, didn’t mater much in game terms because of the regeneration. Also if Wolverine just used fists extra damage was caused because of the harder fists.
11:02 well no because... They still would have been damaged on impact AND he wouldn't have the shell casing for it.
In the comics, X-23 actually has her claws removed, laced with the adamantium and placed back in which I think the movie also showed a bit of
Magneto could kill logan at anytime ripping him apart bone by bone no?
Yes
Adamantium is indestructible. He could only hold him and throw him
That happened in the comments. Wolverine healed from it tho. His healing factor is way stronger without the adamantium in his body
@@keloing923No Magneto can manipulate any way he desires. Bend it, break it, form holes, liquify it.
@@DesignIncase nope, it’s indestructible. It’s only weakness is to the liqui-fication process
This is great content. You're underrated as hell, keep it up, man.
Wolverine has always been the most relatable comic book character. He is just like us except he has a better healing factor and a metal skeleton.
He has his bone claws in his adamantium ones. When that japanese guy, he saved in ww2, tries to steal logans healing factor, he cuts the claws and drills into the bone marrow of them
That needle scene's the most horrifying thing ever. I always wondered how they covered the bones equally by so little entry points. My non science based guess would be relying on cooling and Wolverine's regeneration: As the adamantuim seeps over his bones it just keeps burning and moves around by capillary action, covering more ground as adamantium cools down on the bone area contact; While simultaneously can't bind and burn away under the skin to go around more while being artificially cooled by the liquid bath he's in. No wonder why the procedure's deadly, if it wasn't for the controlled environement and the insane rapid regeneration Wolverine has. One thing it always bugged me are the claws, it's pretty likely they're surgically inserted before the adamantium injection but it was paradoxically said and shown explicitly in the movies he got all adamantine'd up in one go and escaped after the procedure's done. Like how... since logan's claws weren't knife shaped to be covered like that. Also if it's pre-installed on him, how the cast adamantium's not welded with the claws?
Idk this stuff always bugged me ever since, now growing up i understand it's for the one cinematic reveal where wolverine's all adamantinum clawed rebirth scene take place yet it still doesn't feel right, it'd be probably more beneficial to show the drawn-outedness of the procedure to hammer in the point only Wolverine could survive the full procedure and why he's that special.
Movies man I swear to God...
Yeah I love that film for what it is, but I wish they hadn't over-simplified the Weapon X experiments so much.
In the film it's literally a walk-in walk-out day procedure and so many important details are left out.
yo wtf i only now saw how bad cgi was in origins 1:33 how the fingers go into the claws and overall shitty cgi damn i have no idea how i did not catch that whenevr i watched that movie
… his claws should actually be “CLAWS” = Coming out of your fingers, just like Sabertooth.
It makes no sense that even his bone claws to stick out, because what happens if it meets resistance = The bones are going to be bent out of his fist, same applies to his Adamantium claws.
I assume that his claws must have incredibly strong and durable anchor points, but yeah, you raise a good point.
None of this makes sense. The only thing that would make sense is that adamantium can replace calcium in the bones, effectively bounding at an atomic level, kinda like Strontium can replace calcium.
This channel really likes the word "body"
His claws being inside his arms/wrist as you pointed out dos not make to much sense. That is why in the comics they are on top of his arms and come out on top of his hands.
I just don't know who thought the organic claw idea was a good one. it's always been stupid as hell. wolverine already had enough going on.
Shouldn’t his teeth be adamantium too. My boy Wolverine should have grills
Teeth are made from keratin like hair and fingernails, not bone, so not technically part of his skeleton.
It would be an interesting visual though lol
Thought it was canon that the adamantium poisoning was what was ultimately slowing and deteriorating his healing factor over time
It is. The food didn’t weaken him
@@Mitchell999the food is what was weakening his healing not the adamantium
@@wukongthemonkeyking249 thought he would have some sort of immunity against it with his healing. He mentioned to the doc that he knows what’s killing him saying “its in me” pointing to the adamantium. I mean the adamantium definitely weakened him and poisoned him as well. How much though vs the food? Idk. If he didn’t eat the food would he be better off? Would the adamantium still be to much?
@@Mitchell999 Yea it is the food actually, yes his new skeleton is making his healing factor work 24/7 but that isn't what's killing him rather it's specifically the corn syrup he's consuming on a daily basis as well as some of the other food. There's a big misconception about the adamantium, if it was that alone he'd quite literally be immortal and never age a day, but it's due to his healing factor working 24/7 that the food he's intaking is capable of affecting that much.
It's been a while since I watched the movie but if I recall they explain that "The boss made them change some ingredients etc of the corn syrup* also that boss they were talking about runs Essex, who in the comics is Mr.Sinister, so yea they more or less explained what was the main factor killing him in the movies.
@@Mitchell999 Also yes & no, he'd of been better off not eating food however that'd of been another layer of pain for him that'd of become increasingly worse over time, after no one like going extended periods of time without eating/drinking
he has to self-harm just to harm another.
someone: Ohh...Wolverine is so cool, I wanna be wolverine...
Me :......Do you???
Why doesn't his Teeth became Metal?
Because teeth aren't bone.
They are made of calcium.
But metal teeth sounds sick.
In my opinion, I would love to see it in comics
4:48 I like to think that the internal membranes and matrices in Logan’s forearm and wrist are slightly different to allow for the claws to slip past muscle mindless and connective tissues instead of outright severing them. It would still hurt because you’re still pulling muscles away from their anchor points but it won’t leave the wolverine without any control for more than just a split second.
That's what I always assumed. The claws are a natural part of him, and it's clear that they do some damage to him, but I always imagined they kind of "slot in" little internal gaps kind of like a cat's claws retracting into their paws, and the main damage is when they have to break the skin.
I could be wrong though, but that's what I always imagined.
It splits his knuckles and seperates ligamets
You accent is too hard to interpret for a non-native person
i think that if he can survive with adamantium bullets in his brain, he could have them removed telekinetically
This dude manages to talk so much and say so little
What an absolute brilliant video and explanation of this. Thank you I very much enjoyed this and looking forward to checking out the rest of your channel if I haven't already. Peace 🕊️ Maca E'Q'Lib I also got what you meant about him drinking as it would be pointless he would definitely be better off eating cannabis edibles may also actually calm him down and actually make him feel something? Maybe.
His character was way cooler without the metal claws
X-Men fans who only know the lore through the movies may not understand just how much of a sick f*** William Stryker was when it came to his experiments on mutants + his sheer hatred & dehuminization of them. The things he subjected mutants to make Francis's torturous treatments on Wade Wilson to unlock his mutation look tame in comparison. Bolivar Trask, who created the Sentinels that almost wiped out mutankind, doesn't approach Stryker's depths of brutality.
Even the abuses Deadpool 2's Headmaster put Rusty through aren't on the same level of damage (This is NOT to say or imply that different forms of abuse aren't equally valid, of course; I'm only specifying differences in physical trauma). The Headmaster is in some ways closer to Stryker in the comics since the movies don't emphasize his religious fanaticism. In the source material, he not only believed that mutation is a plot by Satan to destroy humanity from within.
He murdered his wife & son shortly after childbirth upon learning that Jason was a mutant. Stryker was like a Nazi scientist on steroids and would've fit right in with HYDRA, had their values aligned. It's horrifying to think about the mutants who suffered treatments even more agonizing than Logan's (i.e. the "failures" that helped Stryker work out the kinks for Adamantium implantation). To this day, he remains one of Marvel's most morally reprehensible characters.
I love Wolverine but the level of "healing" just begs for so many questions...if he can truly come back k fr beig incinerated what's stopping him from effectively cloning himself? What determines which parts do and don't grow an entire other person? How is he not just a pile of cancer? Etc..
In the comics, it's said that the Adamantium and bone are basically the same thing, so all the bone functions still work like normal while being unbreakable.
I think the pain he feels now when he pops his claws only fuels him.
The screws we could see when magneto was flexing wolverines claws were a production slip. They were part of the props used in the scene and the post production team just didn’t catch them to scrub them from the shot.
How come Logan's teeth aren't metal?
Actually. Why aren’t his claws all bloody when they come out of his hands
The limitation of what PG-13 movies can show or not always acknowledging the fact that his claws are creating holes in his hands.
There’s a lot of possibilities
What if Wolverine got shot in the eye, wouldn't the bullet get stuck in his head?
We wouldn't want the marrow replayed, just plating around the bones... they could have taken his bones out... like a femur--plated it, then put it back in?
Got to wonder what the original idea for “you volunteered for it” was gonna go. After all it was clear from x2 that this was a long and horrific procedure and his brief horror at seeing his claws so you have to wonder how far that “you volunteered” was stretched.
At least in the comics tst I'm familiar with, he was basically kidnapped and experimented on without his consent and against his will.
They should give logan/wolverine the rambo treatment. He want to be a loner and then some weirdos start fucking with him and boom he does what he's the best at doing
One of the funniest moments is when Mistique was mimicking X-Men members and Cyclops is so ready to open his visor, but stops when he realized the Wolverine in front of him is the real one when he says “you’re a dick.” As both of them don’t get along at all 🤣
It was also hilarious when Mystique actually tried to fight Wolverine after taking his form and got completely wrecked.
Like girl, you might look like him right now but you don't have adamantium or a healing factor lmao
instead of adamantium- vibranium
instead of covering his whole skeletal system- only the claws just like they did to X-23
Thanks for this Wolverine video explanation
sure guy, he got shot and kept the bullet to fire it off a second time, thats how bullets work, they def dont disfigure upon impact
Well, he didn't need to remove the bullet from his body to obtain it. You said Stryker only put 5 bullets in him from his revolver. meaning that there was one more left unfired.
Wolverine was always the best character in these movies hugh jackman was a beast
*is* a beast
Wolverine will always be my favorite marvel character, I’m glad he’s back in Deadpool three
I think, the adamantium bullets stay for far longer than lead ones, but they do eventually come out. Not because his body rejects them, but because the new tissue pushes it out. I imagine he wakes up one day and finds an adamantium bullet by his head.
that's a fucking genius angle i never thought of. they poisoned the food supply to stop mutations, but no one talked about what that food does to people who are already mutants. it would explain why logans healing factor weakens so much in addition to his aging as well as xavier etc.
I see the only way for it to work, would be, that, because adamantium is indestructible, then it doesn't matter it it is even a millimeter thick, it will work. Also, that where is muscles attach to his bones, those portions would be skipped over and coated around with the adamantium. So basically, his claws and his muscles attached to his bones, would remain and the claws would be fuzed together when they were so close together in Logan's forearms. This would actually work, and Logan's bones wouldn't have adamantium interwoven, so that his bone marrow wouldn't be compromised.
The Vibranium component of adamantium would allow all that to bind to the metal as vibranium is very accepted by organic structures.
@@FilthyToes14267 I guess I meant to say that I ont think that his bones became spliced with adamantium. That it didn't penetrate, but was woven around the bones, like how a piece of chicken is completely covered in the deep fryer with oil
One of the greatest superheroes and he suffered his entire life because of the pain he felt from his own abilities. Kick-ass abilities, but still painful. All Wolverine all day long
Pretty badass that he feels significant pain every time he uses his claws. The rage he uses could be explained by that alone 😂
I just want to know if the adamantium was fused with his skeleton, how did he get perfect blades from his bone shaped claws?
At least in the comics, they were forcibly sharpened by the scientists in the Weapon X program after being coated.
At least from what I remember.
It has always bothered me that Origins didn't explain it in the film. Although the entire process was simplified and shorted a lot for the film.
The comics went into way more detail and it wasn't a short procedure either.
as a person studying bioengineering and is on a wolverine kick right now, this video was made for me! really well put together, loved it so much. thanks for sharing :]
the destroyed ligaments and damaged bones or whatever would explain why he cant move his wrists at all (or he isn't supposed to be ably to)