Imagine our universe is ending because a single organism of the size of E. Coli from a different galaxy is the anchor being and it just died 2 minutes ago.
Imagine a universe existing for billions of years, only to come to an end because its anchor being is an emo tween who cut herself a little too deep this time.
But at the same time, it would collapse in 2000yrs sooooo not that bad unless you are on a planet full of beings that live for 1,000,000 years or something.
@@zqninja3334 At that point, what significance does an *anchor being's* death even have on the larger universe if it doesn't die for at least another thousand years? It makes it pointless to even have an *anchor* if it's just going to die for at least a thousand years into the future. Now, it's making me worried about whether Marvel will utilize the concept for Iron Man. Will *Avengers: Doomsday* take place in the year 2988?
He didn't, he was already dying from adamantium poisoning. His universe was going to end anyway. And that universe is saved in this movie by the help of another Logan, who only got involved with the story because Logan was the anchor-being, and who got inspired to save said universe by the Laura that Logan saved. If anything, that makes Logan's sacrifice even greater, because if someone else (who didn't save Laura) was the anchor-being, then that universe would not have been saved in this movie. And the Logan in this movie doesn't just save that universe, but ALL universes, since he stopped Cassandra Nova from using the time ripper to destroy every universe.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09ok there no proof his universe was dying before this movie so stop also what you said change nothing 😂 the act of him saving lura and those kids is still what caused his universe to begin to fade it's what started the problem 😂 and again how was he the anchor when the universe existed before him and if there was another one befote they need to tell us and not just leave us out with no writting
@@jumplegacy5604 You can definitely criticize this movie for introducing the Anchor-being mechanic and making it so that Logan's death causes the destruction of his universe, but you can't say that it turned Logan's *sacrifice* into something that causes the destruction of his universe, that is just not true. His universe would've ended with or without his sacrifice. To say that "the act of him saving Laura and the kids is what started the problem" is just objectively wrong. His death is what triggers the eventual (thousands of years later) destruction of that universe, not his sacrifice. Him sacrificing himself just caused his universe to start dying a couple years earlier, which means nothing when we're dealing with thousands of years. And like I said, this movie makes the positive consequences of his sacrifice even greater, since it led to the saving of all the universes, and the Logan in this movie getting to redeem himself. You can't criticize this movie for making Logan's death something that dooms his universe, and the same time ignore the things that make his sacrifice even greater. That is bad fate towards the movie. "how was he the anchor when the universe existed before him" - The movie tells us that a universe starts to die after the anchor-being dies, it does not tells that a universe can't exist before the anchor-being is born. I assume the anchor-being is destined to be born.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 everything you just said is debunked by tva man quite literally stating your anchor being died in a act of sacrifice that sent shivers down the timeline meaning yes it was his sacrifice that cuased the destruction as stated by the movie itself 🤣🤣🤣
Not the Movie's Fault but i was SO SURPRISED by Charles Picardoh Xavier having a Sibling. And i couldnt the entire movie notfigure out what her Power actually is. I watcvhed so much X_Men, wtf. Why have i never heard of her? And why does she have a little-bit of Anything
I’m guessing because then the narrative that the “time keepers” created them in Loki would fall apart if some of them coincidentally looked like skrulls or whatever other aliens exist in the MCU, but idfk honestly.
These movies have gotten to the point where you can expect them to ignore each other's rules and continuity. What's the appeal of a cinematic universe again?
@@Woolz17 honestly his character was better though because his powers actually took away superspeed so it made more sense why he wasnt insta koed everytime
Want to get my pre-video opinion out there, so here it is. I feel the same way about this movie that I do about No Way Home, the plot is flimsy, but the emotional scenes are good with some great acting. We’ll see if my opinion changes after watching the video. Edit: Nope, he just pointed out everything I was thinking, except he only pointed out the problems with the TVA and Deadpool’s character, he actually covered less of the issues in this movie than I was expecting. I still think this movie’s plot is paper thin, but unlike Madvocate, I was able to get past the opening and still have a fun time. Even knowing this movie is pretty stupid.
Unfortunately, every emotional scene is built on bullshit. Wolverine, Laura, DP, Cassandra, the Purged guys. So it relies on people just liking good acting of shit characters. Idk if it's worth much in hindsight.
A possible explanation for why they dont have ranged weapons Anything it hits, will go to the void So if they miss, they'd be sending bits of trees, building, ground, etc. in the Void, possibly bystanders So they could be purposfully limited to only Melee to ensure they can't get accidental voiding of items or people by misfiring the weapon. Not perfect of course, since Melee can still hit objects, but nowhere near as much as something like a bullet
Thats good explanation, but that still doesn't explain the lack of non-void tech. Like there is lots of cool scifi stuff in Guardians or Ragnarok, TVA should have access to that all. They should unironically be operating out of mechs or exoskeletons, if not completely remote, with all kinds of longer range stun weapons if not regular guns.
@@emanuelandrei7250they don’t need to. This is a problem that was made up. You can’t just invent technology that isn’t shown to exist in-universe and act like it’s some sort of plot hole.
Don’t worry Madvo, watching Loki makes everything make significantly less sense, to the point where I’d question how any multiversal project even works in the MCU. Credit to Natalie Holt though, give the score a listen it is top tier in the MCU, aside from not having a lot of story to develop leitmotifs and strong payoffs alongside.
@@TheArkhamKnight-x4e we can't be sure) As I see it, Loki prevented the universes from being permanently reset by allowing them to exist. However, this does not seem to be related to the mechanism of the anchor being.
@@TheArkhamKnight-x4e TBF now the deadpool universe hasnt never followed the rules of marvel, deadpool 2 shows cable reversing time and saving deadpool but we all know that wouldnt work but split the timeline meaning the deadpool we see in 3 is different to the one that dies in deadpool 2 except no
this movie has the exact same problem that No Way Home had. the plot logic falls apart the very millisecond you think about it all just to get a certain cast of characters in the same film
Don't forget Endgame. No Way Home was the second movie Disney made that has the plot falling apart if you even think. Endgame is where it started. And this Movie? Deadpool 3? It's got me thinking I'll just finish Phase 5 and stop supporting the franchise ever again
I honestly feel like a lot of these issues when brought up during the making of the film was brushed off with “Shut up it’s cool” and honestly it does not bother me in the slightest because I still found it funny
To be fair, if ANY movie gets special permission to use out-of-universe information to inform its story, it’s the Deadpool movies that famously break the fourth wall every few seconds.
It is pretty frustrating to realize that they could have just made this movie's Logan the one from Deadpool's timeline and built a story off of that without any of the multiverse crap, and it would have made a thousand times more sense.
Buuuuuuut Madvocate. It was funny. And it had references. And it had lazy self deprecation jokes about Disney and Marvel that barely scratch the surface of the true issues with the Modern Disney and the MCU. And it made ALL THE MONEY. What more could you ask for? A good story? Consistent character writing? Multiverse Rules that make sense?
Are you daft? The symbolism of almost mattering and mattering but fucking it up is telegraphed so hard it could have been a whole fucking character in the movie. Deadpool evens holds the "Matter" pillar while Wolverine the "Anti-matter" one! It being done without the common idiot (You) noticing just proves how good it is.
The ending of loki completely contradicts the main issue the TVA man is trying to solve. They don't need to prune timelines and barely need to keep an eye on them because Loki himself fixes the problem where the multiverse will collapse if any more timeliness exist than the sacred one. Why does TVA man need to prune a universe that isn't doing anything wrong if the multiverse just becomes a self sustaining structure anyway
Wait. Have we forgotten Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness? Isn't the new Wolverine going to start and incursion JUST because he exists in the main timeline? Same as Deadpool. Oh we can't also forgot that the TVA did nothing ad Deadpool went through timrline after timeline. Killing Ryan Reynolds, kill Deadpool from Wolverine Origin, possibly had killed baby Hitler, saved Vanessa. Welp the MCU has a TON of things to explain
It's almost a given that most people don't pay attention to consistency and continuity these days. But it's sad that even the writers themselves don't even care anymore.
As someone who watched 2 seasons of Loki, I can confirm the TVA and timeline rules in this movie make even less sense when you consider what has happened in the show.
@@Brucenightrider1235 Ah I didn't know, what a shame. Tho I honestly thought Ben Affleck would've been done with superhero stuff after Batman, wonder if he did refuse to appear because of that or any other reason.
To be honest I noticed the plot was terrible at the start of watching the movie so I just did not pay attention to it. For that reason i found the moive fun to watch but i don’t think it’s a “good” moive.
@@Lobsterwithinternetok but it wasn’t even good writing compared to the movies in its franchise. DP1 & 2 aren’t good movies either but they’re better than this one in every way
0:59 Funnily enough in the comics, the TVA used retroactive cannons, a sort of arm gun. Sylvie was on a mission to destroy the TVA in the first season, I guess they changed it so it'd be more believable for her to take them down instead of being instantly shot. 7:18 They actually do have guns. Who do you think the made the guns for Deadpool with his face on the cartridges?
Notice how most of this movie's plot-holes & inconscistencies would solve if they would simply kill the Days Of Future Past/Apocalypse version of Wolverine & start the plot there instead of forcefully trying to integrate the Logan film into the main Fox/X-Men universe, when that film was clearly its own universe & happened on 2029
@@spider-manunknown9193 it wasn't, the X-Men on that universe died in 2019 due to Charles attacks, but in Deadpool 3 & Days of Future Past ending we saw they are perfectly fine in 2024, also Charles & Logan mention events like the Striker Lake & the fight on the statue of liberty, & according to Days of Future Past, those events never happened after the time travel
They died in 2028 (ONE YEAR AGO). They say it all the time in Logan. The only reason internet assumes Logan is set in a different universe us because of a guideline book Marvel Comics published even before Disney aquired Fox.
ok so, the plot is not great, and yea theres a bunch of bullshit that shouldnt be there. this movie is a much better movie as its own movie, not a connected part of the mcu, it seems like ryan and mcu wanted very differant things here. really should have not tied this into the mcu they should have just basicly made a fanfair funny movie
There's only one way to stop Madvocate's anti-media literacy multiverse of madness: We must force him to watch the second-to-last episode of Loki S2, the one with the spaghetti Kang. It's the only way to be sure he goes to the void with Worst-ish Logan, Deadpool, and Disney's Daredevil Reborn'd... writing this hurt, wow
@@isomericgamer6644You have blind Faith my friend we've already seen how they treated Matt in she hulk his lawyer scenes are sub par in that show and his performance in NWH was also sub par due to his scene time being less then 4 minutes
@@sai1737to be fair the writers of she hulk more or less said they had no idea how to write a court room scene so maybe under different writers we’ll get a better result
@@simonmann4922 In which case, I'd question why She Hulk had that as a forefront theme, but tbh, in the end, it ended up being kinda secondary to how miserable Jen was in her personal life anyway.
Im surprised you didnt mention how logan getting drunk for a long period of time is the cause for the xmen's death which pushes logan to kill like a greek kratos which also makes logan in this movie to be "the worst wolverine" The problem here is that logan cant get drunk for as long as the movie describes since its shown in previous xmen movies that logan's period of time intoxicated is very slim
When you want to have your cast of antagonists or obstacles be 'silly' in order to facilitate your 'silly' feel, it is achieved through expoing your antagonists or obstacles silly aspects to us. Such as a bully who thinks he'll remain tough through screaming and yelling. His shouting in an attempt to appear mature is ridiculous and foolish; it's silly. Or a high-ranking police officer ordering everyone to just shoot their guns because 'that'll fix it', showing how foolish their society's branch of law enforcement has gotten; in short, it was silly. However, here, the TVA's whole being stupid thing is odd (at least as of right now[to me]) because the TVA has been given the unfortunate representation of being 'silly' not because of their foolish beliefs, or because of their lack of understanding of the technology they've been blessed with, or not because they keep butting heads because they've just hypothetically realized everybody's here for different reasons and are quickly bickering over each other on what the TVA is even supposed to be or do, not any of that, but because they just.. dont seem to use their weapons in a wise manner.. . Which is, like, ya know... why not? If that's how they're supposed to be making the TVA in the film feel 'silly' then... we'll thats... that's just silly.
You know, there's one thing no one really talks about in the movie that I don't see mentioned: Wade does everything for Vanessa because she says he needs to “matter” or whatever. But, like, did she just forget he already saved her from Francis and stopped a kid from becoming a villain? Plus, the guy literally wanted to die just to be close to her again! And she's still like, "Nope, that’s not enough-do more."
Wade himself felt like he didn't matter and wanted to be more. And he became depressed, didn't wanna open up to her, and basically pushed her away and that's why they broke up. I feel that's what happened.
@jewkayjethejkj6968 But how could he not matter? After Deadpool 2 you'd think his ego would skyrocket or at least be boosted. Also why does he feel like he needs to matter?
@@johnprime1147 When you hit middle age and look back at your life and start questioning what you could have done differently you'll understand. No, no I don't believe you're any older than 20, 25 at the most. When you hit your late 30s you'll understand.
This anchor bullshit came from DC's 'Doomsday Clock,' with Dr. Manhattan changing DC's timeline, altering Superman's origin, and connecting the timeline to him, since he (Superman) is the first superhero. Not that this story is good, but you can see they tried to copy that.
I would like to point out that it does make sense for logan to be the anchor being, as he is the one who killed jean grey pheonix. (Depending on the continuity)
Deadpool & Wolverine is SUCH a fun movie, but it has so many plot holes. It deserves it's praise but definitely deserves equal criticism, as like any movie, ESPECIALLY a Marvel movie, it's far from perfect. Personally I believe one of it's main weaknesses was how many writers it had this time around, causing themes and tones and even universal rules to become mixed up with the subtleties each writer brought. It could've been a much better and more consistent movie, but I'm just happy we got one at all.
Man, last time madvocate reviewed an MCU movie. He had to fight a certain bird person. Let’s hope that doesn’t happening again. I don’t wanna see Shandy make another video watching them. I keep running out of popcorn when i watch them
This movie has Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania levels of bullshit. Every scene is packed with bullshit, tied to other bullshit, ruined by bullshit, affects other bullshit in the movie, and is presented as Kino. And yea, the TVA is a maze of contradictions. You'll think the TVA have X plot holes and dumb things. But in reality, it's 3 times as bad, because you haven't thought about a myriad of ways each scene breaks.
@@The_Presbyterian I went to one of his little Disagreement Days. I asked why the universe dies if said *Anchor Being* dies? He couldn't answer me, and instead of admitting it didn't make sense. He gives me a reason that existential questions are pointless to ask if we have existential ideals in reality. Why does gravity exist? I tried to answer, but he kept making assumptions to hold his arguments. In Lamen's terms, he's coping because he won't admit a movie he loves isn't peak.
cope is definitely not the right word, nobody is glazing the movie to try and make it sound good in the eyes of those who don't, they just liked the movie. They didn't pay attention to every little detail on what didn't make sense like madvocate did here and they don't need to, everyone has their own definition of what a good movie should be like but at the end of the day I believe everyone goes to see movies to have a good time, and Deadpool & Wolverine delivered that for many and while it may not please the people that likes movie with better narratives like Logan, it still achieved its goal of being just a fun feel good movie where we get to see Deadpool and Wolverine together.
@@zawn8221 People are very quick to point out that "you just focus too much on detail" or "you just hate fun". Its literally impossible to put any critique even for small detail for that movie without someone feeling the necessity of trying to explain how it doesn't matter or that it was reference to some other stuff. How is that not coping?
@@tabull8180 Well I guess I misunderstood the op's comment I think he only meant the comments are coping instead of everybody, got a lil confused reading it
15:34 😂 your sarcasm is why I watch all your videos at least 4 to 5 times over ESPECIALLY the flash ones lol “soak it all up like nun happened” with the guy from the commercials 😭
To answer the posters question. The TVA doesn't use long-range "pruning" tech to erase people from existence because they didn't invent any of their tech, HeWhoRemains Kang did & he specifically gave O.B. the TV craftsman only specific weapons designs. Kang has been betrayed multiple times, so he didn't give them the same long-range erasing tech he has, he just gave them what they needed which was the stick & bombs.
The immortal people with infinite access to the knowledge of infinite universes couldn't make any projectiles? Like I know, Deadpool is immortal, but just shoot him and poke him with the stick while he's healing.
@@antwonechols2472 No, you mis-read my comment. I never said "they can't make any projectiles." I said, "They didn't invent their time tech, HWR Kang & O.B. did & Kangs specifically didn't give O.B. multiple designs so the TVA couldn't betray him". I was responding to madva, bringing up the fact that they have erasing tech in other ways like the stick & the bombs but don't have a gun version.
Okay, that's fair. Until they go to a timeline with crossbows, stick a pruner on a large crossbow, and have effectively increased their effective range by literal hundreds of times over in mere minutes. So even if not given the tech, nobody ever just figured it out?
@@dellmaxson2184 For reference, I haven't watched season 2 of Loki, so please forgive me if my statements have a show of ignorance, but, Kang was betrayed.. ➡️multiple times.. ➡️ and as such he mandated, 'all right TVA, no more betraying me with pruning me or whatever was done in forms of betrayal'. Which like, I dunno..., doesn't make sense. How does he get betrayed multiple times if his betrayer's technology utilized 'time prunning' tisms. Also, I thought he who remains..... remained? How does he who remains get betrayed? Ain't he supposed to remain??
Things I love about your videos: The legendary jokes, the roasting of the incompetent project you are analyzing, the showing of clips from Daredevil and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
0:55 whilst it is stupid I think that’s the point because part of the story in Loki was establishing that the TVA are rather archiac and set in their ways and will almost never change so I think them sticking with less advanced weaponry fits with this. I can easily imagine someone in the TVA asking “why don’t we use guns” and someone saying “ the sticks have worked out well for thousands of years so why stop now". 1:26 that’s because they don’t know his exact geographic location, they know the rough area he is in but they don’t know his actual location. The only example you gave is an example in which they logically would know his exact location since they literally lure him out of his door in order to put him in the perfect location for an ambush, that’s the point of them ringing the door bell how do you not understand that? 2:43 stopping to talk isn’t as much of a problem when the guy they are talking to is incapaciated as it is logical for the TVA agent to assume that Deadpool is in this moment. You can see that he is very stuck 3:10 okay but Deadpool could easily block the stick and you literally showed that he blocked the attack so what is your problem. 5:10 actually you are being manipulative, those machines 1) are used specifically for branching timelines at the point of a branch, and not a major timeline. it’s a whole lot easier to cut a twig off a tree than to cut down the entire tree. 2) the TVA don’t use those devices anymore which you would know if you had taken the time to watch one of the best Disney + Marvel shows. 5:29 he tells deadpool all of this because it has been established that he is arrogant and also because he thinks that Deadpool isn’t a hero because throughout the two movies before hand deadpool has been solely morally grey and motivated mostly by himself. So he thinks that Deadpool wouldn’t care that his universe is going to die, you can see that because he tricks paradox by pretending to be morally ambivalent to his friend’s deaths. 6:23 well yes because he is one of the most morally grey of all heroes. If any hero were to sacrifice their universe to join the MCU it is Deadpool. Plus once again it is very much established that the TVA and paradox have almost no empathy for that universe so what makes you think he would know about deadpools love for his family. 6:35 yes Paradox did have to tell Deadpool since Deadpool bringing want’s to bring his family along but that isn’t allowed and so Paradox has to explain to Deadpool why his family can’t come along and that requires him to tell deadpool about how they will die. I mean even he lies and deadpool goes into the 616 universe what do you think will happen when Deadpool learns his universe was destroyed, the exact same thing that happens in this movie. 6:58 no because there are ways to multiverse travel in 616 so Deadpool would 100% try to get back to his home reality which would likely lead to him abandoning the 616 universe and not being there to save it. If you want someone to stay somewhere it is better to let them go their by choice than kidnapping them and dropping them in the location. 7:21 yes, they have access to fucking infinity stones as you would know if you watched loki but sure adamantium katanas is a step too far, plus he is given the new suit before paradox tells him of his plan and so paradox still thinks deadpool is going to go to 616 11:37 what????????????? Did you just try to imply that the device made by the TIME variance authority can’t travel through TIME! Do I need to say anything more because I think your stupidity speaks for itself. Of fucking course the device can take him to 2029 on his timeline. Do you think that it only takes you to different timelines and doesn’t allow you to travel through time? 12:01 okay so the TVA don’t percieve time in the same way we do, sure we have 5 years until Logan dies but the TVA already know he will die 5 years and so to them he is already dead and so why wait 5 years for him to die officially. And if you are going to ask why doesn’t Deadpool just take wolverine from earlier in the timeline, you can’t just take a hero who saved the world as many times as fox logan out of the timeline and expect it to still run smoothly so he needs another Logan from another universe that he doesn’t care if dies because again Deadpool is morally grey. 12:48 the shitty fox timeline is not a problem with Deadpool and Wolverine. Yes it is a problem and deadpool 2 featuring the young xmen is weird since deadpool takes place in modern day dispite those X Men existing in the 80’s,that problem is not a problem with deadpool and wolverine it is a problem with the larger fox universe.
An easy fix would have been for an anchor being to only be someone who drastically altered their timeline and that universes with anchor beings are extremley rare. Wolverine travels back in time and alters reality in Days of Future past so the universe makes him an anchor being as a way of "stabalizing" the timeline. Which not only fixes several plot holes but builds on established continuity of previous films.
I think everyone understands the meta element of it. But it simply doesn't work in an in-universe setting- having meta jokes and hinging the main plot on 'all of this is fake' are different levels of meta, the previous deadpools made the plots functuin even without 4th wall breaking.
pre video opinion. Yes, the plot is horrible, nonsensical, contrived, etc. Yes, the memory of fox volverine was tarnished, and the characters from deadpool 1and 2 were done incredibly dirty. I would hate this movie if it was ANY OTHER MOVIE. Hoever. I knew what it will be. Ryan Reynolds made it really clear what it would be. I went in for deadpool and wolverine to fuck around for 2 hours. I got that, and it was beautiful. post video opinion. Yep. Just yes, your're right, this isn't even all. People like Mauler pointed out how they destroyed Wade's and Vanessa's relationship. The only thing that i don't agree is the "TVA is stupid" argument. Stick with me for a second. It was always stupid. it simply CANNOT be not stupid. And I'm veryconfident in that they were made to include it, so deadpool can enter the MCU. So the fact that the TVA was as stupid as ever, maybe even more, was just a one big joke for me.
Bro said he wasn’t going to factor in Loki and then got mad that they didn’t use the prune device thingy from Loki, the show he didn’t watch. Those things don’t erase entire timelines goofball, just a certain radius.
I don’t know if you’re thinking about the sticks but the grenade pruners destroy timelines. Not to mention, Madvo is generous in not considering all of Loki because everything in season 2 completely ruins D&W. It’s about reforming the TVA to be more humane. Somehow paradox operates in the current Sylvia ran organisation, and Loki is supposedly orchestrating the timelines as the God of stories. This and what MoM established is incompatible with D&W. He is right to ask about the pruning devices. He’s doing the film a favour in not considering all of Loki.
@@callmepsycho3132Not watching Loki is absolutely being generous to every other project in the MCU. There is no project that isn’t damaged by season 1-2. That’s what happens when you retcon how your universe exists. Loki’s version of time travel obliterates Endgame. In all fairness Endgame obliterates Endgame’s time travel by the end. It would be better for all of canon to ignore both MoM and Loki (probably most of phase 4-5), but we can’t unfortunately. Every project has added world breaking additions. It’s genuinely hard to explain how much damage they have done sadly.
A lifetime ago, I too sought Consistency, I even held one in my hand, but it bore me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a fun I cannot have. What you might seek, could be right in front of you, as could what you fear… Consistency. Holds a special place among the critics you might even say.. it has a.. certain.. wisdom… In order to find Consistency, you must lose that which you love, an everlasting exchange. A cry, for a cry.
How important can the anchor beings truly be if you can just drop a variant into the timeline and repair it? Why wouldn't the TVA just go around cloning each universe's anchor being to ensure universes can survive forever?
Side note: one thing that REALLY pissess me off is how this movie is about deadpool and the other fox universe characters realising they aren't fit to join the MCU proper.
Well, the wolverine variant that became the new anchor didn't just become the new Anchor. He had to save the entire multiverse to become the new one. And the wolverine variant failed his universe so I wouldn't say its a 100% chance that a variant can do the thing necessary to become a Anchor being. Not saying Anchor Beings make anyother sense at all, just that it makes sense that the TVA can't clone Variants and make them Anchor Beings out of nowhere.
@@yourlifesucksandiknowitYall madvocate stans are starting to sound as annoying as those tate fanboys that yap about the fukin Matrix and crap. Every time someone wants to enjoy a movie made in the last decade yall have to sh*t on them. Ngl, kinda cringe
@@solemmbum6500 unfortunately I do not believe that is what he's discussing. The only complaint you can really have is "why do all these critics as whole feel as though discussing ' to achieve what you want and being dumb' isn't good enough", which is fair enough, but, THIS else, I must deny the idea that Madvocate cannot just simply discuss the other opinion.
@@yourlifesucksandiknowitYeah dude, idk about you but I was watching a Deadpool movie to have fun, I noticed multiple plot issues but I don’t particularly care when a Deadpool movie isn’t 100% perfectly written plot wise. I laughed, I was attached to the characters, it was enjoyable. If you can like No Way Home, sorry but I can’t take you seriously if you treat this movie differently
I'm seeing people say that "someone should not be allowed to criticize D & W if they didn't watch Loki," and I think that it's stupid to say that. If that's the case then people shouldn't be allowed to criticize Multiverse of Madness if they didn't watch Wandavision and I believe that I shouldn't have to sit down and watch a tv-show to understand the plot of a movie, and MoM really confused me in that department. I didn't watch Wandavision when the movie came out, and I still haven't, so it seemed to me like Wanda was trying to get back some random kids that haven't been established, unless you pay for the streaming service you would understand who the kids are and their relevance to the plot, which like I said, is incredibly sloppy. All I'm really trying to say is that having to watch an entire show to understand the ongoing plot of a movie, and vice versa, is really stupid and I think people should be allowed to criticize that if they want to; D & W is poorly written and doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I still think it's one of those "good" bad movies which is more or less how I felt about MoM so I guess it makes sense. But yeah, :).
You know if anything, bringing in Loki’s mechanics would only make D&W’s entire plot even worse considering you’d have to factor in everything established in that show. And since the concept of the TVA itself became broken almost immediately after it was introduced, D&W wouldn’t stand a chance in that regard. (Side-Note: The TVA as an organization is so screwed from a logistical standpoint. You’re telling me that Loki, the God of Mischief and someone who has the strength to rival Thor even briefly, is somehow caught by like four TVA agents while Deadpool is able to kill scores of them all in quick succession and 10-year-old (or however old she was) Sylvie stomps on one of their feet and manages to escape. And that’s not even mentioning how stupid they are with their weapons, as mentioned in the video. The TVA have an insane win move by being able to just open the portal beneath an individual or at the very least close enough to prune them without going through, yet they don’t do it 99% of the time. Add on to the fact that their main weapons are pathetic batons and all of their members are meant to be humans, I would pay to see a group of TVA agents spawn as far away as they did from Deadpool but this time against a full gauntlet Thanos. That isn’t going to end very well for them. And all they would need is ranged weaponry.💀)
The issue with that argument is that DP3 relies heavily on you having watched the previous stuff. Like Logan for example. Even the cameos rely on you having watched the previous stuff. So should we assume the viewer has only watched part of the stuff (the good stuff) and not watched other part of the stuff (the bad stuff)? I would agree with your logic on most of other movies, but not really on DP3.
@@tabull8180 A movie should always build up its world and characters in the story of the movie and not rely on the viewer having consumed past media to understand it. I get that this movie intentionally relies on the viewer having watched the movies behind the cameos, like Logan which is a major part to this story, but it doesn't excuse the fact that because of that decision the plot and the writing of the movie might've suffered as a direct result from it. All I'm trying to say is that a movie should always assume that a viewer knows little to nothing about the world and the characters within it, and that it should build up its own characters and the world throughout the movie, so that way the viewer can coherently follow the progress of the story without being left confused as to unexplained second or third party medias that are included within it; same goes for tv-shows, games, books, etc. If you're someone who has watched all the movies behind the cameos, then that is good, but the precedent should always fall onto the regular viewers and the audience of people who haven't consumed a lot of media within that IP first and adhere to the more dedicated viewers who have consumed a lot of media within that IP later. And I'm not saying that including cameos in a movie is bad, but if the cameo is an integral part of the story, like Logan, then it should be explained to a greater degree within the movie. I'm sorry if I came off as mean spirited with this reply, because I don't want it to be I want to be kind, but I just think that a movie needs to stand on its own with the story and characters for an effective plot and effective character moments and not rely on what I've talked about. :)
@@coolemoji1422 Don't be so hard on yourself, I very much appreciate your well thought out response, it didn't feel mean spirited at all. I agree what you said as a rule and I suppose DP3 should have been written those rules in mind. But it wasn't or they failed miserably. Instead they chose a path with heavy cameos and meta knowledge not only about MCU but movie industry in general. And they sacrifised the plot for that purpose. Now, while I agree what you said as a rule, I do think one could make very good movie, but niche, that does not follow that rule. One just needs to aware about who your audience is or is supposed to be. Most extreme mainstream example has to be Infinity war, it would actually be nice thought experience to check how well that movie would held up if it was the first one you saw. As for DP3, I don't think it did that good job either way. But whether one has seen Loki does affect the perspective quite a lot. It would help to understand perspective if critics would tell whether they have seen Loki or not. Most don't really care either way, but it makes discussion around this movie very messy when some people just want to ignore all the TVA stuff. Which is also a fault of this movie for making that stuff make so little sense. All in all, I think regarding DP3 whether I agree with you depends whether we are talking about the movie we got with the direction they chose or rather what this movie could and should have been about. The movie we got failed at your rule the moment it was decided to be made. And even then it could have been so much better written.
@@tabull8180 Thanks dude, I don't want to come off as harsh in general because I think an "argument", like this, is what arguments should be; civil and respectful regarding individual opinions. It all really comes down to your own enjoyment of the movie, and I would be lying if I said I wasn't entertained and didn't enjoy myself when I watched it in theaters. Sure, on a second watch, the plot is iffy and the writing is below-par, but it's just my opinion and I don't want that to detract from mine or other peoples enjoyment of the movie, like yours. I think that forcing an opinion onto someone else's as if it were fact is a very immature practice when it comes to watching and enjoying different media, and if people enjoy a movie, song, game, book for your own reasons than that's great; don't let other people ruin your happiness and enjoyment. You're a chill and smart mfer, glad I got to have this convo with you dawg. :D
14:00 - soo close and yet soo far. Its not the same Logan because of something you yourself point out. The Logan in Logan didnt kill the XMEN, Charles did. Charles remembers when young Logan kills him, that he had his first dementia attack and killed the entire mutant population off (possibly with Cerebro.) Where as the Logan in DP & Wolverine says that he never wore a xmen costume, refused to join the xmen and one day humans murdered the xmen so he went off and killed a truck load of humans in a blind rage. That also contradicts Logan in the original Xmen films, he wore a costume of sorts, the black leather suit and in X3 was a member of the Xmen, as far as giving orders, training women like Kity Pryde (played by Ellen Paige) in the danger room.
Overall my feelings towards DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE are the same as Red VS Blue Restoration: Is flawled, has some non-sensical ideas, & is clearly not the best thing they should do BUT CLEARLY IS THE BEST THEY COULD DO & I TRULY APRECIATE THE EFFORT, & I'm truly thankful the last thing they attempted to create were a flawled but satisfactory end of an era, & ironically, both productions end with a credit montage celebrating 20 years of their projects & all the people who worked on them
i'm disappointed in myself for not realizing what he was building the whole time
same, i laughed so hard at the reveal though
I understood, after he made a head of it.
I'm only 9 minutes in and with how tall the one building is, I'm guessing he's making the twin towers?
@@The_Blue_Otaku no, very cold. Think about what Deadpool would build.
@@JustStop19 A giant statue of Deadpool on a toilet shitting?
I like ultron for the simple reason that he surfed the web for like 5 minutes and just decided that humanity had to go
I'd have done the same. One reason for my review of Age of Ultron I said I was with him and rooted for him. Even teared up when the Avengers won
fr
He's not cold nor emotionless, He's not Hank Pym's son & He's not voiced by Tom Kane
That's not Ultron, That's Pinocciotron
And brain rot wasn’t even invented then
Fr.
Imagine our universe is ending because a single organism of the size of E. Coli from a different galaxy is the anchor being and it just died 2 minutes ago.
Imagine a universe existing for billions of years, only to come to an end because its anchor being is an emo tween who cut herself a little too deep this time.
@@amusingmoose9924😂😂😂😂😂
It is Wolverine tho... in normal circumstances he CANNOT die. Too bad he committed suicide....
But at the same time, it would collapse in 2000yrs sooooo not that bad unless you are on a planet full of beings that live for 1,000,000 years or something.
@@zqninja3334 At that point, what significance does an *anchor being's* death even have on the larger universe if it doesn't die for at least another thousand years? It makes it pointless to even have an *anchor* if it's just going to die for at least a thousand years into the future. Now, it's making me worried about whether Marvel will utilize the concept for Iron Man. Will *Avengers: Doomsday* take place in the year 2988?
I'm sure Logan would be happy to know that by sacrificing himself, he was unintentionally so heroic that he doomed his entire universe to be erased.
He didn't, he was already dying from adamantium poisoning. His universe was going to end anyway. And that universe is saved in this movie by the help of another Logan, who only got involved with the story because Logan was the anchor-being, and who got inspired to save said universe by the Laura that Logan saved. If anything, that makes Logan's sacrifice even greater, because if someone else (who didn't save Laura) was the anchor-being, then that universe would not have been saved in this movie. And the Logan in this movie doesn't just save that universe, but ALL universes, since he stopped Cassandra Nova from using the time ripper to destroy every universe.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09ok there no proof his universe was dying before this movie so stop also what you said change nothing 😂 the act of him saving lura and those kids is still what caused his universe to begin to fade it's what started the problem 😂 and again how was he the anchor when the universe existed before him and if there was another one befote they need to tell us and not just leave us out with no writting
@@jumplegacy5604 You can definitely criticize this movie for introducing the Anchor-being mechanic and making it so that Logan's death causes the destruction of his universe, but you can't say that it turned Logan's *sacrifice* into something that causes the destruction of his universe, that is just not true. His universe would've ended with or without his sacrifice.
To say that "the act of him saving Laura and the kids is what started the problem" is just objectively wrong. His death is what triggers the eventual (thousands of years later) destruction of that universe, not his sacrifice. Him sacrificing himself just caused his universe to start dying a couple years earlier, which means nothing when we're dealing with thousands of years. And like I said, this movie makes the positive consequences of his sacrifice even greater, since it led to the saving of all the universes, and the Logan in this movie getting to redeem himself.
You can't criticize this movie for making Logan's death something that dooms his universe, and the same time ignore the things that make his sacrifice even greater. That is bad fate towards the movie.
"how was he the anchor when the universe existed before him" - The movie tells us that a universe starts to die after the anchor-being dies, it does not tells that a universe can't exist before the anchor-being is born. I assume the anchor-being is destined to be born.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 everything you just said is debunked by tva man quite literally stating your anchor being died in a act of sacrifice that sent shivers down the timeline meaning yes it was his sacrifice that cuased the destruction as stated by the movie itself 🤣🤣🤣
@@jumplegacy5604Wow, and I thought marvel FANS had bad media literacy.
Let’s go? Let’s fucking go?
Indeed, let's.
'Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die'.
I instantly thought about you when I read the title.
Where are we going?
How about Let’s fucking go home and never do this again
Turned off my brain to enjoy this lovely movie, now to turn it back on to enjoy this lovely review.
same
Not the Movie's Fault but i was SO SURPRISED by Charles Picardoh Xavier having a Sibling.
And i couldnt the entire movie notfigure out what her Power actually is. I watcvhed so much X_Men, wtf. Why have i never heard of her? And why does she have a little-bit of Anything
@@slevinchannel7589 maybe read the comics
You joke, but this is basically the relationship people have with movies and reviews nowadays. But I guess it works.
Me Watching RED VS BLUE Restoration:
A weirder question is....why are there no alien TVA agents?
You don’t wanna know
i guess bcs the man who build it is a human from earth
because they dont wanna spend money on making makeup or cgi to make aliens and hiring actors/reusing them for aliens
because kang is racist
I’m guessing because then the narrative that the “time keepers” created them in Loki would fall apart if some of them coincidentally looked like skrulls or whatever other aliens exist in the MCU, but idfk honestly.
Can't believe Madvocate was the bay harbor butcher
Man i am wachting Dexter rn as in actually its playing rn😭
@@Thetruesurvivor21 yeah me too
Blasphemy! He’s being framed!
Come on this isn't even a short lmao
@@purple-lemonade bro these types of comments are everywhere smh
These movies have gotten to the point where you can expect them to ignore each other's rules and continuity. What's the appeal of a cinematic universe again?
At this point I ain’t even trying to understand all these dumb ahh rules
A Cinematic universe? Your expecting too much! Lower your expectations Mr. Jack White. Don't actually expect good movies that are fun
Reminder that no mcu project has acknowledged the giant alien protruding from the earth in Eternals
@_S0LUS_ Exactly. It's why after the last Phase 5 project I'm done
@@_S0LUS_ She Hulk, Brave New World.
29:00 so the flash is infuriatingly inconsistent season 5 basically confirmed???
he said hell keep watching until the videos stop making money or something of that nature
I can confirm that is exactly what he said
Unless he offs himself
In minecraft
Season 5 is gonna be so funny bro there’s so many times the blade guy could’ve been defeated
@@Woolz17 honestly his character was better though because his powers actually took away superspeed so it made more sense why he wasnt insta koed everytime
Want to get my pre-video opinion out there, so here it is.
I feel the same way about this movie that I do about No Way Home, the plot is flimsy, but the emotional scenes are good with some great acting.
We’ll see if my opinion changes after watching the video.
Edit: Nope, he just pointed out everything I was thinking, except he only pointed out the problems with the TVA and Deadpool’s character, he actually covered less of the issues in this movie than I was expecting. I still think this movie’s plot is paper thin, but unlike Madvocate, I was able to get past the opening and still have a fun time. Even knowing this movie is pretty stupid.
Changed?
Exactly mine opinion.
really? i thought this movie was much less substantial than NWH. not many redeeming qualities compared ot that movie
Unfortunately, every emotional scene is built on bullshit. Wolverine, Laura, DP, Cassandra, the Purged guys.
So it relies on people just liking good acting of shit characters. Idk if it's worth much in hindsight.
@@saikgamingproductionslearn to have fun once in a while
Yay, new madvie video, let's fucking go
Glaze
@@dontwatchanime8063 ???
zip his pants up when ur done with it
@@rehateable3445 ok? how is liking a channel and enjoying his videos make me a cock sucker?
@@dontwatchanime8063🤓
A possible explanation for why they dont have ranged weapons
Anything it hits, will go to the void
So if they miss, they'd be sending bits of trees, building, ground, etc. in the Void, possibly bystanders
So they could be purposfully limited to only Melee to ensure they can't get accidental voiding of items or people by misfiring the weapon.
Not perfect of course, since Melee can still hit objects, but nowhere near as much as something like a bullet
Pretty solid reason...
But they never explain it in the movie, so...
Thats good explanation, but that still doesn't explain the lack of non-void tech. Like there is lots of cool scifi stuff in Guardians or Ragnarok, TVA should have access to that all. They should unironically be operating out of mechs or exoskeletons, if not completely remote, with all kinds of longer range stun weapons if not regular guns.
Good thinking
@@emanuelandrei7250 Do they need to? Because that erases incentive to use far range weapons from the get go
@@emanuelandrei7250they don’t need to. This is a problem that was made up. You can’t just invent technology that isn’t shown to exist in-universe and act like it’s some sort of plot hole.
I love how he was just making a multi floor building in Fortnite in the background, the short attention span has also reached madvocate
ever wank your multi floor building?
Don’t worry Madvo, watching Loki makes everything make significantly less sense, to the point where I’d question how any multiversal project even works in the MCU.
Credit to Natalie Holt though, give the score a listen it is top tier in the MCU, aside from not having a lot of story to develop leitmotifs and strong payoffs alongside.
What is the problem with Loki exactly? Seems logical, is it not? Genuinely asking
@@painandhopelessness8860lokis sacrifice prevents any problems inside the multiverse, therefore DPs universe should be fine.
@@TheArkhamKnight-x4e we can't be sure)
As I see it, Loki prevented the universes from being permanently reset by allowing them to exist. However, this does not seem to be related to the mechanism of the anchor being.
@@TheArkhamKnight-x4e TBF now the deadpool universe hasnt never followed the rules of marvel, deadpool 2 shows cable reversing time and saving deadpool but we all know that wouldnt work but split the timeline meaning the deadpool we see in 3 is different to the one that dies in deadpool 2 except no
@@username.exenotfound2943 what? That still doesn’t answer my question, and you just said a bunch of nonsense followed up by ”except no”
this movie has the exact same problem that No Way Home had. the plot logic falls apart the very millisecond you think about it all just to get a certain cast of characters in the same film
Don't forget Endgame. No Way Home was the second movie Disney made that has the plot falling apart if you even think. Endgame is where it started. And this Movie? Deadpool 3? It's got me thinking I'll just finish Phase 5 and stop supporting the franchise ever again
I honestly feel like a lot of these issues when brought up during the making of the film was brushed off with “Shut up it’s cool” and honestly it does not bother me in the slightest because I still found it funny
You better post season 5 of the flash or else I’m coming to your house AGAIN…
To be fair, if ANY movie gets special permission to use out-of-universe information to inform its story, it’s the Deadpool movies that famously break the fourth wall every few seconds.
It is pretty frustrating to realize that they could have just made this movie's Logan the one from Deadpool's timeline and built a story off of that without any of the multiverse crap, and it would have made a thousand times more sense.
Buuuuuuut Madvocate. It was funny. And it had references. And it had lazy self deprecation jokes about Disney and Marvel that barely scratch the surface of the true issues with the Modern Disney and the MCU. And it made ALL THE MONEY. What more could you ask for? A good story? Consistent character writing? Multiverse Rules that make sense?
Look he even has a dog how can it be a bad movie?
Are you daft? The symbolism of almost mattering and mattering but fucking it up is telegraphed so hard it could have been a whole fucking character in the movie. Deadpool evens holds the "Matter" pillar while Wolverine the "Anti-matter" one! It being done without the common idiot (You) noticing just proves how good it is.
And sadly that is as far as Marvel can go now.Funny movie but with holes so big the whole USN could go through.
Dude you can't be funny unless you assassinate characters, that's like rule 1 of writing comedy.
Not stopping to talk?!?😂
The ending of loki completely contradicts the main issue the TVA man is trying to solve. They don't need to prune timelines and barely need to keep an eye on them because Loki himself fixes the problem where the multiverse will collapse if any more timeliness exist than the sacred one. Why does TVA man need to prune a universe that isn't doing anything wrong if the multiverse just becomes a self sustaining structure anyway
Holy shit you have no idea what you’re talking about lmao
@@HistorySkateshut up
I think the events of Loki season two happened after Deadpool and Wolverine
Just a guess
@@Cronyxx I was thinking that too but the black lady is a higher up at the TVA in DP3 and in loki s2 she's still a guard or something
@@brungulo I honestly don’t know anymore, all these Multiverse movies, and their time related mistakes are kind of confusing
Wait. Have we forgotten Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness? Isn't the new Wolverine going to start and incursion JUST because he exists in the main timeline? Same as Deadpool. Oh we can't also forgot that the TVA did nothing ad Deadpool went through timrline after timeline. Killing Ryan Reynolds, kill Deadpool from Wolverine Origin, possibly had killed baby Hitler, saved Vanessa. Welp the MCU has a TON of things to explain
Yeah clearly not canon or nothing would make sense. Easy answer is Dead pool is crazy and none of this happened
It's almost a given that most people don't pay attention to consistency and continuity these days. But it's sad that even the writers themselves don't even care anymore.
17:29 and apparently the lives of beings like galactus, knull or the celestials depends on some random dude on a planet that's younger than them
As someone who watched 2 seasons of Loki, I can confirm the TVA and timeline rules in this movie make even less sense when you consider what has happened in the show.
The thing I am surprised the most is that Nicolas Cage said no to appearing on this film as Ghost Rider, wonder why.
Because Nic Cage was sadly busy because he was staring in the film "LongLegs" but he is in concept art next to Ben Affleck's Daredevil
@@Brucenightrider1235 Ah I didn't know, what a shame.
Tho I honestly thought Ben Affleck would've been done with superhero stuff after Batman, wonder if he did refuse to appear because of that or any other reason.
To be honest I noticed the plot was terrible at the start of watching the movie so I just did not pay attention to it. For that reason i found the moive fun to watch but i don’t think it’s a “good” moive.
It’s entertainment for entertainment’s sake.
It's a good movie, it's not an amazing movie. Just don't go in there expecting oscar worthy writing.
@@Ligmaballin If you’re going into a popcorn flick expecting Oscar-worthy writing, you’re doing it wrong.
@@Lobsterwithinternetok but it wasn’t even good writing compared to the movies in its franchise. DP1 & 2 aren’t good movies either but they’re better than this one in every way
@@et4003 You can blame Loki and Marvel for most of that.
It’s an enjoyable movie besides that.
0:59 Funnily enough in the comics, the TVA used retroactive cannons, a sort of arm gun. Sylvie was on a mission to destroy the TVA in the first season, I guess they changed it so it'd be more believable for her to take them down instead of being instantly shot.
7:18 They actually do have guns. Who do you think the made the guns for Deadpool with his face on the cartridges?
Notice how most of this movie's plot-holes & inconscistencies would solve if they would simply kill the Days Of Future Past/Apocalypse version of Wolverine & start the plot there instead of forcefully trying to integrate the Logan film into the main Fox/X-Men universe, when that film was clearly its own universe & happened on 2029
No it was in the same continuity.
@@spider-manunknown9193 it wasn't, the X-Men on that universe died in 2019 due to Charles attacks, but in Deadpool 3 & Days of Future Past ending we saw they are perfectly fine in 2024, also Charles & Logan mention events like the Striker Lake & the fight on the statue of liberty, & according to Days of Future Past, those events never happened after the time travel
@@ArcTrooper269 Wasn’t that a deleted scene?
They died in 2028 (ONE YEAR AGO). They say it all the time in Logan. The only reason internet assumes Logan is set in a different universe us because of a guideline book Marvel Comics published even before Disney aquired Fox.
@@ykarus9343no the directors of logan confirmed its in a different universe
ok so, the plot is not great, and yea theres a bunch of bullshit that shouldnt be there.
this movie is a much better movie as its own movie, not a connected part of the mcu, it seems like ryan and mcu wanted very differant things here.
really should have not tied this into the mcu they should have just basicly made a fanfair funny movie
Pretty much, yeah.
So pretty much a shit movie
@@bobybrown1999but it’s an entertaining movie what does it matter
@@RedDeadDevilTriggerit really does matter
@@mechamedegeorge6786 Matters to who? Clearly not the people who enjoyed the movie.
There's only one way to stop Madvocate's anti-media literacy multiverse of madness: We must force him to watch the second-to-last episode of Loki S2, the one with the spaghetti Kang. It's the only way to be sure he goes to the void with Worst-ish Logan, Deadpool, and Disney's Daredevil Reborn'd...
writing this hurt, wow
I'm pretty sure daredevil is gonna be ok. They brought back a lot of the old netflix crew. I'm optimistic about it. Cautiously optimistic.
@@isomericgamer6644You have blind Faith my friend we've already seen how they treated Matt in she hulk his lawyer scenes are sub par in that show and his performance in NWH was also sub par due to his scene time being less then 4 minutes
@@isomericgamer6644and you should've seen what they did to king pin in eco
@@sai1737to be fair the writers of she hulk more or less said they had no idea how to write a court room scene so maybe under different writers we’ll get a better result
@@simonmann4922 In which case, I'd question why She Hulk had that as a forefront theme, but tbh, in the end, it ended up being kinda secondary to how miserable Jen was in her personal life anyway.
Im surprised you didnt mention how logan getting drunk for a long period of time is the cause for the xmen's death which pushes logan to kill like a greek kratos which also makes logan in this movie to be "the worst wolverine"
The problem here is that logan cant get drunk for as long as the movie describes since its shown in previous xmen movies that logan's period of time intoxicated is very slim
“These timelines are so confusing”-This deadpool quote keeps aging better and better
FINALLY HE HAS DROPPED A VIDEO😭🙏🏽
I thought he was SK lol. Why do they all sound the same???
@@ComicXanz they don't
When you want to have your cast of antagonists or obstacles be 'silly' in order to facilitate your 'silly' feel, it is achieved through expoing your antagonists or obstacles silly aspects to us.
Such as a bully who thinks he'll remain tough through screaming and yelling. His shouting in an attempt to appear mature is ridiculous and foolish; it's silly. Or a high-ranking police officer ordering everyone to just shoot their guns because 'that'll fix it', showing how foolish their society's branch of law enforcement has gotten; in short, it was silly.
However, here, the TVA's whole being stupid thing is odd (at least as of right now[to me]) because the TVA has been given the unfortunate representation of being 'silly' not because of their foolish beliefs, or because of their lack of understanding of the technology they've been blessed with, or not because they keep butting heads because they've just hypothetically realized everybody's here for different reasons and are quickly bickering over each other on what the TVA is even supposed to be or do, not any of that, but because they just.. dont seem to use their weapons in a wise manner.. . Which is, like, ya know... why not? If that's how they're supposed to be making the TVA in the film feel 'silly' then... we'll thats... that's just silly.
They basically made the wagst stormtroopers are in modern Star Wars.
when the world needed him most, madvocate returned
You know, there's one thing no one really talks about in the movie that I don't see mentioned: Wade does everything for Vanessa because she says he needs to “matter” or whatever. But, like, did she just forget he already saved her from Francis and stopped a kid from becoming a villain? Plus, the guy literally wanted to die just to be close to her again! And she's still like, "Nope, that’s not enough-do more."
A character arc so strong it became a circle which is pretty much the case with some MCU projects since phase 4
When with a woman, a man's work is never done. Gotta keep being that servant boy. One of my gripes with this movie too.
Wade himself felt like he didn't matter and wanted to be more. And he became depressed, didn't wanna open up to her, and basically pushed her away and that's why they broke up. I feel that's what happened.
@jewkayjethejkj6968 But how could he not matter? After Deadpool 2 you'd think his ego would skyrocket or at least be boosted. Also why does he feel like he needs to matter?
@@johnprime1147 When you hit middle age and look back at your life and start questioning what you could have done differently you'll understand.
No, no I don't believe you're any older than 20, 25 at the most. When you hit your late 30s you'll understand.
flash season 5
I’m going to flash you
there's nowere to run!
😢God... forgive mehhhh......
Chop chop movie boy
Oh lord…
Your Channel honestly deserves to be at 1Million Subs by now, the editing and humor are glorious, please keep it up.
This anchor bullshit came from DC's 'Doomsday Clock,' with Dr. Manhattan changing DC's timeline, altering Superman's origin, and connecting the timeline to him, since he (Superman) is the first superhero. Not that this story is good, but you can see they tried to copy that.
I really thought this idea of the universe's needs anchor is dumb.
Who in their right mind would make a universe like this?
it was a good comic but thank GOD it wasn’t canon
@@icarussbungeecord7779it was canon tho
I was like "Why's he building a tower? Wtf?" and didn't realize it was a pepnis until the first ball.
babe wake up madvocate upoaded!
I've been subscribed for over a year, why tf did TH-cam not recommend this until now? Great video as always, Madvocate
when i saw the parent trap at the theater, lindsay lohan personally called me the f slur
I would like to point out that it does make sense for logan to be the anchor being, as he is the one who killed jean grey pheonix. (Depending on the continuity)
Deadpool & Wolverine is SUCH a fun movie, but it has so many plot holes. It deserves it's praise but definitely deserves equal criticism, as like any movie, ESPECIALLY a Marvel movie, it's far from perfect.
Personally I believe one of it's main weaknesses was how many writers it had this time around, causing themes and tones and even universal rules to become mixed up with the subtleties each writer brought.
It could've been a much better and more consistent movie, but I'm just happy we got one at all.
Still waiting for the Flash Season 5 video. I'll never give up on dreaming
You better give up on asking or else he'll never upload it
Man, last time madvocate reviewed an MCU movie. He had to fight a certain bird person. Let’s hope that doesn’t happening again. I don’t wanna see Shandy make another video watching them. I keep running out of popcorn when i watch them
This movie has Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania levels of bullshit.
Every scene is packed with bullshit, tied to other bullshit, ruined by bullshit, affects other bullshit in the movie, and is presented as Kino.
And yea, the TVA is a maze of contradictions. You'll think the TVA have X plot holes and dumb things. But in reality, it's 3 times as bad, because you haven't thought about a myriad of ways each scene breaks.
What is Kino ?
You never have any fun in life, got it
@@lowdownpapaya7292 yes i have depression and have think of unaliving myself many times thid doesn't help me in learning what Kino is tho
@@lowdownpapaya7292wrong, it is very fun to point out terrible writing
@@lowdownpapaya7292Nah, it’s super fun doing this shit 😂
Madvogoat dropped a vid 😫
pull his pants up when ur done with it
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@@rehateable3445 ok
Cant can't believe he was building a WOOD made out of WOOD the whole time
Thank you for pointing out *Anchor Beings's* abhorrent concept and execution. Let's just make sure Colin doesn't watch this video.
Why?
@@The_Presbyterian I went to one of his little Disagreement Days. I asked why the universe dies if said *Anchor Being* dies? He couldn't answer me, and instead of admitting it didn't make sense. He gives me a reason that existential questions are pointless to ask if we have existential ideals in reality. Why does gravity exist? I tried to answer, but he kept making assumptions to hold his arguments. In Lamen's terms, he's coping because he won't admit a movie he loves isn't peak.
@@solivagen435The movie tells you why the universe dies
@@docileyoke Why?
@@solivagen435 Because it's important? Why tf else
yeah i didnt watch the DP3 but Thanks for covering this madvocate
Wholly shit he’s back
Madvocate, if you don't post your flash season 5 video soon I'm gonna make you watch season 7!
Unfortunately unlike Flash he can run so...
@@lukeskywalker82 but there's nowhere to run!
Bruh, the cope for this movie is festering in the comments. Fucking thank you, everybody keeps pretending this movie is objectively amazing.
it all comes down to stupid good, and also nostalgic feeling, its the samething with No way home.
cope is definitely not the right word, nobody is glazing the movie to try and make it sound good in the eyes of those who don't, they just liked the movie.
They didn't pay attention to every little detail on what didn't make sense like madvocate did here and they don't need to, everyone has their own definition of what a good movie should be like but at the end of the day I believe everyone goes to see movies to have a good time, and Deadpool & Wolverine delivered that for many and while it may not please the people that likes movie with better narratives like Logan, it still achieved its goal of being just a fun feel good movie where we get to see Deadpool and Wolverine together.
@@zawn8221 People are very quick to point out that "you just focus too much on detail" or "you just hate fun". Its literally impossible to put any critique even for small detail for that movie without someone feeling the necessity of trying to explain how it doesn't matter or that it was reference to some other stuff. How is that not coping?
@@tabull8180 Well I guess I misunderstood the op's comment I think he only meant the comments are coping instead of everybody, got a lil confused reading it
@@zawn8221 Its the hyperbolic way of speaking that is festering the internet nowadays. Easy to be confusing.
15:34 😂 your sarcasm is why I watch all your videos at least 4 to 5 times over ESPECIALLY the flash ones lol “soak it all up like nun happened” with the guy from the commercials 😭
Honestly, i feel like the Tva was just lying about anchor beings, although it wouldn't make sense as to why everything in the movie would happen
great video happy to see you back
To answer the posters question.
The TVA doesn't use long-range "pruning" tech to erase people from existence because they didn't invent any of their tech, HeWhoRemains Kang did & he specifically gave O.B. the TV craftsman only specific weapons designs.
Kang has been betrayed multiple times, so he didn't give them the same long-range erasing tech he has, he just gave them what they needed which was the stick & bombs.
The immortal people with infinite access to the knowledge of infinite universes couldn't make any projectiles? Like I know, Deadpool is immortal, but just shoot him and poke him with the stick while he's healing.
@@antwonechols2472 No, you mis-read my comment. I never said "they can't make any projectiles." I said, "They didn't invent their time tech, HWR Kang & O.B. did & Kangs specifically didn't give O.B. multiple designs so the TVA couldn't betray him".
I was responding to madva, bringing up the fact that they have erasing tech in other ways like the stick & the bombs but don't have a gun version.
Okay, that's fair. Until they go to a timeline with crossbows, stick a pruner on a large crossbow, and have effectively increased their effective range by literal hundreds of times over in mere minutes. So even if not given the tech, nobody ever just figured it out?
but pruning people just sends you to the end of time where kang is residing regardless so this is not even a point
@@dellmaxson2184 For reference, I haven't watched season 2 of Loki, so please forgive me if my statements have a show of ignorance, but, Kang was betrayed.. ➡️multiple times.. ➡️ and as such he mandated, 'all right TVA, no more betraying me with pruning me or whatever was done in forms of betrayal'. Which like, I dunno..., doesn't make sense. How does he get betrayed multiple times if his betrayer's technology utilized 'time prunning' tisms.
Also, I thought he who remains..... remained? How does he who remains get betrayed? Ain't he supposed to remain??
Things I love about your videos: The legendary jokes, the roasting of the incompetent project you are analyzing, the showing of clips from Daredevil and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
30:38 such a great still
Glad to get another vid from you
0:55 whilst it is stupid I think that’s the point because part of the story in Loki was establishing that the TVA are rather archiac and set in their ways and will almost never change so I think them sticking with less advanced weaponry fits with this. I can easily imagine someone in the TVA asking “why don’t we use guns” and someone saying “ the sticks have worked out well for thousands of years so why stop now".
1:26 that’s because they don’t know his exact geographic location, they know the rough area he is in but they don’t know his actual location. The only example you gave is an example in which they logically would know his exact location since they literally lure him out of his door in order to put him in the perfect location for an ambush, that’s the point of them ringing the door bell how do you not understand that?
2:43 stopping to talk isn’t as much of a problem when the guy they are talking to is incapaciated as it is logical for the TVA agent to assume that Deadpool is in this moment. You can see that he is very stuck
3:10 okay but Deadpool could easily block the stick and you literally showed that he blocked the attack so what is your problem.
5:10 actually you are being manipulative, those machines 1) are used specifically for branching timelines at the point of a branch, and not a major timeline. it’s a whole lot easier to cut a twig off a tree than to cut down the entire tree. 2) the TVA don’t use those devices anymore which you would know if you had taken the time to watch one of the best Disney + Marvel shows.
5:29 he tells deadpool all of this because it has been established that he is arrogant and also because he thinks that Deadpool isn’t a hero because throughout the two movies before hand deadpool has been solely morally grey and motivated mostly by himself. So he thinks that Deadpool wouldn’t care that his universe is going to die, you can see that because he tricks paradox by pretending to be morally ambivalent to his friend’s deaths.
6:23 well yes because he is one of the most morally grey of all heroes. If any hero were to sacrifice their universe to join the MCU it is Deadpool. Plus once again it is very much established that the TVA and paradox have almost no empathy for that universe so what makes you think he would know about deadpools love for his family.
6:35 yes Paradox did have to tell Deadpool since Deadpool bringing want’s to bring his family along but that isn’t allowed and so Paradox has to explain to Deadpool why his family can’t come along and that requires him to tell deadpool about how they will die. I mean even he lies and deadpool goes into the 616 universe what do you think will happen when Deadpool learns his universe was destroyed, the exact same thing that happens in this movie.
6:58 no because there are ways to multiverse travel in 616 so Deadpool would 100% try to get back to his home reality which would likely lead to him abandoning the 616 universe and not being there to save it. If you want someone to stay somewhere it is better to let them go their by choice than kidnapping them and dropping them in the location.
7:21 yes, they have access to fucking infinity stones as you would know if you watched loki but sure adamantium katanas is a step too far, plus he is given the new suit before paradox tells him of his plan and so paradox still thinks deadpool is going to go to 616
11:37 what????????????? Did you just try to imply that the device made by the TIME variance authority can’t travel through TIME! Do I need to say anything more because I think your stupidity speaks for itself. Of fucking course the device can take him to 2029 on his timeline. Do you think that it only takes you to different timelines and doesn’t allow you to travel through time?
12:01 okay so the TVA don’t percieve time in the same way we do, sure we have 5 years until Logan dies but the TVA already know he will die 5 years and so to them he is already dead and so why wait 5 years for him to die officially. And if you are going to ask why doesn’t Deadpool just take wolverine from earlier in the timeline, you can’t just take a hero who saved the world as many times as fox logan out of the timeline and expect it to still run smoothly so he needs another Logan from another universe that he doesn’t care if dies because again Deadpool is morally grey.
12:48 the shitty fox timeline is not a problem with Deadpool and Wolverine. Yes it is a problem and deadpool 2 featuring the young xmen is weird since deadpool takes place in modern day dispite those X Men existing in the 80’s,that problem is not a problem with deadpool and wolverine it is a problem with the larger fox universe.
Oh wow a rare treat, a madvocate video....
15:59 I mean... when you put it like that...
An easy fix would have been for an anchor being to only be someone who drastically altered their timeline and that universes with anchor beings are extremley rare. Wolverine travels back in time and alters reality in Days of Future past so the universe makes him an anchor being as a way of "stabalizing" the timeline. Which not only fixes several plot holes but builds on established continuity of previous films.
Madvocate hating Deadpool & Wolverine
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They explained how Laura ended up in the void. She was recruited for a TVA taskforce kinda thing, but then went rogue, and got pruned for it.
The Slow season 5 when?
THE MADVOCADO HAS DROPPED AGAIN!
I am here for it.
29:02 oh no
He’s gonna lose his mind at Cicada Leapfrogging
Ayye let's go new madvocate vid
2:45 I rolled my eyes so hard at this scene. Who the fuck wrote that line? The meme was like 2 years ago
Your a really boring person
Movies take a while to make
@@sugon_deez so then don’t write topical jokes dummy, it’s obviously gonna be old and unfunny by the time the movie comes out
You did good man, just know that keep up with quality vids!
4:14 In other words: someone who is the main character of their cinematic universe.
I think everyone understands the meta element of it. But it simply doesn't work in an in-universe setting- having meta jokes and hinging the main plot on 'all of this is fake' are different levels of meta, the previous deadpools made the plots functuin even without 4th wall breaking.
29:02 Oh boyyyyy we are so back
R-word? What, Redditor?
Nah. Retorted.
He’s alive again!!!
pre video opinion. Yes, the plot is horrible, nonsensical, contrived, etc. Yes, the memory of fox volverine was tarnished, and the characters from deadpool 1and 2 were done incredibly dirty. I would hate this movie if it was ANY OTHER MOVIE. Hoever. I knew what it will be. Ryan Reynolds made it really clear what it would be. I went in for deadpool and wolverine to fuck around for 2 hours. I got that, and it was beautiful.
post video opinion. Yep. Just yes, your're right, this isn't even all. People like Mauler pointed out how they destroyed Wade's and Vanessa's relationship. The only thing that i don't agree is the "TVA is stupid" argument. Stick with me for a second. It was always stupid. it simply CANNOT be not stupid. And I'm veryconfident in that they were made to include it, so deadpool can enter the MCU. So the fact that the TVA was as stupid as ever, maybe even more, was just a one big joke for me.
Genuinely the best way to view the tva. If it’s one big running joke made by marvel then you can just laugh at it instead of ripping your hair out
Yay, you finally posted
Bro said he wasn’t going to factor in Loki and then got mad that they didn’t use the prune device thingy from Loki, the show he didn’t watch. Those things don’t erase entire timelines goofball, just a certain radius.
If that’s the case, then how the hell were they able to keep a singular “sacred” timeline without them?
They do have the ability to prune a timeline. That's the main conflict at the end of S2E2.
I don’t know if you’re thinking about the sticks but the grenade pruners destroy timelines.
Not to mention, Madvo is generous in not considering all of Loki because everything in season 2 completely ruins D&W. It’s about reforming the TVA to be more humane. Somehow paradox operates in the current Sylvia ran organisation, and Loki is supposedly orchestrating the timelines as the God of stories. This and what MoM established is incompatible with D&W.
He is right to ask about the pruning devices. He’s doing the film a favour in not considering all of Loki.
@@tomjames9681That’s not really being generous if he didn’t watch it
@@callmepsycho3132Not watching Loki is absolutely being generous to every other project in the MCU.
There is no project that isn’t damaged by season 1-2. That’s what happens when you retcon how your universe exists.
Loki’s version of time travel obliterates Endgame. In all fairness Endgame obliterates Endgame’s time travel by the end.
It would be better for all of canon to ignore both MoM and Loki (probably most of phase 4-5), but we can’t unfortunately. Every project has added world breaking additions. It’s genuinely hard to explain how much damage they have done sadly.
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A lifetime ago, I too sought Consistency, I even held one in my hand, but it bore me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a fun I cannot have. What you might seek, could be right in front of you, as could what you fear…
Consistency. Holds a special place among the critics you might even say.. it has a.. certain.. wisdom…
In order to find Consistency, you must lose that which you love, an everlasting exchange.
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How important can the anchor beings truly be if you can just drop a variant into the timeline and repair it? Why wouldn't the TVA just go around cloning each universe's anchor being to ensure universes can survive forever?
Side note: one thing that REALLY pissess me off is how this movie is about deadpool and the other fox universe characters realising they aren't fit to join the MCU proper.
Well, the wolverine variant that became the new anchor didn't just become the new Anchor. He had to save the entire multiverse to become the new one. And the wolverine variant failed his universe so I wouldn't say its a 100% chance that a variant can do the thing necessary to become a Anchor being. Not saying Anchor Beings make anyother sense at all, just that it makes sense that the TVA can't clone Variants and make them Anchor Beings out of nowhere.
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Tbh, I do believe the movie achieved it's goal, which was to be a fun dumb movie in which you turn off your brain and just watch.
"you turn off your brain and just watch" turn off your brain and consume like the disney overlords want
@@yourlifesucksandiknowitYall madvocate stans are starting to sound as annoying as those tate fanboys that yap about the fukin Matrix and crap. Every time someone wants to enjoy a movie made in the last decade yall have to sh*t on them. Ngl, kinda cringe
@@solemmbum6500 unfortunately I do not believe that is what he's discussing. The only complaint you can really have is "why do all these critics as whole feel as though discussing ' to achieve what you want and being dumb' isn't good enough", which is fair enough, but, THIS else, I must deny the idea that Madvocate cannot just simply discuss the other opinion.
Yeah, I was there for the silly, not story
@@yourlifesucksandiknowitYeah dude, idk about you but I was watching a Deadpool movie to have fun, I noticed multiple plot issues but I don’t particularly care when a Deadpool movie isn’t 100% perfectly written plot wise. I laughed, I was attached to the characters, it was enjoyable. If you can like No Way Home, sorry but I can’t take you seriously if you treat this movie differently
Nice can't wait for next video
I hope one day you give the same treatment to guardians of the galaxy volume 3 as you did with spider-Man no way home and Deadpool and wolverine.
i low key never watched a TH-cam channel ao deserving of more subscribers
I'm seeing people say that "someone should not be allowed to criticize D & W if they didn't watch Loki," and I think that it's stupid to say that. If that's the case then people shouldn't be allowed to criticize Multiverse of Madness if they didn't watch Wandavision and I believe that I shouldn't have to sit down and watch a tv-show to understand the plot of a movie, and MoM really confused me in that department. I didn't watch Wandavision when the movie came out, and I still haven't, so it seemed to me like Wanda was trying to get back some random kids that haven't been established, unless you pay for the streaming service you would understand who the kids are and their relevance to the plot, which like I said, is incredibly sloppy.
All I'm really trying to say is that having to watch an entire show to understand the ongoing plot of a movie, and vice versa, is really stupid and I think people should be allowed to criticize that if they want to; D & W is poorly written and doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I still think it's one of those "good" bad movies which is more or less how I felt about MoM so I guess it makes sense. But yeah, :).
You know if anything, bringing in Loki’s mechanics would only make D&W’s entire plot even worse considering you’d have to factor in everything established in that show. And since the concept of the TVA itself became broken almost immediately after it was introduced, D&W wouldn’t stand a chance in that regard.
(Side-Note: The TVA as an organization is so screwed from a logistical standpoint. You’re telling me that Loki, the God of Mischief and someone who has the strength to rival Thor even briefly, is somehow caught by like four TVA agents while Deadpool is able to kill scores of them all in quick succession and 10-year-old (or however old she was) Sylvie stomps on one of their feet and manages to escape. And that’s not even mentioning how stupid they are with their weapons, as mentioned in the video. The TVA have an insane win move by being able to just open the portal beneath an individual or at the very least close enough to prune them without going through, yet they don’t do it 99% of the time. Add on to the fact that their main weapons are pathetic batons and all of their members are meant to be humans, I would pay to see a group of TVA agents spawn as far away as they did from Deadpool but this time against a full gauntlet Thanos. That isn’t going to end very well for them. And all they would need is ranged weaponry.💀)
The issue with that argument is that DP3 relies heavily on you having watched the previous stuff. Like Logan for example. Even the cameos rely on you having watched the previous stuff. So should we assume the viewer has only watched part of the stuff (the good stuff) and not watched other part of the stuff (the bad stuff)? I would agree with your logic on most of other movies, but not really on DP3.
@@tabull8180 A movie should always build up its world and characters in the story of the movie and not rely on the viewer having consumed past media to understand it. I get that this movie intentionally relies on the viewer having watched the movies behind the cameos, like Logan which is a major part to this story, but it doesn't excuse the fact that because of that decision the plot and the writing of the movie might've suffered as a direct result from it.
All I'm trying to say is that a movie should always assume that a viewer knows little to nothing about the world and the characters within it, and that it should build up its own characters and the world throughout the movie, so that way the viewer can coherently follow the progress of the story without being left confused as to unexplained second or third party medias that are included within it; same goes for tv-shows, games, books, etc.
If you're someone who has watched all the movies behind the cameos, then that is good, but the precedent should always fall onto the regular viewers and the audience of people who haven't consumed a lot of media within that IP first and adhere to the more dedicated viewers who have consumed a lot of media within that IP later. And I'm not saying that including cameos in a movie is bad, but if the cameo is an integral part of the story, like Logan, then it should be explained to a greater degree within the movie.
I'm sorry if I came off as mean spirited with this reply, because I don't want it to be I want to be kind, but I just think that a movie needs to stand on its own with the story and characters for an effective plot and effective character moments and not rely on what I've talked about. :)
@@coolemoji1422 Don't be so hard on yourself, I very much appreciate your well thought out response, it didn't feel mean spirited at all.
I agree what you said as a rule and I suppose DP3 should have been written those rules in mind. But it wasn't or they failed miserably. Instead they chose a path with heavy cameos and meta knowledge not only about MCU but movie industry in general. And they sacrifised the plot for that purpose.
Now, while I agree what you said as a rule, I do think one could make very good movie, but niche, that does not follow that rule. One just needs to aware about who your audience is or is supposed to be. Most extreme mainstream example has to be Infinity war, it would actually be nice thought experience to check how well that movie would held up if it was the first one you saw.
As for DP3, I don't think it did that good job either way. But whether one has seen Loki does affect the perspective quite a lot. It would help to understand perspective if critics would tell whether they have seen Loki or not. Most don't really care either way, but it makes discussion around this movie very messy when some people just want to ignore all the TVA stuff. Which is also a fault of this movie for making that stuff make so little sense.
All in all, I think regarding DP3 whether I agree with you depends whether we are talking about the movie we got with the direction they chose or rather what this movie could and should have been about. The movie we got failed at your rule the moment it was decided to be made. And even then it could have been so much better written.
@@tabull8180 Thanks dude, I don't want to come off as harsh in general because I think an "argument", like this, is what arguments should be; civil and respectful regarding individual opinions.
It all really comes down to your own enjoyment of the movie, and I would be lying if I said I wasn't entertained and didn't enjoy myself when I watched it in theaters. Sure, on a second watch, the plot is iffy and the writing is below-par, but it's just my opinion and I don't want that to detract from mine or other peoples enjoyment of the movie, like yours.
I think that forcing an opinion onto someone else's as if it were fact is a very immature practice when it comes to watching and enjoying different media, and if people enjoy a movie, song, game, book for your own reasons than that's great; don't let other people ruin your happiness and enjoyment.
You're a chill and smart mfer, glad I got to have this convo with you dawg. :D
Thank you for posting 😂
14:00 - soo close and yet soo far. Its not the same Logan because of something you yourself point out. The Logan in Logan didnt kill the XMEN, Charles did. Charles remembers when young Logan kills him, that he had his first dementia attack and killed the entire mutant population off (possibly with Cerebro.)
Where as the Logan in DP & Wolverine says that he never wore a xmen costume, refused to join the xmen and one day humans murdered the xmen so he went off and killed a truck load of humans in a blind rage.
That also contradicts Logan in the original Xmen films, he wore a costume of sorts, the black leather suit and in X3 was a member of the Xmen, as far as giving orders, training women like Kity Pryde (played by Ellen Paige) in the danger room.
Wow, you make very good point of Deadpool not knowing what incursions are. It wasn't even lampshaded.
I like watching you shit on that that I don’t like.
I don’t like watching you shit on things I do like.
And you for listening to my feelings.
Carry on
2:08 Well you see Barry taught them how to be the fastest men alive.
Overall my feelings towards DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE are the same as Red VS Blue Restoration:
Is flawled, has some non-sensical ideas, & is clearly not the best thing they should do BUT CLEARLY IS THE BEST THEY COULD DO & I TRULY APRECIATE THE EFFORT, & I'm truly thankful the last thing they attempted to create were a flawled but satisfactory end of an era, & ironically, both productions end with a credit montage celebrating 20 years of their projects & all the people who worked on them
Ryan Reynolds cosplaying as Deadpool while just being Ryan Reynolds