They Still HATE Kevin Durant for This 🤬 | The Panel Debates
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- The Panel reminisce on Kevin Durant going to the Golden State Warriors in 2016 and how fans still have a sour taste in their mouth about the situation to this day.
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To say the cavs would have smoked the dubs without kd in 2017 is crazy..... It was a reason they were up 3-1 in the first place. They was the better team but losing bogut was a huge blow, steph and iggy was not 100%, and they just flat out choked
The warriors also went 16-4 without Kd in 2017
They were hurt doing 2 back-to-back game 7s. No kd join + staying means gsw prob plays okc again and if unlucky, spurs too. Not even guaranteed to repeat finals imo.
#1 seed doesn't play the #2 and #3 seed in the playoffs. Unless u saying gsw will be 2 or 3 or okc/sas both won't be 2 or 3 they will square up again and gsw is facing one of them
Yeaaaaah that’s crazy talk, 17 is another good finals. Dubs may win
@@djadondaman17 yeah I'm aware of how seeding works but, if say okc is 1st (because of MVP Russ season) , gsw is 2nd, sas 3rd... Yeah warriors would face both...
What’s funny to me is the cavs and Boston were also trying to get KD. Warriors are the most organically grown team since the spurs and they added one piece and everyone went crazy as if the lakers and Celtics haven’t done this since the beginning of time lol
Bingo.
No one cares for or blames GSW for getting KD. The criticism is on KD for choosing to go to the team that won 73 games that he just lost to
Well since the league is forming a new era of basketball, I would love to see KD on the Lakers for a swap for AD.. it would make more sense. Two of the best forwards in the game at the tail of their careers and form one of the best duos of all time to compete for a championship
Kd will always lose legacy discussions and unfortunately for him thats what the vast majority of basketball 'fans' talk about.
You speaking facts like for me I care about what you do on the floor and your impact and how you impacted winning
shit be making me so mad bro cause he my goat but half the time i can’t argue it because folks go straight to legacy i just be looking at skill with the ball that skinny mf is nice man
@@MarzTalksSports -you don't have a legacy you ain't qualified to speak on KD ya dig you play with barbie dolls
I don’t think he cares. Most legacy talk is about team accomplishments.
His last smoking gun in TOP 10 all time conversations were the two finals MVPs with the Warriors. When curry won the finals MVP on his own a couple years after KD, those conversations are dead!
So let me get this straight, Curry choked, kyrie and lebron had their best series ever, bogut and iggy were hurt games 5-7, the seires fame down to the final shot but the cavs were just gonna smoke them? And if it WAS a mismatch like people say then shouldn't adding kd be ok
No because they went 73-9 and they were up 3-1
@@isaiahthomas4444 if they were gonna get "smoked" next year then it should be ok
@@isaiahthomas4444& bs happened
Exactly how do u smoke someone in the future when u had to play the best series of your careers to squeak by the 1st time?
Get over it or keep that same energy for Lebron. This take is corny af.
Thank u😂😂😂
LeBron did not blow a 3 to 1 lead to the heat
@@dparks2856Lebron got walked down by Hedo in the 09 conference finals and KD won't receiver his flowers until he's not here like Kobe Bryant
@@malikwilson7387
LeBron did 38 8 and 8. I believe they couldn't stop Dwight
@@dparks2856 stat padders don't get credit Hedo was shooting lights out lebron shot terrible from the field im sick of you Lequeen cheerleaders hating on Durant
You got to love the inconsistencies:
1. How can you be mad at KD keeping Bron from rings, when Bron’s Superteam heat stopped KD from his first ring.
2. How can you be mad at KD going to the Warriors and not mad at Steph, Klay, Dray for recruiting him?
These discussions are narrative based and not based on reality.
1. Lebron didn’t go to a team that went 73-9 he went to a Miami team that prior to him going to south beach was getting bounce out the first round Chris bosh raptors was barely even sniffing the playoffs kd joined a 73-9 team with 3 all nba players that literally beat him while HE HIMSELF was up 3-1 and bron solidified his legacy afterwards winning in 2016 for Cleveland being DOWN 3-1
2. Everyone was upset at steph dray and klay people bring it up all the time when ppl debate steph vs bron
The context in which you have to put them in matters heavily without it you think bron and kd did the same exact thing
Brons move wasn’t intentional for the thunder and kd tho he did it to get past the Celtics be as good as the spurs kd and Westbrook just was fortunate to be there that yr they didn’t get back after that and blew a 3-1 lead to the warriors
@@deontresiler nope, bron still took the easy way out. Durant just one upped him. And no he didn’t redeem anything because he joined another Cavs superteam to win in 2016
@@vroomvroom6325 what about 2020🤔 lemme guess that’s a superteam? And he actually did being down 3-1 to the same team kd lost to of anything that makes kd looks worse lebron teams are very beatable and competitive to where they can still lose adding kd to the warriors made them UNBEATABLE hence 15-1 in the playoffs and lebron left to beat the Celtics bron was never gonna compete with the Celtics with him on the team like come on Daniel Gibson guarding ray allen? Lol drew gooden or donyell Marshall guarding kg? Like come on it’s not a blind eye to see he wasn’t beat that cavs team
@@deontresiler Nah but AD was the best player on 2020 dont get it twisted
And kd didn't have the privilege of a game 5 draymond suspension in his series and no bogut.
Bron was up 2-1 in 2010 and failed. He shot below 40% in 08 and failed. He ran to wade and bosh and failed in 11.
Then his superteam finally won, against a 23 year old KD who went through the tough west on his organic roster.
Lebron's legacy is failure. KD and lebron both took the easy way out. And that's why they're disgraced
Bro the Cavs would not beat the Warriors in five without KD in 2017. Adding KD made them unstoppable but even without him they were a better team than the Cavs. People love to analyze the 2016 finals without context. Steph, Bogut and Iggy were all hurt and Harrison Barnes couldn't throw a rock in the ocean all series. If the Warriors come back healthy in 2017 and add somebody better than Harrison Barnes, they woulda smoked the Cavs.
And if Draymond never would have got suspended they would have never lost that finals.
@@Christo_Trismegistuswelp that's the thing we will never know 🤷🏽😭 we can't do coulda woulda shoulda
Who was better than Barnes that they actually could get?
@@khalilprince2433 First two names that come to mind are Batum and Chandler Parsons.
@@Christo_Trismegistus draymond played in game 6 and 7 so what your point lebron and kyrie still would have smoked them even if he played in game 5
Kd going to the warriors back then is like the equivalent of now if jokic joined Boston , they’d be literally unstoppable .
Um it's not? jokic would have to lose to and join the team that lost in the finals. Kd didn't join lbj.
The only reason why I till this day think it’s weak… instead of being that 1A guy.. and coming back better after a 3-1 choke.. he decided it was an easier path to get rings with Steph and co… I wish that thunder team stayed together..
Half this video has been spent discussing Lebron 😂🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
i was gonna say put some more respect on kd😂
So cavs beat a injury warriors team & now they smoke them that’s weird tbh
The Raptors!
@@phillysgaming9814 like in 2015?
neither team beat the other fully healthy that’s part of why ppl didn’t like the kd move too
I never said anything about 2015 but we can see both teams didn’t face each other heathy but saying they get smoked is crazy knowing both times they was both injured but ya be bias with bron like thing didn’t have to got his way to win
I remember KD went to the warriors and nick wright Colin cowherd shannon sharpe etc saying the Cavs was gone win the warriors and KD choke artist now they together Lebron own them etc even before the playoffs started 😂😂 now it’s this they never believed Cavs could win nobody thought that
I remember hearing that too. Their statements were beyond crazy. I even knew the rest of the league had no chance. The media was just trying to sell a believable narrative, or at least the closest.
"My bad, Marz." 😆😆😆
the fact that people can still fix their mouths to say that kd was better than steph just shows me how much curry leaped kd and the fans and media cant stand it. they still hang on to that lie just to boost kd and not even mention or detail just how bad that team was with kd and without steph. skill for skill curry outclasses him and tbh its not close. curry is closer to mj and bron than kd is to steph. but hey dont mind me. ima just fye up this wood and call it a night. a
Honestly being from okc do I hate kd ? No but I still don’t respect what he did. I would say about 60% of Oklahomas still don’t like kd the other 40% is kd fans 🤣💯
Hating on a decision that happened several years ago is crazy KD is a great why can’t y’all respect that
Even Crazier is people don’t keep that energy for Lebron. It’s absolutely bugged out.
he’s definitely an all time great talent but that was a weak move to join the team that knocked him out the playoffs the previous year, two things can be true at once. kd coulda joined the wizards, spurs or celtics n would’ve been apart of a legit contender like he wanted to be but instead he chose to stack the deck in his favor. he knew that ppl werent gonna like that he chose that team specifically and he didn’t care at the time. now years later when he still hasn’t gotten the respect he feels he deserves, he and his fans get salty about ppl still not respecting that decision but it is what it is he can’t have it both ways. if he wanted to stay beloved by the majority of nba fans he should’ve avoided the easiest route to a championship
@@floatinrocktubetalk3768 facts lebron wins with a superteam and somehow he’s in the Goat conversation when Kd joined a superteam and won it’s just pure hate
@@floatinrocktubetalk3768bron ain’t join the already stacked team that came back 3-1 on him tho so what’re you talking about 😂😂
@@floatinrocktubetalk3768facts bro This is why PC is cooked they're super bias when Lequeen James ran to South Beach after Boston dominated him .when Kevin Durant is the best score in NBA History KD won't receive his flowers until its too late like Kobe Bryant
I think it’s a mutiple of factors Team Loyalty and Competitive Balance: Durant’s move from the Oklahoma City Thunder to the Golden State Warriors in 2016 is often cited as a major reason for the criticism he receives. Fans value loyalty and see his move as a betrayal, especially since the Warriors had just defeated the Thunder in the playoffs1. Additionally, joining an already dominant team was seen as damaging the competitive balance of the league.
Social Media Presence: Durant’s active social media presence and his use of burner accounts have been controversial. While some fans appreciate his unfiltered communication, others view it as unprofessional or overly sensitive2.
Leadership Style: Durant’s leadership style has been under scrutiny. He has stated that he doesn’t have the charismatic personality that many of his peers possess, which affects how he’s perceived as a leader3. Charles Barkley, for example, has openly called Durant a follower rather than a leader, which has influenced public opinion3.
Handling Criticism: Durant’s responses to criticism have also been a point of contention. He has been labeled as soft or emotional for defending himself, which some fans see as a lack of toughness2.
Especially considering how active Kevin is on social media 😂😂😂
Salute P.C. 🙏
The 2017 Cleveland team made a mistake not going for defensive minded players , the 2017 year cavs had no defense against gsw. They should’ve went out got either tony allen, Paul George , Danny green , Beverly , Andre Roberson , etc.
They thought they could outscore GSW and beat them at their own game. It wasn't very smart basketball.
The Warriors were in a unique position to get KD due to the cap going up and Steph was on a less than max contract. I think other max players would’ve done the same thing if presented with that opportunity when they hit free agency. Chill has a point about winning would’ve helped Kyrie stay but he’s one of the rare guys that would leave regardless of success if he felt that way.
I’m a okc fan and recently decided to sell kds okc jersey . I held onto his jersey to 8 years until recently a lady wanted to buy it for her son. I’m like let’s get rid of this bad memory
KD gets Torn to shreds for joining teams with super stars and not winning. Implying he should be considering the talent around him.
Lebron should be winning playing next to d Wade and bosh.
He should be able to win with kyrie and Love. I didn’t even mention how pathetic the east was. He shouldn’t be in no goat convo for them weak ass rings.
2020 the bubble and he was playing with Prime AD. When he had his jumper. The hypocrisy is crazy. You casuals are nasty
You added LeBron and Bosh with Wade.. it's pretty much the same and both teams won 2 chips... logic... I'm not a fan of either scenario but both sides mainly disliked it cause it created competition both teams and the mentality then was team up for easy wins..
Weakest move in sports history
No
@@TheSwagIsBackwhat was worse?
@@TheSwagIsBack it was
He was not leaving if they won
Half this video has been spent discussing lebron lol 😂
The only thing about the KD move was he joined the team that just beat him that was it other than that in terms of competitive balance or whatever it was the same as Bron in 2010 going to play with 2 other stars in the east that led their own teams to the playoffs and got anyone saying it was a forgone conclusion the warriors were beating Cleveland go back and look at what the conversation was after they lost to the cavs on Xmas day
I hated that he went to gold state still do i wouldn’t have cared if he went to any other team but the team that just beat you is crazy idc🤷🏾♂️
I respect KD tho do what you gotta do for your legacy
KD should have done what Kawhi did. KD would have been great in Toronto. Toronto could have won multiple championships with KD. When Kawhi was in Toronto, it was one and done.
Because of that move KD got surpassed by Steph, Giannis and Jokic. Giannis and Jokic still need a few years under their belt but the people tryna 🧢 for KDisney won’t admit that that is a factor in why they rank such players above him ALL TIME.
Giannis and Jokic are NOT ahead of kd are you fucking kidding me
@@yrgln7416read this again son
@@yrgln7416 yes they are and if not now, they definitely will be in a few years barring injuries
Jokic and giannis aren't top 15 all time yet relax.
@@khalilprince2433they will be by the end of their career tho
Is it me or does Marz feel more active since he got pressed 😂😂
@@malone2860 when did i get pressed so i can see if im more active since then
@@MarzTalksSports You’ve always been knowledgeable but I’ve seen clips and streams over the past year of you being dejected and disengaged during conversations. I haven’t seen that at all since Dub left and called you out and was hoping that was intentional. judging by your response though it may just be a coincidence and we’ll see that same stuff in the future.
@@malone2860 oh im still dejected and disengaged forsure
Bron called him a kid after kyrie left lol kyrie probably was just jealous and of made the weakest move in nba history
What if he went back now ?
Guy in the hat domt know what he talking about
11:11 11:11
I loved it just because I knew LeBron wasn’t gonna win again. Then he left to LA lol.
warriors beat the cavs in 6 again fully healthy and without kd. yall forget them games were close with steph at 40%, bogut gone, andre hurt, draymond playing ping pong with brons Le-testies. Eevm woith all that it too brons best finals performance, kyrie playing unlike kyrie, and bads calls and a bs ejection on steph, just to beat a team cripples
The KD move pretty much gave Lebron James a Get Out Of Jail Free card for making superteams to most people (although they'd been giving him excuses already). The Warriors move pretty much gave Lebron fans the pass they were looking for because all the media could focus on a that point was KD and the Warriors.
So the 80s Celtics and Lakers weren't super teams with 4 hall of famers?
The 08 Celtics with 4?
The 2013 Lakers with Nash, Paul, Ron, Kobe and D12?😂
@@Cediedash22 I mean, we can go back to the late 50s with superteams. The problem is people like to pick and choose when it's acceptable. You cant watch Lebron do it (for 6 years at that point) and expect there not to have been a response by other players in the league. The Warriors w/KD was that response.
@smoothsavage2870 The response to 08, was Lebrons response with Miami, was KDs response with 2016 and the Warriors after that,
So yes I understand the logic absolutely but superman's is part of the NBA
We can say it's on principle but kyrie was being delusional 😂😂 how do you believe lebron coming back to Cleveland that it would still be your team...also if kobe called him kid I don't think he would take it as someone trying to play father😂😂😂like come on be fr. Gotta love kyrie tho
If Kevin Durant doesn't go to the Warriors he will not have any Championships point blank
Let’s just be clear about what we’re arguing about, cuz mfs seem to be having two different debates at once, and not realizing it. We not questioning his greatness. We questioning his placement as a top 15 player in history. KD’s a legendary player, but he’s not in the conversations of a Hakeem, of a Curry, of a LeBron, of a Kobe, of a Duncan, he not in there. Kevin Durant, (assuming he doesn’t win a third ring), is in the conversations of a Karl Malone, of a Jerry West, of a Oscar Robertson, of a Charles Barkley, and even of a Giannis. Let’s stop putting KD in conversations where KD just straight up doesn’t belong in. THAT’S the gripe
I think you just how many greats there are.
The players at the 15 mark are players like Barkley, Malone, KG, etc. KD is exactly at that top 15 mark.
Kd can arguably be top 7 and you tryn compare him to Charles Barkley gtfo
As a grizz fan I thought it was a hoe move like y watch the NBA I just waited for it to end I went outside
If u watched it anyways whats the point of ranting. You are pissing yourself off
idc what anybody think i think kd should have went to portland or stay in okc
Kd on that 2017 Portland team would’ve been fire
@@sweetchilliheat4559 exactly
It’s the fact that it was the only time he got close to winning. After GSW he tries his hardest to build super teams, ruins teams then leaves.
What has he done without hall of famers next to him? Absolutely nothing
If Kevin Durant does not go to the Warriors LeBron easily will have 5 championship he definitely would of had 6 total if kyrie and Kevin love don't get injured in 2015
A bunch of ifs buts and mabyes
Says who cus u say so? U have no evidence what gsw could've done. They had a max slot already if kd didn't join them. Also what if kd joined cle would u hold those 6 rings the same?
He went to the team he lost to in the wcf that’s the weakest thing I ever seen
Lebron lost to GS and BEAT them the next year. KD lost to GS and JOIN them the next year. This is the difference. And Lebron never joined the team that beat him. KD can’t say that.
Bro for you casuals kd joined a already 73-9 team that he had a 3-1 lead to and lost it gtfoh kd is not a top 10 player of all time & never will be
He is lol, you've never seen 10 players better 😂
@godbot-ff1550 Kd is top 15 all time. Definitely not top 10.
@@godbot-ff1550 you definitely a casual
@@godbot-ff1550you KD gawkers are something else
Ppl get more talented and better player confused.
So it was the most unfair move because made the team unbeatable.
But still they would argue the 04 Pistons would have beaten them...
Unfair sheesh. 60s Cs 80s lal in a weak west thats unfair but I guess since it was most recent it doesn't matter. Now if they lose would u care or would u forever clown that team?
People need to realize there was a superteam before LeBron went to Miami heat remember KG, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen were in Boston
Ibdon't jate KD i hate Draymond
They don’t hate Lebron for going to Miami and bullying the weaker conference tho. Facing 41 win teams in the playoffs while on a superteam. Dudes are clowns.
After spending 7 years of singling carrying a trash team like he owned you something
@@user-gj4zr6bd6x You’re a weirdo. That so called “trash” team helped him get to the Finals goofy. Go head make excuses I won’t be reading anything you have to say.
@@user-gj4zr6bd6x Yet they helped him win over 60 games. You weirdos will always have an excuse for Lebron 😂. Enjoy that mute
Its extremely bias. I tend to side with Lebron’s side if I had to pick in the situation. My rationale being there was no chance for Lebron to win out east, even more so on the Cavs. The ownership seemed to be really against getting him another piece to contend with. No matter how far he made it , he wouldnt win because the team construction of whoever were to come out of the west was too much. It was proved in 07 and he gave the Cavs 2 more seasons to show they were willing to work with him, they didnt. He created a monstrous team to get out of the east and contend with the west. KD however was in position to beat the then widely considered “GOAT team” and folded, and rather than run it back he joined (as the best scorer in the league) a 73-9 record team. Both situations aren’t highlights of theirs careers and should be looked down upon imo, but my point is one has far more legs of integrity to stand on. Neither move was good for basketball, but KD’s was spineless. There was literally no reason to leave OKC
@@PraiseThaDon facts they cheerleaders
It's not hate it's the truth it was a weak move him and his team was up 3-1 and they choked and you go there after the GS lose and now years later failure in Brooklyn and now Phoenix but the kd fans gonna coddle and baby him make excuses for him when he comes up short
Facts
@@sweetchilliheat4559 KD fans are beyond toxic 🤦🏽🤨
Why does nobody hate the Steph, Klay and Dray for recruiting KD though? They are just as guilty. Draymond called KD in the locker room after game 7 in 2016. They were at his house in the Hamptons to get him to join. Idc about them wanting to add a great player to their roster. If they were that good, they would've ran it back as they were contructed. They werent confident that they could beat Lebron & Kyrie. Period.
Because they proved they could win before and after, they just grabbed the opportunity to make their team better.
The Cavs made a move for KD too. So Lebron, Love and Kyrie are bitches too?
The GS were that good, period. Still, if you replay the 2016 Finals 100 times GS wins probably 60% of them(That means they lose 40).
Why shouldnt they increase their chances if they had the cap space?
@@sergeistalin7916 To your first point, it was not simply about winning before and after KD. Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown is not the reason they wanted KD. They got him for the Cavs.
GSW won in 2015 because the Cavs core players were injured in 2015. Give KD the Heat without Chris Bosh and D Wade and he has a ring in 2012. There's a reason GSW is 1-2 against Lebron without KD.
The Cavs are weak af too. The Cavs were already a superteam, so there was no need for KD. But KD wouldnt have joined them anyway because he had to avenge his loss to Lebron in 2012. That's why the Warriors made sense. They'd just lost to Lebron and KD lost to Lebron in the finals 4 years prior.
The Cavs had the Warriors number. The best player pre-KD in the Warriors/Cavs rivalry was Lebron. And Kyrie was arguably the 2nd best. GSW could've increased their chances by playing better than they did in the 2016 finals. Klay and Steph were trash for most of that series, but nobody talks about it.
@@smoothsavage2870 1) My point was they are not hated because their legacy wasnt built on KD, they already won and made 2 Finals, even got a 73/9 record while still having more money to upgrade the team. They already had a legacy. KD cheated his legacy by joining, thats why he is hated.
2) And the Cavs won in 2016 because Curry, Iggy and Bogut were injured. So whats the point?
3) Maybe, since for them is a job, teams are always looking to get better.
The Cavs and warriors in 2016 with injuries were a really close series, without injuries i put the warriors slightly over. Still is like a 60% chance to win. You expect them to flip a coin to decide if they win instead of improving their chances?
Would you have being fine if GS traded Barnes and a few pieces for PG instead?
4) I agree they played like thrash, everything that could go wrong for GS went wrong. Still they were 1 shot away to win. Thats why their legacy is already set. They werent frauds that got lucky, they were legit.
Bruh LeBron recruited KD plus the warriors was doin that before the 2015 finals
@@sergeistalin7916 1) They got a 73 win record but also are the only team to blow a 3-1 lead in the finals. That would've been their legacy if KD didnt ruin his own to save theirs. KD joining them is the reason they didnt go on a 7 year drought for championships, because they werent beating Lebron (barring injuries).
2) The Cavs won because they were the better team. Bogut isnt the one that needed to make shots. Steph and Klay were and they failed. 2 out of the Warriors 3 wins in that series were because of the role players and not Steph and Klay.
3) The only person it's a job to is the FO. It's not the players job to call on other players to join their team after they just got their asses handed to them. That's weak no matter how you slice it.
4) They were one shot away and neither of the folks that were the most important to making the shots could do it. Their legacy is only set because KD improved their chance of beating Lebron because he was the equalizer. KD is the only Warrior in the Steph era of the franchise's history that was as good or better than Lebron at any point.