Shut up casual. Kevin Durant has accomplished more than you ever will. He won multiple rings while your ass is still at home hating. Kevin Durant will always be the GOAT.
Yeah KD's right, motion offense only works until a certain point in the playoffs. That certain point is when you win the finals because that's when the playoffs is finished lol KD come on now you can't be serious
I guess in GS case, the point was that they played so many games compared to other teams cause they always got to the finals that they eventually got injured :/
Clearly KD doesn't like to be coached. A good king is also an excellent servant. Kd worked as the ultimate closer for gsw but they can serve the same purpose with 2 or 3 swing players and always win from attrition. KD is a child and without humbleness to be directed in life itself he will always be a lone talent.
What unlocked MJ into a big winner was buying into a system, the triangle. Yeah, that system allowed him (and Kobe) the freedom to freelance, especially at the end of games, but having a team strategy made their teams better than just their superstar alone. Basketball is a team sport.
Exactly. Not many know that MJ's numbers were actually "better" before the triangle, but he wasn't winning Chips until he bought into the system. This is one of the many reasons why Steph is so great imo. He puts up great numbers but knew early that if you have a great system, then rings is what matters over stats. Imo players like Harden, KD, Ja either don't realize it yet or would rather put up numbers than win rings
Phil Jackson literally said, “You aren’t going to be the leading scorer of the league night after night like before.” MJ brushed him off and said, “What is this? An equal opportunity offense?” Yes MJ it was. And got you 6 rings.
@@falaflani4831 Yes and no. Yes their system is a good one but unfortunately w/o Ja. It's too iso heavy w/ him. Dont get me wrong, he's a great young player but it's obvious to me(and the numbers back it up) that they are a better team w/o him. If he didn't need the ball as much I think they would def thrive with him in that system. I think Ja is shooting for that superstar status rn and accolades opposed to playing winning team ball. Lower his usage rate and they'll be dangerous.
@@nrgmanifest they are not better without him they just play differently. Ja is still young and it's up to the coach to get him to play the right way which I believe he will
@@jiggafromstatefarm9997 which is what KD’s point was. He wasn’t saying the Warriors should abandon their principles. Heck it’s a what drew him to go there. He’s saying that certain matchups, certain times in the game you just need a bucket getter
He didn’t say iso hall every play . He’s letting it known that he’s the best player on the Warriors and he’s #1 option so you need to give the ball and get out his way of he can get his mid range isolations. He didn’t win 4 scoring titles on accident
He doesn’t think that he’s just finding an excuse to why he wanted to leave golden state which was to prove that he can win without curry and to prove that he’s the reason why they went to the finals and won. Neither are in his favor 😂
Another point is how passing motivates the “others” to play better defense, and get more engaged in the game. Then because no one feels left out of feels out of touch with the game they go on bigger runs and then are able to close large leads. Shaq, Kobe, mj, and all these greats always mention how they started winning championships because they trusted their teammates more.
Verified "other" here. Nobody really wants to pick me but some wanna force bad shots over double teams while others make the extra pass for my Zaza like basic layups and encourag on defence
Thats why for example lebron always focused on involving his teammates. He learnt from the greats that you arent winning a chip without your team, thats what made him a winner
@@NothingElseMattersJM I don't know what your point is, But im Sure you're hating On Steph Curry and the Warriors. KD wouldn't have Won A Ring Without Curry and His Golden State warriors.
That last scene with Kerr says so much. KD had no confidence in the rest of the team. And that's why he "needed" to go and isolate. He wanted to be part of a great team. He didn't want to build the culture of a winning team. And his first thought was to show out and make GSW look like the shell of a team first offense. His ego was too big for the team and that's what Draymond was letting us know. I like how when Klay and Andre were in a similar situation, they were very open about their wants and expectations, even to the media. He never cared about how his actions affected the team, just what the team could do for him and his legacy
There's a video of Draymond talking about the play that led to him yelling at KD. Dray got the rebound late and KD clapped his hands to give him the ball. Dray saw the clock running down and heard people saying to push. So, in his mind, he was going to drive hard and then pitch it back to KD for a wide open shot. When he turned his head slightly to look for him after crossing half, KD was still at the other end pouting because he didn't get the ball right away and that's when he turned it over. Then, KD had the nerve to be pissed and say something on the way to the huddle. Dray was thinking of the team. KD didn't trust him and it cost them a win
Draymond was right when he called KD a bitch b/c KD let all the "you joined a 73 win team" nonsense punk him into leaving. Only a bitch would fcuk up the perfect situation b/c he was getting teased. Real men don't run from the smoke.
I'm a huge Nets fan, but something I've noticed about KD, is that he is extremely arrogant. All that talk about he's the best player in the world has gone to his head, and I hope this sweep would bring him down to Earth.
Yeah, as a warriors fan I’m pissed at KD. He is not only arrogant off the floor but on the floor as well, dude stole 2 fmvps from steph and took highly contested shots just for the sake of stat padding. He didn’t play our system.
That's my main gripe with KD. Obviously hes amazing at basketball and his game is beautiful but hes just so cocky and arrogant. He always seems to be talking down to people and acting like hes better then regular people.
Imagine. Imagine having Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala as you teammates, guys who either among the greatest shooters, playmakers and high iq minds of all time. And yet your coach stick has to urge you to trust them...
Wish he never joined the warriors honestly. We had to clear the bench to pay him and we're proving with wiggins any decent 2 way wing could've did the job. It's not like it was ever close with kd so someone half as good could've still gave us what we needed
@@SpeakHerMusic We were already making the finals , and winning 3 games against cavs in finals , its not like we were getting swept by them that we needed KD , KD wouldn't even come out of Conference without us. We should've just sticked to our team tbh
@@SpeakHerMusic while the warriors might have not won back to back rings revenge against Cleveland would probably feel way more cathartic without KD. It's just not as fun when you're dominating. A game 7 win id way better than a sweep as a fan
@@SpeakHerMusic I think without KD, the Cavs would’ve won 2 and GSW won 2 times. Was so evenly matched, like a chess match really. KD just made it a bit easier and play less playoff games. I’m still grateful for the insanely entertaining offense and defense they provided those three years.
Bro got so bored of being a stellar coach that he started getting his players to run ring around the rosey😭😭. Best part is the shit actually works. It confuses the defence and the players get a lot of space off of it.
Exactly. Dude was surrounded with knowledge his whole career, and now he is guy you get the knowledge from. The only coaches better than him in the league right now are spo and pop, some of the greatest coaches ever.
It only work because the shooting of Klay Thompson and Steph Curry being threats on the team if they were not on that team that isolation would not work
Kd left OKC simply too “win a ring” he did that then he got tired of people saying his rings were fraudulent & dRaymond called him a bitch so his feelings where hurt so he left GS to go Brooklyn where he is now. They won’t win anything
Exactly, especially since the East is a bloodbath these days. And even if they do make it to the finals, which unless they trade Kyrie and somehow get Ben to play and have him be a valuable option, they still have to worry about the phenomenal teams in the west, like the Suns (yes, I still do think they have a championship window even with that disastrous performance), the Grizzlies when they fully mature, The Warriors, the Nuggets when they finally get healthy, and even other teams. And don't get me wrong, even as an OKC fan, I like KD. He definitely deserves his legacy in the league... but until he proves that he didn't need Golden State to win a ring, which is only going to get harder at this point, then he will always have an asterisk on his career.
@@mikefrost5575 ppl be talking about the east being a bloodbath...man just wait till we get healthy clippers, revenge minded suns, potentially stronger mavs, healthy nuggets, warriors with youth developing, maturing grizzlies, Timberwolves could get even better, 2022-23 has a lot of potential for an even more competitive playoffs.
Even KD's body language to Kerr when Kerr told him to trust his teammates early, tells me that KD didn't really care for what Kerr was saying to him...KD has a lot to learn and I'm glad that he's no longer in the warriors system...iso bal can only get you so far.
Nets first game against Boston, last 15 seconds, showed perfectly the flaw in Durants thinking. Nets try to score. Durant iso. Fail. Irving iso. Fail. Then Celtics run The other way and every one of the five guys had the ball at some point during those few seconds that ended into a game winning layup.
That's not true, but the Nets lost because Durant wasn't concentrating on defense, and despite being in the lane lost Tatum and allowed him that game winning layup
At some point, no matter how great you are, you're still human. You're going to get tired and you're going to have off nights. The beauty of Warriors basketball is that almost anyone on the floor can score, they work as a team, so if someone is off, someone else can step up, and Steph doesn't feel like he has to burn himself out trying to go get 40pts a game and the result is both Steph and the rest of the team have gas still left in the tank to finish in the 4th and close teams out in a series.
I’m glad someone finally speaking on this. KD was talking out his ass when he left GSW and was disrespecting the system. Especially when they went out of their way to accommodate him and make it work
Even after the Boston sweep he still got into it with Chuck and called himself a basketball "GOD", legit arguing that AFTER BOSTON SWEEP on Twitter. The dude's a narcissist.
Steph even took a back seat to KD when he had been with them. I've never liked Kevin Durant - he's like the most unhappy person on the planet - but I respected his game. However, I also knew he, Kyrie & Harden would never have won a championship together. My co-workers, friends & family thought I was nuts for saying that 3yrs ago during the off season. Well, who has the last laugh now? 😃🤣😂
Kevin Durant knew he would've been Criticized the rest of his career as soon as he sign thoughs papers in the 2016 off-season, unless he pulled a LeBron and return back to OKC and won a chip🤷🏾♂️ but we all know that wasn't gonna happen 😭😭😭
@Honest Russell Westbrook & Kyrie Irving Fan still holds down Seattle though. Just goes to show if they never left Seattle he would’ve never left the team.
I think KD didn't listen to Kerr. Kerr said "early" and "trust" two of the point where KD missed his point. His statement pretty much prove Kerr point about going into two quarters.
This is why when ppl bring up Steph's numbers (which are great btw) there has to be a caveat or context involved because Steph has ALWAYS put up great numbers BUT was ALWAYS about the team and playing winning basketball. Yea an iso heavy player like Luka, Ja, Harden, KD MAY have better individual stats than Steph at a given time, but they arent winning rings. Steph puts up amazing numbers and STILL wins rings. He CAN put up even better numbers if he was selfish and about his stats but he isn't. He wants to win and loves getting his teammates involved....yet ppl knock him for it SMH. I mean this man took a back seat to KD, not because KD is a better player, but b/c that is how Steph is. And if you compare his numbers w/ KD's that 2nd the 3rd yr you'll quickly see that even taking a back seat to KD, Steph's numbers were damn near identical. Seriously, like identical...and again this is with Steph taking a back seat. Imagine if Steph actually wanted to lead or was concerned with putting up numbers. He obviously could have and his numbers would look even more amazing than they already are.
Even Michael Jordan couldn't win untill he started trust his teammates. Doesn't matter how amazing you are as an individual player, this is a team game.
Exactly. AND Jordan, who is known as an egomaniacal asshole, never fails to give his teammates their proper credit. "If they speak the name Michael Jordan, they should also speak of Scottie Pippen." That's the mark of a good teammate, and a good leader. When you can put your ego aside to admit that you didn't do it all by yourself.
Steph got mvp chants in the nets arena when him and Durant lead the race...curry was dropping bombs from 30 feet while kd and harden could only sit and watch...bliss might've been an understatement (then came warriors suns christmas)
Yes we did because the Warriors played a lot of defense on the Nets and KD see when KD was at Golden state Steph was more of he main one got double or triple team not KD now KD see how Steph feels getting pressured this year when the Celtics beat him down
Man as much as I'd like to see more of your videos I love how you sit back and do the most on your analyses and come with crazy insights that either confirm or deny basketball philosophy. KD will go down in history as a what could have been. He's great but he's gonna go out working twice as hard for half the results.
The More you Pass, The More you divide the energy used by each passer on offense. Everyone feels included and keep their interest in the Game. The High Usage, Ball Dominant Player Will Be tired at the end of the Game. And his teammates will be Cold at that moment and won't be able to Help them in the clutch.
That statement was arrogant and gave me clarity about KDs insecurities. He’s double talking around his intentions to always get finals MVP. Which he achieved, but The rings were so easy they couldn’t even fulfill him. Kd leaving GS(in their prime) is an indicator that he doesn’t even respect those chips…so idk why everyone does.
From everything that KD has said, it's super clear that he honestly didn't buy all the way in the same way Jordan did with the triangle offense. It's not that KD is wrong, it's that him being in the system changed the way the system worked, and so when he felt like the system wasn't working, he then stopped it in its tracks. Look at him now....
Something we forget about is chemistry you brought up San Antonio in 2014 and the reason why that worked was because we had our big 3 that played YEARS together so things like knowing where each other is gonna be made that system work same thing with the Warriors they have Steph Klay and Dray who’ve spent some time together to the point where it’s like all you need is two plug in guys and they’ll be a contender automatically just off of chemistry so I think chemistry is mainly what makes these offenses special
Nah durants dead wrong here. yes it may become tougher to run that offense and an iso scorers important, every form of offense becomes tougher as the defenses are usually tough-elite in the last 2 rounds and the competition is the toughest youve played all year. you cant pullup on a 72 win team with a ring already how their offense is flawed. even as KD.
I don't think ball/player movement style plateaus in the playoffs, I think what happens is that players don't tend to buy into that system consistently enough. Iso ball is easier - if it's not your turn to try to exploit a matchup then you just stand around being ready to catch and shoot if your man leaves you open. Iso ball probably also feels better as a star player, as the constant control of the ball makes you feel more in control of the game. Most stars don't want to learn to be in the right place at the right time, they want to make their own time and place.
Passing the ball keeps your opponent moving and taking out their legs so that in the 4th quarter they can’t contest Steph and Klays 3 pointers. Moving the ball is about making you think twice about double team the best players.
This has nothing to do with the fact that KD has 0 playoff accomplishments without Curry but I still think 2018 FMVP was a robbery as well, Steph deserved that one
When KD said it, it was sort of true, bc the 3's often cool off in the 4th, guys get tight, legs get tired, etc. But Steph added that muscle to his frame, now he can attack the rim against most anyone, even elite defenders like Robert Williams. He hit the 3's early to get the lead, then closed the Celtics out with consistent 2's via getting a big switched onto him on the perimeter and then taking to the hole. It's a new aspect to his game that duplicates what KD gave GS. I know it sounds insane, but in a sense, KD would be redundant now. Not that the Dubs wouldn't be thrilled to get him back, but he'd be nowhere near as critical as he was the 3 seasons he was here, as he was the Dubs' closer then bc GS didn't have one when he joined. But Steph added yet more skills, and is now a consistent closer if the 2022 playoffs is any measure. Amazing.
Curry and Klay will always play to win. Getting the whole team involved, giving up a good shot to get the best shot. KD is one in a million because he can create a shot out of nothing. KD isn’t 100% wrong in that, eventually you just need to abandon the motion and get a shot. Huge Warriors fan, our biggest weakness in the 2 finals prior to KD was late game, defense locking GS down, they had a hard time getting buckets. KD was the perfect fix. If they shave 20 seconds off the shot clock and get nothing. You give it to KD and he will always get off a good look. But that’s 5-10% of the game. Steph controls every aspect of offense the other 90% of the time. The reason Gold States teammates always flourish, the reason everyone always bags on Steph for being “on a deep team” is because he is able to get his teammates better shots than they’ve ever had. Including KD
but they would have got that look way faster if kd would have played like everybody else. he standing in the corner left one defender to help with the movement. he would have got so many free buckets if he had played the system like everybody else. can you imagine kd thompson and curry moving like curry all the time some one is going to be free at some point for easy points
@@NothingElseMattersJM i suggest you go back and watch those games again because you couldn't be more wrong about that. What did his mid range iso ball do for him in this years playoffs?
what KD didn't get is that gs do play ISO at times but the point of their ISO is to get others open and force double teams... we saw this when Mavs had the lead and warriors couldn't buy a bucket, Curry started ISO playing he ate like 10-14 point of Luka alone in like 3 minutes before he started being a passer and not even attempting a shot for like 5 minutes which got them others going and got them the lead
I have observed that KD never meshed well with the style of play of GSW , so he decided to leave. During his stint with GSW, KD always isolates the play to himself. This usually slows down the pace of the team, and Curry and the rest just went along with it. Despite that slowed down pace of KD game, they still managed to win 2 rings. Well, GSW is a pretty good team before KD came along... Now KD is with the Nets. He will never win another ring because of his style of 1 on 1 play. Don't get me wrong, KD is a great player and should have adjusted himself at GSW and not the other way around.
Kevin Durant in 2016, when joining the Warriors: "I just wanna hoop!" Kevin Durant in 2019, when leaving the Warriors. "This whole hooping and winning thing......it's not for me."
I highly dislike softass KD and goofy ass Kyrie but I have to recognize that they are the two of the best isolation players in the league. And they got SWEPT playing that style. That goes to show you that isolation heavy, heroball centric teams don’t win anymore. If these two couldn’t even get a single game using iso style, no other team will be able to win with that style. So KD is wrong.
It really is crazy to think about what would have happened if they never had the injuries and KD stayed with GS. Probably would have won like 6 titles in a row.
Durant slowly walking away from Kerr while he’s explaining team ball sums up this video. “You got what you wanted, but you lost what you had.” Was it worth it?
"That motion offense works to a certain point" That point being an NBA championship lol KD is talented but he's also a fickle and dumb guy. He'll always be remembered as the guy who hopped on the GS bandwagon for a few championships then he left when things got tough. Even worse, he left Steph for Clownrie Irving smh
🌝Back to back finals mvps on Lebron’s head averaging 32.3 ppg, 9.3 rebounds , 6.3 assists, and 1.9 blocks on 54.3% FG, 45%3pt and 94%. People lie;numbers don’t. He was the best player on the warriors and proved time and time agains that Lebron cannot guard him at all lol.
@Isaac Newton - I'm not surprised you don't want to give Steph, or for that matter, the entire Warriors team, the credit they're due. After all, you didn't want to give any credit to Leibniz, either.
2014 spurs were the best team ever. Yes, they might loose vs peak GSW, Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, but as a team? It was the best team performance i've ever seen. The WCF and the championship cs the Heat were beautiful.
I would argue peak GSW buy that Spurs team philosophy. That Spurs team would lose on roster construction only - they both give the ball energy in a way that no other teams have truly bought into.
Kd didn't want to leave just Iso ball from OKC. He wanted to leave from westbrook. Westbrook was a high volume shooter with not much efficiency. What made it worst was that Westbrook basically chose when to pass the ball to KD. I remember so many times in lat game situations when westbrook would ignore everyone including KD and brick a shot. Knowing dam well he had one of the best scorers of all time next to him. Not to mention for every good play Russ had you would see one equally as bad that could not be explained. Yes, KD wanted to try out golden state but ultimately I believe it was Russ being his point guard that drove him away
There is so much sense and substance to what you just said! You are a lot better analyst than who we see and heard from ESPN and Fox. Man, you are way way better!
He left gsw because he wanted to prove he could do it without steph and what happened ? The Celtics went on and swept him and kyrie and the golden state steph defeated the Celtics in 6 games in the finals and he won finals mvp this season will forever stain kd’s legacy
Great video, definitely going to be a great series against GS. Celtics have had the same thing with the Big Al game, the Batman Williams game, Marcus smart, and then multiple times with the Jays… I’m psyched for this series may the best team win
KD had no choice to leave 1. Draymond called him a bitch and said they won without him 2. His rings will never be respected till he wins one by himself
True, leaving was probably his best bet legacy wise, but building another “super team” wasn’t the move. Honestly I don’t think any rings he gets (if he gets one) will be respected unless it’s in Oklahoma and if GS wins a ring this year it will be worse.
Honestly KD’s legacy is screwed. I don’t see him winning another ring, and if he does it’ll either involve another bubble like in 2020 when everyone was injured, or joining ANOTHER superteam. The warriors already won a ring without him, and it seems like they’ll do it this year too. Remember how pissed people were at lebron for joining the heat superteam? Yeah well this was even worse.
@@carlaijahlee5006 maybe if he won with the nets his legacy would be saved, but now all I can see looking at him is how overrated he is, the only way he got to a finals is with a overstacked team
@@NothingElseMattersJM I wouldn’t say the second round series considering they effectively won the last 2 games without him (he was injured in Game 5 when the score was nearly tied in the third quarter). Everyone including KD struggled in that Conference Finals.
Passing the ball a lot DOES work. It was how the Spurs destroyed my Heat in 2014. I remember they're passing motions clearly. Patty Mills and Danny Green splashing those 3's. Edit: Okay at 4:30 you did bring up the Spurs.
What got me the most in 2014 was the Games 3 and 4 in Miami. Carbon copies of each other, SAS so dominant both games were over by the 3rd quarter. Never saw a LeBron team get beat so badly so consistently that proved it was no fluke and LBJ was ready to leave town and go back to Cleveland.
@@moeball740 it was embarrassing man🤦🏾♂️, it felt like the games were over within the first 5 min, we were so flawed in 2014 I feel like if we faced anybody else besides SA we probably 3 peat
@Nav 98 - it's interesting to think how history may have been changed by SAS in 2014. Had Miami 3peated I'm not sure LBJ would have gone back to Cleveland. But the Spurs beat the Heat so convincingly LeBron knew it wasn't a fluke, the days of Miami dominating were over. Thus it was back to the Cavs for LeBron!
@@NothingElseMattersJM Curry is the option. Without Curry, the warriors offense is terrible and they don't win a lot of games. Besides, the Warriors won more games without Durant then they did with him even when he joined Golden State.
yall are living in the moment lol I see what swish was talking about when he said gsw fans are annoying let me guess pretty soon yall gonna be saying curry is better than lebron
Great video, well done! That's so true... KD gets stuck in the mindset of "no one is as good as me" and wants to dominate. Well yes, no ONE is as good as him, but the team playing together as a WHOLE is much better than the KD solo show.
remember, the Warriors, especially Curry, DEFERRED to KD in a lot of games, when he came to the Bay Area. so from HIS point of view, they had to switch to iso-ball in order for him to win the game for the team. in reality, the team could have easily stayed with the motion offense and still win. that would have just meant less buckets for KD. that’s why his stats skyrocketed during the Finals.
@@NothingElseMattersJM the point is if one thinks the rings were down bad and not great because of the inevitable energy, than guess what not winning now makes those final MVPs also seem useless... But all that matters is the winning however he just gonna get the karma if they win one, and they four away
KD's getting older we have to remember that as well. It's a motion offense because that's exactly what it is, always being in motion, and just maybe that might work for younger legs, or players that are used to running around all the time, this that and another. I think what he was trying to get at was when the game comes to a critical point, where you have to either tie it up, or go for the go ahead point etc etc, then you can't be wasting too much time running around looking for the open man. If they have the lead already then they can keep on running around, and looking for an open shot, though when the lead gets either even, or they start losing, you can't be wasting time passing the ball around, looking for that perfect spot. I have no idea what it is to be in a basketball game at that level so I'm just hypothesizing for now.
I think you're right to a certain point...yes they will get older but think about it. How many guys stay on the same team their whole career? Most of them get traded so they are always fresh legs coming into the NBA. Look at GSW...Who would have thought Moody, Kuminga, would already get some playing time during the finals and actually bring value and points to the team? I just don't think age plays that big of a deal. I see Curry not shooting so much or being rotated out to preserve his body and why not when your bench is actually winning or can make a comeback without you. IMO
Steve Kerr's offense has worked to get the GSW into 6 Finals. It only stopped 2 years because of injuries. KD should know this. I think KD knows this, but KD just wants the ball...if you know what I mean... to hisself!
Basically, all the truly great players can exist independently of whatever system is run for them. The system is mostly to make the role players get easier shots to ease the burden on the best players. Added bonus if a system can also generate easy shots for them
Im just glad this vid not bout the lakers 😂 but love the vids ❤️but I want to touch on something at 12:05 (not saying you did swish but just in general)when people say the grizzlies are better without ja bc of the record it’s like saying the warriors are better without curry
@@LuisoArt123 read it again I never said the warriors were bad with curry I said to the people who think the grizzlies are better without ja so I was saying it’s like the warriors are better without curry
Shoot you 100%, even Draymond said Curry wasn't at his point when he can get a bucket anytime and KD gave them that in 17 and 18. Green now says Curry is at that point now. KD was 100% right in some times you need that dude to get you that bucket.
Sounds like he prefers the style of play that focuses more on his talents, increases his all star stock and legacy. Fair sentiment I suppose, albeit sellfish. Now one must first find the team that plays that system, then deal with the consequences, and blowback to follow, from the possibility of never winning a chip in that system.
No, I think he truly believes that style of basketball works. I don't think he wanted to completely forsake team basketball. He just wanted more iso. Imagine being 7 feet like him and basically having a mismatch over half the time. Im pretty sure you would think that no one can stop you. If KD was truly selfish he would have shot 25 times a game like kobe and MJ did at one point of their career. Kd has never shot over 22 shots a game. As matter of a fact I remember in his OKC days when people used to say he would disappear to often. For his level of talent I have to agree. Some of it was westbrook's fault and some of it was just KD not being aggressive enough. I think a large part of that was because KD wanted to allow his team to play. Us as viewers wanted to see KD just take over games. The only season I saw him do that was in 2014 when westbrook went down
@@Christopher._M That is my point. Forsaking team basketball is not an option as basketball is a team sport by essence. That "more iso" is precisely what my comment addressed.
He wants KD ball until it stops working, then "now its your turn to beat them". He can't see that this freezes out his teammates when they don't get the shots to stay in rhythm.
@@saabajoe There’s nothing wrong with iso ball when you have to skillset to do. When you have guys like MJ or KD on your team, you can tell all your teammates to clear out to give them space to isolate 15 feet from the basket in their mid range sweet spots. As a matter of fact, one of the major advantages to isolation ball is limiting turnovers and offensive Rebounding
You need stars to win in the playoffs, especially the later rounds. But those stars also can't be doing everything all the time. Every year we see a championship team that has a few big moments from a role player or two. This is because it truly takes a team effort. A championship team needs stars who can find ways get shots even when the defense is really tough, but also needs role players who can make plays to take pressure off those stars and prevent them from running out of steam.
KD made a mistake, joining the warriors in the first place. But instead of doubling down, he shied out and left. People could’ve said “well if KD was on another team he could’ve led them to the finals, well never know” but now we do. He took a risk for his legacy leaving GS, and he lost. Now I definitely didn’t want KD to be on the warriors, and was happy when he left. But to say KD made the right move for his legacy leaving is simply wrong.
If he was going to join then he could have at least doubled down, the fact that he left to create another "Superteam" is what only reinforces the fact that KD needs an elite with star power to win
This is essentially a video on the secret of team work. It’s part of human nature, we can be greater than the sum of our parts when we work together. The style gives involvement to everyone and creates pace and opportunity. That doesn’t have to stifle individual brilliance but Iso play is the wrong mentality.
For those who haven't put these pieces together... the Celtics swept the Nets in the first round, and now the Warriors have a chance to put a dagger through the heart of Kevin Durant, by not only winning a title after he left, but by dismantling the team that dismantled him! You can bet your ass everyone on the Warriors is talking about that, and how satisfying it is going to be to shove that dagger right through KD's cold heart!
Their system is similar in how everyone is involved but different in the 3pts department. Greg even agreed that Steph’s influence on 3 kinda mess up his perfect system.
@Bulgarian Innocent Steph does have 3 scoring titles he’s still in his prime and I’m sure when he fall off he gone play the exact same role it’s the exact same
The motion offense is effective if execution is perfect but it requires players to be very very fit throughout the year because it requires constant movement & motion. Since a team might use other offensive strategies, players need to be very very fit & healthy to keep up with the changes. Iso play is just one offensive strategy but that is why KD at 33 is a fossil, he doesn't want to adapt & forces the team to adjust to him. With GSW, players need to be able to defend great & execute great if they're given an offensive opportunity to intercept or steal or deflect the ball or get a basket or a 3-pointer
The whole being 'the man' iso hero ball is counter intuitive to a TEAM game . You have 5 players on the court at anytime, if you can utilize your team mates it's obvious you'll be successful
Most iso dominant players don't even give thier team mates a chance or pass too late in the shot clock. It undermines thier confidence and can throw out thier shooting rythmn.
@@ihuomao6735 yes...and also a role player givin too much responsibility could fumble the bag which could throw off the star players rythm. Tomato Tomahto. Talent wins. It's like people don't realize the warriors were more talented than the nuggets or mavs this year😅.
Thank you!!! For speaking on their fans!!! GS has the worst fan base next to YB and Eminem!!!! 🤣exactly why I’m praying on GS downfall I’m sorry anyone but them. 🤷🏽♂️
Lakers are worse. They'll brag about how many championships they have compared to the rest of the league. They care about championship and nothing else.
Great Content! Very insightful. This the beginning of a new era, fresh page. We are going to see stars we loved in the 2010’s become role players and new stars emerge. The moves Lebron, Steph, and Kd will make will either lengthen or shorten their career.
That clip of Kerr talking to KD sums up the entire saga, really. It's sad. No one's happier than Steph when one of his teammates is having a great night. KD isn't happy if he's asked to maybe just maybe trust his team.
Well wtf do u want KD to do. Stay with the Warriors. Like come on bro. KD left because he hated the drama surrounding the Warriors. KD left because he wanted to play with his best friend. KD left because he wanted to do what is best for him.
I think moving the ball is great but it requires a fuck load of talent. Not every team has a Wiggins and Poole who can dribble and shoot alongside 3 already great players. The Suns have Jae Crowders and Mikal Bridges along with Ayton all zeros when it comes to creating offense off the dribble.
The celtics were playing with KD's type of mentality and also the "Your turn, my turn" with Tatum and Brown, after the all star break, we played more team oriented and look at us now
I mean if you actually watched those KD Warriors teams. Teams would switch EVERYTHING. And make them go ISO. The Warriors offense now has kinda evolved.
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aint no way he said Kerr's offense only works to a certain point after winning 2 rings with them🤦♂
That certain point was winning the finals lol.
Shut up casual. Kevin Durant has accomplished more than you ever will. He won multiple rings while your ass is still at home hating. Kevin Durant will always be the GOAT.
@Meh Lmao
I thought he said the playing style was boring
KD definitely did. He's low IQ.
Yeah KD's right, motion offense only works until a certain point in the playoffs. That certain point is when you win the finals because that's when the playoffs is finished lol KD come on now you can't be serious
You had me in the first half LOL
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I guess in GS case, the point was that they played so many games compared to other teams cause they always got to the finals that they eventually got injured :/
Clearly KD doesn't like to be coached. A good king is also an excellent servant. Kd worked as the ultimate closer for gsw but they can serve the same purpose with 2 or 3 swing players and always win from attrition. KD is a child and without humbleness to be directed in life itself he will always be a lone talent.
LOL
What unlocked MJ into a big winner was buying into a system, the triangle. Yeah, that system allowed him (and Kobe) the freedom to freelance, especially at the end of games, but having a team strategy made their teams better than just their superstar alone. Basketball is a team sport.
Exactly. Not many know that MJ's numbers were actually "better" before the triangle, but he wasn't winning Chips until he bought into the system. This is one of the many reasons why Steph is so great imo. He puts up great numbers but knew early that if you have a great system, then rings is what matters over stats. Imo players like Harden, KD, Ja either don't realize it yet or would rather put up numbers than win rings
Phil Jackson literally said, “You aren’t going to be the leading scorer of the league night after night like before.” MJ brushed him off and said, “What is this? An equal opportunity offense?”
Yes MJ it was. And got you 6 rings.
@@nrgmanifest Memphis have a good system though
@@falaflani4831 Yes and no. Yes their system is a good one but unfortunately w/o Ja. It's too iso heavy w/ him. Dont get me wrong, he's a great young player but it's obvious to me(and the numbers back it up) that they are a better team w/o him. If he didn't need the ball as much I think they would def thrive with him in that system. I think Ja is shooting for that superstar status rn and accolades opposed to playing winning team ball. Lower his usage rate and they'll be dangerous.
@@nrgmanifest they are not better without him they just play differently. Ja is still young and it's up to the coach to get him to play the right way which I believe he will
I’m a KD fan but I gotta say, him thinking iso ball gonna win over motion, that’s just absurd.
I feel like Teams need the perfect balance of the two , Like Say The Last 5 minutes of a game ISOs , pnr , Post ups would be great for those
@@jiggafromstatefarm9997 which is what KD’s point was. He wasn’t saying the Warriors should abandon their principles. Heck it’s a what drew him to go there. He’s saying that certain matchups, certain times in the game you just need a bucket getter
ISO ball works, just needs your teammates to step up. If the Warriors didn't have Wiggins to guard Luka, it might have a different outcome.
He didn’t say iso hall every play . He’s letting it known that he’s the best player on the Warriors and he’s #1 option so you need to give the ball and get out his way of he can get his mid range isolations. He didn’t win 4 scoring titles on accident
He doesn’t think that he’s just finding an excuse to why he wanted to leave golden state which was to prove that he can win without curry and to prove that he’s the reason why they went to the finals and won. Neither are in his favor 😂
Another point is how passing motivates the “others” to play better defense, and get more engaged in the game. Then because no one feels left out of feels out of touch with the game they go on bigger runs and then are able to close large leads. Shaq, Kobe, mj, and all these greats always mention how they started winning championships because they trusted their teammates more.
Verified "other" here.
Nobody really wants to pick me but some wanna force bad shots over double teams while others make the extra pass for my Zaza like basic layups and encourag on defence
KD was the best player on the warriors during those years. Statistically speaking and with the eye test. Time to move on and get over it lol.
Thats why for example lebron always focused on involving his teammates. He learnt from the greats that you arent winning a chip without your team, thats what made him a winner
@@NothingElseMattersJM I don't know what your point is, But im Sure you're hating On Steph Curry and the Warriors.
KD wouldn't have Won A Ring Without Curry and His Golden State warriors.
It's cuz they got Draymond bro he always making the extra pass
That last scene with Kerr says so much. KD had no confidence in the rest of the team. And that's why he "needed" to go and isolate. He wanted to be part of a great team. He didn't want to build the culture of a winning team. And his first thought was to show out and make GSW look like the shell of a team first offense. His ego was too big for the team and that's what Draymond was letting us know. I like how when Klay and Andre were in a similar situation, they were very open about their wants and expectations, even to the media. He never cared about how his actions affected the team, just what the team could do for him and his legacy
There's a video of Draymond talking about the play that led to him yelling at KD. Dray got the rebound late and KD clapped his hands to give him the ball. Dray saw the clock running down and heard people saying to push. So, in his mind, he was going to drive hard and then pitch it back to KD for a wide open shot. When he turned his head slightly to look for him after crossing half, KD was still at the other end pouting because he didn't get the ball right away and that's when he turned it over. Then, KD had the nerve to be pissed and say something on the way to the huddle. Dray was thinking of the team. KD didn't trust him and it cost them a win
He left when then dubs weren’t fully healthy and doesn’t want to deal with that
@@BestplayerNA1 dude was also injured, and also was basically out the door before the all star game
@@BestplayerNA1 yes bc the other stars on the nets are so reliable rn right
Draymond was right when he called KD a bitch b/c KD let all the "you joined a 73 win team" nonsense punk him into leaving. Only a bitch would fcuk up the perfect situation b/c he was getting teased. Real men don't run from the smoke.
I'm a huge Nets fan, but something I've noticed about KD, is that he is extremely arrogant. All that talk about he's the best player in the world has gone to his head, and I hope this sweep would bring him down to Earth.
I mean when you get as good as kd and people everywhere telling you you’re ungaurdable it’s hard not to become arrogant
@@TextingNation Steph who is better than KD and who everyone calls unguardable isn’t arrogant...
Yeah, as a warriors fan I’m pissed at KD. He is not only arrogant off the floor but on the floor as well, dude stole 2 fmvps from steph and took highly contested shots just for the sake of stat padding. He didn’t play our system.
That's my main gripe with KD. Obviously hes amazing at basketball and his game is beautiful but hes just so cocky and arrogant. He always seems to be talking down to people and acting like hes better then regular people.
And he’s a bus rider. Without gsw Kevin durant wouldn’t be anything. He just joins and creates super teams that’s all he does.
Imagine. Imagine having Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala as you teammates, guys who either among the greatest shooters, playmakers and high iq minds of all time. And yet your coach stick has to urge you to trust them...
Wish he never joined the warriors honestly. We had to clear the bench to pay him and we're proving with wiggins any decent 2 way wing could've did the job. It's not like it was ever close with kd so someone half as good could've still gave us what we needed
@@SpeakHerMusic We were already making the finals , and winning 3 games against cavs in finals , its not like we were getting swept by them that we needed KD , KD wouldn't even come out of Conference without us. We should've just sticked to our team tbh
@@SpeakHerMusic while the warriors might have not won back to back rings revenge against Cleveland would probably feel way more cathartic without KD. It's just not as fun when you're dominating. A game 7 win id way better than a sweep as a fan
@@OK-yy6qz they fs would've still won back to back
@@SpeakHerMusic I think without KD, the Cavs would’ve won 2 and GSW won 2 times. Was so evenly matched, like a chess match really. KD just made it a bit easier and play less playoff games. I’m still grateful for the insanely entertaining offense and defense they provided those three years.
Kerr is a genius he doesn't enough respect for how great of a coach he is the haters might never give him credit but that man certainly is a winner
I feel you. He still has haters, not to the extent of when he first started tho
Bro got so bored of being a stellar coach that he started getting his players to run ring around the rosey😭😭. Best part is the shit actually works. It confuses the defence and the players get a lot of space off of it.
Exactly. Dude was surrounded with knowledge his whole career, and now he is guy you get the knowledge from. The only coaches better than him in the league right now are spo and pop, some of the greatest coaches ever.
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 and he learnt some from pop too
He been on 8 championship teams I’m sure he knows the formula
As Barkley said, KD left the splash brothers for the dribble brothers, and it didn’t out.
*“Steve Kerr’s offense only works to a certain point”*
Well I don’t recall anything not working in GS’s way when KD was there. 🤷♂️
That’s what I thought exactly. GSW built an almost losing-proof team. I mean the only thing that beat them was injuries.
It only work because the shooting of Klay Thompson and Steph Curry being threats on the team if they were not on that team that isolation would not work
Because now they’re running a completely different defense
They were like winning 70% of games without KD too, I forget the sample size but I think its from after his initial injury
Kd left OKC simply too “win a ring” he did that then he got tired of people saying his rings were fraudulent & dRaymond called him a bitch so his feelings where hurt so he left GS to go Brooklyn where he is now. They won’t win anything
Exactly, especially since the East is a bloodbath these days. And even if they do make it to the finals, which unless they trade Kyrie and somehow get Ben to play and have him be a valuable option, they still have to worry about the phenomenal teams in the west, like the Suns (yes, I still do think they have a championship window even with that disastrous performance), the Grizzlies when they fully mature, The Warriors, the Nuggets when they finally get healthy, and even other teams. And don't get me wrong, even as an OKC fan, I like KD. He definitely deserves his legacy in the league... but until he proves that he didn't need Golden State to win a ring, which is only going to get harder at this point, then he will always have an asterisk on his career.
@@mikefrost5575 🤣🤣'bloodbath' 😭 facts though
@@mikefrost5575 Remind me who got those back to back finals Mvps ? I know it wasn’t Stephen Curry.
@@NothingElseMattersJM KD wasn't gonna win a single ring until he joined Golden State.
@@mikefrost5575 ppl be talking about the east being a bloodbath...man just wait till we get healthy clippers, revenge minded suns, potentially stronger mavs, healthy nuggets, warriors with youth developing, maturing grizzlies, Timberwolves could get even better, 2022-23 has a lot of potential for an even more competitive playoffs.
Even KD's body language to Kerr when Kerr told him to trust his teammates early, tells me that KD didn't really care for what Kerr was saying to him...KD has a lot to learn and I'm glad that he's no longer in the warriors system...iso bal can only get you so far.
He was catching his breath
The absolute truth!
@@kingsoindabuildin8036 he literally walked away before Kerr was even done speaking to him. He was clearly not listening.
@@brandonb.5304 I Think Michael Jordan Would Be All Ears
Nets first game against Boston, last 15 seconds, showed perfectly the flaw in Durants thinking. Nets try to score. Durant iso. Fail. Irving iso. Fail. Then Celtics run The other way and every one of the five guys had the ball at some point during those few seconds that ended into a game winning layup.
flawless comment! That was only KD's pride talking. Pride is before a crash, in this case a sweep and a bunch of L's
That's not true, but the Nets lost because Durant wasn't concentrating on defense, and despite being in the lane lost Tatum and allowed him that game winning layup
If ISO won chips, Harden should have won one by now.
@@reginaldburgess6791 Ya it is true.
At some point, no matter how great you are, you're still human. You're going to get tired and you're going to have off nights. The beauty of Warriors basketball is that almost anyone on the floor can score, they work as a team, so if someone is off, someone else can step up, and Steph doesn't feel like he has to burn himself out trying to go get 40pts a game and the result is both Steph and the rest of the team have gas still left in the tank to finish in the 4th and close teams out in a series.
Tonite being a great example. Jimmy Butler plays all 48 minutes because they have no bench and scores how many points in the 4th quarter? Four.
KD got those finals mvps bc Curry took a back seat aint no way anyone can tell me different, especially looking at his numbers
Kd was trying to give curry the 2018 fmvp curry wanted it he didn’t take a back seat he just wasn’t the best player.
Kd averaged 35 a game in 2018 bruh like he was gonna win it regardless
Steph had 1 bad gm in 2018 Finals.
@@jonniefn6240 he averaged 28 lmao, your thinking of 2017.
How
I’m glad someone finally speaking on this. KD was talking out his ass when he left GSW and was disrespecting the system. Especially when they went out of their way to accommodate him and make it work
Even after the Boston sweep he still got into it with Chuck and called himself a basketball "GOD", legit arguing that AFTER BOSTON SWEEP on Twitter. The dude's a narcissist.
Steph even took a back seat to KD when he had been with them. I've never liked Kevin Durant - he's like the most unhappy person on the planet - but I respected his game. However, I also knew he, Kyrie & Harden would never have won a championship together. My co-workers, friends & family thought I was nuts for saying that 3yrs ago during the off season. Well, who has the last laugh now? 😃🤣😂
@@feetup7628 the dude's an unhappy nutter and, needs to get his psyche sorted!
Kevin Durant knew he would've been Criticized the rest of his career as soon as he sign thoughs papers in the 2016 off-season, unless he pulled a LeBron and return back to OKC and won a chip🤷🏾♂️ but we all know that wasn't gonna happen 😭😭😭
@Honest Russell Westbrook & Kyrie Irving Fan i agree
Not his home town huge difference.
@Honest Russell Westbrook & Kyrie Irving Fan still holds down Seattle though. Just goes to show if they never left Seattle he would’ve never left the team.
@@James9000 Cleveland isn't LeBrons home town
Those papers*
I think KD didn't listen to Kerr. Kerr said "early" and "trust" two of the point where KD missed his point. His statement pretty much prove Kerr point about going into two quarters.
This is why when ppl bring up Steph's numbers (which are great btw) there has to be a caveat or context involved because Steph has ALWAYS put up great numbers BUT was ALWAYS about the team and playing winning basketball. Yea an iso heavy player like Luka, Ja, Harden, KD MAY have better individual stats than Steph at a given time, but they arent winning rings. Steph puts up amazing numbers and STILL wins rings. He CAN put up even better numbers if he was selfish and about his stats but he isn't. He wants to win and loves getting his teammates involved....yet ppl knock him for it SMH. I mean this man took a back seat to KD, not because KD is a better player, but b/c that is how Steph is. And if you compare his numbers w/ KD's that 2nd the 3rd yr you'll quickly see that even taking a back seat to KD, Steph's numbers were damn near identical. Seriously, like identical...and again this is with Steph taking a back seat. Imagine if Steph actually wanted to lead or was concerned with putting up numbers. He obviously could have and his numbers would look even more amazing than they already are.
Even Michael Jordan couldn't win untill he started trust his teammates.
Doesn't matter how amazing you are as an individual player, this is a team game.
Exactly. AND Jordan, who is known as an egomaniacal asshole, never fails to give his teammates their proper credit. "If they speak the name Michael Jordan, they should also speak of Scottie Pippen." That's the mark of a good teammate, and a good leader. When you can put your ego aside to admit that you didn't do it all by yourself.
The first game we played Nets this year and gsw destroyed the nets was bliss
Steph got mvp chants in the nets arena when him and Durant lead the race...curry was dropping bombs from 30 feet while kd and harden could only sit and watch...bliss might've been an understatement (then came warriors suns christmas)
@@manuprasad5354 beautiful
I loved it!!!
Yes we did because the Warriors played a lot of defense on the Nets and KD see when KD was at Golden state Steph was more of he main one got double or triple team not KD now KD see how Steph feels getting pressured this year when the Celtics beat him down
Man as much as I'd like to see more of your videos I love how you sit back and do the most on your analyses and come with crazy insights that either confirm or deny basketball philosophy. KD will go down in history as a what could have been. He's great but he's gonna go out working twice as hard for half the results.
Draymond was straight forward with KD, held him accountable all the way. Unfortunately KD is sensitive and that's the real reason he left.
The More you Pass, The More you divide the energy used by each passer on offense.
Everyone feels included and keep their interest in the Game.
The High Usage, Ball Dominant Player Will Be tired at the end of the Game. And his teammates will be Cold at that moment and won't be able to Help them in the clutch.
finally someone covers this! i just had the convo saying KD must be sweating rn and its finally coming into the lime light!
He's gonna $hitting when the team that swept him gets swept (or close to it) by the team he left.
Bruh....this was one of the most informative and on point takes I've watched so far.... KEEP UP TO GOOD WORK BRUH!
That statement was arrogant and gave me clarity about KDs insecurities. He’s double talking around his intentions to always get finals MVP. Which he achieved, but The rings were so easy they couldn’t even fulfill him. Kd leaving GS(in their prime) is an indicator that he doesn’t even respect those chips…so idk why everyone does.
From everything that KD has said, it's super clear that he honestly didn't buy all the way in the same way Jordan did with the triangle offense.
It's not that KD is wrong, it's that him being in the system changed the way the system worked, and so when he felt like the system wasn't working, he then stopped it in its tracks.
Look at him now....
KD’s stupidity gave us the most unpredictable times the league has ever seen and I’m so glad for that
Something we forget about is chemistry you brought up San Antonio in 2014 and the reason why that worked was because we had our big 3 that played YEARS together so things like knowing where each other is gonna be made that system work same thing with the Warriors they have Steph Klay and Dray who’ve spent some time together to the point where it’s like all you need is two plug in guys and they’ll be a contender automatically just off of chemistry so I think chemistry is mainly what makes these offenses special
Nah durants dead wrong here. yes it may become tougher to run that offense and an iso scorers important, every form of offense becomes tougher as the defenses are usually tough-elite in the last 2 rounds and the competition is the toughest youve played all year. you cant pullup on a 72 win team with a ring already how their offense is flawed. even as KD.
73 win team btw
KD ringless without GSW
I don't think ball/player movement style plateaus in the playoffs, I think what happens is that players don't tend to buy into that system consistently enough. Iso ball is easier - if it's not your turn to try to exploit a matchup then you just stand around being ready to catch and shoot if your man leaves you open. Iso ball probably also feels better as a star player, as the constant control of the ball makes you feel more in control of the game. Most stars don't want to learn to be in the right place at the right time, they want to make their own time and place.
The best part is that KD and Kyrie left their teams for better ones and those two teams reached the finals before the nets
Which is actually crazy to think about 💀😂😂
Passing the ball keeps your opponent moving and taking out their legs so that in the 4th quarter they can’t contest Steph and Klays 3 pointers. Moving the ball is about making you think twice about double team the best players.
bro i always be gettin hyped as hell for your videos man keep up the great work
This has nothing to do with the fact that KD has 0 playoff accomplishments without Curry but I still think 2018 FMVP was a robbery as well, Steph deserved that one
did you watch game 3 all be it he played great untill then and still played great in game 4 but wouldnt say it was a robbery
@@itsstjay5359 Yeah he basically won them 3 games In a sweep yet KD won the FMVP
@@itsstjay5359 Curry outplayed KD 3 of the 4 games.
Same. Steph should really have 2 FMVPs rn. Hope the basketball gods fix this ASAP
A lot of players have 0 playoff accomplishments by that logic. Y’all can’t find any middle ground
Kevin is a "the grass is greener over there" kind of guy
😂😂😂
When KD said it, it was sort of true, bc the 3's often cool off in the 4th, guys get tight, legs get tired, etc. But Steph added that muscle to his frame, now he can attack the rim against most anyone, even elite defenders like Robert Williams. He hit the 3's early to get the lead, then closed the Celtics out with consistent 2's via getting a big switched onto him on the perimeter and then taking to the hole. It's a new aspect to his game that duplicates what KD gave GS. I know it sounds insane, but in a sense, KD would be redundant now. Not that the Dubs wouldn't be thrilled to get him back, but he'd be nowhere near as critical as he was the 3 seasons he was here, as he was the Dubs' closer then bc GS didn't have one when he joined. But Steph added yet more skills, and is now a consistent closer if the 2022 playoffs is any measure. Amazing.
Ohhh this aged like fine wine.. gsw just won the finals..
Curry and Klay will always play to win. Getting the whole team involved, giving up a good shot to get the best shot. KD is one in a million because he can create a shot out of nothing. KD isn’t 100% wrong in that, eventually you just need to abandon the motion and get a shot. Huge Warriors fan, our biggest weakness in the 2 finals prior to KD was late game, defense locking GS down, they had a hard time getting buckets. KD was the perfect fix. If they shave 20 seconds off the shot clock and get nothing. You give it to KD and he will always get off a good look.
But that’s 5-10% of the game. Steph controls every aspect of offense the other 90% of the time. The reason Gold States teammates always flourish, the reason everyone always bags on Steph for being “on a deep team” is because he is able to get his teammates better shots than they’ve ever had. Including KD
but they would have got that look way faster if kd would have played like everybody else. he standing in the corner left one defender to help with the movement. he would have got so many free buckets if he had played the system like everybody else. can you imagine kd thompson and curry moving like curry all the time some one is going to be free at some point for easy points
@@Burden82 KD was literally carrying Steph with his mid range isolation ball against the rockets in 2018 and 2019
@@NothingElseMattersJM i suggest you go back and watch those games again because you couldn't be more wrong about that.
What did his mid range iso ball do for him in this years playoffs?
what KD didn't get is that gs do play ISO at times but the point of their ISO is to get others open and force double teams... we saw this when Mavs had the lead and warriors couldn't buy a bucket, Curry started ISO playing he ate like 10-14 point of Luka alone in like 3 minutes before he started being a passer and not even attempting a shot for like 5 minutes which got them others going and got them the lead
I have observed that KD never meshed well with the style of play of GSW , so he decided to leave. During his stint with GSW, KD always isolates the play to himself. This usually slows down the pace of the team, and Curry and the rest just went along with it. Despite that slowed down pace of KD game, they still managed to win 2 rings. Well, GSW is a pretty good team before KD came along... Now KD is with the Nets. He will never win another ring because of his style of 1 on 1 play. Don't get me wrong, KD is a great player and should have adjusted himself at GSW and not the other way around.
Kevin Durant in 2016, when joining the Warriors: "I just wanna hoop!"
Kevin Durant in 2019, when leaving the Warriors. "This whole hooping and winning thing......it's not for me."
I highly dislike softass KD and goofy ass Kyrie but I have to recognize that they are the two of the best isolation players in the league.
And they got SWEPT playing that style. That goes to show you that isolation heavy, heroball centric teams don’t win anymore. If these two couldn’t even get a single game using iso style, no other team will be able to win with that style.
So KD is wrong.
It really is crazy to think about what would have happened if they never had the injuries and KD stayed with GS. Probably would have won like 6 titles in a row.
Nahh...I think he was already going to leave because he got a big head. Ego trip.
You know its a good day when swishout uploads
Durant slowly walking away from Kerr while he’s explaining team ball sums up this video. “You got what you wanted, but you lost what you had.” Was it worth it?
"That motion offense works to a certain point"
That point being an NBA championship lol
KD is talented but he's also a fickle and dumb guy. He'll always be remembered as the guy who hopped on the GS bandwagon for a few championships then he left when things got tough. Even worse, he left Steph for Clownrie Irving smh
TBH I think he'll be remembered as the guy who left the perfect team only to fail again
🌝Back to back finals mvps on Lebron’s head averaging 32.3 ppg, 9.3 rebounds , 6.3 assists, and 1.9 blocks on 54.3% FG, 45%3pt and 94%. People lie;numbers don’t. He was the best player on the warriors and proved time and time agains that Lebron cannot guard him at all lol.
@Isaac Newton - I'm not surprised you don't want to give Steph, or for that matter, the entire Warriors team, the credit they're due.
After all, you didn't want to give any credit to Leibniz, either.
Thin skinned as well.
@@NothingElseMattersJM Just curious if you think Kobe is better than Shaq?
2014 spurs were the best team ever. Yes, they might loose vs peak GSW, Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, but as a team? It was the best team performance i've ever seen. The WCF and the championship cs the Heat were beautiful.
They might “loose”? Wait… is it super-tightened to begin with? 😅
I would argue peak GSW buy that Spurs team philosophy. That Spurs team would lose on roster construction only - they both give the ball energy in a way that no other teams have truly bought into.
WARRIORS 2015 and 2016 and SPURS 2014 LITERALLY I FELL INLOVE IN BASKETBALL GLADLY STEVE KERR APPLY THE BLUE PRINT OF STYLE OF SPURA INTO THE WARRIORS
This video aged incredibly well!
Who's here after golden state won the championship lol poor kd
Kd didn't want to leave just Iso ball from OKC. He wanted to leave from westbrook.
Westbrook was a high volume shooter with not much efficiency. What made it worst was that Westbrook basically chose when to pass the ball to KD. I remember so many times in lat game situations when westbrook would ignore everyone including KD and brick a shot. Knowing dam well he had one of the best scorers of all time next to him. Not to mention for every good play Russ had you would see one equally as bad that could not be explained.
Yes, KD wanted to try out golden state but ultimately I believe it was Russ being his point guard that drove him away
There is so much sense and substance to what you just said! You are a lot better analyst than who we see and heard from ESPN and Fox. Man, you are way way better!
He left gsw because he wanted to prove he could do it without steph and what happened ? The Celtics went on and swept him and kyrie and the golden state steph defeated the Celtics in 6 games in the finals and he won finals mvp this season will forever stain kd’s legacy
Great video, definitely going to be a great series against GS. Celtics have had the same thing with the Big Al game, the Batman Williams game, Marcus smart, and then multiple times with the Jays… I’m psyched for this series may the best team win
KD had no choice to leave 1. Draymond called him a bitch and said they won without him 2. His rings will never be respected till he wins one by himself
Draymond stuff seems to be overblown by the media
True, leaving was probably his best bet legacy wise, but building another “super team” wasn’t the move. Honestly I don’t think any rings he gets (if he gets one) will be respected unless it’s in Oklahoma and if GS wins a ring this year it will be worse.
But he cant win another ring again 😅
Honestly KD’s legacy is screwed. I don’t see him winning another ring, and if he does it’ll either involve another bubble like in 2020 when everyone was injured, or joining ANOTHER superteam. The warriors already won a ring without him, and it seems like they’ll do it this year too. Remember how pissed people were at lebron for joining the heat superteam? Yeah well this was even worse.
@@carlaijahlee5006 maybe if he won with the nets his legacy would be saved, but now all I can see looking at him is how overrated he is, the only way he got to a finals is with a overstacked team
10:14 "Swarming little-ass Kyrie" LMAO ;)
I mean the reason he probably said that was because of Houston, who forced them to play iso which was in the Conference Finals.
Kd carried the warriors big time in the conference finals and 2nd round rocket series
@@NothingElseMattersJM I wouldn’t say the second round series considering they effectively won the last 2 games without him (he was injured in Game 5 when the score was nearly tied in the third quarter). Everyone including KD struggled in that Conference Finals.
Passing the ball a lot DOES work. It was how the Spurs destroyed my Heat in 2014. I remember they're passing motions clearly. Patty Mills and Danny Green splashing those 3's.
Edit: Okay at 4:30 you did bring up the Spurs.
4:34
Yea man that finals still hurts me
What got me the most in 2014 was the Games 3 and 4 in Miami. Carbon copies of each other, SAS so dominant both games were over by the 3rd quarter. Never saw a LeBron team get beat so badly so consistently that proved it was no fluke and LBJ was ready to leave town and go back to Cleveland.
@@moeball740 it was embarrassing man🤦🏾♂️, it felt like the games were over within the first 5 min, we were so flawed in 2014 I feel like if we faced anybody else besides SA we probably 3 peat
@Nav 98 - it's interesting to think how history may have been changed by SAS in 2014. Had Miami 3peated I'm not sure LBJ would have gone back to Cleveland. But the Spurs beat the Heat so convincingly LeBron knew it wasn't a fluke, the days of Miami dominating were over. Thus it was back to the Cavs for LeBron!
If Steph wins the ring this year and gets a finals MVP, he win be top 10
No doubt.
Probably but still behind KD since he was the 2nd option when they both were on the same team.
@@NothingElseMattersJM curry is an off ball player even if someone like embiid was on the team he wouldn't be the highest scorer
@@NothingElseMattersJM Curry is the option. Without Curry, the warriors offense is terrible and they don't win a lot of games. Besides, the Warriors won more games without Durant then they did with him even when he joined Golden State.
yall are living in the moment lol I see what swish was talking about when he said gsw fans are annoying let me guess pretty soon yall gonna be saying curry is better than lebron
Great video, well done!
That's so true... KD gets stuck in the mindset of "no one is as good as me" and wants to dominate.
Well yes, no ONE is as good as him, but the team playing together as a WHOLE is much better than the KD solo show.
remember, the Warriors, especially Curry, DEFERRED to KD in a lot of games, when he came to the Bay Area.
so from HIS point of view, they had to switch to iso-ball in order for him to win the game for the team.
in reality, the team could have easily stayed with the motion offense and still win. that would have just meant less buckets for KD. that’s why his stats skyrocketed during the Finals.
and having steph and klay on the team allowed him those 1v1 matchups.. he should really count his blessings
Triangle offense👌 Steve Kerr is the new Phil Jackson
The warriors winning the chip would make KD’s rings even more “meaningless”
Well 2015 already damaged KD career once he joined them for his championships and now KD rings are pointless now.
@@MikeJay-on5tt Who won finals mvps and what are KD’s finals averages ? That’s what I thought lol .
@@NothingElseMattersJM the point is if one thinks the rings were down bad and not great because of the inevitable energy, than guess what not winning now makes those final MVPs also seem useless... But all that matters is the winning however he just gonna get the karma if they win one, and they four away
I want warriors to win without KD so it would officially mean KD was "carried" by that warriors team
@@AwesomeAmity Two finals mvps later ….
KD legacy in shambles
Just like Harden,Russ,Cp3 and Kyrie Irving also.
I like how JJ’s podcast is always the source 😂
KD's getting older we have to remember that as well. It's a motion offense because that's exactly what it is, always being in motion, and just maybe that might work for younger legs, or players that are used to running around all the time, this that and another. I think what he was trying to get at was when the game comes to a critical point, where you have to either tie it up, or go for the go ahead point etc etc, then you can't be wasting too much time running around looking for the open man. If they have the lead already then they can keep on running around, and looking for an open shot, though when the lead gets either even, or they start losing, you can't be wasting time passing the ball around, looking for that perfect spot. I have no idea what it is to be in a basketball game at that level so I'm just hypothesizing for now.
I think you're right to a certain point...yes they will get older but think about it. How many guys stay on the same team their whole career? Most of them get traded so they are always fresh legs coming into the NBA. Look at GSW...Who would have thought Moody, Kuminga, would already get some playing time during the finals and actually bring value and points to the team? I just don't think age plays that big of a deal. I see Curry not shooting so much or being rotated out to preserve his body and why not when your bench is actually winning or can make a comeback without you. IMO
Steve Kerr's offense has worked to get the GSW into 6 Finals. It only stopped 2 years because of injuries. KD should know this. I think KD knows this, but KD just wants the ball...if you know what I mean... to hisself!
Career defining mistake
Or just KD career is overrated
Basically, all the truly great players can exist independently of whatever system is run for them. The system is mostly to make the role players get easier shots to ease the burden on the best players. Added bonus if a system can also generate easy shots for them
Im just glad this vid not bout the lakers 😂 but love the vids ❤️but I want to touch on something at 12:05 (not saying you did swish but just in general)when people say the grizzlies are better without ja bc of the record it’s like saying the warriors are better without curry
LMFAOOOOO
How... GSW won 15 games (only 15 games) without Curry. WTH are you talking about? Lmao
@@LuisoArt123 read it again I never said the warriors were bad with curry I said to the people who think the grizzlies are better without ja so I was saying it’s like the warriors are better without curry
Shoot you 100%, even Draymond said Curry wasn't at his point when he can get a bucket anytime and KD gave them that in 17 and 18. Green now says Curry is at that point now. KD was 100% right in some times you need that dude to get you that bucket.
Sounds like he prefers the style of play that focuses more on his talents, increases his all star stock and legacy.
Fair sentiment I suppose, albeit sellfish. Now one must first find the team that plays that system, then deal with the consequences, and blowback to follow, from the possibility of never winning a chip in that system.
No, I think he truly believes that style of basketball works. I don't think he wanted to completely forsake team basketball. He just wanted more iso.
Imagine being 7 feet like him and basically having a mismatch over half the time. Im pretty sure you would think that no one can stop you.
If KD was truly selfish he would have shot 25 times a game like kobe and MJ did at one point of their career. Kd has never shot over 22 shots a game. As matter of a fact I remember in his OKC days when people used to say he would disappear to often.
For his level of talent I have to agree. Some of it was westbrook's fault and some of it was just KD not being aggressive enough. I think a large part of that was because KD wanted to allow his team to play.
Us as viewers wanted to see KD just take over games. The only season I saw him do that was in 2014 when westbrook went down
@@Christopher._M That is my point. Forsaking team basketball is not an option as basketball is a team sport by essence. That "more iso" is precisely what my comment addressed.
He wants KD ball until it stops working, then "now its your turn to beat them".
He can't see that this freezes out his teammates when they don't get the shots to stay in rhythm.
@@saabajoe There’s nothing wrong with iso ball when you have to skillset to do. When you have guys like MJ or KD on your team, you can tell all your teammates to clear out to give them space to isolate 15 feet from the basket in their mid range sweet spots. As a matter of fact, one of the major advantages to isolation ball is limiting turnovers and offensive
Rebounding
@@NothingElseMattersJM Did not say there was. Just that there are consequences with publicly calling out for it and not succeeding with it.
You need stars to win in the playoffs, especially the later rounds. But those stars also can't be doing everything all the time. Every year we see a championship team that has a few big moments from a role player or two. This is because it truly takes a team effort. A championship team needs stars who can find ways get shots even when the defense is really tough, but also needs role players who can make plays to take pressure off those stars and prevent them from running out of steam.
Nah I don’t want y’all saying “KD made a mistake” when we didn’t want him on the Warriors in the first place.
KD made a mistake, joining the warriors in the first place. But instead of doubling down, he shied out and left. People could’ve said “well if KD was on another team he could’ve led them to the finals, well never know” but now we do. He took a risk for his legacy leaving GS, and he lost.
Now I definitely didn’t want KD to be on the warriors, and was happy when he left. But to say KD made the right move for his legacy leaving is simply wrong.
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 bro you under every comment you’re not getting paid for hating kd 😂 🤡
If he was going to join then he could have at least doubled down, the fact that he left to create another "Superteam" is what only reinforces the fact that KD needs an elite with star power to win
@@IDK-sq7ue What super team ? Kyrie barely played. Harden got injured and eventually left. Ben Simmons just had back surgery …..
@@NothingElseMattersJM you can only say that in hindsight tho
This is essentially a video on the secret of team work. It’s part of human nature, we can be greater than the sum of our parts when we work together. The style gives involvement to everyone and creates pace and opportunity. That doesn’t have to stifle individual brilliance but Iso play is the wrong mentality.
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For those who haven't put these pieces together... the Celtics swept the Nets in the first round, and now the Warriors have a chance to put a dagger through the heart of Kevin Durant, by not only winning a title after he left, but by dismantling the team that dismantled him! You can bet your ass everyone on the Warriors is talking about that, and how satisfying it is going to be to shove that dagger right through KD's cold heart!
I hate how nobody acknowledges that this is the system the Spurs always ran and got 5 rings and 6 appearances
@Bulgarian Innocent exaclty
Their system is similar in how everyone is involved but different in the 3pts department. Greg even agreed that Steph’s influence on 3 kinda mess up his perfect system.
@Bulgarian Innocent Steph does have 3 scoring titles he’s still in his prime and I’m sure when he fall off he gone play the exact same role it’s the exact same
@@JRoyal504 Steph has two scoring titles
The motion offense is effective if execution is perfect but it requires players to be very very fit throughout the year because it requires constant movement & motion. Since a team might use other offensive strategies, players need to be very very fit & healthy to keep up with the changes. Iso play is just one offensive strategy but that is why KD at 33 is a fossil, he doesn't want to adapt & forces the team to adjust to him. With GSW, players need to be able to defend great & execute great if they're given an offensive opportunity to intercept or steal or deflect the ball or get a basket or a 3-pointer
Nah heat winning tonight
“Caramelo Anthony” lmao
If this video is about KD should regret leaving Golden State then I respectfully disagree
Sounds like kwasiasem to me........ please elaborate
KD should regret it, since all he cares about is winning right? But nobody misses him.
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 but the more he wins those championships in Golden state then the more hate he gets
The whole being 'the man' iso hero ball is counter intuitive to a TEAM game . You have 5 players on the court at anytime, if you can utilize your team mates it's obvious you'll be successful
I think the actual answer is your teammates being good enough
Most iso dominant players don't even give thier team mates a chance or pass too late in the shot clock. It undermines thier confidence and can throw out thier shooting rythmn.
@@ihuomao6735 yes...and also a role player givin too much responsibility could fumble the bag which could throw off the star players rythm. Tomato Tomahto. Talent wins. It's like people don't realize the warriors were more talented than the nuggets or mavs this year😅.
Thank you!!! For speaking on their fans!!! GS has the worst fan base next to YB and Eminem!!!! 🤣exactly why I’m praying on GS downfall I’m sorry anyone but them. 🤷🏽♂️
Imagine hating a team that much lmfao
You hate teams based on their fans? Interesting
Who have they beat that was without their main guy injured. Maybe Dallas thats it.
Lakers are worse. They'll brag about how many championships they have compared to the rest of the league. They care about championship and nothing else.
Weirdo behavior
Great Content! Very insightful. This the beginning of a new era, fresh page. We are going to see stars we loved in the 2010’s become role players and new stars emerge. The moves Lebron, Steph, and Kd will make will either lengthen or shorten their career.
Durants rings are completely fake imo especially with gsw going to the finals again and if they win it man’s gonna go down as ringless imo
That clip of Kerr talking to KD sums up the entire saga, really. It's sad. No one's happier than Steph when one of his teammates is having a great night. KD isn't happy if he's asked to maybe just maybe trust his team.
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Team ball will always triumph. The playing field is leveling out. That’s why this sport is on top.
Well wtf do u want KD to do. Stay with the Warriors. Like come on bro. KD left because he hated the drama surrounding the Warriors. KD left because he wanted to play with his best friend. KD left because he wanted to do what is best for him.
Facts. Kevin Durant won multiple rings and accomplished so much as an NBA player and people still hating. Kevin Durant is the GOAT.
KD is that you?
Damn , KD got hella google accounts
@@FreshPrincex4 No he doesn’t. Kevin Durant doesn’t have any other accounts. Only haters say that. Kevin Durant is the GOAT.
who's here after the championship game of warriors? hehe
I think moving the ball is great but it requires a fuck load of talent. Not every team has a Wiggins and Poole who can dribble and shoot alongside 3 already great players. The Suns have Jae Crowders and Mikal Bridges along with Ayton all zeros when it comes to creating offense off the dribble.
The celtics were playing with KD's type of mentality and also the "Your turn, my turn" with Tatum and Brown, after the all star break, we played more team oriented and look at us now
Gotta always love the BRACKETS instrumental playing in the back ground
Basketball is a team sport at the end of the day if everyone can score the better it is for your team.
I mean if you actually watched those KD Warriors teams. Teams would switch EVERYTHING. And make them go ISO. The Warriors offense now has kinda evolved.
That was only the Rockets tbh
@@newrecruit100 you’re right. Mostly only them.
Aye put that classic broccoli in the back
Fundamentals creates dynasties