shouldnt you use the avg ship of the day? also tilting the boat displace water aboard would greatly decrease the load, at that point the krac wouldn't need to actually pull that much
Couldn't you guys figure out the actual strengh of the colossal squid and evaluate wether it could sink an actual ship? Would have made a better episode! :-/
You forgot to take into account, that the Kraken only had to tip over the boat, seawater would then fill the hull lowering its water displacement weight, making it easier for it to drag entire ships under the water..
An octopus is a notoriously smart animal, ditto for squids. Yea it would probably break the ship up or just tip it on it's side before pulling it down.
Pass The Butter Robot i was thinking that too. Taking an empty bowl and pulling it straight into water is by far harder than just tiping it and finishing the job there.
This video, while fun, misses the key way a kraken would actually pull down a ship, which is by crushing the hull like crushing a sheet of paper into a ball. The hull integrity is null, at this point, meaning that the ship is no longer so voluminous with air, and rather is a collection of broken ship pieces filling up rapidly with ocean water, such that the kraken doesn't even have to exert any effort "pulling" it down.
I am so glad you finally mentioned the breaking of the ships first, because that is what was actually said that happened. And knowing that a giant said actually does exist and that the ships of the time was made from wood and therefore could only be so big or they would fall apart from their own weight, it is very plausible that a giant squid could have been the legendary Kraken instead of the mythological beast they thought it was.
I really love how Kyle seems to be enjoying and having so much fun explaining these. And if what we know that Krakens are indeed cephalopods then they must most definitely be smart enough to know how to puncture or damage the ships to lower their bouyant force.
As a point wouldn't the force needed to drag the ship under become less the further it is dragged under due to it taking on water, or could it just be pulled to one side and be allowed to once again fill with water? Not a disagreement just something I am wondering about
Technically, it would just need to be strong enough to surpass that buoyancy at full submergence. Once you hit a negative buoyancy, you don't need to exert any more force to continue dragging downward. My only gripe with this one, in spite of my intense love for Kyle Hill (and supreme envy of his hair and ambidexterity) is that he doesn't describe how a kraken would manage to pull down a ship with tentacle strength and NOT pull itself upwards, especially with those last couple examples. What kind of strength of forces are we talking about in THAT case? It needs to pull downward with the force of more than a hundred Falcon rockets AND keep its own buoyant force at least neutral. How about an appended version of this episode to address that? Eh? Huh? Yeah?
next questions: how strong would a kraken need to be to snap a ship in half and how powerfull would a krakens beak need to be to work through the hull of a ship, for it to fill with water so it wouldn't have to pull all that hard.
The weight of the steel at either end of the ship would make it easier to break apart the middle, or perhaps capsizing the ship so it fills with water to reduce the buoyancy. Obviously ships have compartments to help reduce flooding. However, if the kraken had even a fraction of the strength required to pull a ship under water, it would easily bend, break and damage steel hulls.
Yeah I was just thinking. "They dont need to pull it underwater mearly destroy the hull enough it sinks." If we were to look at movies it would be safe to assume they only pull to quicken the destruction and kill the threat of them retaliating to prevent too much harm to it. Harder to fight it underwater.
if water gets inside the ship the volume necessary is reduced drastically, then its just a matter of comparing the density of the materials that the ship is made of to the density of the water said material is trying to displace. that is why ships sink to begin with.
or simply rolling them over to the side. @HolyFlame Dragon. as he said the mass of the water that needs to be moved out of the way is equal to the volume of the ship minus it's mass and 90% of the volume of a ship that needs to be pulled under is made of just air. if you replace the air with something heavier, the ship starts going deeper. a simple experiment is to fill the bathtub with water and try to submerge a big empty pot in it. you will see that the pot is very resistant to submersion because the air in the pot is part of the volume that needs to be moved. if you start filling the pot with water, as the pot fills up it will slowly start going down by itself
That is literally the first thing I thaught of it's not like it's going to try and keep the ship intact it's trying to destroy it so yeah smash and sink it
My issue with this one is that you dont take the air away. Lets say it is a ship with sails and everything (pirates of the caribbean style) then there are a lot of openings, and if you let water get in there then it sinks much faster than that. Same with cars btw, if you sink a car in a river and leave the windows open then it will sink a lot faster when the water reaches the windows. With the Titanic and the tanker i can get behind a bit more since most of them have air sealing doors. But in general what makes a ship float on water is the surface area with not a big amount of material. Its only a shell filled with minor other objects and air... Mainly air and the air would peace the fuck out if a kraken would pull something underwater. If we ignore that and say that the air is part of the ship then great job :)
Either way, it would have to exert a number near to the maximum force while the ship is partially submerged. There would be a point where it would be exerting force in this neighborhood, but air isn't moving out very fast yet.
Hey man, I hope you take my question. So is is possible that the Flash can escape Doctor Strange's Timeloop?? I know physics is high in this process?? @nerdist
A giant squid would have a giant beak. What if the squid poked holes in the ship before sinking it? Deflating the balloon before trying to submerge it would make the process easier.
I was wondering more about how hard it would have to squeeze to breach the haul. Once it starts flooding the ship seems like it would be much easier to pull down. Thank for all the videos :)
The lower estimates kinda make sense. In a lot of the Kraken's pop culture depictions, they actually do tend to break the ship apart, and the stories tend to occur in settings of wooden ships only, like the Earl of Pembroke and such. They've never really tried to show a Kraken sinking a modern ship. I think that would actually make for a cool action scene, to see a Kraken try and fail to sink a modern ship after tearing apart so many older, wooden ones. "The tides hath turned, beast!"
You also have to factor in if it moves down in one side, it will fill it with water. Making it more and more easy to pull down. Also the materials could be damaged, maybe even broken, having masses of water flow in. So a tough question to answer, since there are so many factors at hand. :D Also of course the size of the boat etc.
That's why he went with the "whole boat" as if water weren't flowing in to get an idea of the more rediculous idea of how strong a kraken could be. though I'm a bit annoyed he didn't do as you said, a scenario where a ship breaks and floods. because that's what most happens when people think of a kraken draging down a ship, tear it to bits then pull the biggest parts along to the sea bed.
rainynight02 he basically ends the video saying or he could just break it into pieces removing any effort needed to sink it as it would sink itself that's kind of a pretty straight forward answer to what if he broke the ship
great episode, I do have a couple questions though. 1) wouldn't the force needed to pull the ship down be negated when water is able to replace what was being dispersed by the air? 2) what about the material strength of what is being pulled down? at some point it should reach a point of catastrophic failure so it will break and be pulled down. 3) this is assuming even downward force all over a ship, what about how a Kraken would probably concentrate on a specific area to pull down on? and #4 What about the force it would need to just get it started to sink, like if the Kraken only pulled at the front or back. I cant wait for my daughter to come home so we can discuss this.
I loved the video, and this series. I learned a lot from it, and I am glad that you eventually pointed out that the kraken could simply negate the buoyancy of the ship by damaging it and flooding the vessel, which is exactly what we see happening in movies and shows that feature the kraken attacking ships of any kind. As far as the Titanic is concerned, the second the kraken started yanking on the ship, the substandard steel used in its construction would buckle and shred, which would make it a LOT easier for the oversized squid to get its people-based lunch.
This is assuming that the ship is being pulled underwater without the hull breaking or water getting in. Even assuming the kraken in strong enough to actually pull the ship under as explained, I expect the pressure would break the ship apart, mitigating the ship's capacity to displace water. Thus, a kraken wouldn't have to be strong enough to drag a ship underwater, just strong enough to cause enough damage to the hull's integrity that water enters, allowing the ship to sink... As to how strong a kraken would need to be to crack a ship open like an egg, I leave that to you, because science.
You'd also have to take into account that almost every time you see the kraken pull a ship down under, you see it first break the ship in have and then submerge it, which begs the question, how strong would the kraken have to be to do that?
Dude. Kyle, please do Cable's techno organic virus. Can something like that ever exist? Even if it can't, how would it actually work if it could? Why is Apocalypse (also infected with the virus) able to survive without detriment when Cable isn't? I NEED ANSWERS!!!!
Hey Because Science!! I've got a question that's bugged me for ages. In Xmen Apocalypse, in the awesome quicksilver scene, how does he first hear or feel the explosion and thus start saving people before the blast starts destroying things and killing people. Doesn't the shock wave travel at the same speed as sound? Therefore he couldn't have heard it or felt it before everyone in the mansion had been blown up?!?! Confusing much?
I'm disappointed. There was a missed opportunity here. "This is the Titanic. You know the Titanic. To meet it's end by Kraken, instead of crackin'..." *hands make a "cracking" motion*
Game/Film Theory used to be better than it is. It's dumbed down now, makes more mistakes during research and focuses on no-brainers, FNAF and TH-cam conspiracies... What a pity...
what really made me give up on Game/film theory was the whole for honor debacle. Matt lost ALOT of respect from ALOT of people because of that. i mean, he stated that vicking walked barechest, and at the same time that they lived in a place so cold it was impossible to plant and raise animals because they would just die of hypotermia... i mean, come on, doesnt need to be a genius to realize he was pulling that one out of his ass. but the true worst part was when he said his video was validaded by his research, even when ALOT of youtubers corrected him on that.
I'm Matt! You're welcome for watching! I loved the episode, I wish though that you had included some data on real life cephalopods for comparison. Great stuff, keep up the good work.
About 15 divers in Norway have encountered big seethrough balls of gell in the ocean, and many scientists only explanation is a giant squid layed them, and they later got carried closer to the shore. Maybe the kraken isnt as mythical as we think... bam bam baaaaaaaam! (ok, i know they are not quite as big but i tried my best making it dramatic XD. It is really cool though) p.s. Are you going to shave for the new thor movie?
QUESTION! possibly the first time I have something to add when it comes to these things. that would be the INITIAL force needed to make the ship sink under water... but once the water starts filling the ship wouldn't those numbers change and it become easier to pull the ship under? (not to mention whatever damage the ship would take AS the ship is being pulled down)
i think the point of leaving the ships intact was displayed with the first example. he was pointing out that even without breaking the ship, dragging down old world wooden ships would be a very achievable feat for the Kraken.
Kyle, can you do a video on your current studio setup? So we can see the glass wall. There is no glare at all, and I’m curious as to how you’ve managed such a great setup!
I was gonna say that the Kraken doesn't always have to just pull down the ship cause what I was thinking was that it wasn't technically the strongest mythological creature but maybe the smartest instead as in Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Man's Chest, the Karen was seen to use every attribute it had to take down massive ships despite its whale size such as slowly destroying the larger ships and breaking them from the inside out as well as using its two massive tentacles to smash the middle of the ships to let water pour in evenly to drown the ships so basically the Kraken just uses science to sink the ship for it. Also, I love your videos and they're really entertaining despite me not being good at math lol Keep up the good work and doing what you love!
One thing you're not considering is the beach ball is completely enclosed and boyant exclusively by air. A boat however only needs a small portion of it to be submerged, it then fills with water and loses all of it's boyancy. So even if a ship is too massive for a Kraken to be able to pull it under water, all it really needs to do is pull under one end of the ship, or turn the ship over on its side, or rip a sizeable enough hole into the hull... thus filling the ship with water, negating any collosal boyancy the ship may have and easily dragging it under.
7:28 i know right? also that would explain why in Pirates of the Carribean 2 the Kraken pulled the small ship immediately but had to break the bigger ships apart. and i thought that was just because of movie coolness
Kyle, it is easier to pull a floating object under if the buoyancy of the water is displaced through bubbles. An example would be the methane gas theory of the Bermuda triangle. If the Kraken's "ink" could heat up the water to a significant degree, it would be able to sink ships without much effort.
The thing is, in film, the 'Kraken' is usually shown braking apart the ship and letting water seep into the inside. Thus making the vessel lose a considerable amount of buoyancy. Before the 'Kraken' pulls the remains of the ship down into the ocean. In conclusion, the 'Kraken' can pull down a large naval vessel, but probably, only when the ship is broken down into manageable chunks.
So speaking of breaking a ship apart to counter act the buoyancy.. how much force would it take for it to either bend/break OR pull the timbers fibers apart (i.e rip) the ship apart, not including strcutual weaknesses like nails, joints, etc?
Why a straight pull? Squeezing the hull, causing leaks (and flooding) or just rotating/rolling the ship to the point where water can either enter the gunports or it begins to flow over the deck. And, considering how relatively top heavy sailing ships are or, in the case of Viking longboats, how low the gunwales are, you can submerge a boat much easier than a straight up pull
Not really, a Kraken is mithological and imposibly huge. Colossal Squids don't get big enough. They're also imagined as monstruous octopuss-like creatures, not squid like. It's like saying "Dragons are real though. It's just Komodo Dragons". Not really real, just close enough to fascinate us.
Robin Gilliver omfg im gunna did this dude just call ME retarded?? if you mean colossal squids exist the yeah youre right but if you think some 300ft octosquid is in the ocean somewhere, then yeah youre fuckin wrong
Robin Gilliver Lol I love how to you, if someone doesn't think a kraken of all things is real they're automatically pegged as "infinitely stupid". You fucking mongoloid.
The tonnage gross formula is G.T=V.K right,as the K is "multiplier based on ship volumes" and why when you calculate the kraken force you replace K with p.g (Density water) multiple with gravition
as you said, octopodes are very intelligent. They wouldnt just drag the ship down. To sink the ship you would crush it with the arms similar to the way constrictor snakes kill their prey. The ship would then fill with water (aka Titanic) and then it is easy to sink. That is also the way, it is handled in most media, such as pirates of the carribean
This assumes that the kraken is just straight up pulling the ship underwater; most depictions involve the kraken damaging the ships, presumably letting water in, lowering the buoyancy of the ship itself and making it much easier to drag beneath the waves to Davy Jones' Locker. To bring it back to the beach ball comparison, one could just stab through the ball, making it a simple task to drag the deflated ball underneath the water.
that breaking of the ship is what I was thinking about the whole video. in my experience: where there's a Kraken, there're pirates. the cannonade of said fictional battles would cause the ship to seriously weakened if not heavily damaged. by the time the Kraken shows up, the ship is taking on more than a little water. putting that aside, I am kind of curious about something. in order to pull that amount of force without losing grip, those tentacles would have to wrap around the ship with immense force. my question is: with how much force would the tentacles have to constrict to crush a ship to allow water to fill said ship?
My first thought was also the ship breaking which the main force needed is the sheer force of the material. But with that in mind he didn't mention it because the point is showing the strength of the creature. I am positive he know the that much force would be beyond the sheer force of even the most current ships.
While your example with the ball shows the basic concept of buoyancy, it doesn't account for holes like a ship would have (I.e. doors, windows, etc), which -- once the water gets into it -- will make the ship easier to sink. Also, while it was _super_ hard to _completely_ submerge that beach ball, it wasn't _as_ hard to get it a bit over 50% through, and while you never punctured the beach ball, the Kraken would be exerting enough force to make the boat materials buckle under the pressure, thus adding more holes, and making it _Way_ easier to sink the ships.
No, you're not the only one. Some people believe because they are delusional. (as in hallucinations and whatnot) Others believe because they feel the little evidence for said creatures is enough. Others want to believe or hold hope that certain creatures do in fact exist but can't definitively say they believe they do because of the current lack of substantial evidence. I used to really believe in bigfoot but as I've gotten older and learned more, I'm leaning towards the "I'd like it if it did, but I highly doubt it does." side of things. On the other hand, I've gone from thinking a megalodon being alive is absolute fiction to "Well, from the information available, it could be true." But then it also depends on what you consider to be "mythical." To some people a unicorn and a dragon and bigfoot are all absolute fiction. To others unicorn and dragon is fiction yet bigfoot is a genuine possibility as far as they're concerned.
Just based on the shear amount of force required to drag the ships down _whole_ , it would be more plausible to assume that the ships in question weren't made from a material that could withstand that sort of force, would instead break apart under the Kraken hold, and therefore quickly sink with much less force required.
You need the displacement of the ship to the gunwale. That is where the water goes under. If the gunwale is 10m above the waterline, you have to pull another 10m worth of water beyond the weight of the ship before it sinks.
But Kyle, usually in movies when see this happen, the kraken destroys the boat/ship first. It usually breaks them up into smaller pieces of ship, where water could leak into the ship making the kraken not have to displace nearly as much water with air. Therefore the kraken should not have to work nearly as hard.
I'd like to note that a kraken would only have to exert that amount of force for a short period. After the ship is submerged, it will start to fill with water, meaning less buoyancy. So it would be a bit different from pushing a beach ball under water and more like pushing a (very very) large cup under water -- Hard at first, then much easier.
However, with old galleon type ships, once you pull the ship down enough for the water to start pouring in through the gun ports, it would begin to fill with water, making the entire ship easier to pull even further below the surface.
the only thing I want to know is if they took into consideration that man o' wars and other ships from that era had cannon ports. that means those types of ship would only need to be pulled down half way before they started to take water. once it starts to take on water the amount of force it takes to pull down would be greatly reduced. that means the size and power of the kraken would be around half of what Kyle said.
You're missing a key point about the Kraken, it doesn't pull things to the depths it crushes them and lets the tasty bits sink. Tentacles aren't designed to pull things, they are designed to rip them open so the centrally located mouth can then devour the insides. Another issue you didn't address which I thought would be more important would be the size of the Kraken, should it decide to pull down a ship, to remain submerged while doing exerting that sort of force. Jet propulsion from that large of a beast would tear through wooden hulls without needing to crush it with the tentacles.
Had an idea for a future episode along the lines of telekinesis and wether it could be performed using signals that the brain can emit or some other form of wavelength As a side note a kraken whilst trying to sink a ship would cause stress on the ship it's trying to sink hence they brake apart
We all know these scenes where someone spins a rod or a stone tied to a rope so fast in front of him/herself that it can block waterstreams or something like that. So my question is: how fast do you need to spin a rod to block a waterstream coming from the firefighters for example?
We often see that a kraken curls his tentacles around the ship with a crushing force, breaking it apart and then pulling it down. Won`t the gross tonnage of the ship be halfed when the ship breaks? Also, when the ship breaks, it would gradually be filled with water, then would it be easier for the Kraken to pull it down?
In the movie Passengers, when he is thrown out the tube and his tether breaks, he spins and used the door to push himself the opposite direction. Is there a way to figure how much mass he'd need to throw away? It doesn't seem possible.
it seems like the kraken must use the unsupported mass of its tentacles to pull to ship low in the water before breaking the hull with its beak or just crush it. either way it will need to breach the hull or sides of the ship to flood the decks and increase the weight of the ship, making it easier to drag down.
The Edmund Fitzgerald was a giant lake ore carrier, displacing 8600 tons. It went down in less than a minute during a massive storm on Lake Superior, vanishing between sweeps of the radar of a following ship. Theories are that the ship went up on a massive swell and the ship's own engines drove it straight into the bottom of the lake, breaking its keel. Basically instead of cutting through the surface of the water it suddenly was diving down into the water like a torpedo. Couldn't a kraken grab just the bow of a ship and pull down on that, and once the deck became awash and the underdecks started flooding the ship would begin sinking itself. The kraken wouldn't be fighting against the entire ships displacement that way, only part of it, thus making its job of sinking a ship a whole lot easier.
What about if the Kraken was to pull on one section of the ship, and dip it into the water? By dipping it the water helps the ship go under water. Or by punching a hole in the hull, water floods in and water helps pull the boat.
The kraken doesn't need to be as strong as you say in this video. It only needs to be strong enough to crush the hull of a boat. Once the hull is breached, be it a relatively small hole or a whole section of hull collapsing, water flows into the ship and the force needed to pull it reduces until it sinks even if nothing is trying to pull it down.
You should do Borg Cube Vs Death Star. Could the cube withstand the Death Star laser? Could the Borg Cube adapt fast enough or generate the power to stop it
But this calculation only works if the Ship remains undamaged during the process, right? regarding the damage the ship would suffer from punctual pressure applied by the tentacles, the entering water would make it a lot easier for Kraken to pull the ship under the surface, it would just take some time. (sorry for bad english, not a native speaker)
What about the cannon ports on those older ships? Wouldn't it just have to pull hard enough to get the ship to start taking on water? And what about it pulling on only one side to capsize the ship? Also, didn't account for the tensile strength of the materials. At what point would structural failure factor in? Another good video though!
I'm surprised you didn't mention an alternative way for a Kraken to pull a ship under, still intact. You went with the direct, pulling under at a 90 degree angle. As ships tend to be hollow, if you can fill them with water instead of air, I imagine that the math changes a bit. Easiest way would be to partially capsize the ship via port or starboard, as trying to pull either the bow or stern would force more of the ship out of the water. Though it would be at an angle should the kraken try the bow or stern, if you can get water to begin flowing in, and keep it flowing in, the buoyancy forces would initially decrease at a slow rate, but as more water flows in, the faster this force decreases until there is so much water that the ship sinks with ease. (I have some personal experience with this in regards to pool and bath toys in the shape of boats and ships from when I was a kid 20-27 years ago. Also, Adam and Jamie from the original Mythbusters have experience with this on several occasions with a few myths involving the need for a resinkable ship. Ping Pong Rescue and Titantic Drag come to mind for me.) So the kraken would only need to partially drag the ship in via the bow, stern, port or starboard. Hold the ship long enough for the water to flow in, increase the ship's weight as water replaces air(Air is less dense than water), and before you realize it, the ship is dragged under. Alternatively, and this stretches the definition of intact, the kraken can just puncture holes in the ship. So long as no material is lost, and you could patch the hole by folding the material back and welding them back together(we're looking at metal ships here), it would technically still be considered intact. Popping rivets would do the same, but then you lose the rivets, and then the ship is no longer what would be considered intact. Wooden ships though, there's no way they would be intact. You lose material by punching holes in wood. In the case of the kraken, it would either be by biting or using the claws in the less cephalopody versions.
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shouldnt you use the avg ship of the day? also tilting the boat displace water aboard would greatly decrease the load, at that point the krac wouldn't need to actually pull that much
Oh my god that pool scene was hilarious
Nerdist please do an episode on how rick would turn into a pickle
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Couldn't you guys figure out the actual strengh of the colossal squid and evaluate wether it could sink an actual ship? Would have made a better episode! :-/
SOoooo, how many satellites could a kraken launch in one throw with one tentacle?
You forgot to take into account, that the Kraken only had to tip over the boat, seawater would then fill the hull lowering its water displacement weight, making it easier for it to drag entire ships under the water..
An octopus is a notoriously smart animal, ditto for squids. Yea it would probably break the ship up or just tip it on it's side before pulling it down.
Pass The Butter Robot i was thinking that too. Taking an empty bowl and pulling it straight into water is by far harder than just tiping it and finishing the job there.
This video, while fun, misses the key way a kraken would actually pull down a ship, which is by crushing the hull like crushing a sheet of paper into a ball. The hull integrity is null, at this point, meaning that the ship is no longer so voluminous with air, and rather is a collection of broken ship pieces filling up rapidly with ocean water, such that the kraken doesn't even have to exert any effort "pulling" it down.
Atticus I was thinking the exact same thing haha
Exactly
I was abt to type that but ....U made it first
Atticus The video literally acknowledges it. Twice
Atticus would take a significant amount of force to crush the hull of a ship however
7:37 I've seen enough tentacle Hentai to know where this is going
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I am so glad you finally mentioned the breaking of the ships first, because that is what was actually said that happened. And knowing that a giant said actually does exist and that the ships of the time was made from wood and therefore could only be so big or they would fall apart from their own weight, it is very plausible that a giant squid could have been the legendary Kraken instead of the mythological beast they thought it was.
I really love how Kyle seems to be enjoying and having so much fun explaining these. And if what we know that Krakens are indeed cephalopods then they must most definitely be smart enough to know how to puncture or damage the ships to lower their bouyant force.
As a point wouldn't the force needed to drag the ship under become less the further it is dragged under due to it taking on water, or could it just be pulled to one side and be allowed to once again fill with water? Not a disagreement just something I am wondering about
thedarkraitype what I was thinking.
Breaking strength of the timber or even the steel used on the Titanic is surely less than the force needed to drag the ship down whole as well.
Technically, it would just need to be strong enough to surpass that buoyancy at full submergence. Once you hit a negative buoyancy, you don't need to exert any more force to continue dragging downward.
My only gripe with this one, in spite of my intense love for Kyle Hill (and supreme envy of his hair and ambidexterity) is that he doesn't describe how a kraken would manage to pull down a ship with tentacle strength and NOT pull itself upwards, especially with those last couple examples. What kind of strength of forces are we talking about in THAT case? It needs to pull downward with the force of more than a hundred Falcon rockets AND keep its own buoyant force at least neutral.
How about an appended version of this episode to address that? Eh? Huh? Yeah?
Sean Jacoby gripping on to the sea bed?
Then we need to know the force to roll the boat onto its side and then the buoyant force of the wood, cargo and air that's still trapped inside.
next questions: how strong would a kraken need to be to snap a ship in half and how powerfull would a krakens beak need to be to work through the hull of a ship, for it to fill with water so it wouldn't have to pull all that hard.
Snapping a ship in half wouldn't be much of a problem because it doesn't apply to buoyant force since the ship is floating above the water.
The weight of the steel at either end of the ship would make it easier to break apart the middle, or perhaps capsizing the ship so it fills with water to reduce the buoyancy. Obviously ships have compartments to help reduce flooding. However, if the kraken had even a fraction of the strength required to pull a ship under water, it would easily bend, break and damage steel hulls.
Usaly they are also snap the center of the ship
Drew Walling Kyle addresses that about three quarters through the video. I was thinking the same until he did though haha
Yeah I was just thinking. "They dont need to pull it underwater mearly destroy the hull enough it sinks." If we were to look at movies it would be safe to assume they only pull to quicken the destruction and kill the threat of them retaliating to prevent too much harm to it. Harder to fight it underwater.
BRUH, in pop culture, the Kraken WAS often depicted as breaking the ships into pieces in order to sink them faster.
Hanif Huzairi Yes but it is still pulling the same volumes under.
if water gets inside the ship the volume necessary is reduced drastically, then its just a matter of comparing the density of the materials that the ship is made of to the density of the water said material is trying to displace. that is why ships sink to begin with.
or simply rolling them over to the side.
@HolyFlame Dragon. as he said the mass of the water that needs to be moved out of the way is equal to the volume of the ship minus it's mass and 90% of the volume of a ship that needs to be pulled under is made of just air. if you replace the air with something heavier, the ship starts going deeper.
a simple experiment is to fill the bathtub with water and try to submerge a big empty pot in it. you will see that the pot is very resistant to submersion because the air in the pot is part of the volume that needs to be moved. if you start filling the pot with water, as the pot fills up it will slowly start going down by itself
That's what I was thinkng
That is literally the first thing I thaught of it's not like it's going to try and keep the ship intact it's trying to destroy it so yeah smash and sink it
My issue with this one is that you dont take the air away. Lets say it is a ship with sails and everything (pirates of the caribbean style) then there are a lot of openings, and if you let water get in there then it sinks much faster than that. Same with cars btw, if you sink a car in a river and leave the windows open then it will sink a lot faster when the water reaches the windows. With the Titanic and the tanker i can get behind a bit more since most of them have air sealing doors. But in general what makes a ship float on water is the surface area with not a big amount of material. Its only a shell filled with minor other objects and air... Mainly air and the air would peace the fuck out if a kraken would pull something underwater. If we ignore that and say that the air is part of the ship then great job :)
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, but I would assume this answers the most force it would take the ship down intact
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Either way, it would have to exert a number near to the maximum force while the ship is partially submerged. There would be a point where it would be exerting force in this neighborhood, but air isn't moving out very fast yet.
Hey man, I hope you take my question. So is is possible that the Flash can escape Doctor Strange's Timeloop?? I know physics is high in this process?? @nerdist
@The Timster
Yes, The Flash can escape a timeloop by travelling in time. It will however leave a time remnant inside the loop.
A giant squid would have a giant beak. What if the squid poked holes in the ship before sinking it? Deflating the balloon before trying to submerge it would make the process easier.
Apophis poke! Poke!
I was wondering more about how hard it would have to squeeze to breach the haul. Once it starts flooding the ship seems like it would be much easier to pull down. Thank for all the videos :)
Titanic with tentacles? Go on... I'm listening...
Guy from the Internet Take away the "anic" from Titanic and then add an "s" to it. Now you have something *a lot* more interesting..
Gamerman 375 **gets my monocle** Ah yes, the plot. That is indeed extraordinarily classy. Indeed, sir.
titanic being sunk by Kraken? I would watch that movie.
Tentacle monsters on a ship? Watch "Deep Rising" then.
Aka, Titstanic
The lower estimates kinda make sense. In a lot of the Kraken's pop culture depictions, they actually do tend to break the ship apart, and the stories tend to occur in settings of wooden ships only, like the Earl of Pembroke and such. They've never really tried to show a Kraken sinking a modern ship.
I think that would actually make for a cool action scene, to see a Kraken try and fail to sink a modern ship after tearing apart so many older, wooden ones. "The tides hath turned, beast!"
You also have to factor in if it moves down in one side, it will fill it with water. Making it more and more easy to pull down. Also the materials could be damaged, maybe even broken, having masses of water flow in. So a tough question to answer, since there are so many factors at hand. :D Also of course the size of the boat etc.
That's why he went with the "whole boat" as if water weren't flowing in to get an idea of the more rediculous idea of how strong a kraken could be.
though I'm a bit annoyed he didn't do as you said, a scenario where a ship breaks and floods. because that's what most happens when people think of a kraken draging down a ship, tear it to bits then pull the biggest parts along to the sea bed.
rainynight02 he basically ends the video saying or he could just break it into pieces removing any effort needed to sink it as it would sink itself that's kind of a pretty straight forward answer to what if he broke the ship
great episode, I do have a couple questions though. 1) wouldn't the force needed to pull the ship down be negated when water is able to replace what was being dispersed by the air? 2) what about the material strength of what is being pulled down? at some point it should reach a point of catastrophic failure so it will break and be pulled down. 3) this is assuming even downward force all over a ship, what about how a Kraken would probably concentrate on a specific area to pull down on? and #4 What about the force it would need to just get it started to sink, like if the Kraken only pulled at the front or back. I cant wait for my daughter to come home so we can discuss this.
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I loved the video, and this series. I learned a lot from it, and I am glad that you eventually pointed out that the kraken could simply negate the buoyancy of the ship by damaging it and flooding the vessel, which is exactly what we see happening in movies and shows that feature the kraken attacking ships of any kind.
As far as the Titanic is concerned, the second the kraken started yanking on the ship, the substandard steel used in its construction would buckle and shred, which would make it a LOT easier for the oversized squid to get its people-based lunch.
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I've watched too much hentai to know where this is going.
Kyle says "Not yet" * O *
*( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)*
**wink wink nudge nudge**
Was looking for this :)
I was expecting this comment, Thank you, good Sir/Madam.
as always... an entertaining yet informative video ! I LOVE Because Science !!
This is assuming that the ship is being pulled underwater without the hull breaking or water getting in. Even assuming the kraken in strong enough to actually pull the ship under as explained, I expect the pressure would break the ship apart, mitigating the ship's capacity to displace water. Thus, a kraken wouldn't have to be strong enough to drag a ship underwater, just strong enough to cause enough damage to the hull's integrity that water enters, allowing the ship to sink... As to how strong a kraken would need to be to crack a ship open like an egg, I leave that to you, because science.
You'd also have to take into account that almost every time you see the kraken pull a ship down under, you see it first break the ship in have and then submerge it, which begs the question, how strong would the kraken have to be to do that?
Dude. Kyle, please do Cable's techno organic virus. Can something like that ever exist? Even if it can't, how would it actually work if it could? Why is Apocalypse (also infected with the virus) able to survive without detriment when Cable isn't? I NEED ANSWERS!!!!
And yes, I'm liking my own comment. You should all like it too.
Hey Because Science!! I've got a question that's bugged me for ages.
In Xmen Apocalypse, in the awesome quicksilver scene, how does he first hear or feel the explosion and thus start saving people before the blast starts destroying things and killing people. Doesn't the shock wave travel at the same speed as sound? Therefore he couldn't have heard it or felt it before everyone in the mansion had been blown up?!?!
Confusing much?
I'm disappointed. There was a missed opportunity here. "This is the Titanic. You know the Titanic. To meet it's end by Kraken, instead of crackin'..." *hands make a "cracking" motion*
I love watching these videos. Makes science fun.
Hey. want to sculpt Kraken on my channel! can you suggest versions of it?
One in Clash of the titans!
Spare time G the hand kraken
Definitely the Clash of the Titans version
Thank you very much! Looks like The clash of the titan one it is! coming up for next Sunday!
That's what google is for.
I always just assumed the kraken snapped the ship in half, which is an incredible enough feat.
This show is better than Game/Film Theory. By far.
Matt is cancer
John Apple Why do you hate him? I mean I don't like the guy or the show but I wouldn't say that he is cancer.
Game/Film Theory used to be better than it is. It's dumbed down now, makes more mistakes during research and focuses on no-brainers, FNAF and TH-cam conspiracies...
What a pity...
what really made me give up on Game/film theory was the whole for honor debacle. Matt lost ALOT of respect from ALOT of people because of that.
i mean, he stated that vicking walked barechest, and at the same time that they lived in a place so cold it was impossible to plant and raise animals because they would just die of hypotermia... i mean, come on, doesnt need to be a genius to realize he was pulling that one out of his ass.
but the true worst part was when he said his video was validaded by his research, even when ALOT of youtubers corrected him on that.
I wouldn't say it's better just different
I'm Matt! You're welcome for watching! I loved the episode, I wish though that you had included some data on real life cephalopods for comparison. Great stuff, keep up the good work.
About 15 divers in Norway have encountered big seethrough balls of gell in the ocean, and many scientists only explanation is a giant squid layed them, and they later got carried closer to the shore. Maybe the kraken isnt as mythical as we think... bam bam baaaaaaaam! (ok, i know they are not quite as big but i tried my best making it dramatic XD. It is really cool though)
p.s. Are you going to shave for the new thor movie?
here is the article: steemit.com/nature/@fredrikaa/massive-and-mysterious-giant-squid-egg-found-at-norwegian-shores-for-the-first-time
I'm sorry but. Explanation*
Cricket101382 😢
Actually huge squids could very well exist, they probably just dont come up from the deep much.
Given we've only caught a live giant squid on camera once total size is hardly nailed down. Zero live recorded incidences of colossal squid.
QUESTION! possibly the first time I have something to add when it comes to these things. that would be the INITIAL force needed to make the ship sink under water... but once the water starts filling the ship wouldn't those numbers change and it become easier to pull the ship under? (not to mention whatever damage the ship would take AS the ship is being pulled down)
Kyle: water displacement and movement
Europeans 11th century: wood with sail float
i think the point of leaving the ships intact was displayed with the first example. he was pointing out that even without breaking the ship, dragging down old world wooden ships would be a very achievable feat for the Kraken.
Nice as usual kyle👍🏽
Thank you JJ! -- KH
I swear you I thought you said *”nice ass uncle Kyle”*
So happy you mentioned MTG, it's like literally the first thing I thought of after seeing the title.
I'm going to create an alcohol company called "Responsibly" for all the free advertisement.
1:55 That hooligan laughter hahahahah
"Strong tenties" -Kyle 2017
well played to Kraken and Kyle ;) classy promo and good fun
This is why a lot of movies with "Krakens" break up a ship or roll it over on its side to capsize it first.
Kyle, can you do a video on your current studio setup? So we can see the glass wall. There is no glare at all, and I’m curious as to how you’ve managed such a great setup!
But is he a squid or a kid?
Game Theory says "squid."
I was gonna say that the Kraken doesn't always have to just pull down the ship cause what I was thinking was that it wasn't technically the strongest mythological creature but maybe the smartest instead as in Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Man's Chest, the Karen was seen to use every attribute it had to take down massive ships despite its whale size such as slowly destroying the larger ships and breaking them from the inside out as well as using its two massive tentacles to smash the middle of the ships to let water pour in evenly to drown the ships so basically the Kraken just uses science to sink the ship for it. Also, I love your videos and they're really entertaining despite me not being good at math lol Keep up the good work and doing what you love!
really strong
6:00 - I thought the Titanic *did* meet its end by crackin'.
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GET IT?
OK, I'll see myself out.
Does deadpool die in lava ???
So glad you finally mentioned breaking the ship, it was bugging the hell out of me. XD
The kraken usually brakes the ship in half
One thing you're not considering is the beach ball is completely enclosed and boyant exclusively by air. A boat however only needs a small portion of it to be submerged, it then fills with water and loses all of it's boyancy. So even if a ship is too massive for a Kraken to be able to pull it under water, all it really needs to do is pull under one end of the ship, or turn the ship over on its side, or rip a sizeable enough hole into the hull... thus filling the ship with water, negating any collosal boyancy the ship may have and easily dragging it under.
7:28 i know right? also that would explain why in Pirates of the Carribean 2 the Kraken pulled the small ship immediately but had to break the bigger ships apart. and i thought that was just because of movie coolness
Kyle, it is easier to pull a floating object under if the buoyancy of the water is displaced through bubbles. An example would be the methane gas theory of the Bermuda triangle. If the Kraken's "ink" could heat up the water to a significant degree, it would be able to sink ships without much effort.
Is it bad that I misread the title as Mythical Karen?
yes
Depends. Do you know anyone named Karen?
Thesaurus Rex My mum
Then yes, it's bad.
Addy 0302 Regiswitch?
The thing is, in film, the 'Kraken' is usually shown braking apart the ship and letting water seep into the inside. Thus making the vessel lose a considerable amount of buoyancy. Before the 'Kraken' pulls the remains of the ship down into the ocean. In conclusion, the 'Kraken' can pull down a large naval vessel, but probably, only when the ship is broken down into manageable chunks.
pfft.. hulk still stronger -.-
also, butt chug responsibly
Yes, please butt chug responsibly -- KH
So speaking of breaking a ship apart to counter act the buoyancy.. how much force would it take for it to either bend/break OR pull the timbers fibers apart (i.e rip) the ship apart, not including strcutual weaknesses like nails, joints, etc?
The version of the krakken I'm most familiar with is the one from Ben 10 which actually looks nothing like a squid
a timelords reveiws same fam.
Why a straight pull? Squeezing the hull, causing leaks (and flooding) or just rotating/rolling the ship to the point where water can either enter the gunports or it begins to flow over the deck. And, considering how relatively top heavy sailing ships are or, in the case of Viking longboats, how low the gunwales are, you can submerge a boat much easier than a straight up pull
The Kraken is real though. It is just the Colossal Squid.
Not really, a Kraken is mithological and imposibly huge. Colossal Squids don't get big enough. They're also imagined as monstruous octopuss-like creatures, not squid like. It's like saying "Dragons are real though. It's just Komodo Dragons". Not really real, just close enough to fascinate us.
Robin Gilliver lol NO... they dont.
Robin Gilliver omfg im gunna did this dude just call ME retarded?? if you mean colossal squids exist the yeah youre right but if you think some 300ft octosquid is in the ocean somewhere, then yeah youre fuckin wrong
Robin Gillive Okay well that adds to the fact that im right. I cant believe youd actually get offended that id say that hahaha. So sensitive
Robin Gilliver Lol I love how to you, if someone doesn't think a kraken of all things is real they're automatically pegged as "infinitely stupid". You fucking mongoloid.
The tonnage gross formula is G.T=V.K right,as the K is "multiplier based on ship volumes" and why when you calculate the kraken force you replace K with p.g (Density water) multiple with gravition
Im kinda confuse in that part,please Kyle or someone else enlighten me
6:55 Sorry Kyle, but ah....you pissed of the great old one Cthulhu. The kraken is nothing compared to our lord and destroyer.
CTHULHU FHTAGN
as you said, octopodes are very intelligent. They wouldnt just drag the ship down. To sink the ship you would crush it with the arms similar to the way constrictor snakes kill their prey. The ship would then fill with water (aka Titanic) and then it is easy to sink.
That is also the way, it is handled in most media, such as pirates of the carribean
Damn, I thought the title said mythical “Karen”
This assumes that the kraken is just straight up pulling the ship underwater; most depictions involve the kraken damaging the ships, presumably letting water in, lowering the buoyancy of the ship itself and making it much easier to drag beneath the waves to Davy Jones' Locker. To bring it back to the beach ball comparison, one could just stab through the ball, making it a simple task to drag the deflated ball underneath the water.
Plz do the biology of shin godzilla
[ Madman ] you sir, are the best comment.
I hope he sees your comment and does a vid on Shin Godzilla
that breaking of the ship is what I was thinking about the whole video. in my experience: where there's a Kraken, there're pirates. the cannonade of said fictional battles would cause the ship to seriously weakened if not heavily damaged. by the time the Kraken shows up, the ship is taking on more than a little water.
putting that aside, I am kind of curious about something. in order to pull that amount of force without losing grip, those tentacles would have to wrap around the ship with immense force. my question is: with how much force would the tentacles have to constrict to crush a ship to allow water to fill said ship?
Stop talking about mythical kraken, do something about the kraken in KSP.
My first thought was also the ship breaking which the main force needed is the sheer force of the material. But with that in mind he didn't mention it because the point is showing the strength of the creature. I am positive he know the that much force would be beyond the sheer force of even the most current ships.
I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going.
Oh, Matron, please... ;)
While your example with the ball shows the basic concept of buoyancy, it doesn't account for holes like a ship would have (I.e. doors, windows, etc), which -- once the water gets into it -- will make the ship easier to sink. Also, while it was _super_ hard to _completely_ submerge that beach ball, it wasn't _as_ hard to get it a bit over 50% through, and while you never punctured the beach ball, the Kraken would be exerting enough force to make the boat materials buckle under the pressure, thus adding more holes, and making it _Way_ easier to sink the ships.
Am I the only one who believes some mythical creatures exist?
Considering I went to school with a bunch of people who worshiped a 2000 year old zombie, I'd say probably not.
You talking about Christ, or a cult?
Dragonborn what's the difference?
No, you're not the only one.
Some people believe because they are delusional. (as in hallucinations and whatnot)
Others believe because they feel the little evidence for said creatures is enough.
Others want to believe or hold hope that certain creatures do in fact exist but can't definitively say they believe they do because of the current lack of substantial evidence.
I used to really believe in bigfoot but as I've gotten older and learned more, I'm leaning towards the "I'd like it if it did, but I highly doubt it does." side of things. On the other hand, I've gone from thinking a megalodon being alive is absolute fiction to "Well, from the information available, it could be true."
But then it also depends on what you consider to be "mythical." To some people a unicorn and a dragon and bigfoot are all absolute fiction. To others unicorn and dragon is fiction yet bigfoot is a genuine possibility as far as they're concerned.
This comment section is very peculiar..
Just based on the shear amount of force required to drag the ships down _whole_ , it would be more plausible to assume that the ships in question weren't made from a material that could withstand that sort of force, would instead break apart under the Kraken hold, and therefore quickly sink with much less force required.
You need the displacement of the ship to the gunwale. That is where the water goes under. If the gunwale is 10m above the waterline, you have to pull another 10m worth of water beyond the weight of the ship before it sinks.
But Kyle, usually in movies when see this happen, the kraken destroys the boat/ship first. It usually breaks them up into smaller pieces of ship, where water could leak into the ship making the kraken not have to displace nearly as much water with air. Therefore the kraken should not have to work nearly as hard.
I'd like to note that a kraken would only have to exert that amount of force for a short period. After the ship is submerged, it will start to fill with water, meaning less buoyancy. So it would be a bit different from pushing a beach ball under water and more like pushing a (very very) large cup under water -- Hard at first, then much easier.
However, with old galleon type ships, once you pull the ship down enough for the water to start pouring in through the gun ports, it would begin to fill with water, making the entire ship easier to pull even further below the surface.
Question. Can the ship handle the force of being pulled under? Would it count as dragging the ship under if it will break?
the only thing I want to know is if they took into consideration that man o' wars and other ships from that era had cannon ports. that means those types of ship would only need to be pulled down half way before they started to take water. once it starts to take on water the amount of force it takes to pull down would be greatly reduced. that means the size and power of the kraken would be around half of what Kyle said.
You're missing a key point about the Kraken, it doesn't pull things to the depths it crushes them and lets the tasty bits sink. Tentacles aren't designed to pull things, they are designed to rip them open so the centrally located mouth can then devour the insides.
Another issue you didn't address which I thought would be more important would be the size of the Kraken, should it decide to pull down a ship, to remain submerged while doing exerting that sort of force. Jet propulsion from that large of a beast would tear through wooden hulls without needing to crush it with the tentacles.
Great ! Please now do a video on how can the Kraken be so strong with only tentacles in regards of density or structure strength etc.
Had an idea for a future episode along the lines of telekinesis and wether it could be performed using signals that the brain can emit or some other form of wavelength
As a side note a kraken whilst trying to sink a ship would cause stress on the ship it's trying to sink hence they brake apart
We all know these scenes where someone spins a rod or a stone tied to a rope so fast in front of him/herself that it can block waterstreams or something like that.
So my question is: how fast do you need to spin a rod to block a waterstream coming from the firefighters for example?
We often see that a kraken curls his tentacles around the ship with a crushing force, breaking it apart and then pulling it down. Won`t the gross tonnage of the ship be halfed when the ship breaks? Also, when the ship breaks, it would gradually be filled with water, then would it be easier for the Kraken to pull it down?
Loved the Beakman's world homage at 1:12
In the movie Passengers, when he is thrown out the tube and his tether breaks, he spins and used the door to push himself the opposite direction. Is there a way to figure how much mass he'd need to throw away? It doesn't seem possible.
would the force required change if you pulled down one end instead of pulling all of it strait down? by how much?
it seems like the kraken must use the unsupported mass of its tentacles to pull to ship low in the water before breaking the hull with its beak or just crush it. either way it will need to breach the hull or sides of the ship to flood the decks and increase the weight of the ship, making it easier to drag down.
The Edmund Fitzgerald was a giant lake ore carrier, displacing 8600 tons. It went down in less than a minute during a massive storm on Lake Superior, vanishing between sweeps of the radar of a following ship. Theories are that the ship went up on a massive swell and the ship's own engines drove it straight into the bottom of the lake, breaking its keel. Basically instead of cutting through the surface of the water it suddenly was diving down into the water like a torpedo.
Couldn't a kraken grab just the bow of a ship and pull down on that, and once the deck became awash and the underdecks started flooding the ship would begin sinking itself. The kraken wouldn't be fighting against the entire ships displacement that way, only part of it, thus making its job of sinking a ship a whole lot easier.
What about if the Kraken was to pull on one section of the ship, and dip it into the water? By dipping it the water helps the ship go under water. Or by punching a hole in the hull, water floods in and water helps pull the boat.
Finally got to see what was on the end of his necklace, my curiosity is sated.
The kraken doesn't need to be as strong as you say in this video. It only needs to be strong enough to crush the hull of a boat. Once the hull is breached, be it a relatively small hole or a whole section of hull collapsing, water flows into the ship and the force needed to pull it reduces until it sinks even if nothing is trying to pull it down.
You should do Borg Cube Vs Death Star. Could the cube withstand the Death Star laser? Could the Borg Cube adapt fast enough or generate the power to stop it
But this calculation only works if the Ship remains undamaged during the process, right? regarding the damage the ship would suffer from punctual pressure applied by the tentacles, the entering water would make it a lot easier for Kraken to pull the ship under the surface, it would just take some time. (sorry for bad english, not a native speaker)
While watching this video I was literally making an MTG Slinn Voda EDH Kraken and big scary monsters deck!
What about the cannon ports on those older ships? Wouldn't it just have to pull hard enough to get the ship to start taking on water? And what about it pulling on only one side to capsize the ship?
Also, didn't account for the tensile strength of the materials. At what point would structural failure factor in?
Another good video though!
I'm surprised you didn't mention an alternative way for a Kraken to pull a ship under, still intact. You went with the direct, pulling under at a 90 degree angle. As ships tend to be hollow, if you can fill them with water instead of air, I imagine that the math changes a bit. Easiest way would be to partially capsize the ship via port or starboard, as trying to pull either the bow or stern would force more of the ship out of the water. Though it would be at an angle should the kraken try the bow or stern, if you can get water to begin flowing in, and keep it flowing in, the buoyancy forces would initially decrease at a slow rate, but as more water flows in, the faster this force decreases until there is so much water that the ship sinks with ease. (I have some personal experience with this in regards to pool and bath toys in the shape of boats and ships from when I was a kid 20-27 years ago. Also, Adam and Jamie from the original Mythbusters have experience with this on several occasions with a few myths involving the need for a resinkable ship. Ping Pong Rescue and Titantic Drag come to mind for me.)
So the kraken would only need to partially drag the ship in via the bow, stern, port or starboard. Hold the ship long enough for the water to flow in, increase the ship's weight as water replaces air(Air is less dense than water), and before you realize it, the ship is dragged under.
Alternatively, and this stretches the definition of intact, the kraken can just puncture holes in the ship. So long as no material is lost, and you could patch the hole by folding the material back and welding them back together(we're looking at metal ships here), it would technically still be considered intact. Popping rivets would do the same, but then you lose the rivets, and then the ship is no longer what would be considered intact. Wooden ships though, there's no way they would be intact. You lose material by punching holes in wood. In the case of the kraken, it would either be by biting or using the claws in the less cephalopody versions.
story's I've heard the cracken cracked and black hull and pull them down like on the sensor animation, love the show bro.