We know xenomorphs have crazy strong acid blood, but what animal inspired the filmmakers? New MINI EP over on my Insta (instagram.com/sci_Phile/). Thanks for watching! -- KH
Nerdist Also it is excepted that these four mediums, games, movies, comics, novels, are part of the saga and not just merchandise like 90% of everything else.
Nerdist Because of there bio-imperative, introduced in Aliens:Once in a life time, and expanded upon in Aliens vs Predator: Extinction, Aliens vs Predator Evolution, and Aliens Colonial Marines, every alien can evolve ultra fast to deal with threats to there species. if you ever see them evolve for heavy combat with aliens like "Ranger Aliens", Colossal Ravagers (they are calculated hitting harder than 10-25 megaton nuclear bombs) and so on, theres alot of heavy combat types, running is the only chance of survival. anyway, with them being able to evolve to the extreme it is very likely there mode of reproduction can as well, and we see in the newest comic that is the case, a ranger like type was seen spewing mutagenic material at enemies, converting them into aliens. also it appears Royal Jelly and the black goo are one in the same as they both do very similar things, including turing humans into aliens, though it was for a limited time, though that doesn't mean there times it wasn't permanent, black goo its self is not consistent in its effects on contact with creatures.
This show is underrated imho. I know you've worked really hard especially for this episode, Kyle, I know because that is a lot of information to dig in and it probably took hours of researching. Just know we love this show and please keep doing what you're doing! #turnedoffadblockforyou ❤️
Aliens can take traits from the dog and the predator and the engineer. What trait did it gain from humans. What carrier gave the xenomorphs their iconic slinder black bodies
I love biology too, but the problems with the xenomorphs is that they are very similar to the animals on Earth. If they have evolved separately from the life of Earth, they probably will look very different and they won't be able to parasite on humans. They even won't have DNA, but another king of molecule that carries the instructions for the functioning of the organism.
> That end diagram was so beautiful it brought tears to my eyes It would actually also be our most effective weapon against Xenomorphs. Just show it to them and they'll say: "Naaah, that's way too complicated, let's just go back to reproducing by shagging each others brains out."
Also regarding Alien 3, it depends which version of the movie you're watching. In the theatrical version, the host was a dog. In the directors cut version, the host was a cow.
@@Dohyden2 That seems to be what the script writers hinted at. And it became a staple in later films and games. Like the "Predailen" from Alien vs Predator.
Idk why some ppl find it so hard to understand lmao. The facehugger (more specifically its embryo) *IS* the origin lifeform, and it yoinks the structure of the vertebrate animals that it uses as a host. It's really that simple. I know they are canon as bioweapons, but evolutionarily this would still make a lot of sense. They take whatever prey item their species would want to hunt, and simply make themselves a better, stronger, more lethal version of that prey item. They force nature to make them the dominant predator. It's really quite beautiful.
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly That's actually a really cool way to think about it! And it also works as a bio weapon. How better to exterminate your enemies but through creatures that make themselves a stronger version of their species and mercilessly hunt them to reproduce.
Therapist: "Prometheus and Covenant aren't real. They can't hurt you." Prometheus and Covenant: "A robot with a God complex Frankensteined the Xenomorph into existence."
Never happened... Prometheus and Covenant are about a completely different Species called the Bullsheeeeeit-O-Morph... Ridley should stick to Cheap Gin as he's obviously lost his Alien Mojo.
@a cats The problem goes back to Alien and Scott... Leaving the Xenomorph Life Cycle OpenTo Interpretation was a Huge Mistake. The Life Cycle should have been Nailed Down from Day One. Just goes to show, in my opinion, Ridley Scott has been working to Ruin the Xenomorph Story Arc from the Beginning.
sorry to interrupt, but i gotta get this off my chest. "confusing life cycle" ? how is it confusing? egg releases facehugger, which plants a 2nd embryo into a victim, which develops into a chestburster whilst taking some host characteristics through horizontal gene transfer, then once it eats enough, it molts into the finale stage (for most some praetorians can molt into queens and drones too in the rare case of it being the last survivor) tl;dr egg hatches facehugger, facehugger infects host, chestburster...well bursts, eats then grows into drone. SIMPLE! EDIT:...ok i stand corrected...
Brett Dibble it sounds simple but then you have to answer questions like: "where did the eggs come from? What about the queen? Where to put aliens for prometheus and alien conventant?" and it gets a lot more complicated
Yeah, as a big fan of the alien franchise, I can say this is exactly what I took away from the movies. They are an adaptive biological weapon with a with variables based on what they interact with. I think you are spot on. You can also look at it like a more advanced version of the Zerg.
It's not like said plot made sense to begin with. You would never be able to simply dodge a facehugger. Even resisting it is hard as nails. The most sensible thing is not to stay, not to run (it'll get you anyway) but to kill it. Sure, your survival chances are slim, but it's the only chance you'll get (see Ripley, Newt and the Predators in AvP games, these people know how to handle that stuff)
Only started following you a few months ago.... this episode is a work of art. As a longtime fan who eats this stuff up, you summed it up perfectly. Injecting humor and pop culture, along with scientific analysis results in something brilliant like this video. Thank you for your efforts! 🤜🤛
So someone made the Goo as a bioweapon designed to take the 'best' (likely oldest genetic information) parts of whatever biologic it comes in contact with in order to further spread itself. Then through specific manipulation you end up with the original type of Alien. Makes sense to me. And explains all the other versions.
I feel 'oldest genetic information' would be incorrect due to how humans share some genetic material with lots of things on the planet, even if that amount is very small. My thought is that it would be programmed to look for information that falls within certain parameters so it wouldn't try to interact with inorganic items or pull out something that would be detrimental to the next life cycle stage.
i think the reason why se gu (and by extension the xenomorph) do gene transfer in order to quickly adapt to new environments. you drop one facehugger on an alien planet and as long as it finds one victim, there will be a sizable xenomorph population within weeks. basically whatever environment you put aliens in, any offspring created using a native species will be able to survive in that environment, making them basically unstopable by means such as lucky weather or germ warfare.
@Artiamus Imura, indeed that is a part of it. From my understanding of the opening scene of Prometheus however, It seems more like the "engineers" (the "someone" you mentioned in the OP) used the "goo" (that they created/ "engineered") as a catalyst to bring about new forms of life (I.E. start the chain reaction from single cell to multi-cell organisms) on suitable planets of their choosing to create new organic Ecosystems, and they used their own DNA (I.E. willing Engineer Sacrifice) in a Religious fashion, to achieve these goals. Earth being one of those planets, they then returned through out thousands of years of human history (seemingly to check in on their creation/experiment/religious undertaking) and helped establish human civilization (also seemingly out of some sort of religious aspect) then "human beings" as their creations did "something" to piss them off in a big way (guessing killed one of their emissaries, it's implied.) and in retaliation the "Engineers" took their "goo" to a remote outpost and started mass producing it/weaponizing it to take out all biological life on earth and start again from the ground up. Things went wrong in the production phase (I.E. playing with fire can get you burned), they couldn't contain it, and the events of prometheus unfold with Shaw asking repeatedly "why do you hate us!" and "we were so wrong" as the Engineers look at us as with disgust and a failed undertaking which brings up so many other questions, like was earth the only planet they did this on? what was the "engineers" end goal? From the artwork/statutes/shrines at the outpost in prometheus, they seem to at least have knowledge of Xenomorphs/worship the "creation" of such lifeforms, which is a motif carried over in alien:covenant with the example of 'David' being a human creation and of a subconscious desire of humans emulating the actions of 'Engineers' and "creating" a new life form but in our own image, albeit by different means, but still it begs the question that if the "engineers" truly wanted to create "xenomorphs" as an end result and instead the initial "goo sacrifice, with engineer DNA" made humans (which would explain why xenomorphs can only come from Human D.N.A./burst from a Human host) as this video elaborates on, was that the end goal all along? or do the "engineers" have a different reasoning? the list of questions goes on and on. Then you have Alien:Covenant where 'David's' origin and the folly of man in creating him in the first place plays out just as the engineers felt the folly of what they wrought in their own religious creation of life. The big kicker/Irony here is that the life form/android created by the "Engineers" creation (I.E. humans) deems both other lifeforms to be unworthy and let's loose his wrath upon the Engineers in epic fashion, unleashing upon them what they would have done to us and then uses human beings (who created him in the first place) as genetic building blocks to create his Own version of a "perfect life form/organsim" because unlike humans who were taught about the wonders of "creation" from their creators, David was denied and told that he was only made to "serve" which obviously didn't sit too well with him. That's the big thing about these "prequel" movies that people are seeming to miss. Even though they are "alien" movies and do elaborate on the Lore IMO at their core they're all about "creation" and the constant cycle of lifeforms being created by other lifeforms and how those lifeforms keep repeating the cycle with an almost religious zeal and it leads to all kinds of interesting/thought provoking questions which IMO is how good art/stories should be. It's just vague enough to leave it open to your own interpretation but is presented to you in a way that you can piece together the main theme/motif.
Alien Vs Predator: Requiem.....it introduces the concept that a PredAlien can "facehug" a human directly and implant with the need for the egg/facehugger stage.....one extra arm to put onto that chart. Sorry....
Considering the only alien that we see in the that movie (been a while, sorry), besides Predalien are normal Xenos, it can be assumed that the predalien is a producer and carrier of Xeno embryos, like the face hugger. Predalien seems like an incredibly unlikely situation, but I don't know much about Predator biology which might be the reason for the production of the embryos. Also, the Predalien can implant multiple embyros at once, instead of the one-and-done facehugger.
Somewhere between the films, documentaries and interviews, they mention the Xenomorph being a silicon based life form, and not carbon based like we are. This presents an interesting scientific challenge of combining DNA between such different bases.
I like to think the Alien movies are in two different universes. The Ridley Universe and Cameron Universe. The Ridley Universe: Alien Prometheus Alien Covenant The Cameron Universe: Alien Aliens Alien 3 Alien Resurection I'm probably wrong but this is how I make sense of the Alien Movies.
Well the movies work in a time line that is difficult to map with the avp movies. It goes: Prometheous Alien covenant Alien Aliens Alien III Alien resurrection But when we take the times of all those movies into consideration of the AVP franchise it messes things up
Xanthropus Personally, I think Ridley's version made everything complicated. Thats why I stick to the comics which stays somewhat true to the Cameron Universe like th Xenos being natural animals in XenoPrime.
@@bunfudderlegreat1275 just put it in cronological order AVP happened in early 2000's while Prometheous alien covanent, alien, aliens, alien 3 and alien resurrection all happened late 2100's so there's the timeline AVP AVP Requiriem Promethious Alien covanent Alien Aliens Alien 3 Alien resurrection And in my own theory I believe that avp is what showed people in the government what this is there for causing them to send a team into space looking for these creatures
If a xenomorph somehow infected a kyrptonian (it's possible through the crossover in each world with Mortal Kombat), could the chestburster even get through?
Marc Reimer there was a cross over comic with Dc comics and 2000ad comics, one had superman getting some face hugger lovin' and wasn't to shabby a comic either.
Marc Reimer in the comic kriptonian survivors ended up with chest busters busting out but this was while under a red star, when superman got back to earth it could not get out or do him harm internally, didn't cover how he survived having organs converted while the chest burster went through its chastisement or whatever ever the word is. But the kriptonian boy scout lost his rag and went all kratos on the xenomorph queen.
The chicken and the egg argument is really about which is correct: Religion (God created the CHICKEN) or Science (the true chicken EGG came from not quite chickens).
There's a problem with this whole life cycle though, the mural in Prometheus makes it seem like the Xenomorph existed prior to the Black Goo. Perhaps it was a species that already existed and they were experimenting on or one that went extinct and the Engineers used residual DNA to develop into the goo and weaponized it? TBH It seemed like David tinkered a lot with the anatomy and DNA of offspring of the goo, species on planet and Shaw's remains. It would explain the finger like appendages and vagina like underbelly of the Facehugger. One thing that doesn't fit is the mechanical like appearance of the Chestburster/xenomorph. The different variations of Xenomorph I kind of understand as it is gestating inside the host and possibly sharing DNA from the host to adapt. But how does a species adapt to include mechanical features?
Giger’s (or however you spell it) drawings for the original Alien were obviously done in his style which focuses heavily on dark organic machines and freaky sex. I think that was the only reason for the look.
I watch a video with a possible explanation saying that the mechanical features will appear when David uses himself as a host to make The perfect Xenomorph
@@pabelhughes7231 🤔 Could he even be a host? Well maybe they could use his frame as a sort of artificial womb, but wouldn't he lack any real genetic material to influence the offspring? I know he's advanced, and has features to seem more... like a 'true' organic living being, but isn't it basically just like 'decorative' and not actually anything with DNA/RNA/whatever? Kinda like Data in ST, I mean. Like, yes, there is skin and whatnot but it isn't actually 'living material' but advanced inorganic materials that simply mimic the function/appearance. It's been a long time since I watched any of these movies so maybe I'm forgetting something that explains this and totally negates everything I said. 🤷♂️
Darrien Vanfossen The crew of the Covenant are even fucking worse. The scientists in Prometheus took off their space helmets when they found out the air was breathable. In Covenant, they never even wear them. So much shit could have been avoided if they just wore their fucking helmets.
It doesn't matter If the air was breathable, what matters is that they were on a DIFFERENT PLANET with DIFFERENT ECOSYSTEM with DIFFERENT VIRUSES and they wasn't immune to those viruses, bacterias etc. That is why the crew of the Covenant are even worse.
Have you guys ever took the time to think that if you hear a frequency from a planet that sounds like music assuming human life is there and that it's worth the risk to go there without protective equipment?
It is neither Holy nor Roman, by Jesus it isn’t even an empire. *and that good sirs is why I’m the only person in my friend group to actually like history*
I would be curious to see a full life cycle for the Deacon and Neomorph, since both seem like they could be seperate 'sister' races to the classic Xenomorph. but I suspect neither will show up again.
Well, the "classic" Xenomorph that appears in the first Alien movie exhibits biomechanical features (and if you remember, David is trying to create the perfect organism, and the classic xenomorph is just that), so I think it is fair to say that David eventually manages a way to use himself as a host to create the perfect organism - how that even works is beyond me, but if you remember, the black goo only affects organic substances. In Prometheus, there's a scene where David drops a bit of the black goo on his finger, and it does nothing to him. Though admittedly there's a lot of contradicting info, but I personally find this as a cool classic Xenomorph origin explanation.
Alex Felton There was. It was supposed to be between Prometheus and Covenant. A lot of the props were sold off and it's rumored the movie got canned ever since Disney bought the rights. Covenant bombed at theaters so it's very possible no more Alien movies. Hope not obviously.
It is pretty much directly stated that the Protomorph/Covenant Xeno is just an evolution of the Neomorph and David's experiments. We can assume the Covenant Xeno just evolved from there to become more biomechanical, into the classic Alien we all know and love.
You're right Shubham Khatdeo. It is described as a 'Protomorph' in materials surrounding the movie, and it is subtly different physiologically from a Classic Xenomorph, having less in the way of overt bio-mechanical elements in its design. Come to think of it, we still have no idea where the biomechanical attributes of the Classic Xenomorph come from at all. So... who's going to tell poor Mr. Hill he has to redraw his diagram yet again?
Now this was incredibly amazing! Not only did you explain something that couldn’t be explained (because it is bushtit to the square), you did it in a very entertaining way wile drawing a face hugger with the diagram that explains the lifecycle of the xenomorph. Dude this was art! pure art! (to the square!!)
Oh Shit! So the Byron/Shelley interplay between David and Walter goes beyond just alluding to the themes of Ozymandias as a text, it directly sets up Davids motivations and perhaps even his arc. If you substitute 'ultimate horror story' for 'perfect life form', then David is being motivated to create something of his own, which in this case is the Aliens, themselves a Frankenstein-esque conglomeration of DNA/artificial goo.
This is the best, if not the most in-depth analysis of where each form of xenomorph comes from while tying in every variant that appears in the movies. I don't think you need to update it for Romulus because it's the same xenomorph from Alien and Aliens. A job well done! 👍
it's one of the reasons i won't watch any of the alien films those facehuggers look a little too much like spiders and they jump at you not to mention the jumpscares they do
I am thoroughly impressed by this. I and my friends got into a HUGE debate about this last year after we all saw Covenant. Between the six of us, we came very close to this conclusion. But what we hadn't thought about taking into consideration was the comments by the directors and examples/facts from real world biology. We went off evidence from the movies we watched and the comic book lore. Kudos!
Unfortunately that mural back in Prometheus in the goo chamber with the giant head statue showcased a xenomorph like creature and that kinda implies that there was something before the goo, or possibly that was the final intended design before David ever tinkered with the goo in the first place. Sadly I doubt we'll ever get a definitive answer about that mural though, it feels like everyone including ridley scott has just kinda forgotten about it.
You sould do a video about Hot Rods (the french robot) time stoping gun in the new Transformers. I think it could be that it produces a extremly dense dark matter spher (more Matter=slower time) and some kind of dark energy barrier to things from collapsing towards all of this mass
I agree with everything he said except that the Xenomorph wasn't already around by the time of Prometheus. Because the engineer in Alien was fossilized and that only takes place 22 years before Prometheus so he had to have been there for millions of years and the eggs were already on the ship when they found them. Also in Prometheus, there is a mural depicting a classic Xenomorph. So my hypothesis is that the engineers discovered the Xenomorph and believed to be the perfect organism and also the perfect weapon. So they weaponized the Xenomorphs DNA to both defeat their enemies and spread this divinely perfect organism across the universe.
this is a petty good theory how ever if the xenomorph was a naturally occurring creature some were in the universe then how come they haven't simply spared across the stars in In a tide wave of meannise especial if they are a supposably perfect lifeform. survive of the fittest, the strongest or most cable organisms thrive and supplant those that can not adept. and seening as the xenomorph is almost completely reliant on hosts to continue their race it would be in their biological interests to spared as far and as fast as possible. especially when they run out of hosts on their home planet. and considering that the xenomorph it self doesn't seem all that intelligent its unlikey that they could ever master space travel in any meaningful way before they simply wiped out the native host population before archiving space travel. and if they didn't if some animals and plants were immune to being face hugged. then their not a prefect race because no biologic organism can through evolution become perfect. so that leave's only three options as far as I can see.1. the xenomorph is simply the by product of mad science, frist by the engingeers and then by david. so any flaws can be removed as the product of trail and error creates the goo.2. the xenomorph are a naturally ocring creature and the engineers fond and thought. 'neat these seem like they might be useful' and then played around with the xenomorph creature/DNA to make them more deadly. then shit happened and lost containment and things went tits up.3. the xenomorph has a fricken long ass life cycle and act more like the reapers from mass effect than normal lifeforms. they hatch on a planet or what have you, use up the local fauna as hosts. once all the hosts are used up and the adults die off the eggs remain dormant until something pocks around (perhaps waiting for the environment to repopulate, perhaps even the galaxy) and the cycle starts all over again. (all the while spreading as far as they can. via peoples stupidity.)
I think #3 is the most likely although I don't think to reaper level. Because in nature an ecosystem is usually balanced and to balance the xenomorphs ferocity and deadliness it has a weakness in its reproductive cycle. Meaning that whenever the Xenomorph population grows too large it starts running out of host which leads to population decrease. Just like if the population of a species of animal outpaces the available food supply the species will starve and thus the ecosystem rebalances itself. I think the need for a host acts as a similar population growth counter balance within the Xenomorphs natural ecosystem.
So the first stage of the xenomorphs is what defines a specie? Like if a facehugger of a colony of classic xenomorphs face hugs a dog and a runner borns, it would be part of that same colony?
I had a mini nerdgasm on the chicken/egg explanation; I've figured that one out since a long time, and I've never ever saw or heard anyone else saying that, even my friends I told about it just looked at me like I just came out with a joke solution. I mean, you just need a simple understanding of evolution to figure that one out, right?
Canuk Science he logically shouldn’t be able to (or at least not without tearing through his wrist/palm to do so) as his claws are stored in his forearms. Despite this however, he has been shown to do so in X-men Evolution (is that what that show was called?) during a chase through the school. Which reminds me, why do his claws look like blades when he originally had only jagged bone spikes? Was that ever mentioned in the comments (it’s been a while since I read those).
Pyro Main probably the aesthetics then. And I suppose it would’ve been hard to make use of the “ cut through any material” thing when his original claws were better suited to tearing. Just kinda wonder if the scientist dudes from project x had to shave them down or something.
Juggled Lotus for some odd reason I feel like it might be a plot hole they ignored and I’m trying to rationalize. Might not be the most productive use of my time tbh.
Although I agree with the top part of the graph, the bottom has one error. The xenomorph egg created by David does not create the "classic Xeno" it creates the Protomorph, the Xeno-like creatures are the Protomorphs at the end of the film, David Acquires a ship and a library of human subjects of whom he perfects the formula and perhaps later fully evolutionizes the protomorph into the classic Xeno we know and love. I absolutely love your videos btw!
shouldn't the goo with "david's tinkering / shaw's eggs/ spores and wasps" part produce a protomorph?, then how did the cycle end with us having the "classic xenomorph"?
Zouse00 I think David impregnates himself with a Xeno and then it takes the mechanical attributes of an Android, and poof- Biomechanical class Xenomorph.
Zouse00 Zouse00 Whatever embryo the facehugger carries, it carries human DNA to some degree that if it places that embryo within another person, would therefor produce the said "perfect organism". But if that were the case, David's work would be done, he would have no reason to utilize Daniels as he did Shaw (her eggs). It's obvious David has a lot more work to do to coin his "perfect organism" in the form of the true Xenomorph. "What did you do to her?", David's reply "Exactly what I'm going to do to you." I got an itch that poor Daniels is going to be the mother of our true Xeno.
It actually shows that he isn't done in the chest bursting scene, the "xenomorph" comes out as a delicate but fully functional xeno that then rapidly grows to full size bypassing the worm like chestburster stage entirely, and as for the biomechanical aspect the neomorph shows that engineers can produce those traits likely do to their genetically bonded biomechanics like space suits, which the engineer was wearing in Prometheus, which also explains the aliens ability to survive in the vacuum of space
Only problem now is... if the Classic Xenomorph is reliant on David to create the eggs and start the cycle... then how did all those eggs end up on a Space Jockey spaceship in the first film? Did David find a crashed ship and replace all its urns of *goo* with eggs from his newly created Xenomorph queen?
Dee Oh Dee A popular theory that is gaining traction in the Prometheus/Alien community is that in the next film (or in the film that directly ties Prometheus to Alien) David will commandeer an Engineer vessel in an attempt to escape either some colonial marine force and/or Engineer force that was off-world during the onslaught of Alien: Covenant. He realizes that his luck has run out so he speeds off into the stars whilst donning a space jockey suit a sort of insult to the engineer race he sought to destroy. Eventually a chestburster erupts from him, causing him to lose control of the ship and crash in LV-426 (correct me if im wrong in planet name). Now its not clear how and why an alien would implant itself into David but perhaps he begins to experiment with the black goo in order to morph his body into an organic one, thus becoming a true, *living god.* The eggs on the ship can be a result of either two things. 1. The alien becomes a Queen and begins to plant thousands upon thousands of eggs inside the ship in preparation of the events of Alien. Or 2. David wanted to save his perfect creation and thus brought on the thousands of eggs he created on the Covenant and/or during the events of the film that links to Alien. But thats just a theory ;)
but its getting closer and closer too its original form maybe david will fix it now because to me it look like david didnt like his protomorph concept it was too aggressiv and the skin lookt kinde ugly it didnt have a exoskellet :( but he has more testsubjekt now and will make a perrfekt xeno sooner or later
on the movie prometheus at the 40'11" mark there is a mural and there is a figure that resembles a classic xenomorph how does that fit in if the DNA has not mix with human DNA before ?
The story-based answer here, however unsatisfying, is that according to Prometheus, Engineers and Humans seem to have extremely similar, if not identical DNA. So its possible that general configuration of Xenomorph could have occurred in the past as a memorable accident, and example of the power of "ze goo". I wouldn't take it as gospel that the Xeno birthed at the end of the movie is the mama of all others, because that makes no sense with the timeline.
Oh my geeerrrrd! this is so funny! and so so brilliant, thank you Kyle. I only just found this video 7 years after creation, and guess what……. Alien Romulus is just about to come out. I think we may need that lifecycle diagram thingy as a handout at the cinemas please.
If any one found this video confusing be glad he didn't use the comics or games cause you would hear 'empress ' or 'Queen Mother ' and make this video so much more confusing
But Predators used to hunt Aliens down as a part of their ritual long before David created Protomorphs using Dr. Shawns Eggcells. How did Predators then create their Xenomorphs?
In answer to that the classic xenomorphs may or are an extinct race and I think the engineers already made them b4 but maybe and seeing as the cycle needs hosts to carry on so once they have eaten all there hosts they die out .... David is just experimenting and follow a breadcrumb trail that the engineers have already done
@@joelward4649 David still gonna to engineer to create the classic Xenomorph from Alien 1 as his experiments are still ongoing. AVP films were decanonized once Prometheus was created.
sorry but i do not see prometeus a cannon as it disrupts the time line of all alien films and books. only way Prometeus can be cannon is for David to reinvent the Zenomorph as we have books about Zenomorphs from before the films (timeline wise)
In my opinion Prometheus and this whole Bio weapon stuff is shit... it destroys the thought off this perfect organism from the original alien movies Ps: I think u forgot about the Royal facehugger and that Ripley was pregnant with a queen
Honestly, I think the biological weapon angle and David's own tinkering in Covenant are Scott's way of trying to justify both life cycles of the creature. The initial version where it lays an egg, and of course Jim Cameron's Queen. Maybe it's a bit of professional courtesy towards a fellow director, instead of just trying to outright negate their contribution. And Scott said even back in the original film he thought maybe the derelict was possibly some sort of "bomber" and the eggs were the payload.
But that's the thing nothing starts out perfect. In alien the Xenomorphs are finally perfected because of generations of adaptation and evolution, like with humans they didn't start out that way.
Avisae I personally think the black goo is the product of the Engineers distilling the spores from the puffball-like mushroom on their home planet. Turning it into a liquid bioweapon. It just happens to act like a Pokémon evolution stone on more simplified organisms and reproductive cells. And that was not the intended result by the Engineers.
Having a timeline of those films, l still don't get how the LV426 space jockey could be fossilized in just 20 years, while the engineer in Prometheus was in hibernation for more than 2000 years and woke up just as if it was still 'yesterday' when he got into the pod; and even the head from one of the deceased engineer was still in good condition when 'revived' by Shaw and the other scientist . And about the eggs, it is still not convincing the theory which states that is David's creation; again, in Prometheus movie, the mural in the engineers' temple already shows the facehuggers, which it makes clear the engineers already had developed and knew about them. Which also can give a better clue about the origin of the eggs. And that can make more sense about the eggs in the LV426 engineer's juggernaut than any explanation that links David's experiment and the fossilized engineer in such short period of events.
Birdie millan Yes but without being able to produce a queen they lack the ability to reproduce without David. We can surmise that David made whatsherface (aka, replacement Shaw) a queen embryo host fully realizing the Xenomorph. Technically every form is a Xenomorphic variant. The alt naming scheme is simply to distinguish different variants. Much like how pugs are still dogs but look nothing like a husky.
Thegn P. Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t the Zerg created by the xel’naga after they created the Protoss in their quest for making a perfect organism? They failed both times, the Protoss having “perfection of essence” and the Zerg “perfection of form”. Those might be backward I always mix them up. Anyways, they weren’t really bio-weapons originally, but Arcturus Minsk used them as such by luring them to New Gettysburg with the psi emitter. The mission of the Overmind was to find the Protoss and assimilate them to fulfill the xel’naga’s plan. Sorry I love SC and the lore so forgive me if you knew all this already.
before the release of alien covenant that was the prevailing theory about the image of a xeno that can be seen in the engineer ship in promethium that the engineers found them and used them to make the black goo but that got all warped when covenant came out and was like nope it was david
@@elapidpython4378 Ah ok yeah the Alien timeline and lore I don't know as well because it is really convoluted. I need to rewatch Promethius because I did NOT understand it at all. I need to watch covenant too I guess, I'm not sure if I've seen it. I re-watched the beginning of the SC campaign and yeah the Confederacy was already secretly testing the Zerg as a weapon (which prompts the beginning of the game when the magistrate and Jim Raynor are arrested for destroying an infested Terran building.) But still, that doesn't change that the Zerg were discovered, not invented.
I was wondering how AvP/AvP2 and Prometheus/Covenant, seeing you mentioned both storylines, would be compatible? Are aliens an ancient "perfect organism" used by Predators as a test by thousands of years or are they the result of an android's manipulation of a bioweapon in the future? It's been killing me for years now.
Sebas Coll Honestly I always assumed that the android was just re creating the xenomorphs. They still exist but humans havent found them but they find some of it in covenant.
David didnt create Xenomorphs. He used the Xenomorphs DNA in the goo to try and recreate a Xenomorph but made a proto morph. Even farther proof would be Waylands death in AvP, which resulted in his son taking over the company which then resulted in the creation of the first David model (synth).
The timeline is simple the engineers created life on earth using a substance from "the first deacon. Predators come to earth and help humans create pyramids (the pyramids are for them to take a combat test against Xenomorphs [hinting that either the predators brought the Xenomorphs or they followed them to earth and imprisoned them in said pyramids]).
Notice me senpai! After watching this informative xenomorph life cycle map I can officially conclude that this is the best interpretation of it I have ever seen! Well done sir. Well done.
A Facehugger wouldn't facehug a Xenomorph. Why do you think the Queen sat in a room full of eggs without being infected by its own species? Anyway, it would just create a standard Xenomorph. Xenomorph DNA + More Xeno DNA = Xenomorph.
I think we can make it simpler. GOO + "David" -> Protoegg -> Queen -> Egg -> A Host -> Chestburster -> Xenomorph with traits of the host organism or male drone that potentially could become a Queen with the host trait. As a "starting cycle". Than it's just Queen -> Eggs -> Hosts -> Chestburster -> Alien with host traits/male drone/new Queen ->...
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I love the way you say ze goo.
i like porn
Nerdist I wil post more later, but Fox did allow the creation of the "King Alien" and its canon.
Nerdist Also it is excepted that these four mediums, games, movies, comics, novels, are part of the saga and not just merchandise like 90% of everything else.
Nerdist Because of there bio-imperative, introduced in Aliens:Once in a life time, and expanded upon in Aliens vs Predator: Extinction, Aliens vs Predator Evolution, and Aliens Colonial Marines, every alien can evolve ultra fast to deal with threats to there species. if you ever see them evolve for heavy combat with aliens like "Ranger Aliens", Colossal Ravagers (they are calculated hitting harder than 10-25 megaton nuclear bombs) and so on, theres alot of heavy combat types, running is the only chance of survival.
anyway, with them being able to evolve to the extreme it is very likely there mode of reproduction can as well, and we see in the newest comic that is the case, a ranger like type was seen spewing mutagenic material at enemies, converting them into aliens.
also it appears Royal Jelly and the black goo are one in the same as they both do very similar things, including turing humans into aliens, though it was for a limited time, though that doesn't mean there times it wasn't permanent, black goo its self is not consistent in its effects on contact with creatures.
They should make that completed lifecycle as a poster. I’d buy it.
Yeah that would be cool
Me too
Include images with each description and you'll have something.
This show is underrated imho. I know you've worked really hard especially for this episode, Kyle, I know because that is a lot of information to dig in and it probably took hours of researching. Just know we love this show and please keep doing what you're doing!
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Lol the Adblock
Aliens can take traits from the dog and the predator and the engineer. What trait did it gain from humans. What carrier gave the xenomorphs their iconic slinder black bodies
Justin Dougherty the fuck
Kyle's brain is underrated
I mean, look at that hair! gaze upon its beauty
"David lynch, director of alien 3"
10:55
"Vagina snake thing"
I actually spat out my water lmao
I skiped from 5 min to here and was like wtf😂😂😂
Ha I skipped from 0:35
well, Giger actually was making his designs similar to vaginas and penises
NovarkTheBoss I took a sip of Dr Pepper and when he said that I spat it out all over my brother.......he was very mad
you probably put more thought into this than any writer in the entire franchise.
Massive disservice to the writers of the expanded universe, honestly
@@itsPlasma06are you saying his comment is a disservice? or that the lore the guys are making is a disservice? because he’s 100% correct
his explanation was way better than all those alien theory videos talking about nonsense
Those videos never really say anything. I wanted to attempt an explanation that actually produced something. -- KH
Nerdist OMG OMG OMG OMG you answered me!! thank you for making because science videos :D i love them so much
Of course I did. Thanks for your kind words Yeedo. I read most of these and I always appreciate kindness. -- KH
I'd love to see you take a shit. :) (God I hope somebody gets that reference)
Ze goo
God I love how he says it XD
I loved it when he said "Vagina snake" Even more
*ZE GUUU*
*ZUH GUUUUUUU*
Damn it! I thought that I'm the only one... now there are more than 400 of us.
zeh guuuu
This. . . . . . This . . . . This is why I love Biology
That end diagram was so beautiful it brought tears to my eyes
I can feel the nerdgasm from here
I love biology too, but the problems with the xenomorphs is that they are very similar to the animals on Earth. If they have evolved separately from the life of Earth, they probably will look very different and they won't be able to parasite on humans. They even won't have DNA, but another king of molecule that carries the instructions for the functioning of the organism.
You’re plain crazy.
> That end diagram was so beautiful it brought tears to my eyes
It would actually also be our most effective weapon against Xenomorphs.
Just show it to them and they'll say: "Naaah, that's way too complicated, let's just go back to reproducing by shagging each others brains out."
Is it intentionally the shape of a face hugger do you think?
Also regarding Alien 3, it depends which version of the movie you're watching. In the theatrical version, the host was a dog. In the directors cut version, the host was a cow.
Technically an ox, but yes a (bovine). LOL. You gotta love fiction.
I imagine anything quadrupedal would end up as a runner.
@@Dohyden2 That seems to be what the script writers hinted at. And it became a staple in later films and games. Like the "Predailen" from Alien vs Predator.
Idk why some ppl find it so hard to understand lmao. The facehugger (more specifically its embryo) *IS* the origin lifeform, and it yoinks the structure of the vertebrate animals that it uses as a host. It's really that simple.
I know they are canon as bioweapons, but evolutionarily this would still make a lot of sense. They take whatever prey item their species would want to hunt, and simply make themselves a better, stronger, more lethal version of that prey item. They force nature to make them the dominant predator. It's really quite beautiful.
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly That's actually a really cool way to think about it! And it also works as a bio weapon. How better to exterminate your enemies but through creatures that make themselves a stronger version of their species and mercilessly hunt them to reproduce.
Therapist: "Prometheus and Covenant aren't real. They can't hurt you."
Prometheus and Covenant: "A robot with a God complex Frankensteined the Xenomorph into existence."
Aliens Frankensteined into existence by a robot with a god complex sounds pretty horrifying tbh-
He didn't create it though. In the novelisation it says he recreated it using neomorphs
Never happened...
Prometheus and Covenant are about a completely different Species called the Bullsheeeeeit-O-Morph...
Ridley should stick to Cheap Gin as he's obviously lost his Alien Mojo.
@@belliott538 aliens ruined the xenomorph but because of it's good plot no one listens to my criticisms
@a cats The problem goes back to Alien and Scott...
Leaving the Xenomorph Life Cycle OpenTo Interpretation was a Huge Mistake. The Life Cycle should have been Nailed Down from Day One.
Just goes to show, in my opinion, Ridley Scott has been working to Ruin the Xenomorph Story Arc from the Beginning.
i love this alien episodes since they're super long and interesting
juan mendez these*
juan mendez also unlike most of the videos they focus on biology not physic!
sorry to interrupt, but i gotta get this off my chest. "confusing life cycle" ? how is it confusing? egg releases facehugger, which plants a 2nd embryo into a victim, which develops into a chestburster whilst taking some host characteristics through horizontal gene transfer, then once it eats enough, it molts into the finale stage (for most some praetorians can molt into queens and drones too in the rare case of it being the last survivor)
tl;dr egg hatches facehugger, facehugger infects host, chestburster...well bursts, eats then grows into drone. SIMPLE!
EDIT:...ok i stand corrected...
juan mendez yessssss
Brett Dibble it sounds simple but then you have to answer questions like: "where did the eggs come from? What about the queen? Where to put aliens for prometheus and alien conventant?" and it gets a lot more complicated
I absolutely LOVE how he interacts with his drawings.
Yeah, as a big fan of the alien franchise, I can say this is exactly what I took away from the movies.
They are an adaptive biological weapon with a with variables based on what they interact with.
I think you are spot on.
You can also look at it like a more advanced version of the Zerg.
More like a less advanced version of the Zerg. Zerg are way more intelligent and developed.
Like the zerg... or perhaps the tyranids of warhammer 40,000...?
They are a holometabolic endoparasite!
Okay, that was rather impressive! Great job
So at the end of this, the facehugger jumps over your head and off to the right.....and then you GO THAT WAY??
You are a bad scientist, sir!
Trendane Sparks or is he studying it?
Ooooo! Excellent point!
Trendane Sparks YOU FORGET... MOVIES NEED A PLOT
Yes...but one would hope that plot would make SENSE.
It's not like said plot made sense to begin with.
You would never be able to simply dodge a facehugger. Even resisting it is hard as nails.
The most sensible thing is not to stay, not to run (it'll get you anyway) but to kill it.
Sure, your survival chances are slim, but it's the only chance you'll get (see Ripley, Newt and the Predators in AvP games, these people know how to handle that stuff)
Only started following you a few months ago.... this episode is a work of art. As a longtime fan who eats this stuff up, you summed it up perfectly. Injecting humor and pop culture, along with scientific analysis results in something brilliant like this video. Thank you for your efforts! 🤜🤛
In the novelization David uses pre-existing Xenomorphs eggs made by the Engineers for his experiments.
So someone made the Goo as a bioweapon designed to take the 'best' (likely oldest genetic information) parts of whatever biologic it comes in contact with in order to further spread itself.
Then through specific manipulation you end up with the original type of Alien.
Makes sense to me. And explains all the other versions.
BOOM -- KH
I feel 'oldest genetic information' would be incorrect due to how humans share some genetic material with lots of things on the planet, even if that amount is very small. My thought is that it would be programmed to look for information that falls within certain parameters so it wouldn't try to interact with inorganic items or pull out something that would be detrimental to the next life cycle stage.
i think the reason why se gu (and by extension the xenomorph) do gene transfer in order to quickly adapt to new environments.
you drop one facehugger on an alien planet and as long as it finds one victim, there will be a sizable xenomorph population within weeks.
basically whatever environment you put aliens in, any offspring created using a native species will be able to survive in that environment, making them basically unstopable by means such as lucky weather or germ warfare.
@Artiamus Imura, indeed that is a part of it. From my understanding of the opening scene of Prometheus however, It seems more like the "engineers" (the "someone" you mentioned in the OP) used the "goo" (that they created/ "engineered") as a catalyst to bring about new forms of life (I.E. start the chain reaction from single cell to multi-cell organisms) on suitable planets of their choosing to create new organic Ecosystems, and they used their own DNA (I.E. willing Engineer Sacrifice) in a Religious fashion, to achieve these goals.
Earth being one of those planets, they then returned through out thousands of years of human history (seemingly to check in on their creation/experiment/religious undertaking) and helped establish human civilization (also seemingly out of some sort of religious aspect) then "human beings" as their creations did "something" to piss them off in a big way (guessing killed one of their emissaries, it's implied.) and in retaliation the "Engineers" took their "goo" to a remote outpost and started mass producing it/weaponizing it to take out all biological life on earth and start again from the ground up.
Things went wrong in the production phase (I.E. playing with fire can get you burned), they couldn't contain it, and the events of prometheus unfold with Shaw asking repeatedly "why do you hate us!" and "we were so wrong" as the Engineers look at us as with disgust and a failed undertaking
which brings up so many other questions, like was earth the only planet they did this on? what was the "engineers" end goal? From the artwork/statutes/shrines at the outpost in prometheus, they seem to at least have knowledge of Xenomorphs/worship the "creation" of such lifeforms, which is a motif carried over in alien:covenant with the example of 'David' being a human creation and of a subconscious desire of humans emulating the actions of 'Engineers' and "creating" a new life form but in our own image, albeit by different means, but still it begs the question that if the "engineers" truly wanted to create "xenomorphs" as an end result and instead the initial "goo sacrifice, with engineer DNA" made humans (which would explain why xenomorphs can only come from Human D.N.A./burst from a Human host) as this video elaborates on, was that the end goal all along? or do the "engineers" have a different reasoning? the list of questions goes on and on.
Then you have Alien:Covenant where 'David's' origin and the folly of man in creating him in the first place plays out just as the engineers felt the folly of what they wrought in their own religious creation of life. The big kicker/Irony here is that the life form/android created by the "Engineers" creation (I.E. humans) deems both other lifeforms to be unworthy and let's loose his wrath upon the Engineers in epic fashion, unleashing upon them what they would have done to us and then uses human beings (who created him in the first place) as genetic building blocks to create his Own version of a "perfect life form/organsim" because unlike humans who were taught about the wonders of "creation" from their creators, David was denied and told that he was only made to "serve" which obviously didn't sit too well with him.
That's the big thing about these "prequel" movies that people are seeming to miss. Even though they are "alien" movies and do elaborate on the Lore IMO at their core they're all about "creation" and the constant cycle of lifeforms being created by other lifeforms and how those lifeforms keep repeating the cycle with an almost religious zeal and it leads to all kinds of interesting/thought provoking questions which IMO is how good art/stories should be. It's just vague enough to leave it open to your own interpretation but is presented to you in a way that you can piece together the main theme/motif.
I respect you for making this.
Alien Vs Predator: Requiem.....it introduces the concept that a PredAlien can "facehug" a human directly and implant with the need for the egg/facehugger stage.....one extra arm to put onto that chart.
Sorry....
that is also bullsht... He looked for pregnant women to facehug them .... into Vagina?? The more "alien" films they produce - the more shit is coming.
I'd just rather ignore that stupid shit from that movie, gayest shit ever
Shuhister i dont think its for the vag. I think they do it for the hormones that pregnet women have
I loved that movie, and definitely a stage worth noting!
Considering the only alien that we see in the that movie (been a while, sorry), besides Predalien are normal Xenos, it can be assumed that the predalien is a producer and carrier of Xeno embryos, like the face hugger. Predalien seems like an incredibly unlikely situation, but I don't know much about Predator biology which might be the reason for the production of the embryos. Also, the Predalien can implant multiple embyros at once, instead of the one-and-done facehugger.
My God Kyle, you really went above and beyond this time! All the more reason why I love you! 😂
This was the most research-intensive episode I've ever done. Pages and pages of notes. -- KH
Like how many pages we talking about here?
Ben Oliver 666 pages
Kyle...
...there are comics you need to read.
Somewhere between the films, documentaries and interviews, they mention the Xenomorph being a silicon based life form, and not carbon based like we are. This presents an interesting scientific challenge of combining DNA between such different bases.
He's totally Thor
Diego Pinheiro so thor and loki combined??
Diego Pinheiro wasn't that Loki
..........SURPRISE MJOLNIR.
rohT yllatot s'eH
Jordan Stone as his hair and beard grow longer so too does his science nerd power
I like to think the Alien movies are in two different universes.
The Ridley Universe and Cameron Universe.
The Ridley Universe:
Alien
Prometheus
Alien Covenant
The Cameron Universe:
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien Resurection
I'm probably wrong but this is how I make sense of the Alien Movies.
Well the movies work in a time line that is difficult to map with the avp movies. It goes:
Prometheous
Alien covenant
Alien
Aliens
Alien III
Alien resurrection
But when we take the times of all those movies into consideration of the AVP franchise it messes things up
Xanthropus
Personally, I think Ridley's version made everything complicated. Thats why I stick to the comics which stays somewhat true to the Cameron Universe like th Xenos being natural animals in XenoPrime.
@@bunfudderlegreat1275 actually not really think of when Prometheus
@@bunfudderlegreat1275 just put it in cronological order AVP happened in early 2000's while Prometheous alien covanent, alien, aliens, alien 3 and alien resurrection all happened late 2100's so there's the timeline
AVP
AVP Requiriem
Promethious
Alien covanent
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien resurrection
And in my own theory I believe that avp is what showed people in the government what this is there for causing them to send a team into space looking for these creatures
@@bunfudderlegreat1275 Don't forget that Blade Runner is also canon in the Alien universe
"Face hugs a bad scientists" A more symbiotic relation ship has yet to be invented!
Why is the face hugger so cute?! Every time you say it, it's like "hai, :3 yes that is me hello"
no
yes
You are weird
yes
"The hammerpede,the vagina snake thing"Thor-2017
You deserve a bigger spotlight. I love what you do. Brains and nerd stuff. Perfect blend of facts and fiction.
If a xenomorph somehow infected a kyrptonian (it's possible through the crossover in each world with Mortal Kombat), could the chestburster even get through?
Probably yes, 'cause chestburster should be made from same stuff as a host. Right?
Sleeping Backbone makes sense
if it happened then God help us all
Marc Reimer there was a cross over comic with Dc comics and 2000ad comics, one had superman getting some face hugger lovin' and wasn't to shabby a comic either.
Logan Storm oh
did the face hugger succeed
Marc Reimer in the comic kriptonian survivors ended up with chest busters busting out but this was while under a red star, when superman got back to earth it could not get out or do him harm internally, didn't cover how he survived having organs converted while the chest burster went through its chastisement or whatever ever the word is. But the kriptonian boy scout lost his rag and went all kratos on the xenomorph queen.
Thank god kyle just explained what I've been trying to say for years... THE EGG CAME FIRST and he used the same argument I use
Kerr Grubb I'm saying too that egg was first, but with another argument; before birds there were dinosaurs.
The egg can't come first though. The chicken is clearly the faster runner. -_-
well not if the egg is rolling down hill
The chicken and the egg argument is really about which is correct: Religion (God created the CHICKEN) or Science (the true chicken EGG came from not quite chickens).
No Spencer. It's about whether chickens or eggs are better in a race. And clearly even the egg is faster than you if you can't keep up with that :P
There's a problem with this whole life cycle though, the mural in Prometheus makes it seem like the Xenomorph existed prior to the Black Goo. Perhaps it was a species that already existed and they were experimenting on or one that went extinct and the Engineers used residual DNA to develop into the goo and weaponized it?
TBH It seemed like David tinkered a lot with the anatomy and DNA of offspring of the goo, species on planet and Shaw's remains. It would explain the finger like appendages and vagina like underbelly of the Facehugger.
One thing that doesn't fit is the mechanical like appearance of the Chestburster/xenomorph. The different variations of Xenomorph I kind of understand as it is gestating inside the host and possibly sharing DNA from the host to adapt. But how does a species adapt to include mechanical features?
I dont think the classic xeno was literally mechanical, just had features that made it appear mechanical.
Giger’s (or however you spell it) drawings for the original Alien were obviously done in his style which focuses heavily on dark organic machines and freaky sex. I think that was the only reason for the look.
Cinemawins suggested that it could be a mural to the engineers religion
I watch a video with a possible explanation saying that the mechanical features will appear when David uses himself as a host to make The perfect Xenomorph
@@pabelhughes7231 🤔
Could he even be a host? Well maybe they could use his frame as a sort of artificial womb, but wouldn't he lack any real genetic material to influence the offspring?
I know he's advanced, and has features to seem more... like a 'true' organic living being, but isn't it basically just like 'decorative' and not actually anything with DNA/RNA/whatever? Kinda like Data in ST, I mean. Like, yes, there is skin and whatnot but it isn't actually 'living material' but advanced inorganic materials that simply mimic the function/appearance.
It's been a long time since I watched any of these movies so maybe I'm forgetting something that explains this and totally negates everything I said. 🤷♂️
"Oh I'm not a bad scientist I won't" lmao, fucking priceless
Darrien Vanfossen The crew of the Covenant are even fucking worse. The scientists in Prometheus took off their space helmets when they found out the air was breathable. In Covenant, they never even wear them. So much shit could have been avoided if they just wore their fucking helmets.
vsGoliath They already knew the air was breathable in Covenant, so you're wrong.
It doesn't matter If the air was breathable, what matters is that they were on a DIFFERENT PLANET with DIFFERENT ECOSYSTEM with DIFFERENT VIRUSES and they wasn't immune to those viruses, bacterias etc.
That is why the crew of the Covenant are even worse.
Have you guys ever took the time to think that if you hear a frequency from a planet that sounds like music assuming human life is there and that it's worth the risk to go there without protective equipment?
Of course, however whos to say THEYRE friendly xD
This is so complex that the Holy Roman Empire looks simple
Maxon Toepperwein Because Austria
It is neither Holy nor Roman, by Jesus it isn’t even an empire. *and that good sirs is why I’m the only person in my friend group to actually like history*
daniel c.santana Right, but for a thousand years it has had been a great deal on our planet!
Do you know what they say about the Holy Roman Empire.
It wasn’t holy, it wasn’t Roman, and it wasn’t an empire
@@tubekulose The Holy Roman Empire isn't The Roman Empire or The Roman Republic, its whole other thing. Unrelated.
I would be curious to see a full life cycle for the Deacon and Neomorph, since both seem like they could be seperate 'sister' races to the classic Xenomorph. but I suspect neither will show up again.
ZE GUU
It's more like "ZA GOO"
E-GOO?
"LE GOO"?
LE GOO, LE BAAT, LE EGGLY!
ZE BURGER! *pink panther joke*
Until Alien: Awakening I guess
Well, the "classic" Xenomorph that appears in the first Alien movie exhibits biomechanical features (and if you remember, David is trying to create the perfect organism, and the classic xenomorph is just that), so I think it is fair to say that David eventually manages a way to use himself as a host to create the perfect organism - how that even works is beyond me, but if you remember, the black goo only affects organic substances. In Prometheus, there's a scene where David drops a bit of the black goo on his finger, and it does nothing to him. Though admittedly there's a lot of contradicting info, but I personally find this as a cool classic Xenomorph origin explanation.
Alien: Awakening? Did I read that right? Is there yet another xeno film coming down the pipe?
Alex Felton There was. It was supposed to be between Prometheus and Covenant. A lot of the props were sold off and it's rumored the movie got canned ever since Disney bought the rights. Covenant bombed at theaters so it's very possible no more Alien movies. Hope not obviously.
Just thinking of Sora teaming up with Ripley now :3
11:09 After Kyle said Alien: Resurrection, he realises that he misses something. It's so funny LMAO😂😂😂
Ze goo 9:50 10:06 10:15 10:22 (Many instances of "the" goo) 11:54 11:57 12:17 12:36 13:22 13:30
But Alien Covenant has a Protomorph not a Classic Xenomorph....I think.
YES!!
You're correct
It is pretty much directly stated that the Protomorph/Covenant Xeno is just an evolution of the Neomorph and David's experiments. We can assume the Covenant Xeno just evolved from there to become more biomechanical, into the classic Alien we all know and love.
the novelization(and deleted scene) revealed that the covenant xeno was David's attempt at recreating the engineer made xenos
You're right Shubham Khatdeo. It is described as a 'Protomorph' in materials surrounding the movie, and it is subtly different physiologically from a Classic Xenomorph, having less in the way of overt bio-mechanical elements in its design. Come to think of it, we still have no idea where the biomechanical attributes of the Classic Xenomorph come from at all.
So... who's going to tell poor Mr. Hill he has to redraw his diagram yet again?
Now this was incredibly amazing! Not only did you explain something that couldn’t be explained (because it is bushtit to the square), you did it in a very entertaining way wile drawing a face hugger with the diagram that explains the lifecycle of the xenomorph. Dude this was art! pure art! (to the square!!)
do a video on how Spiderman's spider sense works.
J clown it doesn't
My name is Ozymandias, king of kings :
Look on my works, Ye Mighty, and despair !
My name is Ridley Scott, a great cinematographer: Look on my movies, Ye Mighty, and despair! (is more like it) 🙄😂
nailed it -- KH
Oh Shit! So the Byron/Shelley interplay between David and Walter goes beyond just alluding to the themes of Ozymandias as a text, it directly sets up Davids motivations and perhaps even his arc. If you substitute 'ultimate horror story' for 'perfect life form', then David is being motivated to create something of his own, which in this case is the Aliens, themselves a Frankenstein-esque conglomeration of DNA/artificial goo.
The Bat of Gotham can you quote the whole poem?
But Ozymandias wasn't written by Mary Shelly, but by Percy Shelley, isn'it ?
This is the best, if not the most in-depth analysis of where each form of xenomorph comes from while tying in every variant that appears in the movies. I don't think you need to update it for Romulus because it's the same xenomorph from Alien and Aliens. A job well done! 👍
And just like real biology, it's really friggin' complex.
This video is a Nightmare for people with Arachnophobia
Bill Nye The MLG Guy yes
yes it is.
it's one of the reasons i won't watch any of the alien films those facehuggers look a little too much like spiders and they jump at you not to mention the jumpscares they do
why? all the spiders in the episode got mutalated in horrid fashion
Bill Nye The MLG Guy i have arachnophobia and this doesnt affect me. thou i get an adrenaline rush every time i see a real spider.
How the hell did I get so many likes?
Take a drink every time he says "Ze goo". Make sure you can afford to get your stomach pumped!
Cool
My mint tea is ready!
Spiderman Homecoming almost here and Kyle hasn't done a video about the train scene in Spiderman 2... a man can only dream.
My latest Spider-Man ep will drop right before the movie comes out! -- KH
I love me some ZE GOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am thoroughly impressed by this. I and my friends got into a HUGE debate about this last year after we all saw Covenant. Between the six of us, we came very close to this conclusion. But what we hadn't thought about taking into consideration was the comments by the directors and examples/facts from real world biology. We went off evidence from the movies we watched and the comic book lore. Kudos!
Wait, do you write everything backwards?
Niko Opperman He writes backwards and flips the video. Simple magic. lol. I don't really know. It seems the easiest, I think?
Don’t you mean he just flips the video because if he writes backwards and flips the video then it’ll still backward
Yes he does.
Thanks, Kyle! You're awesome for this!
Unfortunately that mural back in Prometheus in the goo chamber with the giant head statue showcased a xenomorph like creature and that kinda implies that there was something before the goo, or possibly that was the final intended design before David ever tinkered with the goo in the first place. Sadly I doubt we'll ever get a definitive answer about that mural though, it feels like everyone including ridley scott has just kinda forgotten about it.
You sould do a video about Hot Rods (the french robot) time stoping gun in the new Transformers.
I think it could be that it produces a extremly dense dark matter spher (more Matter=slower time) and some kind of dark energy barrier to things from collapsing towards all of this mass
I agree with everything he said except that the Xenomorph wasn't already around by the time of Prometheus.
Because the engineer in Alien was fossilized and that only takes place 22 years before Prometheus so he had to have been there for millions of years and the eggs were already on the ship when they found them. Also in Prometheus, there is a mural depicting a classic Xenomorph.
So my hypothesis is that the engineers discovered the Xenomorph and believed to be the perfect organism and also the perfect weapon. So they weaponized the Xenomorphs DNA to both defeat their enemies and spread this divinely perfect organism across the universe.
this is a petty good theory how ever if the xenomorph was a naturally occurring creature some were in the universe then how come they haven't simply spared across the stars in In a tide wave of meannise especial if they are a supposably perfect lifeform. survive of the fittest, the strongest or most cable organisms thrive and supplant those that can not adept. and seening as the xenomorph is almost completely reliant on hosts to continue their race it would be in their biological interests to spared as far and as fast as possible. especially when they run out of hosts on their home planet. and considering that the xenomorph it self doesn't seem all that intelligent its unlikey that they could ever master space travel in any meaningful way before they simply wiped out the native host population before archiving space travel. and if they didn't if some animals and plants were immune to being face hugged. then their not a prefect race because no biologic organism can through evolution become perfect. so that leave's only three options as far as I can see.1. the xenomorph is simply the by product of mad science, frist by the engingeers and then by david. so any flaws can be removed as the product of trail and error creates the goo.2. the xenomorph are a naturally ocring creature and the engineers fond and thought. 'neat these seem like they might be useful' and then played around with the xenomorph creature/DNA to make them more deadly. then shit happened and lost containment and things went tits up.3. the xenomorph has a fricken long ass life cycle and act more like the reapers from mass effect than normal lifeforms. they hatch on a planet or what have you, use up the local fauna as hosts. once all the hosts are used up and the adults die off the eggs remain dormant until something pocks around (perhaps waiting for the environment to repopulate, perhaps even the galaxy) and the cycle starts all over again. (all the while spreading as far as they can. via peoples stupidity.)
I think #3 is the most likely although I don't think to reaper level. Because in nature an ecosystem is usually balanced and to balance the xenomorphs ferocity and deadliness it has a weakness in its reproductive cycle.
Meaning that whenever the Xenomorph population grows too large it starts running out of host which leads to population decrease. Just like if the population of a species of animal outpaces the available food supply the species will starve and thus the ecosystem rebalances itself.
I think the need for a host acts as a similar population growth counter balance within the Xenomorphs natural ecosystem.
Can I get a translation of whatever ancient dialect or forgotten language that is up there?
Vulpis Umbra are you being sarcastic or serious?
Mostly sarcastic but I was having a tough time reading what Mr Boneman said up there so I had to poke some holes at it
So the first stage of the xenomorphs is what defines a specie? Like if a facehugger of a colony of classic xenomorphs face hugs a dog and a runner borns, it would be part of that same colony?
I had a mini nerdgasm on the chicken/egg explanation; I've figured that one out since a long time, and I've never ever saw or heard anyone else saying that, even my friends I told about it just looked at me like I just came out with a joke solution. I mean, you just need a simple understanding of evolution to figure that one out, right?
It was always the egg
UrielManX7 which came first, the chicken the egg, or form of dianosaures dna
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only chickens lay chicken eggs
UrielManX7 it's the chicken if you ask which came first the chicken or the chicken egg
Can wolverine open his claw if his wrist are bent either up or down?
Canuk Science he logically shouldn’t be able to (or at least not without tearing through his wrist/palm to do so) as his claws are stored in his forearms. Despite this however, he has been shown to do so in X-men Evolution (is that what that show was called?) during a chase through the school. Which reminds me, why do his claws look like blades when he originally had only jagged bone spikes? Was that ever mentioned in the comments (it’s been a while since I read those).
daniel c.santana probably because of the adamantium skeleton and/or a e s t h e t i c s
Pyro Main probably the aesthetics then. And I suppose it would’ve been hard to make use of the “ cut through any material” thing when his original claws were better suited to tearing. Just kinda wonder if the scientist dudes from project x had to shave them down or something.
Juggled Lotus for some odd reason I feel like it might be a plot hole they ignored and I’m trying to rationalize. Might not be the most productive use of my time tbh.
Although I agree with the top part of the graph, the bottom has one error. The xenomorph egg created by David does not create the "classic Xeno" it creates the Protomorph, the Xeno-like creatures are the Protomorphs at the end of the film, David Acquires a ship and a library of human subjects of whom he perfects the formula and perhaps later fully evolutionizes the protomorph into the classic Xeno we know and love. I absolutely love your videos btw!
shouldn't the goo with "david's tinkering / shaw's eggs/ spores and wasps" part produce a protomorph?, then how did the cycle end with us having the "classic xenomorph"?
Zouse00 truthfully
Zouse00 hes going to have to wait till the next movie for the classic xeno
Zouse00 I think David impregnates himself with a Xeno and then it takes the mechanical attributes of an Android, and poof- Biomechanical class Xenomorph.
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Whatever embryo the facehugger carries, it carries human DNA to some degree that if it places that embryo within another person, would therefor produce the said "perfect organism". But if that were the case, David's work would be done, he would have no reason to utilize Daniels as he did Shaw (her eggs). It's obvious David has a lot more work to do to coin his "perfect organism" in the form of the true Xenomorph. "What did you do to her?", David's reply "Exactly what I'm going to do to you." I got an itch that poor Daniels is going to be the mother of our true Xeno.
It actually shows that he isn't done in the chest bursting scene, the "xenomorph" comes out as a delicate but fully functional xeno that then rapidly grows to full size bypassing the worm like chestburster stage entirely, and as for the biomechanical aspect the neomorph shows that engineers can produce those traits likely do to their genetically bonded biomechanics like space suits, which the engineer was wearing in Prometheus, which also explains the aliens ability to survive in the vacuum of space
Only problem now is... if the Classic Xenomorph is reliant on David to create the eggs and start the cycle... then how did all those eggs end up on a Space Jockey spaceship in the first film? Did David find a crashed ship and replace all its urns of *goo* with eggs from his newly created Xenomorph queen?
Dee Oh Dee A popular theory that is gaining traction in the Prometheus/Alien community is that in the next film (or in the film that directly ties Prometheus to Alien) David will commandeer an Engineer vessel in an attempt to escape either some colonial marine force and/or Engineer force that was off-world during the onslaught of Alien: Covenant. He realizes that his luck has run out so he speeds off into the stars whilst donning a space jockey suit a sort of insult to the engineer race he sought to destroy. Eventually a chestburster erupts from him, causing him to lose control of the ship and crash in LV-426 (correct me if im wrong in planet name). Now its not clear how and why an alien would implant itself into David but perhaps he begins to experiment with the black goo in order to morph his body into an organic one, thus becoming a true, *living god.*
The eggs on the ship can be a result of either two things.
1. The alien becomes a Queen and begins to plant thousands upon thousands of eggs inside the ship in preparation of the events of Alien.
Or
2. David wanted to save his perfect creation and thus brought on the thousands of eggs he created on the Covenant and/or during the events of the film that links to Alien.
But thats just a theory ;)
Read the comment I just posted for the answer to your question
Wow, just wow. Survey says... they should have left it at the first part and then my head wouldn't hurt. Awesome job!
Hey Kyle? Sorry to burst your bubble, but... the "Xenomorph" in Covenant isn't actually a Xenomorph :/....it's a Protomorph....
Yah, the Protomorph don't have a chestburster stage and several differences in both physiology and temperament.
but its getting closer and closer too its original form
maybe david will fix it now because to me it look like david didnt like his protomorph concept it was too aggressiv and the skin lookt kinde ugly
it didnt have a exoskellet :(
but he has more testsubjekt now and will make a perrfekt xeno sooner or later
Nailed it!
David couldn't have created the Xenomorph. They were around way before humans made it to space.
Graham M. He didn’t create the xenomorph, it’s been stated
I thought he called them neomorphs?
on the movie prometheus at the 40'11" mark there is a mural and there is a figure that resembles a classic xenomorph how does that fit in if the DNA has not mix with human DNA before ?
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The story-based answer here, however unsatisfying, is that according to Prometheus, Engineers and Humans seem to have extremely similar, if not identical DNA. So its possible that general configuration of Xenomorph could have occurred in the past as a memorable accident, and example of the power of "ze goo". I wouldn't take it as gospel that the Xeno birthed at the end of the movie is the mama of all others, because that makes no sense with the timeline.
been waiting for something like this a long time, very happy with how it all turned out
In alien covenant you forgot the proto morph
Love the beard.
Please PLEASE update with Alien Romulus and the new creation!!!! Great video!
Kinda funny that the diagram of the life cycle is kinda shaped like a face hugger
Ze goo!
I feel like this should be required watching before every alien movie post covenant just so everyone gets an idea
Best video yet!
Thanks Issac! -- KH
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*KH!* Lovin' the thicker beard man!
You can grow one hell of 'stache!
Oh my geeerrrrd! this is so funny! and so so brilliant, thank you Kyle. I only just found this video 7 years after creation, and guess what……. Alien Romulus is just about to come out. I think we may need that lifecycle diagram thingy as a handout at the cinemas please.
If any one found this video confusing be glad he didn't use the comics or games cause you would hear 'empress ' or 'Queen Mother ' and make this video so much more confusing
It's a hierarchy. A very simple and linear hierarchy :
Drone < [Servant Class] < Queen < Empress < The Queen Mother
Is that too confusing?
I'm surprised no one just quoted "Ze GOOO"!
i know this was all for fun, but it helped me see the madness. i like the fact that it shows the current ways Xenomorph would work in movies. thanks!
But Predators used to hunt Aliens down as a part of their ritual long before David created Protomorphs using Dr. Shawns Eggcells. How did Predators then create their Xenomorphs?
they would of made the black goo and infected an early human for testing until it was completed perfectly
In answer to that the classic xenomorphs may or are an extinct race and I think the engineers already made them b4 but maybe and seeing as the cycle needs hosts to carry on so once they have eaten all there hosts they die out .... David is just experimenting and follow a breadcrumb trail that the engineers have already done
AVP movies are no more canon to the Alien movie universe, directly stated from Ridley Scott.
@@joelward4649 David still gonna to engineer to create the classic Xenomorph from Alien 1 as his experiments are still ongoing. AVP films were decanonized once Prometheus was created.
sorry but i do not see prometeus a cannon as it disrupts the time line of all alien films and books.
only way Prometeus can be cannon is for David to reinvent the Zenomorph as we have books about Zenomorphs from before the films (timeline wise)
In my opinion Prometheus and this whole Bio weapon stuff is shit... it destroys the thought off this perfect organism from the original alien movies Ps: I think u forgot about the Royal facehugger and that Ripley was pregnant with a queen
i agre, why is it caled alien and not mutant or the thing, prometheus sould have been prequal to the thing in my opinnion.
Honestly, I think the biological weapon angle and David's own tinkering in Covenant are Scott's way of trying to justify both life cycles of the creature. The initial version where it lays an egg, and of course Jim Cameron's Queen. Maybe it's a bit of professional courtesy towards a fellow director, instead of just trying to outright negate their contribution. And Scott said even back in the original film he thought maybe the derelict was possibly some sort of "bomber" and the eggs were the payload.
But that's the thing nothing starts out perfect. In alien
the Xenomorphs are finally perfected because of generations of adaptation and evolution, like with humans they didn't start out that way.
AvP 2 Requiem: I'm the worst Alien movie
Alien: Covenant: Hold my beer
Avisae I personally think the black goo is the product of the Engineers distilling the spores from the puffball-like mushroom on their home planet. Turning it into a liquid bioweapon. It just happens to act like a Pokémon evolution stone on more simplified organisms and reproductive cells. And that was not the intended result by the Engineers.
"Hammerpede vagina snake thing" I was dead after that lmao
Having a timeline of those films, l still don't get how the LV426 space jockey could be fossilized in just 20 years, while the engineer in Prometheus was in hibernation for more than 2000 years and woke up just as if it was still 'yesterday' when he got into the pod; and even the head from one of the deceased engineer was still in good condition when 'revived' by Shaw and the other scientist .
And about the eggs, it is still not convincing the theory which states that is David's creation; again, in Prometheus movie, the mural in the engineers' temple already shows the facehuggers, which it makes clear the engineers already had developed and knew about them. Which also can give a better clue about the origin of the eggs. And that can make more sense about the eggs in the LV426 engineer's juggernaut than any explanation that links David's experiment and the fossilized engineer in such short period of events.
They did created before, AVP proves that, David only recreated their genes
Well... almost time to do it over....spinebuster...
This man ran a marathon with this science! I love it!!
7:23 is my 7th grade science class
David did not create an ordinary facehugger he created a protohugger who produced a protomotph
Birdie millan Yes but without being able to produce a queen they lack the ability to reproduce without David. We can surmise that David made whatsherface (aka, replacement Shaw) a queen embryo host fully realizing the Xenomorph.
Technically every form is a Xenomorphic variant. The alt naming scheme is simply to distinguish different variants. Much like how pugs are still dogs but look nothing like a husky.
At the end AVP and AVPR there is the predalian which can essentially skip the egg/ facehugger phase so there's a new branch for yuh
What if it’s xenomorphs being used as bio weapons, like the Zerg in Starcraft?
Thegn P. Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t the Zerg created by the xel’naga after they created the Protoss in their quest for making a perfect organism? They failed both times, the Protoss having “perfection of essence” and the Zerg “perfection of form”. Those might be backward I always mix them up. Anyways, they weren’t really bio-weapons originally, but Arcturus Minsk used them as such by luring them to New Gettysburg with the psi emitter. The mission of the Overmind was to find the Protoss and assimilate them to fulfill the xel’naga’s plan. Sorry I love SC and the lore so forgive me if you knew all this already.
before the release of alien covenant that was the prevailing theory about the image of a xeno that can be seen in the engineer ship in promethium that the engineers found them and used them to make the black goo but that got all warped when covenant came out and was like nope it was david
@@elapidpython4378 Ah ok yeah the Alien timeline and lore I don't know as well because it is really convoluted. I need to rewatch Promethius because I did NOT understand it at all. I need to watch covenant too I guess, I'm not sure if I've seen it. I re-watched the beginning of the SC campaign and yeah the Confederacy was already secretly testing the Zerg as a weapon (which prompts the beginning of the game when the magistrate and Jim Raynor are arrested for destroying an infested Terran building.) But still, that doesn't change that the Zerg were discovered, not invented.
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I was wondering how AvP/AvP2 and Prometheus/Covenant, seeing you mentioned both storylines, would be compatible? Are aliens an ancient "perfect organism" used by Predators as a test by thousands of years or are they the result of an android's manipulation of a bioweapon in the future? It's been killing me for years now.
Nadie Leyva actually, Predator's aliens would be prior to David's aliens. This whole matter always confused me.
Sebas Coll Honestly I always assumed that the android was just re creating the xenomorphs. They still exist but humans havent found them but they find some of it in covenant.
David didnt create Xenomorphs. He used the Xenomorphs DNA in the goo to try and recreate a Xenomorph but made a proto morph. Even farther proof would be Waylands death in AvP, which resulted in his son taking over the company which then resulted in the creation of the first David model (synth).
@Nadie Leyva no because David us in the future he didnt create the Xenomorphs
The timeline is simple the engineers created life on earth using a substance from "the first deacon. Predators come to earth and help humans create pyramids (the pyramids are for them to take a combat test against Xenomorphs [hinting that either the predators brought the Xenomorphs or they followed them to earth and imprisoned them in said pyramids]).
Someone did some serious research and homework. Outstanding insights. Thumbs up and subbed!
Notice me senpai! After watching this informative xenomorph life cycle map I can officially conclude that this is the best interpretation of it I have ever seen! Well done sir. Well done.
Noticed! And thank you! -- KH
You can sum up most of the sequels with just two words....bad...writing.
The truth is always simpler, but more painful...
I never realized how much my nerdy ass needed this in my life. Thank you from the bottom of my chest bursting heart.
I wasn't here first but alreast I got garlic bread
SomeRandomGamerKid I had dinner before watching this video and I had garlic bread!
SomeRandomGamerKid I had dinner before watching this bust I dednt have Garlic Bread.
Mmmmm garlic bread *drools
PintOfSam PGC Lol:)
David Fincher, not David Lynch, directed then disowned Alien 3.
Dishoned *
This was the first video I've seen of yours, and I was really very impressed with what you do. It's entertaining and very engaging.
What would happen if a facehugger facehugged a classic Xenomorph?
A Facehugger wouldn't facehug a Xenomorph. Why do you think the Queen sat in a room full of eggs without being infected by its own species? Anyway, it would just create a standard Xenomorph. Xenomorph DNA + More Xeno DNA = Xenomorph.
What if a facehugger hugged a facehugger?
Then theyre just making out
It would explode like a chameleon standing on a mirror
One Word: "Inbred"
Nice hair
Honestly, I don’t even like the alien movies, or the predator movies, but when you were explaining it man I was hooked LOL great video!🐰
you forget the protomorph
The first 2 movies are the only ones that count.
I think we can make it simpler. GOO + "David" -> Protoegg -> Queen -> Egg -> A Host -> Chestburster -> Xenomorph with traits of the host organism or male drone that potentially could become a Queen with the host trait. As a "starting cycle". Than it's just Queen -> Eggs -> Hosts -> Chestburster -> Alien with host traits/male drone/new Queen ->...