Is Gaza REALLY Occupied? - Eric Weinstein
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- 💥Join us on our Journey to 1 Million Subscribers💥 Eric Weinstein explains why the Arabs are not under occupation in Gaza.
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two group of white guys fighting ...
one group of white guys chases another group of white guys out of europe ...
rememeber europe is their motehrland by birth right ...
meanwhile ... that one group of white guy from europe as mother land .. comes to arab land ..
and claims ... god gave land to his people ... (when god gave covenant to the chosen people... did he give it to particular people /race..)
also can a indigenious european albeit jewish ... can he really claim a land in arabia as his forefathers land ...
And Weinstein reveals himself to be an intellectual child.
Blaming Hamas for Israel's attacks and absolving Israeli with language like "dance with death".
Apartheid is a war crime, inalienably. It's children for children at this point and the Israelis are child killers number 1.
Eric be like "nahhh, look how malicious these child deaths are. Ours are totally kosher."
Sorry, I'll take the killer taking blood on their hands and sandles over the video gaming drone shooting army teenager. And call them both terrorist genocidal killers, along with the US.
Is this guy even good at math?
God no.
What's the one thing that a billionaire and a homeless man have in common? They both only have 24 hours in one day. Don't waste the most invaluable thing anyone has... time.
Don't bother....
They say nothing enlightening, but rather disgust me every other sentence.
There's literally no compassion for the people having war crimes committed on them.
Just "terrorism = bad" excuses
@@MattAngiono exactly. Pseudointellectuals that have nothing of value to say.
Not occupied but only one side has authority over what comes in and out over land , air and sea. Hmmm.
And the one side is called Hamas
@@Fab92-s6x I'm old enough to remember the same nonsense was said about the PLO before hamas ever existed. What you have is what people call selective memory. The PLO had long proposed a 2 state solution which Israel was never interested in for 2 reasons: 1) security concerns 2) zionist extremists (many of whom backed by zionists and evangelists in the US) want control and sovereignty over all of Palestinian territories (as evidenced by countless settlements surrounding Palestinian towns and cities making a 2 state solution impossible today). These are of course against international law but why should we give a rats ass about internation law or the UN.... the same body that proposed a state of Israel. What is tiresome of this debate is that there is no symmetry in negotiations: One side is powerful and is backed by the empire, and the other has little to no negotiation power. One side is the occupier and oppressor and has all the power.... that is all we need to know.
@@Zeidinho of course Israel has security concerns I can totally understand: A Palestinian state means a state with military power. Palestinians will never accept a state without the destruction of Israel and a genocide they would take into account (From the river to the sea....); so they would compromise but the maingoal is the end of Zionism. The funny thing is Israel offered a Palestinian state 9 times and everytime Palestinians answered with terror because in these offerings Jews still would have an own state. Israel shows a reaching hand for peace, Palestine answers with blood. Israel had to much patience with the Palestinians and their ingratitude and now Palestinians pay a huge price for that
Using all that intellect to not see the injustice of ethnic supremacy and apartheid.
Israel isn't apartheid. You're just a moron.
Zero criticism of Israel on this channel?
Offensive and stupid title. I've heard Eric's argument many times before: "Israel offered them a state. They rejected it. They don't want a state; they want us all dead. You can't negotiate with them. They are monsters/addled by religion/hate, etc." Eric cannot simply wave away international law because he thinks the Palestinians should have accepted the not-very-attractive "state" Israel offered, while it carried on annexing Palestinian land. The unavoidable facts are that the Palestinians are the rightful owners of land that is occupied by Israel, Israel is in violation of international law, and the fates of Israel and the Palestinians are bound together. If Israel wants peace and security more than it wants to take all the land, which appears doubtful, it will have to make an offer that is actually attractive to the other side -- just like in any negotiation.
Everyone knows Palestinians will only accept an own state WITHOUT a Jewish State. They had their chances and now they should face the consequences for their bloodthirsty ingratitude towards Israel
Exactly this guy is just another establishment hack
True, very true
As much as I like Eric, he is totally wrong on this one
Gaza has a population of 2.2 million, receives vastly more foreign aid per person than any part of the planet, and Hamas has a standing full time army of over 40,000 men.
This means that they have an army half the size of the UK, yet only have a population 3% of the size.
If you want to understand where all the foreign aid money is going, that would be a good place to start.
I'll say it:
*The aid money goes into the pockets of corrupt people.*
There you go.
#Truth
how do we make sure it goes to the right people?
@@notanonymous3976 I am not an expert on international aid distribution but I know one system that works: if the receiving party cannot prove that the aid is going to the right people, it gets docked by that amount. Rinse and repeat.
Its like in Somalia. If the warlords keep confiscating the food aid and selling it, you stop sending it.
@@TheWtfnonamez my local China shop is under control of a mafia, they had people kidnapped for ransom and they have to pay protection money. but i still buy from them as they are more desperate for financing and they still offer good prices. should i stop?
The cement has been used to buil tunnels.
it is amazing how many people is in total denial of genocide in Palestine.... i just dont get are those people stupid or evil?
3 men of Jewish heritage debate Israel/ Palestine.
Sounds like it’s not going to be biased at all
What do you expect the zionist to say.
If theyre not occupied, what's with the checkpoints? I get the principle of what hes arguing but that doesn't change the reality on the ground
The checkpoints are a border point, what is so hard to understand about these ? Just like all countries have borders. Its not a right to enter Israel, its a priviledge just like its the same to enter the USA. You think there is no backstory to these border points or the wall in Gaza or the wall surrounding Israel. They are a protection against terror - car rammers, people who stab Jews randonmly, people who blow themselves up ie the intifada 20 years ago. They have every right to protect themselves. Gaza was wall free in 2005. It was erected to stop maniacs walk across the border screaming AA with AXES in their hands. Its just sooo simple to understand and I have no skin in the game whatsoever.
"All animals are equal but some are more equal than others." (Animal Farm - George Orwell)
FYI talmudic juden think anyone outside of their group is less than an animal and they are the only 'Adamu' (humans), and everything else is their slave to serve them.
Leftism in a teacup
Hence, factory farms
Eric's point is ALWAYS that everyone else is talking about the wrong thing.
Now some 11 months into this still unfolding catastrophe, I'd like to see Eric in this discussion again.
What and when where the Oslo Accords ? Who signed them ? Who assassinated the Israeli prime minister for signing them ? Who then took over from Rabin and was / is he for or against the Oslo Accords ? Who is it that doesn't want two states ? I believe Netanyahu also used " from the rivers to the sea " for the state of Israel .
All these things are written in history and recorded.
The Hamas leader denied that there had been any attack on Israeli civilians even though the terrorists themselves posted their activities on social media of their own body cameras shooting passing cars on the road and shooting into and burning houses..
Yeah, they just got through the iron dome with no resistance from the IDF... Even ex IDF say that is suspicious.
@@g3nj1 ?? Got what through the Iron Dome?
What is suspicious about a few missiles getting through - no system is 100% effective.
Do you actually know what it is?
That's because literally every Israeli has to join the IDF...
It's a stretch for sure, but when you're locked into a prison and break out, what is to be expected?
Why are people partying next to an open air prison/ concentration camp?
A bit disgusting to begin with.
Many Israelis are incredible racist against Palestinians...
They say to just kill them all out in the open....
Those videos are all over.
There's also Israelis that say the truth, that these people deserve human rights and Israel is conjuring war crimes, but they are hated by the racists even MORE than the Arabs
@@g3nj1dude the iron dome protects from missile/rocket attacks, and was fully functioning and woke up most central-southern Israel, as huge barrage of those was fired as decoy op. One survivor of music festival told that they were crammed in concrete anti-missile shelter (apparently, in this area, it's a police requirement to have those due to vicinity to the border) - and Hamas threw in several hand grenades and shot the people there, himself survived only by being buried under bodies of others.
@@ivans3806 IDF propaganda
"i don't believe this is an occupied people ..... " your right, it is one of the biggest open-air prisons on the planet next to North Korea..... your moral compass is so off that its a wonder you will be able to find your way home after this interview ...
Sam, I have long been a fan, but use the damn coaster so your glass doesn't ruin the finish on the table.
😂 The savage
I used to think your channel offered some relief from the woke agenda, but instead its lts like another version of FOX. What purpose do you serve by being as one sided as the legacy media?
Kanye said it
I watched the full video where Eric continually trips over his ego.
I think he's definitely struggling with an ego problem here - basically telling people that they aren't welcome to have a conversation because they're too sheltered from 'reality'. I'm just not sure how he expects people to swallow the condescension.
@@waylanddavick9459 ‘Intellectual’ masturbation and bloody-mindedness.
@@waylanddavick9459 "anything that doesn't agree with my reality isn't reality." pretty closed minded and ego driven if you ask me.
(Just to be clear, that is my take on mr. Weinsteingoldburg)
@@waylanddavick9459 I'm not sure he does, but that doesn't make him wrong. I agree that well over 99% of Americans are woefully unprepared to have any kind of intricate discussion about the worthiness of Islam as a vehicle for societal governance.
Oh he says nothing intelligible let alone that rises to the level of self-assured grandiosity his posturing conveys. He’s a blowhard.
I’ve learnt to not give much weight to a jewish or muslim person’s view on this subject. They are too emotionally invested (understandably) and biased. The left and right divide in opinion is also very interesting.
They are out there - Gideon Levy, Gabor Mate.
Usually, but not always.
@@doscojones6404 I LOVE Gabor Mate!! 🕊 ❤️
The left/right divide is always very interesting. 10 years after it is always easy to that the right is 100% wrong and the (non-authoritarian) left is 100% right. Every time.
@@giordanobruno2509 Things change with time. Success breeds arrogance and that’s what’s happening with left currently. People on left are so much into moral high ground that they can’t see the obvious shortcomings of what they are supporting.
When Weinstein was talking about Vietnam, I remembered one night in the early '70s where the evening news for a moment showed a pile of body parts- heads, arms, legs, torsos - in Saigon that they were gonna burn as a bonfire.
Yeah, but he didn't get it right about the execution photo or the napalmed child, both were done by South Vietnam, not Americans.
punji traps and all
Did he mention the declassified CIA document about how the gulf of Tonkin incident was a false flag to get American support for the war in the first place? History repeats itself.
@@nuqwestr America was supplying the napalm. But he said ‘shown on our news” not that we did it.
@@nuqwestrThey had napalm ?
Very well said, this perspective is shared by hundreds of millions of people but never mentioned on TV.
By zionists, most people are for palestine. You low iq israelis are The minority
I don't care if you agree or not, but it's as "well said" as an autistic know-it-all.
This is one of the most disengenous interviews Ive ever watched with of course, very little pushback from the hosts. 1) It would help if Winestein didnt other Palestinians by just calling them Arabs. Do we only call Italians, French, Brits, etc.. "European" when talking about those ethnicities? Give Palestinians the same respect. They are Palestinians and not the same as a Saudi, Lebanese, Iraqi.... Also, anyone knows that the sticking point of all peace talks is the right of return enshrined in UN Resolution 194 passed in 1948 after Palestinians were forced off their land by Zionist terrorist groups like Irgun, Hagganah and Stern Gang. If EUROPEAN Jews could get restitution after WW2, and subsequently take Palestinian land, why cant Palestinians after the Nakba? There has to come a point where Europeans STOP TRANSFERING THEIR GUILT from the EUROPEAN HOLOCAUST to those living in the MIDDLE EAST, who had nothing to do with it.
@@g3nj1 At least he's being authentic, while showing some interesting perspectives.
As in, not being already chewn-through by the mainstream media since time immemorial.
@@susiex6669 Just yesterday I learned about Jew only zones in Palestine also known as "settlements in the West bank" and that there are Jew only highways there. And the whole Palestine is divided by them. My jaw dropped yesterday from getting to know this and I still can't pick it up.
If Israel is occupying land, who occupied it before Israel conquered it? And why was the previous occupation never a problem to anyone on the planet?
Thank you!
"Let me just disagree with the general thrust of what you said there" 😂
Loved that line 😂
Oscar winning editing right there!!!
I've never heard a more autistic quote in my life.
An excellent place to stop the video.
Ham Sarris in a nutshell.
There’s no occupation in Gaza since 2005. When people say “but Gaza is blockaded” - this means the borders are closed. 3/4 borders are with Israel and 1/4 is with Egypt. Neither country is willing to have an open border with Gaza, because of the extreme violence coming from there. They made their bed, and they’ve been lying in it for 18 years. Or 75 years even, when you come to think of it.
Why was epSTEIN invited to tour israeli military bases AFTER being convicted of trafficking children? This has NOTHING to do with the West and EVERYTHING to do with the talumd. FUCK PERDUE
Wrong. Since in June 2007, Israel imposed an air, sea, and land blockade. Israel restricts the kinds of goods that go in and out of Gaza. Gazans require permission from the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories to leave, and that is granted under rare circumstances. Blockades aren't asked for. They are imposed. And the one on Gaza is collective punishment imposed by Israel: the occupying power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.
who is occupyang Gaza? And have ever asked yourself why is there a blockade? It is not that black&white :( @@saolesaole
@@saolesaole they are blockaded because they want to murder all jews. If mexico was acting the same way Mexico would be blockaded.
@@saolesaole
"Since in June 2007, Israel imposed an air, sea, and land blockade"
I wonder why they did that. Could second intifada be the reason for it? Rocket launches m.b.?
"Blockades aren't asked for."
you are asking for a blockade when you perform rocket launches.
"the occupying power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory"
Gaza is not occupied.
"Israel restricts"
wait - I thought you've said "blockade".
btw. What holds an Egypt from removing the blockade?
also. Where do you stand on gay rights?
Dang, another “intellectual” to take off my listening list.
keep going and you'll end up with a list of "intellectuals" with shit for brains lol. Do send a copy to me so I know who I don't have to waste my time with.
Bye.
It is no more complicated than what Eurpean immigrants did to the native American population.
Meanwhile in the West... Protestors in the US and UK chanting "From the River to the Sea" are expressing the exact same ideal as the protestors in Australia chanting "Gas the Jews," just re-worded to not offend the delicate sensibilities of people who aren't willing or able to think about what those chants actually _mean._
Anyone else tired of gaslighting? How stupid does Eric think we are?
sam is a smug idiot
Very stupid.
What a Spin Master! .
Listen to Pappe for accuracy please
Since he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, it's a safe bet he thinks everyone else is dumber than he is
You've got to imagine that *NOT EVERYONE IS EXACTLY AS SMART AS YOU ARE.*
If you manage to make that first thep, then you can also imagine that maybe explaining something to someone else could make sense, *EVEN IF YOU YOURSELF ALREADY UNDERSTAND IT.*
That's no gaslighting, the more appropriate word for it would be *teaching,* or maybe a *lecture,* a *speech,* an *interview,* an *opinion,* a *premise,* a *clarification,* a *summary,* an *explanation,* a *briefing,* an *introduction,* and so forth...
Gaza are absolutely occupied.
Is it me or does Eric Weinstein look like Micheal Myers from Halloween?
I very much enjoy him. But his arrogance gets in the way a little bit. Saying things like this is gonna sound crazy because you’ve never heard anybody say it before makes it sound like we can’t come up with ideas on our own. And people that listen to these longform interviews can definitely come up with ideas on our own. That’s why were here not to learn so much as to remind ourselves that we’re not crazy and our instincts are correct. So I know he’s got the kind of autistic Frankenstein thing going, but tone it down a little. And maybe use 10 words instead of 350 when only 10 are needed. Often times he says so much he says nothing. And I am a huge fan. And I am a flea compared to him intellectually for those who feel the need to attack or defend. But I can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Yeah, but you just gotta let people blab sometimes
He meant you don’t hear his perspective in the media. I think it’s arrogant to tell someone how to express themselves. That’s plain rude. Not everyone has a sort attention span.
Yes, this man is unbelievably arrogant in all subjects.
If you can't get past a person's tone in order to get to the meat of the subject discussed then you're not intelligent enough to get it either way.
Put your fragile ego away and listen to the facts instead of being too offended to listen. That's some faggy leftist trash mentality.
He demonstrates the bigoted and prejudiced attitude of a Jewish Supremacist.
And we still haven’t heard the other side’s perspective
Have you been living in solitary isolation?
@govangirl3897 u know!!
one of the best, simplest, most compelling dissertations of on the Islam problem ever produced. Thank you sir!
Why was epSTEIN invited to tour israeli military bases AFTER being convicted of raping minors?
Why do they have to accept anything?....................it used to be fully theirs, before it was stolen.
You probably meant to say "before they attacked Israel from within that land... They have to accept because they started a war and LOST. And no, there wasn't a single Israeli person in those territories when they started it, so guess what - the "occupation" wasn't the reason for the war, it was the arabs wanting to destroy Israel - period. Thank god - they lost, and there is a price to pay for waging war and losing. "Stolen" lmao. Had they accepted the existence of Israel rather than started a war to try and destroy it - there would have never been any occupation. Oh, and btw, the land taken, was taken from Jordan who controlled it back in 1967. There was never a palestinian state there. Curious if you're a hypocrite liar or just ignorant.
"Fully" whose? Arabs'? Jewish minorities had no property rights?
Yeah and before that it was... Israel, "before it was stolen."
@@scramptha5949are u f*cking stupid or what? this is selective ignorance. pull out any map from before 1948. everywhere it says palestine. there was no israel. now dont pull a map from f*cking 3000 years ago showing the kingdom of israel. those children of israel were actual israelites, not these modern israelis of european origin who migrated to palestine and then stole their land and says they have a right to the land just cause they are jews. lol
idk man, locking up an area and controlling its water supply for years sounds pretty occupied to me
They've gotten billions and billions in international aide. They could have built their own water supply, instead they built rockets from water pipes. They destroyed greenhouses, instead of using them for profit.
@@charlesmuhmanson3928 You think it's free? How cute.
*Water, electricity & fuel.
@@charlesmuhmanson3928 And you realize if Israel didn't allow Gaza et al to have water and power - because Israel controls decisions on their infrastructure - then the world would really easily be able to see they're all prisoners, but that'd be another too obvious war crime that the propagandists couldn't easily cover up and sell to their blind ideological mob following.
They’ve had plenty of chance to desalinate their own water or get utilities from egypt
EW is awesome and puts a perspective on this by saying we are not prepared ...and he's right. However, we better get prepared.
Ifr the borders of the USA were controlled by the Chinese, and the Chinese were building settlements inside the USA, I think most people would accept that as evidence of "occupation". And in Gaza, it isn't just the land borders. Israel also controls Gazans access to the sea. No one in or out without their say so.
You are funny. You talk as if Israel illegally stole a fully sovereign nation. Nope they were just lands owned by Jordan and Egypt that were won by Israel in yom Kippur war. Remember land won fair and square by a legal war. By war convention Israel does own the land. Also Jordan and Egypt have given the land over to Israel officially and signed peace treaties.
Now the Arabs can jump up and down and stomp their feet and say the land belongs to them. Nope it doesn’t.
By international law and war conventions, Israel owns all of the land it owns and it can choose to do what it wants. Which is why no one can even bring this to an international court and make it a case. The judge will throw it out.
Then include Egypt in the "occupiers", because they share a border and do the same thing, not wanting anything to do with the Palestinians.
Also, China does own land in the USA.
Exactly. It doesn't take a genius to see that ... But you did give a great simple example so I'm thinking you're pretty smart.
@@amyb.6368 china owning land in the US is not a good thing and shouldn't even be possible.
@@amyb.6368 Egypt doesn't control sea access to Gaza, nor does it control land border access to Gaza. Or rather it only partially controls land access. It controls access to Egypt from Gaza, but it does not control access to Gaza, nor does Gaza. Access to Gaza is controlled by Israel. China owns land in the USA, but it does not force the USA to sell it land, and force USA citizens to move so they can bulldoze existing housing to build settlements.
Simplified down: which society do you want to live in? Any Islamic, one or Israel? If you were gay for instance.
Jews hate everybody else and spit on Christians and Arabs so...
Why would you frame the question to only cite a single miniscule percentage of humans? That's extraordinarily short sighted and incredibly biased.
I find it funny how Jews claim this is a holy land when they’re hosting gay parades
@@nathanclaspell6003 Are u saying you would choose Islamic society or you just making farting sound with your brain?
@@nathanclaspell6003would you move to an isl amic state?
I'm not necessarily pro Palestine, but I think the argument is if China came into the US and took over Texas, why would it make sense to negotiate with them to split the land?
Last time I checked, the Chinese aren't indigenous to Texas.
@@lari5891 I see, I did not know this. But then it just makes it a technicality? People still lived there
@@lari5891 but didn’t the Jewish settlements arrive after the Arabs were already there?
@@Alex-xi3bw some, the arabs got there after Jews and greeks. Most jews were dispersed. Then Jews started buying land much before the establishment of Israel. So they were jewish and arab landowners. They were supposed to respect each other after the establishment of the states
@@Alex-xi3bw It's more complicated than just, "The Palestinians were there first." Israel was the Jewish homeland a long time ago, was conquered by the Romans, who later tossed the Jews out because they caused too much trouble. What follows is a long history of one empire or another "owning" the land, ending with the British in the first half of the 20th century. Some Jews lived there under the British, as did some Muslims.
After WWII, the British kept control of the land. The Zionist movement wanted a Jewish homeland, and they wanted their old land (from 1900 years ago) back. Bear in mind that Jews had not had a homeland since they were dispossessed by the Romans. There was a long, complicated process whereby the "Palestine" issue was decided by the British and ultimately the UN. And yes, the Brits did offer a dual state solution to take into account the non-Jews living there, which was, as lari5891 says, was refused.
It's an interesting question to ask why the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab states didn't try to throw out the infidel British, but did try to do so with the Jews. Probably because they thought they could beat the Jews, or maybe they have some special antipathy to Jews -- as many other groups seem to.
Bill Maher said something interesting last week. "If Hamas laid down its arms, there would be peace. If Israel laid down its arms, there would be no Jews living in the Middle East."
The only sane solution to the issue is two states. If you could get the Jews to leave Palestine, who would give them a state? So, it's more likely the two states would need to be in Palestine. Not going to happen, because sanity is in short supply these days.
True-ish... they are not occupied in Gaza, they are imprisoned and live in apartheid. But the lands that were historically home to the predominant ancestry in this part of the world (Arabs) have been forced from their homes and from their land since the 1920s. This kind of "reporting" beggars belief and lacks all credibility for this channel.
I love Eric Weinstein but I don’t agree with his assessment and I don’t have to hear Sam’s to know his.
Was the state the Palestinians were really offered really worth it? Is it Palestinians or you who likes the phrase you cite, “from the river to the sea”? Isnt it true that all Palestinians reject the idea of Israel? What is Israel’s vision of two states? Netanyahu doesn’t have one. So who does, on the Israeli side? Israel’s failure to have such a Vision - and instead to cling to the demeaning view of the Palestinians - - makes it only logical that they would kill as many Palestinians as possible. So isnt the ethnic cleansing you accuse the Palestinians of wanting to perform on Israelis actually equally true of the reverse?
I have nothing but the upmost respect for Eric Weinstein but he didn’t have much to contribute in the conversation about Palestine/Israel. It’s like he was avoiding saying anything constructive and was dancing around his bias against Palestinians. I think he knows he has it and doesn’t want to show it too obviously or something
That's just you projecting
@@_Schwartz maybe you could help me understand what his general point was, other than his critique that none of them are fully capable of discussing the conflict adequately since it’s all much more complex and nuanced than what Sam, the trigornometry guys, and Eric are all equipped for.
Because that’s essentially all I could gather from the extremely long winded rhetoric that Eric was espousing. He’s not normally like this from what I’ve seen out of him in other conversations. He’s normally a highly contributing conversationalist and I’m pretty much always extremely impressed with his thoughtfulness, his insight, his intellectual wit, and his capacity to analyze things from incredibly unique and thought provoking perspectives.
But all I was hearing him say was basically that it’s a waste of time talking about the conflict between the Palestinians and the Jews because it’s all way to complicated.
It felt like Eric just kept pushing a non-starter to the conversation and came across a bit like a wet blanket.
But if you’re willing to help me understand what I was missing and help me see through my minds own projections, I’d be profoundly grateful. Even just a super basic/minimal, generalized, cliff notes style summary of what Eric’s point/s were, excluding what I described hearing him say would be so helpful to me!
But if you’re not able to or are simply uninterested in helping me grasp what Eric was saying, that I was missing, then I understand.
If Palestine is not occupied, why does not Israel retreat into 1948's borders?
Because Israel won the war Arabs have started. See , it is that simple.
If ducks can float, why are ducks not baloons?
@@dogbert52 Ah, a zionist.
well they retreated unilaterally from Gaza 20 years ago, displacing 9000 Israelis living there at the time, but it didn't turn out too well for their national security, did it?...Who's to say if they retreated from the West Bank, it wouldn't also be turned into a terrorist state controlled by the likes of Hamas?? Also, not even the Palestinians in the West Bank are 'occupied'. They are ruled over by the Palestinian Authority. Only Jewish settlements fall under Israeli rule.
@@alexmch-s4651 So sweet from Israel. But you know that those "settlements" are on occupied land, right?
Man you guys are definitely not biased huh
I supported the cause for a Palestinian State for years. I had the chance to see videos recorded by Hamas that few people saw. And I must say that I no longer support their cause and I am convinced that there should NOT be a Palestinian State.
Could you elaborate? You mention interesting things
Is it because Hamas are basically Isis?
t. Jew
@@gacek5036 An agricultural worker from Thailand, not a Jew, had his head hacked off with a garden hoe by HMS/Hamas. I saw it too.
Cool story bro.
Eric out of his lane, driving on the wrong side of the highway 😆
The History of the imaginary Palestinian state:
1. Before Israel there was a British Mandate, not a Palestinian state
2. Before the British Mandate, it was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state
3. Before the Ottoman Empire Was the Islamic State of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state
4. Before the Islamic State of the Mamluks from Egypt, the Arab-Kurdish Empire was the Ayyubid, not a Palestinian state
5. Before the Ayyubid Empire was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem was the Umayyad and Fatimid empire, not a Palestinian state
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, the Byzantine Empire was not a Palestinian state
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were Sassanids, not a Palestinian state
9. Before the Sassanid Empire was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state
10. Before the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state
11. Before the Roman Empire it was a Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state
12. Before the Hasmonean state was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state
13. Before the Seleucid Empire was the Empire of Alexander, not a Palestinian state
14. Before Alexander's empire it was the Persian Empire, not a Palestinian state
15. Before the Persian Empire was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state
16. Before the Babylonian Empire were the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state
17. Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was no kingdom of Israel in the kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state
18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel was not a Palestinian state
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an accumulation of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state
20. In fact, in this plot of land kingdoms fell and fell .. But there was never a Palestinian state or a people
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But they are a people they do exist. I don't see how this gives any credence to another people taking what they have.
Exactly! Wish I could share this!
@@devanman7920they are mostly arabs, former subjects of the Ottoman Empire. They are a mix of people, some were there for generations and many others migrated there coming from other places. As a distinguishable people they're a creation from 1964 and now - yes - we can say they are a people: a people born from the rejection of Israel and the presence of any jew in that land they claim as theirs.
@@Camarelli from places that don't want them back.
None of them have been there as long as the people of Judea
Following the 48 war, Egypt and Jordan annexed Gaza and West Bank from the territory of Mandate Palestine
I don't remember Gaza and West Bank being called occupied territories between 48 and 67
cause it was arab land and they just took it back from the terrorists israelis who stole their lands and displaced a millions palestinians in the 2 nakhbas combined. now dont tell me u dont even know what the nakhbas are. and based on ur response and the side u picked, i take it that u dont know what the nakhbas are.
As always, Eric brought the topic to a much higher level, and I appreciate him for that. Live long and prosper 🖤
We got a smoothbrain over here!
@@g3nj1Yeah, he does have a Neo-Neanderthal thing going on with him.
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@@TimothyDeSomerville physiognomy is real
This is one of the most disengenous interviews Ive ever watched with of course, very little pushback from the hosts. 1) It would help if Winestein didnt other Palestinians by just calling them Arabs. Do we only call Italians, French, Brits, etc.. "European" when talking about those ethnicities? Give Palestinians the same respect. They are Palestinians and not the same as a Saudi, Lebanese, Iraqi.... Also, anyone knows that the sticking point of all peace talks is the right of return enshrined in UN Resolution 194 passed in 1948 after Palestinians were forced off their land by Zionist terrorist groups like Irgun, Hagganah and Stern Gang. If EUROPEAN Jews could get restitution after WW2, and subsequently take Palestinian land, why cant Palestinians after the Nakba? There has to come a point where Europeans STOP TRANSFERING THEIR GUILT from the EUROPEAN HOLOCAUST to those living in the MIDDLE EAST, who had nothing to do with it.
“Those who want to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state should support the strengthening of Hamas and the transfer of money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy, to differentiate between the Palestinians in Gaza and the Palestinians in Judea and Samaria.” -Netanyahu 2019, Likud Party meeting
I love how in the full talk everyone thinks Eric is giving strange stringed speeches but in clips he’s endlessly praised xD
I noticed that too. Reading the comments before watching the episode I observed a very different Eric than the one described.
Ha, came in to observe this! Eric got savaged in the comments for the main episode, and deservedly so if you ask me. This moment, however, was interesting and certainly stands on its own.
He’s a genius savant except for when he’s insufferable. I love him
YES! That does sound crazy! And that's because it IS crazy! @Eric Weinstein Your logic and conclusions are faulty and biased, you need to pause and rethink this a bit!
All I know is, Persia tried to invade Greece (and failed). The rest of history is the consequence of that.
They paid Sparta to crush Athens, so Persia did conquer Greece through proxy.
This did backfire as no one took Macedonia seriously enough...
@@BenAHowell754paid Sparta? Where are you getting this info from
I think simply what I want to say is, thankyou!
Thankyou for allowing this conversation!
I will probably relisten to this interview several times.
There is a lot to unfold between Sam and Eric.
But it is this debate, disagreeance, listening to others that leads to better outcomes.
South Africa was under Occupation for years & ppl like this man. Were say in there in no problem. The came up wit so many theories that there is no Occupation in SA were had to fight ANC was called terrorist organization for years. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist. He was on US terrorist list til 2018 at much as everyone in the world called a Hero.
As South African, I know that someone's may call u a terrorist but yet u r a freedom fighter for ur ppl.
The United Nations itself says it is illegal ocupación. Are we now even denying this?
The next time the U.N. says something that's not anti-Israel will be the first time.
@@d.s.6268 don't make me start liking the UN please
UN is full of commies and terrorist lovers. Israel is right to ignore them
The 'organization for condemning israel'? Give me a break. They refused to condemn the hamas attacks. Sorry.
Ah, the United nations, that font of truth!! ..."The United Nations itself says this!!!! So, it must be true!"
Huh?!?
This guy is delusional
Eric proposes something and wanders off in wordland. Other youtubers have actually proposed that Gaza is not occupied through facts, not a personal belief.
aww sorry muffin you'll get what you want some other time
Anyone claiming that it's not occupied is just playing pedantic word games. It's been under military siege for years.
Wait which person said Gaza “is not occupied”?
No Jews have been in gaza since 2005. They packed up all settlements, and gave up more land as they left. Hamas immediately fired rockets into Israel afterwards too.
@@clicheguevara5282well seige is not occupation, you can't just choose whatever word you want, and it is not a seige, it's a bockade to block weapons from entering, because look what hamas does
Brilliant explanation by E. Wiensetin. Especially emphasis on the violence against Jewish faith essentially embedded in Islam.
Gaza is occupied... by Hamas, a terrorist group who has embedded their military sites into the civilian infrastructure ensuring mutually assured destruction for Gazans even if they don't support the resistance. Also, they repress any dissenting voices and operate illegal drug and arms trades, and are more of a gang than some dignified guerilla army org. Also, their top brass isn't even suffering along with everyday Gazans, they are wining and dining in Gulf countries -- they have a financial interest in keeping Gazans suffering to keep the cash rolling in for their b.s cause.
It's not occupied, it's been turned into a ghetto, isolated, controlled by land and sea. I really can't imagine why they don't like it 😂
they brought it upon themselves by literally electing a jihadi islamist organization who says they wanna die in jihad and kill as many jews as possible. they elected these people and then Israel and Egypt deny them the ability to gain strength which is fairly reasonable
If you belive what you wrote... what is funny about it? Why the 😂 icon? Or are you willingly lying to promote your agenda?
Agree Arabs turned themselves into ghetto dwellers, when and where have the not turned their lives into shit? Dont blame external forces for Arabs refusal to accept the defeat in so many wars they have waged. The victor will never grant Arabs their wild , imbecilic demands.
40 kilometers of Mediterranean coast, could be a rich paradise, but they teach children hate and violence instead.
And not just by Israel but no one shouting about Egypt or other countries
Netanyahu's father coined the river to the sea argument
'His picturizing of Vietnam war is so subjective, no wonder he didn't mention what american nationalism did in Vietnam, now the only thing that remains is to blame Muslims for the Vietcong, who weren't even Muslims, but you guys aren't concerned about Islam anyway ain't it? True someone said that their new religion is state religion'
What a piece of …work
Yeah delete my comments more because I called out the clear bias of someone named Weinstein talking about this topic...
the sad part of this present conflict is that Gazans will be worse off than before living in a place worse than before. Hamas will survive but Gazans may ask why? maybe. it will take years to rebuild with West democracy funds. Gazans will be a 6th generation of abused professional 'refugees' in the end.
Eric Weinstein and all his high falutin flim flam
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Why did Jimmy Carter say that Gaza was a humanitarian crisis in 1975? Why does the situation remain the same in 2023?
Mossad
where is the Palestinian perspective in these discussions; can you get Lowkey to join 🤔
The terms 'occupy or occupier' are just propaganda terms to delegitimize the existence of any jewish state. they aren't just referring to the 'designated' palestinian areas they're referring to the entire area. isreal is not allowed one square inch in their minds otherwise they're 'occupying'.
the best thing for the area would be to let israel 'occupy' the palestinians so that they aren't actually occupied by the islamic militias.
Yeah they are not occupied but many international legal frameworks say so, even the idea of a American white Jew comes to take a home of native Palestinian
You offered reservations to native americans and took their land. is that what you are offering to palestinians? Big reservation called Gaza?
Not at all they want them forced out into Sinai/Egypt!
@@SaneAsylum Weinstein is parroting a zionist lie already debunked by Chomsky
Except native Americans are legally entitled to a full & equal citizenship to the United States
@@bri_____ Or complete sovereign nation status within the United States!
That only shows how ignorant you are. Read history.
These people are nuts😂😂
Love convos like this. We need more of this, no matter the side you take.
No, we really don't.
By convo I assume you mean self aggrandizing circle jerk.
You guys went full propaganda
paid for by hasbara israel
The more I hear Eric speak, the more I respect him. Thanks for this clip.
He's quite dishonest. Completely fails to mention the expulsion of Palestinians from their land and homes prior to that very simple choice he presented initially
Would be like saying "The french had a choice to either resist or coexist with the Nazis"
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"He's quite dishonest. Completely fails to mention the expulsion of Palestinians from their land and homes prior to that very simple choice he presented initially"
you feken don key. What a great and honest take! Losing a war that you started 80 years ago as an excuse for t3rr0rism.
@@haizee2330
"Would be like saying "The french had a choice to either resist or coexist with the Nazis"
If France wasn't existing as a country and Nazis would propose them to live in piece - your analogy would make sense.
btw. I am not sure if you are aware. But no one is accusing Germany nowadays. B.c. it resolved 80 years ago. So yeah - I love your example. It's like continuing to fight the Nazis in Germany in 2023. You are pretty much spot on, besides Palestinian mentality is much closer to Nazis. But - I'll give it to your example untouched as even in this way it shows how evil you "people" are.
Eric thinks he is saying something that makes sense but it only makes sense to those that agree with the horrors in Gaza
#FreePalestine 🇵🇸
You guys need to have the other side...to preface a debate with the idea that a people were given a choice, it is super simplistic, also without sounding so crude who the hell are you to give someone a choice of leave this house and go make your home somewhere else.
C'mon trigger, you are losing all your credentials as people who tried very hard to gel balanced
Can you please interview investagative journalists and historians who specialise on palestine and israel such as: norman finkelstein, ilan pappe, chris hedges, abbey martin, just to name a few. Mainstream media are ignoring these vital voices because they come with primary sources and undeniable facts instead demanding you what to think and feel.
Those aren't vital voices.
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Thank god there is someone out there arguing for complexity and nuance... we have left both behind for bread and circuses and our children will pay for that.
West Bank is Occupied; Gaza was Blockaded but not Occupied
I am not able to understand one thing - Protesters across the world are shouting "Free Palestine" As per my understanding Palestine (read Gaza) has been under PA & Hamas rule since 2006, and as a separate state been receiving millions $$ in aid ever since....Gaza has not been occupied by anyone else from that time, so what are the protesters shouting about?
The blockade of Gaza and the continued annexation of the West Bank.
Yes, these so-called Palestinians are not Palestinians at all, they are Arabs. The original Palestinians were the Peleset Sea People (the biblical Philistines), and they came from Greece in 1150 BC and spoke Greek. Modern Arab ‘Palestinians’ only arrived in 700 AD, some 1850 years later, and stole the lands and name of the original Greek Palestinians.
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This so called americans arent americans really, right? They came from europe, asia, africa... Nobody is from anywhere. We all are moving for thousands of years. Using anything to justify surrounding a city and carpet bombing children, women and all the rest civilian population is tribal. West is more concerned about abandoned dogs than other human beings. Would it be horrible to you to drop bomb on 7000 puppies and dogs? Inocent ones, just because mad dog bited you? Maybe that way is easier to picture that because the dog is clearly more valuable than a child. Right?
By your logic, Egyptians are not Egyptians, Libyans are not Libyans, Syrians are not Syrians, .....? They are all Arabs. I see. Then Europeans are not Italians, French, Spanish,, ....So, who are Europeans then?
@@zaraig5373 just people. We are all just people
@ruliliru2378 yes, we're all people. We also have different cultures and ethnicities and nationalities. Both of those statements are equally true.
@@zaraig5373 You are so close, but still so far. May be your children will figure if Arabs are Egyptians, or may be they wount.
Thank you this says more than anything I’ve listened too in the Thea last few weeks …
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Also, another important question is, who created Isis, Hamas?
Google "Israel created Hamas". You'll find lots of articles on this, including the Wall St Journal". Or look up Ron Paul explaining it to Congress on TH-cam. Israel funded Hamas from the start.
That's a good question. I bet if we looked into it we'd find that the US government has poured money and weapons into both sides of this conflict.
Where did they get their recent influx of weapons for the attack, and how did they get through the iron dome and the IDF with no resistance with such a barbaric attack?
My comment’s probably gonna get deleted (and I don’t feel like getting thrown in YT jail again) but I’ll try to answer your question:
I - I.s.r.a.e.l.i.
S - S.e.c.r.e.t.
I - I.n.t.e.l.l.i.g.e.n.c.e.
S - S.e.r.v.i.c.e.s.
Wow! So putting periods between each letter seems to work. Time consuming but if the comment/info. is important enough to get out there, it’s worth it. 🥳
So you mean to tell me that that Isreal military wasn't occupying Gaza all of these years that Hamas grew and made those rockets from digging up the water system the west helped build? 😮
have a closer look at the offer and you’ll see why they refused it.
Islam is not complicated. It does not deserve that respect.
It is an ancient tribal belief system from a tribal warlord.
Apart from that comment. Brilliant.
This is a semantic argument. No, Israel is not physically inside Palestine. But there is a wall and checkpoints, Palestinians are not free to come and go as they please for whatever reason and all their daily necessities such as fuel, food and drinking water are controlled by the Israelis. In reality, Palestinians are not free. Maybe not occupied but they are not free as we are or Israel is.
Weinstein??? Lmao
Hahahahahah IKR
"He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth."
Aaand that was the point I finally understood that Eric Weinstein is uncontrollably insane. I’d thought he was over the line before, but gave him the benefit of the doubt. Wow
Great argument, bro. I especially liked how you didn't just call him names, but went into the specific reasons for your stated opinion.
@@Bonez0rI didn’t attempt to make an argument, just like Eric here. He just asserts what he says is true, with no evidence whatsoever. And it’s not the kind of middle of the road statement that isn’t expected to have evidence, it is a really extreme statement. So yeah, if you can’t find the insanity in his statement here, I can’t help you much.
@@alst4817 You are asserting that Eric is insane.
But you don't even know him.
I will therefore assert that *IT IS MORE PROBABLE* that *you* are the insane person here, *not him.*
Although admittedly, I don't know you either.
Maybe you are *both* nuts. 🤷♀
But he sure *SEEMS* more reasonable than yourself.
(#CognitiveDissonance, #Moronics101, #Assumptions101)
Well, even though he gives no evidence or explanation for his extreme views, let’s be fair to him and say at least he has some knowledge of life in Israel, as he seems to have lived in a Kibbutz for a couple of years. And that’s just the kind of environment where extreme views on this subject are frequently met. How good is his Hebrew? Does he speak Arabic? How did he study this extremely complex topic? His views appear to be of the same quality as ‘some guy in a bar told me’.
Eric has a bad theory for everything
They are offered a choice ? Really ?
Don't defend genocide please.
brilliantly put, and then at the end, the machine says "I disagree with the general thrust of what you said"...
I hate machines.
It was Ben Gurion who originally coined the phrase from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Yup. He was referring to "Greater Israel". ..and it was also Zionists who coined term "Final Solution to the J-ish Question" - back in the late 1800s when the evil German moustache man was still a baby.
He coined the term Mesopotamia?