By winning the final squat clean and jerk workout of the 2008 CrossFit Games, Jason Khalipa put himself on the map. Three years later, he attacks the squat cleans in Open Workout 11.3.
dscisci is making a valid point, regardless of how well it's articulated. The point he's making is that if you tell someone to "clean" the weight, there's no specification as to where the bar must be caught. Specifying "squat clean" requires that you go below parallel with the received load. To dscisci's point, which is easier: power cleaning 95lbs or cleaning 95lbs with the requirement that you also perform a full depth squat before fully extending your hips? Squat cleans are decidedly harder.
We include 'squat' because we often clean weights that do not require a full squat to get to the front rack position. There is no part of Olympic lifting rules that require a full (below parallel) squat to call a lift a clean. But we know we are not cleaning our maximum potential without pulling ourselves into a full squat under the bar. So - that said, a workout including cleans with a 95# barbell is common. Specifying 'squat' cleans makes it more challenging forcing the squat.
Yeah, I love Crossfit, and it's what I do, and it's great. But I agree with the bad combo of high rep Oly lifting/competition. Doing high rep oly lifting for time is fine, but you should always, ALWAYS be willing to sacrifice time for form. If you add a competition in, people throw form out the window.
lol everyone's bashing on zombie guy down there. Crossfit is the greatest fitness program which is why it's globally acclaimed and growing phenomenally Crossfit-insanity-P90x-dumbbell curls I've tried all of them and Crossfit smashes by a landslide. bash Crossfit all you want, you'd be the first to hit the floor huffing for air and crawling to the water bottle. btw, jason's a beast (bearilla) I was very impressed watching him do this WOD
***** If critique can only come from those on your level, then most professional coaches would be out of a job. Professional athletes are respectful and wise enough to seek advice from many different avenues, even those that are less physically gifted. They may not choose to accept it AFTER hearing it, but they definitely don't shirk it off because someone is below them. I say this from the experience I knowing and consulting many professional track athletes. Considering a fair amount of Crossfitters come from track, I'd say they'd be of a similar opinion.
My point is that many of the professionals I've talked or trained with look at critique not from the person who gives it, but on the argument is presents. I'm not a professional athlete, but if I respectfully offer a (possibly) new and different viewpoint on an issue, I shouldn't be ignored simply because of my background. The words should speak for themselves. For instance, take the athlete at hand. He's a Crossfit champion, a tremendous athlete, one of the best in the world at what his does. His Olympic lifting form is subpar. Why can I say this? Khalipa full clean is only ~20 pounds more than his power clean. This isn't attributed to weak legs, either; he squats over 450 pounds. He's not efficient with his movements. I can say this with confidence even though he lifts than me because general weightlifting proportions (65% snatch : backsquat ratio) support it.
***** It makes sense that most professional athletes would preferentially speak with other athletes versus some random TH-cam commenter. My only point is just because I'm not a professional athlete, doesn't mean my arguments carry no weight; I just have to put meaning and reasoning into my words, rather than rely on clout my abilities produce. My background is in highly technical and explosive sports: track and field and olympic weightlifting. For these sports, because so many different biomechanical positions are needed, what one person notices as a technical flaw may either not be visible or ignored to another. Additionally, the ability to recognize and describe the flaw (or success) in these positions may be possible, but physically displaying it may not. Many, many coaches are able to describe a position, and do it in slow motion, but don't have the strength, timing, or experience to show it in full motion. If they are able to recognize and articulate in a meaningful way, these technical issues, but aren't able to perfect said positions themselves (because let's face it, they're hard to do), should their argument have no weight? I don't have to throw the discus as far as Okoye to know that his inconsistent flight discus pattern is because of his hand position, and likewise, I don't have to lift as much as Khalipa to understand that a rounded back in Olympic lifting isn't ideal.
kind of, the only real difference is that you start the push press with the momentum from coming up out of a full squat. a push press doesn't have you come up from nearly as low.
Stop calling it a squat clean. The very nature of a clean is that it is received in a squat. If you don't receive in a squat, it's a power clean. Same for snatch.
The matter here, Dan, is that due to the light weight and high volume in Crossfit, there has to be the specific requirement of recieving it in a squat position, otherwise most athletes could just power through it. Also, you're objectively wrong. The nature of a clean isn't that it is recieved in a squat, it is that it is recieved in the front rack position. More specifically, one movement that takes a resting bar from the floor to the shoulder. A power clean is also a "clean" and is valid in Olympic Lifting competitions. Just like a power snatch or a muscle snatch. These aren't used for the obvious reason that you can lift less weight, but in smaller events you can see athletes performing power openers.
actually i wouldn't ask how i have a cert III and IV in fitness and am currently working in the industry and i agree as a power lifter you would have much stronger legs but how are you with olympic lifting? it;s two different things not saying that powerliftng wouldn't come in handy becasue it most absolutely would. :D
@zombiefitnezz one video that is 14:44 long doesn't get the message across. Need to do more research before forming an opinion like any good researcher.
thanks and i agree there are some veryy egotistic crossfitters out their i've trained with some in the past as well but where i do it now the people aren't like that. but i myself do oly lifting seperate from CF and it has helped a shit load with my CF in terms of lifting technique which is where a lot of crosfiters falter some of them just need to get of that high chair of theirs.
I am really looking forward to the study results on crossfit in the years coming, Herniated disks and joint dysfunctions under massive amounts of people involved in crossfit, i am telling you 5:22. Everybody who claims this is a healthy sport is mad.
Γιώργος Τσακάλωφ the snatch isn't a bad movement, but taking a highly technical movement and executing it as quickly as possible form is bound to break down, and with heavy weight it's a recipie for disaster
In every sport, if you want to be a competitor, at some point, you gonna get hurt. Simple as that...so crossfit is no more dangerous then lets say tennis or baseball...i dont even wanna talk about soccer of football...
What male weight is favored by this competitive work out regimen? I imagine it is between 185 and 225. A male of 125-155 is going to struggle lifting his own body weight or more while larger framed men only have to lift seventy percent to their weight. Too bad it favors specific body types.
Im sorry but thats a ridiculous speculation. Oly lifting heavy for power or light for endurance are both great and serve different purposes. BOTH come with a certain level of risk. If you think for a second using maximal loads in ANY exercise is safer you're crazy. Search "chinese olympic lifters" on here. These guys are masters of the Olympic lift, and one of them actually says "I'm just happy if I'm OK after training". Crossfit is a sport like any other, like any sport risk is involved.
projekt84 No, a clean is getting the bar from the floor to your shoulders. So if people can power clean it, that's gonna be the easiest way. So they call it a squat clean. Just like a thruster is a front squat and a push press, but a push press is just a small dip and press without any sort of squat.
E Bona The exercise called a clean is the olympic lift in which you catch the bar in a bottom squat position. Doing it any other way is an entirely different exercise. Such as a power clean, where you have to catch the bar above parallel. There is no real exercise called a squat clean. You are either doing a clean, or a variation of it.
Yeah, but people that compete at these levels don't do it their hole life. It's like anything though, distance runners, Olympic lifters,body builders, football players, athletes all around.... they all end up doing something negative to their body. Pain is the glory though, and being good at something takes sacrifice like that.
Yes, but most sports, actually try to minimize that risk.. And humans have already found the way to minimize the risk of lifting, crossfit just choose not to follow them..
What a monster. Huge for a crossfitter.
Seems like such a nice dude too
8:09 You're Welcome!
Savage, awesome effort, hard earned results.
Jason Khalipa is a freaking monster. In the best most wonderful way possible.
Love his additude! Go Khalipa
dscisci is making a valid point, regardless of how well it's articulated. The point he's making is that if you tell someone to "clean" the weight, there's no specification as to where the bar must be caught. Specifying "squat clean" requires that you go below parallel with the received load.
To dscisci's point, which is easier: power cleaning 95lbs or cleaning 95lbs with the requirement that you also perform a full depth squat before fully extending your hips? Squat cleans are decidedly harder.
need judges name for crossfit purposes, anyone know her name?
Ye sure sure
The name of the song is Tone Trump Hustle Hard
what's the name of track at 8.26min? thankd
We include 'squat' because we often clean weights that do not require a full squat to get to the front rack position. There is no part of Olympic lifting rules that require a full (below parallel) squat to call a lift a clean. But we know we are not cleaning our maximum potential without pulling ourselves into a full squat under the bar. So - that said, a workout including cleans with a 95# barbell is common. Specifying 'squat' cleans makes it more challenging forcing the squat.
commentator: jason khalipa coming down, looking like crap...hahaha
That first song is "Bring It Back Now" by Free Agent.
Anyone know what oly shoes he's wearing in the video?
what weight is he using at the beginning? fancy having a crack at it.
Great video. What is the name of the song with the lyrics: "Get money, hustle hard, I was born with my back against the wall" ?
Yeah, I'm going over that form again. So nice and the only reason I want to get into Crossfit. 8:08 to 10:XX
whats the song playing in the background at 6:17 to 7:24??
what are the songs called in this video??
Awesome. I wish I could do that many reps. Someday.
real talk bro
god damn dem triceps
beastmode
jason khalipa....
WOW...Just...WOW
Please name of song at the very beginning
Around 10:30
Love his reaction haha
A sport idol for sure
beast
How much do they lift?
Where can I get this shirt? Its my sons fave number and obviously to be worn by a legend I want it. Anyone know??
"A lot of hurt", my new expression.
What's the song that starts at 8:00?
name of the song at the beginning, sorry
what song is playing
i still can't get over how big this guy is for a fitness athlete
The first song ???
at what time?
Thanks, but that is the second song. The first one might be just a rap instrumental, starts at 0:05, then plays in background until 1:50.
Yeah, I love Crossfit, and it's what I do, and it's great. But I agree with the bad combo of high rep Oly lifting/competition. Doing high rep oly lifting for time is fine, but you should always, ALWAYS be willing to sacrifice time for form. If you add a competition in, people throw form out the window.
what song is that at 8:00
You squat after you clean. Squat-clean
song???
lol everyone's bashing on zombie guy down there. Crossfit is the greatest fitness program which is why it's globally acclaimed and growing phenomenally
Crossfit-insanity-P90x-dumbbell curls
I've tried all of them and Crossfit smashes by a landslide. bash Crossfit all you want, you'd be the first to hit the floor huffing for air and crawling to the water bottle.
btw, jason's a beast (bearilla) I was very impressed watching him do this WOD
And now he won in first place as an individual ( legends division)
Squat-clean requirement is that hips break parallel during clean hence the "squat" and the "clean" combined equals a squat clean.
Can someone explain how they prevent damage to spine when rushing?
Or long term wear tear?
cheers
they do not prevent this. you see that nice rainbow curvature at the start of every clean. yea thats bad.
***** Its not about what my technique looks like, its about research. Do you even science Mr Krancher? Do you even McGill?
***** If critique can only come from those on your level, then most professional coaches would be out of a job. Professional athletes are respectful and wise enough to seek advice from many different avenues, even those that are less physically gifted. They may not choose to accept it AFTER hearing it, but they definitely don't shirk it off because someone is below them.
I say this from the experience I knowing and consulting many professional track athletes. Considering a fair amount of Crossfitters come from track, I'd say they'd be of a similar opinion.
My point is that many of the professionals I've talked or trained with look at critique not from the person who gives it, but on the argument is presents. I'm not a professional athlete, but if I respectfully offer a (possibly) new and different viewpoint on an issue, I shouldn't be ignored simply because of my background. The words should speak for themselves.
For instance, take the athlete at hand. He's a Crossfit champion, a tremendous athlete, one of the best in the world at what his does.
His Olympic lifting form is subpar. Why can I say this? Khalipa full clean is only ~20 pounds more than his power clean. This isn't attributed to weak legs, either; he squats over 450 pounds. He's not efficient with his movements. I can say this with confidence even though he lifts than me because general weightlifting proportions (65% snatch : backsquat ratio) support it.
***** It makes sense that most professional athletes would preferentially speak with other athletes versus some random TH-cam commenter. My only point is just because I'm not a professional athlete, doesn't mean my arguments carry no weight; I just have to put meaning and reasoning into my words, rather than rely on clout my abilities produce.
My background is in highly technical and explosive sports: track and field and olympic weightlifting. For these sports, because so many different biomechanical positions are needed, what one person notices as a technical flaw may either not be visible or ignored to another. Additionally, the ability to recognize and describe the flaw (or success) in these positions may be possible, but physically displaying it may not. Many, many coaches are able to describe a position, and do it in slow motion, but don't have the strength, timing, or experience to show it in full motion. If they are able to recognize and articulate in a meaningful way, these technical issues, but aren't able to perfect said positions themselves (because let's face it, they're hard to do), should their argument have no weight?
I don't have to throw the discus as far as Okoye to know that his inconsistent flight discus pattern is because of his hand position, and likewise, I don't have to lift as much as Khalipa to understand that a rounded back in Olympic lifting isn't ideal.
whats the song at 8:00 ? :)
i like his shirt, can u get it online?^^
5:20 Why Jason will always be my most liked Crossfit athlete. LOL
crossfitHQ please tell the song of 11:48
thanks :)
That's why i watch crossfit videos...
kind of, the only real difference is that you start the push press with the momentum from coming up out of a full squat. a push press doesn't have you come up from nearly as low.
Min 10:13 is where the video really starts.
Well, on some WODs, but remember he is only 5,5 tall...that´s a HUGE advantage when it comes to lifting weights
Name song? 08:00
@element498 ty man :)
@harry092
yes, but yoga pants, so there's really no way of knowing for sure ;) She IS in a CrossFit box, though.
Those snatches are horrific!
Shit thanks for the heads up!
Stop calling it a squat clean. The very nature of a clean is that it is received in a squat. If you don't receive in a squat, it's a power clean. Same for snatch.
Just say clean or power clean. No nead to rename something just for the sake of it.
Denver had it right. A Clean can be a squat clean or a power clean. In a thruster, squat cleans are specified.
The matter here, Dan, is that due to the light weight and high volume in Crossfit, there has to be the specific requirement of recieving it in a squat position, otherwise most athletes could just power through it.
Also, you're objectively wrong. The nature of a clean isn't that it is recieved in a squat, it is that it is recieved in the front rack position. More specifically, one movement that takes a resting bar from the floor to the shoulder.
A power clean is also a "clean" and is valid in Olympic Lifting competitions. Just like a power snatch or a muscle snatch. These aren't used for the obvious reason that you can lift less weight, but in smaller events you can see athletes performing power openers.
look at those cannons!
does anyone recognize the shoes in 10:00min when doing the thrusters? They seem to have a higher heel..
DreamsComeTrue Nike Romaleos
@harry092 got a name? =)
actually i wouldn't ask how i have a cert III and IV in fitness and am currently working in the industry and i agree as a power lifter you would have much stronger legs but how are you with olympic lifting? it;s two different things not saying that powerliftng wouldn't come in handy becasue it most absolutely would. :D
He was fittest man in 08. He's pretty fit
@zombiefitnezz one video that is 14:44 long doesn't get the message across. Need to do more research before forming an opinion like any good researcher.
yeeeeeeah she squats
So then what does Rob Orlando do?
00:14, he so pressed that!!! No lift in state!!
In Olympic lifting, clean insinuates a squat. So it's called a clean.
That dude saying he doesn't belong in here or wanted to say that to him is so judgemental. I'm glad the guy onbe and shut that jerk up!
that thing is unreal. and its not reallybig but theres just something about it
HAH that and their flawless snatch technique, right?
thanks and i agree there are some veryy egotistic crossfitters out their i've trained with some in the past as well but where i do it now the people aren't like that. but i myself do oly lifting seperate from CF and it has helped a shit load with my CF in terms of lifting technique which is where a lot of crosfiters falter some of them just need to get of that high chair of theirs.
I am really looking forward to the study results on crossfit in the years coming, Herniated disks and joint dysfunctions under massive amounts of people involved in crossfit, i am telling you 5:22. Everybody who claims this is a healthy sport is mad.
poor camera man
snatch is olympic weightlifting. nice studying though many facts you have there. such wow.
Γιώργος Τσακάλωφ the snatch isn't a bad movement, but taking a highly technical movement and executing it as quickly as possible form is bound to break down, and with heavy weight it's a recipie for disaster
In every sport, if you want to be a competitor, at some point, you gonna get hurt. Simple as that...so crossfit is no more dangerous then lets say tennis or baseball...i dont even wanna talk about soccer of football...
HE'S AN ANIMAL!!!!!
Khalipa is my 2013 pick. Sue me
Did you even read my comment? In Olympic lifting, there's only 2 terms, Clean and Power Clean. Period.
Hustle Hard - Tone Trump?
w t f is the song, impossible to find any place :(
hehe...you got me!!!
damn girl!
my throat gets dry just by hearing him speak :o
He and Matt Mittrione sound like the same person.
What male weight is favored by this competitive work out regimen? I imagine it is between 185 and 225. A male of 125-155 is going to struggle lifting his own body weight or more while larger framed men only have to lift seventy percent to their weight. Too bad it favors specific body types.
165 pounds? woow 41 reps monster
Pause at 10:30. God bless yoga pants!
8:00 Michael Scott look-alike
I know someone is going to get mad at me for thinking that he maybe on the Juice.
Im sorry but thats a ridiculous speculation. Oly lifting heavy for power or light for endurance are both great and serve different purposes. BOTH come with a certain level of risk. If you think for a second using maximal loads in ANY exercise is safer you're crazy. Search "chinese olympic lifters" on here. These guys are masters of the Olympic lift, and one of them actually says "I'm just happy if I'm OK after training". Crossfit is a sport like any other, like any sport risk is involved.
lol, what was this about again? @10:12
cud be they have to be a bit more detailed when explaining a workout.........?
"squat clean" why
Not allowed to power/split clean it, has to be a squat clean.
E Bona a squat clean is just a clean, calling it squat clean is pointless
projekt84 On a squat clean you have to break 90 with your legs. normal clean you don't have to.
projekt84 No, a clean is getting the bar from the floor to your shoulders. So if people can power clean it, that's gonna be the easiest way. So they call it a squat clean. Just like a thruster is a front squat and a push press, but a push press is just a small dip and press without any sort of squat.
E Bona The exercise called a clean is the olympic lift in which you catch the bar in a bottom squat position. Doing it any other way is an entirely different exercise. Such as a power clean, where you have to catch the bar above parallel. There is no real exercise called a squat clean. You are either doing a clean, or a variation of it.
ever heard of endurance power training? look it up it's a tried and true method
beariLLa!
Yeah, but people that compete at these levels don't do it their hole life. It's like anything though, distance runners, Olympic lifters,body builders, football players, athletes all around.... they all end up doing something negative to their body. Pain is the glory though, and being good at something takes sacrifice like that.
11:54
Yes, but most sports, actually try to minimize that risk..
And humans have already found the way to minimize the risk of lifting, crossfit just choose not to follow them..
@harry092 i bet Jason tapped that
ME at 8:10 =D me at 10:31 =( hahaha
5:10 for him without a shirt! yes, im a guy ^_^