@@crowfoot8059 Hopefully the original comment can motivate people to take more meaningful courses of action instead of holding D'Angelo to impossible standards.
As he should. This kind of people is what made me stop using xuitter and instagram. IT'S JUST SO TIRING. And it's the same crowd that doesn't donate or do something actually helpful, but love to point fingers at others.
Nah, I think it’s something different. I personally think it’s the death of critical thinking and the rise of narcissism. What you said after is 100% valid though.
@@TheDanceMan567I think it’s both. Part of media literacy is having the ability to think critically and hold multiple truths at the same time. Right now, a lot of people are jumping to conclusions when someone says one thing but not the other. E.g. A simple phrase like “I like pancakes” turns into “Oh, so you hate waffles then”
People need to realize corporations price gouging the American people is also an extremely important issue. Life in the US is becoming unsustainable, and corporate greed and the crackdown on unions and wage increases is hurting millions of people.
Then his argument that he wanted the video to be light hearted means nothing since union busting and price gouging are heavy topics too. Might as well include the boycott as another reason.
But yeah financial crimes and bad companies are too underestimated when they lead to homelessness, lack of access to food and medicine and education, and everything. In this world, money is life.
@@jessy1982 Boycotting against a genocide shouldn’t be a “might as well” inclusion. It’s a deeply serious topic that you seem to believe should be thrown in to the conversation simply because it’s tangentially related. Boycotting against a genocide is not even on the same level as price gouging and union busting. Adding it would have thrown off the video and 100% come off as insincere.
@@themunmunmuny if a ceasefire happens watch how quick they heel turn to talk about how they will never support a politician who doesn't care about congo (or sudan).
No one had that take (or very few did). He's changing the issue to make himself a victim. People just wanted important context for why Starbucks sales are down to be mentioned in a video about it. It was a bad video idea that he didn't do that.
I'm guessing it implies he's not taking part in the boycott is the only thing I can see. They hear him say that and go, "oh, wow. he's still shopping there. he must love watching children die." It's so silly.
@@DoneBrokeDatBack that's crazy because he said in the video that he never had starbucks 💀 (unless he was reading someone else's comment but i don't recall seeing this specific line on the screenshot)
the same way they get "you hate trans people" out of "maybe we shouldn't give kids puberty blockers" edit: it only took about an hour. Y’all assume so many things based off of one statement alone. That’s the point. You can not get a full understanding of someone’s beliefs with one statement. Believing A does not equal believing B, C, D…. All the way to Z. The same jump from “Starbucks is expensive” to “you support genocide”. Y’all have killed the middle ground. Middle ground no longer exists.
@@JustLauraThatsAll I mean that is rhetoric often used by transphobes, and there are plenty of reasons even outside of being trans to give children puberty blockers. But I do see what you mean, there should be a discussion between “kids shouldn’t be on puberty blockers” and “you’re a transphobe”, and that just isn’t happening.
I'm Palestinian and brother I never doubted for a minute you supported us. I'm sick of non palestinians getting all offended on our behalf over stupid shit like this when they don't even lift a finger over the real problems. I'm tired of seeing every post about star bucks or mcdonalds or arabs or jews or anything even remotely related to Palestine get forcibly related back to the genocide by a bunch of performative activists who don't even understand what our struggles are like. Every time people do shit like this it makes our cause look worse, because we come off as delusional hot heads who get irrationally mad at everything. If I, a Palestinian whose family has been displaced and brutalized by the Israelis, can watch a video about Judaism or Starbucks or anything else and not get all up in arms about it, then you, a random ass american, should be able to as well.
i think guilt comes into play. a lot of us americans know that our country supports this genocide, that our tax dollars fund it, that we live in relative privilage while other people suffer and that our privilage is built off the backs of suffering, exploted people. i think a lot of people overcompensate for that because they feel powerless. it’s not our fault that our country opperates this way, but it’s also very difficult to change it and the people in power seem almost untouchable. however people like d angello are very accessible so i think that’s a way for people to vent their frustrations and guilt as well.
you don’t think that if enough people were acting on it, the US wouldn’t have a choice other than to stop founding the genocide? I’d say it’s a fact because it has indeed happened before. I want people to stop suffering from injustice, specially when my own actions have an impact on such injustice, you probably want the same, but we all need people to act.
@@misMEGAVIDEOS Bickering with people on the internet about starbucks is not advocating for change. The US govt doesn't give a single shit if you bombard D'Angelo Wallace of all people about his singular youtube video in the name of "stopping genocide". I've boycotted Starbucks, Mcdonalds, and the like since I was a little girl, because my whole family always has. Years before it became trendy to do so and the newest genocide started, my family and I advocated for ourselves and our people, because we've been suffering since long before October 7th. That is how we make change. Writing to your senators is how you make change. Protesting, educating, sending aid, and standing firm are what make change. If all you can muster up is harassment any time someone brings up starbucks or judaism or anything of the like, then you are no ally. I never said in my original comment that we shouldn't fight for change. All I want is change. What this is isn't change. The point of my comment is that I MYSELF AM PALESTINIAN, and I, speaking from my OWN PALESTINIAN EXPERIENCE, do not appreciate when people make fools of themselves on the internet for the sake of my people. If you want change, directing your energy onto stupid shit like this isn't going to bring it about.
@@fishfinn8689 Well said. I get tired of seeing these people with some sort of weird saviour complex jumping on trendy topics to “advocate” about when all they do is bicker with people about the smaller things that distract everyone from the bigger picture.
It's disappointing that so much of the conversation around the genocide has turned into people performatively yelling at others when they don't mention it in every context
Its just a "who is more moral" measuring contest now. Half these people just want to be viewed as "good people" and yet they spread such hate. Like that isn't helping anyone.
And this only further desensitised the majority and stops ignorant people from actually listening to what's is happening. They are doing more harm than good with their fake-activism.
I think they’ve become desensitised to the seriousness or what’s going on, and I think the reality that there’s not much they can do to help leads some to decide weird unhelpful behaviour like this might in some way help. It of course doesn’t. Some people I think are just trying to weaponise it and use it to feel better about themselves, which is horrific behaviour to engage in when it comes to this topic.
Who in their right mind thinks D’Angelo not doing a deep dive into ongoing genocide in a video about “coffee is hella expensive” is somehow the most depraved action a human being could take
Nobody expected him to do a deep dive into the ongoing genocide, they expected him to *mention it* at all when it is relevant to the subject of the video
@@VultureSkins y’all are weird. Let the dude say what he has to say. I’m sure he would have mentioned it if he felt it was something that would have added to the value of the video.
@@VultureSkinsthis is so puzzling to me. would bringing up a mass genocide and an attempt at ethnic cleansing dating back over 70 years not be a little distasteful during a video talking about CEO’s running their little coffee shops into the ground? to me, trying to say they are linked subject matters seems a little reductionist.
the word support seems to be something that we forgot the meaning of. saying you like this doesn't mean you support negative action taken against something else. not mentioning something that is only tangentially related to the actual subject isn't support of something either.
Straight to the point though, If he said something else then people would just misinterpret to frame him (Like what made him create this video), This world sometimes...
I think it's the fact that D'Angelo seems more accessible than a politician. It's also a common social phenomena that people will be more critical of their allies than they are of their enemies, because only the ally listens.
@@Shibouu59 it's a shame, because d'angelo ISN'T more accessible than politicians. he's a private citizen, an entertainer, while politicians have specific channels through which they can be accessed, because they are accessible to be the public, because they are public servants. really, this behavior is a blood relative of the "entitlement" outrage regarding chappell roan. d'angelo discussed the phenomenon very well there but that he's treated as a more "accessible" target of his audience's frustrations stems from the same entitlement. anyway, it may be a common social phenomenon, but it's also unreasonable and lazy on their parts.
yeah, where is this heat for kamala? she’s pro-israel and literally in the running to become the president of the united states, yet any criticism of her support for genocide is shouted down by weirdo fascist liberals. direct this energy towards politicians who have far more of a lasting impact on our daily lives.
The chronically online performative activists have reached a level of 'with us or against us" paranoia that is poisoning the support for their own causes and they're too unhinged to see it.
I mean, only amongst other chronically online peeps. People who are performatively anti-Israel shouldn't be a deterrent to being against genocide, those who are swayed by those types probably didn't hold that belief very strongly.
@@furrydbzI mean, a person doesn’t have to die in war to think people being killed in an occupation is bad. But yes, performative activists are very detached from the events.
Why does the internet need to be so hostile? Someone trying to prove they’re in the “right” by hurling abuse at another doesn’t make sense to me. I get a lot out of your videos and perspective and really appreciate the work you put in.
Most of these people don't know how to have a normal human conversation and would legitimately respond like this to someone in person. I know we talk a lot about people shielding behind online behavior, but I think we also vastly underestimate how many people just really fucking suck in real life.
@@decodas can u guys please learn not to respond to bots? it makes it look more "real" to algorithms when y'all engage with the bots. it's frustrating. if you won't bother reporting (misinformation) then at least don't make it harder to train YT to recognize them.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 its not a bot unfortunately and they are sharing real child corn according to a lof of people, please take the time to report them
Right? I could tell what the toke of the video was so I was like "oh we aren't gonna mention it, cool." Bc obviously there are other reasons besides boycotting which they have successfully gotten around and avoided
@@juratory8876 no, don't go that far, it's obvious that a lot that's happening this year has to do with Palestine facing a genocide, it's common sense i fear
people want to feel morally superior, not help the people of Palestine. you are right to focus your research as you do, that’s how good research is done!
It’s lazy activism at its finest. Boycotting a coffee shop, leaving a comment about it on social media, being angry in your first world environment far from the issues means Jack end of day. The REAL TRUE way they could support and help out Palestine is to fly on over there and fight front lines, but do you REALLY expect that of a chronically online teen lazily farming for likes by using surface level knowledge of world topics they got off TIKTOK?
PLEASE, STAY OFF TWITTER. It's become so severely terrible, I left for my own mental health, please, please leave it, don't touch it, it's so depressing and it's like throwing yourself into a tank of eels and piranhas that haven't eaten for months. Just because you don't say every single belief or stance outright doesn't mean you don't hold them, people jumping to conclusions and putting words in your mouth is so cruel and violent. Please stay safe!
@@pinkcupcake4717 I have a better time avoiding it on tumblr and filter what I can, but it is undeniably still present. Make sure you curate your online experience liberally for your own comfort. (Block, mute, filter, always!)
i don’t think people thought that he supports israel it’s was just weird to not even mention one of the main boycotts on a video about why starbucks is going down. but glad he made this video don’t think people should be assuming stuff like that
EXACTLY THIS. I wish folks could pull out of the social media mindset of starting petty little shit based on black and white thinking and start considering nuance in subject matter and learning it's impossible to address every little thing in every subject discussed
Why can’t these people put this same energy to their local government and like…actual substantial change. Yelling in TH-cam comments only gets you so far.
@@appaatemomo-freePalestineone of the them, such as arguing online, does virtually nothing but waste more time to make real change and donate. its more chronically online to fight with strangers on the internet knowing their stances won’t be changed lol
@@snubnosedmonke Critique is actually really important, even if it never reaches the person being critiqued. Plenty of other people are around here engaging with these critiques. For instance, why are you arguing with me if all it is is a waste of time?
@@appaatemomo-freePalestine people who blindly yell on the internet definitely don't have the brain capacity to do something of substantial change. "doing both" is idiotic. if you're actually dedicating time to contacting government reps you would know that performative bullshit is literally a waste of time and you wouldn't do it
0:30 yeah, this is wild. Your video related to a lot of other fast food chains and starbucks was an example of a greater issue. We got the point, prof. I get why folks could be upset or confused, but ascribing beliefs to people and leaving hateful comments... y'all.
The light-hearted series honestly was such a highlight in a pretty rough week, and I appreciate them a lot. Like it was actually mentally refreshing. So thank you tons for those. :D
Accusing you of supporting genocide is extra wild because Starbucks isnt even on the BDS list... AFAIK the starbucks boycott was over union busting, it just began around the same time as the boycotts in protest of the Palestinian Genocide. Anyway 0:01youtubes algorithm is broken it prioritizes highlighting comments that have timestamps.
Starbucks is on the Israel boycott list bc of the ties of its owners and shareholders to Israel. Many companies’ actual owners or parent companies have ties to Israel, so the boycott list is actually quite long. But I agree that accusing D’Angelo of supporting genocide was stupid and wild. He didn’t deserve. If you watched him long enough, you know that he’s a lefty and generally aligns with the oppressed.
Frrr and when it comes to genocide don’t even speculate about if someone supports it. Cause all you have to do is mention it slightly and people take it as fact
Because social media has encouraged this kind of engagement for years, I think a lot of people have been trained to engage in radically bad faith. Being outraged or outrageous has become a way of building a platform for oneself, and I think that's kind of tainted discourse in a lot of other places.
people need to stop being so chronically online because how do they have the TIME and ENERGY to assume a creator’s views and therefore actively badmouth them
FD Signifier just put out a great video called "The Online Left is Cooked" where he explains that online discourse has devolved into a brainrot of "gotcha" moments where people seem to mostly care about getting one over on someone else, regardless of how aligned in perspective the targets of their "gotchas" are. Its a bad look and an even worse way to have discourse with one another - no one is going to be convinced by a "gotcha."
Very measured and calm, reasonable response especially given the subject, thank you! As someone who is from and in the middle east (lebanese), I am very used to creators ignoring palestine entirely as zionists deny israel's actions all together (leftist on all things except palestine). It is very isolating and that has been the mainstream for decades. The gen0cide didn't start on oct. 7, it was well underway decades before that, and the middle east didn't get to this point of severe oppression over the course of 11 months out of the blue. I also do not look up personal info or social activity of the content creators I am subscribed to, as I prefer not to cross the line between creator/consumer so I had no previous idea of where your true beliefs fall regarding Palestinian human rights. So, I was honestly very worried (and tired of what we arabs have been conditioned to expect when killing cycle loops and starts again- either silence or hostility) when I saw that it wasn't discussed in the previous video. This is because I also assumed that a boycott would logically be mentioned in a video about a company financially struggling. I did wait for any developments before forming an opinion and I am glad I did. I do hope that people do not equate pro-palestinian rights voices (this is a human rights issue) with bullying though. We've been seeing atrocity out of atrocity come out of gaza with no end in sight, inflicted on the most vulnerable of people. It's horrifying. You're doing great man, and I hope you get the support you deserve. Your moral consistency and clarity is refreshing.
@@ShamandoraT yeah, unfortunately a lot of the comments are people doing the exact thing they are complaining about. A lot of barbs and jabs with assumptions about intent. It's very sad to see how quickly the comments here turned into attacks and simultaneously witness more horrors coming out of gaza. I think the best way I can describe my reaction to what has been inflicted on the palestinians is heartbreak. I feel sad and angry but the most consistent reaction I feel is heartbreak and i wouldn't be surprised if pro-palestinian voices are also feeling the same or other similarly strong emotions. We, the working class, shouldn't be cannibalizing each other in this delicate times.
@@apollidoe6651 thank you. In my opinion, I think the point people are missing is that Starbucks, McDonalds, and other big companies have always been horrible to their workers. Have constantly raised prices and prevented worker unions. The company of Starbucks starting to seriously financially struggle is something that probably did amp up during and after COVID, but that’s not solely due to COVID or its horrible practices. If that was the case, it would have struggled like that sooner. I understand the Arab frustration and feeling of neglect when the boycott isn’t mentioned as THE CATALYST for people finally organizing to stop supporting an already horrible company. I don’t see it as starbucks horrible company + stop their workers from unionizing + …. + …. And lastly because of the Boycott. I (and I think a lot of Arabs) see it as people organized to boycott starbucks BECAUSE they came out saying they don’t agree with the views of their union workers (pro Palestinian human rights view). The VP of starbucks said that at the time and the company sued it’s workers union over THAT. Over that view. And I can site my source here. So yes, not mentioning it as the catalyst for change is like not addressing an elephant in the room. HOWEVER, with all that being said, the jump to attack D’angelo is WILD and a bit of a reach. There is room for good faith here, especially because he DID mention the boycott briefly in the original video. It’s unfair for people to jump to extreme conclusions about his views as a whole.
@@ShamandoraT Thank you as well :) Yes, I think you summed it up very well and fully agree with you. I was anxious over the gap in information presented in the video, as I try to be conscious of who or what I support, but also did think there was room for good faith. I am also glad that the palestinian boycott helped expose starbuck's anti-union actions to more people (it did to me), and I would boycott over anti-union policies just as much as I would for palestine. We can do both, and we are much stronger doing both, no need to start attacking each other as the corporations go scot-free in the chaos. We're all in this together, no one is free until everyone is free. Thank you again for the empathetic and fair response in a fairly volatile comment section at the moment, it's very nice of you and I hope you have a great day!
If you are even VAGUELY familiar with this man’s content you know what his stance on these types of issues are. This is why he leaves the internet for 24 business years at a time.
People who are progressive tend to jump on people when they don’t say something or say something they hate. Palestine is a big issue (but somehow China isn’t) so they had to virtue signal their distaste
performative online activism is a disease and its making people rabid with moral policing and irrationality of jumping to conclusions and bad faith. i really hate this mixed breed of twitter-rightousness, instagram-vanity and actual political issues.
Because people did this doesn’t mean their activism is perfomative. It just means they made a wrong assumption. You’re also ascribing just like you think they are. Palestine should not be a method to support your favourite TH-camr, talk down on their “haters” or an be avenue for you to rant about what you don’t like. At least their “performative activism” is spreading awareness ad keeping accountability. If you truly care about Palestine that’s how you should be thinking. Do better. Be better
@@ilovekene9697 you're either ignoring or not understanding what is being said, making a wrong assumption isnt what makes it performative: its taking that wrong assumption as a green card to harass people in online spaces as if 1. thats going to help anybody 2. or be so chronically online they cant even consider that there are millions of ways to be politically active. i really dont care if you think they made a "wrong assumption", behaving the way these people have towards D'angelo is never okay. Also palestine was not an "avenue" for anything, people made* it a topic of conversation because other people literally forced his hand: naturally people are going to be talking about the general topic? there is no "method" or agenda here?? learn the difference between online activism and performative activism, genuinely.
@@womp3571 i stand by what i said and ngl im not reading all at when you could’ve even me assed to mention palestine once. to you it was never about them. free palestine.
It's actually worse. 54% of American read below a 6th grade level (as of 2020). It's sad that you were being generous. I got that information from Snopes, who cited data from the U.S. education system.
@@blacksuitnotie that’s very sad. I’m not sure where exactly we fall on the spectrum, but I know that Canada also has an adult illiteracy problem. Our public libraries run adult reading programs where I’m from. But still, I’m sure the waitlist is pretty long :(
It’s crazy how some people will yell at you for “not doing anything about Palestine” when all they’re doing is bullying content creators who are clearly on their side. Like how exactly does yelling at minor celebrities who don’t know you help stop a genocide?
There was one nutcase who said, "Taylor Swift could've ended the war with one tweet. It's her fault the war continues and she has blood on her hands" Those people have lost touch with reality. This is so parasocial, like you're expecting every celeb and influencer to solve the world's problem.
Most people who want to help people in Palestine need to help themselves before they try helping anyone! There is such thing as bad press even for something as one sided as what’s happening in Palestine. It’s like being an annoying ass vegan who never shuts up about it. Yeah they’re morally correct but it doesn’t make anyone want to change. Just being realistic. Call your senators and organize if you want to make a real difference. Most of the people who are that extreme about Palestine are chronically online and can’t even schedule their own doctor appointments let alone organize to fight an establishment that supports an active genocide
i guess some people believe content that doesn't mention a genocide when there's a genocide going on is wrong bc genocides are too important. which i guess i can understand, but idk. reality isn't like that, we still deserve other kinds of media, and we certainly shouldn't force all artists to make their art about the genocide. like. do my cat doodles gotta say "free palestine" underneath them before i show it to friends?
performative activism as always from the chronically online gang. they don't really care about the real issue, they just go around policing everybody, and it's exhausting
People seem to have forgotten that you can care about multiple issues at the same time. Workers rights in USA and human rights in Palestine are both import topics.
Same here. Like in this last year the only craze for Starbucks was a cup. Not a menu item. People went to target or drove to another city to find the Stanley cups. Not a drink or food item. I mean for me none of the drinks have been good for years. For most giving up Starbucks was an easy choice. And for some people it’s something to make themselves feel the moral high ground even if they’ve never actually stepped into one.
RIGHT?? I also remember people boycotting it during the pandemic because that’s when their anti worker nonsense was fully exposed for what it was. People haven’t been liking Starbucks for at least a decade.
Yeah like the prices were getting way too high for what I felt was declining quality in the drinks. I wasn’t going there NEARLY as often even before the boycotts.
Also lowkey we literally need content out there from liberal creators that is lighthearted. I know its not the same but as a trans person its so fucking difficult to find content that aligns with my beliefs that doesnt also constantly bring up all of the anti-trans shit going on in the world rn. Like yeah, i know, i literally live it everyday please stop reminding me when im trying to relax 🥲
I wanna clarify that this stuff absolutely needs to be talked about. But there also needs to be spaces where people can take a breath and chill you know
that kinda burnout is exactly why i had to leave most socials in 2020, kept getting videos on my feed of horrific acts of violence but apparently not wanting to see that kind of thing was selfish because "that's the reality some people have to deal with" like i already have trouble fighting off the overwhelming sense of dread at the state of the world, i don't need y'alls help making it worse, thanks
@Pasalallaamdjbdjjbdbd how about a more charitable reading of the comment? "Life is exhausting and difficult, and i spend all day hearing about and/or experiencing awful things and sometimes i would like to go home at the end of the day and be able to relax a little because i am just a person."
@Pasalallaamdjbdjjbdbdyou’re the kind of person he’s talking to in this video. Quit being such a disingenuous POS and acting like your entire existence is spent fighting for moral causes. Or have you somehow figured out how to only consume ethically under capitalism (which is literally impossible)? Humans need rest. Grow up and accept that for the fact that it is.
@Pasalallaamdjbdjjbdbdi see you keep going into comments and intentionally twisting them to fit a narrative you've made up in your mind. You seem to have control issues and are using acting out in the comments has a way to gain that back in your life. Their answers will never satisfy you. It seems like you don't want them to agree with you, you just want to control their responses to fit your own narrative. How about you just take a step back and evaluate why you need to respond to every comment in bad faith. The world is already unbearable. No need to join in.
Starbucks isn't on the BDS list, doesn't have a store in Israel and doesn't give money to them. The only things that ties them to this conflict is a dispute with their union over not wanting their logo on political material and the CEO personally supporting Israel without even giving money to them. At that rate you have to boycott everything to be consistent because most businesses in the US do that since it's a core tenet of Evangelical Christianity. Boycotts don't even work unless it's local or highly organized such as BDS. Before anyone accuses me, I'm pro-palestinian and there isn't even a Starbucks in my city.
Doesnt matter if its not on the list, we need to show businesses that supporting genocide costs them. Just like how makeup started saying it used no animal testing and fish starting claiming they were gotten sustainably. Now businesses need to make it clear they don't support genocide, and Starbucks did the opposite, so is being boycotted. This boycott spread and is an important cause for the Starbucks losses, so why not mention it in a video about that?
@@jessy1982 Again, most businesses in the US are zionist. It's not a cause of their losses, correlation does not equal causation. If the boycotts were at fault we would've seen these losses in October. The stock market is completely arbitrary anyway. Tesla is the biggest car manufacturer because they're a tech company, not because they sell the most. Even Trump's Truth Social is worth more than Intel. How exactly is the company supposed to find out your reasons for not shopping with them anyway? They will just do what's safest and stay neutral as Starbucks has done. The CEOs personal life is not Starbucks.
@@jessy1982 Starbucks has been clear on their position - they condemn all violence. It sounds wishy washy, but they have also partnered with World Central kitchen since 2019, and made a donation of $3 million to feed Gaza back in March this year. All sales of Odyssey Coffee funds the same cause. I swear people just get embarrassed when they find out they believed misinformation and decide to move the goalpost for what constitutes "supporting genocide" . There are plenty of valid criticisms of Starbucks, which D'Angelo articulated pretty well, but when it comes to the conflict there is nothing much there, except an ex CEO being Jewish and owning shares... in a publicly traded company from which anyone can buy shares.
they don’t care about their own communities. very very few of them volunteer at the pantry, hand out food to the homeless, don’t even vote for their local politicians, etc. very performative.
100%. These are the same people who didn’t even know or care that anything was happening in Palestine until last year. So tired of their voices drowning out everyone else.
This part! I’m so over people in the comments making it about Palestinians. And then being very rude and hateful in the comments! If we’re being factual, the decline was already happening before people decided to boycott. If D’Angelo wants to center his research on the other very major reasons why Starbucks couldn’t meet their numbers the past few quarters then let him do that. But to just jump to conclusions and say he blatantly did it to show that he’s anti-Palestine is crazy. What are y’all wanting from him really? What was the end goal besides just finding a reason to be upset about something? It’s getting weird.
“You support genocide” is the go to phrase for a lot of people who want to APPEAR like the gaf about Palestinians. It’s virtue signaling at its most disingenuous.
And the ironic thing is most of these people accusing other of supporting genocide don’t even care about the Palestinians In fact most of them even hate Palestinians especially in the Muslim world
Except the majority of people weren't even saying that, they were just confused as to why he didn't mention Palestine. He's never explicitly said his opinion about Palestine, like the majority of other commentary youtubers, and he discusses topics that relate to Palestine without ever mentioning Palestine. As Palestinians, we are used to leftists being leftist with the exception of Palestine and that's why there's a huge push to get influencers to talk about Palestine when necessary. And unless it was to virtue signal to genocide apologists, we have never been part of any sort of conversation for 76 years. Wanting to be included in internet commentary that specifically relates to us is not virtue signaling, it's a completely valid concern to have.
People have “gotten in trouble” for saying people are displaced because of the passive tone. There’s no winning with people like that. If you say everything they say, they’ll complain that you were too late.
I hate this performative side of Internet activism. Particularly in the case of Starbucks: Almost no one cared when it came out they were using forced and child labor on their plantations in Africa. I only know a few others who knew or cared to boycott the brand like I did. Seeing people try to exert pressure on others is so dystopian and I have no words for the selective prioritization and moral policing of human rights issues.
So, just because people weren't taking action before, they shouldn't take any new action against it anymore? The Palestinian plight has been going under the radar for SEVENTY FIVE years. People did not care that they were being ethnically cleansed. It took a full blown genocide, complete immunity, funding and support from the US government for people to finally care about it. Human rights issues aren't an oppression Olympics.
they didnt care about the real issues but care because someone whos literally just their largest private shareholder and isnt the ceo and isnt even on the board anymore so therefore has no say in anything involving the company is a zionist. they dont choose who invests in the company/buys shares like tf. there was also an official list of businesses to boycott and starbucks wasnt on it. i hate performative activism. they pick something. then completely forget abt it. moved from blm to ukraine to palestine like its nothing. when black people are still being senselessly killed in hate fuelled attacked still by cops too. and ukraine is literally still at war with russia and being bombed. etc. etc. and the people who say they care about not supporting companies who use child labour/sweatshops dont do any real research. they get on ppls asses for buying from shein bc its fast fashion but most ppl buy bc its cheap and they cant afford a bunch of normal shit. then theyll go buy theyre starbucks and wear their nike etc etc. i hate performative activism sm.
Also not to mention the union busting and crap working conditions that have been going on for literal years, and are probably only going to get worse with this new CEO. Free Palestine all day long but there's been other reasons not to get Starbucks, and there's so many other companies that are worse on their stance with the genocide. Heck the BDS list never added Starbucks to their list of companies to definitively avoid because of their ties to Israel, it's just been an organic boycott.
Starbucks also literally does not do any business in Israel. It takes literally half a second to Google this. They completely pulled out of the Israeli market in 2003, over 20 years ago. The Starbucks boycott is just the leftist version of the red Christmas cup conspiracy.
It's not anymore? Because it's been on the boycott list for many years now, from profiting in occupied territories and I think also for giving a bit of their profits to Israel's Government/armed forces.
I support you D’Angelo. We live in such a politically charged climate that makes assumptions based on what is/isn’t discussed. While this war is more about human rights than politics, those same people want to drag you instead of being a part of the solution. I respect your thought process behind this.
AHHHHH I didn’t even know people were saying thattt. I think ur opinion was implied lmaoooo. U weren’t even in support of Starbucks so I don’t understand the logic of getting mad at u?????
Wild to me that even someone as well versed and dedicated to educating and comprehensive research as D'Angelo would *still* come under scrutiny from the "so you dont like waffles" crowd. I cant even imagine questioning his integrity when you see it in every video he appears in.
In the past few years, people online have adopted this mentality that you need to clarify EVERYTHING you say so that EVERYONE is validated. You are absolutely correct. You didn't have to nessisarily respond, because the people leaving these comments have missed the point. When crafting something informative or informational, it would be silly to include details that don't relate to your thesis, especially something as complex and heartbreaking as a genocide.
As a recent former batista at Starbucks. The people who spend money at Starbucks and the people protesting for Gaza are not even a venn diagram but two separate circles. I guarantee the boycott has affected sales a bit, but really, the people to spend money at Starbucks in the greater scheme are those who are at Starbucks every day, and none of them care enough to step away from their usual place. They are the ones coming in less and buying less. They are the ones affecting sales. I watched it with my own eyes.
You can't say they're two separate circles while simultaneously saying "I guarantee the boycott has affected sales". If the people in charge of the boycott are pro-palestine protestors, then yes, there's a venn diagram.
Mostly. And they forgot even before the boycott there was nothing on Starbucks menu worth going back for. Most of the new drinks are just meh. The prices are out of hand. The frappes changed for the worse. Like seriously whip on the bottom too? Why? And the only thing people really ran into a Starbucks for in mass was the Stanley cup. Anything else? Not really. They give the boycott too much credit for something that was already a sinking ship. Heck they brought out the fall menu this last 22nd just to bring in the fall season people. I won’t be shocked if they kept pushing up the release date next year or the year afterwards.
I feel like media literacy/comprehension skills have gone down so much in the past few years. Just because someone doesn’t mention something doesn’t mean they are for that thing.
Real. It’s like if tabloids don’t exist and fact checking suddenly vanished. Like howww did y’all not learn this in elementary school? I wish I lacked critical thinking skills and emotional intelligence, yall seem so happy
I'm glad people are passionate about speaking out against the Palestinian genocide. Truly. I wish more people were, to be honest. But that energy is best spent ACTUALLY helping Palestine via donations to families, protesting against Israel and holding the US responsible for the role its played in facilitating the ongoing genocide -- not nitpicking and antagonizing online creators for unrelated things. I get how powerless these people might feel sitting behind a screen, but taking out your ineffectual anger on people that don't actually deserve it won't get us anywhere.
Finally, a proper comment that doesn't rub me the wrong way. Literally, if you want to be leaving angry comments that can be used for change then it's better to email your local government representatives. At the end of the day, they're the ones who actually have a voice in what money is donated to what country.
@@marqkc Exactly my point, thank you! Being angry is fine. It's good actually. That's how we know something's not right, when we're angry. Misplacing and misdirecting that anger onto "easier" targets is both vile and unproductive.
As a Muslim, I can't stand when other Muslims (or non-Muslims for that matter) go around policing everyone and always expecting them to talk about Palestine. Yet those same people won't talk about other tragedies going on in the world and couldn't care less tbh. I recently had a Muslim coworker show me some Instagram DMs from a childhood friend who responded to mentioned coworker regarding a story post. My co-worker literally just posted a photo of their car and this friend of theirs somehow got mad and told him he should be focusing on Palestine. Like what? What correlation is there? Do we have to spend every second of our lives talking about Palestine and not live our lives?
pro palestine middle eastern here !! (that also used to work for starbucks for 2 years recently) just for clarification because people don’t do research on their own, starbucks donations are public. they’ve never donated to israel, do not have businesses open in israel, but have not taken a stance because they have a history of staying out of widely publicized injustices. during the blm movements, sbux partners weren’t even allowed to wear blm pins even though starbucks is a “zero tolerance for discrimination” type of company. they’ve even recently donated to humanitarian aid that benefits palestinians. (which personally i believe was done because of the backlash) so while they haven’t donated to and come out in support of israel, it’s still wrong that as a large company with money and influence, they had chosen to stay silent on such an important issue.
Y'all really couldn't just ask "how come you didn't mention this?" Without immediately jumping to worst case scenarios? It's so unfortunate that D'Angelo even had to clarify this.
I didn't know anyone was accusing him of supporting Israel, I was one of the "how come you didn't mention this?" people 🤷🏽♀️ I wasn't assuming anything, I just thought it could've been brought up.
people seriously interpreted that video as supporting israel’s genocide?? as a palestine supporter this isn’t a topic i’d compromise on. but people are deadass getting performative in the way they’re projecting malicious intent or pro-israel sentiment to every little action and something so unrelated. D’Angelo doesn’t deserve this, we *have* to do better.
These are the same people who think commenting watermelon emojis on random ass Jewish pages is "critiquing the Israeli government" without taking into account even Israelis hate their government and want the violence to stop
Honestly i wasn't angry, nore just a tiny bit confused albeit I didn't... Immediately presume he supported genocide tbh. I try and presume the best in scenarios and this video based on the comments cleared my fears (Signed, someone with severe moral ocd)
@@mabd2684 Most people unfortunately don't cancel out the people who DID accuse him of supporting Israel/genocide. There's an entire thread accusing him of not being pro-Palestine, being silent on Palestine, being shady, being greedy, only caring about clicks, "aiding and abetting" the acts of Israel, etc etc. Those are the people that are being talked about, not folks who were only ASKING.
Silence is not ALWAYS complacency. We have a cultural idea, and far too many examples, of the silent celebrity- fighting backlash or criticism by saying nothing at all (cough cough, Cody Ko). Sometimes, a subject is irrelevant or out of place in a particular tone/conversation, and that doesn’t make the facilitator of that conversation complacent in hate speech or misinformation. Thank you for making your stance clear, and opening up a discussion about mandatory social justice online. Shouts out, dude.
Frrr, I was silent for a while because it was deteriorating my mental health while I was already hospitalized and people made me feel like I was a horrible person for not speaking about it
Some people think they are owed a civil rights leader when they loaded up youtube to watch regular dude at home recording a video. We should always encourage courage but never shame people for not commenting. Especially if we're talking about someone who has progressive comments on 99.9% of their coverage of social issues. Like if someone with D'angelo's record can be dragged through the mud on social media, I don't think anyone is safe anymore...
@@globalelite3042I guarentee you people would still find issues with a creator’s statement if they took 30 seconds to address an issue. People would be saying stuff like “wow they only spent 30 seconds on this, they should’ve made a whole video” or “this is just to earn brownie points and doesn’t cover all the nuances of the subject”, etc etc. Silence is not complacency. There is a time and place for serious discussions to be had, and sometimes mentioning a subject in the wrong place and time will only make it worse instead of better. No one likes the guy who starts ranting about politics in the middle of a Christmas family dinner. You can still support a cause without directly talking about it.
@@globalelite3042what would that accomplish? What could be said in 30 seconds? I'm asking for real here, things are desperate right now. If you have the time, could I get your opinions (and/or anyone else's!) in a lil mini-survey? What would you like to see organizers do? Do you want us to be reaching out to creators more? Is there anything in particular you wish you or others knew more about? Any answers would be incredibly useful. A lot of us are feeling stuck at the moment. Thank you for your time 🙏🕊️
GENUINELY. Being that chronically online is crazy. They need an award for jumping to that conclusion because I don't believe I could even pull that out of my ass.
I've been accused of being a climate change denier for mentioning that my area has been cooler (There's a weird pressure situation that when a valley south of here causes a pressure thing that makes ocean breezes stronger, makes us cooler, aka global warming makes us cooler during the summer. It's 75F here today, which is relevantly hot for summer.)
@@hefoxed😭 do you know what’s even crazier, cooler weather in your area is also in part due to climate change. So those people don’t even know what they’re talking about.
@@expensivepink7 They don't financially support Israel but their former CEO is openly supportive of Israel and they sued their workers union for making people think Starbucks "supported terrorism" by posting a pro-Palestine tweet.
@@expensivepink7 hate to tell you, but the “actual story” (punishing workers who speak up about palestine off-hours) is still support for Israel Sending money to the Israeli military is not the only way a company can support genocide. Suppressing workers’ free speech against said genocide while doing nothing about those who support it is also support.
@harrylane4 it was using the company logo. People mistakenly attributed it to the brand causing consumer backlash, vandalism and (ironically) calls for boycott. You can read the whole court case, it is online. Employees can say whatever they want about the conflict they just gotta make sure it doesn't look like their personal stance is affiliated with the company. Starbucks also donated 3 million dollars to food relief in Gaza, their only official company move in relation to the war.
i actually feel it's a good idea not to include such an important topic into a lighthearted video about making fun of ceos... it would be making it a diservice to gloss over it
Blake Lively is getting so much hate rn for being lighthearted about her DV movie, but people want D'Angelo to include such a heavy topic in his video.. He dodged a bigger bullet
I appreciate you sharing the info you shared. Not all conversations need to include every aspect of the a topic. I love your light content as of late. The world is very overwhelming, and it's nice to take a break.
This is like a few months ago when Danny Gonzalez had a Starbucks cup sitting on his desk. Instead of giving him the benefit of doubt and assuming he didn't know about their stance on Israel and Palestine, people IMMEDIATELY jumped to the conclusion that he supported genocide and said terrible things about him and called him awful things. We are so quick to judge people without getting all (or in some cases - ANY) of the facts.
@@TristaAshley-b9m Yeah, he put out what I felt was a genuine apology and explained that he wasn't, in fact, aware of the controversy. His apology kind of broke my heart because he clearly felt horrible about it, but the way he was treated by so many so-called fans...I felt that he was owed an apology as well.
@@kimberlyblackwell3324 I don’t think it’s a bad thing for people to know who they are supporting. it’s good that he clarified his stance. many creators are still posting Starbucks and McDonald’s knowingly, and we as viewers should be able to know when that is or isn’t the case so we can make an informed decision
@@TristaAshley-b9m Whyvdo you need someone else to tell you where they stand for you to make an "informed decision?" If you don't like that someone has a Starbucks or McDonald's product or any product that just happens to appear in their video, just leave. You don't need to announce your exit nor do they need to clarify whether they use the product or not if they aren't advertising it.
@Pasalallaamdjbdjjbdbd Most creator are very neutral regarding this matter or are against genocide but don't want to delve into politics on their platform for fear that it will be something they need to address every time there's some sort of injustice. You don't need to hear them say that they do or don't support genocide to decide if you want to stay or leave. You want to hear them say it for **YOUR VALIDATION**. To stroke **YOUR EGO**. Again, if you feel that some creator, whether intentionally or not, supports a company you don't agree with, UNSUBSCRIBE. Invest your time and support those who fit your cause instead. THAT is true common sense.
Unfortunately, many don’t realise people have been boycotting the franchise prior to the events of oct 7th mainly due to the issues you highlighted in your video. The momentum of the BDS boycotts only added to the original cause. It’s a shame grace can’t be given nowadays. But I understood your intentions D’Angelo!
the thing is, starbucks isn't even on the bds list afaik. it's weird americans decided that's the one to focus on when at the core it is a workers rights IN AMERICA issue and only tangentially relates to palestine. not that I'm saying the boycott is wrong, bc these are genuine issues! but uh why we centering the US again here when there's actually other US companies that are actually financially involved?
@@ruininomiya7785 considering people are currently denouncing Kamala Harris and telling people not to vote for her (because she is pro-ceasefire and not pro-arms embargo) I don't think these people care about Americans. When the choice is Kamala Harris or living in an actual dictatorship under Trump (srsly he said 'i only want to be a dictator for ONE DAY" and we allllll know he lies) they would rather the dictatorship under Trump even though he wants Israel to 'finish the job'. They don't fucking care about anything but their own ego.
Starbucks isn’t even on the BDS list because they don’t do any business with Israel, they completely pulled out of the Israeli market in 2003. All these morons on the Internet could literally just take half a second to actually check the BDS list or google “how many Starbucks locations are in Israel“ and they would find that the answer is ZERO. This whole thing is just the leftist version of the satanic red Christmas cup conspiracy.
I think that what a lot of folks who initially joined the boycott back in October of last year due to Starbucks support of Israel's attacks on Palestine aren't understanding is that currently, there is also a nation-wide movement of fast-food customers in general avoiding and boycotting due to increased prices. These these have overlapped, and your video was based on corporate greed. As altruistic a thing it is to punish corporations for how they invest, the reality is MOST people won't join in a boycott until it affects them in some way, and that usually means their wallet. When these corporations went ham with the menu prices, most folks said ENOUGH and stopped going, effectively "joining the boycott".
"the reality is MOST people won't join in a boycott until it affects them in some way" I agree and I don't think there's as many who care about the genocide as it doesn't pertain to most Americans and their community. Some people have super empathy and care for every single human being but most people aren't like that. They only care, like you said, when it affects them. Not to mention many Americans are burnt out are on survival mode only looking out for themselves
I’m pretty sure the boycott came about after Starbucks sued their union to not use the official company logo in the union statement released in support of Palestine. They’re not on the BDS list and as far as I’m aware don’t have any record of supporting the Israeli government or investing in Israel. Imo I feel like the Starbucks boycott as a whole is emblematic of what he’s talking about. It’s well meaning people but the energy isn’t being channeled towards a productive goal
In the time it took you to write this comment, you could’ve just googled whether Starbucks actually does any business with Israel at all. They do not. They have zero locations in Israel. They do not sell their coffee in any Israeli stores. They completely pulled out of the Israeli market in 2003, over 20 years ago, and they are not on the list because they have not done any business with Israel in over 20 years. So where are you getting this notion that “Starbucks supports Israel’s attack on Palestine”? You are just as misinformed as the conservatives a couple years ago who thought that Starbucks was satanic for having red cups at Christmas time
I bet 1000% that the people who felt the need to come at him about this haven't donated a single dollar to help the civilians affected, nor have they sent any money to aid workers nor volunteered themselves. They literally do nothing but attack other people online for their perceived stances on an issue they barely care about themselves. Humans are exhausting.
The idealization/de-idealization of content creators is so sick man Folks put y’all on a pedestal and more eagerly tear you down It’s crazy that such a trajectory can happen but that’s just the reality of the world we’re in Sorry folks are like that D’Angelo, and hey at least you’ve got an updated view of your viewership
and also, Starbucks doesn't support Israel. People are yelling so loud about wrong information and it makes the cause look like something sane people should stay away from.
I think it's important to keep it at the front of people's minds, especially Americans who are about to choose between two presidential candidates who are both committed to continuing the genocide. Americans mustn't forget Gaza and must apply whatever pressure they can. That said, it seems like the comments D'Angelo got went way beyond "what about Palestine" and people don't deserve abuse for saying nothing unless they are politicians
@@MrSomnix Howard Schultz, the founder, chairman, president and chief executive officer of Starbucks who also owns 22 million shares of Starbucks stock (worth around $2 billion (SBUX) as of May 12, 2022) is an active Zionist. In 1998 he was honored by the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah with "The Israel 50th Anniversary Friend of Zion Tribute Award" for his services to the Zionist state in "playing a key role in promoting close alliance between the United States and Israel". Howard Shultz work as a propagandist for Israel has been praised by the Israeli Foreign Ministry as being key to Israel's long-term PR success. On April 4th 2002, whilst the Israeli army was slaughtering Palestinians in Jenin Howard Shultz made a provocative speech blaming the Palestinians, suggesting the intifada was a manifestation of anti-Semitism, and asked people to unite behind Israel. Notably, Schultz made headlines with a substantial $1.7 billion investment in an Israeli cybersecurity startup named Wiz. This investment underscores Schultz’s commitment to Israel’s economic growth and technological advancements, prompting questions about Starbucks’ indirect alignment with Israeli interests. There is an open Supreme Court case regarding Starbucks firing employees days after they shared their intent to unionize. The NLRB sided with most of the employees cases, agreeing that their firing was unjustified. So there is more to the overall argument that Starbucks is anti-union than just the October logo issue. Additionally, Schultz’s a billionaire Zionist who profits off of the continued success of Starbucks. So continuing to support their business is contributing to their largest shareholder’s wealth and investment in an Israeli company and Zionism ideals.
anyone assuming that you support genocide just because you don't happen to mention it in a video that has nothing to do with genocide, are just moral grandstanding. Love the daily content btw I'm glad you're in a better place now.
Wait, I thought that people were boycotting Starbucks because of their union-busting? It's not on the BDS list afaik. Am I missing something or did people get confused?
yeah there’s basically no reason to boycott Starbucks for palestine bc they don’t monetarily support israel in any way. also a tip about the union busting thing: dont boycott any company to support a union unless the union is on strike and tells you to. you should remember that the people in the union work for that company, they only want sales to decrease during specific times in order to send a message
Starbucks is being boycotted for several reason. Unfortunately if a ground feels you have slighted their reason for boycotting Starbucks, they will instantly attack. It sad D'Angelo had to put this out because of the unfounded backlash.
I think people being passionate about the human rights crisis in Gaza is great. It’s wonderful we have encouraged and educated each other so much. I do think people are becoming (and understandably so) very reactive to many things even tentatively related to what’s going on in the world around us. D’Angelo, there are countless times you’ve made me laugh and smile. I hope one day we can move past assuming the worst intentions of others and instead give people more grace. I know I have a lot of work to do on that myself. ❤
It’s been out of hand from day 1. You couldn’t express any horror over the attack before single retaliatory strike had been launched. But that follows the pattern- there’s never nuance with social media’s responses. It’s good vs evil, black & white thinking. There are no victims on the “evil” side.
Yup, you're right. People are sometimes going off of random lists on platforms like TikTok, because idk, they think they know better or something? Some don't even mention the BDS movement... like... do they not know how boycotting is effective when targeted by a large group of people? And then they turn around and become reactionary in the blame game, because they perceive others (like D'Angelo) to not do it their way, so they don't do it 'correctly'. It's such B.S. and a waste of time and focus. I'm sorry, it just pisses me of. It's surface level activism that doesn't achieve anything. It reminds me of the damn black squares all over again.
Starbucks isn't BDS listed but the boycott against Starbucks has been more widely known than most other non-BDS boycotts. It's widespread enough to still matter even if it's a separate boycott altogether.
The rabid nature of some of the pro Palestine spaces are doing far more harm than good and it is truly sad to see innocent Palestinians be used as tools for people to feel morally virtuous about themselves rather than actually caring about the plight of human beings in that area.
They watched people die before their eyes and lose limbs. I don’t think you realize the effects of watching war crimes daily has on people. Then the media lies about it and content creators hardly make mention of it. I’m not defending calling him disgusting or pro-Zionist by extension, but you have to recognize in the least why it would be relevant to the topic of Starbucks downfall in a video about such a thing
Fr like… it’s doing more harm than good atp. I’m all about Free Palestine but I find the attitudes of a lot of people so insufferable I don’t wanna engage with them. It would be more effective if everyone was pulling on the same rope, but this extreme aggression and accusing people of the worst possible intentions when they don’t incessantly post about it or don’t mention it every five minutes is causing division between people who ultimately agree with each other. This extreme virtue signalling is fracturing the movement.
as a longtime Palestinian subscriber, this means alot. also, i don't understand how can anyone watch any of you videos and think you're gonna side with colonizers, truly messed up. don't stress yourself over their misjudgment of your character. much love from Palestine!
Also this may be a weird thing to think but as a POC I really hope the people calling him out aren’t white. Because that makes their behavior even worse. To automatically assume a black man would side with colonizers
c’mon y’all, we knew D’Angelo did not support the g3nocide. thank you for the clarification and we are grateful for you. Free Falasteen! Free Gaza! Free Congo! Free Sudan! our liberation is incomplete without the liberation of all beings.
THATS CRAZY. Those people are so disgusting and ruin everything.. who lacks comprehension skills enough to not realize that the video was making fun of starbucks's current downfall and the whole fast food industry? "dissapointing" my ass, continue doing you D'Angelo. You know you're amazing and i'm glad you spoke up about this immediately
i am so confused with the whole waffles/pancakes mentality. people can want to talk about lighthearted things and still not support the awful things of the world. these things DO coexist nowadays, and we can equally attribute our focus. but not every conversation includes both of these at once, and some people (mainly chronically online people) need to realize that
A lot of people panic and lash out when they feel powerless. That doesn't make it right, lashing out only moves the pain onto others and makes us look bad.
I think a lot of people have heard that they should demand that public figures with platforms speak out about Palestine but did not receive that message with any kind of instructions about how to actually do that effectively. All panic, no praxis.
I think they just like bullying people tbh. You have to be a dumbass (or wilfully obtuse) to actually believe a creator like D'Angelo is supporting Israel
@@glupik1234 yeah those people are crazy, but it is something that should be mentioned in some way. if you expect any more than that in a lighthearted video then you aren't focusing on the real issues. people are sad and scared and can't change anyhting. What they can chang is what their fav content creator says.
Internet people are weird. They should demand POLITICIANS do it, not online figures. Like sure, I get it, more traction yada yada, but it's missing the point.
@@paradox9369 I completely agree that we should be putting pressure on politicians, but I do think online public figures have the opportunity to do something different that’s also important. This isn’t a struggle over direct international policymaking, it’s more a fight for the position of the Overton window. Public figures are probably a lot more useful than politicians in changing what is considered inherently political versus what is considered a normative opinion to have. There are valid reasons people might be hesitant about this topic, like a lack of faith in their own ability to always recognize underlying antisemitic tropes. Educating oneself will always be easier said than done because propaganda and misinformation are things that exist. The public conversation, which public figures can have a lot of influence over, creates framing for entry points to the topic, not just in discussion but even in how people begin to form an opinion. Not every public figure is going to be good at doing that, and they’re going to be less equipped to talk about some topics than others. I really feel like demanding that every public figure make an attempt anyway, especially with the inhuman time pressure of the internet, is very unlikely to yield ideal results. I think it went incredibly well in this case, but only because D’Angelo did an outstanding job from a difficult position. That’s not always going to happen. I unfortunately just don’t know enough to be more than an armchair referee about this, so I’m unsure about how to improve the situation. I sure would like to know, though.
Y’all better be sending the same hate to your local politicians. We love & appreciate you!
they’re not. it’s all performative.
Just the politicians who already agree with them 🤦
@@crowfoot8059 Hopefully the original comment can motivate people to take more meaningful courses of action instead of holding D'Angelo to impossible standards.
Yessss
Literally it’s giving performative
this is why d’angelo stopped talking to us
LITERALLY 😭
He gon take another 2 year break, i wouldnt fkin blame him cause oml
literally
As he should. This kind of people is what made me stop using xuitter and instagram. IT'S JUST SO TIRING. And it's the same crowd that doesn't donate or do something actually helpful, but love to point fingers at others.
@@anabertfr just pinterest and TH-cam, actual social media is SO DRAINING
Media literacy is seriously on the decline 😤 D’Angelo has definitely made his stance clear before
Nah, I think it’s something different. I personally think it’s the death of critical thinking and the rise of narcissism. What you said after is 100% valid though.
@@TheDanceMan567definitely some narcissism considering the sense of entitlement and expectation some people have on the internet
On the decline? It's like beating a dead horse ppl can't listen or read without thinking over their point to apply some wierd bias.
Ok but where did he say this before? I was looking online and didn’t find it
@@TheDanceMan567I think it’s both. Part of media literacy is having the ability to think critically and hold multiple truths at the same time.
Right now, a lot of people are jumping to conclusions when someone says one thing but not the other.
E.g. A simple phrase like “I like pancakes” turns into “Oh, so you hate waffles then”
People need to realize corporations price gouging the American people is also an extremely important issue. Life in the US is becoming unsustainable, and corporate greed and the crackdown on unions and wage increases is hurting millions of people.
Then his argument that he wanted the video to be light hearted means nothing since union busting and price gouging are heavy topics too. Might as well include the boycott as another reason.
But yeah financial crimes and bad companies are too underestimated when they lead to homelessness, lack of access to food and medicine and education, and everything. In this world, money is life.
Murder and genocide are significantly heavier than union busting and price gouging. You're comparing an astroid to a planet. @@jessy1982
@@jessy1982omg literally shut the fuck up. You are everywhere. Get some sleep
@@jessy1982 Boycotting against a genocide shouldn’t be a “might as well” inclusion. It’s a deeply serious topic that you seem to believe should be thrown in to the conversation simply because it’s tangentially related. Boycotting against a genocide is not even on the same level as price gouging and union busting. Adding it would have thrown off the video and 100% come off as insincere.
performative activism needs to be called out, it's very demoralizing, alienating and contraproductive
Preach!!
Hope this will be top comment
notice they don’t care about congo or sudan
@@themunmunmuny if a ceasefire happens watch how quick they heel turn to talk about how they will never support a politician who doesn't care about congo (or sudan).
@@themunmunmuny they don't care about anything they can't wave in the face of others.
"he didn't mention it therefore he fully endorses it" is such an absolute clown take
He did mention it before, just not in this video, people can’t critically think
Truly clown behavior 💯
@PasalallaamdjbdjjbdbdActions have consequences.
No one had that take (or very few did). He's changing the issue to make himself a victim. People just wanted important context for why Starbucks sales are down to be mentioned in a video about it. It was a bad video idea that he didn't do that.
@Pasalallaamdjbdjjbdbd lmao what
genuinely how did people get “i support genocide” from “starbucks is expensive”???
I'm guessing it implies he's not taking part in the boycott is the only thing I can see. They hear him say that and go, "oh, wow. he's still shopping there. he must love watching children die." It's so silly.
@@DoneBrokeDatBack that's crazy because he said in the video that he never had starbucks 💀 (unless he was reading someone else's comment but i don't recall seeing this specific line on the screenshot)
the same way they get "you hate trans people" out of "maybe we shouldn't give kids puberty blockers" edit: it only took about an hour. Y’all assume so many things based off of one statement alone. That’s the point. You can not get a full understanding of someone’s beliefs with one statement. Believing A does not equal believing B, C, D…. All the way to Z. The same jump from “Starbucks is expensive” to “you support genocide”. Y’all have killed the middle ground. Middle ground no longer exists.
@@JustLauraThatsAll I mean that is rhetoric often used by transphobes, and there are plenty of reasons even outside of being trans to give children puberty blockers. But I do see what you mean, there should be a discussion between “kids shouldn’t be on puberty blockers” and “you’re a transphobe”, and that just isn’t happening.
@@JustLauraThatsAll actually not the same at all but ok…
I'm Palestinian and brother I never doubted for a minute you supported us. I'm sick of non palestinians getting all offended on our behalf over stupid shit like this when they don't even lift a finger over the real problems. I'm tired of seeing every post about star bucks or mcdonalds or arabs or jews or anything even remotely related to Palestine get forcibly related back to the genocide by a bunch of performative activists who don't even understand what our struggles are like. Every time people do shit like this it makes our cause look worse, because we come off as delusional hot heads who get irrationally mad at everything. If I, a Palestinian whose family has been displaced and brutalized by the Israelis, can watch a video about Judaism or Starbucks or anything else and not get all up in arms about it, then you, a random ass american, should be able to as well.
i think guilt comes into play. a lot of us americans know that our country supports this genocide, that our tax dollars fund it, that we live in relative privilage while other people suffer and that our privilage is built off the backs of suffering, exploted people. i think a lot of people overcompensate for that because they feel powerless. it’s not our fault that our country opperates this way, but it’s also very difficult to change it and the people in power seem almost untouchable. however people like d angello are very accessible so i think that’s a way for people to vent their frustrations and guilt as well.
you don’t think that if enough people were acting on it, the US wouldn’t have a choice other than to stop founding the genocide? I’d say it’s a fact because it has indeed happened before. I want people to stop suffering from injustice, specially when my own actions have an impact on such injustice, you probably want the same, but we all need people to act.
@@misMEGAVIDEOS Bickering with people on the internet about starbucks is not advocating for change. The US govt doesn't give a single shit if you bombard D'Angelo Wallace of all people about his singular youtube video in the name of "stopping genocide". I've boycotted Starbucks, Mcdonalds, and the like since I was a little girl, because my whole family always has. Years before it became trendy to do so and the newest genocide started, my family and I advocated for ourselves and our people, because we've been suffering since long before October 7th. That is how we make change. Writing to your senators is how you make change. Protesting, educating, sending aid, and standing firm are what make change. If all you can muster up is harassment any time someone brings up starbucks or judaism or anything of the like, then you are no ally. I never said in my original comment that we shouldn't fight for change. All I want is change. What this is isn't change. The point of my comment is that I MYSELF AM PALESTINIAN, and I, speaking from my OWN PALESTINIAN EXPERIENCE, do not appreciate when people make fools of themselves on the internet for the sake of my people. If you want change, directing your energy onto stupid shit like this isn't going to bring it about.
@@fishfinn8689 Well said. I get tired of seeing these people with some sort of weird saviour complex jumping on trendy topics to “advocate” about when all they do is bicker with people about the smaller things that distract everyone from the bigger picture.
god tier comment, thank you for this.
It's disappointing that so much of the conversation around the genocide has turned into people performatively yelling at others when they don't mention it in every context
seeing it brought up in fan wars just shows people do not care at all and just want to make themselves look good
Its just a "who is more moral" measuring contest now. Half these people just want to be viewed as "good people" and yet they spread such hate. Like that isn't helping anyone.
And this only further desensitised the majority and stops ignorant people from actually listening to what's is happening.
They are doing more harm than good with their fake-activism.
@@ohhmangosexactly 💯
I think they’ve become desensitised to the seriousness or what’s going on, and I think the reality that there’s not much they can do to help leads some to decide weird unhelpful behaviour like this might in some way help. It of course doesn’t. Some people I think are just trying to weaponise it and use it to feel better about themselves, which is horrific behaviour to engage in when it comes to this topic.
Who in their right mind thinks D’Angelo not doing a deep dive into ongoing genocide in a video about “coffee is hella expensive” is somehow the most depraved action a human being could take
Nobody expected him to do a deep dive into the ongoing genocide, they expected him to *mention it* at all when it is relevant to the subject of the video
@@VultureSkins But it wasn't relevant? It was a separate issue related to Starbucks but not the cost and quality of their food.
@@VultureSkins y’all are weird. Let the dude say what he has to say. I’m sure he would have mentioned it if he felt it was something that would have added to the value of the video.
@@VultureSkinsthis is so puzzling to me. would bringing up a mass genocide and an attempt at ethnic cleansing dating back over 70 years not be a little distasteful during a video talking about CEO’s running their little coffee shops into the ground? to me, trying to say they are linked subject matters seems a little reductionist.
a person expecting a stranger on the internet to address & agree w their beliefs through nothing but parasocial hope is dystopian af.
"I don't support genocide" what a start
It's amazing that we even have to clarify this in this day and age
I do support Jenna's Side though, she's a real one.
I didn’t even watch his Starbucks video and my jaw dropped, like yea I agree but wow
the word support seems to be something that we forgot the meaning of. saying you like this doesn't mean you support negative action taken against something else. not mentioning something that is only tangentially related to the actual subject isn't support of something either.
Straight to the point though, If he said something else then people would just misinterpret to frame him (Like what made him create this video), This world sometimes...
They don’t even do this to politicians, so annoying.
I think it's the fact that D'Angelo seems more accessible than a politician. It's also a common social phenomena that people will be more critical of their allies than they are of their enemies, because only the ally listens.
Literally record-breaking protests....
Theres protests but its not record breaking (at least those in America)@jesslynn0621
@@Shibouu59 it's a shame, because d'angelo ISN'T more accessible than politicians. he's a private citizen, an entertainer, while politicians have specific channels through which they can be accessed, because they are accessible to be the public, because they are public servants. really, this behavior is a blood relative of the "entitlement" outrage regarding chappell roan. d'angelo discussed the phenomenon very well there but that he's treated as a more "accessible" target of his audience's frustrations stems from the same entitlement.
anyway, it may be a common social phenomenon, but it's also unreasonable and lazy on their parts.
yeah, where is this heat for kamala? she’s pro-israel and literally in the running to become the president of the united states, yet any criticism of her support for genocide is shouted down by weirdo fascist liberals. direct this energy towards politicians who have far more of a lasting impact on our daily lives.
The “so you hate waffles” crowd has made it to youtube.
They've been here since day one.
they've been here, and they've been everywhere, since the beginning of time. some people are just slow
unfortunately yes
Literally thought 😔😒
It's a "piss on the poor" Tumblr moment
The chronically online performative activists have reached a level of 'with us or against us" paranoia that is poisoning the support for their own causes and they're too unhinged to see it.
and a lot of them are being anti-black with it too
I mean, only amongst other chronically online peeps. People who are performatively anti-Israel shouldn't be a deterrent to being against genocide, those who are swayed by those types probably didn't hold that belief very strongly.
The performative activists that aren't dying in war
@@furrydbzI mean, a person doesn’t have to die in war to think people being killed in an occupation is bad. But yes, performative activists are very detached from the events.
@@furrydbzwtf does this even mean?
I could've sworn you've mentioned your stance on this before
people are so itching to 'cancel' their favorite creator that you have to constantly reassure them with your stance as if its food for a goldfish
Doesn’t matter
He has
@@InspirationalSpaceship yes it does
many times
Why does the internet need to be so hostile? Someone trying to prove they’re in the “right” by hurling abuse at another doesn’t make sense to me. I get a lot out of your videos and perspective and really appreciate the work you put in.
Most of these people don't know how to have a normal human conversation and would legitimately respond like this to someone in person. I know we talk a lot about people shielding behind online behavior, but I think we also vastly underestimate how many people just really fucking suck in real life.
No, it's just that dangelo attracts these type of people.
I'm so sorry. people just missing the point
@gov_-r8fbro are u alr??? 😭
@@decodas can u guys please learn not to respond to bots? it makes it look more "real" to algorithms when y'all engage with the bots. it's frustrating. if you won't bother reporting (misinformation) then at least don't make it harder to train YT to recognize them.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 its not a bot unfortunately and they are sharing real child corn according to a lof of people, please take the time to report them
It's so weird that people decided that you somehow support Isreal just because you wanted to have a CENTRAL POINT. Like, goodness gracious.
insane …
Right? I could tell what the toke of the video was so I was like "oh we aren't gonna mention it, cool." Bc obviously there are other reasons besides boycotting which they have successfully gotten around and avoided
Israel*
At this point, it's just proof that the I/P discourse has become a breeding ground for terninally online people.
@@juratory8876 no, don't go that far, it's obvious that a lot that's happening this year has to do with Palestine facing a genocide, it's common sense i fear
people want to feel morally superior, not help the people of Palestine. you are right to focus your research as you do, that’s how good research is done!
Omg seriously, especially on insta. People use supporting Palestine as a badge of honor instead of actual wanting to support people in danger
Yeah, this isn't good for the movement. We shouldn't fight with each other or assume everything is in bad faith when we need to support each other.
Exactllyyyyyyyyy
It’s lazy activism at its finest. Boycotting a coffee shop, leaving a comment about it on social media, being angry in your first world environment far from the issues means Jack end of day. The REAL TRUE way they could support and help out Palestine is to fly on over there and fight front lines, but do you REALLY expect that of a chronically online teen lazily farming for likes by using surface level knowledge of world topics they got off TIKTOK?
This right here
PLEASE, STAY OFF TWITTER. It's become so severely terrible, I left for my own mental health, please, please leave it, don't touch it, it's so depressing and it's like throwing yourself into a tank of eels and piranhas that haven't eaten for months.
Just because you don't say every single belief or stance outright doesn't mean you don't hold them, people jumping to conclusions and putting words in your mouth is so cruel and violent.
Please stay safe!
I left Tumblr circa 2015 because this exact breed of morality policing and anger poisoning was doing so much harm to my well-being.
@@pinkcupcake4717 I have a better time avoiding it on tumblr and filter what I can, but it is undeniably still present.
Make sure you curate your online experience liberally for your own comfort. (Block, mute, filter, always!)
Im glad you mentioned that you dont owe anyone an explanation. Chronically online people that thrive on anger are never happy.
People really will interpret things in the least good faith ways possible, huh?
Always. Nothing the internetizens like more than finding the the wrong kind of person so they can rage.
It's pretty insulting
“You didn’t mention so you MUST have the worst possible opinions, right?” /s
Ppl will DELIBERATELY interpret things the wrong way so to make others feel as if they OWE them something.
@@CaulkMongler "you said therefore you must believe and ."
“I like pancakes”
“Oh, so you hate waffles?” Ass mentality
no its not
Exact same thought I had lmao
@@teenxtcyit kind of is. you can hold a stance that you don't explicitly share and, in this case, people sometimes try to hold that against you.
i don’t think people thought that he supports israel it’s was just weird to not even mention one of the main boycotts on a video about why starbucks is going down. but glad he made this video don’t think people should be assuming stuff like that
EXACTLY THIS. I wish folks could pull out of the social media mindset of starting petty little shit based on black and white thinking and start considering nuance in subject matter and learning it's impossible to address every little thing in every subject discussed
Why can’t these people put this same energy to their local government and like…actual substantial change. Yelling in TH-cam comments only gets you so far.
There's absolutely nothing to suggest they're not doing both.
@@appaatemomo-freePalestineone of the them, such as arguing online, does virtually nothing but waste more time to make real change and donate. its more chronically online to fight with strangers on the internet knowing their stances won’t be changed lol
@@snubnosedmonke Critique is actually really important, even if it never reaches the person being critiqued. Plenty of other people are around here engaging with these critiques. For instance, why are you arguing with me if all it is is a waste of time?
@@appaatemomo-freePalestine because it's easy to spare some time to clown dumbasses online
@@appaatemomo-freePalestine people who blindly yell on the internet definitely don't have the brain capacity to do something of substantial change. "doing both" is idiotic. if you're actually dedicating time to contacting government reps you would know that performative bullshit is literally a waste of time and you wouldn't do it
I feel like this is why D’Angelo goes on long breaks. Because this constant bullshit on the internet must take such a toll on his mental health.
and how could it not when only a couples weeks after he comes back, it's already ppl attacking him again like ppl have no chill
0:30 yeah, this is wild. Your video related to a lot of other fast food chains and starbucks was an example of a greater issue. We got the point, prof. I get why folks could be upset or confused, but ascribing beliefs to people and leaving hateful comments... y'all.
The light-hearted series honestly was such a highlight in a pretty rough week, and I appreciate them a lot. Like it was actually mentally refreshing.
So thank you tons for those. :D
Double thumbs up
A real, "He said he likes pancakes, therefore he must hate waffles" moment.
Accusing you of supporting genocide is extra wild because Starbucks isnt even on the BDS list... AFAIK the starbucks boycott was over union busting, it just began around the same time as the boycotts in protest of the Palestinian Genocide. Anyway 0:01youtubes algorithm is broken it prioritizes highlighting comments that have timestamps.
No literally
Starbucks is on the Israel boycott list bc of the ties of its owners and shareholders to Israel. Many companies’ actual owners or parent companies have ties to Israel, so the boycott list is actually quite long. But I agree that accusing D’Angelo of supporting genocide was stupid and wild. He didn’t deserve.
If you watched him long enough, you know that he’s a lefty and generally aligns with the oppressed.
BDS list or not, it's fine to boycott starbucks for both union busting and funding genocide. You don't need to adher so strictly to the BDS list
OOH, THE FIRE EMBLEM GAL!
Dani over here with the TH-cam meta.
why must people be so quick to accuse? speculation is one thing, but the aggressive, vitriolic attacks is entirely different.
The terminally online
Frrr and when it comes to genocide don’t even speculate about if someone supports it. Cause all you have to do is mention it slightly and people take it as fact
Some of them support hamas, go figure.
Because social media has encouraged this kind of engagement for years, I think a lot of people have been trained to engage in radically bad faith. Being outraged or outrageous has become a way of building a platform for oneself, and I think that's kind of tainted discourse in a lot of other places.
Speculation opens the door to attacks; tbh would be nice if people speculated less.
people need to stop being so chronically online because how do they have the TIME and ENERGY to assume a creator’s views and therefore actively badmouth them
I agree on this
agreed. instead of wasting your time literally fighting people on the same side as you, go to a protest or something.
FD Signifier just put out a great video called "The Online Left is Cooked" where he explains that online discourse has devolved into a brainrot of "gotcha" moments where people seem to mostly care about getting one over on someone else, regardless of how aligned in perspective the targets of their "gotchas" are. Its a bad look and an even worse way to have discourse with one another - no one is going to be convinced by a "gotcha."
Very measured and calm, reasonable response especially given the subject, thank you! As someone who is from and in the middle east (lebanese), I am very used to creators ignoring palestine entirely as zionists deny israel's actions all together (leftist on all things except palestine). It is very isolating and that has been the mainstream for decades. The gen0cide didn't start on oct. 7, it was well underway decades before that, and the middle east didn't get to this point of severe oppression over the course of 11 months out of the blue. I also do not look up personal info or social activity of the content creators I am subscribed to, as I prefer not to cross the line between creator/consumer so I had no previous idea of where your true beliefs fall regarding Palestinian human rights. So, I was honestly very worried (and tired of what we arabs have been conditioned to expect when killing cycle loops and starts again- either silence or hostility) when I saw that it wasn't discussed in the previous video. This is because I also assumed that a boycott would logically be mentioned in a video about a company financially struggling. I did wait for any developments before forming an opinion and I am glad I did. I do hope that people do not equate pro-palestinian rights voices (this is a human rights issue) with bullying though. We've been seeing atrocity out of atrocity come out of gaza with no end in sight, inflicted on the most vulnerable of people. It's horrifying.
You're doing great man, and I hope you get the support you deserve. Your moral consistency and clarity is refreshing.
This. This is what I wished some of these comments said.
@@ShamandoraT yeah, unfortunately a lot of the comments are people doing the exact thing they are complaining about. A lot of barbs and jabs with assumptions about intent. It's very sad to see how quickly the comments here turned into attacks and simultaneously witness more horrors coming out of gaza. I think the best way I can describe my reaction to what has been inflicted on the palestinians is heartbreak. I feel sad and angry but the most consistent reaction I feel is heartbreak and i wouldn't be surprised if pro-palestinian voices are also feeling the same or other similarly strong emotions. We, the working class, shouldn't be cannibalizing each other in this delicate times.
@@apollidoe6651 thank you. In my opinion, I think the point people are missing is that Starbucks, McDonalds, and other big companies have always been horrible to their workers. Have constantly raised prices and prevented worker unions. The company of Starbucks starting to seriously financially struggle is something that probably did amp up during and after COVID, but that’s not solely due to COVID or its horrible practices. If that was the case, it would have struggled like that sooner. I understand the Arab frustration and feeling of neglect when the boycott isn’t mentioned as THE CATALYST for people finally organizing to stop supporting an already horrible company. I don’t see it as starbucks horrible company + stop their workers from unionizing + …. + …. And lastly because of the Boycott. I (and I think a lot of Arabs) see it as people organized to boycott starbucks BECAUSE they came out saying they don’t agree with the views of their union workers (pro Palestinian human rights view). The VP of starbucks said that at the time and the company sued it’s workers union over THAT. Over that view. And I can site my source here. So yes, not mentioning it as the catalyst for change is like not addressing an elephant in the room. HOWEVER, with all that being said, the jump to attack D’angelo is WILD and a bit of a reach. There is room for good faith here, especially because he DID mention the boycott briefly in the original video. It’s unfair for people to jump to extreme conclusions about his views as a whole.
@@ShamandoraT Thank you as well :)
Yes, I think you summed it up very well and fully agree with you. I was anxious over the gap in information presented in the video, as I try to be conscious of who or what I support, but also did think there was room for good faith. I am also glad that the palestinian boycott helped expose starbuck's anti-union actions to more people (it did to me), and I would boycott over anti-union policies just as much as I would for palestine. We can do both, and we are much stronger doing both, no need to start attacking each other as the corporations go scot-free in the chaos. We're all in this together, no one is free until everyone is free. Thank you again for the empathetic and fair response in a fairly volatile comment section at the moment, it's very nice of you and I hope you have a great day!
All Zionists deny Israel's actions? That's a very broad claim. What is your definition of Zionist? And which actions?
Great explanation - concise, on point.
he didn't owe any explanation!
were you one of them?
If you are even VAGUELY familiar with this man’s content you know what his stance on these types of issues are. This is why he leaves the internet for 24 business years at a time.
This
He was literally BASHING these companies. How did yall come up with those conclusions 🤔.
People who are progressive tend to jump on people when they don’t say something or say something they hate. Palestine is a big issue (but somehow China isn’t) so they had to virtue signal their distaste
performative online activism is a disease and its making people rabid with moral policing and irrationality of jumping to conclusions and bad faith. i really hate this mixed breed of twitter-rightousness, instagram-vanity and actual political issues.
Because people did this doesn’t mean their activism is perfomative. It just means they made a wrong assumption. You’re also ascribing just like you think they are. Palestine should not be a method to support your favourite TH-camr, talk down on their “haters” or an be avenue for you to rant about what you don’t like. At least their “performative activism” is spreading awareness ad keeping accountability. If you truly care about Palestine that’s how you should be thinking. Do better. Be better
@@ilovekene9697 you're either ignoring or not understanding what is being said, making a wrong assumption isnt what makes it performative: its taking that wrong assumption as a green card to harass people in online spaces as if 1. thats going to help anybody 2. or be so chronically online they cant even consider that there are millions of ways to be politically active. i really dont care if you think they made a "wrong assumption", behaving the way these people have towards D'angelo is never okay. Also palestine was not an "avenue" for anything, people made* it a topic of conversation because other people literally forced his hand: naturally people are going to be talking about the general topic? there is no "method" or agenda here?? learn the difference between online activism and performative activism, genuinely.
@@womp3571 i stand by what i said and ngl im not reading all at when you could’ve even me assed to
mention palestine once. to you it was never about them. free palestine.
@@ilovekene9697 and im not reading whatever excuse you've come up with, this discussion is over
If D'Angelo stops talking to us all I say is " This is... WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!!"
Real 😔
Exactly
Remember, 50% of Americans have up to an 8th grade literacy comprehension, and it shines no brighter than in comment sections.
Speaking of comprehension, this is a misrepresentation of literacy rate data.
@@draega570is it? I’m not American but I’ve heard this statistic before. If you have time could you explain how it’s a misrepresentation?
@@draega570I can imagine comprehension and critical thinking skills fall even lower sadly.
It's actually worse. 54% of American read below a 6th grade level (as of 2020). It's sad that you were being generous. I got that information from Snopes, who cited data from the U.S. education system.
@@blacksuitnotie that’s very sad. I’m not sure where exactly we fall on the spectrum, but I know that Canada also has an adult illiteracy problem. Our public libraries run adult reading programs where I’m from. But still, I’m sure the waitlist is pretty long :(
It’s crazy how some people will yell at you for “not doing anything about Palestine” when all they’re doing is bullying content creators who are clearly on their side. Like how exactly does yelling at minor celebrities who don’t know you help stop a genocide?
Apparently youtubers are in control of the ceasefire
Yeah like damn DeAngelo has full power to stop a war across the ocean? Didn’t know that how dare he /s
People are killing me w this shit
There was one nutcase who said, "Taylor Swift could've ended the war with one tweet. It's her fault the war continues and she has blood on her hands" Those people have lost touch with reality.
This is so parasocial, like you're expecting every celeb and influencer to solve the world's problem.
Most people who want to help people in Palestine need to help themselves before they try helping anyone! There is such thing as bad press even for something as one sided as what’s happening in Palestine. It’s like being an annoying ass vegan who never shuts up about it. Yeah they’re morally correct but it doesn’t make anyone want to change. Just being realistic. Call your senators and organize if you want to make a real difference. Most of the people who are that extreme about Palestine are chronically online and can’t even schedule their own doctor appointments let alone organize to fight an establishment that supports an active genocide
i guess some people believe content that doesn't mention a genocide when there's a genocide going on is wrong bc genocides are too important. which i guess i can understand, but idk. reality isn't like that, we still deserve other kinds of media, and we certainly shouldn't force all artists to make their art about the genocide. like. do my cat doodles gotta say "free palestine" underneath them before i show it to friends?
performative activism as always from the chronically online gang. they don't really care about the real issue, they just go around policing everybody, and it's exhausting
LITERALLY
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People seem to have forgotten that you can care about multiple issues at the same time. Workers rights in USA and human rights in Palestine are both import topics.
People are willfully obtuse. I was reading the comments thinking, "Starbucks was going down the shytter WAAAAAY before the boycott."
Same here. Like in this last year the only craze for Starbucks was a cup. Not a menu item. People went to target or drove to another city to find the Stanley cups. Not a drink or food item. I mean for me none of the drinks have been good for years. For most giving up Starbucks was an easy choice. And for some people it’s something to make themselves feel the moral high ground even if they’ve never actually stepped into one.
boycott was definitely a final straw moment for me. was getting mad at starbucks for a while.
RIGHT?? I also remember people boycotting it during the pandemic because that’s when their anti worker nonsense was fully exposed for what it was.
People haven’t been liking Starbucks for at least a decade.
Yeah like the prices were getting way too high for what I felt was declining quality in the drinks. I wasn’t going there NEARLY as often even before the boycotts.
esp bc there was an anti union boycott before!!
Also lowkey we literally need content out there from liberal creators that is lighthearted. I know its not the same but as a trans person its so fucking difficult to find content that aligns with my beliefs that doesnt also constantly bring up all of the anti-trans shit going on in the world rn. Like yeah, i know, i literally live it everyday please stop reminding me when im trying to relax 🥲
I wanna clarify that this stuff absolutely needs to be talked about. But there also needs to be spaces where people can take a breath and chill you know
that kinda burnout is exactly why i had to leave most socials in 2020, kept getting videos on my feed of horrific acts of violence but apparently not wanting to see that kind of thing was selfish because "that's the reality some people have to deal with"
like i already have trouble fighting off the overwhelming sense of dread at the state of the world, i don't need y'alls help making it worse, thanks
@Pasalallaamdjbdjjbdbd how about a more charitable reading of the comment? "Life is exhausting and difficult, and i spend all day hearing about and/or experiencing awful things and sometimes i would like to go home at the end of the day and be able to relax a little because i am just a person."
@Pasalallaamdjbdjjbdbdyou’re the kind of person he’s talking to in this video. Quit being such a disingenuous POS and acting like your entire existence is spent fighting for moral causes. Or have you somehow figured out how to only consume ethically under capitalism (which is literally impossible)? Humans need rest. Grow up and accept that for the fact that it is.
@Pasalallaamdjbdjjbdbdi see you keep going into comments and intentionally twisting them to fit a narrative you've made up in your mind. You seem to have control issues and are using acting out in the comments has a way to gain that back in your life. Their answers will never satisfy you. It seems like you don't want them to agree with you, you just want to control their responses to fit your own narrative. How about you just take a step back and evaluate why you need to respond to every comment in bad faith. The world is already unbearable. No need to join in.
Starbucks isn't on the BDS list, doesn't have a store in Israel and doesn't give money to them. The only things that ties them to this conflict is a dispute with their union over not wanting their logo on political material and the CEO personally supporting Israel without even giving money to them.
At that rate you have to boycott everything to be consistent because most businesses in the US do that since it's a core tenet of Evangelical Christianity. Boycotts don't even work unless it's local or highly organized such as BDS. Before anyone accuses me, I'm pro-palestinian and there isn't even a Starbucks in my city.
Doesnt matter if its not on the list, we need to show businesses that supporting genocide costs them. Just like how makeup started saying it used no animal testing and fish starting claiming they were gotten sustainably. Now businesses need to make it clear they don't support genocide, and Starbucks did the opposite, so is being boycotted.
This boycott spread and is an important cause for the Starbucks losses, so why not mention it in a video about that?
@@jessy1982 Again, most businesses in the US are zionist. It's not a cause of their losses, correlation does not equal causation. If the boycotts were at fault we would've seen these losses in October. The stock market is completely arbitrary anyway. Tesla is the biggest car manufacturer because they're a tech company, not because they sell the most. Even Trump's Truth Social is worth more than Intel.
How exactly is the company supposed to find out your reasons for not shopping with them anyway? They will just do what's safest and stay neutral as Starbucks has done. The CEOs personal life is not Starbucks.
@@jessy1982 Starbucks has been clear on their position - they condemn all violence. It sounds wishy washy, but they have also partnered with World Central kitchen since 2019, and made a donation of $3 million to feed Gaza back in March this year. All sales of Odyssey Coffee funds the same cause. I swear people just get embarrassed when they find out they believed misinformation and decide to move the goalpost for what constitutes "supporting genocide" . There are plenty of valid criticisms of Starbucks, which D'Angelo articulated pretty well, but when it comes to the conflict there is nothing much there, except an ex CEO being Jewish and owning shares... in a publicly traded company from which anyone can buy shares.
Most of the people hounding creators about this issue don’t give three F’s about the people in Palestine! they’re just morality policing other people!
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they don’t care about their own communities. very very few of them volunteer at the pantry, hand out food to the homeless, don’t even vote for their local politicians, etc. very performative.
100%. These are the same people who didn’t even know or care that anything was happening in Palestine until last year. So tired of their voices drowning out everyone else.
This part! I’m so over people in the comments making it about Palestinians. And then being very rude and hateful in the comments! If we’re being factual, the decline was already happening before people decided to boycott. If D’Angelo wants to center his research on the other very major reasons why Starbucks couldn’t meet their numbers the past few quarters then let him do that. But to just jump to conclusions and say he blatantly did it to show that he’s anti-Palestine is crazy. What are y’all wanting from him really? What was the end goal besides just finding a reason to be upset about something? It’s getting weird.
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“You support genocide” is the go to phrase for a lot of people who want to APPEAR like the gaf about Palestinians. It’s virtue signaling at its most disingenuous.
saviour-y like
And the ironic thing is most of these people accusing other of supporting genocide don’t even care about the Palestinians
In fact most of them even hate Palestinians especially in the Muslim world
They scream about saving Palestine but do nothing other than accuse others of being z1onists
Except the majority of people weren't even saying that, they were just confused as to why he didn't mention Palestine. He's never explicitly said his opinion about Palestine, like the majority of other commentary youtubers, and he discusses topics that relate to Palestine without ever mentioning Palestine. As Palestinians, we are used to leftists being leftist with the exception of Palestine and that's why there's a huge push to get influencers to talk about Palestine when necessary. And unless it was to virtue signal to genocide apologists, we have never been part of any sort of conversation for 76 years. Wanting to be included in internet commentary that specifically relates to us is not virtue signaling, it's a completely valid concern to have.
@@mabd2684trying to bully people into talking about it isn’t the way to go though…
I knew this would happen bro omg, I was getting pissed at ppl assuming stuff, im not surprised a video was made😭
People have “gotten in trouble” for saying people are displaced because of the passive tone. There’s no winning with people like that. If you say everything they say, they’ll complain that you were too late.
Your calm, respectful candor is greatly appreciated. 🌺
I hate this performative side of Internet activism. Particularly in the case of Starbucks: Almost no one cared when it came out they were using forced and child labor on their plantations in Africa. I only know a few others who knew or cared to boycott the brand like I did. Seeing people try to exert pressure on others is so dystopian and I have no words for the selective prioritization and moral policing of human rights issues.
So, just because people weren't taking action before, they shouldn't take any new action against it anymore? The Palestinian plight has been going under the radar for SEVENTY FIVE years. People did not care that they were being ethnically cleansed. It took a full blown genocide, complete immunity, funding and support from the US government for people to finally care about it. Human rights issues aren't an oppression Olympics.
they didnt care about the real issues but care because someone whos literally just their largest private shareholder and isnt the ceo and isnt even on the board anymore so therefore has no say in anything involving the company is a zionist. they dont choose who invests in the company/buys shares like tf. there was also an official list of businesses to boycott and starbucks wasnt on it. i hate performative activism. they pick something. then completely forget abt it. moved from blm to ukraine to palestine like its nothing. when black people are still being senselessly killed in hate fuelled attacked still by cops too. and ukraine is literally still at war with russia and being bombed. etc. etc. and the people who say they care about not supporting companies who use child labour/sweatshops dont do any real research. they get on ppls asses for buying from shein bc its fast fashion but most ppl buy bc its cheap and they cant afford a bunch of normal shit. then theyll go buy theyre starbucks and wear their nike etc etc. i hate performative activism sm.
That part
Also not to mention the union busting and crap working conditions that have been going on for literal years, and are probably only going to get worse with this new CEO. Free Palestine all day long but there's been other reasons not to get Starbucks, and there's so many other companies that are worse on their stance with the genocide. Heck the BDS list never added Starbucks to their list of companies to definitively avoid because of their ties to Israel, it's just been an organic boycott.
Starbucks also literally does not do any business in Israel. It takes literally half a second to Google this. They completely pulled out of the Israeli market in 2003, over 20 years ago. The Starbucks boycott is just the leftist version of the red Christmas cup conspiracy.
Mind you Starbucks isn't even on the official BDS boycott list. The fake activism is getting crazy.
This!!!!
@JennaLovesSabrina lmao shut up
So what?
@@arianamiranda3660are you dense on purpose?
It's not anymore? Because it's been on the boycott list for many years now, from profiting in occupied territories and I think also for giving a bit of their profits to Israel's Government/armed forces.
I support you D’Angelo. We live in such a politically charged climate that makes assumptions based on what is/isn’t discussed. While this war is more about human rights than politics, those same people want to drag you instead of being a part of the solution. I respect your thought process behind this.
People these days will even cannibalize members of their own side and movement.
This is what "So you hate waffles?" discourse gets us
AHHHHH I didn’t even know people were saying thattt. I think ur opinion was implied lmaoooo. U weren’t even in support of Starbucks so I don’t understand the logic of getting mad at u?????
@gov_-r8f ??
@@Bella-ne4jmit’s a bot. It’s leaving these replies on every comment
Mega online wannabe activists that just tweet tweet tweet and put the Palestine flag on their username assume the dumbest
bro is testing out their bot to see if it works
@@Bella-ne4jm did my comment get deleted? Damn
Wild to me that even someone as well versed and dedicated to educating and comprehensive research as D'Angelo would *still* come under scrutiny from the "so you dont like waffles" crowd. I cant even imagine questioning his integrity when you see it in every video he appears in.
he's literally been a part of Creators for Palestine...like. what.
THIS
Literally
In the past few years, people online have adopted this mentality that you need to clarify EVERYTHING you say so that EVERYONE is validated. You are absolutely correct. You didn't have to nessisarily respond, because the people leaving these comments have missed the point. When crafting something informative or informational, it would be silly to include details that don't relate to your thesis, especially something as complex and heartbreaking as a genocide.
As a recent former batista at Starbucks. The people who spend money at Starbucks and the people protesting for Gaza are not even a venn diagram but two separate circles. I guarantee the boycott has affected sales a bit, but really, the people to spend money at Starbucks in the greater scheme are those who are at Starbucks every day, and none of them care enough to step away from their usual place. They are the ones coming in less and buying less. They are the ones affecting sales. I watched it with my own eyes.
Thank you
I was a regular and stopped going specifically for the boycott. I'll readily accept it's an uncommon occurrence but it's not two separate circles
You work at one Starbucks ….
You can't say they're two separate circles while simultaneously saying "I guarantee the boycott has affected sales". If the people in charge of the boycott are pro-palestine protestors, then yes, there's a venn diagram.
@@pierayanna how many starbucks do you work at?
critiquing starbucks = pro genocide ?? 😭
Some people are upset D'Angelo didn't mention the genocide during his video critiquing Starbucks.
@@FAB13 = pro genocide???????????????
Mostly. And they forgot even before the boycott there was nothing on Starbucks menu worth going back for. Most of the new drinks are just meh. The prices are out of hand. The frappes changed for the worse. Like seriously whip on the bottom too? Why? And the only thing people really ran into a Starbucks for in mass was the Stanley cup. Anything else? Not really. They give the boycott too much credit for something that was already a sinking ship. Heck they brought out the fall menu this last 22nd just to bring in the fall season people. I won’t be shocked if they kept pushing up the release date next year or the year afterwards.
@@FAB13 yes and through their feelings they are calling D'Angelo names and saying he is pro genocide
I feel like media literacy/comprehension skills have gone down so much in the past few years. Just because someone doesn’t mention something doesn’t mean they are for that thing.
Real. It’s like if tabloids don’t exist and fact checking suddenly vanished. Like howww did y’all not learn this in elementary school? I wish I lacked critical thinking skills and emotional intelligence, yall seem so happy
@@glasstablegcrls either really happy or really angry/afraid. it’s a double edged sword lol
They’re being purposely obtuse imo. They know damn well, but they want to create drama.
The chronically online/performative activist people ruin everything.
"Starbucks is failing, yo."
"Oh, so you support genocide??"
"What."
I'm glad people are passionate about speaking out against the Palestinian genocide. Truly. I wish more people were, to be honest. But that energy is best spent ACTUALLY helping Palestine via donations to families, protesting against Israel and holding the US responsible for the role its played in facilitating the ongoing genocide -- not nitpicking and antagonizing online creators for unrelated things. I get how powerless these people might feel sitting behind a screen, but taking out your ineffectual anger on people that don't actually deserve it won't get us anywhere.
This was probably the most empathetic response I've seen to this situation.
Finally, a proper comment that doesn't rub me the wrong way. Literally, if you want to be leaving angry comments that can be used for change then it's better to email your local government representatives. At the end of the day, they're the ones who actually have a voice in what money is donated to what country.
@@marqkc Exactly my point, thank you! Being angry is fine. It's good actually. That's how we know something's not right, when we're angry. Misplacing and misdirecting that anger onto "easier" targets is both vile and unproductive.
Bumping this bc it deserves to be at the top. Absolutely perfect way to concisely summarize this situation.
This is the best response in this comment section
As a Muslim, I can't stand when other Muslims (or non-Muslims for that matter) go around policing everyone and always expecting them to talk about Palestine. Yet those same people won't talk about other tragedies going on in the world and couldn't care less tbh. I recently had a Muslim coworker show me some Instagram DMs from a childhood friend who responded to mentioned coworker regarding a story post. My co-worker literally just posted a photo of their car and this friend of theirs somehow got mad and told him he should be focusing on Palestine. Like what? What correlation is there? Do we have to spend every second of our lives talking about Palestine and not live our lives?
pro palestine middle eastern here !! (that also used to work for starbucks for 2 years recently) just for clarification because people don’t do research on their own, starbucks donations are public. they’ve never donated to israel, do not have businesses open in israel, but have not taken a stance because they have a history of staying out of widely publicized injustices. during the blm movements, sbux partners weren’t even allowed to wear blm pins even though starbucks is a “zero tolerance for discrimination” type of company. they’ve even recently donated to humanitarian aid that benefits palestinians. (which personally i believe was done because of the backlash) so while they haven’t donated to and come out in support of israel, it’s still wrong that as a large company with money and influence, they had chosen to stay silent on such an important issue.
Y'all really couldn't just ask "how come you didn't mention this?" Without immediately jumping to worst case scenarios?
It's so unfortunate that D'Angelo even had to clarify this.
unrelated but the art in your pfp is so cute! ❤
he did mention it, which they would know if they watched the entire video.
@@thesingingtown thanks ❤️
@@pietrofattorello I feel even if they heard why before, they'd still make their mind up
I didn't know anyone was accusing him of supporting Israel, I was one of the "how come you didn't mention this?" people 🤷🏽♀️ I wasn't assuming anything, I just thought it could've been brought up.
people seriously interpreted that video as supporting israel’s genocide?? as a palestine supporter this isn’t a topic i’d compromise on. but people are deadass getting performative in the way they’re projecting malicious intent or pro-israel sentiment to every little action and something so unrelated. D’Angelo doesn’t deserve this, we *have* to do better.
They are getting extremely performative yeah. Plus, all that performative-ness only harms the actual points being made.
These are the same people who think commenting watermelon emojis on random ass Jewish pages is "critiquing the Israeli government" without taking into account even Israelis hate their government and want the violence to stop
No, most people were just confused as to why he didn't mention palestine when it does relate to the topic.
Honestly i wasn't angry, nore just a tiny bit confused albeit I didn't... Immediately presume he supported genocide tbh. I try and presume the best in scenarios and this video based on the comments cleared my fears (Signed, someone with severe moral ocd)
@@mabd2684 Most people unfortunately don't cancel out the people who DID accuse him of supporting Israel/genocide. There's an entire thread accusing him of not being pro-Palestine, being silent on Palestine, being shady, being greedy, only caring about clicks, "aiding and abetting" the acts of Israel, etc etc. Those are the people that are being talked about, not folks who were only ASKING.
Silence is not ALWAYS complacency. We have a cultural idea, and far too many examples, of the silent celebrity- fighting backlash or criticism by saying nothing at all (cough cough, Cody Ko). Sometimes, a subject is irrelevant or out of place in a particular tone/conversation, and that doesn’t make the facilitator of that conversation complacent in hate speech or misinformation.
Thank you for making your stance clear, and opening up a discussion about mandatory social justice online. Shouts out, dude.
Frrr, I was silent for a while because it was deteriorating my mental health while I was already hospitalized and people made me feel like I was a horrible person for not speaking about it
I mean honestly it would take 30 seconds to objectively state the controversy or describe it. Silence is complacency
Some people think they are owed a civil rights leader when they loaded up youtube to watch regular dude at home recording a video. We should always encourage courage but never shame people for not commenting.
Especially if we're talking about someone who has progressive comments on 99.9% of their coverage of social issues. Like if someone with D'angelo's record can be dragged through the mud on social media, I don't think anyone is safe anymore...
@@globalelite3042I guarentee you people would still find issues with a creator’s statement if they took 30 seconds to address an issue. People would be saying stuff like “wow they only spent 30 seconds on this, they should’ve made a whole video” or “this is just to earn brownie points and doesn’t cover all the nuances of the subject”, etc etc.
Silence is not complacency. There is a time and place for serious discussions to be had, and sometimes mentioning a subject in the wrong place and time will only make it worse instead of better. No one likes the guy who starts ranting about politics in the middle of a Christmas family dinner. You can still support a cause without directly talking about it.
@@globalelite3042what would that accomplish? What could be said in 30 seconds? I'm asking for real here, things are desperate right now.
If you have the time, could I get your opinions (and/or anyone else's!) in a lil mini-survey?
What would you like to see organizers do? Do you want us to be reaching out to creators more? Is there anything in particular you wish you or others knew more about?
Any answers would be incredibly useful. A lot of us are feeling stuck at the moment. Thank you for your time 🙏🕊️
GENUINELY. Being that chronically online is crazy. They need an award for jumping to that conclusion because I don't believe I could even pull that out of my ass.
“Nice weather we’re having!”
“ *Holy shit I can’t believe you’re a climate change denier* “
I've been accused of being a climate change denier for mentioning that my area has been cooler (There's a weird pressure situation that when a valley south of here causes a pressure thing that makes ocean breezes stronger, makes us cooler, aka global warming makes us cooler during the summer. It's 75F here today, which is relevantly hot for summer.)
@@hefoxed😭 do you know what’s even crazier, cooler weather in your area is also in part due to climate change. So those people don’t even know what they’re talking about.
I had a feeling this was coming
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Same 😅 the comments on that last video were really harsh for no particular reason...
Samee
I love your pfp 😭
@@00st307-m Thank you! I'm about to change it to the "Elmo screaming with fire in the background" meme 😂
SAME
I cannot imagine how “shitting on Starbucks” could constitute “supporting Starbucks’ support of Israel”
dude what?? starbucks has NEVER supported israel. i am BEGGING YOU TO LOOK THIS UP AND STOP LENDING CREDENCE TO THIS LIE
@@expensivepink7 They don't financially support Israel but their former CEO is openly supportive of Israel and they sued their workers union for making people think Starbucks "supported terrorism" by posting a pro-Palestine tweet.
@@expensivepink7 hate to tell you, but the “actual story” (punishing workers who speak up about palestine off-hours) is still support for Israel
Sending money to the Israeli military is not the only way a company can support genocide. Suppressing workers’ free speech against said genocide while doing nothing about those who support it is also support.
@@expensivepink7 I mean if genocide is your thing then you do you I guess 🤷
@harrylane4 it was using the company logo. People mistakenly attributed it to the brand causing consumer backlash, vandalism and (ironically) calls for boycott. You can read the whole court case, it is online. Employees can say whatever they want about the conflict they just gotta make sure it doesn't look like their personal stance is affiliated with the company. Starbucks also donated 3 million dollars to food relief in Gaza, their only official company move in relation to the war.
The performative activism is crazy with this one… Starbucks has so many issues. Why would someone talk about just one
i actually feel it's a good idea not to include such an important topic into a lighthearted video about making fun of ceos... it would be making it a diservice to gloss over it
Blake Lively is getting so much hate rn for being lighthearted about her DV movie, but people want D'Angelo to include such a heavy topic in his video.. He dodged a bigger bullet
and if he did mention it then, people would’ve been jumping down his throat for “downplaying” the boycott and it’s reasoning
I appreciate you sharing the info you shared. Not all conversations need to include every aspect of the a topic. I love your light content as of late. The world is very overwhelming, and it's nice to take a break.
This is like a few months ago when Danny Gonzalez had a Starbucks cup sitting on his desk. Instead of giving him the benefit of doubt and assuming he didn't know about their stance on Israel and Palestine, people IMMEDIATELY jumped to the conclusion that he supported genocide and said terrible things about him and called him awful things. We are so quick to judge people without getting all (or in some cases - ANY) of the facts.
did he respond?
@@TristaAshley-b9m Yeah, he put out what I felt was a genuine apology and explained that he wasn't, in fact, aware of the controversy. His apology kind of broke my heart because he clearly felt horrible about it, but the way he was treated by so many so-called fans...I felt that he was owed an apology as well.
@@kimberlyblackwell3324 I don’t think it’s a bad thing for people to know who they are supporting. it’s good that he clarified his stance. many creators are still posting Starbucks and McDonald’s knowingly, and we as viewers should be able to know when that is or isn’t the case so we can make an informed decision
@@TristaAshley-b9m
Whyvdo you need someone else to tell you where they stand for you to make an "informed decision?" If you don't like that someone has a Starbucks or McDonald's product or any product that just happens to appear in their video, just leave. You don't need to announce your exit nor do they need to clarify whether they use the product or not if they aren't advertising it.
@Pasalallaamdjbdjjbdbd
Most creator are very neutral regarding this matter or are against genocide but don't want to delve into politics on their platform for fear that it will be something they need to address every time there's some sort of injustice. You don't need to hear them say that they do or don't support genocide to decide if you want to stay or leave. You want to hear them say it for **YOUR VALIDATION**. To stroke **YOUR EGO**. Again, if you feel that some creator, whether intentionally or not, supports a company you don't agree with, UNSUBSCRIBE. Invest your time and support those who fit your cause instead.
THAT is true common sense.
Your chappel roan video really doesnt make it seem like a huge issue to you, at all
Unfortunately, many don’t realise people have been boycotting the franchise prior to the events of oct 7th mainly due to the issues you highlighted in your video. The momentum of the BDS boycotts only added to the original cause. It’s a shame grace can’t be given nowadays. But I understood your intentions D’Angelo!
the thing is, starbucks isn't even on the bds list afaik. it's weird americans decided that's the one to focus on when at the core it is a workers rights IN AMERICA issue and only tangentially relates to palestine. not that I'm saying the boycott is wrong, bc these are genuine issues! but uh why we centering the US again here when there's actually other US companies that are actually financially involved?
@@ruininomiya7785 considering people are currently denouncing Kamala Harris and telling people not to vote for her (because she is pro-ceasefire and not pro-arms embargo) I don't think these people care about Americans. When the choice is Kamala Harris or living in an actual dictatorship under Trump (srsly he said 'i only want to be a dictator for ONE DAY" and we allllll know he lies) they would rather the dictatorship under Trump even though he wants Israel to 'finish the job'.
They don't fucking care about anything but their own ego.
Starbucks isn’t even on the BDS list because they don’t do any business with Israel, they completely pulled out of the Israeli market in 2003. All these morons on the Internet could literally just take half a second to actually check the BDS list or google “how many Starbucks locations are in Israel“ and they would find that the answer is ZERO. This whole thing is just the leftist version of the satanic red Christmas cup conspiracy.
I think that what a lot of folks who initially joined the boycott back in October of last year due to Starbucks support of Israel's attacks on Palestine aren't understanding is that currently, there is also a nation-wide movement of fast-food customers in general avoiding and boycotting due to increased prices. These these have overlapped, and your video was based on corporate greed. As altruistic a thing it is to punish corporations for how they invest, the reality is MOST people won't join in a boycott until it affects them in some way, and that usually means their wallet. When these corporations went ham with the menu prices, most folks said ENOUGH and stopped going, effectively "joining the boycott".
"the reality is MOST people won't join in a boycott until it affects them in some way" I agree and I don't think there's as many who care about the genocide as it doesn't pertain to most Americans and their community. Some people have super empathy and care for every single human being but most people aren't like that. They only care, like you said, when it affects them. Not to mention many Americans are burnt out are on survival mode only looking out for themselves
I’m pretty sure the boycott came about after Starbucks sued their union to not use the official company logo in the union statement released in support of Palestine. They’re not on the BDS list and as far as I’m aware don’t have any record of supporting the Israeli government or investing in Israel. Imo I feel like the Starbucks boycott as a whole is emblematic of what he’s talking about. It’s well meaning people but the energy isn’t being channeled towards a productive goal
In the time it took you to write this comment, you could’ve just googled whether Starbucks actually does any business with Israel at all. They do not. They have zero locations in Israel. They do not sell their coffee in any Israeli stores. They completely pulled out of the Israeli market in 2003, over 20 years ago, and they are not on the list because they have not done any business with Israel in over 20 years. So where are you getting this notion that “Starbucks supports Israel’s attack on Palestine”? You are just as misinformed as the conservatives a couple years ago who thought that Starbucks was satanic for having red cups at Christmas time
I bet 1000% that the people who felt the need to come at him about this haven't donated a single dollar to help the civilians affected, nor have they sent any money to aid workers nor volunteered themselves. They literally do nothing but attack other people online for their perceived stances on an issue they barely care about themselves. Humans are exhausting.
How the hell did people come to that conclusion from the Starbucks video
"Protestors" who stay online really need to log off and use that energy in positive ways.
The idealization/de-idealization of content creators is so sick man
Folks put y’all on a pedestal and more eagerly tear you down
It’s crazy that such a trajectory can happen but that’s just the reality of the world we’re in
Sorry folks are like that D’Angelo, and hey at least you’ve got an updated view of your viewership
Honestly, Everyone screaming "what about Palestine" during every single other conversation that folks have is doing nothing for the cause
A bunch of performative, armchair “activism”. The equivalent of typing “lol” with a stone straight face.
and also, Starbucks doesn't support Israel. People are yelling so loud about wrong information and it makes the cause look like something sane people should stay away from.
I think it's important to keep it at the front of people's minds, especially Americans who are about to choose between two presidential candidates who are both committed to continuing the genocide. Americans mustn't forget Gaza and must apply whatever pressure they can. That said, it seems like the comments D'Angelo got went way beyond "what about Palestine" and people don't deserve abuse for saying nothing unless they are politicians
@@MrSomnix Howard Schultz, the founder, chairman, president and chief executive officer of Starbucks who also owns 22 million shares of Starbucks stock (worth around $2 billion (SBUX) as of May 12, 2022) is an active Zionist.
In 1998 he was honored by the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah with "The Israel 50th Anniversary Friend of Zion Tribute Award" for his services to the Zionist state in "playing a key role in promoting close alliance between the United States and Israel".
Howard Shultz work as a propagandist for Israel has been praised by the Israeli Foreign Ministry as being key to Israel's long-term PR success. On April 4th 2002, whilst the Israeli army was slaughtering Palestinians in Jenin Howard Shultz made a provocative speech blaming the Palestinians, suggesting the intifada was a manifestation of anti-Semitism, and asked people to unite behind Israel.
Notably, Schultz made headlines with a substantial $1.7 billion investment in an Israeli cybersecurity startup named Wiz. This investment underscores Schultz’s commitment to Israel’s economic growth and technological advancements, prompting questions about Starbucks’ indirect alignment with Israeli interests.
There is an open Supreme Court case regarding Starbucks firing employees days after they shared their intent to unionize. The NLRB sided with most of the employees cases, agreeing that their firing was unjustified. So there is more to the overall argument that Starbucks is anti-union than just the October logo issue.
Additionally, Schultz’s a billionaire Zionist who profits off of the continued success of Starbucks. So continuing to support their business is contributing to their largest shareholder’s wealth and investment in an Israeli company and Zionism ideals.
And then in a year they will forget about it like they forgot about ukrine.
Well it was nice getting D’Angelo videos while it lasted. Great job, everybody.
please I thought you saw me pigging out and got scared 😭😭
CACKLING at this while I eat my burnt nachos 😂
D'Angelo is in all our walls😂
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HELP I LAUGHED WAY TOO HARD AT THIS
Underrated comment 😂
anyone assuming that you support genocide just because you don't happen to mention it in a video that has nothing to do with genocide, are just moral grandstanding. Love the daily content btw I'm glad you're in a better place now.
Wait, I thought that people were boycotting Starbucks because of their union-busting? It's not on the BDS list afaik. Am I missing something or did people get confused?
yeah there’s basically no reason to boycott Starbucks for palestine bc they don’t monetarily support israel in any way.
also a tip about the union busting thing: dont boycott any company to support a union unless the union is on strike and tells you to. you should remember that the people in the union work for that company, they only want sales to decrease during specific times in order to send a message
yeah the Starbucks boycott thing was because of a social media post by a Starbucks union afaik, so not actually Starbucks's fault
Their union busting is what kicked off the boycott. Starbucks doesn't even OPERATE in Israel...
Just stop being a sheep and do whatever the fk you want.
Starbucks is being boycotted for several reason. Unfortunately if a ground feels you have slighted their reason for boycotting Starbucks, they will instantly attack. It sad D'Angelo had to put this out because of the unfounded backlash.
I think people being passionate about the human rights crisis in Gaza is great. It’s wonderful we have encouraged and educated each other so much. I do think people are becoming (and understandably so) very reactive to many things even tentatively related to what’s going on in the world around us. D’Angelo, there are countless times you’ve made me laugh and smile. I hope one day we can move past assuming the worst intentions of others and instead give people more grace. I know I have a lot of work to do on that myself. ❤
The bullying when it comes to this topic is getting out of hand. 🤦♀️
It has been getting out of hand for a while…
It’s been out of hand from day 1. You couldn’t express any horror over the attack before single retaliatory strike had been launched. But that follows the pattern- there’s never nuance with social media’s responses. It’s good vs evil, black & white thinking. There are no victims on the “evil” side.
@@qqqqqqqqqqqqqq7665 its been out of hand the moment tiktok and twitter got their mitts on it
Starbucks isn’t even on the BDS list. If you want to boycott for any other reason that’s more than valid, but keep your messaging straight.
exactly. I feel like people are going off of random "BDS lists" they see on tiktok
This. For sure. We are SOOOO beyond losing the plot right now
Yup, you're right. People are sometimes going off of random lists on platforms like TikTok, because idk, they think they know better or something? Some don't even mention the BDS movement... like... do they not know how boycotting is effective when targeted by a large group of people?
And then they turn around and become reactionary in the blame game, because they perceive others (like D'Angelo) to not do it their way, so they don't do it 'correctly'. It's such B.S. and a waste of time and focus. I'm sorry, it just pisses me of. It's surface level activism that doesn't achieve anything. It reminds me of the damn black squares all over again.
Is the CEO of Starbucks not a Zionist
Starbucks isn't BDS listed but the boycott against Starbucks has been more widely known than most other non-BDS boycotts. It's widespread enough to still matter even if it's a separate boycott altogether.
Im sorry people are stupid. We know youre cool. Sincerely, a Muslim ❤
He was so nice and well spoken about this. Shame people don’t have critical thinking.
The rabid nature of some of the pro Palestine spaces are doing far more harm than good and it is truly sad to see innocent Palestinians be used as tools for people to feel morally virtuous about themselves rather than actually caring about the plight of human beings in that area.
Ong if only they could stop trying to crucify and just actually support the movement which thanks to them has been reduced to the “new ukraine”
They watched people die before their eyes and lose limbs. I don’t think you realize the effects of watching war crimes daily has on people. Then the media lies about it and content creators hardly make mention of it. I’m not defending calling him disgusting or pro-Zionist by extension, but you have to recognize in the least why it would be relevant to the topic of Starbucks downfall in a video about such a thing
lmfao ok bud.
Fr like… it’s doing more harm than good atp. I’m all about Free Palestine but I find the attitudes of a lot of people so insufferable I don’t wanna engage with them. It would be more effective if everyone was pulling on the same rope, but this extreme aggression and accusing people of the worst possible intentions when they don’t incessantly post about it or don’t mention it every five minutes is causing division between people who ultimately agree with each other. This extreme virtue signalling is fracturing the movement.
This! It really feels like the lefty version of the fighting for the unborn.
as a longtime Palestinian subscriber, this means alot. also, i don't understand how can anyone watch any of you videos and think you're gonna side with colonizers, truly messed up. don't stress yourself over their misjudgment of your character. much love from Palestine!
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Also this may be a weird thing to think but as a POC I really hope the people calling him out aren’t white. Because that makes their behavior even worse. To automatically assume a black man would side with colonizers
Leave black people out of your fight
@@PastelPixie99 When did she mention Black people?
@@PastelPixie99wait till bro hears about black Palestinians
c’mon y’all, we knew D’Angelo did not support the g3nocide. thank you for the clarification and we are grateful for you. Free Falasteen! Free Gaza! Free Congo! Free Sudan! our liberation is incomplete without the liberation of all beings.
ppl shocked when corporations are morally shit will always be wild to me
THATS CRAZY. Those people are so disgusting and ruin everything.. who lacks comprehension skills enough to not realize that the video was making fun of starbucks's current downfall and the whole fast food industry? "dissapointing" my ass, continue doing you D'Angelo. You know you're amazing and i'm glad you spoke up about this immediately
i am so confused with the whole waffles/pancakes mentality. people can want to talk about lighthearted things and still not support the awful things of the world. these things DO coexist nowadays, and we can equally attribute our focus. but not every conversation includes both of these at once, and some people (mainly chronically online people) need to realize that
A lot of people panic and lash out when they feel powerless. That doesn't make it right, lashing out only moves the pain onto others and makes us look bad.
Their parents never taught them how to work through emotions & just let technology do it first them.
I think a lot of people have heard that they should demand that public figures with platforms speak out about Palestine but did not receive that message with any kind of instructions about how to actually do that effectively. All panic, no praxis.
The measured materialist response I was looking for
I think they just like bullying people tbh. You have to be a dumbass (or wilfully obtuse) to actually believe a creator like D'Angelo is supporting Israel
@@glupik1234 yeah those people are crazy, but it is something that should be mentioned in some way. if you expect any more than that in a lighthearted video then you aren't focusing on the real issues. people are sad and scared and can't change anyhting. What they can chang is what their fav content creator says.
Internet people are weird. They should demand POLITICIANS do it, not online figures. Like sure, I get it, more traction yada yada, but it's missing the point.
@@paradox9369 I completely agree that we should be putting pressure on politicians, but I do think online public figures have the opportunity to do something different that’s also important. This isn’t a struggle over direct international policymaking, it’s more a fight for the position of the Overton window. Public figures are probably a lot more useful than politicians in changing what is considered inherently political versus what is considered a normative opinion to have. There are valid reasons people might be hesitant about this topic, like a lack of faith in their own ability to always recognize underlying antisemitic tropes. Educating oneself will always be easier said than done because propaganda and misinformation are things that exist. The public conversation, which public figures can have a lot of influence over, creates framing for entry points to the topic, not just in discussion but even in how people begin to form an opinion. Not every public figure is going to be good at doing that, and they’re going to be less equipped to talk about some topics than others. I really feel like demanding that every public figure make an attempt anyway, especially with the inhuman time pressure of the internet, is very unlikely to yield ideal results. I think it went incredibly well in this case, but only because D’Angelo did an outstanding job from a difficult position. That’s not always going to happen. I unfortunately just don’t know enough to be more than an armchair referee about this, so I’m unsure about how to improve the situation. I sure would like to know, though.
Thank you for going out of your way to make this clarification! Compassionate communication is invaluable!
FREE PALESTINE!!!