"The essential thing "in heaven and earth" is that there should be long obedience in the same direction; there thereby results, and has always resulted in the long run, something which has made life worth living." [Friedrich Nietzsche]
You can trust my intuition and it says that you have some residual patriarchy from the way you were brought up. You need to know that you are in good company. When you had the thought, "i have done so much work and everything right," this suggests that you are struggling with self hate which we all do, in different locations of our lives and to greater degrees of wounding. In your case, self hate is arising in a choice to either find another church that is at your level of patriarchy, or continue to work on your own at the your current church. This choice considers the possible different amount of patriarchy of the parishioners from you before joining and the different amount that patriarchy gets addressed/healed in this parish compared to your alternatives. Do you see what I mean? Some are happy to repress the ways they were brought up and let it show its ugly head behind closed doors and deal with it as couple and others are more damaged by patriarchy and must be more honest about it out in the open, working on it as a parish. Patriarchy is not your fault, nor is the degree you are suffering from it, and most importantly, nor is there a better time in history for the entire country to be dealing with it together, meaning, you are not alone and certainly don't need to be made to feel ashamed; and you clearly are being made to feel ashamed where you are. You and your faith are strong enough to face this part of you. Don't worry about my credibility, if something I have written agrees with you, then you only need to worry about your credibility at that point. This is one of the problems with the world that can be traced back to the foundations of patriarchy, the need to discredit people who speak truth and the requirement we are socialized to fulfill where we must question someone's authority before we can receive truth as though conversations and relationships are not invoking the truth that we know ourselves and bringing out into the forefront of our attention. Authority and credibility are important for sure, but the fabric of society has tipped the scale in favor of it and away from encouraging individuals to develop their intuition and wisdom as common sense which requires no formal training or institutions.
@@TheMeaningCode My idea is that if William expresses a desire for an arena that is not co-ed, then his intuition is telling him this for a reason that this is an obstacle, for him, to connecting with love. I am reading his intuition and I have no reason to deny him of it. I think this is an indicator of patriarchy and that he has a choice to either go deeper into healing that or to accept himself and seek that arena in another church since it does seem to be something this church is making him ashamed of. Sorry, the timestamp is where-ever William is expressing the desire for a different kind of arena. Maybe "patriarchy" is too strong of a word and is all bad, but I don't think that is true. The whole country is currently deciding on this, it is one of the most important changes in the world we are making right now for future generations. But do you see what I mean? It could be the case that his fellow parishioners are repressing their desire for patriarchy and are no more advanced than William, or it could be that they are more advanced than him. Either way, even if you want to take patriarchy out of the discussion, his unmet desire leaves him with a choice to go within where he is, or to seek different kind of support from a church that feels the same way he does.
@@TheMeaningCode This is by no means whatsoever meant to be an attack, although I understand how using a word like patriarchy can always already be viewed as one, especially when diverting a conversation towards it that is absent of it. To further set WIlliam at ease, I just want to explain that every generation since the baby boomers is becoming more enlightened by the equality of women in the USA and continues to set an example to their preceding generation in terms of transmuting negative assumptions about the other gender, however, those who claim to be achieving ideal settings of inclusion can merely be doing so for show and actually be just as entrenched in social constructions as the parents they attempt to not be like. I don't know anything about your church, but I do know that I am not saying you are a patriarchal man, just that this is the challenge for all men of each subsequent generation since the baby boomers for the foreseeable future.
Thank you Karen, it was a pleasure to speak with you again.
@phlebas9204 indeed, was there anything in particular that stood out to you?
This was an interesting and encouraging video to watch.
Thank you for your openness and the great conversation.
Thank you so much!
Karen ❤😊You are so amazing
No no no! William is amazing. I wish more people could hear his wisdom.
@@TheMeaningCode Exactly, I tell my brother the same thing all the time. I have been so blessed to have such and amazing older brother and friend.
"The essential thing "in heaven and earth" is that there should be long obedience in the same direction; there thereby results, and has always resulted in the long run, something which has made life worth living." [Friedrich Nietzsche]
Thanks! I had no idea that is where this title originally came from
You can trust my intuition and it says that you have some residual patriarchy from the way you were brought up. You need to know that you are in good company. When you had the thought, "i have done so much work and everything right," this suggests that you are struggling with self hate which we all do, in different locations of our lives and to greater degrees of wounding. In your case, self hate is arising in a choice to either find another church that is at your level of patriarchy, or continue to work on your own at the your current church. This choice considers the possible different amount of patriarchy of the parishioners from you before joining and the different amount that patriarchy gets addressed/healed in this parish compared to your alternatives. Do you see what I mean? Some are happy to repress the ways they were brought up and let it show its ugly head behind closed doors and deal with it as couple and others are more damaged by patriarchy and must be more honest about it out in the open, working on it as a parish. Patriarchy is not your fault, nor is the degree you are suffering from it, and most importantly, nor is there a better time in history for the entire country to be dealing with it together, meaning, you are not alone and certainly don't need to be made to feel ashamed; and you clearly are being made to feel ashamed where you are. You and your faith are strong enough to face this part of you. Don't worry about my credibility, if something I have written agrees with you, then you only need to worry about your credibility at that point. This is one of the problems with the world that can be traced back to the foundations of patriarchy, the need to discredit people who speak truth and the requirement we are socialized to fulfill where we must question someone's authority before we can receive truth as though conversations and relationships are not invoking the truth that we know ourselves and bringing out into the forefront of our attention. Authority and credibility are important for sure, but the fabric of society has tipped the scale in favor of it and away from encouraging individuals to develop their intuition and wisdom as common sense which requires no formal training or institutions.
Could you provide the timestamp? I have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@TheMeaningCode oops, nevermind, I don't think you are open to this self inquiry
Actually, I do sincerely want to understand, but I need a time stamp so I know what to connect it to.
@@TheMeaningCode My idea is that if William expresses a desire for an arena that is not co-ed, then his intuition is telling him this for a reason that this is an obstacle, for him, to connecting with love. I am reading his intuition and I have no reason to deny him of it. I think this is an indicator of patriarchy and that he has a choice to either go deeper into healing that or to accept himself and seek that arena in another church since it does seem to be something this church is making him ashamed of. Sorry, the timestamp is where-ever William is expressing the desire for a different kind of arena. Maybe "patriarchy" is too strong of a word and is all bad, but I don't think that is true. The whole country is currently deciding on this, it is one of the most important changes in the world we are making right now for future generations. But do you see what I mean? It could be the case that his fellow parishioners are repressing their desire for patriarchy and are no more advanced than William, or it could be that they are more advanced than him. Either way, even if you want to take patriarchy out of the discussion, his unmet desire leaves him with a choice to go within where he is, or to seek different kind of support from a church that feels the same way he does.
@@TheMeaningCode This is by no means whatsoever meant to be an attack, although I understand how using a word like patriarchy can always already be viewed as one, especially when diverting a conversation towards it that is absent of it. To further set WIlliam at ease, I just want to explain that every generation since the baby boomers is becoming more enlightened by the equality of women in the USA and continues to set an example to their preceding generation in terms of transmuting negative assumptions about the other gender, however, those who claim to be achieving ideal settings of inclusion can merely be doing so for show and actually be just as entrenched in social constructions as the parents they attempt to not be like. I don't know anything about your church, but I do know that I am not saying you are a patriarchal man, just that this is the challenge for all men of each subsequent generation since the baby boomers for the foreseeable future.