I was really divided between the Pana and Sony, the APS-C performance is juicy but all the downsides from the Sony ecosystem together with the higher price kills it for me. I went with Panasonic instead.
Fantastic comparison of two awesome cameras. I'd say the large price difference between the two cameras is something worth considering. Once Sony address their ergonomics and Panasonic their continuous af in video they'll be unstoppable.
Thanks, there indeed is significant price difference, but I guess that people can decide which camera is worth their money based on provided information. There is something to improve on both cameras, but I actually think that both are great as they are, although smaller annoyances of A6500 are easier to fix than AF on G85 (if I dont consider 7-14mm as a fix). Thanks for watching and commenting!
>> Once Sony address their ergonomics Sony also have to do something about their reputation for building cameras that break easily and then cheating the user on the warranty and refusing post-warranty repairs. When people spend thousands of dollars on a system they want the sort of relationship that Canon and Nikon have provided. Fuji have realised this, but none of the other wannabes seem to have done so - and Sony are by far the worst.
I looked at both of these and bought the g85. To me, the handling was important. Also, there are many software features in the G85 that I thought would be good. Finally, there was the price.
Nice review! I've been torn between the two for weeks now and still not sure which one to stay with. Thanks for shedding some light on the differences between the two cameras!
I would say that G85 is good enough, successor will have some improvements of course, but G85 is a good package as it is, except for the autofocus, but I don't think that it will be significantly improved in the next generation.
The Hybrid Shooter I just broke my vlog 2 GF7 so I can't wait long anyway. I vlog with manual focus so the autofocus is not an issue for me. I just have to get used to the size and the screen being on the side
Really great comparison ! Thanks so much. I should add that the price difference between G80/85 and A6500 is quite important ; something to bare in mind.
Thanks, I din't talk about price, because it varies and I wanted to let the people decide which camera is worth the price that is relevant to them on the base of what they see. I will be making more videos about this topic so I will also talk about that. Thanks for watching and commenting!
The Hybrid Shooter yea right theres 500$ difference in price.. but panasonic doesnt have any camera in between that price range.. a6500 cost around 1300$ body only.. i mean after g80 panasonic straight up jump to gh5.. and gh5 completely owned a6500 in all category.. so if we wanna compare a6500 with a panasonic.. its would be g80..
GH5 definitely doesn't own A6500 in every category, A6500 si better stills camera, autofocus is miles ahead, it is smaller and lighter, A6500 has a lot of advantages over GH5, but GH5 doesn't compete with A6500 IMO, GH5 is intended for serious filmmakers, average TH-camr or hybrid shooter probably won't be able to utilize advanced futures of GH5.
The Hybrid Shooter yea sir.. my bad.. ure right.. if its taking still photos a6500 is still better.. at that price range panasonic should develop its apsc sensor and lens selection.. btw u should make a comparison between d500 and d750.. despite its flaws and age.. d750 still produce a good picture.. many still confused on deciding between the 2.. so i think its still relevant.. and ur comparison videos are so full of detail.. im curios on how u compare that 2..
I would love to do that, but unfortunately, I don't own either of those cameras, and at the moment I can only review gear that I own and use... hopefully sometime in the future.
Excellent comparison. I picked m43 because I had enough of hauling around a bag of APS-C lenses. The bigger sensor does produce better pictures, but in my photography, there wasn't a discernible difference. I picked the G85 because of the handling: it was an easy transition from a Nikon D7000 to a G85. As you noted in the review, it's super easy to do almost everything; there are a few features that are poorly explained in the manual - but for most of these, TH-cam and DPR forums filled in the blanks.
7:59 is is still true even if you buy the firmware for cinelike D that IBIS cannot be used. I am looking to replace my gh3 with gx85 or g7 depending on the answer to this question.
IBIS - In body image stabilization is possible to use all the time. Only the Auto ISO can't be used with manual movie mode and manual exposure settings on G85.
okay your an expert, I have not spoken to an expert about this before but I have researched a lot. I'd like to Subscribe right now, :) I know the a6300 and sony E, and sigma 18-35 are amazing cameras and lenses for the price, I've used the a6300 with a Zeiss and love the small camera body, I like rangefinders better then slr,dslr body,. because I have a gh3 with a $10 adapter and a vintage 50mm fd Cannon. I am a manual focus no stabilization filmer at concerts and at music videos right now. But I want a cheap 4k v-log or cinelike d or V with IBIS and I eventually want to pair IBIS with lens ISO with Gimble IS. But I also want a street photography, vacation run and gun 4k video camera street portrait camera. I'm I aiming to low looking at the Gx85 and asking for all of this in one camera? if I want all these things in one, is it possible in gx85 $399(body)? is it possible in g7$380(body)? a6300$750(body)?(ebayusedprices) To keep the body similar to the A6300, with all these features does this gx85 still cut it? thinking of my love of low light concert video, and band portraits and low light portrait and street photography, is the gx85 body for $400, with a $500 Sigma 18-35 $199 Aputure DEC and $400 Ronin (used) all line up to compete at the pro image level? watch this comparison between 00:38 - 1:57-3:15 to grasp that impression of wanting IBIS street video like adventures with cheep short lenses, Wanting to be able to use adapters, wanting cinema color and limited color grading and limited noise at night, like fun summer camp stuff, all on the GX85. th-cam.com/video/BIIV71UicJA/w-d-xo.html, & bring out the ronin and sigma and Aputure DEC all attached to a gx85 with a dummy battery. for higher level shoots. My Friends and I made the sasquatch video last year on rented sonys they are all buying lumix GH5s, I dont have that kind of cash. facebook.com/SasquatchMusicFestival/videos/10155565126108967/
I don't think that GX85 is suitable for your purposes, if you intend to use it on the gimbal, IBIS is not that important, A6300 will give you great picture profiles and low light you can get something like Sigma 16mm F1.4 and 30mm F1.4 for professional grade image quality and you only need something like Zhiyun Crane for it. Unfortunately it is not possible to have everything for that price.
Although the focusing inferiority of the G80 in video is seen at segment 8:46, how does the touch screen respond to refocusing? As a beginner who is looking at the price difference between the two cameras, I can live with the focusing issue as long as the touch screen can quickly refocus the view during recording video, by touching the subject that I need focusing on.
I own the Panasonic G80/85 & you can touch the screen where you want to 'pull focus' in AF-S mode but it does hunt a little bit-it seems to find the focus point, go beyond then back which obviously looks a bit unprofessional. Better to use manual focus with focus peaking and get good at focus pulling yourself.
Thanks Steve. Having had my camera for a month, and a chance to experiment, I appreciate your point on manual focusing and using peaking to get a good focus. Also, when I am shooting landscape in low light and taking repeated shots in the distance, I tried auto focus hold/lock to keep focus locked on the distant scenery. I guess this is something we need to live with? LOL.
which camera would you recommend for a vlogger (so a lot of movement)? Right now I'm using the Lumix G7 but was looking to get something with stabilisation built in. The G80 looks good except for the not-so-great autofocus. Do you think it's worth losing the flip-out screen to get much better and faster autofocus with the a6500?
+22TV If you can get Panasonic 7-14 for G80, I reccomend G80, because almost everything is in focus with that lens anyway at wide angles. I think that it is the best combo for vlogging. I will make video about that soon. It should work quite well with G7 as well.
The Hybrid Shooter an overheating camera at a important project is a no-go for me. If its fine for you to pay this amount if money for this then go for it. I stick to cameras which are cheaper and which i can count to.
Please tell which camera shall i buy ,, from both of these i want to use camera for vlogging videos , interviews , shooting youtube shows and some time taking picture of products ,,
YASSSS thank you for making this video! I've been considering switching to a6500 from G85. I love so many things about the G85 but the video AF needs a lot of improvement.
You're welcome, actually since I figured out the settings, I didn't encounter that many situations where the focus failed, but it definitely needs some improvement.
I'm so torn between these two models. Which model is best advised for film making and shooting video at 4k? Anyone help or offer some advice. Appreciated!
I am shooting my kids vlog (2 to 8 years old) and also their daily activity. Which camera do you recommend, g85, gx85, lx100, gx9, em10 iii or eos m50?
Another great video! Thanks. Which setup would you recommend for a beginner. Taking pictures of watches. Thinking about the Panasonic G80, the Canon M50 or the Panasonic gx9. Which lens is best for product photography? Macro lens?
I bought the G85 that came with 2 kit lenses. After watching this I see that the Sony produces better quality however because I'm a beginner, price range was definitely a deal breaker for me. Especially considering all the accessories that cane with it.
Quality of the kit lens is definitívy an advantage of G85, you can do most of the work with it. For A6500 you also need to have a budget to get the lenses, since the better once are quite expensive.
Honestly I don't use any of the Auto Tracking Settings. Just the Manual Mode but Max Yuryev did a review with samples of the G85 Tracking and I have to say.... It sucks pretty bad!
Unfortunately, I dont have any Fujifilm camera, I was considering X-T2 but I chose A6500 over X-T2, mostly because it has stabilized sensor and and I can use Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 on it using the MC-11 adapter. Reviews are very positive and new Fuji cameras are definitely worth considering.
Great video. These two cameras are awesome and picking between the two is a hard decision. In your personal projects do you shoot with both of them? And is matching the colors in video possible?
Thanks, yes, I use both cameras on daily basis, depending on what I am shooting, matching color is pretty easy if you use standard picture style / picture profile OFF and it is also possible when using flat profiles in most situations.
g85 or a6500 for travel videos/vlogging?...if sony had articulating screen i think would be the better choice. g85 from vlog videos i have seen hunts for focus making it unpleasant. i want to buy g85 for the cheaper price and articulating screen and the ibis..but not sure if the focus is a real deal breaker. also it is now September 2018...both cameras are 2 years old, should i just wait and see what comes out in the next month? really need a camera by mid October. Upgrading from Rx100v.
Thank you, I appreciate your subscription, I have made a long term review of G85 where some these questions are answered bit.ly/1yearG85 as far as I know, there isn't anything in this price category scheduled for release, only high-end cameras.
Have you had any success in working with the A6500’s poor 1080p recording? The 4K is amazing but the 1080p looks pretty bad and the 120fps is extremely soft, is that a bit rate issue and is there some sort of work around for this?
The Hybrid Shooter I will definitely give it a shot, thanks. Was really worried that I’d have to switch to cameras after working with the 1080p and 120fps so hopefully a quick fix in post will do the trick!
I prefer using A6500 with adapted lenses, especially with Sigma MC-11 adapter and compatible lenses, because the functionality ich much better than with metabones, especially the AF, so I generally prefer A6500 to G85 with speedbooster.
@@TheHybridShooter well. i dont want to buy 2000-300$ set at first. I just want best solution (with lens) for 1000$ +-. For video production and good photo opportunities
Nice review. I've been reading reviews about these two cameras for weeks now. I think I'll be saving up for a bit longer to get the a6500, and sacrifice some usability for the image quality. What recommendations do you have for wide-angle lenses on the A6500?
First of all, thanks for sharing this awesome comparison! Can you please tell me, if it's possible to start as a wedding shooter using the G85 with 12-60mm lenses + 25mm 1.7?
G85 is good for weddings, but regarding the 12-60mm (if you mean the kit lens, not the Leica version) I don´t think that it is suitable for weddings, because focus ring travel is quite long, it can´t keep focus while zooming in and it is slow at the long end. Take a look at my review of that lens to see how it behaves. For weddings you will probably have to buy something like Panasonic 12-35mm F2.8. I haven´t tested the 25mm 1.7, so can´t give any advice on that one, maybe in future. Thanks for watching and commenting!
As good as the 12-60 is, you need at least a constant f2.8. The panasonic 12-35 would be compatible with dfd but the olympus 12-40 f2.8 is more enjoyable to use and better sharpness.
According to my assumptions of what are the requirements for good wedding camera, I would say that Sony A6500 is the best option right now, unless have really big budget. Especially if you rig it with external monitor, some battery solution like battery grip or plate for big Sony batteries and ability to use adapted lenses is also important.
Eduardo Teixeira I'm a wedding videographer. If you can use Canon 60D then G85 is far way more better. I use samyang cinelens but with canon gear ai dont use autofocus. it all depends on you. above else G85 is a go. I just got mine hope that helps
A6500 to expensive for me... Looking between the A6300 and G80. A6500 is equal to the A6300 but it doesnt have the in body stabilization. I like the 4k from the A6300 more because of the detail and I love the autofocus. However I am not sure if the A6300 would be suitable for vlog-type videos due to lack of proper stabilization? The G80 video quality is good, but not as crispy, stabilization is awesome, but the focus is not good. Which makes me wonder if when I am vlogging in will focus on me quickly enough? What would you recommend in my case?
Okay, Its so hard chosing but I am leaning to the A6300, I can always use stabilizers or so... Focus is more important in my case. Are there any other camera's under 1000USD I should take a look at that do 4k?
Does each camera sensor have an effect on the quality of the recorded video? as far as I know the canon M50 sensor is wider. or does G85 have other advantages?
Some reviews criticize Sony A6500 and Panasonic G85 Colours and skin tones. Would you agree that this is a problem and which of these two cameras has better SOOC Video + Image Colours and skin tones (for people that don´t or can´t spend time on post color grading and RAW) ? Thank you !
That actually depends a lot on the lens that you are using, some of the older APS-C lenses for Sony have strong green tint. I like G85 colors out of the camera a bit more.
Yes, that green tint in skin tones i mean, too. Do you have recommendations for lenses that produce better colors and skin tones ? Looking for these: - one zoom like the 18-105 or 18-135 - one or two primes like a 20/35/50mm 1.8
Hey man! Great video. I wanted to ask which mirrorless camera would you recommend for vlogging? (Singing videos for TH-cam + travel vlogs) Budget is a consideration. Beginner to enthusiast. *This Panasonic Lumix G85 , Panasonic Lumix GX800 *Sony Alpha series (a5100, a6000, a6300, a6500) *Fuji film X-T20 I'm looking for the best money for the buck. Thank you for your response.
Thank you, if you can make it work without front-facing screen I would recommend Sony A6500 or A6300. If you need the flip out screen, I would recommend the G85.
The Hybrid Shooter sadly, yes, I would need the front facing camera as it's a solo Vid. As mentioned, the cons on the G85 is the focus. If I travel using the camera (video capturing places, singing) will the G85 be able to be of use? What accessories or settings would need to be done to it? I'm seriously considering on purchasing this as I think it would be great as a first option vidéo camera before I save up for the high end ones.
@@TheHybridShooter I understand, but to make an equivalent comparison, you must make an effort since the image quality is also affected ... even if you are not comparing lenses ... and I think that if you used sigma with sony, you will know that the lenses are sony shit and the good ones are worth a kidney!
@Cristian Fuentes I compared what I had at the time, that is all that I can say about that... I will gladly take a look at you your "equivalent comparison" if you are willing to make an effort to do one.
@@TheHybridShooter It is not the point ... you are doing comparative work, as you think it is good ... I only tell you that it is not judgmental. You must know how to accept praises as reproaches, with nobility. nobody says that you do not have to follow, just make it better for the next time. and I know it's a big effort ... regards
I haven't had any problems with overheating at all, and I have even used it, when it was like 35° Celsius (95° Fahrenheit) outside. There is also special setting which will prevent the camera from shutting down, I talked about that in this video th-cam.com/video/PHkEQQtJxgQ/w-d-xo.html
I got the g85 because it was significantly cheaper and has a good enough lens for me included. I love the stabilization a lot and the picture is miles better than anything I had before. I just wish it had unlimited recording, gh5autofocus, a bigger sensor like Sony, a slow motion feature and something like a 10mm 1.7 stabilized lens.
Hi great video I have the G80 and love it. I am however thinking of upgrading my camera but have 2 choices firstly it to add the GH4 to my kit. The second option is to sell the G80 and put my funds together and get the GH5. I currently use the Fuji XT20 ( my stills camera) as my B camera but am thinking if i went for option 1 I would have 2 lumix camera for it I would br far easier to match footage. I am confused and would appreciate your view on my dilemma. Thanks JF
Personally I wouldn't buy GH4, if you want 2 lumix, another G80 would be better choice. Best choice would be to sell XT20 and get Panasonic G9, that way you would have two Lumix cameras including dedicated stills camera which still has most of GH5 futures and even some more.
You left out the fact that you can touch the screen of the G85 to focus. So you could have focused on the purple flower at 9:12 if you really wanted to.
Love your videos, packed full of knowledge. Just wanted to ask a question. Is the G80 ideal to shoot a £10,000 low budget feature with? Or do you really need the GH5 for it?
Thank you, honestly I have never shot anything with budget, but I suppose that it depends on the of the production, scenes, lighting, lenses used, if you intend to color grade and so on... G80 is capable of providing very nice video quality, but other requirements has to be met as well to get desired results. Thanks for watching!
The Hybrid Shooter thanks for getting back to me, really appreciate it. The idea was to get a G80 with all the bells & whistles, learn how to get the best results, and shoot a one location horror flick with the resources we have using friends & favors. No more than five actors. And if all goes well, maybe upgrade to the GH5 in a couple of years that everyone's raving about. The plan was to be a DIY Filmmaker, but obviously it's easier said than done. Your videos help a lot, wish me luck!
GH5 has some advanced futures like high bit rate 4K, 60p 4K all-intra, log profiles and so on, and you really need have use for those, otherwise you wouldn't benefit from having GH5 anyway. Also take a look at Sony A6500 and A6300.
The Hybrid Shooter Sony A6500 was another another one I came close to buying, the BMPCC looked fantastic too. I ended up buying the G80, your review of it was one of the reasons, Panasonic were offering £100 cash back so it only cost £650. With the 12-60 kit lens and so much more it was too good a deal to turn down. I wanted to be a filmmaker for a long time and finally with the technology becoming affordable, I can at least make a microbudget film hopefully and then just keep learning. The landscape has changed so much over the last decade. You can make something that looks good for not a lot of money. I also really enjoyed listening to you on the Cinechill podcast. Keep up the good work!
Wow and you're humble too....what a guy? lol. For most, including myself, I think the price is what is gonna be the deciding factor. A6500 is expensive and that's just the body, then you gotta buy lens for it that are also really pricey. The G85 is reasonable however I think good glass is also pricey for the G85 since you have to accommodate for the micro 4/3 sensor. I'm leaning towards the G85 cause I'm doing a podcast type channel mainly so there isn't much motion.
Yeah, I didn't talk about prices, because those vary, and I guess that people can decide which camera is worth the money on the base of what they see... you will definitely be fine with G85 for podcast type channel and kit lens that I reviews recently, will also do a good job, or something like 20mm f1.7 will also be great. Also take a look at A6300, those are pretty affordable right now and I also think that you can build usable lens collection for APS-C E mount with reasonable budget, I will make some video about that in future.
Nice review Hybrid Shooter! One thing that I would have digged deeper into is the price, not only of the body itself (as I write €700 Panasonic vs €1375 Sony) but lenses price too. Example in 35mm equiv: Leica 16-36 f2.8-4 (€1130) - Sony 18-36 f4 (€1750); or Olympus 24-80 f2.8 (€630) - Sony 24-105 f4 (€890); or Olympus 80-300 f2.8 (€1250 with teleconverter 1,4x) - Sony 105-300 f4 (€1380). Sony is always 1 stop behind. Same story if you look at kit/slower lenses. I think this is important.
Thank you, but if you want to compare lenses at 35mm eqv. you also need to multiply the aperture, not just for the depth of field, but for light gathering as well. Sony is actually not slower. I intentionally don't talk about prices, I prefer to show what are the cameras capable of and let viewers decide what is worth their money.
I knew about the depth of field factor, but was unaware of actual light coming through. Since manufacturers always specify focal length equiv. (I assume because of liabilities issues too) I think they should do it for aperture too. But never seen it on any lens description. Thank you and keep going like this.
I can't stand the user interface of the sony. There is something that doesn't make sense in it. I sold all my sony ff gear not that long ago and now use a gx85 and a g85 and I don't regret it. Went to try the a6500 and remembered the headaches I got from the a7. It"s from an amateur perspective but I really like using panasonic camera and really like their menu system and customization plus the lens selection is just amazing. Technically the sony sensor is better but in real life it doesn't mean anything.
User interface may be the weakest part of A6500, but I definitely don't consider it to be critically bad, after I set the FN buttons, function menu and custom modes, it works perfectly fine for me, definitely not as joyful to use as G85 but still OK. Regarding the sensor, I don't agree, it means a lot to me, especially in low light conditions, it is not just technically better, it is better in reality. Thanks for watching and sharing your experiences!
im sony user from last 8 years now using a6000 its my 3rd camera after a 77 going to shift on panasonic 🛑sony,s customer support is worst than ever also over price and parts not easily available
I like your comparison a lot I want to buy a camera .I think about sony a6500,lumix gx85,fujixt20 .Please help me to chose.I am not a professional just take for shoot in trip and parties and like these
The Hybrid Shooter I just need for photo my normal life .I saw sony a6500 with 16-50 lens and sony a6300 with 18-135 lens for same price Which one more profitable?
The review is nice, the problem that the two cameras aren't in the same price category. In price/worth ration the Panasonic is the clear winner. Plus if you add a speedbooster, the Pana beats the Sony...
This review is one year old, back then price was similar, G85 has gotten cheaper since than. I don't agree that the Panasonic is clear winner in price/performance ration, or that with it speedbooster it would beet sony, since the speedbooster introduces a lot of issues and makes the setup much more expensive.
I would recommend using Sony glass with camera's for best optics. Also one thing you don't hear is that there is apps you can download to camera as well for a better experience.
I don't agree. Sony lenses offer best functionality in terms of autofocus and other futures, but third party lenses and adapted lenses are optically superior and much cheaper, take a look at my Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 review for example. Of course, there are apps for both cameras, but it is not possible to cover everything in one video.
What you said would be the case if we are talking about old Tamron or Sigma lenses and some cheap Canon ones ... but the Sigma 18-35 is truely one of the sharpest lenses that you can get for crop-sensored cameras hands down - it is so good that it is better than most F1.8 primes (well, in this prize range).
Wow.. loved ur detailed comparison man.. definitely gonna subs.. btw i think it wont hurt if u show ur face a lil sir.. since every other camera reviewer out there.. almost eryone show their face.. just a suggestion.. overall solid review.. hope ur channel got huge sir..
Thanks, I appreciate your subscription, there are some pictures of my face in other videos :D but I on the other hand I think that some other camera reviewers show too much of their face, I basically want to share what it is like to own the camera as much as possible and I think that shots of the camera and samples are more relevant to that than my face. But there will be different videos with my face on this channel soon.
LOL, good point. I don't show my face, because mostly I am the one controlling the action camera. But my brother is my twin; if you see him, you see me. :-)
keep grinding man , your channel has very good contents which end up to more subs soon or later but keep it up 👏🏻 i know you know better but as an offer i think if you use some background musics on your with your voice overs or with video and photo samples,, your videos can be much more fun :) for me it's good right now but just saying for improvement of your channel:) good luck
Thank you, you are right, I will be making videos with a bit different style in the near future, where I will also be using music and another elements to make it informative and entertaining at the same time.
It seems that the G85 could be more cinematic than the A6500 if operated carefully but that the A6500 follows the automation trend and has a massive advantage when it comes to reliable modern-standard (fast) performance with less user input.
I find it interesting that you state that people would possibly prefer the G85 if they've only used a smart phone camera. That's pretty insulting, frankly. Did you want to clarify this statement? I've been doing digital photography for 13+ years and with cameras, not mobile phones. Heck, didn't have a camera that would take a decent photo or video until my iPhone 5, and that was in 2012. My background is primarily with Olympus and just jumped ship when I saw the price on the new Mark II. I loved using PEN series, but after three trade ups, I went back to a camera with better ergos and video capabilities. In short, I'm not a pro, but not a newb either, and I chose the Panasonic for its real value. Just need some better glass for it now. :-]
I have honestly no idea what could be insulting about that, just the opposite, G85 has great controls and touchscreen, so I think that people used to their smartphones would find it easier to operate than Sony or Canon for example.
Thanks for the response. I misinterpreted the comment, sorry. Because the way I "heard" the comment in this and your other review, it came across like "even a moron who can only do selfies could take a picture w/ the G85". That's also I asked you to clarify the comment, which you did completely. It was a good review, keep up the great work.
I think the person who is being insulting here is you, bosco. No, people are not morons because they take pictures on a smartphone - there is some terrific work on the flickrs for camera oriented phones. And, no, the point of owning a camera is not to show how clever you are because you navigate the menu system. The G85 is easy to use; that's a good thing. And I would expect the touchscreen quick menu system to be intuitive to someone used to shooting on a phone.
TheGreatAmphibian i think whats bosco mean is its insulting to the camera... people can perceived it that the image quality of the g85 just slightly better than smart phone.. thats why only a person that shoot with smart phone fell the appeal to upgrade to g85.. its just me trying to interpret bosco words.. mybe im wrong.. but for me personally ive owns d800.. d500.. d3400 and a g85.. im shooting bride and wedding.. dont know it can be called a pro job or not.. but if im travel by my own.. having vacation with my family.. i ditch my other cmera.. im always take my g85.. its my first choice.. loved it for personal use..
16-50 is ok for general use, but it can't utilize full potential of that sensor, I would choose Sony 50mm 1.8 OSS instead of Sigma 60mm because of image stabilization and better focusing.
From a cost perspective, yeah you're right. But as for the low light shot, a6500 is mind-blowingly better(G85 is not that far apart I know). So I think what I would do is to get the all-rounder G85 first (I do need that flip out screen), then later see if a6500 is really that necessary for my workflow.
I feel your selling the g85 far too short, I use the G7 and have taken done great shots with it , have even done some portraits with my lumix 42.5mm achieving decent background blur /bokeh , and printed to A3+ with the quality retained, and I feel the g85 would be much better again given it doesn't have the anti alias filter and body image stabalization .
Such a great comparison mate! Very very detailed, I don't know how you spoke so much in one video 😅 Keep it up! If you get a chance take a look at my content, i would appreciate any advice. Thank you!
Some review says G85 has unbeatable Full HD video quality, 1080P off G85 looks much sharper than a6500. Can you please do a comparison of FHD video between two cameras?
@@TheHybridShooter I need at least two cameras. and since I just got into this like a month ago~! I didn't want to go crazy. A month ago I had a budget of $1200 I found G85 for $450 with 12-60mm and a6400 $750 with the kit lens. the sony should b arrive tomorrow!
Wow, so much technical info in this one video, one has to pay attention listening to absorb all the info, maybe too much?. Good comparison even though I did not absorb all the info.
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The Hybrid Shooter thanks for your reply I never even thought of that option . Thank you for your advice it is appreciated. JF 😊
GH 85 lowligh camera or not
I was really divided between the Pana and Sony, the APS-C performance is juicy but all the downsides from the Sony ecosystem together with the higher price kills it for me. I went with Panasonic instead.
i will do the same
The Pannys are seriously the best. Sony has the better image, but held back by crap menus and horrible rolling shutter.
Fantastic comparison of two awesome cameras. I'd say the large price difference between the two cameras is something worth considering. Once Sony address their ergonomics and Panasonic their continuous af in video they'll be unstoppable.
Thanks, there indeed is significant price difference, but I guess that people can decide which camera is worth their money based on provided information. There is something to improve on both cameras, but I actually think that both are great as they are, although smaller annoyances of A6500 are easier to fix than AF on G85 (if I dont consider 7-14mm as a fix).
Thanks for watching and commenting!
>> Once Sony address their ergonomics
Sony also have to do something about their reputation for building cameras that break easily and then cheating the user on the warranty and refusing post-warranty repairs. When people spend thousands of dollars on a system they want the sort of relationship that Canon and Nikon have provided. Fuji have realised this, but none of the other wannabes seem to have done so - and Sony are by far the worst.
I looked at both of these and bought the g85. To me, the handling was important. Also, there are many software features in the G85 that I thought would be good. Finally, there was the price.
Nice review! I've been torn between the two for weeks now and still not sure which one to stay with. Thanks for shedding some light on the differences between the two cameras!
Thanks, I hope that it was helpful!
What did you end up going with?
So after these years, tell please, what have you chosen, and what experience you had?
G85 all the way, this is what I am getting for my weekly vlogging!!! Whoop whooop, excited!
Can you help me? I just purchased a Lumix G85 and the screen hinge cover on the bottom has a little bit of play in it. Is this normal?
at @2:14 you are clicking "disable video recording limit" on the A6500. How do you access this?
That is open memories tweak app, I talk about that in this video: th-cam.com/video/PHkEQQtJxgQ/w-d-xo.html
G85 now or wait for the successor?
I would say that G85 is good enough, successor will have some improvements of course, but G85 is a good package as it is, except for the autofocus, but I don't think that it will be significantly improved in the next generation.
The Hybrid Shooter I just broke my vlog 2 GF7 so I can't wait long anyway. I vlog with manual focus so the autofocus is not an issue for me. I just have to get used to the size and the screen being on the side
+Kaysha G85 is great vlogging camera, especially with 7-14mm F4 lens, even AF workes well with that lens.
G85>G95
Really great comparison ! Thanks so much. I should add that the price difference between G80/85 and A6500 is quite important ; something to bare in mind.
Thanks, I din't talk about price, because it varies and I wanted to let the people decide which camera is worth the price that is relevant to them on the base of what they see. I will be making more videos about this topic so I will also talk about that.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
The Hybrid Shooter yea right theres 500$ difference in price.. but panasonic doesnt have any camera in between that price range.. a6500 cost around 1300$ body only.. i mean after g80 panasonic straight up jump to gh5.. and gh5 completely owned a6500 in all category.. so if we wanna compare a6500 with a panasonic.. its would be g80..
GH5 definitely doesn't own A6500 in every category, A6500 si better stills camera, autofocus is miles ahead, it is smaller and lighter, A6500 has a lot of advantages over GH5, but GH5 doesn't compete with A6500 IMO, GH5 is intended for serious filmmakers, average TH-camr or hybrid shooter probably won't be able to utilize advanced futures of GH5.
The Hybrid Shooter yea sir.. my bad.. ure right.. if its taking still photos a6500 is still better.. at that price range panasonic should develop its apsc sensor and lens selection.. btw u should make a comparison between d500 and d750.. despite its flaws and age.. d750 still produce a good picture.. many still confused on deciding between the 2.. so i think its still relevant.. and ur comparison videos are so full of detail.. im curios on how u compare that 2..
I would love to do that, but unfortunately, I don't own either of those cameras, and at the moment I can only review gear that I own and use... hopefully sometime in the future.
Excellent comparison. I picked m43 because I had enough of hauling around a bag of APS-C lenses. The bigger sensor does produce better pictures, but in my photography, there wasn't a discernible difference. I picked the G85 because of the handling: it was an easy transition from a Nikon D7000 to a G85. As you noted in the review, it's super easy to do almost everything; there are a few features that are poorly explained in the manual - but for most of these, TH-cam and DPR forums filled in the blanks.
Thank you, I agree, better usability, is often more important than excess image quality.
7:59 is is still true even if you buy the firmware for cinelike D that IBIS cannot be used. I am looking to replace my gh3 with gx85 or g7 depending on the answer to this question.
IBIS - In body image stabilization is possible to use all the time. Only the Auto ISO can't be used with manual movie mode and manual exposure settings on G85.
okay your an expert, I have not spoken to an expert about this before but I have researched a lot. I'd like to Subscribe right now, :) I know the a6300 and sony E, and sigma 18-35 are amazing cameras and lenses for the price, I've used the a6300 with a Zeiss and love the small camera body, I like rangefinders better then slr,dslr body,. because I have a gh3 with a $10 adapter and a vintage 50mm fd Cannon. I am a manual focus no stabilization filmer at concerts and at music videos right now. But I want a cheap 4k v-log or cinelike d or V with IBIS and I eventually want to pair IBIS with lens ISO with Gimble IS. But I also want a street photography, vacation run and gun 4k video camera street portrait camera. I'm I aiming to low looking at the Gx85 and asking for all of this in one camera?
if I want all these things in one, is it possible in gx85 $399(body)? is it possible in g7$380(body)? a6300$750(body)?(ebayusedprices)
To keep the body similar to the A6300, with all these features does this gx85 still cut it? thinking of my love of low light concert video, and band portraits and low light portrait and street photography, is the gx85 body for $400, with a $500 Sigma 18-35 $199 Aputure DEC and $400 Ronin (used) all line up to compete at the pro image level?
watch this comparison between 00:38 - 1:57-3:15 to grasp that impression of wanting IBIS street video like adventures with cheep short lenses, Wanting to be able to use adapters, wanting cinema color and limited color grading and limited noise at night, like fun summer camp stuff, all on the GX85.
th-cam.com/video/BIIV71UicJA/w-d-xo.html,
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bring out the ronin and sigma and Aputure DEC all attached to a gx85 with a dummy battery. for higher level shoots.
My Friends and I made the sasquatch video last year on rented sonys they are all buying lumix GH5s, I dont have that kind of cash.
facebook.com/SasquatchMusicFestival/videos/10155565126108967/
I don't think that GX85 is suitable for your purposes, if you intend to use it on the gimbal, IBIS is not that important, A6300 will give you great picture profiles and low light you can get something like Sigma 16mm F1.4 and 30mm F1.4 for professional grade image quality and you only need something like Zhiyun Crane for it. Unfortunately it is not possible to have everything for that price.
85 or a6400? For still as well as motion?Does the reduced effective pixels in 85 free really that much mateer? (16mp)
Although the focusing inferiority of the G80 in video is seen at segment 8:46, how does the touch screen respond to refocusing? As a beginner who is looking at the price difference between the two cameras, I can live with the focusing issue as long as the touch screen can quickly refocus the view during recording video, by touching the subject that I need focusing on.
it works quite well, although the focusing using touchscreen is still slow and it hunts in more difficult situations.
Interesting. Thanks Hybrid.
+stan You're welcome!
I own the Panasonic G80/85 & you can touch the screen where you want to 'pull focus' in AF-S mode but it does hunt a little bit-it seems to find the focus point, go beyond then back which obviously looks a bit unprofessional. Better to use manual focus with focus peaking and get good at focus pulling yourself.
Thanks Steve. Having had my camera for a month, and a chance to experiment, I appreciate your point on manual focusing and using peaking to get a good focus. Also, when I am shooting landscape in low light and taking repeated shots in the distance, I tried auto focus hold/lock to keep focus locked on the distant scenery. I guess this is something we need to live with? LOL.
What is crop factor on G85 in 4k? Is still G80 cutting video files into small chunks or it was removed on the firmware update?
bro I'm looking for the best camera for photography, which is the best for me between lumix g85 or sony zve10
which camera would you recommend for a vlogger (so a lot of movement)? Right now I'm using the Lumix G7 but was looking to get something with stabilisation built in. The G80 looks good except for the not-so-great autofocus. Do you think it's worth losing the flip-out screen to get much better and faster autofocus with the a6500?
+22TV If you can get Panasonic 7-14 for G80, I reccomend G80, because almost everything is in focus with that lens anyway at wide angles. I think that it is the best combo for vlogging. I will make video about that soon. It should work quite well with G7 as well.
you're the man. Thanks!
Panasonic 7-14mm is $1500 hehe
They realy need to think through the 6500. So many No-Gos for that price
There definitely are some annoyances, but nothing that I would consider no-go.
The Hybrid Shooter an overheating camera at a important project is a no-go for me. If its fine for you to pay this amount if money for this then go for it. I stick to cameras which are cheaper and which i can count to.
+bombingforpeace I have never seen overheating indicator ob my A6500 and have used it in 35° Celsius / 110° F temperatures.
The Hybrid Shooter maybe he is referring to the a6300?
The Hybrid Shooter 35 C is 95 F lol
Please tell which camera shall i buy ,, from both of these i want to use camera for vlogging videos , interviews , shooting youtube shows and some time taking picture of products ,,
Depends on your preferences, it is explained in the video.
YASSSS thank you for making this video! I've been considering switching to a6500 from G85. I love so many things about the G85 but the video AF needs a lot of improvement.
You're welcome, actually since I figured out the settings, I didn't encounter that many situations where the focus failed, but it definitely needs some improvement.
The Hybrid Shooter That's a video idea right there explaining how you figured out the G80's settings. Subbed.
Thanks, I appreciate your subscription, I have already made a video about G80 video settings: th-cam.com/video/0NIQZyhgh4w/w-d-xo.html
The Hybrid Shooter Thanks!
Which camera did you keep or upgrade in the end i.e 2 yrs later
I don't own either of these anymore, but I am buying and selling cameras because this channel, so that is not very relevant.
I'm so torn between these two models. Which model is best advised for film making and shooting video at 4k? Anyone help or offer some advice. Appreciated!
On the G85, Can/is continuous autofocus be activated on the HDMI out without recording internally?
Yes, that is possible.
@@TheHybridShooter thanks for your quick response
I am shooting my kids vlog (2 to 8 years old) and also their daily activity. Which camera do you recommend, g85, gx85, lx100, gx9, em10 iii or eos m50?
Probably G85 / G80.
Another great video! Thanks. Which setup would you recommend for a beginner. Taking pictures of watches. Thinking about the Panasonic G80, the Canon M50 or the Panasonic gx9. Which lens is best for product photography? Macro lens?
Thank you, the GX9 with 12-60mm Lumix lens is very suitable for watch photography.
The Hybrid Shooter Thank you very much! You'd actually prefer the GX9 to the Canon EOS M50?
The Hybrid Shooter Very nice selection of watches you have there!
@daniels_watches on Instagram 😉
excuse me,I used my g85 AF-C to record video ,but the focus always repeat focus ,how to get better thank you!
after 3 years, what is the best lens fot g85? for portrait..
I never shoot portraits, so I don't know.
hey mate. I want to get one to take pictures and ideally video radio control models. What one would you say would be best? many thanks
I bought the G85 that came with 2 kit lenses. After watching this I see that the Sony produces better quality however because I'm a beginner, price range was definitely a deal breaker for me. Especially considering all the accessories that cane with it.
Quality of the kit lens is definitívy an advantage of G85, you can do most of the work with it. For A6500 you also need to have a budget to get the lenses, since the better once are quite expensive.
AVICIIZ Thanks!
How are you liking the g85? hows it do if you are to record a human, and then slightly move? does it track well?
Honestly I don't use any of the Auto Tracking Settings. Just the Manual Mode but Max Yuryev did a review with samples of the G85 Tracking and I have to say.... It sucks pretty bad!
Can you compare the Fuji X100F or XT-20, XT-2 ecosystem to these. Trying to decide.
Unfortunately, I dont have any Fujifilm camera, I was considering X-T2 but I chose A6500 over X-T2, mostly because it has stabilized sensor and and I can use Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 on it using the MC-11 adapter. Reviews are very positive and new Fuji cameras are definitely worth considering.
Great video. These two cameras are awesome and picking between the two is a hard decision. In your personal projects do you shoot with both of them? And is matching the colors in video possible?
Thanks, yes, I use both cameras on daily basis, depending on what I am shooting, matching color is pretty easy if you use standard picture style / picture profile OFF and it is also possible when using flat profiles in most situations.
g85 or a6500 for travel videos/vlogging?...if sony had articulating screen i think would be the better choice. g85 from vlog videos i have seen hunts for focus making it unpleasant. i want to buy g85 for the cheaper price and articulating screen and the ibis..but not sure if the focus is a real deal breaker. also it is now September 2018...both cameras are 2 years old, should i just wait and see what comes out in the next month? really need a camera by mid October. Upgrading from Rx100v.
also i subscribed great videos thanks.
Thank you, I appreciate your subscription, I have made a long term review of G85 where some these questions are answered bit.ly/1yearG85 as far as I know, there isn't anything in this price category scheduled for release, only high-end cameras.
Have you had any success in working with the A6500’s poor 1080p recording? The 4K is amazing but the 1080p looks pretty bad and the 120fps is extremely soft, is that a bit rate issue and is there some sort of work around for this?
Yes, I have, you just need to sharpen it in post. For example by +20 in Lumetri.
The Hybrid Shooter I will definitely give it a shot, thanks. Was really worried that I’d have to switch to cameras after working with the 1080p and 120fps so hopefully a quick fix in post will do the trick!
Given the cost difference between the G85 and the A6500, what do you think about comparing the A6500 against the G85 with a Metabones adapter?
I prefer using A6500 with adapted lenses, especially with Sigma MC-11 adapter and compatible lenses, because the functionality ich much better than with metabones, especially the AF, so I generally prefer A6500 to G85 with speedbooster.
I think that it would be a great video to compare the adapted A6500 against the Metabones G85/G5.
It certainly would, but I unfortunately don't have MetaBones speedbooster.
Is these stil best budget cams in 2020-2021?
Probably not.
@@TheHybridShooter and what would be better?
Depends on the budget.
@@TheHybridShooter well. i dont want to buy 2000-300$ set at first. I just want best solution (with lens) for 1000$ +-. For video production and good photo opportunities
Nice review. I've been reading reviews about these two cameras for weeks now. I think I'll be saving up for a bit longer to get the a6500, and sacrifice some usability for the image quality. What recommendations do you have for wide-angle lenses on the A6500?
Thanks, Samyang 12mm F2, Sgima 19mm F2.8 DN (there is a review on this channel) and sigma 30mm F1.4 are good wide angle lenses. Thanks for watching!
First of all, thanks for sharing this awesome comparison! Can you please tell me, if it's possible to start as a wedding shooter using the G85 with 12-60mm lenses + 25mm 1.7?
G85 is good for weddings, but regarding the 12-60mm (if you mean the kit lens, not the Leica version) I don´t think that it is suitable for weddings, because focus ring travel is quite long, it can´t keep focus while zooming in and it is slow at the long end. Take a look at my review of that lens to see how it behaves. For weddings you will probably have to buy something like Panasonic 12-35mm F2.8. I haven´t tested the 25mm 1.7, so can´t give any advice on that one, maybe in future.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
As good as the 12-60 is, you need at least a constant f2.8. The panasonic 12-35 would be compatible with dfd but the olympus 12-40 f2.8 is more enjoyable to use and better sharpness.
and what about a6500 for wedding filmmaking, do you think it is a reliable camera for it, or it's better to invest in something different ?
According to my assumptions of what are the requirements for good wedding camera, I would say that Sony A6500 is the best option right now, unless have really big budget. Especially if you rig it with external monitor, some battery solution like battery grip or plate for big Sony batteries and ability to use adapted lenses is also important.
Eduardo Teixeira I'm a wedding videographer. If you can use Canon 60D then G85 is far way more better. I use samyang cinelens but with canon gear ai dont use autofocus. it all depends on you. above else G85 is a go. I just got mine hope that helps
A6500 to expensive for me... Looking between the A6300 and G80. A6500 is equal to the A6300 but it doesnt have the in body stabilization.
I like the 4k from the A6300 more because of the detail and I love the autofocus. However I am not sure if the A6300 would be suitable for vlog-type videos due to lack of proper stabilization?
The G80 video quality is good, but not as crispy, stabilization is awesome, but the focus is not good. Which makes me wonder if when I am vlogging in will focus on me quickly enough?
What would you recommend in my case?
I can't really answer that, as your wrote, you will have to sacrifice stabilization of autofocus, so it depends on your preferences.
Okay, Its so hard chosing but I am leaning to the A6300, I can always use stabilizers or so... Focus is more important in my case.
Are there any other camera's under 1000USD I should take a look at that do 4k?
I don't know about other camera under 1000 USD that would meet your requirements.
Thanks bro. But problem is sony says a6500 have double shutter life +BIS HOW IS BUYING A6500 with third party lens .What do you think?
It is also good option.
Wich better Panasonic G85 or Canon M50 for video?
Panasonic G85
Does each camera sensor have an effect on the quality of the recorded video? as far as I know the canon M50 sensor is wider. or does G85 have other advantages?
@@muh.alfalaqfirdaus6923 Yes, but superior codecs on G85 make much bigger difference.
Some reviews criticize Sony A6500 and Panasonic G85 Colours and skin tones. Would you agree that this is a problem and which of these two cameras has better SOOC Video + Image Colours and skin tones (for people that don´t or can´t spend time on post color grading and RAW) ? Thank you !
That actually depends a lot on the lens that you are using, some of the older APS-C lenses for Sony have strong green tint. I like G85 colors out of the camera a bit more.
Yes, that green tint in skin tones i mean, too. Do you have recommendations for lenses that produce better colors and skin tones ?
Looking for these:
- one zoom like the 18-105 or 18-135
- one or two primes like a 20/35/50mm 1.8
Have you tried the sigma 18-35 on the g85?
No, I haven't.
Reallly really well made comparison! Thanks for help me choosing!
Thanks, I'm glad that it was helpful.
Hey man! Great video. I wanted to ask which mirrorless camera would you recommend for vlogging? (Singing videos for TH-cam + travel vlogs)
Budget is a consideration. Beginner to enthusiast.
*This Panasonic Lumix G85 , Panasonic Lumix GX800
*Sony Alpha series (a5100, a6000, a6300, a6500)
*Fuji film X-T20
I'm looking for the best money for the buck. Thank you for your response.
Thank you, if you can make it work without front-facing screen I would recommend Sony A6500 or A6300. If you need the flip out screen, I would recommend the G85.
The Hybrid Shooter sadly, yes, I would need the front facing camera as it's a solo Vid. As mentioned, the cons on the G85 is the focus. If I travel using the camera (video capturing places, singing) will the G85 be able to be of use? What accessories or settings would need to be done to it?
I'm seriously considering on purchasing this as I think it would be great as a first option vidéo camera before I save up for the high end ones.
I have made videos about all of that, take a look at my G85 playlist th-cam.com/play/PLXAOglgekGtuy20kB_u3Z0veDX-6J4wQW.html
you used a lens kit on the Panasonic ... why did not you put a 16 50 kit on the sony too?
It was not a balanced comparison.
Because I didn't have one when I was shooting this video and I wasn't comparing lenses.
@@TheHybridShooter I understand, but to make an equivalent comparison, you must make an effort since the image quality is also affected ... even if you are not comparing lenses ... and I think that if you used sigma with sony, you will know that the lenses are sony shit and the good ones are worth a kidney!
@Cristian Fuentes I compared what I had at the time, that is all that I can say about that... I will gladly take a look at you your "equivalent comparison" if you are willing to make an effort to do one.
@@TheHybridShooter It is not the point ... you are doing comparative work, as you think it is good ... I only tell you that it is not judgmental. You must know how to accept praises as reproaches, with nobility. nobody says that you do not have to follow, just make it better for the next time. and I know it's a big effort ... regards
How about sony a6500 overheating? is a real problem for professional use
I haven't had any problems with overheating at all, and I have even used it, when it was like 35° Celsius (95° Fahrenheit) outside. There is also special setting which will prevent the camera from shutting down, I talked about that in this video th-cam.com/video/PHkEQQtJxgQ/w-d-xo.html
I got the g85 because it was significantly cheaper and has a good enough lens for me included. I love the stabilization a lot and the picture is miles better than anything I had before. I just wish it had unlimited recording, gh5autofocus, a bigger sensor like Sony, a slow motion feature and something like a 10mm 1.7 stabilized lens.
Hi great video I have the G80 and love it. I am however thinking of upgrading my camera but have 2 choices firstly it to add the GH4 to my kit. The second option is to sell the G80 and put my funds together and get the GH5. I currently use the Fuji XT20 ( my stills camera) as my B camera but am thinking if i went for option 1 I would have 2 lumix camera for it I would br far easier to match footage. I am confused and would appreciate your view on my dilemma. Thanks JF
Personally I wouldn't buy GH4, if you want 2 lumix, another G80 would be better choice. Best choice would be to sell XT20 and get Panasonic G9, that way you would have two Lumix cameras including dedicated stills camera which still has most of GH5 futures and even some more.
You left out the fact that you can touch the screen of the G85 to focus. So you could have focused on the purple flower at 9:12 if you really wanted to.
That is kind of obvious, but the idea is that it should be able to do that by itself.
Love your videos, packed full of knowledge. Just wanted to ask a question. Is the G80 ideal to shoot a £10,000 low budget feature with? Or do you really need the GH5 for it?
Thank you, honestly I have never shot anything with budget, but I suppose that it depends on the of the production, scenes, lighting, lenses used, if you intend to color grade and so on... G80 is capable of providing very nice video quality, but other requirements has to be met as well to get desired results.
Thanks for watching!
The Hybrid Shooter thanks for getting back to me, really appreciate it. The idea was to get a G80 with all the bells & whistles, learn how to get the best results, and shoot a one location horror flick with the resources we have using friends & favors. No more than five actors. And if all goes well, maybe upgrade to the GH5 in a couple of years that everyone's raving about. The plan was to be a DIY Filmmaker, but obviously it's easier said than done. Your videos help a lot, wish me luck!
GH5 has some advanced futures like high bit rate 4K, 60p 4K all-intra, log profiles and so on, and you really need have use for those, otherwise you wouldn't benefit from having GH5 anyway. Also take a look at Sony A6500 and A6300.
The Hybrid Shooter Sony A6500 was another another one I came close to buying, the BMPCC looked fantastic too. I ended up buying the G80, your review of it was one of the reasons, Panasonic were offering £100 cash back so it only cost £650. With the 12-60 kit lens and so much more it was too good a deal to turn down. I wanted to be a filmmaker for a long time and finally with the technology becoming affordable, I can at least make a microbudget film hopefully and then just keep learning. The landscape has changed so much over the last decade. You can make something that looks good for not a lot of money. I also really enjoyed listening to you on the Cinechill podcast. Keep up the good work!
OMGG You're a legend for this!
Oh, thanks, I guess that there is a bit of work to be done before I become a real legend :D
Wow and you're humble too....what a guy? lol. For most, including myself, I think the price is what is gonna be the deciding factor. A6500 is expensive and that's just the body, then you gotta buy lens for it that are also really pricey. The G85 is reasonable however I think good glass is also pricey for the G85 since you have to accommodate for the micro 4/3 sensor. I'm leaning towards the G85 cause I'm doing a podcast type channel mainly so there isn't much motion.
Yeah, I didn't talk about prices, because those vary, and I guess that people can decide which camera is worth the money on the base of what they see... you will definitely be fine with G85 for podcast type channel and kit lens that I reviews recently, will also do a good job, or something like 20mm f1.7 will also be great. Also take a look at A6300, those are pretty affordable right now and I also think that you can build usable lens collection for APS-C E mount with reasonable budget, I will make some video about that in future.
Nice review Hybrid Shooter! One thing that I would have digged deeper into is the price, not only of the body itself (as I write €700 Panasonic vs €1375 Sony) but lenses price too. Example in 35mm equiv: Leica 16-36 f2.8-4 (€1130) - Sony 18-36 f4 (€1750); or Olympus 24-80 f2.8 (€630) - Sony 24-105 f4 (€890); or Olympus 80-300 f2.8 (€1250 with teleconverter 1,4x) - Sony 105-300 f4 (€1380). Sony is always 1 stop behind. Same story if you look at kit/slower lenses. I think this is important.
Thank you, but if you want to compare lenses at 35mm eqv. you also need to multiply the aperture, not just for the depth of field, but for light gathering as well. Sony is actually not slower. I intentionally don't talk about prices, I prefer to show what are the cameras capable of and let viewers decide what is worth their money.
I knew about the depth of field factor, but was unaware of actual light coming through. Since manufacturers always specify focal length equiv. (I assume because of liabilities issues too) I think they should do it for aperture too. But never seen it on any lens description. Thank you and keep going like this.
I can't stand the user interface of the sony. There is something that doesn't make sense in it. I sold all my sony ff gear not that long ago and now use a gx85 and a g85 and I don't regret it. Went to try the a6500 and remembered the headaches I got from the a7. It"s from an amateur perspective but I really like using panasonic camera and really like their menu system and customization plus the lens selection is just amazing. Technically the sony sensor is better but in real life it doesn't mean anything.
User interface may be the weakest part of A6500, but I definitely don't consider it to be critically bad, after I set the FN buttons, function menu and custom modes, it works perfectly fine for me, definitely not as joyful to use as G85 but still OK.
Regarding the sensor, I don't agree, it means a lot to me, especially in low light conditions, it is not just technically better, it is better in reality.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experiences!
This voice sounded so familiar, then at 7:14 I realized from the Seamaster and SKX that you also do the watch reviews! lol
🙂Yeah, that's me.
Your reviews are awesome.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Fantastic Review. I couldn't find a useful review of these cameras until I watched this vid. Thanks!
Thank you Luigi, I'm glad that it was useful.
im sony user
from last 8 years
now using a6000 its my 3rd camera after a 77
going to shift on panasonic
🛑sony,s customer support is worst than ever
also over price
and parts not easily available
love your omega watch! very clean
Thank you!
I like your comparison a lot I want to buy a camera .I think about sony a6500,lumix gx85,fujixt20 .Please help me to chose.I am not a professional just take for shoot in trip and parties and like these
That always depends on what you intend to use it for and what are your preferences.
The Hybrid Shooter I just need for photo my normal life .I saw sony a6500 with 16-50 lens and sony a6300 with 18-135 lens for same price Which one more profitable?
Probably Sony A6300 with 18-135, that is much better lens.
The review is nice, the problem that the two cameras aren't in the same price category. In price/worth ration the Panasonic is the clear winner. Plus if you add a speedbooster, the Pana beats the Sony...
This review is one year old, back then price was similar, G85 has gotten cheaper since than. I don't agree that the Panasonic is clear winner in price/performance ration, or that with it speedbooster it would beet sony, since the speedbooster introduces a lot of issues and makes the setup much more expensive.
The Hybrid Shooter after another year the price/worth ratio definitly makes the g80 better
I love your videos man 👍
Thank you!
What about the prices
Depends on specific market and the deal that you can get.
Very detailed and well thought out review! Thank you!
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
Where do you live, it’s looks amazing
Thank you, I live in Slovakia.
The colour science of the Panasonic swing it for me. Red is consistently displayed as orange. This is a dealbreaker for me.
were is battery life?
Not sure if I understand your question, but G85 battery life is much better, as I wrote in the video.
Sorry, my English is not good, еxcuse me for the stupid question
That's all right.
Got G85 today for 380 euros.
I would recommend using Sony glass with camera's for best optics. Also one thing you don't hear is that there is apps you can download to camera as well for a better experience.
I don't agree. Sony lenses offer best functionality in terms of autofocus and other futures, but third party lenses and adapted lenses are optically superior and much cheaper, take a look at my Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 review for example.
Of course, there are apps for both cameras, but it is not possible to cover everything in one video.
What you said would be the case if we are talking about old Tamron or Sigma lenses and some cheap Canon ones ... but the Sigma 18-35 is truely one of the sharpest lenses that you can get for crop-sensored cameras hands down - it is so good that it is better than most F1.8 primes (well, in this prize range).
Thanks for the comparison. I'm trying to buy a g85 now!
hey , the g81 have in lowlight to much Noisy image !
Слова непонятны не зная язык, вы-бы в описание свой вывод добавили, что-бы можно было перевести, но работа стаба очень наглядна. Спасибо за сравнение!
субтитры с авто переводом , тыкай настройки видео в ютубе
@@andrebrix8653 во как, не знал, пасиба ✌✌✌
Wow.. loved ur detailed comparison man.. definitely gonna subs.. btw i think it wont hurt if u show ur face a lil sir.. since every other camera reviewer out there.. almost eryone show their face.. just a suggestion.. overall solid review.. hope ur channel got huge sir..
Thanks, I appreciate your subscription, there are some pictures of my face in other videos :D but I on the other hand I think that some other camera reviewers show too much of their face, I basically want to share what it is like to own the camera as much as possible and I think that shots of the camera and samples are more relevant to that than my face. But there will be different videos with my face on this channel soon.
LOL, good point. I don't show my face, because mostly I am the one controlling the action camera. But my brother is my twin; if you see him, you see me. :-)
Great video, eventhough I would like to buy the a6300 this video was still helpful!
Thanks, I'm glad that it was helpful.
The best review I have seen and beautiful country
Thank you!
keep grinding man , your channel has very good contents which end up to more subs soon or later but keep it up 👏🏻 i know you know better but as an offer i think if you use some background musics on your with your voice overs or with video and photo samples,, your videos can be much more fun :) for me it's good right now but just saying for improvement of your channel:) good luck
Thank you, you are right, I will be making videos with a bit different style in the near future, where I will also be using music and another elements to make it informative and entertaining at the same time.
Saving up for one of these
It seems that the G85 could be more cinematic than the A6500 if operated carefully but that the A6500 follows the automation trend and has a massive advantage when it comes to reliable modern-standard (fast) performance with less user input.
No, there is not reason why camera with smaller sensor would be more "cinematic" than A6500. Both cameras work equally well with automatic settings.
@@TheHybridShooter A6500 4K focus is better?
@@mpireoutdoors5274 yes
@@TheHybridShooter ok cool thanks
how r u?
I'm very well, how are you?
great video .. ill buy g81 for sure .. ahaha because off the price and performance . thanks for sharing sir
Thank you and you're welcome, G81 won't disappoint.
I'm still struggling with this decision and thinking the lens investment is the biggest factor.
Yes, it is definitely a good idea to think about what lenses will you use and make the decision according to that.
Nice sir
Thank you!
Tolles Video 👍
Vielen Dank!
The Hybrid Shooter Prosim.
I like g85 with the caveat of bad autofocus, hopefully they fix that on the next iteration. Maybe I'm gonna pass on this one.
Great channel. I subeed :D I have Sony A77 mk2, SONY A6000 and Panasonic G7. Soon I will switch G7 to G80.
Thank you, I appreciate it! G80 is worthy upgrade over G7, but G7 is still capable camera as well.
I find it interesting that you state that people would possibly prefer the G85 if they've only used a smart phone camera. That's pretty insulting, frankly. Did you want to clarify this statement?
I've been doing digital photography for 13+ years and with cameras, not mobile phones. Heck, didn't have a camera that would take a decent photo or video until my iPhone 5, and that was in 2012. My background is primarily with Olympus and just jumped ship when I saw the price on the new Mark II. I loved using PEN series, but after three trade ups, I went back to a camera with better ergos and video capabilities. In short, I'm not a pro, but not a newb either, and I chose the Panasonic for its real value. Just need some better glass for it now. :-]
I have honestly no idea what could be insulting about that, just the opposite, G85 has great controls and touchscreen, so I think that people used to their smartphones would find it easier to operate than Sony or Canon for example.
Thanks for the response. I misinterpreted the comment, sorry. Because the way I "heard" the comment in this and your other review, it came across like "even a moron who can only do selfies could take a picture w/ the G85". That's also I asked you to clarify the comment, which you did completely. It was a good review, keep up the great work.
It's all right, I'm glad that it is clear now. Thanks, will try to keep it up.
I think the person who is being insulting here is you, bosco. No, people are not morons because they take pictures on a smartphone - there is some terrific work on the flickrs for camera oriented phones. And, no, the point of owning a camera is not to show how clever you are because you navigate the menu system. The G85 is easy to use; that's a good thing. And I would expect the touchscreen quick menu system to be intuitive to someone used to shooting on a phone.
TheGreatAmphibian i think whats bosco mean is its insulting to the camera... people can perceived it that the image quality of the g85 just slightly better than smart phone.. thats why only a person that shoot with smart phone fell the appeal to upgrade to g85.. its just me trying to interpret bosco words.. mybe im wrong.. but for me personally ive owns d800.. d500.. d3400 and a g85.. im shooting bride and wedding.. dont know it can be called a pro job or not.. but if im travel by my own.. having vacation with my family.. i ditch my other cmera.. im always take my g85.. its my first choice.. loved it for personal use..
Sony Engineers should be fired for not including a flip out screen and do a better job with heat management.. G85 is better for sure!
Enrique Ferreira Flip screen isnt such a big deal considering the size of the camera and it still having a view finder
Rafael for overall filmmaking; G85 is better for what you get for the low price.
awesome! was just wondering this
Thanks, I hope that it was helpful.
The Hybrid Shooter it definitely was!
thank you bro so useful
very nice and clear review
+au1947 Thanks!
G85 or a6300? Still 70/30 video
+muttyhc Probably A6300 if you can find suitable lenses.
The Hybrid Shooter 16-50 + sigma 60?
16-50 is ok for general use, but it can't utilize full potential of that sensor, I would choose Sony 50mm 1.8 OSS instead of Sigma 60mm because of image stabilization and better focusing.
The Hybrid Shooter thanks, so if it were a6300 and those lenses or g85 + 12-60/ 25 1.7??
Still depends on your preferences, if you shoot 70% stills I would probably take A6300 because of the sensor.
I think I will get both.
That is probably not a good idea.
From a cost perspective, yeah you're right. But as for the low light shot, a6500 is mind-blowingly better(G85 is not that far apart I know). So I think what I would do is to get the all-rounder G85 first (I do need that flip out screen), then later see if a6500 is really that necessary for my workflow.
Thanks for the video by the way. I really found it helpful. You earned a sub.
Or sell the G85 to get SONY A7III once I've got that budget.
Thank you, I appreciate your subscription, I will make a review of A7 III soon, if your budget allows it, is seems to be a no-brainier.
excellent job
+SupraDRFT Thanks!
I feel your selling the g85 far too short, I use the G7 and have taken done great shots with it , have even done some portraits with my lumix 42.5mm achieving decent background blur /bokeh , and printed to A3+ with the quality retained, and I feel the g85 would be much better again given it doesn't have the anti alias filter and body image stabalization .
I don't, I believe that I have mentioned all of the important advantages and disadvantages.
I much prefer the g85. I'm going to wait for the new Sony APS-C
Now sony come with a6400 :)
@@siboyyy1056 No ibis, still terrible handling
great video
+Mateusz Chromik Thanks!
Such a great comparison mate! Very very detailed, I don't know how you spoke so much in one video 😅 Keep it up! If you get a chance take a look at my content, i would appreciate any advice. Thank you!
Thank you, I'm glad that you found this video to be useful.
Some review says G85 has unbeatable Full HD video quality, 1080P off G85 looks much sharper than a6500. Can you please do a comparison of FHD video between two cameras?
I have already done that: th-cam.com/video/rAxG72QDveM/w-d-xo.html
👍Your channel deserve more subscribers
Thank you, hopefully the subscriber count will grow in the future.
G85 and A6400. get them both!!! thats what I did!
That is not a good idea at the moment. For that money, you can buy one camera that does everything better.
@@TheHybridShooter I need at least two cameras. and since I just got into this like a month ago~! I didn't want to go crazy. A month ago I had a budget of $1200 I found G85 for $450 with 12-60mm and a6400 $750 with the kit lens. the sony should b arrive tomorrow!
If you're serious about video quality. The a6500
Everything else the g85 wins
Wow, so much technical info in this one video, one has to pay attention listening to absorb all the info, maybe too much?. Good comparison even though I did not absorb all the info.
Well, I guess its still better to provide too much information rather than too little.