The Ultimate Camera Brand Shootout | Canon R5 vs Sony A7SIII vs Panasonic GH6 vs Blackmagic 6K Pro

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  • @TomorrowsFilmmakers
    @TomorrowsFilmmakers  2 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    Before you comment, check this out: ⬇
    1. The Sony A7SIII DOES have a touch screen. It was a simple scripting mistake that wasn't caught before posting. Still would keep the same rank though.
    2. The R5C was backordered, so we weren't able to get our hands on one for the comparison. We plan on using that for the next shootout.
    3. The Sony does have a native ISO of 12,800 and would blow the others out of the water, but we wanted to see how it compared on their level of 10,000 ISO. (It Still Won)
    4. The GH6 does have a "tripod mode" which does perform better when walking. But we just tested everything with their standard IBIS
    5. For all of you Nikon and Fuji fans, we have content coming out for those as well. So don't worry. :)

    • @michaels5166
      @michaels5166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      just make sure you test the non recalled Nikons..D850/Z9,etc..hehehe

    • @sardanapalos
      @sardanapalos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      why not use the S1h which is the same price as the Canon and Sony and is Full frame and Panasonics top notch mirrorless camera for video at the moment...doesnt make sense mate .... at all

    • @ferrygelluny9093
      @ferrygelluny9093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      why dont you choose S1H from lumix?

    • @ferrygelluny9093
      @ferrygelluny9093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@sardanapalos true

    • @VAPSBVI
      @VAPSBVI 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      00

  • @sprinklememang
    @sprinklememang 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    This was really just clickbait right? 30+ minutes wasted to pretty much plug their course? The testing seemed so out of whack that it had to be a piss take. Using different glass on each. Not knowing or using native ISO. Not understanding how properly set up autofocus or stabilization options to yield optimum results. Not understanding how rig the BM on a gimbal. Shooting in standard picture profiles to compare color science. On what planet does Sony or any other camera here have 15 stops of DR? And how was this verified? No understanding of crop factors? You "needed" 2 lenses for the GH6 to cover the focal range when the 1st lens clearly does just that? They even showed the equivalent focal range on the B&H screenshot contradicting was they were saying! Best self own was at 4:06 "If you buy one of these cameras and don't know how to use it, it's essentially worthless". Pretty much summed up the presenters abilities to properly test, compare, use and understand basic camera differences. If this was a joke, then haha. You got me.

    • @gabrielmachadobsb
      @gabrielmachadobsb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes!!!! At first I was thought the "using different lenses is better" was going to be worse, but this video just kept getting worse. It's probably the best showcase of the dunning-krueger effect on TH-cam. I was baffled by just how many mistakes there were. At the end I wouldn't watch their course even they were paying me instead of the other way around

  • @nickharris5231
    @nickharris5231 2 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    It just seems a little silly that you didn't choose one of the 3 different Panasonic full frame options. The a7s iii is the same price as a S1H. Would have been a more apt comparison.

    • @chevaughnbeckford8491
      @chevaughnbeckford8491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      This is the same thing I was thinking, comparing a Micro four-thirds sensor to full frames

    • @BKWill75
      @BKWill75 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agreed

    • @covialex741
      @covialex741 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right?

    • @HGQjazz
      @HGQjazz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      They knew what they were doing. S5 would've competed well against the others and at $1500, would've made the choice obvious.

    • @NealJohnson
      @NealJohnson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I was also here for the S1H comparison - the most underrated camera on the market!

  • @ElMundoDuro
    @ElMundoDuro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    The 12-35 mm lens for Micro Four Thirds is the exact replacement of a 24-70 lens on Full Frame. The 2X crop factor of MFT is easy to convert. Just divide or multiply by 2 to convert from full frame to MFT. 12mm on MFT = 24mm on Full Frame. 35 on MFT = 70 on Full Frame. This should not have been an issue, or even confusing to people that know and understand crop factor. To purchase a 35-100 for this comparison makes no sense. It is a full frame equivalent of 70-200mm. Come on guys....

    • @bogdanpopescu8406
      @bogdanpopescu8406 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, exact replacement for the focal lenghth and for luminosity (at f/2.8 both lenses), BUT the bokeh is not the same, because of the sensor.
      Don't expect have the same depth of field (the depth of field of Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8 is f/4 equivalent on full frame).

    • @ElMundoDuro
      @ElMundoDuro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bogdanpopescu8406 Correct the depth of field would be different on a lens designed for a smaller sensor despite the aperture values being the same. I think for the purposes of this video it would have been fine. In real life situations this also makes smaller sensors better for landscape photography allowing for more light and a wider aperture while getting more in focus.

  • @amadei2
    @amadei2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Should have added a Panasonic s5 or s1h, those are some of the most feature packed camera .

    • @chrisklugh
      @chrisklugh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Price wise, the S1H is too much for this comparison. This is comparing mid level cameras. The S5 probably would have been the better one to fit in there. Feature wise, it's about the same as the Sony and Cannon. But I think they went with the GH6 because of its dynamic range boost, and it has more features the all of them to make up for it. But do those features make up for it it? Depends on what you shot!

    • @amadei2
      @amadei2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@chrisklugh I mean the r5 is more expensive. The S1 is also great value with the last firmware.
      You need to work around the autofocus in video unfortunately

    • @chrisklugh
      @chrisklugh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@amadei2 Depending on how you shoot, that could mean everything and nothing. lol

    • @SmanEDITS
      @SmanEDITS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And SONY A1

    • @amadei2
      @amadei2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SmanEDITS sony a1 wouldn't even make sense, why not add a RED camera at that point.
      Where I live the A1 is double the a7s3

  • @funology_tamil
    @funology_tamil 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Guys you look,, out of space for 3 men 😂

  • @AdamSzarmack
    @AdamSzarmack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Give me Blackmagic over the rest all day long.

    • @Imskyhighy
      @Imskyhighy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      All it needs is auto focus.

    • @sitebstudios
      @sitebstudios ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Agreed. The fact that the camera is last just because it doesn’t have auto focus or IBIS is insane. Good luck on a real movie set. And you can absolutely use it for run and gun if you learn how to shoot properly.

    • @uptonfilms95
      @uptonfilms95 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sitebstudiosthe thing is everyone needs certain specs. If you are on movie sets then you’re right you should get the BM. But if you need some for run and gun no rig the other 3 are the better option. There is a rumor that BM is joint the L mount!! I hope the camera is a box camera or a GH6 style camera, big and beefy.

    • @Une_Baguette
      @Une_Baguette ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bmpcc is a cinema camera. Auto focus just doesn't do justice for filmmaking. That's why there's follow focus and focus puller

    • @Pixel_FX
      @Pixel_FX 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@sitebstudiosit has gyro stabilization. These guys missed it.

  • @charltonium4083
    @charltonium4083 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    When it comes to dynamic range, you should have also considered that the GH6 has the dynamic range booster function that can be turned on and off. Also, this is why you should have done an S-series camera instead, since they boast 14 stops instead of 13.

  • @RSill25
    @RSill25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Blackmagic recently activated their in camera gyro image stabilization on the 6K Pro thru a software update. You need Resolve 18 to use it and there is a slight crop factor but it works pretty well.

  • @saviwaves5337
    @saviwaves5337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I don't like Sony, but the A7SIII is probably the best all around camera,
    but for film making, it has to go to blackmagic
    for the beautiful footage you can get from it.

  • @estebanod
    @estebanod ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The 6k not having continous AF is an automatic disqualification
    19:50 "no shot looks bad" *shows an absolutely disgusting shot from the 6k*

  • @Adventures_with_nick
    @Adventures_with_nick 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In my opinion as an R5 shooter that has worked with A7Siii footage and needs to crank out content that requires color grading, nothing beats the color science performance and ease of color grading like the R5. Consequently this allows for a greater range of error to recover in post

  • @tubeman1983
    @tubeman1983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    No Nikon Z9???? It can't be because of its price since the Canon R5 costs 3900 USD. Could you do a wider camera comparison up to 6000 USD? Cheers

    • @logancartwright8280
      @logancartwright8280 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could of used the Z6 or Z7 as well. Good to see I’m not the only disappointed one

  • @Kreamcroque
    @Kreamcroque 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hmmm weird, I've seen other video's about the GH6 & Sony IS and everyone says the GH6 is way best. Also their footage looked way more stable during movements. Maybe you missed something?

    • @professionalpotato4764
      @professionalpotato4764 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They used the tripod mode and walked with it. I wonder why it is shakey lol. In Richard Wong's demo, the GH6 + dual IS is crazy smooth you could walk easily up to 35mm equivalent.

  • @zollotech
    @zollotech 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice to see another TH-cam channel in Charlotte. I recognize that nature preserve as I film there often. Great job

    • @kurtanhkhoito
      @kurtanhkhoito 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ^ This man is an apple celebrity and this comment got no likes 🤩 Cheers

  • @ekphotography
    @ekphotography 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rookie mistake not shooting the A7sIII in 12,800 ISO it is like butter! No other camera has that ability.

  • @top_tech.500k
    @top_tech.500k 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why Nikon cameras are not there??????

  • @Darrinwilliamsmedia
    @Darrinwilliamsmedia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Black Magic 6kpro actually works great on a Ronin S with a counter weight and added handles 💯🎥 add a tilta wireless focus and its a game changer.

    • @RoadtrippinwithTakacs
      @RoadtrippinwithTakacs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's strange they didn't do their research in this video. They could have even used a Glidecam for stabilization if they couldn't figure out the Ronin. 😀

  • @johnteki
    @johnteki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I would ask ONLY one question at the end... What camera did you use to record yourself and make this video?

    • @matthuffman178
      @matthuffman178 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha all of them!

    • @johnteki
      @johnteki 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthuffman178 I mean the main talk head video

    • @matthuffman178
      @matthuffman178 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnteki I believe it was the GH5S !

    • @dicekolev5360
      @dicekolev5360 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably a Nikon z6ii or z9, hehehehhe

  • @dmitry.sh.8946
    @dmitry.sh.8946 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    NIKON Z9 where???

  • @planetfun85
    @planetfun85 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ultimate ?? Where is the nikon z9 ?

  • @Soul_Visuals_Photography
    @Soul_Visuals_Photography ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bummer you didn’t get to test the R5 with the latest firmware. Overheating is gone in 4k.

  • @misterabroad123
    @misterabroad123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's the Ultimate Camera Clickbait shootout really

  • @BrennanMartin
    @BrennanMartin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I'm confused why if you got equivalent lenses with the gh6, you still decided to push in with all its shots? I mean... 12-35 panasonic is the same as 24-70 on full frame, so why were they cropped in? Made me scratch my head a little bit...

    • @lanceevans1689
      @lanceevans1689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You and I had the very same head scratching.

    • @sardanapalos
      @sardanapalos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      no one knows what they mean .... i m pretty sure if they watch it now they ll understand their mistake....

  • @Tmk969
    @Tmk969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why no Nikon?

  • @normannseils3936
    @normannseils3936 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You forgot to talk about Audio (or even talking about why you don’t talk about it). In my book that would be another win for the pocket 6K pro.

  • @hv8546
    @hv8546 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome content, I just wanted to point out that any shot of the girl looked GORGEOUS hahahaha

  • @ikonmediafilms
    @ikonmediafilms 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Most of your points are spot on but some aren't so solid... 15 Stops of Dynamic Range ain't exactly real Dynamic Range for sony... it's mostly software-driven... To take full advantage of the DR it would be best to use A software with a solid Color engine... definitely not Premiere. The way you spoke on Color Science and evaluated it... I'm not sure if that's a proper way to assess science.

    • @Angelo_Paduraru
      @Angelo_Paduraru 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sony 15 stops DR are only in paper. Sony lies allot. The a7siii dynamic range is the same as r5 and blackmagic.

  • @Visualsthatgohard
    @Visualsthatgohard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you guys so much for this open-minded review about all these bodies I was honestly saving for R5 being a beginner at night event Cinematographer and photographer. I knew about the issues like overheating but I was sold by that 8k thing and like Justice said ''if you shoot an entire 8k project this isn't the camera you would go for'' and that's absolutely right. Being most at work during night hours and under no light or less light environment, I think Sony won my heart, and thanks a lot to you guys TFM really helped me step up my game as a videographer and that's just based on the YT videos can't wait to afford the course and see how good ill become.

    • @fantasticorpentertainment8205
      @fantasticorpentertainment8205 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Get an R6 instead if you like canon - its better in low light and almost half the price with the same tech

  • @Wirsingfilms
    @Wirsingfilms ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes you can put the Blackmagic 6k Pro on a Gimbal...

  • @quickpickle
    @quickpickle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's crazy that Panasonic still hasn't sorted out their autofocus issue after all these years.

  • @limitless_habesha_tube
    @limitless_habesha_tube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THE BEST TUTORIAL CHANNEL EVER ❤❤

  • @rocklee619
    @rocklee619 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy cow, what an amazing review video. Well done guys!
    Personally I'm going with the GH6, just because of the color and video look... but the low light quality on Sony is UNTOUCHABLE lol ❤

  • @michaels5166
    @michaels5166 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok,so the Canon Easybake Oven is due to hardware and thermodynamics,not software.Heat is caused by the CPU ,circuit, DSP demands of the devices vs heat dissipation. Usually, you have heat sinks, fans, fuses,or some other active ways to keep the device cool to avoid damage. So you have 500 Cu ft of hot air inside a 350 Cu Ft space, for example, so either the device cools or shuts down.You have those physical limitations, so you're not going to change the dynamics of the space vs the hear with software. So you either get 3 bodies and shoot 20 minutes each, or you wait until the R5 cools, while your camera can do NOTHING. Besides, Sony is making cameras with no record limits and native to live streaming, with flip screens.

  • @CreationBound
    @CreationBound 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Great video. One of the best comparison videos I’ve seen. I started out with a GH3 as my first camera. Then a GH5. I purchased the GH6 the day it was released. So far I’m very happy with it. I’ve been tempted by the alleged advantages of a full frame camera but I didn’t want to change to Sony or cannon because I had already invested in micro 4/3 lenses. My GH6 and lenses are all updated and I’m getting pretty good results with the auto focus. There are so many tweaks to the auto focus on this camera I think you can get pretty good results if you experiment enough for what you plan to shoot. That being said I will admit that I have little to no experience using Sony or cannon cameras, so maybe I would be blown away using one I don’t know 🤷‍♂️. But so far I’m quite impressed with improvements to the GH6 auto focus, I’m very happy with the camera and looking forward to the future firmware updates that are being announced.

  • @yenk82
    @yenk82 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good video, really deep into details and really honest

  • @ThePodcastStudioMiltonKeynes
    @ThePodcastStudioMiltonKeynes ปีที่แล้ว

    Walmart “full time filmmakers” 😂 This video was shot exactly the same as theirs. Same course, same logo same price 😂😂

  • @CreamPIays
    @CreamPIays 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A tommorow filmmaker ad popped up while i was watching this

  • @AndrewLanich
    @AndrewLanich 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I follow several prominent channels that film weddings, real estate, etc on the BMPCC 6k Pro mounted on a medium size gimbal with excellent results. Overall a good presentation and review, but deff spend more time with a camera before judging it! Good work guys, keep it up

    • @ElMundoDuro
      @ElMundoDuro 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was baffling when it didn't fit on 1 specific gimbal for them to suggest it is incompatible with gimbals in general.

  • @RM-ud2cm
    @RM-ud2cm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    for statistical consistency. when there is tie for first place, the remaining two should be assigned third and fourth place. not second and third place.

  • @superzero4250
    @superzero4250 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    (29:53) Totally agree, which is why IMHO from the selection of cameras in this video, the Blackmagic 6K Pro or the Lumix GH6 or even the GH5II would my tools of choice based on their video feature sets for filmmaking. As a hybrid camera in the sense of run and gun or event filming, the GH6/GH5II have served my situation amazingly well.
    (26:11) Stabilization: This was completely out of left field from personal experience. But then too, that is from the GH5II, and though I have a set of cinema glass like Zeiss CP.2’s, third party glass such as Sigma Contemporary, and Voigtlander Noktons, the main native glass we use are M.Zuiko Pro’s. Recently acquired the set of Leica 1.7 zooms, and so far have never experienced anything close to what is being conveyed in this video…
    Also: wanted to mention a bit about the low light test. The majority of people on TH-cam tend to get this wrong. When compared to full fame, a crop factor needs to be considered appropriately. If you have an 26,600 ISO set on a FF, the sensor size is four times larger essentially letting four time more light on the sensor. Which means on the µ4/3 sensor the equivalent would be ISO 6400, relative to the f-stop which is basically the only metric that would be consistent…
    Lets be honest regardless of camera, who really films above 6400 realistically ever…

    • @ElMundoDuro
      @ElMundoDuro 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The surface area of a full frame camera sensor is 4 times larger, but the amount of light focused on and MFT sensor is not greater unless you are using a speed booster with a full frame lens. A full frame 24mm 2.8 and a MFT 12mm 2.8 with the same lens coatings, etc will give you the same amount of light on their respective sensors. Throw a .71x speed booster on the same full frame 2.8 lens, and then the aperture changes to 2 and you end up with more light. The ratings of the lens are based on the surface area it was designed to project onto. This is why MFT lenses can achieve the same results in a smaller package.

    • @superzero4250
      @superzero4250 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ElMundoDuro I agree with almost everything you said. However, an ISO of 6400 on a FF sensor is not the same on a 4/3, its equivalent is 1600. It’s basic math. ISO 6400 is spread out over the entire sensor. µ4/3 is a fourth of that size sensor, therefore one fourth is 1600 ISO. The only thing that is not cropped is the f-stop, unless you factor in bokeh, which is not even something that has ever been quantifiably measured, it is subjective… So when people say a µ4/3 f-stop of 1.2 is 2.4 in FF they are referring to the perception of Bokeh, not the actual light coming through the lens… The reason a speedbooster works on µ4/3 is because the FF lens is in fact larger, hence 24mm not 12mm, using your example.
      That is why a Lumix G 12-35/2.8 lens is significantly smaller than an EF mount 24-70mm/2.8 L. That same 24-70mm/2.8 with an adapter (not focal reduced) on µ4/3 would be 48-140mm/2.8. Everything is relative…
      It’s simple really, if you have a FF camera and a µ4/3, snap pictures side by side. 24-70mm/2.8 and a 12-35/2.8. Snap pictures both at 800 ISO, then snap both at 200 ISO and compare. What you will find is the the FF snapped @ 800 looks the same as the µ4/3 @ 200. If you were to snap the FF @3200, it would look like the µ4/3 @ 800. Pixel peep to your hearts content, then lets discuss…

  • @jdgaf2110
    @jdgaf2110 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, would have loved to see the Z9

  • @julianab.andrade357
    @julianab.andrade357 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is incredible! You guys put so much effort into making this video! This content is so helpful! Thank you so much! Bless your heart for leaving the deleted parts at the end 😂😂 ❤❤

  • @123456789shaikh
    @123456789shaikh ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome comparison

  • @ora_et_labora1095
    @ora_et_labora1095 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s crazy how the GH6 is featured in this comparison when it’s so much cheaper. All those possibilities for several hundreds of dollars less. Amazing camera.

  • @RobertsIslandLivingAdventures
    @RobertsIslandLivingAdventures 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The A7siii has gyro stabilization. We can process through a Sony program and get silky smooth. That’s what I use.

  • @danukool
    @danukool 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    where the gear for the course when will you ship to me
    ?

  • @nvstudiofilms
    @nvstudiofilms 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did they talk about the cinema 6k main seller point?

  • @AlpsLifee
    @AlpsLifee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    ive used the bmpcc6k pro with the ronin rs2, it definitely does fit, kinda wished you included fuji in here, its got a superb image.

  • @lydie.manzano
    @lydie.manzano ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi ! thanks for this video. there are English subtitles in your online course please ?

  • @africanhistory
    @africanhistory 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What I don't get is how come you guys didn't color grade your own video to get rid of the excessive magenta?

  • @MaksGarmata
    @MaksGarmata ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok, just one question
    Was it Parker, or your channel first, who first started to nod like that? :)

  • @digwillhachi
    @digwillhachi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    All great cameras. I have an S3 but also have a Sigma FP which shoots cDNG RAW. That camera is a beast and people forget about it. Also cheaper than all these cameras.

  • @christiansoto9442
    @christiansoto9442 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would like to see more of footage from the cameras

  • @silverfoxproductions6923
    @silverfoxproductions6923 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff guys!

  • @saintnickw
    @saintnickw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey! Saw you mentioned the R5C in the comments, also what about the Canon C70! Beginner here so not sure if that fits into the same category as these, definitely would love to see a shootout with it! Loved the vid!

  • @SRG-Learn-Filmmaking
    @SRG-Learn-Filmmaking 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I "hate" the flat look most videos are released this days. I use a chrome extension for youtube to let me apply brightness, contrast, saturation... and always I have to apply it with filmmaking channels. I get it, log it's awesome, but I dislike that today "quality" means "flat".
    It's like loudness war in the music of the 90's and if we have learned something about that, is please eq your videos color..

  • @castielvargastv7931
    @castielvargastv7931 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Funny thing is that the canon has the worst colors of them all. Where are the famous canon colors?

  • @Kombi-1
    @Kombi-1 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm really unsure why, but looking at 2:26, the panasonic somehow makes the face look really flat . While the blackmagic, for example, looks 3 dimensional

  • @RRProducoesPT
    @RRProducoesPT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Blackmagic Menu will always win when you get a screen that big... With a sony screen you wouldn't be able to click on the items.

  • @luisneumannp2748
    @luisneumannp2748 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why did you not use a Panasonic S1/S1h ? Would have been closer to the other cameras than a m4/3

  • @cristianbalate
    @cristianbalate 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work guys, thanks!

  • @YesRelax
    @YesRelax ปีที่แล้ว

    If I wanted to shoot interview and maybe short film..?

  • @shadyninja1
    @shadyninja1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does your online course include training on davinci resolve

  • @TacticalCactusMedia
    @TacticalCactusMedia 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video thanks as always for the info. FYI you can put the BMPCC6K on a Ronin by using a riser plate, which lifts and offsets the camera just enough to clear the side axis.

  • @TheFilmmakersWorkshop
    @TheFilmmakersWorkshop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a screwy line up. A cinema camera simply doesn’t belong in it, the BM 6K Pro is not fit for purpose as a run and gun camera.
    Also, the GH6 is very capable, but simply not in the same league as it’s FF S1H which probably should have been in here.
    Respect for what you are trying to do here, but I think what you’ve ended up with spreads misinformation, which is a shame as you guys clearly are passionate filmmakers and gone to some effort to make this.

  • @hellotoddsky
    @hellotoddsky 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Comparing 1 cinema camera to 3 hybrid cameras is a ridiculous idea to begin with. I'm a long-time Lumix user but the Blackmagic blows all these out of the water. If you stick to youtube content - sure, the other 3 are better. But if you call yourself a filmmaker and not a content producer then you shouldn't even look at anything but cinema cameras. And no, cameras with AF and IBIS (ie. FX30) are not true cinema cameras.

  • @lanceevans1689
    @lanceevans1689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No comparison is perfect. But this one was quite good and very helpful. Thank you! Just a couple of points. The Lumix certainly has more lens challenges than the others. But as others have said, you should have texted with their 12-35. With a native lens auto focus is actually fairly good. Not as run and gun as Canon/Sony, but very functional. Of course the problem with native LUMIX lenses is that it uses the shitty focus by wire, and they’re not really designed for cinema use. The other issue is that speed boosters are just part of the deal, so not including them for micro 4/3 camera is putting it at a significant disadvantage. And with the addition of adapters and boosters, micro 4/3 system offers perhaps the most expansive range of lenses, including vintage. And let’s not forget that extra stop of light we get from boosters, which also will make a significant difference to functional ISO and film grain.

  • @woodlandsofcanada
    @woodlandsofcanada 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    #1 - Panasonic
    #2 - Canon
    #3 - Nikon
    #4 - Blackmagic
    #5 - Sony

  • @tunnellightstudios5183
    @tunnellightstudios5183 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The one thing about ‘colour science’ is that overall someone who is a phenomenal colour grader could make any of these cameras look like something shot on an Arri Alexa. One of the other things you should have added in this shoot out is sensor size. To me any full frame wins in that category. Great shoot out though. These days cameras are so close you’d be a winner with any of them.

    • @BrennanMartin
      @BrennanMartin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They should have looked at the quality of footage in high frame rates. The full frame cameras are terrible in that regard, because they have to line skip, while for instance the gh6's sensor has native 120fps, so it's 4k 120, is as sharp as its regular 4k mode. The r5, and a7siii look like mud. That said, I don't use high frame rates that much.

    • @tunnellightstudios5183
      @tunnellightstudios5183 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BrennanMartin I just find a micro 4/3rds sensor is not Practical. What’s the crop factor on one of those? You use a 50mm lens and it ends up being 100mm?
      I love using vintage lenses like the Helios 44-2. So a GH6 just wouldn’t work for me.

  • @diceflawless9115
    @diceflawless9115 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait did yall just say the GH6 has the worst IBIS??? There's just no way

  • @acmdv
    @acmdv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yet another video that ignores Fujifilm...

    • @BuhdFrankDaTank93
      @BuhdFrankDaTank93 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fuji should appeal to most starting filmmakers due to its value , you'd think they would add it when they are trying to teach beginning filmmakers 🤔

    • @matthuffman178
      @matthuffman178 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha! My friend loves his Fuji. Maybe we’ll take a look at some 🧐

  • @chrisccain
    @chrisccain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    I think it’s worth mentioning that the BMPCC Pro comes with Davinci Resolve software. Which is crazy. And it has the best denoiser on the market. This is a proper cinema camera that is used on Film sets across the world. When you start shooting with a real cinema camera vs a hybrid you can’t go back. You get used to having everything for video right on the camera vs having to map the buttons for film.

    • @robrever
      @robrever ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you find a gimbal that you can use with it?

    • @TacticalCactusMedia
      @TacticalCactusMedia ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@robreveryou can use any Ronin capable of carrying the weight, you just need a riser plate

    • @NBP_Photos
      @NBP_Photos ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Works with Zhiyun Crane 3s and Ronin RS3's. Don't Know why they didn't add that information afterwards in the bio. Seems misleading for those that are interested in getting into the Blackmagic ecosystem. As @chrisccain noted, each camera also comes with the full Davinci Resolve software free which is an amazing editing software with extremely powerful features.

    • @mythic_media
      @mythic_media ปีที่แล้ว

      BM6KP is by all means a stellar cinema camera for anything film. and a buddy of mine uses it with the riser plate and raveneye on the rs2 no problem. But, nothing beats the Sony as a workhorse in the videography realm. the capability to shoot a whole event, wedding, or anything really with the a7siii on gimbal and have sharp autofocus is like a comfortable armchair compared to lugging around one’s beloved cinema camera in that situation. mainly because of the weight, and the need for some type of follow focus. but when you go outside on a sunny day those internal ND’s are certainly nice.

  • @OliverCao
    @OliverCao 2 ปีที่แล้ว +388

    For the Sony a7siii low light test, you should've set it to the 12,800 iso which is its second native ISO. It would've cleaned up the noise

    • @men770d
      @men770d 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Plus probably should test the fx3 over the 7sIII

    • @sstteevveenn77
      @sstteevveenn77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@men770d The fx3 and the a7s3 have the same exact sensor. There is actually no difference at all in image quality between the two. Anything regarding lowlight capabilities with the s3 applies to the fx3 as well. The only difference is the the exterior and the different features each have.

    • @robertconrad6802
      @robertconrad6802 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      omg that drove me nuts! like how do you test that at 1/3 stop away from the 2nd native iso? and they seem like smart guys that know it too. weird.

    • @men770d
      @men770d 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sstteevveenn77 i know.
      But they test the grip of all cameras. If it was the fx3, he would win this category too.

    • @RhettThompsonFilm
      @RhettThompsonFilm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I love how people complain about the GH6 at 2000 but the a7iii is only decent at 12800

  • @random_dev
    @random_dev 2 ปีที่แล้ว +268

    Wow, I’m disappointed by the number of mistakes.
    The A7S III does have a touchscreen….
    Using ISO 10000 is a non sense when you have a dual iso triggering at 12800 in SLog 3.
    Stabilization mode on GH6 was not the right setup. I did watch soles footage with or without and that’s far stable than A7S III.
    Also talking about the R5 overheating issue without have a word for the R5C…is kind a strange.
    But good video anyway 👍

    • @Aviciiz
      @Aviciiz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Testing color science in the standard picture profiles instead of log...

    • @WiFuzzy
      @WiFuzzy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Thankyou. The R5C was the elephant in the room...lol.

    • @michaels5166
      @michaels5166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Aviciiz if you do post and grading you need to check both..

    • @jflores9891
      @jflores9891 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol touch screen

    • @kifley19
      @kifley19 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The dual iso at 12800 looks mushy. Sony is doing too much noise reduction.

  • @michaszymanski7921
    @michaszymanski7921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    The highest level of gh6 stabilisation is the "tripod mode" - it is deticated not to record movement - that's why your results were disappointing. Try the one stop lower mode and it will beat it's opponent's

    • @247.mp4
      @247.mp4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I was wondering on the end chart how it was possible for any camera to beat the GH6 stabilization.

    • @debarghyasenguptaphotoandfilms
      @debarghyasenguptaphotoandfilms 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Panasonic provides one of the best Ibis.
      You are correct that tripod mode is to take static handheld shot not moving

    • @wingitreview
      @wingitreview 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      For real bro piss me off 😂

    • @isidroundercover
      @isidroundercover 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      They're very Amateur to be honest should have done a little bit more research on each camera to get a real comparison

    • @kadeemcvisions
      @kadeemcvisions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      i said the same thing to myself. like how they really low-balled panasonic like that. ok..we get it...sony and canon..wooohoo. meat riders for those two brands but costs so much money and they use prime lenses!!!..expensive i love Panasonic. so wht if it isnt full frame..still gets the whole job done!!

  • @peternavanac9310
    @peternavanac9310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Typical FF fanboy rubbish. The Panasonic10-25/20-50 is far superior to the 12-35 lens and is cheaper than the FF equivalents. They went with the much cheaper 12-35, which immediately skewed the results. None of the camera's have oversampled 10 bit above 60p except the GH6. The GH6 does not overheat. The GH6 also shoot a superbly executed 5.7k prores HQ, which neither the Canon or Sony does. The scopes, timecode capabilities and mature feature set far outstrip all the camera's except the BM. The video quality of the GH6 is stunning. If your shooting serious video and are grading in Davinci...this is important. Won't be coming back to this channel.

    • @donnik7064
      @donnik7064 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Totally agree! I am a wedding filmmaker and used the a7siii last year. Now I gave gh6 a Chance and was absolutely stunned! The Image quality, the Color science the usability. I mean, that's what I really call a Video Camera.
      I Just wait for the Firmware Update to be able to directly save prores on SSD.

  • @bobcrusader
    @bobcrusader 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    $50 worth of Smallrig parts and you can get the BMPCC 6K Pro to ride on an Ronin S or RS2. Probably would have been worth mentioning that the BMPCC 6K Pro comes with Resolve, which has great stabilization and noise reduction capabilities. With all the other brands, you'd have to buy editing software...

    • @Belamarimages
      @Belamarimages 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly! 👍🏻 I have it on RS2 and it works perfectly!

    • @AlpsLifee
      @AlpsLifee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Belamarimages yeah I used it on a shoot recently and it was fine on the rs2

    • @KeedonMD
      @KeedonMD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Doesn’t even cost 50 dollars. A 200g counterweight will suffice. It even works with RSC2 ! And yea, BMPCC paired with Da Vinci is the bomb for colour grading: DaVinci Wide Gamut already beats Adobe hands down.

    • @Darrinwilliamsmedia
      @Darrinwilliamsmedia 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, love it on the Ronin S with counter weight and added handles plus the tilta wireless focus system.

    • @Thedudemannn
      @Thedudemannn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Darrinwilliamsmedia What counterweight do you use for the BMPCC 6k? I'm thinking of getting one. I like the image better but i'm not sure how it would match up with my canon mk3 as a 'B' cam...

  • @waynelast1685
    @waynelast1685 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    For me , a huge factor is built-in ND filters. Nothing is more annoying than having to swap or add filters in the middle of a wedding or live shoot. Also, the BM camera is big so it does not overheat. That's why I like Blackmagic sometimes.

  • @castielvargastv7931
    @castielvargastv7931 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Lol complaining about the mft crop is dumb. Just buy the right lense! You cant expect to be everything the same as full frame, its a different system. Full frame is not the be all end all. For apsc or mft users the numbers of dull frame lenses is confusing.

    • @yiyun911
      @yiyun911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yes it is very very dumb , i keep laughing while watching .
      when thay say they're going 12-35 F2.8 , im like 'OKAY!'
      but next thay said '' and another 35-100 '' i was like "?????????" dumb dumb dumb

    • @BASKETBALL_UNI
      @BASKETBALL_UNI ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Repent and receive life from Christ and be saved in Jesus mighty name amen.

    • @michaelsantangelo2936
      @michaelsantangelo2936 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea what’s up with the image comparison? Didn’t you get a Lens that would have an equal focal length with the other cameras……?

  • @alvincamera
    @alvincamera 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Just asking in IBIS are you turn on all of the ibis in GH6? it will only work if you want to have tripod like shoot(not moving like talking head), for moving subject you only need turn on ibis and e stabilization,because if you turn on all of them it will look weird for moving shot

  • @megvlogfilms
    @megvlogfilms 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I personally use GH6 and changed from Sony. I feel very comfortable about usability of GH6 and nothing change from Sony. And it has really detailed functions so I could customize all as i want to. As mentioned “easy to use” I know it might be big change from previous version but I think GH6 is worth to have it and great camera. Anyway I enjoyed to watch your reviews🙂

    • @mitchhifi9192
      @mitchhifi9192 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I use Gh6 and black magic 4K, very complimentary cameras for aby filming situation.

    • @BrellTebelin
      @BrellTebelin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i am planning to buy a panasonic lumix model,, but im confused.. which one is better when it comes to lowlight video and battery life...the gh5 or gh6.. hope u notice my comment thanks..

    • @BrellTebelin
      @BrellTebelin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mitchhifi9192 which is better?

    • @mitchhifi9192
      @mitchhifi9192 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BrellTebelin I prefer the GH6 over the bm4k better quality shooting

    • @lizlana4200
      @lizlana4200 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BrellTebelinGH6 as it gives ibis, internal raw pro res hq and looks just as cinematic as the bmpcc4k but with slightly more computational render. Not a big deal as it yields for more variants. Higher dr than gh5, cleaner. You need a vintage or cinema lens for it otherwise it won’t work on this camera for that cinema look that makes it obvious. No modern or native lenses is the best way to go if that makes sense. Lowlight is good on both but won’t beat the gh5s by a slight margin. Go for the GH6 👌

  • @mattthedirector4670
    @mattthedirector4670 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Black magic is not in the same league as the dslr cameras.
    TH-camrs that try to sensationalize specs try to compare apples to oranges but the bmpcc shits on everything for the price.

    • @normannseils3936
      @normannseils3936 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes the image and the ease of recoding raw in the camera is outstanding.
      And they didn’t mention the audio at all which is ODD for a video comparison. Having 2 XLR and a normal small Mikrofon input is so good for shooting Interview situations. Even the internal mic from the pocket is quite nice (In comparison).
      Another point they didn’t cover was video output. In don’t know about the other 3 but not having 4k video-out on the pocket is a small issue for me personally since I’m working with virtual production recently. I would love a 4Kvideo out for live compositing.

  • @TITAOSTEIN
    @TITAOSTEIN 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Stabilisation for Sony?? You need to learn how to use the GH6 first…

  • @NBP_Photos
    @NBP_Photos ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The Blackmagic 6K Pro does fit on gimbals and also has a dual native iso at 400 and 3200 which should be mentioned that produces great footage with very minimal grain and high dynamic range. Also, the 6K pro is a cinema grade camera. That is the reason why ibis and continuous autofocus are not present. It is meant to be used with a follow focus system like the tilta nucleus nano and m system.

  • @RICH_Photography
    @RICH_Photography 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I appreciate the effort in the video but your GH6 stabilisation test wasnt correct.
    The GH5 would walk over the R5 and Sony and the GH6 is far superior. Using the 12-35 lens that GH6 would glide like it's on a gimbal.

  • @PhilHover
    @PhilHover 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sorry, this is a terrible comparison. Please stop spreading misinformation for clickbait. Stick to comparing 2 cameras you know, Canon & Sony. You clearly don't know how to use the BMD & Lumix. Mismatch in price, features, lenses, etc. Where is the Panasonic Lumix S5? or S1H? Why did you use a 12-35 when the 10-25 1.7 is available for less then the 24-70 FF options? Why not use the Sigma 18-35 for the BMD? You should have used primes instead of zooms to better match framing. Also, why didn't you shoot the same subject with all 4 in a similar frame? How about lighting? Nothing seems to match. In your price comparison, how about Lens + camera? Where is the Canon R5c?

  • @AdamCherrington2012
    @AdamCherrington2012 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Being M4/3 is not an issue with Panasonic, and you will not beat the amazing quality of the 25mm 1.7F prime lens I'm still using with my G7! But, AF. It ruins every YT video I produce, hence why I'm on here. I'm hoping the GH6 AF will be a big enough improvement over the G7 because it's completely unusable. Sony almost had me, until I saw some of these comments stating that the Image Stabilization on the GH6 is better in Tripod Mode and it has a Dynamic Range Booster. Please have good enough AF Panny boy! I don't wanna have the same problem.

  • @RobertFalconer1967
    @RobertFalconer1967 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    There's no Z9 in this comparison. So it can never be the ultimate shootout.

    • @markshirley01
      @markshirley01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dpreviews favourite video camera currently

    • @FilmMavericks
      @FilmMavericks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Nikon for video? Nah

    • @markshirley01
      @markshirley01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FilmMavericks why not? If its Jordan Drakes and Dpreviews best camera they've ever tested - it cant be bad

    • @RobertFalconer1967
      @RobertFalconer1967 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@FilmMavericks Nikon for everything.

    • @logancartwright8280
      @logancartwright8280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@FilmMavericks maybe 3 years ago but Nikon have really come a long way with the z line.

  • @Sneaky-Sneaky
    @Sneaky-Sneaky 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Funny most reviews and video makers I’ve seen rate Panasonic the best for camera menus! Same goes for IBIS! What’s up guys ?

  • @SeanOReillySongs
    @SeanOReillySongs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    you guys did the GH6 so dirty here. shame.

  • @mgrgin
    @mgrgin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Autofocus.. I have never heard of a proper cinematographer using it.. noobs seem to be obsessed with it

  • @nilangaoutscope
    @nilangaoutscope 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    8:39 what the F, it DOES have a full touch screen
    Also should've tested rolling shutter as well

    • @Hazar1905
      @Hazar1905 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      stands for FulltimeFilmmaker

  • @davegarciajr191
    @davegarciajr191 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    why fujifilm xt4 not included? 😉

  • @LaurentHAMMER
    @LaurentHAMMER 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    You can balance the BlackMagic perfectly well on the Ronin, using counterweights for example.

  • @theiansm
    @theiansm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You're take on the crop factor is weird. If you were using brand specific and focal length equivalent lenses, why bring up the crop?

  • @aperture8983
    @aperture8983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think in stabilization Panasonic is the best I have a7siii Sony stabilization is fake just

  • @sinahtml
    @sinahtml 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I feel like these guys are just reading form spec sheets. Take dynamic range for example, I'm 99 percent sure that if they had properly tested these cameras, they wouldn't repeatedly advertise A7S III as having 15 stops of dynamic range while recording video internally, I've seen proper dynamic range test where BM beats the A7S III...

  • @oneeyedphotographer
    @oneeyedphotographer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    10:54 Every sensor/lens is exactly what it is, you are just measuring it wrongly. The correct comparison is by angle of view.

  • @indago1
    @indago1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Where is Nikon z9? Thats is the best camera now to get