The Deception of Feminism | Janice Fiamengo EP 12
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- This episode was recording on July 18th, 2022.
In this episode, Tammy welcomes guest, Janice Fiamengo to discuss issues in regards to feminism. Specifically, they cover the broad history of the feminist movement, the key influencers and events, and the general attitude of resentment against men.
Janice Fiamengo is a retired Professor of English from the University of Ottawa. She began The Fiamengo File series of TH-cam videos in 2015 to discuss the fraud of academic feminism and its devastating social effects. Her book "Sons of Feminism: Men Have Their Say"
was published in 2018, containing stories from men who have suffered in our feminist culture. She is now working on a new video series to uncover the anti-male bigotry and female supremacism at the origins of feminism in the 18th and 19th centuries.
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- Chapters -
[02:59] - Greetings
[04:28] - The Onset of Feminism
[07:20] - Mary Wollstonecraft
[33:22] - The Origin of the Organized Feminist Movement in America
[35:30] - Feminism: The Movement of Resentment
[50:21] - Sexual Attraction as What Defines Marital Happiness
[54:44] - Josephine Butler
[01:00:03] - The Underlying Spiritual Struggle of Feminism
[01:23:13] - The Hollywood Motif of Man as the Failure
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I'm a woman who fled an abusive marriage (life was threatened along with violence to back up the threat). I fled to a woman's shelter because I was across the country from any family and had no money. I was shocked when, in the group therapy sessions, women were categorically demonizing "men". I spoke up and said that I have four brothers and a father who are very kind, considerate and wonderful people, and that we cannot ever denounce an entire category of people, and was met with blank stares. It was very troubling that it was so accepted to say "men are this way" or "men are that way" without recognition that there are variations within any group, and there are God-honest GOOD men out there, who would give their lives to protect the women around them. I'm so glad I spoke up, and just pray that man-hating attitudes are called out whenever they're encountered. Yes, a dangerous, violent men exist out there, but that's no reason to apply blanket condemnation on ALL men. God bless the good men out there, you are the MAJORITY of men, and we are blessed to have you in our world, offering your gifts to humanity
I find that incredibly strong of you. ❤
Lol
It's called the Duluth model, which categorises men as perpetrators and women as victims. The main creator, Ellen Pence, admits in her book Lessons on Duluth and beyond (chapter thoughts in philosophy) that it wasnt true.
Listening I notice this all started during the same time abolishonists witnessing the dehumanizing brutal mistreatment of an entire demographic other human beings. Supposedly justified "to date" by demonizing & "shift blaming" the subject people. The profit driven savagery environment created by the subject characters drunk on entitlement stirred observation = internal re-evaluation of ruling class 'so called' men. Surveying / inquiring how much they had in common with slaves themselves.
@@GabrielPhelanLucas The female is the inventor and primary leverager for lies and dishonesty.
I'm a young man, and I feel that I'm not appreciated, loved, or wanted in this society. I have my family, and that's about it. Even the church has been polluted with this stuff.
Thank you for speaking out. It helps.
I can imagine it would feel pretty heavy at times. Prove the naysayers wrong by being the good man that you are. And there are reasonable women out there who had good men in their lives who appreciate men, I hope you are able to find some of them 💝
Horrendous
Nice message. There are vast wrongs committed against women, especially domestic violence, but this culture of contempt for men in general is disgusting.
@@kinglear5952 True. I would also say that there have been vast wrongs put on to men as well. For example, recently I found out that when a divorce happens it is not uncommon for the woman's lawyer to say to the judge that she is afraid. She doesn't have to prove anything. All she has to do is say she is afraid or doesn't feel safe with him, and she will get benefits (I forget exactly what) from that, like him having much less access to their children. Then he gets a protection from abuse record and now if he wants to date again he has to worry about that. A lot of women do background checks on the person she is dating and if she sees that she will see a huge red flag. Women have the power to ruin a man's life using only their mouths. The wrong kind of men can physically abuse women, and the wrong kind of women can socially and financially abuse men. I may be wrong with some of these details because I'm not completely sure about some parts of it, but I think you get the idea. Anyone can feel free to correct me. EDIT-I wrote this comment before I finished the video so please excuse the repetition!
You are absolutely loved, appreciated, and wanted. Keep your head up and stay strong, because this feminist drivel is on its way out and the light is starting to shine through. Much love.
The women who manipulate and aggress their way into being dominant in the family, the marriage deteriorates and fails. The same is true for our society. And everyone suffers.
Yes, when the wife no longer supports the husband, the marriage can’t last. When the people don't take their covenantal faithfulness, service, and worship in love to the LORD seriously anymore, taking it easy, developing their own ways and standards, it should not surprise us that it affects their relationship with the LORD and their personal service to him
@@TammyPetersonPodcast 100%
@@TammyPetersonPodcastwoooh❤ I am glad I read this today!!
@@TammyPetersonPodcast I wish you a long life and that others will be influenced by your femininity that emanates when you speak.
@@TammyPetersonPodcastOr Lords, let us not forget the polytheistic among us.
This podcast was like a soaking rain on parched earth to my heart. I’m an English major, graduating next spring, and can corroborate everything Janice is saying. I’m a Mum of two little boys and the state of the world toward men is heavy on my heart. I think I’m called to speak up about it as best I can. This podcast made me realize how real the burden on my heart really is.
I realized this very perception that you mention almost 35 years ago. I too was what I thought a feminist was supposed to be back in the 80s. And to ascribe to its tenets and dogma was “the thing to do” among modern, single, women.
I always believed myself to be a sort of self described “less attractive” woman. As it turned out my friends, two or three college friends (who I thought were more attractive than I) would bash men in conversation, and yet also were not having any dates with our male peers in college, or if we did we didn’t appreciate the men who were kind enough to ask us out. There must have been some major insecurities there too. But we didn’t discuss those aspects of each of our personal past experiences.
I did meet and marry my favorite man I’ve ever known, yet as we were dating we wrote to each other often. I would read the funny cards in card stores and Hallmark shops. I soon began to realize that these cards blatantly disparaged men. Only men. I began to question my role when fomenting a disdain for men within my friend circle in conversation.
And then shortly after marrying and moving to a wonderful small town we started a family. Our first child was a son and I never thought of my self as a “feminist” as such again. And the misandry-a word we never hear in the media-is a zero sum game in which the feminist sort of puts a fence around herself with her rules and misperceptions thus boxing herself off in a falsehood that actually harms her and yet is false but she believes is true.
If men are so horrible, sexist, etc. so who is raising all these horrible men?
I hear you and felt the same way listening to all of Janices youtube videos on the history of feminism. Thank you for your comment. We all need to speak up.
@Tammy M. Peterson Kellie Jay Keen who started the Standing For Women Movement & founder of FEMALISM the new Sisterhood of Womanhood globally.We Femalists fighting the Trans Rights Extremist Ideology & Autogynephiles hell bent on perverting & dismantling Females Sex Based Human Rights, Men in Woman Face invading & violation Female Single Sex Spaces, Sports & Services protected by new misogynistic laws.
Kellie Jay Keen came from a very working class background, on her own merit she got a place at university & degree in Theology.She got married & was a stay at home mother to her 3 boys & her daughter until, she rose up to fight against the Mutilating & Medicating of children sacrificed on the altar of Trans.The threat of the erasure of Females & of Mothers.Feminism is so last century now, FEMALISM is the way forward, learn something new from Top Tier TERF Kellie Jay Keen.
@@evaeden5820 Kelly Jay Keen. I've looked her up. Thanks so much for your comment
@Tammy M Peterson
thank you for taking the time to reply, yes Kellie Jay Keen is calling all Women Adult Human Females to join as one & stop the evil of TRA Extremist Ideology.
KJK is entering the devils den on 18 of September 2022 when she addresses the Preston Park Protest in Brighton.I will be there & we are bracing ourselves for a great deal of aggression from Trans Rights Extremists, Autogynephiles the Pride Progress Flag bearers & as Brighton is now a student town, hordes of belligerent, badly behaved students.Brighton is going to go down in history as a stand off between decent responsible people & parents & the ranks of the perverted & the proponents of child mutilation & “gender neutral”(actually mixed ) sex facilities, spaces & services.Brighton is the epicentre for this grotesque fallacy!!
The event will be streamed live on TH-cam & please pray for Kellie Jay’s protection & to guide & direct the speakers to move more & more people against this pernicious abomination that is attacking society & it’s the most vulnerable, our children.
My father was gentle to my mother and my little sister and myself. My husband is just as gentle to me, our daughter’s and grand daughters like my father. Our son is a gentlemen to his wife and his 9 month old fraternal twins as well.
I have never once agreed with this radical man hating agenda! Thank you for this podcast. May all the men in our lives especially our sons and grandsons find a place in society where their manliness and gentleness can co exist
Gentle and kind are manly.
Yes, rigid, binary ideas about what men should be versus what women should be are harmful and out-of-date. We owe gratitude to feminism for challenging those rigid gender prejudices and freeing men to be gentle and nurturing.
@@mewho6199I don't agree. Those rigid ideas and gender stereotypes are more in the mind of the feminists than in reality. Men have always been free to be kind and gentle, and good men have always known that. It is in the Illiad, perhaps the oldest existing literature.
@@mewho6199 ….The Bible teaches men to be gentle to women, to love your wife, to LOVE HER AS CHRIST LOVES THE CHURCH. Feminism is a poor substitute, and actually a twisted philosophy, when compared to the Bible.
@@mewho6199 those rigid gender prejudices give us a fighting chance to be the best example for our children. Corinthians 3:18-19 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.
Misandry is our collective neurosis... Janice is a rock star! Thanks for speaking up! I have suffered greatly from the Bitter feminist/woke/anti Father anti male society we have had the last 25 years!
In my case every big hardship has been imposed on me by a woman, starting from my mother. I am a senior.
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Watching this has been so freeing. I realize now that I am not the only woman who sees the truth of the feminist movement. Not only does Janice advocate for young men, but also for young women. Thank you for posting this podcast. I hope with every fiber of my being that this is the beginning of change.
Leaving a baby with a stranger ,working all day then having enough energy to make decent food,homework give kids what they need is insane
in the UK we have the "care giver", never a more Orwellian term has been inserted in everyday discourse. Kids raised without parental love... what could possibly go wrong? (Or 'right' if one is a State-Party member).
We all know what the feminist say about that. It's men's fault, men need to take up more of the household chores and child care.
@@25Soupy well they do.
Men have been saying that forever but i guess no one was listening.
Well they don't actually accomplish those goals, which is why the majority identify as feeling unhappy with life. They don't eat healthy nor do the kids so obesity skyrockets, less energy to attend to kids so they're raised by tv & tablets. They feel depressed, out of shape, tired. Yet will fight you if you suggest that they've bought into a lie.
I had a quiet, gentle father who was always interested in what was going on in my life, who encouraged me in my education and told me when he thought I was going the wrong way. With a Dad like that, feminism has never had the chance to make me hate men. I have a lovely, sensitive, generous adult son, completely dedicated to his little daughter - I would never go along with men-bashing just to fit in with the shallow-minded and mean-spirited "sisterhood". And I do emphasise to my granddaughter that boys are lovely, too.
Thank you for your prayer. I invite you to speak with me on my podcast about your experience of marriage, career and family. I believe it is up to all of us to do our part
@@TammyPetersonPodcast thank you Tammy. I am not on Facebook, nor on Instagram. I can express myself much clearer in writing, so I keep writing comments (a lot!) Please carry on doing what you are doing, I like following people who are talking about their discovery of their faith and raising the important questions that society refuses to look at!
My the favour of the Lord rest upon you and all your family - always!
Your story resonates with me as well. My father was the best father I could've had and was there for me in my day to day life growing up. I speak with him sometimes about my fears around how this movement may affect him and so many like him. There are good men in the world, let's let them know we appreciate them!
@@MsFreudianSlip thank you for your comment and prayers
I was that father and more, and only a year ago; one of my daughters wrote me a lovely card to that effect; now. . .they have both cancelled me and family over a difference of opinion only the truly DUMB could entertain, and man are they going dumber on afterburner
I never realized how truly anti-family the feminist movement truly was until hearing this. I so appreciate hearing what Janice had to say, and I want to learn more about her and her work. This is so important now more than ever. Thank you for sharing this, Tammy.
This talk is everything I’ve felt about my reflections on my youth, relationship with my now deceased parents and their failed marriage. How their experiences during the 2nd wave feminism and sexual revolution of the 60-70’s shaped that eventuality of their relationship. Resentment and bitterness are the two main themes I saw in my mother’s life and her lifelong self-imposed depression and misery and they all stem from her wholesale acceptance of the destruction of feminism and how it conflicted with her deep desire for male companionship. So much that she degraded herself by cheating on my father and giving of sex in the hopes of obtaining the male affection she always wanted. I fight every day to keep myself from that resentment and bitterness and to NEVER look at my beloved husband as an adversary. My heart breaks so much for my father who loved her so much but she was so corrupted by this ideology. Not to say he didn’t have his issues, but he didn’t deserve all the blame on the failure of their marriage and as a father. She willfully drove a wedge between my father and me and it is taking me a great deal of effort to work through that anger in her and myself for so much waste.
Now I have my son and I am terrified for him and what a malevolent feminist may subject him to. Knock on wood.
37:00 resentment! A grudges
And prostitute
I was a stay at home mum with two sisters who were and still are career focused. I watched their children so they could go out to work. They have told me that they never had a minutes worry that their children were not being cared for, that they could go to work in the knowledge that they were with me. They call me earth mother ( which I am not, I’m a mum to the best of my abilities) they have also said that I am a stepford wife. They are horrified at my belief that feminism does not work and that it’s far better to support women as I have them without the need to bring a man to his knees. They walked over my back to further their careers and that is a feminism that I cannot get on board with. Am I bitter? Angry? No, I have an incredible relationship with my nieces and nephews that they do not have with my children, I also still have my marriage. I do believe they will never be content and it’s sadness I feel for them not anger. This is the first time I have heard women talking the way I think. I’ve never needed to belong to a cause or a group but it’s so nice to see that other women still promote men. I have a son, a husband a brother, I had a wonderful father and grandfather and I cannot imagine my life without the influence and love and respect of these men. My daughter also knows the importance of men in her life and she has been independently living on her own since she was 16 1/2 years old off to college then on to university, passing her Psychology with honours this year. You don’t need to be a feminist to support women and that’s what I have guided her in. She has her own mind and she also has a healthy respect for the males in her life. Thank you ladies.
Thank you for your prayer. I invite you to speak with me on my podcast. I believe it is up to all of us to say what we understand from our experience of marriage, career and children
Tammy
You should tell your story far and wide. More people need to hear it, though I think few would welcome it. I've long said that women who work outside the home are only part-time mothers, and not very good ones at that. You can't hold two full-time jobs, which they all insist being a mother is, and excel at both jobs. Nobody does. Something always has to give. And when you look at what they do -- it's always opt to pay someone else to be the mother figure in the child's life. They take the credit, but won't admit that it was someone else who was there for all the little things that mean so much. They betrayed their families because they wanted the glory and power for themselves. They thought they would achieve great things, getting their names in the lights, so they hired someone else to be the mother while always complaining about how tough it was to be a mother for the few short hours they actually did it.
At Three Forge
Did the Prov 31, work and mother?
Yes. She had maids to help
Are they working women who are part time mothers , Yes
Are they women who don't work and still are not good moms Yes
The bible guides us on how to have balance, extremism is always an issue.
I would love to see stats on how many FT homemaker mothers and grandmothers are picking up the slack for feminist career centered mothers and fathers. Many I know watch 3+ kids beyond their own.
@@threeriversforge1997 Well said. I have watched this play out badly for the children over the years.
Hi Tammy,
I’m not sure if you have ever heard of a woman known as Erin Pizzey, but she was the first woman ever on the face of the earth to set up a domestic shelter for women. She had tried to get the same for men, as she had rightly recognised that domestic abuse was never a gendered issue. Unfortunately she got no help for men during those early days. I have a huge amount of respect for her! I’m currently half way through this talk! It’s bloody gripping!
why dont men help her? Maybe they just deny they are victims?
@@vassilopoula if I’m to paraphrase Erin’s words ‘Those same millionaires that reached into their pocket to help fund me wouldn’t do it when I asked about funding for male victims of domestic violence.’
Now that’s not an exact quote but the essence is the same.
It's simple because the narrative has to fit with the agenda.
@@vassilopoula maybe it's the shame , it's the shame when they are the victim and when they are the perpetrator. What we are hearing here is that their experiences are ignored either way. The equality of abuse. And that Women have to give up their 'only we are victims' mantle.
Janice is active in the Men's Rights movement so she knows her for sure. She may even have met her.
Thank you for this podcast! I enjoyed it so much. I am trained in reproductive biology and am training as a family scientist now. The demonization of men in modern times is disgusting and a true disservice to my father and brothers. I believe willful cooperation in marriage will lead to the best outcomes for children and, overall, greater life satisfaction for people.
Jennifer Harper, I'm so glad to see up and coming scientists who can see behind the facade of feminism. I agree, as a mother of 4 grown sons that the unfair treatment of men is disgusting! I've always thought that women had inborn empathy but in many cases they have no problem kicking a man when he's down and not putting themselves in another's shoes. Something my mother taught us. It must be rarely taught today. Sad for our son's, husband's, and father's. And to think that overall they don't hold it against us makes me cry and have hope at the same time.
@@sherigraham3873 Well written. I hope that women do indeed realize that men are perfectly aware of the cruelty of certain forms of feminism and of gender quotas etc, but we just want to start living harmoniously again. We're not going to hold it against women or try to get revenge. Yes society sucks, yes certain people are cruel, yes I've suffered terribly in the past to the point that at times I wanted to un-alive myself. Now let's try to build something better. I don't want revenge.
@@lightworker2956 God bless you and your goodness. As a Christian it's called turning the other cheek which some people don't understand. It's the only way to get society back on track. Hatred and revenge only destroys further. Father's are sorely needed in the family and I revere and respect good men everywhere. Without men in general society and infrastructure would crumble to the ground. Thankyou for your generous and thoughtful comments!
you're a woman in 2022 and you believe in biology??? wow! i'm shocked! what a rarity!
Any tips for "secondary infertility" ? Already grateful for a son who's 7 but have been trying to conceive for years on and off. More off than on to be honest. Losing hope. I just turned 30!
Thank you, ladies, for your intellect and effort. Just thank you. My mother was exposed to this when she was pregnant and in college for engineering. She was pressured not to let me "get in the way" of her happiness and career. We need more courageous ones like you.
Oh,this comment stings BIG TIME. More people need to read this.
Ask your parents if they ever thought of aborting YOU. Or better don't.
well, that was just wrong for them to say that.
I'm happy to see another Peterson with a podcast. This conversation was very enriching. Thank you to you both.
Sooooo slooooow... when I read your comment the coin dropped, oh, that Tammy Peterson!
The Peterson Multiverse
Holy cow, I didn't even realise. How funny. The fact that she's Canadian should have been a huge clue, lol.
I historically rejected feminism as a movement because I couldn't tolerate their justification of their bitterness and resentful narratives.....as you discussed. My challenge was to fight the subconscious garbage that may have influenced my thoughts and behaviors. This manifested in boldly admitting that I wanted to be married with children.....against the current of aggressive feminist "successes" without men.......I am in 25 years married and I would change nothing!
I think that is great, Not everyone is on the same path in life. If people would just ewspect that, i think there would be a more peaceful and happier life.
Keep being asleep about men and see how well that turns out for you in the end, handmaiden.
@@nonaturalbornmalesallowed get therapy
So did I, but because I saw feminism as harming women, and removing more of my rights with nothing to offer except for a small number of elite women. It was also obviously Marxist in relation to families, but in reality it increased taxation and big government, lowered wages and inflated the property portfolios of the wealthy.
I was a straight A student but I told all my teachers I only wanted to be a wife and mother, and I married in my last year of highschool, nearly forty years ago. No regrets, whilst many women my age who took different paths have many.
@@nonaturalbornmalesallowedI think after 25 years she would know.
Another English major here, from Australia, I too corroborate Janice's well reasoned, well supported points. I have shared a similar critique of feminism, especially third wave onwards, in discussion with my kids and students. I'm a Christian and God has wholeness and dignified relationships for us. I encourage my married daughters and eighteen year old son who first commended Dr Peterson to me. Thank you for such thoughtful interviews, so worthwhile.
Hello Helen from New Zealand.. How can I access your critique? I am preparing a book for publicaion which includes a strong focus on Elizabeth Caradus, my great great grandmother, a prominent Christian activist in the core group of women who led NZ to be the first country in the world to grant women the vote in 1893.. I spent many years leading an English Department in a NZ college before I retired. Also have a doctorate in educational history.
Thank you for your comment.
@@TammyPetersonPodcast Thank you for your response. Keep following where your inner light leads. We need to talk about this subject. Do not let those who indulge in petty ad hominem responses disturb you. Have you considered inviting Abigail Favale, Dean of Humanities from George Fox University as a guest?. A very insightful person.
@@clairehills3128 will do this as soon as I read her book thanks so much
Feminism not only demands hatred of males but also the hatred of young women who are seen as a threat to the power of older women.
Is that really factual?
Reading part of Sons of Feminism was life-changing and eye-opening for me, thank you so much. Couldn't stomach finishing it yet. She is great. So much more of this kind of speaking out for men and their side of the story/perspective needed
My husband had a brain aneurism when my children were 3 & 6. He did not die, but was severely changed. Sometimes as a virtual single Mom we may appear as more forceful but for me I was strong because I was weak.
It was round the time that this professor referred to, about the 1980's.
With the struggles of raising the children together, apart I had no time for or belief in feminism.
I was frightened for my son, and in later years as he told me how it was for him as a young man. He suicided Feb 22, 2021, perhaps compounded by an aspect of this. As a Mom watching this decline it was impossible to hold back the horror.
My son was kind, genius in his field of work, generous of spirit. He had spoken to me about when he sometimes would walk down the street women would take a wide birth. He was nice looking, and had done virtually nothing to engender that response, so
I see what you are saying.
He was going toward his spiritual upbringing and convictions again when, what with lockdowns and all the changes he was going through at the time, caused him to not be in his right mind and, then, that death was his solution.
It has been a horrifying road. Feminism is not the solution.
There is a spiritual solution. I am a Christian, not perfect, but forgiven by the grace of God. Bringing awareness to young women has also been one of my goals, but the waves of this crazy phenomenon on my grandchildren are hard to hold back. The internet is rife with the agenda of all the gender changes. They are well parented.
Growing up I wanted children. I had to overcome huge obstacles but it was worth it. Now one of my children is dead. It is unbelievable! I am sad, angry, shaken beyond measure. Were it not for my faith in Jesus, and even that is not my own, I could not live. The wind is knocked out of me and I can barely speak.
I am the widow woman saying to Ezekiel that even dogs can eat the crumbs that fall off the table, totally devastated, but reaching to God, and as I turn my face to God, I am hopeful.
Thank you for this talk. Interesting that the Salvation Army, in 1878 and earlier in England and France in the beginning, and eventually in America had a Godly spiritual solution to the poverty of those days that left families starving as the despair of men who had no work, and unable to pay for food took them to alcohol has an interesting correlation.
The last three letters of feminism is: "I SELF & ME", the real oppressor, self-centered to the core, separate from God.
May this post be a light in the pathway for others.
That moved me a lot. God bless you 🥹
Your story touched me deeply, brought tears to my eyes. As a believing Christian you know that your son's soul is not lost, and that the day will come when you will be reunited with him in love. Thank you for sharing.
Wow. Very sorry for your loss! May the LORD guide you through this valley of the shadow of death and comfort you.
God bless you. I'm very sorry for your loss.
You will see them again. Suicide is not the unforgivable sin. God give you increasing strength, and peace, and hope.
I love that
children aren't the product of the woman, or the man,
but the product of th union (marriage) of man and woman
lovely
Tammy has a youtube channel? Epic, 100% subbed :) As a 32yo straight male I find it interesting how excited I am to hear what you've got to say.
I cannot explain how happy I am to have found this and you guys........ I feel like a loan voice in a sea of absolute vitriol and hate. Finally I find my people. Women have ALWAYS had power and knew how to use it. There are bad & good women and men and no one gender is to blame as a whole....
How so many women and people think they way we are treating men as being ok is devastating. It Shocks me how many women happily and actively denigrate their own, sons, brothers, fathers grandsons and partners... how ? HOW? do they justify this.
The breaking down of relationships and family should be a wake up call but sadly it is not. We are ALL human, we all have positive and negative traits, ideas, thoughts and actions.
Such a nice talk! I also learned about the lies of feminism and how they say they are for women, when in fact trying to destroy men will end up destroying us women, so I am teaching my daughter and my son about the dangers of feminism. Thank you and also Tammy, so nice to hear you talk about God, it’s so nice and refreshing. God bless you and your beautiful family and thank you for all you guys are doing to help humanity 🙌🏻🙏🏻
Good on you! Feminism has gone awry. Originally it may have had it’s time-especially after the First World War wherein women had to do the jobs of so many men. And we’re we surprised they could actually do them? This was again reinforces after WWII, and so many single moms were the result. But heroic fathers remained, in absentia, with perhaps a photo on the fireplace mantle, an honored yet silent, heroic presence. Sons and daughters need to be brought sensibly to the fold; men and women are-according to the science-are different. This is true all across the mammalian species. Feminists have erred in their negation of their most important role, utterly destroying themselves the role of motherhood.
@@cecemeyers6028 agree! The role of a mother is the most important of all, it’s invaluable!
@@marayoung As a man, I agree that the role of the mother is probably the most valuable role of all. I do indeed hope that a good number of women re-dedicate themselves to being loving mothers and to raise their children in a safe and stable environment.
They're not lies
This was so encouraging to hear two women giving of their time, wisdom, and love to have this very important conversation. Thank you.
1:06:00 anatomy of female power
It is crazy the state of the world with the feminism movement of both men and woman! Thank you both for speaking up on this topic and we as woman all need to stand up and break this cycle!
You cannot break this cycle as it is. All demograpics, cultural decline, family breakdown points to a downward spiral.
However, there is a silver lining. Believing in the family unit, a service to society in the form of education of children, having faith in religion or spirituality, passing on the message of a brighter future (even if you have to sacrifice your own needs) might bring about a change.
The other side has no investment in the future. Just resentment, abuse of drugs, children, alcoholism and ill health. Since they have no future, their progeny will likely peter out.
The cycle is breaking for a lot of people, that is the power of people standing up, fighting for love & truth!
Both men and women, victimhood isn't a good place to build from, constantly seeking pityness is a helpless mindset that is counterproductive. Sure men are there too but who is leading this mostly?
Thank you both for sharing this conversation. I have admired Janice Fiamengo for some time now - her honesty, decency, and commitment to speaking truthfully, to the benefit of everyone.
There is often much resistance and character sluring when men attempt to talk about these matters. Emotional reasoning tends to dominate. Our natural, and often healthy, reflexive instinct is to protect women- even when there isn’t an actual threat - preventing nuanced conversations.
More women speaking truth to reason is really helpful.
Respect to you both.
This popped up on my feed and out of curiosity I listened, not sure of what I would hear. I was pleased to hear many of the same things I have felt for many years. The hostility and disrespect our society has toward men is embarrassing and reprehensible. As was stated, it doesn't do any of us any good to be at war with one another. As a married woman for 40 years with two sons, I would love to see this change. Men and women need one another and we need to respect one another for both our differences and our similarities. Thank you for speaking about this.
This is an immensely important topic, thank you both for offering your knowledge and sharing your gifts. Absolutely wonderful talk. Thank you. God bless you both.
Thank you, Tammy and Janice for this beautiful conversation. My husband and I raised five sons. It was a lot of work, but also a lot of fun. Now they are grown and happily settled with wives and children of their own. When I was young I believed the “oppressed women” narrative. That didn’t last very long once I had a husband and sons of my own. How could it, when I could see how good, hard working, and kind they were? An honorable man, like an honorable woman, is a noble, divine being. I wish society could see the good in each gender.
Thank you for lovingly raising the next generation.
I've been officially diagnosed with being emotionally neglected by both my mother and father, plus my mother cheated on my father which led to their divorce. I'm a 35 year old man now and nowhere close to having a girlfriend, let alone a wife and children. I haven't even finished repairing the damage from my youth and haven't finished trying to somehow give myself the love that I didn't get as a child.
So, yeah. Happy to hear that other boys did receive a good upbringing. Thank you for raising them right. If really makes a huge difference in how a person's life will unfold.
@@lightworker2956 Thank you for your kind words and for sharing some of your own story. The mortal experience is inherently messy, and no one gets through without wounds. I was raised in a home void of affection, but decided in my teens that the cycle would end with me. Light worker, by healing yourself you are doing a great and important work. May God bless your journey. ❤
@@lightworker2956 Best wishes for continued healing. There is someone for everyone. You can get in a meaningful relationship. Accept God's immense love for you and love yourself as you love your neighbour.
"I was lucky and it didn't happen to me, so it doesn't exist". All 8 billion people are exactly like my one husband and 5 sons."
THANK YOU both brave, gentle and wise women! I was raised in a one parent, fatherless "family". My mother fell into the 'blame men' pit for all of her difficult decisions and became a staunch feminist. It took me almost 50 years, a failed marriage and attempting to mother three boys to overcome my feminist Kain and Abel complex. I recovered from my life long feminist indoctrination when I began to wonder who men really were. Jordan's affect became life changing since he gave me the theoretical and empirical frames of reference I needed to make sense. A practical anecdote from my work as a (non-lesbian) dance/movement psychotherapist: In group work with elementary school children, I had adapted the game musical chairs so that nobody would lose. There were always more chairs than children. The boys used to complain, saying that without having a winner, this game was not fun. I used to brush them off, claiming that this way nobody would loose and be sad or angry. After listening to Jordan I began to let the boys engage in rough and tumble play. They (and I ) had great fun as they playfully roughed around while they grouped into a functioning hierarchy which was "run" by their best 'man'. He was chosen without words, within a second. He ususally was a well liked, successful but also tough boy whom they trusted to be fair but no walk over. It was a great satisfaction to de-colonize these boys from my feminism and woman's taste for other ways of being together. Thank you so much again. I will share this video as much as I can.
Lovely and all umtill boys decide to play real war and rape eg Russia, Iran etc😁
I have been waiting for an in-depth interview with Janice Fiamengo for a long time. Her work is a lighthouse beacon visible in a storm ridden sea.
Yes Michael, so true. I loved her podcast series on this topic and am thrilled to see her with Mrs. Peterson! A fantastic duo attacking a problem that needed attacking at least sixty years ago. Much sorrow would have been averted for so many lives.
This is so spot on. The sad thing is that rational arguments, facts and observations stand no chance against the emotions and the sheer loudness. It's difficult discussing with someone who just wants to fight you.
That’s not true. Truth endures. Have faith.
@@gg.6633A lie circles the globe while the truth is still getting its shoes on.
Kia Ora Tammy from New Zealand. I love your reflections. I am a mother of 8 wonderful children and have had a rewarding secondary education career for over 50 years as well..I am descended from Elizabeth Caradus, a leading NZ Christian suffragist and have almost finished a 250 page book on her and her husband and her descendants for four generations. She would have been horrified about what is happening now. I hope you keep exploring this issue. Hope you enjoy your visit to NZ later this year.
New Zealand was the first country in the world to grant women the vote on 19 September 1893
@Claire Hill what would she make of Trans Rights Extremists & “theys” erasure of Females’ hard won sex based human rights?What of the Mutilating & Medicating of children sacrificed on the altar of Gender Ideology? What of Autogynephiles invading & violation Female Only Single Sex Soaces, Sports & Services?
I’m a Femalist I am fighting tooth & nail against the globally coordinated war on Females of all ages & the I see through the propaganda of TRAs & AGPs “theys” hiding in plain sight “theys” Pedo Pals in “theys” rank ranks!!
This is the here & now fight what’s destroying minds bodies & any semblance of normality for children snared in the TRA extremist cult.
@@clairehills3128 What a disastrous mistake it has been.
@@brazwen Why?
@@clairehills3128 Inc4ease welfare state, relaxed immigration policies, more likely to vote for communism, increased the size of the government. Women are attracted to resources, thus putting more burden on the tax payers, no wonder why they vote for it. Women have turned the government into their husband, their provider instead of the men
Ms. Fiamengo, I hear your message loud and clear. You are a woman that calls for the unity of the family and responsibility to our future generations, regardless of gender.
Unfortunately, I doubt the message will resonate with our younger generation. It has been poisoned beyond recovery. I say this with profound sorrow and regret.
You reap what you sow.
I have teens. The younger generation has been so thoroughly wrecked by feminism that they are searching for the truth and moving back toward family values. They need role models who will speak truth & reality with them. I hope we see a turnaround in this country. We need it!
It is hard to put into words just how damaging the withdrawal of sex can be in a marriage. I waited years, which stretched into the better part of three decades before I decided to step outside the marriage in order to feel the embrace of a woman's arms in intimacy. That decision and all that fluid from it has had its consequences, and none of it would have happened had there been a loving embrace instead of years of rejection and indifference to this aspect of the marital contract. The vow speaks of forsaking all others, which I did for decades. It does not speak of being forsaken.
What an articulate and gentle way to express the phenomenon of going out and "getting some strange".
That's why it used to be called 'marital duties' not 'marital pleasures'.
I was in a similar situation in my first marriage. Unlike you, I didn't last that long! 4 long, loveless years nearly drove me insane!
So you have my utmost respect for your fidelity. God bless
did you ask why? did you find ways to make your wife feel desirable? I am sick of men bleating about lack of sex when they make no effort
@@vickijohnson4668 Why is the go-to always "if women don't hold up their side of the relationship, it's the man's fault"?
Suppose a man didn't do something that women want men to do in a relationship. Surely that man couldn't get away with saying "well, did the woman find ways to make the man comfortable with holding up his end of the responsibilities?"
I'm not going to enter a relationship where the woman's position is "you are required to perform the man's responsibilities in the relationship, no ifs and buts. I'm not required to do the woman's responsibilities."
Not an easy subject to talk about. In part because it's hard to bring up the pain that led to infidelity without seeming to condone it, and especially because women tend to be very very upset about infidelity, but not at all bothered by the kind of lack of fidelity that sexual withdrawal presents itself as to men. I'm not sure that it's something men really can explain to women (well, maybe to these women you could, but they've opened their hearts in a way many can't). I don't think womem understand what a pain and betrayal withdrawal of sex is, because they don't usually feel it. But they can easily understand the pain of women who experience infidelity. Trying to explain tends to only invite further criticism and humiliation.
Some women are trying to drive a bargain (and men are too, admittedly), where they deserve and get everything they want and don't have to give anything up in exchange and keep all the cards for themselves. Men tend to try to achieve this in sex without marriage, women try to achieve it in marriage without sex. Both are a kind of lack of fidelity, because fidelity is about what you do with sex, not just what you don't or can't do with it.
Thank you very much for this interview, Peterson and Fiamengo! I'm a man and listening to this was healing to me.
Thank you for speaking about this. Lately I've been going through a process which I could describe as an 'awakening'. It involves looking for my place as a woman in society and in my family and part of this awakening has been noticing and rejecting a lot of feminist information I had unconsciously been absorbing and acting out in my life. I'm a wife and mother now and have noticed a great sense of peace and fulfillment whenever I lean into the more "traditional" feminine roles, those roles I was told were somehow demeaning and oppressive. Being nurturing, caring and tending to my home make me feel good. When did we collectively decide that this was a shameful thing?
And while I see the pitfalls of feminism, the hatred of men, the artificial and capricious aggrandizing of women, I have yet to find my own balance. I cannot fully relate to the conservative, fully traditional life-style, I'm an artist and also feel a strong compulsion to create and have a flourishing career. I guess it's up to each of us to find our balance and our way.
And one final note that I have been pondering about, a little thorn in my side if you will... I notice Janice calls herself an anti-feminist. And while I resonate with a lot of what she says and I applaud her for being a brave voice in the midst of all this, a small alarm bell rings in my heart when I see anyone be 'anti' anything. I see a reason to proceed with caution so that this new cause doesn't become a new identity that ends up undermining the valid and good intentions the person had in the first place.
This topic is so heavy on my heart and has been since I went to University in 2010. I cannot wait to listen.
It's really nice to see two wise women having such a great discussion :).
1:09:40 who ?
I love this interview and am hoping there will be one with Camille Paglia in the future, thank you Tammy and Janice.
Paglia is advocated for NAMBLA. I can totally do without her.
Yes yes! I love Camile Paglia, even though she is a little crazy and a lot radical. I think she would have some great insights to share. She's brilliant.
I'm so happy to discover that you have your own channel now Tammy! This is so great! 👍 👌 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟❤️
I really loved the way you both described marriage in the days of yore. I had never considered that a marriage is a separate entity, or that children are the spirit of. Thank you for this gift of wisdom. I hope to adopt these ideas if/when I marry.
Thank you very much Mrs. Peterson, you and all the members of your family (Dr. Peterson, Mrs. Mikhaila and Mr. Julian) for your wonderful work in the service of improving humanity as a whole and to eradicate to some degree, our thinking imbalances. With great respect to all your family.
Ps1. I teach yoga, (I own a school) and with the help of your husband I can combine the spiritual aspects of both cultures (three cultures, Greek, Christian, Buddhist myth, philosophy) and it helped a lot me and my students also. It's really unique and enlightening to understand that the core of every approach is is the same purpose, so you can eliminate hatred or biased views :)
Ps. Thank you for coming in Greece, looking forward to see you again
Dimitris Papadakis
Wow, I'm glad I clicked this and gave it a chance. An amazing discourse about that every modern woman and man should see.
In Wales in the 12th Century Women had lots of rights, to chose their husband, to own property, to divorce, to hold a position in the community. When I explain this to my friends they can't believe that women had more value , respect and importance being Mothers and family members then than they do now. We are indoctrinated that we don't hear any positivity about marriages and the power sharing that was or is based around the family. As though power, meaning and value can only come through having a career.
I’ve never seen as many comments on any other channel from women starting to realise the truth about feminism. I don’t know this channel, but it looks like Tammy could be a very effective conduit for this sorely needed and overdue realisation. Janice has been one of the exceedingly few hero women fighting to highlight just how toxic feminism is, and has always been. Another notable is Karen Straughan (Girl Writes What) who was most active on TH-cam around 2013-14. Watch their content, it will open your eyes.
Thank you for doing your podcast, Tammy. I’ve listened to Dr. Peterson for years and have been looking for similar information and insight from a mature woman’s perspective. I think there is a great irony that the type of elder women we need to hear from in this sound, grounded and Godly-oriented fashion, are not naturally inclined to be in the spotlight. Thanks to God that you received and accepted this calling. May you continue to be blessed with His Grace and guidance. 🙏🏻💗
Thank you for your comment and encouragement
I was an English major, but back in the early 2000s. We didn't have all this stuff then, or at least only on the far fringes. I've enjoyed listening to Janice before. I've been in the unusual situation for the last ten years of being the primary caretaker for two little girls, while my wife was the successful careerist in our family. It was an enormous education in society, human nature, men, women, children, the problems of work, what it takes to build a home, and so many other things. Whatever women are learning about men in the academy is far less than you learn from being in a complex relationship with the opposite sex (including tiny representatives of it).
The stangest place I've been seeing academic feminism lately is inside Christian churches and the books women in them read. I suppose that's not really surprising at all, in many ways. But I grew up in a small town, and so my idea of what churches are like and what the women in them are like is somewhat skewed. Not only because small town people are more conservative, but because the particular people in my town shunned anything overly ostentatious or dramatic, being mostly of German descent. They didn't get into things like that, they liked you to mind your own business and get your work done. Their faith and their politics are far from trendy and avoid notoriety. I think we all sort of assumed that whatever problems needed to be taken care of on the structural end of male/female relations had already been taken care of, and everything else was your own business to figure out. But while the simple folk were focused on living their lives and on their work, mostly, the academic class was redesigning the world and all of history, apparently.
I was surprised at that too. The MDiv programs are full of woke “reimaginings” of Christianity.
Immensely gratful for Janice Fiamengo and her authentic care & love of men and support for true equality and honesty.
Thank you for your prayer. There are more conversations to come
Loved this podcast Tammy! Thank you for speaking about these issues. Hopefully, truth will win in the end
Thank you both so much! It’s wonderful to hear you saying things I have felt and thought, but not been able to express. When I have tried to say these things to friends, I am silenced by them because they completely believe all that feminism says. You give me courage to speak out. Like many commenting here, I am a mother of sons - two young men who have told me how confusing it is to be in a world where men are not “meant” to be men.
@Anne Humphreys I was wondering what you meant by your last sentence.Giving examples, or situations your sons have experience would be enlightening
@@evaeden5820 That sense that they are not meant to assert themselves - being told they should stand back and let women speak at meetings. And I am hearing this from the nicest kindest young man who would never be macho and dominating. It’s baffling to me because when I worked full time30 years ago I never felt held back by the men, I always said what I thought. Now, young women seem to be demanding special treatment.
It’s also baffling to my sons how they find a girlfriend- apparently you’re not ‘meant’ to ask a work colleague out and friends who are girls are off limits too. Then there are all the job and grant applications which clearly prioritise women applicants- this is stated on the information, although how they get away with this when we have laws in the uk against discrimination. . .
We must speak up!!💗 Or they and this evil win
Such a nice podcast and so informative. Completely different from the mainstream narrative. Keep up the good work and let truth prevail. 👏🏻
What I find so fascinating is the number of people in this comment section who claim to be feminists but then tell Tammy she is parroting what her husband said. They inherently believe that people who do not subscribe to feminism are "brainwashed by or are subservient to men". It reminds me of liberals who believe conservatives are racist, so if a black person believes in conservative principles, "they are brainwashed, self-hating, race traitors". To me this just confirms the toxicity of the progressive ideology. Think like the group, claim your victimhood, create a stereotype of the alleged oppressor by making assumptions and broad generalizations, dehumanize those who are in the labeled group of "oppressors" in order to justify their dehumanization, target those who attempt to expose the lies of the group of self-proclaimed victims who are either knowingly or unknowingly promoting division fabricated by the establishment of global elites.
Most people do not understand how the global elites have been manipulating people and orchestrating social movements for decades, if not centuries.
@Mitthenstein That's actually racist for you to believe that if a black person isn't liberal then they must be self-hating and brainwashed. It seems like you don't think black people are capable of making up their own minds. Whatever happened to "believe people's lived experiences?" Are you saying you trust this "evidence" that was funded by liberal organizations over the experience of actual black people? Do you believe that only black liberal lives matter?
@Mitthenstein Most white liberals are in denial of their "intuitive prejudice" that Malcolm X so brilliantly called out decades ago. White liberals pose as the benefactor, the ally, the savior of the black community.. but if they don't tow the democrat party line.. they are self-hating and brainwashed. Why is it that black community has only deteriorated under democrat leadership? The most rundown and violent black neighborhoods are located in cities run by democrats for the last 50 years. You think black people are self-hating for realizing democrat policies have only harmed their communities, while democrats continue to exploit black issues for votes, but their policies only do more harm? Do you realize the black population would be double what it is today without Planned Parenthood intentionally targeting black neighborhoods? Do you realize it was democrats who wrote the crime bill that led to the incarceration of black fathers? Do you realize it was democrats who incentivized black women to kick black fathers out of the home in order to receive government assistance? And yet you sit on your "empirical evidence", listing zero sources.. and have the audacity to say black conservatives are racist and self-hating... while actually attempting to invalidate the experiences of black conservatives, and really just black people in general.
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I've watched many of the podcasts with Dr. Janice Fiamengo, and found them so revealing and on the spot. I have a 21 year old son, and he is really afraid of the hate he sees from women towards men. It has really affected his confidence and willingness to meet girls. We've talked about it very often, and he is a follower of Dr. Jordan Peterson; which has helped a lot. Still it breaks my heart. By the way, I have two daughters and the conversation has always been open for everybody in the family.
Thank you both for still working on this and keep bringing it to the front of conversations.
The best girls are hanging out in the good churches.
I cannot tell you thank you enough, Tammy. This video and the other one with Janice and the one with Louise have really softened my heart towards men. This is helping in my marriage to be able to be sympathetic to my husband's perspective. I feel as if the scales have fallen from my eyes. Its crazy how much Holy Spirit has been speaking to me through this topic. I had no idea how much my perspective had been shaped by feminism. I pray that my daughters can see the truth as well. I genuinely believe that the spirit of feminism is completely evil. Thank you for being bold and speaking out. I truly am grateful to you.
Edit: I finished writing this comment around the 1 hour 30 minute mark. About a minute after, Janice made a comment about "the scales falling off". Ha!
Thanks for your comment. That's very good news. All the best to you and your husband
Such a surprising but a much needed relief to hear to highly educated women talk about feminism in this manner. Well articulated and grounded arguments, truly a ray of sunshine in this current awful climate around the subject!
About married women needed their husband's permission to apply for a credit card. Newspapers once carried a lot of notices from men that "I will not be responsible for incurred by anyone other than myself." There was even a "They'll Do It Every Time" comic strip about this. Supposedly, it had no legal effect, but a judge might take it into account anyway.
The way Janice is describing feminism is exactly how I felt treated by a majority of women in my life. For some reason, being good-looking seems to be a great excuse to treat men even worse. This is because publicly treating men disrespectfully will gain a woman the approval of other women. The obvious inability to see the other side of the coin, is what they all had in common.
I was a feminist for a few years a long time ago..the sad thing is, they are not hearing the other side of the story. Men are not given a platform or the permission by the feminist mob that bullies society to voice their side in a very open or far-reaching way. But I started to wake up after I encountered men voicing the truth about men, women, and male-female dynamics online. It didn't take much to begin to wake me up to some basic obvious lies and unecessary vitriol of feminism. Now I'm an anti-feminist. Feminists bully us too. It's not women against men; it's good against evil. It's love against hate. Love wins, and we're on the winning side💖 Sorry you went thru this
@@janedoe3648 The damage is done. A change of mind in women now will only benefit the men of the future.
What are you saying? That women have no agency? That women are mindless creatures that cannot think for themselves? I think the blaming of feminism for the individual choices that women make for their lives. Just because not all women take the same path in life, or take different roles in life instead of, or in addition to marriage and motherhood does not mean that the sky will come falling down. I think here us something else that should be considered...that thing is called FREEDOM.
I’m sorry.
"This is because publicly treating men disrespectfully will gain a woman the approval of other women." Wrong. Stop creating and believing in false narratives about female social dynamics.
This! This! This! Love this! I know so many good men. I'm blessed to have many good men in my life. This episode touched me & I 100% agree!
Thoroughly enjoyed this conversation! I learned a lot, and look forward to continuing my study in the origins of feminism.
Not gunna lie:
I was reluctant to listen, given JBP was not present, but the issues that plague men is always worth a listen and i can say, the marxist idea of feminism is something that needs to be combated regularly.
So i watch and i am truly enamored by you both. With such presence, i was educated and i felt like yall care, for reals.
Thank you so much ladies!
Tammy, i will never doubt watching you again! Thank you ma’am for you absolute service🙏🏽
God bless you both.
The Peterson family must be the most brilliant family of are modern time. Well done Tammy for starting your own TH-cam channel. A great interview.
The number of women I hear at work, talking bad about their husbands .. and other women getting involved in it. And its normalized. And the man is shut down if he protests about it.
I'm tired of hearing this kind of talk too. I'm a woman and expected to agree with the water cooler men bashing. I always say something along the lines of, "Would you all like your husbands to share private things about you to a bunch of strangers?" They just stare, but it makes them stop talking in my presence.
Thank you for providing this perspective. It is both encouraging and healing.
I really am grateful for the presentation of the understanding of the responsibility of both the man and the woman in a marriage and family.
Thank you Tammy for talking about when you prayed to God and asked him to allow you to speak the best part of you. It is wonderful to see you here and hear you. Thank you 🙏
Thank you Tammy and Janice , for speaking truth !!! listening to both of you had me in awe and gratitude, I obviously support ALL HUMAN RIGHTS - LOVE AND APPRECIATE MY BOTHERS AND SISTERS , since university I have been pondering how on earth humanity would get on the true path off compassion ,who would be our brave , authentic and non resentful elders . I clashed with feminism as a woman who wanted to be a wife and have children & saw the need for men to be lifted up and heard , to be respected equally !! I've been labelled all kinds of things in my time but I had my lovely husband and my amazing children to keep me strong and free . Love and peace to all from the uk xxxxx
Thank you for your comment
Thank you for your courage and for speaking in truth. Thank you.
Man this was a great podcast Mrs. Peterson, when you brought up the necessity of service, that resonated.
I thought about this, I heard some bitter women on TikTok say "Im not settling Id rather be alone"
Which is fine, but i know that the terrifying storms of life will smash into us as we get older and there is just no way we can pretend to do it alone.
Somehow,deep down inside, always knew that real women are out there! I wish in my early life I had met an interesting and realistic lady as this !! Please spread this ,for the rest of men who are proud to care and work for the darling they love! A bloke!
Best wishes Richard. There are plenty of us still out there. I love and appreciate men. It's hard enough for men and women to understand each other as it is and relationships are fragile enough, w/out adding this men vs. women dynamic that is happening.
I have to say, this was quite refreshing and much needed. The greatest danger to any society is the willingness of the people to believe lies. This goes back to the french revolution and elsewhere, and it's always the case that those who believe the lies are those most filled with hate and a willingness to slaughter innocent people. That you see it today in women shouldn't be surprising because it plays on the natural tendencies of women, those traits written about in ancient mythologies. Even hitler wrote, "Young women are malleable as wax". It was something understood in educated circles - once you convince a young woman something is true, she will never give it up. She will fight tooth and nail to defend it, even if that means going on the offensive to stave off any imagined attacks. I often support the idea of this inherent trait in women by pointing to the fads women engage in for no other reason than its a fad and they want to appear cool, hip, trendy, etc. The 'brazillian wax" phenomenon is my favorite example because you have to marvel at how anyone would pour molten wax on their most sensitive bits just so they could then rip the hair out by the roots. Just typing that sentence makes me shudder! More curious, though, is that when you bring that up, the women instantly find a way to blame men. They claim they "have to do it because that's what guys like" even though no guy was ever asked, and they routinely refuse to do other things that men demand of them - like making a sandwich on command. They can't square the circle on that, but the worrisome part is that they don't even try to square the circle. To them, both things can be true - men forced them to do it, but they don't have to obey men unless they want, either way, it's always the man's fault.
As you can imagine, that's a horribly destructive mindset and it's no wonder that it has completely destroyed Western Civilization over the last century.
What feminism has always relied on is ignorance and the willingness to believe lies. The women who led the charge knew full well that things weren't nearly as bad as they were claiming. In fact, they knew that women often had things far better than anyone else in society. But those same leaders wanted power and prestige and were willing to do anything necessary to get it. They were sociopaths and psychopaths. Unfortunately, those who fought against them didn't realize just how willing to fight they were, or how dangerous the situation was.
To give you a good example of how the lies can be easily disproven, simply look up the history of Goade Stone and ask yourself how such a thing could be possible in a world where women were supposedly second-class citizens. How, in the late 1700's, could Ms. Goade not only have a business, but have one of the largest and most successful businesses in all of England, her work still on display at some of the grandest landmarks of the nation, if what feminists would have you believe held even a single jot of truth?
If that wasn't enough, consider the story of Mdm.CJWalker. She died in 1919, if I recall correctly, and should have been a pauper. Not only was she female, but she was black. How is it, then, that she rose up to become one of the nation's first millionaires long before women even had the right to vote? If the feminists were telling even an ounce of truth, the story of CJWalker should be impossible.
What the evil people rely on is your ignorance. They present you with lies and half-truths, tug on your heart strings, and you fall for it every single time because you won't get off your duff and do your own research. It's one thing for them to try destroying the nation, but quite another for you to go along with that destruction because you're too lazy to think for yourself and do a bit of research. That's the real sadness here, I think.
So thank you for a wonderful video. I appreciate what you're doing here, and hope that your channel grows by leaps and bounds because we truly do need voices like yours in these trying times.
I resonated deeply with this. I love to read primary sources from the 19th century, and though there is ignorance about women's biology and caution about more women in the public sphere, the general attitude is that of respect and honor toward women, particularly their moral power and good influence as mothers. There's a lot less woman hating than people seem to think there is.
There's plenty of women hating out there. The only women they don't hate are submissive obedient right wing tradcon women.
Jane Austen, i recall, was appalled at the condition of her brothers' wives. Exhausted, and in one case, killed, by constant pregnancy, weaning and motherhood, she considered that her sister on laws were treated like "cattle". When they died the brothers rapidly remarried.!!
So your biggest argument is "it wasn't THAT bad"? How nice. Men at that time literally debated whether women were human at all and not just animals... That's bit more serious than "a little bit of ignorance"...
@AngelDeed no, they didn't
I’ve had three recent wake up calls.
The first one was when feminist said I couldn’t have chivalry and equality at the same time. And I kind of wanted the chivalry.
The second was when I was reading old etiquette books from the 19 the century and realised there were no misogyny in them. Quite the contrary. The respect they gave women was envious.
The third was when I was writing a term paper about femininity and stumbled across Louise Perry.
It changed my whole term paper, I’ll tell you that much!
Interesting discussion. I'm curious though I have read research on single women without children in America and statistics show they live longer, are wealthier, have better health outcomes, and report a greater sense of happiness than women who are married with children. Which might suggest that women have benefited from the ideas of the feminist movement.
Imagine that a Peterson family member could be wrong about something! What a world!
I think that the feminist movement has helped alot with women's position is society. Whereas before the may have had to endure a nasty man it has given them a choice to live an independent life. I do also think through that it really is in the females psyche to have children and it would be a mental battle or something else to supplement that feeling (dogs/cats). Just like with anyone man or woman it's all about what you want from life and what you're willing to accept. If you accept that you don't want kids and are fine single then you will be happy. Society has now come to a point where it may not be economically viable for children etc. What I do see now though is that feminism has ironically made women more masculine and so has somehow doused that thing that attracts us ro each other. You can see that relationships are failing and marriage is now a thing where its rites and vows mean nothing. No strong family structure, no strong society. If all women were happy having no children then there wouldn't be anyone for a society. That's the real power that women have.
@Mitthenstein Yes women can be picky now but choice can actually be a hindrance. Especially if women leave it late on in trying to find a potential partner. There's a reason marriage is basically in every culture on earth because it is a binding order for the chaos. We're going to see alot of scattered families and single parents and I'm pretty sure that's not good for the future people growing up in societies. In the future I see that the dynamic occurring will drop many peoples genetics out of the world. Many men won't get a partner and many women are choosing not to carry on their own genes. Therfore what you may see is either men sorta giving up or some men really making themselves the top dog. The women who are generally more motherly would be the only ones to pass their genes on maybe creating a new generation of women who are for it I dunno just thought loops. I just have this idea of saying to the world I don't want to carry on my lineage is pretty depressing but I get that it's their decision.
@Mitthenstein Where are these studies then? People don't have essences..what does that even mean?
What we're possibly seeing is a return to polgyny because of what's happening. It evolved for a reason because those societies didn't function. The swades of young men who were sexless fought in wars or had monasteries or were slaves. Their is no system for them now. Its part of maturing and having healthy psychology is to be first accepted by the Mother then the father then another mate. As I said that if you'd accept it then you could be happier and didn't say that wasn't possible. But those people are in the minority and even then they'd be filling up that space with dog children or friends or something right showing that there is an attachment to something. Breaking down the marriage and motherhood is a terrible idea in my opinion and both genders will miss out. Okay the top guys will get many partners but will just get bored of it and then the women will fight over the few men they want to be with and then be dissatisfied with the rest. Where most women will then be bitter. A minority may find the whole thing a nuisance and be happier but when your all old and alone with no one to take care of you and there's nobody to hug you and love you as unconditional love provides . You think that person can really say ... 'I've got everything I need , I'm happy .' Or are they being dishonest?
Thank you Tammy for upholding your promise to God! We are all benefiting from you talking to others!!!
I’m a few weeks late, however this was very refreshing and I loved the dialogue. Learned so much I hadn’t known before. Thankyou for sharing.
Fiamingo is a voice of reason.
I hear you Tammy. And it was good for me to listen to Janice. Thank you. I am a well seasoned woman that has experienced the men that are gentle and the men that are violent and angry. I learned how to gather my babies in my arms and walk away and start the new life. I learned that there are men out there that want to be husbands and they want to be fathers. I have witness ed men struggle with no community support no role models to glean wisdom from. I credit my faith in God that showed me how to trust. Learned to be responsible for my response in the relationship.
Tammy exemplifies the beauty of a Godly woman! ❤
Thank you for this insightful talk. Love one another always, love men and women.
We're so fortunate to have Janice Fiamengo.
I grew up loving my father. Later found Jesus and God the Father and loved them both. So I never got caught up in the man-hating feminism so prevalent in college back in the 2000s. I love my husband, I love my son. I hope to make a better situation for them both.
Same here!
Thank you both for a very interesting conversation, and a long overdue re-evaluation of feminist shibboleths
The Peterson podcast multiverse is complete
It is so good to hear a woman of academic standing say these things. As a young woman that cane out of social sciences in a liberal arts college, I really felt completely alone with my “controversial” opinions.
You should go into the Sciences or tech towards something tangible.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 oh believe me I regret not doing so…
Great discussion. I think a helpful addition to this worthwhile topic would be exploring some of the pathological dynamics through the lens of transactional analysis (victim, perpetrator, rescuer triad) and narcissism / psychopathy…
Janice is excellent - one of my all-time favourite podcasts; I have followed her for years. I am so excited about this interview!!!
Narcissism is primal and universal. Female narcissism is more persistent due to the special elevated status of women (denied by feminists) in connection with childbirth. Watch and you will see female narcissism as different than male narcissism (plenty of that).
Getting towards the end, I’ve appreciated Janice’s work for a few years. Peterson shows good insight. Nicely done. Thanks for your time.
I am currently in the latter parts of the original 'Fiamengo Files' and it is a literal treasure trove. And it has aged really well. You have to dig a bit in your memory to recall her, at the time, contemporary examples. They are 9-15 minute topical videos, organized as a playlist, which is really convenient for 'hands free' listening.
I especially like how she holds no punches in her (not surprised to learn she was an English professor) soft spoken and eloquent talks, which while clearly scripted, do not come off as such.
As an aside, I also like how she gives no caveats, apologies or admissions but simply lays out her well researched and argued position. In one video, she lays out some areas where men are more capable (mostly physically) without feeling the need to mention areas where women are better, which feels refreshing and leads to a more coherent argument.
A refreshing drink, that was. Thank you both. I hope we all do have the courage and coolness to restore sacred balance.
And yes, modern TV; I can’t even watch most things-always portraying men as bumbling boobs left right and centre. I really feel for kids these daze…
There have been two books released this year which have also explored the ethology and destructive impact of feminism on western culture and families. Timothy Gordon (A Case for Patriarchy/Rules for retrogrades) and Stephanie Gordon (Ask Your Husband).
Tammy, I was fortunate enough to see you and your husband speak recently in Victoria, BC at the Save-On-Foods Memorial arena. I was struck by your tact, intelligence, and vulnerable sharing in front of so many, and thank you for your inspiration and example. It was so clear the MUTUAL respect between you and Jordan, and I thank God for your example in a world seemingly gone nutty. God bless your family.
wow. mind-blowing and totally new for me. thanks you both
... essential discussion for anyone considering themselves civilized in modern society ... thank you very much!...
Leaning to the extreme tradcon right is regressing, the opposite to becoming civilzed
I love Janice
I feel the same relief as when I first encountered Jordan. You are two wonderful ladies. Keep going. Thank God for you both. So many excellent points.
Thank you both. Two brave and honest women. Thank you for the hope you offer. ❤