Janice Fiamengo on the Dark History of Feminism
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In this episode, Tammy welcomes guest, Janice Fiamengo to discuss issues in regards to feminism. Specifically, they cover the broad history of the feminist movement, the key influencers and events, and the general attitude of resentment against men.
Janice Fiamengo is a retired Professor of English from the University of Ottawa. She began The Fiamengo File series of TH-cam videos in 2015 to discuss the fraud of academic feminism and its devastating social effects. Her book *Sons of Feminism: Men Have Their Say*
was published in 2018, containing stories from men who have suffered in our feminist culture. She is now working on a new video series to uncover the anti-male bigotry and female supremacism at the origins of feminism in the 18th and 19th centuries.
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I had listened to this Video three times and came to understand my entire life as a boy and now as man...that starting with my mother I had been the object of misunderstandings, neglect, unaffectionate, boarding private schools and summer camps from a very early age . Later in Church young adult groups, the women and other men...who demeaned shamed and criticized me, when all I deeply wanted a wife, a friend, a companion, a sister to love, as I so wanted to Love Mother. I don't feel such a personal hardship, but I am part of some whole social movement in society. I got an Ah..Ha moment to understand myself and position in life. THANK YOU
I had a similar experience in school in the UK during the 1980's. It's only now that I'm able to see being male in a positive light.
I am a woman. In my life I have seen woman be the most cruel to other woman.
Thank you for your comment. Woman have had much practice protecting their young. It’s too bad women feel it’s necessary to use this same defensive aggression in the social world
The worst bullying I experienced was in a majority female workplace …..
@@sunflowerlemon87nah I’m a dude and won’t ever work for a woman again. Hormonal imbalance and power is a dangerous combination
@@unc1221 nah, you're just a misogynist who's watched too much Peterson content.
@@unc1221 this is coming from a male who would sacrifice everything to protect his own ego. LOL
Yes the anger, the malevolence is there of course, but it is only instrumental. Beneath the anger, motivating it, is envy.
man, FINALLY this is being talked about!
Yes.....look up Karen Straughn- Girl writes what....!
Its amazing how any critique on feminism is supressed by the platforms and search engines. When I search for it, I get flooded with pro-feminism content, though I clearly search for critical or historically correct content. I hope conversations like this gain more popularity in the future. Considering the rise of woke insanity, I assume many people would like to hear this.
I share your hopes.
@@etsequentia6765 go listen to Tommy Curry as well
"Its amazing how any critique on feminism is supressed by the platforms and search engines. When I search for it, I get flooded with pro-feminism content"
bro same, as someone who like to look and learn more of the other side of the coin, bias search engines results "that only showed the popular narratives, regrandless if it was about Feminism or not" has always bothered me.
"Considering the rise of woke insanity" am sorry to say this but woke insanity is nothing new, the video your commenting on now is proof of this.
You have it a lot easier than me being an English speaking person. There are ZERO anti feminist results if you search in Spanish. I want to cry. I want to show this info to everyone in my church but the vast majority don't know a word of english and the few that do don't care about issues like this because "it's conspiracy theory". Please, to every believer that sees this message, pray for me and my church.
criticisms against feminism have always been available to the masses. LOL
Go Janice. I used to think I was a feminist too - in the sense of believing women have equal worth and dignity to men. I still believe that. But the feminist movement is dripping with misandry. All credit to Janice for pointing out that it has always been like this. Nowadays I acknowledge that I'm not a feminist. I love men!
Author of Give Us The Young, Erica Carle brings us here
There's a book by Alice Von Hildebrand titled: The Privilege of Being a Woman that's worth reading as an antidote to feminism. It's very short, but it packs a punch.
Got it. Thanks for your comment
there are privileges of being women, but they sure do not outweigh the negatives of being a woman. LOL
Thanks for the book reference. I hadn't heard of this one.
"Educated by who?" is the question
This woman speaks sense my eyes have been opened 😊❤🎉
Thank you so much for this video, I truly loved it. Ever since I was a little girl, I always knew I wanted to be a wife. To me that's one of the most beautiful blessings that God has given me. Sadly I've been told by many women in school and in the work place that there's more to life than getting married and you don't need a man. I just feel sorry for those women, because I know deep down inside they yearn for that fulfillment of being with a life long mate.
Being in a mutually beneficial relationship has been wonderful for me. Marriage has not been a trap but instead frees me to be powerful while my spouse stands behind me with encouragement. My divorced and perpetually single friends are not as free as I am to pursue passions. I don't need a babysitter. When I'm sick, someone takes care of
me. For better or for worse, I am not alone and neither is he.
Edit: My use of the word marriage is less about legal documents from a courthouse and more about the joining of two lives as one, which would include people living together, raising children, working towards a future together.
@@laurahano2587 Yes! You are such a blessed woman.
Don't be stupid. Get a career.
A small observation in my life. I have a phd in Chemistry. I started my career in industry prior to moving into academia. During my time as an environmental consultant I worked predominantly with men I have nothing but good things to say about all my coworkers. I felt respected and equal in all ways The exact opposite was true in academia. The atmosphere was absolutely toxic. I have since retired. Ironically it was not until I saw how Jordan Peterson was treated when he simply stood against compelled speech did I, a lowly associate professor without near his credentials, realize I did not have a chance. In an odd way that realization gave me a sense of peace and closure that I had never been able to attain.
Janice I watch mens channels, many man in the audience want a settled married life, family or partnership with a woman. This is despite all of the problems and down side of marriage for the modern man.
of course they do because they want a house slave to do their bidding. LOL
Man I really appreciate this video so much. Thank you very much for this discussion. As a man I yearn for what has been taken from us as men and woman
Thank you for your work!
Great video!
Women Free; really comes down to Being Free from the Prison of Their Own Minds.
The biggest issue with modern society today is that women are taught to externalize and blame other people for their internal innate emotions
One potential problem with emphasizing education with women is that however much education they have becomes the minimum that a man must have to marry them. This then turns into an inevitable situation where either the majority if men are educated significantly more than women are (so that most men are attractive to most women) or as is the case in our society many women having more education than men and therefore feeling a lack of attraction to most men. A possible solution that doesn't involve inhibiting women's education is to take away the general status of bachelor's degrees, masters, etc. For example, many women as long as they have a bachelor's degree, even if it is in something that makes them little to no money, still think of themselves as socially better than a man who is say a successful tradesman without a degree. If we take away the expectation that a college grad inherently is smarter and more "educated" than someone who isn't, so that people can be judged by their intelligence based on arguments and opinions, that could do a lot to satisfy women's hypergamy while still allowing both men and women to be educated.
Most women are never happy regardless of what is done.
@@BruceJohnston-cl7ho The Mosuo in China raise children more communally, as in the father of the child is rarely a part of the child's life, and the main male influences on the child come from the brothers of the child's mother. However, this results in a community that is nowhere near as productive as patriarchies because men do not have as much incentive to accomplish things when they can only be uncles, never fathers or husbands. It's not as if we don't see this effect in western society today where many men don't see any point in getting married or having children and therefore just get by in life, getting a low paying job that will mainly fund their housing, food, and computer games. Hypergamy would still be present in a communal approach, as you said, which means women would still want to choose the best of the best genes, resulting in the alienation of around 80% of men. All of these things are not good for society. If you look at the old school patriarchal systems wherein no one could get divorced, this usually gave wives and children the most similar status to their husbands. The wife of a king and their children received status because of being an inherent part of him, the children particularly receiving status for being future inheritors of the kingdom. In comparison, the ex-wife and children of say Jeff Bezos may not have as much status because our culture no longer views inheritance as admirable as self-made money.
@@BruceJohnston-cl7ho I looked up Jamaica's single mother statistics, which are almost 50% of children living with only their mothers and 80% of births occuring out of wedlock, so I can understand why you think of this as an example of a more matriarchal culture. Do you find that family life is better than in cultures that have more of an expectation of father involvement? Are people there, especially children, more well-rounded and stable? Jamaica made it into the list of countries with the highest crime rates, which is associated with fatherlessness. Is Roman architecture not beautiful, or the Notre Dame cathedral? Surely you can agree that they were made in patriarchies focused on innovation. I can certainly agree that no society is perfect, but to believe that children and society in general benefits more from taking away half of children's parents makes as much sense as taking away their mothers as well. Proposing that children's should be raised without mothers sounds ludicrous to most people, yet they think it would be acceptable to do that with fathers.
I do understand the struggle of many women in trying to find an ideal man. As a woman myself, I remember before I met my husband how conflicted I felt about choosing the right guy because I wanted two opposite things. I wanted a masculine man (not necessarily a gym bro or sports guy, but generally having a masculine demeanor) as well as a man who could be a devoted, loving father. Of course the two can certainly be united, but it's a bit easier to find a guy who is more soft, sweet, kind, gentle (good father figure and husband material) or a guy that is masculine (stoic, tough, strong, resilient, dangerous, non-people pleasing). Even though I knew that I should find the good father figure guys attractive, even though my brain told me "get with that guy!" it also felt like that guy, the kind that would coo at babies, was shriveling up my ovaries. Many women, and I've particularly seen this in their romance novels that they write which I think are pretty accurate for displaying their fantasies, want the ideal combination of masculine d good father traits, but particularly that they could take the completely masculine man and bring out in him the perfect husband and father traits, i.e. only she was special enough to bring it out in him. What this particularly means is that women will go after the guy that they know isn't good father and husband material, either marry or have kids with him, only to find out that he didn't turn into the perfect husband and father that she expected him to become. It might have been easier in a culture where you have to pick the guys that will be willing to marry you, rather than the option of just sleeping around. That might give women a better perspective. I can't say at all that the majority of men I knew, especially guys that were interested in me, weren't great father and husband material, the majority of men I've known were nice, kind, sweet, caring. I've seen a lot of women ignoring these guys for the bad ones and that contributes greatly to fatherlessness and undependable fathers and husbands.
You’re a very good writer, and thinker. Well said.❤️
@@brennancarter7721 Thank you
U should write a book Tammy , autobiography .
I agree with a lot of your points but it is very important for a woman with children to have a backup plan. To at least work part time or have ways of earning income because if the husband dies or leaves the family. Wich happens often enough. She needs to be able to take care of her family on her own and not become homeless and have her children taken from her. Also on another note same for the man if she leaves him or dies it is better for him to be familiar with cooking and house chores . At the end of day families need to do what is best for them but make sure to protect themselves and plan for the worse case scenario when marrying.
"happens often enough?" The overwhelming majority of divorces are filed by women.
Janice is admirable.
Honestly, this is like watching a german denouncing the third reich during the worst times.
Isn't that a bit much?
@@BobJenkins-ez1jl
The feminist movement policies like "the war on drugs" have literaly killed millions and nobody realizes that américas favorite hate movement are behind them.
It's the other way around. While the Nazis were much more damaging in the begginong, nobody forgot what they did SO they could do it again.
The feminist movement criminalizes half of the continent (the male one) and starts an unwinable war which results in the formation of the cartels, and then blamed it all on the men they criminalized in the first place.
Honestly; i don't know why a violent revolution against this hasnt started.
This is the most intellectually dishonest discussion of Wollstonecraft I've seen in a while.
@@sunflowerlemon87
may it be because it cuts thru all her bullshit self-victimizing rethoric?
@@Psity No, that's not what intellectual dishonesty is. You can disagree with Wollstonecraft, but you don't have to completely misrepresent her.
Wollstonecraft came from a violent alcoholic family. This women was hurt and bitter towards men.
Jane Austen (1775 - 1817), in her novels, makes reference to the fact that women are always financially dependent on men and have no resources of their own. She herself, together with her mother and sister were left with practically nothing and had to rely on the ‘generosity’ of one of her brothers to eventually house them - he appears to have taken his time in this regard and even when he did act, he rented them a relatively small space. She denigrates bad, immoral men in her novels and yet there is forgiveness, too and understanding. She always uplifts good men (and applies the same treatment to her female characters, too, but her heroines are no easy push over whether good or bad). She had a truly balanced view. Had she not contributed to this discussion, back in the day, and others since, women would still not be able to have financial independence (even after the babies are grown!) today. There is a danger, here, that some women swing to the other extreme and claim that all men are badly treated by women., beaten up by the female on a regular basis, etc. Er….I don’t think so. This type of thinking can break down into women almost idolising men and claiming that they, themselves, do not suffer injustices by men. NOT TRUE. They do suffer injustice and often, coercion and the threat of violence is never too far away with most men. Injustices should be called out on both sides. Unfortunately, many men are incapable of empathy, or lasting, caring behaviour towards women and many find it difficult to know how to be even socially decent and communicate civilly. Their lack of maturity and responsibility in many cases is quite astounding. Few men put women first in an unselfish and giving way. Many men, even the ‘mild’ ones ‘gloat’ over their perceived material power over women. This is, and was, the reality of life. Girls and women, until fairly recently (and in some cultures, still to this day) are not permitted to be educated. This was, and is, shameful. (I dare say men were fearful that if women became too educated women would stop providing the ‘scaffolding’, to men’s egos which men so desperately need but will never admit to needing. Let’s not get carried away here. Whilst many men have suffered in relationships and many women have been heartless, too, there remains a brutal and often violent streak in men, against women. Let men take the lead in improving themselves here since they are supposed to lead in the first place. Men have done wonders in many material spheres but they, themselves have also destroyed those wonders. Let’s not pretend they are guilt-free and women, again, are entirely to blame - that would be very foolish, and it is the same perverse thinking that plays straight into the hands of men - just as the very foolish women of the sixties generation, advocating women’s liberation but not realising they were doing the opposite in most cases, played right into the hands of men and gave them all that they wanted (and we all know what that was, and is). Let women not unthinkingly ‘worship’ their men either, or little girls taught, or be expected to do so.
"Men have done wonders material wise and also destroyed"
It's almost as if people in any group aren't a hive mind.. and no, it's not just material wise.. there's so much literature written by men too
the roles that have exist for thousands of years, WORKED, and they worked well. now those roles are destroyed and it makes it difficult to relate to one another. we men are a shadow of what our Founding Generation were. and the women as well.
Thank you Janice.
*"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."*
😊
Thank you JANICE.
Feminist crave POWER above
All else.
For women, POWER is the ultimate aphrodisiac.
Also the root of all evil besides money.
What do men crave above all else? I thought that craving power was a human problem. Are you saying that it's a woman problem?
@@snowmonster42 No, it’s a double standard problem to me. When women crave for power, you think it’s awe inspiring and such a great thing for the world. But when men crave for power, you think it’s immoral and corrupt and such a horrible thing for the world. So to you feminist women, power is only good when it’s in the hands of women even when you women use power for evil and immoral purposes. Great hypocrisy!
Thanks you Tammy you are such a a beautiful woman ❤️
An enjoyable discussion. Looking forward to lots more!
Over the past decade or so, I've come across a bit of literature here and there discussing Middle Eastern options, in which an interesting analysis raises the issue of women's role in society.
And what intrigues me is the idea that in any given society, the more well-educated women are, the more involved in social, political and economic roles they are, the better that society can do, on all fronts.
(Yet there are lots of objections from every quarter on this very notion, in the wealthy west!)
Of course, in the Middle East, this theory often runs up against patriarchal and especially religious tenets that deny these particular potential outcomes, or fear them for whatever reasons.
One thing that stands out for me from all this investigation is a powerful thing: that in many of these societies (in the Middle East) the concepts of education and freedom are equal in value and meaning. Compared to much of the "free" west, these concepts are powerful motivators, and have contributed to many of the stories I've come across, of feats of incredible bravery and determination in women, and girls, to accomplish a gathering of knowledge in spite of the threats and dangers to them.
Comparing all this to the reality of western feminist history, I must admit that I have come to feel like I'm comparing two radically different realities. On the one hand, a reality that embraces a fight for a particular freedom to exist outside what historically appears to be real and serious oppression. And on the other hand, a long evolution directly connected with a concerted pampering, coddling, catering and growth of an ideology that has completely divorced itself from the world of men. And yet still "appropriates" culturally, socially, economically and politically, forms of useful oppression claimed for the purpose of utilizing every institution possible (that long march borrowed from Mao) and in so doing, capture a stranglehold on society (think, Trudeau) in which its feminization has done measurable harm that refuses to be addressed. I cannot overlook this history of denouncing the male side of society, while enjoying the fruits of all the labours, the performing of all the dirty jobs, the dangerous jobs, the ingenuity and innovations, the raising of standards of living, the wealth opportunities provided, and a very long list of other positive resources used rapaciously and lovingly by women. With very little thanks. Which suggests a rather curious form of adolescent refusal to grow up. Which is often the case. Which has become of course, a growing and unavoidable issue in these times.
I guess where I jump off, on either side, is any sort of radical belief that either side can do well and prosper without the other. Both sides, about everywhere you go, rock back and forth between about 49 and 51 percent of the total, except in certain extreme cases (China's one child policy) so it's a very large chunk, a half of all humans, that are dismissed.
I don't think it works without a balance of everything between the two. A radical notion it seems, these days.
There are just too many people to toss on the junk pile. Or too much oppression that reduces one side or the other to something far less than their opportunities to achieve usefulness on a full scale. Radical feminism detaching women from men in all ways conducive to mutual benefit and understanding, is the flip side of the MGTOW coin, to me. I might lean a tiny bit on the side of the latter, but in my gut I feel this isn't in any real societal way, a legitimate solution to the problem. Especially if it carries on for a lifetime. Too many valuable experiences in life missed. Learning the self-sacrifice of devotion to beloved children, for one thing. Parenthood is an experience in life that very few other accomplishments can match, in my book. That value - in spite of the very real dangers connected to it concerning legal rights and privileges, the biases of the courts, the legislation used to abuse, and all the rest of it. But I won't belabor this point further, at this time.
That is a radical notion to me: the idea that feminism's roots (1792!) started with certain departures and fixations that have evolved throughout a period of over 200 years. That's a long time. I might have, like many, thought only the past forty years or so, have turned something sour that had started off as a good benefit for humankind.
Perhaps I'll just leave it at this, for now. My comfort zone rattles around somewhere in the middle. A place where I feel I can still find many good opportunities to converse, compare notes, kick the beast around a little, and tenaciously explore the dark edges without giving into them. Stubborn, I guess.
Have you read Red Feminism ?
Yes, there has always been male bashing and utopian ideals in feminism. There was also a strain of racism in the 1800s as well. If it were only about equal rights and shared responsibilities, it would have been a different matter.
We will never be equal and preventing European Erasure and displacement in Europe's indigenous homelands is never evil or "racist". This is simply another antiwhite talking point made to shame white women for their race in an attempt to attack the feminist movement that is already partaking in the antiwhitism in particular against men.
Mary Wollstonecraft’s ideas about the need for women to be educated and pursuing passions outside of the home in order to be better mothers, was a groundbreaking idea in her time. Tammy, you rightly pointed out that this is known to be true through current research. But Janice, to criticise Wollstonecraft because she didn’t consider the tension this would cause is an unfair criticism of Wollstonecraft compared to the strength of her ideas and what she had observed about women in her time. Also, Wollstonecraft died in her 30s while giving birth to her second child. Perhaps if she did live longer and experienced for herself the difficulties in being a mother and working outside of the home, she might have expanded on her ideas and addressed this “tension”. We will never know. But she was a wife to the philosopher William Godwin and by all accounts enjoyed being married and did not spend time bashing men even though she had unsuccessful relationships prior to her marriage. Her focus seemed to be on the value of equal educational opportunities for women to bring out their best and to be better able to contribute in the home and outside.
I wanted 61 years to finally hear this.
Women are much more moral in the home (in God's order)! Than in a career (outside of God's order)!!
Excellent thumbnail.
OUTSTANDING!!
if the education is top notch, it doesnt need to last past 12 years of age.... if its just babysitting , well then it needs to last till 22 lmfao
Fiamengo was good, but something about this was not effectively proficient obviously. Meritocracy and the market indeed, JP.
the trans teen trend acse
Listen to the debate
Should universities be intellectual safe spaces
@@londonbowcat1 Not if it prevents honest debate and disagreement.
@@londonbowcat1 No!
Lol this is already hilarious by :15
My 2 cents:
We should afford anyone the opportunity to achieve, but we cannot give special privileges to any person or group of people on anything else than merit. If you produce more, you will be paid more, and you will be given greater responsibility. Any other system will be the downfall of any society. The workplace is tough, business is tough, trade is tough, life is tough. But is equally tough to be a good wife, mother, husband, father.
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Epilogue: The Wife of Noble Character
10 [b]A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
11 Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.
12 She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
13 She selects wool and flax
and works with eager hands.
14 She is like the merchant ships,
bringing her food from afar.
15 She gets up while it is still night;
she provides food for her family
and portions for her female servants.
16 She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.
17 She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks.
18 She sees that her trading is profitable,
and her lamp does not go out at night.
19 In her hand she holds the distaff
and grasps the spindle with her fingers.
20 She opens her arms to the poor
and extends her hands to the needy.
21 When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
for all of them are clothed in scarlet.
22 She makes coverings for her bed;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.
23 Her husband is respected at the city gate,
where he takes his seat among the elders of the land.
24 She makes linen garments and sells them,
and supplies the merchants with sashes.
25 She is clothed with strength and dignity;
she can laugh at the days to come.
26 She speaks with wisdom,
and faithful instruction is on her tongue.
27 She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
29 “Many women do noble things,
but you surpass them all.”
30 Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.
31 Honor her for all that her hands have done,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.