They're putting words in Marsch's mouth. He never said that five minutes made a difference in the outcome, just that they should be fined. It was more about wishing that he had an extra few minutes since I'm sure in that situation he'd want as much as he could get. That talk about the Argentine adjustment sounded more like he was making fun of them for being late. Like, why would they even need the extra time to make such a small adjustment.
Bingo. Kind of the name of the game with these talking head shows, though. It's weird that instead of showing highlights and analyzing game footage, so much of sports content is just a bunch of people missing the point on purpose.
Yes he did. Marsch said if they could have more time to prepare which means it totally made a difference Marsch is being a bitch. Doesn't want to accept that he lost and is trying to divert attention from it.
I don't have a problem with what he said - I appreciate Argentina, love Messi and all that - but they were fucking around and they were disrespectful to the game by coming out late. All of the South American teams play this way. The sport needs to treat everyone the same - I won't go into each cultures bullshit - but they all approach the game differently and the officials put up with it. All teams need to respect the rules.
These guys miss the point. It's a sign of disrespect to do this and if they're fine with it because 'Oh it's Messi and the Argies so everything is ok' then it's just another example of the two tier system of how people get treated differently because of who they are. If it had been Canada coming out late the lamenting would have put Trojan women to shame. I also think it's tied in with how pissed off they are at Marsch for taking the Canada job.
Nah, the point is "I'm mad butthurt cuz I lost and Imma start rambling and later say it was a joke". Ofc they should be on time, but saying that they lost cuz of that or that canada would've performed better with extra 5 minutes was painful to watch.
It's not a "get lost." Why should one set of rules apply to one team and not the other? That's not fair. Marsch never said that if he had extra time, he would've been able to cook up a plan that would've beaten Argentina. This is about making sure everyone is held to the same standard.
And now they got fined for not being on time. 😂 Marsh simply said everyone should show up to work on time. My guys did and their guys didn’t, where’s the penalty for it?
Back when Marsch was coaching the New York Red Bulls, he was the king of post conference excuses. I couldn’t stand listening to him. He was easily my most disliked coach. All coaches do this, and it drives me insane, but Marsch’s comments have always been extra ridiculous. Mike Petke was fired simply to give Marsch the job, he then went on to accomplish the exact same feats that Petke did but was considered a success. Petke is certainly too strong of a personality, but his post game rants were usually correct, even if Petke’s choice of words were poor. Marsch just says crap, it often doesn’t make any sense. Yes he had success in Europe, but on stacked Red Bulls teams that would have one with or without him. I think Marsch still needs to prove himself in the coaching world and stop saying anything and everything to take the attention away from his performance.
In premier league he was too, hes the biggest hypocrite and crybaby ive seen in years in football (and tbstd says a lot) while painting himself and his team of butchers like saints
It’s not a get lost. It’s the fact that there are certain teams that get more leeway. Argentina, Brasil, England, Germany vs a Jamaica, Canada, Guatemala etc, yeah. Watch Jamaica make Argentina wait 20 min on the field see what kind of press that gets. Look at the US a few years ago talk about the field in Trinidad, everyone ridiculed them. Now Argentina makes statements about the field and you got Ale over there saying the copa America should have never been played in the states! That’s the point Jessie was trying to make. Like someone said…rules are rules.
it wasn´t 20 min. 15 reglamentary which Canada had too and then it was almost five more, and they were in the fking 1000miles tunnel. They weren´t doing technical analisis. Is just crying.
this is what coaches do in all sports. he lost and hes not gonna bag his players so he finds something else to tell the media, and at the same time tries to unite his players with us vs the world kinda stuff.
Rules are rules. Didn't pep fine messi for coming late to training. The coach isn't crying because he lost. What's the point in having regulations if you let people side step them. Late is a fine. Even if it's $10k. He's not asking for the game to be replayed or a penalty. But a fine.
For me it has always been Marsch. He drove me up the wall when he coached on MLS. Every game they lost he said some of the most moronic things… things all coaches do, but it was like listening to an American version of Jose Morinho, but not nearly as entertaining.
Stop whining. This Canadian team is very violent, and Marsch himself encourages them to be violent. 14 yellow cards are not for nothing, and Canada benefited from two expulsions in their rival teams.
I love how arrogant and condescending this panel is! I think Jesse was merely pointing out that Argentina was definitely lollygagging their way on the field. But I guess this panel sees nothing wrong with it!
People in the comments defending Jesse Marsch make me laugh. Y'all know if GGG did the same thing. Y'all be shitting on him for trying to divert attention from the result of the game.
Everyone does, if you’re crying about 5 mins then you’re a whiny crybaby. Also crying because the media talks about messi 😂. Shock the biggest stars get talked about more. Go away weakling
Dear ESPN, marsch & Klinsmann was part of the panel back then asking for opinion from them as managers but honestly lately they been more talk than action, the results show. Same goes to Carra/Neville, get someone better please.
Argentina are never precise in opening games for some reason, any other night with the chances they had thia game ended by a 5 or 6 goal margin. Stop crying
HOCKEY HOCKEY HOCKEY where REAL men play game after game with actual BROKEN BONES !!!!!!!! NOT roll around like children after being touched by a round soft ball ...... WOKEST game on the planet !!!!!
I advise everyone in the comment section to look up “manufactured consent” by Noam Chomsky, this is a prime example of it in a corporate setting in which a corporation (espn) is obligated to protect the bottom line and their cash cow and not allow even a hint of impropriety taint their tourney. Argentine does this bullshit gamesmanship ALL THE TIME.
I'm hearing alot of canadians complaining about this.Like bruh,those extra mins wouldn't of help them beat a well organized and tactical Argentina team.These canadians are delulu.
OK so why not take an extra 45 min? Maybe have a massage and a HJ while you're at it? This so classic Latino immaturity. Even the World Champions can't resist cheating. What an embarrassment... Unfortunately, Latin American understands no shame. Wait until the referees start placing their thumbs on the scale.
You can't know that the extra minutes did not help Argentina win. Argentina were not winning at halftime, so clearly what they did during the break was important. If they had less time, it's very possible that the game ends in a tie as well.
Argentina evidently isn’t well organized otherwise they would have been on time. Nobody is arguing gaining an extra 5 minutes to strategize would have changed the outcome (who knows, maybe it would change the path of the game). The point is there are rules. Argentina didn’t follow the rules and the referees let them get away with it. Rules are in place for a reason. If there are no consequences for Argentina then every team knows they can stay in the dressing room for an extra 5 minutes. Hey, let’s make it 6 or 7 minutes…maybe 10. Where’s the line if there are no consequences for breaking the rules? This is on the referees for not properly managing the situation. This is not on Marsch, Canada or Argentina.
@@mccullochmike Agreed, but it is also on FIFA to not enforce more serious consequences. After 5 minute grace, hand out a red card to the captain. Only then will you see this rule not being abused.
That’s a straw man’s argument. Nobody is arguing that Argentina, the #1 team in the world, isn’t a stronger team or is “levels above Canada”. The discussion is around the referees not managing the game. There are rules in place and Argentina was allowed to bend/break them. If Argentina is so good, they shouldn’t be breaking the rules for an advantage. And we all know they have clocks in Argentina and know how to tell time. Break the rules = consequences. And if there are no consequences, then what’s the line? Can every team do what Argentina did?
Argentina is #1 ranked team in the world! Canada could have been up 2-0 before half. Yes, they have more experience and depth. Remember, they lost a lot before they won!
@@mccullochmikeThis is not the first time this happens. A lot of teams do this. Not just Argentina, Canada has done it also. But sure I can agree that not all teams are treated equal and they should be fined. But to suggest that it gave Argentina an advantage lol that’s a bit far fetched. I don’t think Argentina needs more of an advantage when they still have the best player in the world.
@@BrentHenry-in4nvI get it but, you and I know there’s not such thing as could’ve. It’s either you do or you don’t. But Canada played toe to toe and lost no shame in that. All I am saying is Argentina doesn’t need extra advantage. But I agree Canada has come along way from the days of being beaten lert and right.
Any tournament where the participants are majority Latino will be a joke. They wouldn't understand fair play if bite them in their arses. Wait until Latino referring starts to kick in...
Never seen someone who was invited to a cup be so entitled, Canadá should be thankful they're playing Copa America to begin with, never the less to play against Messi and the World Champions, and if you don't like it, go play your gold cup
they were not invited they qualified. All copa amaricas going forward will have the 10 conmebol teams + Concacaf top 6. You are projecting your entitlement.
Has anyone mentioned the biased refereeing? Acuna and Argentina got away with so many fouls! Even the foul on Shaffelburg that VAR looked at for a pen wasn't even given as a Canada freekick.
Nah, Argentina came to the field exactly 4 minutes and 40 seconds after canada, so it was 20 minutes total, 5 minutes more than the reglamentary 15 minutes between halfs
Oooooh 2 -0 . Best team in the world beats Canada by 2 goals. It be like Canada beating Argentina in hockey 4 -0 , that would be an embarrassment and would never happen our junior team would win 10 -0 with rolling 3rd and 4th lines , laughable 😅
Lmao, man, this show Herc isn't good. You gotta move on. I don't know anyone who goes to games and spends money who talks about these guys and respects their voices.
argentina should be able to walk in the stadium a minute before kickoff sit on the field drinking beer during halftime and give half effort the whole match and still beat canada. needing to use all these ridiculous games to beat that level of opponent should be an embarrassment but we all see how argentina acts at tournaments. they are a disgrace and honestly should be banned from competing for the next world cup and copa america. hordes of racist fans and horrible players crying and playing dirty are not needed in these tournaments
No. Only Latinos cheat to gain an advantage. THAT is the history of football. I've been watching football for 6 decades - it's the Latin American referees, officials, coaches and players that need to learn how to be men. There's no honor to winning while cheating.
5 minutes is a lot of extra time to rest for a player the age of Messi and Di Maria who are no longer young players. One should follow the rules no matter how big or small the team is. Anybody facing Argentina would want to keep a player like Di Maria tired so that he can get substituted out quicker.
In ebery sport, these clowns dont know what it os to ñlay as a southamerican on iss or canads, like olimpics, and talk aboit bias and "2nd class citizen" treatment, gtfo his team was even favoured half the matches they played, SH uldnt even qualify to quarters, dont even know what a decent football field looks then talk all hight abd migthy about his squad of butchers
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It does not happen in every league. In the premier league for example, if youre late out of the tunnel its an automatic fine.
They're putting words in Marsch's mouth. He never said that five minutes made a difference in the outcome, just that they should be fined. It was more about wishing that he had an extra few minutes since I'm sure in that situation he'd want as much as he could get. That talk about the Argentine adjustment sounded more like he was making fun of them for being late. Like, why would they even need the extra time to make such a small adjustment.
Bingo. Kind of the name of the game with these talking head shows, though. It's weird that instead of showing highlights and analyzing game footage, so much of sports content is just a bunch of people missing the point on purpose.
Yes he did. Marsch said if they could have more time to prepare which means it totally made a difference
Marsch is being a bitch. Doesn't want to accept that he lost and is trying to divert attention from it.
U still wouldn’t beat Argentina if they came out on time. Relax. Please remember that u are Canada
@@koukihayashi8693 I'm not even Canadian
Why didn't these fools flip the script and ask what if Canada made Argentina wait 20 mins?
It was 4:40 minutes the delay from Argentina's side.
Yes the operative word here is "fools."
Yes the difference is ARGENTINA - CANADA. Best team in the world vs i don't even know the rank of Canada.
I don't have a problem with what he said - I appreciate Argentina, love Messi and all that - but they were fucking around and they were disrespectful to the game by coming out late.
All of the South American teams play this way.
The sport needs to treat everyone the same - I won't go into each cultures bullshit - but they all approach the game differently and the officials put up with it.
All teams need to respect the rules.
These guys miss the point. It's a sign of disrespect to do this and if they're fine with it because 'Oh it's Messi and the Argies so everything is ok' then it's just another example of the two tier system of how people get treated differently because of who they are. If it had been Canada coming out late the lamenting would have put Trojan women to shame. I also think it's tied in with how pissed off they are at Marsch for taking the Canada job.
Nah, the point is "I'm mad butthurt cuz I lost and Imma start rambling and later say it was a joke". Ofc they should be on time, but saying that they lost cuz of that or that canada would've performed better with extra 5 minutes was painful to watch.
Same game standards for everyone
This take didn't age well. Argentina fined AND Canada goes through.
It's not a "get lost." Why should one set of rules apply to one team and not the other? That's not fair. Marsch never said that if he had extra time, he would've been able to cook up a plan that would've beaten Argentina. This is about making sure everyone is held to the same standard.
And now they got fined for not being on time. 😂
Marsh simply said everyone should show up to work on time. My guys did and their guys didn’t, where’s the penalty for it?
Back when Marsch was coaching the New York Red Bulls, he was the king of post conference excuses. I couldn’t stand listening to him. He was easily my most disliked coach. All coaches do this, and it drives me insane, but Marsch’s comments have always been extra ridiculous. Mike Petke was fired simply to give Marsch the job, he then went on to accomplish the exact same feats that Petke did but was considered a success. Petke is certainly too strong of a personality, but his post game rants were usually correct, even if Petke’s choice of words were poor. Marsch just says crap, it often doesn’t make any sense. Yes he had success in Europe, but on stacked Red Bulls teams that would have one with or without him. I think Marsch still needs to prove himself in the coaching world and stop saying anything and everything to take the attention away from his performance.
In premier league he was too, hes the biggest hypocrite and crybaby ive seen in years in football (and tbstd says a lot) while painting himself and his team of butchers like saints
@@diegosotomiranda4107 dang, I had some hope that he had improved on that regard. I really really disliked him at the Red Bulls
It’s not a get lost. It’s the fact that there are certain teams that get more leeway. Argentina, Brasil, England, Germany vs a Jamaica, Canada, Guatemala etc, yeah. Watch Jamaica make Argentina wait 20 min on the field see what kind of press that gets. Look at the US a few years ago talk about the field in Trinidad, everyone ridiculed them. Now Argentina makes statements about the field and you got Ale over there saying the copa America should have never been played in the states! That’s the point Jessie was trying to make. Like someone said…rules are rules.
Well said! Agree 100%!
I mean the Trinidad thing was just reflexively defending terrible run black nations. Isn’t really related to the rest of this.
World Champions for a reason, learn to wait and stop crying and if you don't like it, go play your gold cup
@@rainyeyesparty go mow my lawn dork.
it wasn´t 20 min. 15 reglamentary which Canada had too and then it was almost five more, and they were in the fking 1000miles tunnel. They weren´t doing technical analisis. Is just crying.
this is what coaches do in all sports. he lost and hes not gonna bag his players so he finds something else to tell the media, and at the same time tries to unite his players with us vs the world kinda stuff.
Good luck winning with that victim mentality
lol THIS IS SILLY GOOSE TIME
Rules are rules. Didn't pep fine messi for coming late to training. The coach isn't crying because he lost. What's the point in having regulations if you let people side step them. Late is a fine. Even if it's $10k. He's not asking for the game to be replayed or a penalty. But a fine.
Jesse Marsch needs to chill. Canada needs to shut and play.
I don't know which American coach is more arrogant and obnoxious, Marsch or Berhalter.
For me it has always been Marsch. He drove me up the wall when he coached on MLS. Every game they lost he said some of the most moronic things… things all coaches do, but it was like listening to an American version of Jose Morinho, but not nearly as entertaining.
@@chriswhetton3584not bearly as entertaining, carismatic or succesfull, he thinks hes a big shot and just come across as an hypocrite and crybaby
This whole panel sucks ass, this is the best they can get
Agreed. What a bunch of arse-kissing pinheads. The primary question is why do the World Champions need to cheat?
Stop whining. This Canadian team is very violent, and Marsch himself encourages them to be violent. 14 yellow cards are not for nothing, and Canada benefited from two expulsions in their rival teams.
I love how arrogant and condescending this panel is! I think Jesse was merely pointing out that Argentina was definitely lollygagging their way on the field. But I guess this panel sees nothing wrong with it!
Oooh so that's why they lost twice 🤣🤣🤣🤡
Always the Argentina and Messi glazing
Does ale always have to say everything he says twice?
People in the comments defending Jesse Marsch make me laugh. Y'all know if GGG did the same thing. Y'all be shitting on him for trying to divert attention from the result of the game.
Well, rules are rules...Can the media fellate Messi any more? I guess they know who puts asses in seats.
This comment right here. My comment pretty much is based on this.
Everyone does, if you’re crying about 5 mins then you’re a whiny crybaby. Also crying because the media talks about messi 😂. Shock the biggest stars get talked about more. Go away weakling
💯. At the Argentina vs Canada game, 95% of the 70k people there, including me and my family, were there to see Messi and the boys.
In the end that’s Argentina either way they will won.
Herc - love your content!
Dear ESPN, marsch & Klinsmann was part of the panel back then asking for opinion from them as managers but honestly lately they been more talk than action, the results show. Same goes to Carra/Neville, get someone better please.
Argentina are never precise in opening games for some reason, any other night with the chances they had thia game ended by a 5 or 6 goal margin. Stop crying
Messi of 3 years ago scores 2 of the 3 breakaways
Jesse! Get a life!
HOCKEY HOCKEY HOCKEY where REAL men play game after game with actual BROKEN BONES !!!!!!!! NOT roll around like children after being touched by a round soft ball ...... WOKEST game on the planet !!!!!
Hockey, when a buch of unskilled hillbilies beat the crap of each other and sometimes they play something that resembles a sport
I advise everyone in the comment section to look up “manufactured consent” by Noam Chomsky, this is a prime example of it in a corporate setting in which a corporation (espn) is obligated to protect the bottom line and their cash cow and not allow even a hint of impropriety taint their tourney.
Argentine does this bullshit gamesmanship ALL THE TIME.
Why do you care about the other team. Just do what you have to do and stop worrying about everyone else.
I'm hearing alot of canadians complaining about this.Like bruh,those extra mins wouldn't of help them beat a well organized and tactical Argentina team.These canadians are delulu.
OK so why not take an extra 45 min? Maybe have a massage and a HJ while you're at it? This so classic Latino immaturity. Even the World Champions can't resist cheating. What an embarrassment... Unfortunately, Latin American understands no shame. Wait until the referees start placing their thumbs on the scale.
You can't know that the extra minutes did not help Argentina win. Argentina were not winning at halftime, so clearly what they did during the break was important. If they had less time, it's very possible that the game ends in a tie as well.
Argentina evidently isn’t well organized otherwise they would have been on time. Nobody is arguing gaining an extra 5 minutes to strategize would have changed the outcome (who knows, maybe it would change the path of the game). The point is there are rules. Argentina didn’t follow the rules and the referees let them get away with it. Rules are in place for a reason. If there are no consequences for Argentina then every team knows they can stay in the dressing room for an extra 5 minutes. Hey, let’s make it 6 or 7 minutes…maybe 10. Where’s the line if there are no consequences for breaking the rules? This is on the referees for not properly managing the situation. This is not on Marsch, Canada or Argentina.
@@mccullochmike Agreed, but it is also on FIFA to not enforce more serious consequences. After 5 minute grace, hand out a red card to the captain. Only then will you see this rule not being abused.
It doesn’t matter if Canada got another 30-40 min the outcome would be the outcome lol. Argentina is just levels above Canada sorry guys.
That’s a straw man’s argument. Nobody is arguing that Argentina, the #1 team in the world, isn’t a stronger team or is “levels above Canada”. The discussion is around the referees not managing the game. There are rules in place and Argentina was allowed to bend/break them. If Argentina is so good, they shouldn’t be breaking the rules for an advantage. And we all know they have clocks in Argentina and know how to tell time. Break the rules = consequences. And if there are no consequences, then what’s the line? Can every team do what Argentina did?
Argentina is #1 ranked team in the world! Canada could have been up 2-0 before half. Yes, they have more experience and depth. Remember, they lost a lot before they won!
@@mccullochmikeThis is not the first time this happens. A lot of teams do this. Not just Argentina, Canada has done it also. But sure I can agree that not all teams are treated equal and they should be fined. But to suggest that it gave Argentina an advantage lol that’s a bit far fetched. I don’t think Argentina needs more of an advantage when they still have the best player in the world.
@@BrentHenry-in4nvI get it but, you and I know there’s not such thing as could’ve. It’s either you do or you don’t. But Canada played toe to toe and lost no shame in that. All I am saying is Argentina doesn’t need extra advantage. But I agree Canada has come along way from the days of being beaten lert and right.
Copa america is a joke because of antics like this not because of pitch conditions
Copa America is a joke because the coach of a teams that never played it in history and was invited cries? What are you smoking?😂
Any tournament where the participants are majority Latino will be a joke. They wouldn't understand fair play if bite them in their arses. Wait until Latino referring starts to kick in...
Just wait on Arg or let them waits. Lets see the reactions then.
Never seen someone who was invited to a cup be so entitled, Canadá should be thankful they're playing Copa America to begin with, never the less to play against Messi and the World Champions, and if you don't like it, go play your gold cup
they were not invited they qualified. All copa amaricas going forward will have the 10 conmebol teams + Concacaf top 6. You are projecting your entitlement.
@@ralphlegros8803 he needs to be projecting how many trash bags he needs to bag the cut grass in my yard.
@rainyeyesparty Y’all want that gold cup money so I wouldn’t be talking cuh
Exactly.Canada is just making up the group.It's not like they're going to make it out the group.
Exactly.Canada is just making up the group.It's not like they're making it out the group.
Has anyone mentioned the biased refereeing? Acuna and Argentina got away with so many fouls! Even the foul on Shaffelburg that VAR looked at for a pen wasn't even given as a Canada freekick.
Var isn't allowed to go back and give free kicks. It's definitely a rule that should be rewritten
@@bryanp5843 the fact that the ref didn't call for a foul/freekick for the incident before VAR checked is what I take issue with.
@@Patrick-qz6tn Welcome to Concacaf and South American tournaments
It was 20 minutes, not 5.
Nah, Argentina came to the field exactly 4 minutes and 40 seconds after canada, so it was 20 minutes total, 5 minutes more than the reglamentary 15 minutes between halfs
Give the cup to argentina, it is fucking rigged
Oooooh 2 -0 . Best team in the world beats Canada by 2 goals. It be like Canada beating Argentina in hockey 4 -0 , that would be an embarrassment and would never happen our junior team would win 10 -0 with rolling 3rd and 4th lines , laughable 😅
Lmao, man, this show Herc isn't good. You gotta move on. I don't know anyone who goes to games and spends money who talks about these guys and respects their voices.
argentina should be able to walk in the stadium a minute before kickoff sit on the field drinking beer during halftime and give half effort the whole match and still beat canada. needing to use all these ridiculous games to beat that level of opponent should be an embarrassment but we all see how argentina acts at tournaments. they are a disgrace and honestly should be banned from competing for the next world cup and copa america. hordes of racist fans and horrible players crying and playing dirty are not needed in these tournaments
This is extreme...
Kick out that team 😂😂
Crying about 5 mins 😂, these Canadians are so soft. Who cares, everyone tries to gain an advantage. It’s been the history of football.
No. Only Latinos cheat to gain an advantage. THAT is the history of football. I've been watching football for 6 decades - it's the Latin American referees, officials, coaches and players that need to learn how to be men. There's no honor to winning while cheating.
5 minutes is a lot of extra time to rest for a player the age of Messi and Di Maria who are no longer young players. One should follow the rules no matter how big or small the team is. Anybody facing Argentina would want to keep a player like Di Maria tired so that he can get substituted out quicker.
In ebery sport, these clowns dont know what it os to ñlay as a southamerican on iss or canads, like olimpics, and talk aboit bias and "2nd class citizen" treatment, gtfo his team was even favoured half the matches they played, SH uldnt even qualify to quarters, dont even know what a decent football field looks then talk all hight abd migthy about his squad of butchers
Sorry Jesse you don’t have the right complexion for Shaka to take your side.