Haha for real. It takes me two evenings to paint a single intercessor that turns out to be poorer quality than any one of these 30 models he painted in two days 😅.
Tonite on POT Gear, JT shrinks to 3 feet to join the squats, Tak becomes one with the machine spirit by replacing his limbs with metal springs and Tycho fights off the CDC as his beard becomes sentient
I like how while they don't say "Votann are broken", they do small snipets like "you took out a tank with your small arms fire" to say how dumb that judgment tokens are.
We need more JT vs Tak, love the way they play simultaneously so smart, so amiable and so chill. Great energy, great game. Also, the hammer is terrifying!
This is PEAK PLAYON! Amazing models, terrain, editing and gameplay, with a Nick cameo (ft. split fire), edge of your seat rolls every turn and an insightful first impression of the new kids on the block. Well done gents!
Totally. I think one of my favorite things about this crew is that they have FUN. Yes it's competitive but it's so clear how much they enjoy each other's company and the whims of the dice. A lot of people don't have that when they play.
I am a relative new player to warhammer and your videos have been a big inspiration to start collecting the hobby. But todays video was superb for someone as new as me since you guys went and talk about each of your action in detail. It was great understanding the how and why of each move. But props to JT and Tak for being that well at explaining. Great bat rep. Keep it up guys!
The friendly and fun environment You guys at POT have created is so nice to watch, delivered with top-notch production value! You guys have made Warhammer so much more fun for me and my friends! Thanks!
Started this hobby 2 years ago and went for the Mechanicus. Just finished painting my last model today. I just might get Space Dwarfs next. Excited to see this match!
Honestly thank you PoT team for having such great sponsors. You guys are very passionate people, and I know if you're recommending something it's a good product. Those bases are gorgeous, and the quality of your videos is as amazing as ever. Excited for the launch of all of these gorgeous products!
saw your ad mech modals in one of your games and it finalised my decision to get my first combat patrol of them =] great to see them on the table again
Amazing work tycho for putting this army beutifully painted in just 2 days! seem kinda OP these dwarfs no shame in them being forbidden in tournaments xd
I think there should be a couple damage tweaks (mass hammer stronk), but this looks quite fun. Space dwarves feel very space dwarf which is exactly what I would want
Votann vs Tau when? rail vs rail! Armor vs armor! Let loose the rails of war!!!!! High Kahl Franz and the Elector Count! I love it! Space Marine Steve vs Chaos Marine steve in a mustache narrated by steve when? If we can work in
Although I'm familiar with Warhammer 40K and Games Workshop stuff in general, I've never actually even played this game (or the regular Warhammer or any other GW except for Blood Bowl many years back) and yet I still love watching these videos. Great job guys!
I honestly dont know really whats going on but the people that are playing in combination with how everythign is shot helps me KINDA figure things out. Thanks for this one and I cant wait for the next!
What I don’t understand is how the unit of Hearthkyn on the left side of the board where able to target the unit of skitarii behind cover? I’m new to this.
The overhead can be deceiving at times. Unfortunately with the 10-man squad the Ranger in the back was positioned in a way for some of the Warriors to still be able to see. That is why only 3 or 4 Hearthkyn Warriors shot instead of all of them.
Amazing vid, guys! Though I think I speak for everyone when I say I miss the old dice-box clatter... Such a satisfying sound! Seriously, though, it's awesome to see the new dwarves. And the smaller army size is great too as it's much more relatable. Not sure many if us are going to be rushing out to buy 2k points right off the bat. Kudos to Tycho for getting them painted up. Loving the content and the enthusiasm!
@@99Plastics lol imagine being so miserable all you do is comment negative energy over multiple TH-cam videos. Literally got nothing better to do than radiate filth. LOL
Give it two weeks for the preliminary "Clarifications" that makes some of the nutso stuff chill out, then a month for the point cost increases, then a month after that for all the drastic rule changes that render them an upper low tier imperium force.
It will take roughly 2-3 months after world release that there will be an FAQ or two. Probably 6 months from now we will see point changes and some Nerfs
Only 10k more to 250! Lets go! You guys are gaining great ground! Every time I mention you guys on Reddit someone replies saying they love your stuff! :) Keep it up!
Love the helmet choices, unhelmeted space dwarves high key look bad, and like a totally not space marine, but when you throw that helmet on MMMMM ITS A DIFFERENT STORY! WONDERFUL BATREP!
So something he forgot with the medpacks, you ignore the first damage you take each turn so he'd still have 2 extra hearthkyn plus he could have gotten d3 back with command points. Voltann does need a few nerds but I think they're close to being at a good spot opponents just need to realize they need to outmaneuver them and just line of sight the kahl more
Apparently 5 berserkers can kill a imperial knight. And the land fortress vehicle main gun can deal at best 10w or at worst 7w without stratagems or relics. I think this is going to be a very op army for months and then the nerf hammer will come.
To be fair, introducing a new faction will have that effect. Very easy fix, but this is GW we're talking about so we might not see that fix until 10th edition
Never give up! Never surrender! While I failed that first turn charge that could have very much changed the game sinking those two turn 2 charges was amazing. Thanks for watching!
Holy crap the Leagues of Votaan are amazing. Much love to Tycho ave everyone involved. Looking forward to all the cool stuff you guys have coming for us involving the Votaan.
eesh, thought the leagues were rather powerful already, but seeing them in action and the void no re-roll thing just seems a bit too much in my honest opinion. GW will likely nerf them a bit once enough models sell, hopefully just a small judgement change and nothing too game breaking.
To be fair they probably took the top tier army versus the lowest tier army. Cool thematically and lore wise of course, but the outcome was predictable.
@@justingregory2011 although the same for Iron Warriors (and Salamanders), these rules are their Chapter Tactics. Void armor is just an equipment buff on top of everything else. They still get all their army rules.
@@Homer92 not to mention that the only lists for admech doing anything right now are veteran skitarii cohorts. Honestly the biggest thing to note was when the onager got wiped by small arms fire. Judgement tokens are stupidly strong and the auto resolve as a 6 is salt in the wound.
Cool stuff. I’m personally a little turned off Dwarves just because of how over powered they are feeling but this was a great video. Would love to see demons on the channel; particularly Khorne but any mono-god or the Army of Reknown would be pretty awesome
@@mightbeapersonmaybe8379 true about the points... but tak did have to do a chain of hail mary's turn 2, which all worked out perfectly... and he still lost hard.
@@stephencraig3176 jt had some serious luck early on as well. Maybe with a more meta army a showcase could be better i know some other channel who got the box have done a tyranid vs votann match. Not watched it but could determine where the leagues lie
@@mightbeapersonmaybe8379 Vanguard Tactics did Nids Vs Votann at 2k. It wasn't a laser optimised Votann list as it had no land fortresses or Hearthguard etc as the models arent out. The Leagues won but only by 7 points. It's also worth mentioning that the Nids came pretty close while being piloted by a guy who admitted at the start "I don't really have any knowledge of Nids so I had to do a lot of reading before this" and the guy playing Leagues was Stephen Box, who's one of the top players in the UK and has multiple GT wins under his belt. I think once people have played against LoV a bit counters will start to develop. They died pretty fast to the disgusting amounts of MWs that Tyranids can pump. If anything I think it said more about how terrifying Tyranids still are!
Your vids getting me through this man flu! Great to see more JT, you guys (Tycho Tak, Nick, Chaos Marine Steve etc seem like top friends too) . Think the whole community were worried when JT had a break from the channel but I hope he sees the love everyone shows him
Wow, Great Game. Honestly I am not a fan of some of the Votann models, but I like their Symbol and the way these models were painted actually made them look better than what GW showed. SPACE DWARVES!
Why is it that models can shoot at other models that they cannot draw line of sight to? Do people just ignore LOS in Warhammer these days or are the rules for terrain just strange now? at 14:01 Votann squad shoots through containers at a group they cannot draw line of sight to. I see these things happen at many different batreps, so is LOS not a thing anymore?
I would love to see how well the votom do against the really shooty army like the towel or something stupid fast like the dark elves. Yeah the photon packs of insane firepower and their tank as hell. But they're also slow as hell and have relatively small numbers. So can the space dwarfs defenses stand up the sheer volume of guns the towel can shoot that them with. And how effective are they really when it comes to hitting something much faster than they have they can just move the hell out of the way.
Withholding judgement until I see more gameplay. But my initial take is that they do seem overtuned. While they are slower their damage output with its consistency is just bonkers.
This was a great match tbh. I love both of these armies thematically. Space Dwarves are a welcome faction! I wish they were in orange though lol. I can’t wait to see the mods people make to these stout beaters.
Can we just take moment to appreciate Tycho putting together this army in 2 days!
That's literally impossible to me. Like, what the hell
Hear Hear!
Haha for real. It takes me two evenings to paint a single intercessor that turns out to be poorer quality than any one of these 30 models he painted in two days 😅.
Two days to prepare which means there was brob no practice
If votan wins it means its slightly overpowered or due to luck
Tonite on POT Gear, JT shrinks to 3 feet to join the squats, Tak becomes one with the machine spirit by replacing his limbs with metal springs and Tycho fights off the CDC as his beard becomes sentient
Love the rhyme
@@PlayOnTabletop lol its all good mates and please let me know if this becomes annoying lol
For the Smash Father and on that bombshell G'Night everybody!
This joke gets top rated comment on every video you post it under. I don't think the people are annoyed with it quite yet
Omg POT gear hahahahaha
I like how while they don't say "Votann are broken", they do small snipets like "you took out a tank with your small arms fire" to say how dumb that judgment tokens are.
Admech is also very weak RN and makes most army's look OP by comparison
The ammount of buffs is crazy lol. -1 ap no rerolls to wound or hit, +4 range autowounding.
We need more JT vs Tak, love the way they play simultaneously so smart, so amiable and so chill. Great energy, great game. Also, the hammer is terrifying!
Glad you enjoyed our back and forth
The Einhyr Champion has the Hammer-est Hammer of Hammers.
He is the Warhammer 40k
This is PEAK PLAYON! Amazing models, terrain, editing and gameplay, with a Nick cameo (ft. split fire), edge of your seat rolls every turn and an insightful first impression of the new kids on the block. Well done gents!
Thank you! We really want to look for the fun in anything.
Totally. I think one of my favorite things about this crew is that they have FUN. Yes it's competitive but it's so clear how much they enjoy each other's company and the whims of the dice. A lot of people don't have that when they play.
JT playing Squats just makes perfect sense . Such a vast contrast from what he normally plays I’m excited to see how he fields them in the battle !
I am a relative new player to warhammer and your videos have been a big inspiration to start collecting the hobby. But todays video was superb for someone as new as me since you guys went and talk about each of your action in detail. It was great understanding the how and why of each move. But props to JT and Tak for being that well at explaining.
Great bat rep. Keep it up guys!
Thank you for watching and and welcome to the hobby!
That table & terrain is GORGEOUS.
Really not sure about the new direction Amazon are taking the dwarfs in this new release.
what do you mean?
@@Bigtortuga1 lotr
Yo, ESO, very cool to see you here
And, what do you think about these Dwarves?
if its in lotr, they are pretty fantasy accurate dwarfs from what i have watched
All awards to Tycho for powering through 25 models in 2 days, great models, great paint jobs, great batrep.
For Smack Daddy! Well done, Play on!
Thank you for that! Will give the Smack a treat.
The friendly and fun environment You guys at POT have created is so nice to watch, delivered with top-notch production value! You guys have made Warhammer so much more fun for me and my friends! Thanks!
I'd love to see 4 teams go at it in one big battle.
Started this hobby 2 years ago and went for the Mechanicus. Just finished painting my last model today. I just might get Space Dwarfs next. Excited to see this match!
This is the real treat to see JT's new army debut, hope it didn't end disaster like Tak's lol
love the above-the-board camera angle and the effects you add for the shooting! really great visuals
Honestly thank you PoT team for having such great sponsors. You guys are very passionate people, and I know if you're recommending something it's a good product. Those bases are gorgeous, and the quality of your videos is as amazing as ever. Excited for the launch of all of these gorgeous products!
saw your ad mech modals in one of your games and it finalised my decision to get my first combat patrol of them =] great to see them on the table again
They are very fun to play! Welcome to the loving steel embrace of the Omnissiah
Amazing work tycho for putting this army beutifully painted in just 2 days!
seem kinda OP these dwarfs no shame in them being forbidden in tournaments xd
It’s very obvious that the squats are OP and need to be reworked. They are already being banned in tourneys.
I think there should be a couple damage tweaks (mass hammer stronk), but this looks quite fun. Space dwarves feel very space dwarf which is exactly what I would want
Top Tier editing. Don't know how you guys dont have a million subs.
We will get there one day!
YES SQUATS ARE BACK!!!! I've been looking forward to this please have more Leagues of Votann Content!
Votann is so overpowered holy moly
Votann vs Tau when? rail vs rail! Armor vs armor! Let loose the rails of war!!!!! High Kahl Franz and the Elector Count! I love it!
Space Marine Steve vs Chaos Marine steve in a mustache narrated by steve when? If we can work in
2:17 "And is possibly the most hammer-able hammer of all hammers in the whole hammer universe."
*[gasp]*
Now you are the real Warhammer 40,000!
Although I'm familiar with Warhammer 40K and Games Workshop stuff in general, I've never actually even played this game (or the regular Warhammer or any other GW except for Blood Bowl many years back) and yet I still love watching these videos. Great job guys!
Fantastic game, everything looked amazing. But it's always the dice that make those big moments 😁🤣
Dice Tell Stories
@@PlayOnTabletop That whiff against the infiltrators... I swear I could feel it coming
Lots of fun! Paint on the space dwarfs looks great!
Very good production, the game is clear and undertandable, the units are shown very clearly. Congrats!
I honestly dont know really whats going on but the people that are playing in combination with how everythign is shot helps me KINDA figure things out. Thanks for this one and I cant wait for the next!
What I don’t understand is how the unit of Hearthkyn on the left side of the board where able to target the unit of skitarii behind cover? I’m new to this.
The overhead can be deceiving at times. Unfortunately with the 10-man squad the Ranger in the back was positioned in a way for some of the Warriors to still be able to see. That is why only 3 or 4 Hearthkyn Warriors shot instead of all of them.
Amazing vid, guys! Though I think I speak for everyone when I say I miss the old dice-box clatter... Such a satisfying sound!
Seriously, though, it's awesome to see the new dwarves. And the smaller army size is great too as it's much more relatable. Not sure many if us are going to be rushing out to buy 2k points right off the bat.
Kudos to Tycho for getting them painted up. Loving the content and the enthusiasm!
Anyone wanna bet how long it takes for GW to take the Nerfbat to the Votann? I am guessing after the first run is sold and they made their money back.
Nerf them ? Why would they ? People on r/warhammer40k told me they were perfectly balanced , and downvoted me to oblivion for saying they would be OP.
@@nicak777alex9 imagine crying that ppl on reddit disagreed with you lol
@@99Plastics lol imagine being so miserable all you do is comment negative energy over multiple TH-cam videos. Literally got nothing better to do than radiate filth. LOL
Give it two weeks for the preliminary "Clarifications" that makes some of the nutso stuff chill out, then a month for the point cost increases, then a month after that for all the drastic rule changes that render them an upper low tier imperium force.
It will take roughly 2-3 months after world release that there will be an FAQ or two. Probably 6 months from now we will see point changes and some Nerfs
Only 10k more to 250! Lets go! You guys are gaining great ground! Every time I mention you guys on Reddit someone replies saying they love your stuff! :) Keep it up!
Love the helmet choices, unhelmeted space dwarves high key look bad, and like a totally not space marine, but when you throw that helmet on MMMMM ITS A DIFFERENT STORY! WONDERFUL BATREP!
“I really like LoV” because they’re SUPER FUCKING BROKEN
This has to be the most ridiculously overpowered army I've ever seen GW put out sheesh
Proud of the admech for almost making it close 🤣
Squats busted!
The old dice trays sounded more crisp and satysfing :D
The amount of knowledge at the table right now is amazing
So something he forgot with the medpacks, you ignore the first damage you take each turn so he'd still have 2 extra hearthkyn plus he could have gotten d3 back with command points. Voltann does need a few nerds but I think they're close to being at a good spot opponents just need to realize they need to outmaneuver them and just line of sight the kahl more
Or if you're a Manhunter Alpha Legion with the right weapons, kill the Kahl fast and quick before the rest of the main forces.
I thought they were run by nerds! Why would they need more?
Everybody screeching about how op they are just need to outplay them
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Yeah just as Tyranids when their new codex came out, right? Right?!
Apparently 5 berserkers can kill a imperial knight. And the land fortress vehicle main gun can deal at best 10w or at worst 7w without stratagems or relics.
I think this is going to be a very op army for months and then the nerf hammer will come.
I’ve got to say the quality of this video is fantastic.
Thank you for thinking so
The table is beautifl. and the Votann color scheme is really nice.
I think leagues are a bit overtuned, but a change to judgment tokens would be an easy fix
To be fair, introducing a new faction will have that effect. Very easy fix, but this is GW we're talking about so we might not see that fix until 10th edition
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Nope. The nerf will come just before they do up guard so they can sell guard.
@@jimmysmith2249 Just leave the hobby or cry less lol
d3+3 mortals on a six is kinda silly. Dishing out 20 wounds from one model is not fun to play against.
@@ianfleming446 you must really hate orks then, since they can deal a theoretically infinite amount of damage with enough 6s
And this is with Votann not even having HALF their models
Brilliant showcase of LoV! Favorite part was Tak making those 2 charges! Was awesome! Votann hit so hard! Great show! You guys are BOSSES! 👊😎
Never give up! Never surrender! While I failed that first turn charge that could have very much changed the game sinking those two turn 2 charges was amazing. Thanks for watching!
I love the fact that there seems to be some DRG references in the Votann
Tychos's quick army painting FTW! Good Job Guys, and fun batrep (as always)
Holy crap the Leagues of Votaan are amazing. Much love to Tycho ave everyone involved.
Looking forward to all the cool stuff you guys have coming for us involving the Votaan.
Yeah that's how I'd thought it would go. Not great when the basic troops can easily kill a tank....
eesh, thought the leagues were rather powerful already, but seeing them in action and the void no re-roll thing just seems a bit too much in my honest opinion. GW will likely nerf them a bit once enough models sell, hopefully just a small judgement change and nothing too game breaking.
To be fair they probably took the top tier army versus the lowest tier army. Cool thematically and lore wise of course, but the outcome was predictable.
Their void armour is almost the same as iron warriors.. reducing ap and no re roll wounds parts are the same so they won't be taken away anytime soon
@@justingregory2011 although the same for Iron Warriors (and Salamanders), these rules are their Chapter Tactics. Void armor is just an equipment buff on top of everything else. They still get all their army rules.
@@Homer92 not to mention that the only lists for admech doing anything right now are veteran skitarii cohorts.
Honestly the biggest thing to note was when the onager got wiped by small arms fire. Judgement tokens are stupidly strong and the auto resolve as a 6 is salt in the wound.
Don’t worry they now have a huge point increase and lost one of those best mechanics army wide
Honestly, anyone but JT playing Votann would just feel wrong lol
Cool stuff. I’m personally a little turned off Dwarves just because of how over powered they are feeling but this was a great video. Would love to see demons on the channel; particularly Khorne but any mono-god or the Army of Reknown would be pretty awesome
Loved the Karl Franz joke! Great video.
I did my best to summon the elector counts lol
The newest codex vs one of the most nerfed armies rn: seems good 👍
Tbf tak didn't do that badly either it really came down to rhat final round where jt pulled ahead in points
That's what I was saying lol I love my admech but damn I'd be scared to bring them against these lil suckers
@@mightbeapersonmaybe8379 true about the points... but tak did have to do a chain of hail mary's turn 2, which all worked out perfectly... and he still lost hard.
@@stephencraig3176 jt had some serious luck early on as well. Maybe with a more meta army a showcase could be better i know some other channel who got the box have done a tyranid vs votann match. Not watched it but could determine where the leagues lie
@@mightbeapersonmaybe8379 Vanguard Tactics did Nids Vs Votann at 2k. It wasn't a laser optimised Votann list as it had no land fortresses or Hearthguard etc as the models arent out. The Leagues won but only by 7 points. It's also worth mentioning that the Nids came pretty close while being piloted by a guy who admitted at the start "I don't really have any knowledge of Nids so I had to do a lot of reading before this" and the guy playing Leagues was Stephen Box, who's one of the top players in the UK and has multiple GT wins under his belt.
I think once people have played against LoV a bit counters will start to develop. They died pretty fast to the disgusting amounts of MWs that Tyranids can pump. If anything I think it said more about how terrifying Tyranids still are!
The leagues of votann are horrendously op
Your vids getting me through this man flu!
Great to see more JT, you guys (Tycho Tak, Nick, Chaos Marine Steve etc seem like top friends too) . Think the whole community were worried when JT had a break from the channel but I hope he sees the love everyone shows him
I have and I appreciate it!
Finding the channel recently getting back into 40k thanks for the good stuff!
Cant wait to fill my shelf with Votann to contrast my Drukhari as well :D
and Votan are just OP.
every Battle Report i have seen so far they have won.
they need a big nerf.
Fantastic video Play On Tabletop! I look forward to seeing more with Votann.
what a cool army. just cant wait to see how much that vehicle with the ignore invul leftover damage splash magna rail gun vehicle breaks the game.
New name, High Kahl Lamari :P you're welcome
Something sounds fishy about that... bahahaha
Amazing game, was hoping to see JT with LoV and it didn't disappoint!
The irony of them walking on water… 😂😂😂
You all did an amazing job with this batrep! Thank you for all of your hard work!
you guys are awesome!! doing something we all love and getting those amazing perks... like exclusive space dwarves!!!
First time viewing this channel. Excellent looking table and great game.
Thanks for watching
The new dice box was far too quiet!
The box comes with an optional neoprene mat but will have the original orange print on wood for the base. Best of both worlds.
@@PlayOnTabletop also just want to mention, absolutely love the channel :) you guys do amazing work!
Wow, Great Game.
Honestly I am not a fan of some of the Votann models, but I like their Symbol and the way these models were painted actually made them look better than what GW showed.
SPACE DWARVES!
So Nick had me planning to start my 40k journey with Tau. Now I am going to be starting with the votann. Sorry Nick.
Tycho painted them all in 2.5 days? that's insanely impressive
omg i am so stoked to hear I may be able to get the dice box and deployment zone markers!!!!
And the Squats didn't even have their overpowered railgun forts which would have wiped out whole units at a time.
Okay I hear anyone in my local GW location complain about my emperors champion being “OP” from here on out, I’m slapping them across the building
great work tycho, they look amazing man.
DUDE! I have to say this was VERY enjoyable to watch, thank you!
What an awesome game! Give Tycho some help. Let me come work and paint for the show!
Why is it that models can shoot at other models that they cannot draw line of sight to? Do people just ignore LOS in Warhammer these days or are the rules for terrain just strange now? at 14:01 Votann squad shoots through containers at a group they cannot draw line of sight to. I see these things happen at many different batreps, so is LOS not a thing anymore?
This is the first time I’ve been early to a new video drop!! I really enjoy your videos. It’s help me to get reacquainted to the game.
Great battle guys!!! That was an interesting first look at the league
I got two army boxes, but I can't wait for the full release so I can finish my army. Looking forward to playing at 2k.
I would love to see how well the votom do against the really shooty army like the towel or something stupid fast like the dark elves. Yeah the photon packs of insane firepower and their tank as hell. But they're also slow as hell and have relatively small numbers. So can the space dwarfs defenses stand up the sheer volume of guns the towel can shoot that them with. And how effective are they really when it comes to hitting something much faster than they have they can just move the hell out of the way.
Withholding judgement until I see more gameplay. But my initial take is that they do seem overtuned. While they are slower their damage output with its consistency is just bonkers.
This was a great match tbh. I love both of these armies thematically. Space Dwarves are a welcome faction! I wish they were in orange though lol. I can’t wait to see the mods people make to these stout beaters.
Funny enough they are supposed to be orange…
1000 point games on 48x60 is super fun. The smaller tables don’t let maneuver much imo, sick table tho!
This terrain is my favorite thus far, love the beachhead feel.
Damn, this channel is just a gorgeous visual experience. Love it.
To be fair, JT looks the most like a dwarf IRL, except maybe Tycho
This was dope guys! So many ups and downs!
Great vid guys was great to see the space dwarfs in action!
The Leagues are dangerously powerful. Damn!
Thanks POT for the previewing the new faction. Votann does not seem like a fair or fun faction to play.
It very much seems like a trophy hunter faction, which is a bad matchup for an AdMech list that relies on a few big units
so excited for this since your first votann video!!
space dwarves! space dwarves! space dwarves! awesome battrep! love it :)
Man, y'all make the game look fun
Awesome Game. Love the new dice Box. The clicking of the old one was always annyoing to me.
Ymir are great, but with how broken judgement is Greater Thurian league plus a regular Kahl really leans heavy into laying down a lot of judgement