This was awesome to be part of and thank you so much Play on and Tak for an amazing game. It was hilarious filming this and can’t wait until next time.
Don't break yourself over the Scout move, I accidentally cheated exactly the same way in my first game by putting Incursors into a Repulsor Executioner.
What I absolutely love about this match is the pure sportsmanship and camaraderie that both Tak and Stephen bring to the table - you can feel the respect each has for their opponent in every dice roll! I have huge appreciation for both Vanguard Tactics and Play On for what they do for the hobby, I got into 40k because of Play On's Intro to 9th edition video, and watching high-skill, high-sportsmanship games like this keeps me motivated and enthused even when my Death Guard are being shot to pieces by pesky space eleves...😂 Thanks both!
Very much appreciate that you like what we are putting down. There is something special about a game that flies someone across an ocean to play across a table from you. You want to roll dice, have fun, and enjoy that time together. Stephen Box was an amazing guest and we definitely enjoyed his time in the studio.
This is pretty much what I love about this channel and the people in a nutshell. Fun games, fun and joking banter and *sportsmanship*. Having fun is so much more important to these guys than winning and it makes the games so much better.
100% agree here. Finally pulled the trigger and bought the Infernus Marine 3 pack with paint after watching their how-to for 10th. These guys and Live and Let's Dice are always so positive and welcoming and are instrumental in getting me into 40k
This was super fun to watch. Stephen’s high level play left me on the edge of my seat. If a few rolls went his way this game would have been very different. I love you’re batreps play on. Keep the sweet videos coming.
To think all this started because the Ultramarines got their hands on a Toaster oven that makes the perfect blueberry muffins, can't have anything around the Mechanicus
youtube warham games are always drawn out and boring. It's a lot of shuffling around, throwing dice, comparing results etc. This format is GREAT. It's fast, snappy, skips a lot of the "dead" time. Unlike almost every other channel, this was actually really engaging! AND an Admech win???? I'm astounded!
We do think we have created a format that is entertaining. Glad you like it. There are different formats for different tastes and there is a lot of great personalities out there in the TH-cam world and we enjoy the little niche we have carved for ourselves here.
love the sportsmanship shown in these matches. It seems like everyone just loves to play and enjoys the stories told on the tabletop. That is exactly how it should be. Love the energy.
The sportsmanship of this match is heartwarming and the banter is gut warming, in that I was chuckling a lot. Absolutely the kinda content we should be seeing well done guys!
That was sooooo close. I thought it was done by turn 3, but Stephen kept the game going when he could have legitimately thrown in the towel. A great game and a great model of sportsmanship!
I have never seen so many ones rolled in a single game, holy cow. I could feel the frustration through the screen by the end, really feel for VT. Excellent sportsmanship regardless, great game!
Took me too long to get around to this video. That being said, when Steve gives tak some pointers, and jt says something about it, then says it's the best way to play, I couldn't agree more. There is very little better things on this earth than when you're playing a superior player, or more experienced, or whatever, and they start teaching you tips and tricks to improve. It's amazing. The other week I was playing a competitive team player. I hadn't played since 5th edition and just got back in. He played tsons vs my blood angels. Yea, sure he won. But once he realized how much better and more experienced he was, he started giving me tactical advice. I learned so much. Neither of us lost. He won the game, but I learned more. It was great.
This is great for a new player to listen to the tactical talk on decisions and get into the heads of more experienced players. Especially with my first escalation tournament coming up!
You guys should do a battle between Miniwargamer Dave (Chaos space marines) and Steve (Blood angels) on who has the correct usage of blood, sacrifice or consumption.
I don’t know if y’all have done this or not but what if the two opponents build the others army that way when the battle starts they have to quickly see what they have and have to make it all work together.
Amazing match, but one thing I want to point out is that at the 30:00 mark when Tak should not have been able to overwatch against Calgar and his unit. the stratagem says it can be used when an enemy unit starts or ends a charge move within 24" of a friendly unit that is eligible to shoot as if it were its shooting phase. It does not say you can use it on declaration of a charge, the enemy unit must roll to charge and succeed so that it can then start its charge move. It's a new edition stuff happens as we saw and was explained at the beginning of the batrep with Stephen scout moving his Repulsor. Not trying to be mean just wanted to point out something i saw. Love you guys and your content, keep it up.
Another person commented about "charge rolls" versus "charge move" and brought up really good points as you have here about when "Fire Overwatch" occurs. I appreciate everyone who is helping us be better at the game and understand the rules. We have a very interesting interaction here. In terms of sequencing, we could have declared the charge and done the charge roll first and he could have rolled his 3" (with engagement range 4") and that would have been deemed successful and thus it would be okay to do the Overwatch. However, then, due to hazardous I lose a model and thus the 4" is not sufficient to end the charge move. But this happens after the "charge roll" which essentially means, yes, he could have started the "charge move". But then can he still move? In Horus Heresy it clearly states you can move if a charge is failed. In 40k it doesn't seem to say you can, but it doesn't say you can't. How would you play this? Inquisitive minds want to know.
Stephen is such a class act, love to see him on this channel some more if/when the opportunity arises~! Great match to both the players definitely one to re-watch as there's just a bevy of tips and tricks shown off here. I guess leave it to Vanguard Tactics to show off their tactical acumen with such good sportsmanship to boot!
I get the feeling that the Calgar side of the table might have been a bit closer without the 4+ FnP on the robots, but great game. 40k in 40mins is probably the best form of 40K replay. Must be a pain to cull down all the footage to get the end result.
This entire episode just made me want a "from 0s to heroes" episode. Like the guys take the worst units of an army and try to strategize a way to use them in unique and meaningful ways
have to say this is one of the best showing ive seen of warhammer 40k. Amazing sportsmanship , very entertaining , educative , and made me laugh and stayed on the edge of my seat amazing .
Definitely have Stephen back! He was a real pleasure to watch. Great sportsmanship and he seems to have an excellent knowledge of the game. The moustache was a nice touch as well.
Stephen Box is THE MAN! Hes very classy keeping his cool and helping Tak defeat him. Stephen never let up with his determination to keep fighting and grabbing points, despite his dice rolls going against him!! Well played, Tak!
PlayOnTebletop are the best! They made what seemed impossible: they made miniatures wargames reports thrilling like sports matches! Even players dress up like professional sportsmen! That's fabulous, miraculous, awesome!
Well, it seems like the Admech players cheated by misunderstanding some rules it seems, some passives and buffs should not apply to some units. Honest mistakes , but that is one of the reasons.
There certainly was no intention to cheat but yes some rules were done incorrectly. The Kastellan Robots do not have faction: doctrina imperatives, and do not have a Feel No Pain 4+ though luckily for the game itself the Robots died Turn One. The Overwatch issue is something both us and Vanguard Tactics are looking to get clarified with the powers that be. We obviously do want to have as clean a game as possible and be as accurate as possible.
@@PlayOnTabletop ofc, it was obviusly a honest unintentional mistake, was a great game i play ad mech, but the Space marine player was Superb, great plays
Not sure if anyone has said it but the graphics to visualise what buffs are being put on what unit and by whom are so helpful, sometimes the play is so fast and it can be hard to keep up when it’s an army that isn’t mine!
Hmm Squad Tactic is not a core stratagem, it's from Gladius Task Force. You can only activate it if an enemy unit is ends a move within 9" of yours. And it cannot be used if you're in engagement range. So in this case it wasn't a correct move (around 22:24)
I believe Stephen was playing Gladius Task Force as that is the only one available to Space Marines currently and when the Destroyers fell back out of engagement range is when he triggered Squad Tactics. The Destroyers were within 9" of the Bladeguard Veterans. Does that clarify or did we miss something else? Thanks for letting us know.
@@PlayOnTabletop Hmmm indeed, I've replayed and did not noticed the small fall back which then allow him to activate it. So yep, apart from the strata description that was a bit confusing, everything looks good :)
Tonoite on POT gear Stephen plays the upside down toilet symbol space marines Tak takes his necron/mechanicus fanservice a bit too far And Steve becomes fan-favorite punching bag, Cato Sicarius
Great Video! Really hoping one of these videos, Tak's marines will bring a giant ship to transport a dreadnought into battle, just because I find that really cool for some reason.
You are right! I did miss that! Sorry! They don't have Faction: Doctrina Imperatives. Even the Servitors have it so I thought it was army wide but I was wrong.
LOL. I thought we finally got passed the distinctions between Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii but on further review I found at least two datasheets that do not have faction: doctrina imperatives. I can only assume it is on purpose but it strikes me as strange as even servitors have the faction ability. If it is not on purpose someone needs to let someone know. Okay so it looks like all Cult Mechanicus units EXCEPT the Kataphrons don't have the faction ability. Geebus. That changes things for future builds
30:10 In 10th, you Overwatch not when the Charge is declared (like it was in 9th), but when a unit starts or ends a Charge move. So you first roll for Charge, see if it's successful, and if it is, then the opponent can Overwatch. And even if the Overwatch makes the distance too long for the Charging unit to end within Engagement Range, it still can make the move and then fight (covering the needed distance with pile-in).
@@pepi560 It's because at that point, the Charge roll was already made and deemed successful. Overwatch specifically says it's used when a unit starts or ends Charge Move. The unit already begins to move, and *that's* when Overwatch happens - so the unit can continue to move after Overwatch was done. And it can fight because it has made a Charge Move - any units that made a Charge move can fight as per Fight Phase rules, even if there are no enemies in Engagement Range - and pile-in is a part of the Fight.
The issue is with bullet 2 of the table on page 29 of the core rule book. "If the distance rolled is insufficient to move within Engagement Range ... the charge fails". Remember that pile in moves are in the "fight phase" not the charge phase so they cannot be added to the distance to determine success in the "charge phase". This is irrespective of a model that may have been there when the charge is declared because when the charging unit goes to move if that model is no longer there, so is it's engagement range. Thus, the charge is failed.
@@PlayOnTabletop Bullet points are shortened for quick referense, but they shouldn't be used for deciding on such specific interactions like this one. From the rules proper: "If any of these conditions cannot be met, the charge fails and no models in the charging unit move this phase. _Otherwise,_ the charge is successful and the models in the charging unit _make a Charge move_ " It's all about the sequencing. You first check if the Charge is sucessful. You roll and see the result if it's enough - if it is, you can move. _After_ this, after the models were already allowed to move, the opponent gets to Overwatch. As for the move itself, the only things written about it are: "move each model a distance in inches up to the result of the Charge roll. When doing so, each model in the charging unit must end its Charge move closer to one of the units selected as a target of its charge." Nothing in the description of the move itself says that you can't do it if you can't reach Engagement Range - it's only stated in the description of the roll that allows that move, but that step has already passed. Again. Overwatch is done when a unit _starts a move_ . And if a unit already started the move, it can finish it, no pre-conditions matter. If Overwatch could make it so the target unit doesn't get to move, it would mean that Overwatch shouldn't have been possible as the target unit doesn't move.
Fascinating. You are right that there is a distinction between the "Charge Roll" used to determine success and then the "Charge Move" which is the actual move. So during the Charge Roll step the condition is met. Then at the "start" of the Charge Move "Fire Overwatch" happens. But, which is the very interesting point you bring up - the "Charge Roll" has already determined success. In Horus Heresy there is very clear writing that you still move after a charge is failed but in 40k it doesn't state verbatim that you can move even if the condition is not met, but it doesn't say you cannot move either. I would be fascinated to hear what the rules writers think or intended here. I have not come across your interpretation of this before and I can now clearly see how you came to it. We have not played it as such before. Thank you for clearly noting all of this and I think we will be having an interesting conversation ahead.
This was awesome to be part of and thank you so much Play on and Tak for an amazing game. It was hilarious filming this and can’t wait until next time.
Thank you for making this collaboration possible.
Love these colabs
I sorry that the Steven/Stephen curse touched your dice 😅 Well played
Me too!@@rubyayoko8536
Don't break yourself over the Scout move, I accidentally cheated exactly the same way in my first game by putting Incursors into a Repulsor Executioner.
What I absolutely love about this match is the pure sportsmanship and camaraderie that both Tak and Stephen bring to the table - you can feel the respect each has for their opponent in every dice roll! I have huge appreciation for both Vanguard Tactics and Play On for what they do for the hobby, I got into 40k because of Play On's Intro to 9th edition video, and watching high-skill, high-sportsmanship games like this keeps me motivated and enthused even when my Death Guard are being shot to pieces by pesky space eleves...😂 Thanks both!
Very much appreciate that you like what we are putting down. There is something special about a game that flies someone across an ocean to play across a table from you. You want to roll dice, have fun, and enjoy that time together. Stephen Box was an amazing guest and we definitely enjoyed his time in the studio.
This is pretty much what I love about this channel and the people in a nutshell.
Fun games, fun and joking banter and *sportsmanship*.
Having fun is so much more important to these guys than winning and it makes the games so much better.
100% agree here. Finally pulled the trigger and bought the Infernus Marine 3 pack with paint after watching their how-to for 10th. These guys and Live and Let's Dice are always so positive and welcoming and are instrumental in getting me into 40k
This was super fun to watch. Stephen’s high level play left me on the edge of my seat. If a few rolls went his way this game would have been very different. I love you’re batreps play on. Keep the sweet videos coming.
Lots of good learning moments from Stephen in this one. He did great to grab points every turn.
21:43
Tak: “So I’m going to do the-“
Stephen: 🥸
Strange what you find lying around a TH-cam studio.
Best bit is the sudden inclusion of the hats with nothing being said 😆
What hats?
To think all this started because the Ultramarines got their hands on a Toaster oven that makes the perfect blueberry muffins, can't have anything around the Mechanicus
The Mechanicus want all the nice things for themselves
Tech must have put that air fryer out in the middle of the board...
Ultramarine plugs Toaster in.
Toaster: ''Ahahaha! I am online once again! Tremble, world, before my heating coil of doom!'' ;p
I've been tempted to get Ceylon heads 3D printed for a Necron list, specifically so I can bring AdMech their Toasters.
youtube warham games are always drawn out and boring. It's a lot of shuffling around, throwing dice, comparing results etc.
This format is GREAT.
It's fast, snappy, skips a lot of the "dead" time.
Unlike almost every other channel, this was actually really engaging!
AND an Admech win???? I'm astounded!
We do think we have created a format that is entertaining. Glad you like it. There are different formats for different tastes and there is a lot of great personalities out there in the TH-cam world and we enjoy the little niche we have carved for ourselves here.
Admech won partially due to super hot rolls by Tak, but also a little of the "uh no, you cannot do that" new rules syndrome.
Man Steven really pulled it out of the bag to reach round 5 that man knows his tactics 👍 awful awful rolling 😂
He played incredibly well and it was great to learn from him.
love the sportsmanship shown in these matches. It seems like everyone just loves to play and enjoys the stories told on the tabletop. That is exactly how it should be. Love the energy.
The sportsmanship of this match is heartwarming and the banter is gut warming, in that I was chuckling a lot. Absolutely the kinda content we should be seeing well done guys!
This was a highlight game for us too. We got to learn and laugh at the same time.
That was the most entertaining game yet! The sportsmanship of Stephen while playing with Steve's dice!
That was sooooo close. I thought it was done by turn 3, but Stephen kept the game going when he could have legitimately thrown in the towel. A great game and a great model of sportsmanship!
I have never seen so many ones rolled in a single game, holy cow. I could feel the frustration through the screen by the end, really feel for VT. Excellent sportsmanship regardless, great game!
Stephen should just go ahead and be part of PlayOn
Agreed haha
@VanguardTactics wait? Really?
Vanguard on Tabletop??
Vanguard on Tabletop needs to be a thing now
@@PlayOnTabletop make it happen ,let's go!
Simply the BEST 40k content channel on the internet.
Indeed!
Took me too long to get around to this video.
That being said, when Steve gives tak some pointers, and jt says something about it, then says it's the best way to play, I couldn't agree more.
There is very little better things on this earth than when you're playing a superior player, or more experienced, or whatever, and they start teaching you tips and tricks to improve.
It's amazing.
The other week I was playing a competitive team player. I hadn't played since 5th edition and just got back in. He played tsons vs my blood angels.
Yea, sure he won. But once he realized how much better and more experienced he was, he started giving me tactical advice. I learned so much.
Neither of us lost. He won the game, but I learned more. It was great.
This is great for a new player to listen to the tactical talk on decisions and get into the heads of more experienced players. Especially with my first escalation tournament coming up!
I was so happy to see the new episode be Ad Mech
The moustache moment really caught me 😂 top class game all round, excellent work!
Passive distractions are a tactic after all. :)
You guys should do a battle between Miniwargamer Dave (Chaos space marines) and Steve (Blood angels) on who has the correct usage of blood, sacrifice or consumption.
What great sportsmanship, what a good game. The dice roll gods are against this dude from the very start.
I don’t know if y’all have done this or not but what if the two opponents build the others army that way when the battle starts they have to quickly see what they have and have to make it all work together.
Interesting idea and would be fun to do in the future
You could make that a series of you don’t have any better ideas
Amazing match, but one thing I want to point out is that at the 30:00 mark when Tak should not have been able to overwatch against Calgar and his unit. the stratagem says it can be used when an enemy unit starts or ends a charge move within 24" of a friendly unit that is eligible to shoot as if it were its shooting phase. It does not say you can use it on declaration of a charge, the enemy unit must roll to charge and succeed so that it can then start its charge move. It's a new edition stuff happens as we saw and was explained at the beginning of the batrep with Stephen scout moving his Repulsor. Not trying to be mean just wanted to point out something i saw. Love you guys and your content, keep it up.
Another person commented about "charge rolls" versus "charge move" and brought up really good points as you have here about when "Fire Overwatch" occurs. I appreciate everyone who is helping us be better at the game and understand the rules. We have a very interesting interaction here.
In terms of sequencing, we could have declared the charge and done the charge roll first and he could have rolled his 3" (with engagement range 4") and that would have been deemed successful and thus it would be okay to do the Overwatch.
However, then, due to hazardous I lose a model and thus the 4" is not sufficient to end the charge move. But this happens after the "charge roll" which essentially means, yes, he could have started the "charge move". But then can he still move?
In Horus Heresy it clearly states you can move if a charge is failed. In 40k it doesn't seem to say you can, but it doesn't say you can't. How would you play this? Inquisitive minds want to know.
Yes finally the Admech are here. I hope to see them more they looked amazed.
That sass on the Steve Marine though.....Oh my god I felt that. lol. Fantastic match.
Tak seemed to have more fun that time around. The slower playstyle allowing a little more relax and banter time I think. GG both, massively enjoyed
Man, that was kind of a nailbiter. Love y'all's videos.
Stephen and Tak look like extras in a Killers music video with the hats and staches lmao.
Stephen is such a class act, love to see him on this channel some more if/when the opportunity arises~! Great match to both the players definitely one to re-watch as there's just a bevy of tips and tricks shown off here. I guess leave it to Vanguard Tactics to show off their tactical acumen with such good sportsmanship to boot!
He is such a nice guy!
And they say England doesn’t have guns… Stephen clearly brought two with him.
The most Steve-touched rolls I've seen in a while.
That was the sassiest "Onto the tank." I've ever heard.
Stephens mustache and Taks look at it just killed me 😂
That was an awesome matchup... came down to the very end... The dice were for sure telling stories in this battle!
I get the feeling that the Calgar side of the table might have been a bit closer without the 4+ FnP on the robots, but great game. 40k in 40mins is probably the best form of 40K replay. Must be a pain to cull down all the footage to get the end result.
This entire episode just made me want a "from 0s to heroes" episode. Like the guys take the worst units of an army and try to strategize a way to use them in unique and meaningful ways
Great game as always. I love it at 15:13, a face only a Brit could make.
It's hard to tell if he was legitimately upset or playing into the joke. But I laughed.
@@Bonesawisready926 Either way it was great. I got a good laugh too.
That was a shocking battle report, it was amazing to see how much sportsmanship radiated from Vanguard tactics!
I was painting guardsmen while I was watching/listening, and when I looked back up at the game the hats and mustaches made me double take
I love the collabs happening for 10th! This one being tops!
love seeing Steven Box on Play On! Such a great competitor and great sportsmanship.
I am really fond of Stephen from vanguard. Great job inviting him over!
And we are inviting him again!
Stephen is just FUN, I like this guy! Great sport too!
We like him too
Thanks so much
the emperor had nothing on the Omnissiah for this game
this was one of my favoured battle report to watch with the amazing sportsmanship and tactics. Plus wow Dice tell Stories.
have to say this is one of the best showing ive seen of warhammer 40k. Amazing sportsmanship , very entertaining , educative , and made me laugh and stayed on the edge of my seat amazing .
Definitely have Stephen back! He was a real pleasure to watch. Great sportsmanship and he seems to have an excellent knowledge of the game. The moustache was a nice touch as well.
He is welcome anytime
Man this episode was like watching Tombstone. Good stuff!
the editing and commentary for this was phenomenal! putting official gw content to shame!
Stephen Box is THE MAN! Hes very classy keeping his cool and helping Tak defeat him. Stephen never let up with his determination to keep fighting and grabbing points, despite his dice rolls going against him!! Well played, Tak!
Little known fact, Stephen is also beloved children's TV character Basil Brush
Would really like to see another super game 2v2 6000 points crazy game. I thought the multiple layers to the table was really interesting!
This channel is always a joy to watch.
The people want to see the voice of play on, JT play the mighty DRUKHARI!
PlayOnTebletop are the best! They made what seemed impossible: they made miniatures wargames reports thrilling like sports matches! Even players dress up like professional sportsmen! That's fabulous, miraculous, awesome!
one of the best playon games of tenth! I love tactical play, so, so much. keep this high level gaming coming pls
I stopped paying attention for a few minutes and now there are hats and mustaches and I'm too afraid to go back and find out why.. lol
It was nice to see the admech perform well!
Well, it seems like the Admech players cheated by misunderstanding some rules it seems, some passives and buffs should not apply to some units. Honest mistakes , but that is one of the reasons.
There certainly was no intention to cheat but yes some rules were done incorrectly. The Kastellan Robots do not have faction: doctrina imperatives, and do not have a Feel No Pain 4+ though luckily for the game itself the Robots died Turn One. The Overwatch issue is something both us and Vanguard Tactics are looking to get clarified with the powers that be.
We obviously do want to have as clean a game as possible and be as accurate as possible.
@@PlayOnTabletop ofc, it was obviusly a honest unintentional mistake, was a great game i play ad mech, but the Space marine player was Superb, great plays
What a great game! And those armies are beautifully painted!!
AdMech pull it off! Great game! Rare to see the toaster boys pull out a win this edition.
The hat and the mustache are killng my 😂tanks guys
Not sure if anyone has said it but the graphics to visualise what buffs are being put on what unit and by whom are so helpful, sometimes the play is so fast and it can be hard to keep up when it’s an army that isn’t mine!
most fun video to date without question! And the Ad Mechs won!!! Go 10th gen!
steven once said you don’t loose games to dice rolls. I think this kinda disproves that
Even I can be wrong haha and I’m sure I had some mistakes somewhere we could have changed the result.
@@VanguardTactics fair nuff. lady luck can be fickle at those critical moments
Fantastic Game! Love these competitive lists! Definitely need Steven in more games! Well done Play On!
2:47 I disagree Tak! Your Adeptus Mechanicus army was my friends exact list in 9th, and I literally never beat him in the 10+ games we held.
Hmm Squad Tactic is not a core stratagem, it's from Gladius Task Force. You can only activate it if an enemy unit is ends a move within 9" of yours. And it cannot be used if you're in engagement range. So in this case it wasn't a correct move (around 22:24)
I believe Stephen was playing Gladius Task Force as that is the only one available to Space Marines currently and when the Destroyers fell back out of engagement range is when he triggered Squad Tactics. The Destroyers were within 9" of the Bladeguard Veterans. Does that clarify or did we miss something else? Thanks for letting us know.
@@PlayOnTabletop Hmmm indeed, I've replayed and did not noticed the small fall back which then allow him to activate it. So yep, apart from the strata description that was a bit confusing, everything looks good :)
4 months late…I love how they put on mustaches and hats, ha ha ha! I’m dying! Love this!
Such an awesome game loved it. One thing that I'd love to see is the guard with all cavalry led by lord solar himself vs who knows what.
Great game and good to see an opponent winning vs Oath of Moment to show it’s not totally broken.
Tonoite on POT gear
Stephen plays the upside down toilet symbol space marines
Tak takes his necron/mechanicus fanservice a bit too far
And Steve becomes fan-favorite punching bag, Cato Sicarius
Such a great match. Amazing match with the skill, sportsmanship, and love of the game. Can't wait to see more of their matches.
Wow. That's impressive for admech. First battle report I've sent where someone got tabled.
Great Video! Really hoping one of these videos, Tak's marines will bring a giant ship to transport a dreadnought into battle, just because I find that really cool for some reason.
I just need to get my hands on "the one"
How have they not thrown out all the orange dice by now
Would like to see Custodes. Thanks for considering!
holy shit, that was a great game. What a back and forth
The robots dont get the doctrina buff, since they advanced they shouldnt have shot turn 1. That being said, so happy to see ad mech on the table 😊
You are right! I did miss that! Sorry! They don't have Faction: Doctrina Imperatives. Even the Servitors have it so I thought it was army wide but I was wrong.
@@PlayOnTabletop good Ole 2/3rds army rule striking again :)
@@PlayOnTabletopIt should be army wide! Why does GW not live robots like they should?? 😅
LOL. I thought we finally got passed the distinctions between Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii but on further review I found at least two datasheets that do not have faction: doctrina imperatives. I can only assume it is on purpose but it strikes me as strange as even servitors have the faction ability. If it is not on purpose someone needs to let someone know.
Okay so it looks like all Cult Mechanicus units EXCEPT the Kataphrons don't have the faction ability. Geebus. That changes things for future builds
@@PlayOnTabletopI thought the cybernetic datasmith gives then doctrina?
Thank you for another awesome battle report!
Quality game, lot of fun to watch! Loved it
I'm really enjoying these! Great armies! Great players! MORE!
Please keep adding the "Arc" soundtrack in the future! It is so good and fits 40k so well!
21:42 “oh here’s something interesting”
Indeed
😂😂
Omg 😂 22:41
This is absolutely awesome to watch!
I would love to see more of spacewolfes though ;)
Im just here for the moustaches and hats
Good game! Looking forward to more ad mech games! :)
Really enjoyed watching this game, great job!
30:10
In 10th, you Overwatch not when the Charge is declared (like it was in 9th), but when a unit starts or ends a Charge move. So you first roll for Charge, see if it's successful, and if it is, then the opponent can Overwatch. And even if the Overwatch makes the distance too long for the Charging unit to end within Engagement Range, it still can make the move and then fight (covering the needed distance with pile-in).
Is this really true? Can you explain which rules interaction allows you to end outside of combat range and then pile in?
@@pepi560 It's because at that point, the Charge roll was already made and deemed successful. Overwatch specifically says it's used when a unit starts or ends Charge Move. The unit already begins to move, and *that's* when Overwatch happens - so the unit can continue to move after Overwatch was done.
And it can fight because it has made a Charge Move - any units that made a Charge move can fight as per Fight Phase rules, even if there are no enemies in Engagement Range - and pile-in is a part of the Fight.
The issue is with bullet 2 of the table on page 29 of the core rule book. "If the distance rolled is insufficient to move within Engagement Range ... the charge fails". Remember that pile in moves are in the "fight phase" not the charge phase so they cannot be added to the distance to determine success in the "charge phase". This is irrespective of a model that may have been there when the charge is declared because when the charging unit goes to move if that model is no longer there, so is it's engagement range. Thus, the charge is failed.
@@PlayOnTabletop Bullet points are shortened for quick referense, but they shouldn't be used for deciding on such specific interactions like this one. From the rules proper:
"If any of these conditions cannot be met, the charge fails and no models in the charging unit move this phase. _Otherwise,_ the
charge is successful and the models in the charging unit _make a Charge move_ "
It's all about the sequencing. You first check if the Charge is sucessful. You roll and see the result if it's enough - if it is, you can move. _After_ this, after the models were already allowed to move, the opponent gets to Overwatch.
As for the move itself, the only things written about it are:
"move each model a distance in inches up to the result of the Charge roll. When doing so, each model in the charging unit must end its Charge move closer to one of the units selected as a target of its charge."
Nothing in the description of the move itself says that you can't do it if you can't reach Engagement Range - it's only stated in the description of the roll that allows that move, but that step has already passed.
Again. Overwatch is done when a unit _starts a move_ . And if a unit already started the move, it can finish it, no pre-conditions matter. If Overwatch could make it so the target unit doesn't get to move, it would mean that Overwatch shouldn't have been possible as the target unit doesn't move.
Fascinating. You are right that there is a distinction between the "Charge Roll" used to determine success and then the "Charge Move" which is the actual move. So during the Charge Roll step the condition is met. Then at the "start" of the Charge Move "Fire Overwatch" happens. But, which is the very interesting point you bring up - the "Charge Roll" has already determined success.
In Horus Heresy there is very clear writing that you still move after a charge is failed but in 40k it doesn't state verbatim that you can move even if the condition is not met, but it doesn't say you cannot move either.
I would be fascinated to hear what the rules writers think or intended here. I have not come across your interpretation of this before and I can now clearly see how you came to it. We have not played it as such before. Thank you for clearly noting all of this and I think we will be having an interesting conversation ahead.
Round one, machine spirit STRONG with Admech
Man I wanted to be a black templar. I look forward to more 40k content. Stoked for this game.
Another victim of the orange dice. Hard fought, though.
man your guys videos are the best.
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Im still learning the rules, but this was the most intense battle rep so far, for me at least.
Awesome. Fun to see the underdog winning but tak really needs to stop winning all the time
If I was the Vanguard tactics guy those dice would go into a incenerator and any ashes would be buried in some already cursed soil >.>
Biodegradable dice. Maybe we are onto something here.
Really fun game! Hope you bring Stephen back again.
Good game! Those orange dice are cursed though.
You guys might wanna salt test those dice and potentially buy a new set of orange ones 😂. That was painful to watch.
So I'm going to do thee...... omg I died there lmao