If you think about it, it really is. Life's worst and best aspects mixed together into ultimately random and pointless ways, that accomplish nothing more than propagating it's own existence.
If you really boil it down Chaos in 40k is basically the insecurities, fears, and secretive dark desires of all sentient life made into a physical form. Which is actually one of the most appealing aspects of 40k for me, that in essence we created our own monsters. If those that came before had been more responsible, and had more foresight we wouldn't be stuck in this mess. Almost reminiscent of real life in that aspect.
@@MrKbonez well. it was my mom's generation who found it genius to demand licences on shotguns , and now i can't even build a fucking musket without enough paperwork to build a fucking papermache musket.
@Derfel Cadarn Both the generations of the past and today are shit. Our fathers sold out our civilisations to hucksters who promised world peace and fast food in exchange for liberty and autonomy while the generations of today are selfish, undisciplined fuckwits who believe anything and everything they see on TV/the internet. Unironically we need a second dark age.
Chaos is what happens when you mix sexual fluids, contradictory bullshit and tons of acid and giving the resulting nightmare with sentience......also brussel sprouts.
Korn is a North American cereal plant that yields large grains, or kernels, set in rows on a cob. Its many varieties yield numerous products, highly valued for both human and livestock consumption.
I've often thought it weird that the violent middle ages of earth were the catalyst for the formation of the first 3 gods. That seems kind of like a hangover from warhammer fantasy that should never have made its way into 40k. It doesn't make sense that the comparatively insignificant events of little old medieval earth would have any influence on anything when stuff like the war in heaven has already happened, and galactic wars between eldar and orks and such were already on going. The psychic emanations of one medieval planet's worth of people, no matter how violent, would be barely a drop in the ocean next to those veritable oceans of slaughter involving tens of thousands or millions of planets worth of individuals.
Really makes me curious what the Warp would be like in other galaxies. Since it's a reflection of the sentient lifeforms there, their gods might be of completely different natures, perhaps even benevolent, depending on what form their own mental states take. Hell, you'd expect there to be plenty of galaxies with pre-"War in Heaven"-like Warp states, if no events to trigger the malevolent transformation of the Warp took place in their respective galaxies. Well, unless they were visited by the Tyranids, of course. The Warp of such galaxies would probably be quite calm, stagnant, even empty.
One thing I don't understand is the weird relationship between Chaos Space Marines/Warbands and Daemons. Why are Daemons hostile to them? Even if they worship the same Chaos god. and why at other times do they cooperate with each other? also, I think it should also be made clear that not everyone that fell to Chaos, fell willingly. Some were tricked, such as the Thousand Sons, and others like the Death Guard were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some human even worship Chaos and don't even realize they are doing it until its too late
To give a long, but simple answer: because madness is always contradicting itself. It would not be Chaos, if it´s followers weren´t chaotic. They are hostile to each other because, to quote one of the greater daemons of Tzeentch, "the Gods of the Warp require them to", just as they require every other faction to be violent and hostile, wrecking havoc upon their enemies and one another, leaving only anarchy in their trail. It´s all part of the Greater Game; the Ruinous Powers feast upon the conflicts of every mortal, be it their followers or their enemies. They can, however, forge alliances with one another, for personal gain ... or while just following a whim. You can´t predict the Chaos, thus the option of forming alliances must be possible. If not, Chaos worshippers would become predictable. In other instances, Chaos can become predictable, because no one would predict that they would be predictable. Abaddon´s Black Crusades are a good example. They are almost like seasons of wether; heck, how many times did he try to conquer the imperium already? 17 times? Can´t remember anymore, damn often at least. Last but not least, the worshippers of Chaos try to impress their daemonic patrons by commiting violent and .... otherwise sinister acts I don´t want to describe further. They fight among themselves to proof their worth to the Ruinous Powers. And, of course, to entertain these dark masters, like gladiators in old Rom. In essence, Chaos is selfcontradicting. It has to be. Or it could be. Or maybe, it sometimes will be, other times it won´t. Hard to tell, it´s unpredictable after all. You surely get what I´m trying to express.
Hang on a minute: We know per the 3rd Necron codex Krork/Orks and Aeldari's gods manifested toward the end of the War in Heaven, correct? So am I correct in the understanding that Gork, Mork, and Khaine are older (at least conscious-wise) than Khorne?
A demagogue is: "a political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument." It's not just a 40k thing.
Malus is also the chaos god of disbelief, as he was born from the universal denial of the existence of chaos by the imperium. In dark elf and dark Eldar society it is considered a great dishonor to become possessed unless you are a slave or servant. Bloodthirsters have a little psychic ability, it just comes in the form of a blood boiling scream and an axe that never dulls.
In my experiences, the chaos gods are: A smelly asshole A lovable nerd A hardcore Marquis De Sade fan And Your generic Demon who is an agro enthusiast.
Chaos is basically what would happen if you took the armies of Mordor from LOTR and The Banished from Halo Wars 2 and combined them together. In a sense.
@40kTheories can you do a video on Ghargatuloth there so little info on him I think I have ever only seen one Grey Knight book which featured him in it. Pretty please with the omnisiah on top.
2:03 Wait, the Kroot have Warp travel? Why don't their Tau masters use it, then? I know that the Tau have a diminutive presence in the warp. Does that mean they lack navigators because they aren't psychically/have no psykers? But even if so, why not just use Kroot navigators then?
In lore do demons appearance vary by the aspect of their respective God? (Like for example plaugebearers embodying hopelessness side of nurgle look slightly more necrotic or keepers of secrets embodying pain side of slaneesh looking more beastlike?)
Question: when you kill a Demon who has inhabited a host eg. a Gal Vorbak do you actual kill it or are you just sending it back into the Warp? Also, is this the same for a Demon who has entered normal space without using a host?
Nuffle because he is ironically the most powerful of all Chaos Gods. As the game itself is played using dice. Also because I like the absurdity of the Blood Bowl universe.
Horned Rat because he is secretly a clone of the god emperor and created the skaven and the underempire as a corrupted image of the species and imperium he cared for after falling to his darker more chaotic side. The Skaven Underempire is a grossly exaggerated version of the imperium with the horned rat being the leader with final say over his species while only ever acting in times of great importance like the emperor along with the fact he also has his own personal throne like the god emperor. Clan Skyre is the Adeptus Mechanicus. Clan Moulder is the Adeptus Astartes due to the Rat Ogres and Stormfiends wearing power armor and wielding Astartes grade weaponry while being genetically enhanced super soldiers with strength and size being similar if not superior to the space marines. Clan Eshin is the officio assassinorum. Clan Pestilens is the ecclesiarchy. Clan Mors is the Astra Militarum. The gray seers are the inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, and Adeptus arbites as they are the main religious body of the skaven and ensure the horned rats word is followed with utmost force.
I wonder about the awakening of Slaanesh, if it occurred during M30 shouldn't the Emperor taken greater notice? M30 would have put it firmly within the time of the Unification wars and the conquest of the Terran system. I mean there may not be much we could do about it but I'm pretty sure if Australia were suddenly disappear the rest of the world would go take a look to see what happened. At the very least you would think rather then letting one of the Primarchs find Cadia and the Eye of Terror he would have gone and checked that area for himself.
What if....The emperor allowed the chaos gods to abduct the infant primarchs? Its a bit convenient that Angron landed on the Nuscea, Lorgan on Colchis, Kurze on Prospero etc
Remleiz, i have a question for you, hope u could reply directly... With the rise of the Eldar's Death God, could it be possible they could now turn into Chaos?
40K Theories oh, from what i know if they join Chaos, they automatically die since Slaanesh consumes their souls. I never saw a Chaos Eldar. Iguess they would be just like the Dark Eldar
Easy answer, when law becomes tyranny chaos destroys it. After chaos will birth a new law...little do these fans know chaos and order are brothers that balance each other
Question about CSM: If a CSM is killed by a warrior of the Imperium of Man, why does he not have his Geneseed removed to be used by Loyalist instead of being left to rot? It could be used in new Space Marines.
The Imperium believes that traitor stock will make more traitors or at least flawed warriors and in many cases now it is probably corrupted beyond all usefulness.
Most Chaos Space Marines have spent 10000 hiding out in the Eye of Terror. Thats a little like licking a nuclear reactor constantly for 10000 years. CSM gene seed is mostly too flawed and tainted to be salvaged.
The part about Chaos geneseed being "corrupted beyond usefulness" was slightly retconned into being much less likely to be useable, but still can still sometimes be viable.
An Imperial citizen not only willingly watching a clearly heretical video about Chaos, but being the first one to comment on it too...congratulations heretic :^)
Arthur They're probably still out there, in some forgotten corner of the Warp. It's just that nobody cares about them enough to write them into a book. Way too minor for a galactic scale.
Where did you did you find the lore about the origins of the Chaos Gods? I can't seem to find the information verifying your lore on any of the various wikipedias and lexicanum. I can't find info on the War in Heaven directly causing the births of Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle. I heard the old lore was retconned but could not find new information on the wikis. Last I heard, they awoke in the order of Nurgle, Khorne, and finally (allegedly) Tzeentch. This was supposedly mainly due to human shenanigans in the 2nd millennium with Slaanesh waking up far later due to Eldar murderfucking. Is this no longer the case? If you could provide sources on where you obtained this information (as well as explain why there is an apparent disparity between this video and the wikis), then I would be rather grateful.
In regards to the order and time period of their awakening it is detailed in the book Realms of Chaos: Lost and the Damned book and also supported in the Codex Chaos 2nd edition, the order of the Gods had not been retconned from anything I could find. In regards to the war in heaven creating them (the necron version not the craftworld version. I know its awkward when there's two separate events with the same name) This is partially mentioned in Codex Necrons 5th edition when the war in heaven resulted in numerous warp entities being created and beginning to take form as a result from the conflict, but mentioned in more detail in the 3rd edition Necron Codex where it states that the emotions of the old ones creations (Krork, Aeldari etc) began to manifest themselves within the warp towards the end of the war in heaven, and what entities did exist within the warp had changed into new forms becoming creatures that consume souls. It's also important to note that unless something new/recent has come out to contradict it old lore is still canon (as Gav Thorpe himself stated when he was on our podcast on Tactica Imperialis channel)
Internet Zen Master If new lore contradicts old lore, then it is a retcon that supercedes older lore, but only if said contradictory lore is confirmed as being factually canon; the canonicity of all other unconfirmed instances are left open to debate as they may be the result of poor writing or part of an attempt, deliberate or otherwise, to obfuscate the true canon.
2:35: "We used to have a Navigator to guide us through the Warp, but now the giant eyeball on the ship's hull does that for us."
In a nutshell: The internet
woke as fuck!
If you think about it, it really is. Life's worst and best aspects mixed together into ultimately random and pointless ways, that accomplish nothing more than propagating it's own existence.
The normal internet is the webway. The darknet is the warp.
So what does that make the Orks' 'WAAAGH!! field/WAAAGH!! Warp'? 4chan & other -chan sites?
No, 90s Internet Dial up.
What is Chaos? Baby don't purge me don't purge me no more....
If you really boil it down Chaos in 40k is basically the insecurities, fears, and secretive dark desires of all sentient life made into a physical form.
Which is actually one of the most appealing aspects of 40k for me, that in essence we created our own monsters. If those that came before had been more responsible, and had more foresight we wouldn't be stuck in this mess. Almost reminiscent of real life in that aspect.
Ooooh, chaos as pollution, psychic pollution that is. Nice simile.
Yes, all your woes are due to the sins of your fathers. How millennial of you.
@@MrKbonez He's got a point, though. And every generation is like that. I can't tell you how bitchy Gen X could get when they were younger.
@@MrKbonez well. it was my mom's generation who found it genius to demand licences on shotguns , and now i can't even build a fucking musket without enough paperwork to build a fucking papermache musket.
@Derfel Cadarn
Both the generations of the past and today are shit. Our fathers sold out our civilisations to hucksters who promised world peace and fast food in exchange for liberty and autonomy while the generations of today are selfish, undisciplined fuckwits who believe anything and everything they see on TV/the internet.
Unironically we need a second dark age.
Ever since that book was reprinted, i'm excited to see what GW will do with Malice! 11, praise be unto him which consumes oneself.
wardogs667 probably use him to but butter since hes do edgy
A snake that eats its own tail.
The rat King ate him
Happy Horned Rat Day Everyone!
Yes Inquisitor, this youtuber right here. He not only spreads heresy, he seeks to corrupt the new comers!
Chaos is what happens when you mix sexual fluids, contradictory bullshit and tons of acid and giving the resulting nightmare with sentience......also brussel sprouts.
Mister Hamlicrazy123 you forvot blue cheese before you sleep.
Mister Hamlicrazy123 Brussel sprouts are the heretic's vegetable
I actualy lol'd
Korn is a North American cereal plant that yields large grains, or kernels, set in rows on a cob. Its many varieties yield numerous products, highly valued for both human and livestock consumption.
Rogal Dorn carried his father's broken body to the golden throne.
Magnus was the one who put him there.
Which one has a bike?
I love your lore videos and I especially love the format of them as well.
I've often thought it weird that the violent middle ages of earth were the catalyst for the formation of the first 3 gods. That seems kind of like a hangover from warhammer fantasy that should never have made its way into 40k. It doesn't make sense that the comparatively insignificant events of little old medieval earth would have any influence on anything when stuff like the war in heaven has already happened, and galactic wars between eldar and orks and such were already on going. The psychic emanations of one medieval planet's worth of people, no matter how violent, would be barely a drop in the ocean next to those veritable oceans of slaughter involving tens of thousands or millions of planets worth of individuals.
Slaanesh theme song: "I'm an immaterial girl living in an immaterial world"
....Ready my Knight Errant. This requires purging.
*kill all heretics brothers and sisters*
Some chaos dude: "I feel the warp overtaking me!"
This shouldve been a one second video with a picture of REDACTED - HERESY
Lord Inquisitor Remlez is telling us about Chaos (or Choas?). What now? Mindwipe? Purging? Or good old exterminatus?
We're clearly part of his Inquisitorial retinue, now.
Really makes me curious what the Warp would be like in other galaxies. Since it's a reflection of the sentient lifeforms there, their gods might be of completely different natures, perhaps even benevolent, depending on what form their own mental states take. Hell, you'd expect there to be plenty of galaxies with pre-"War in Heaven"-like Warp states, if no events to trigger the malevolent transformation of the Warp took place in their respective galaxies. Well, unless they were visited by the Tyranids, of course. The Warp of such galaxies would probably be quite calm, stagnant, even empty.
One thing I don't understand is the weird relationship between Chaos Space Marines/Warbands and Daemons.
Why are Daemons hostile to them? Even if they worship the same Chaos god. and why at other times do they cooperate with each other?
also, I think it should also be made clear that not everyone that fell to Chaos, fell willingly. Some were tricked, such as the Thousand Sons, and others like the Death Guard were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some human even worship Chaos and don't even realize they are doing it until its too late
To give a long, but simple answer: because madness is always contradicting itself. It would not be Chaos, if it´s followers weren´t chaotic. They are hostile to each other because, to quote one of the greater daemons of Tzeentch, "the Gods of the Warp require them to", just as they require every other faction to be violent and hostile, wrecking havoc upon their enemies and one another, leaving only anarchy in their trail. It´s all part of the Greater Game; the Ruinous Powers feast upon the conflicts of every mortal, be it their followers or their enemies.
They can, however, forge alliances with one another, for personal gain ... or while just following a whim. You can´t predict the Chaos, thus the option of forming alliances must be possible. If not, Chaos worshippers would become predictable.
In other instances, Chaos can become predictable, because no one would predict that they would be predictable. Abaddon´s Black Crusades are a good example. They are almost like seasons of wether; heck, how many times did he try to conquer the imperium already? 17 times? Can´t remember anymore, damn often at least.
Last but not least, the worshippers of Chaos try to impress their daemonic patrons by commiting violent and .... otherwise sinister acts I don´t want to describe further. They fight among themselves to proof their worth to the Ruinous Powers. And, of course, to entertain these dark masters, like gladiators in old Rom.
In essence, Chaos is selfcontradicting. It has to be. Or it could be. Or maybe, it sometimes will be, other times it won´t. Hard to tell, it´s unpredictable after all. You surely get what I´m trying to express.
C.E.R.N. is opening a Warp Rift.
This can only lead to one thing....
More
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
HERESY!!!!!!!!!
...All... is... duuuuuust.
Blood, blood, blood, BLOOD, BLOOD, BLOOD, *BLOOD*
*HERSEY*
ITS NOTHING CITIZEN PLEASE REPORT TO THE ARBITES OFFICE FOR FURTHER INFORMATION. NOW.
*POKES WITH A LONG PIECE OF PURIFIED SHARPENED ROD*
Looking forward to your “What are Space Marines” video.
Hang on a minute:
We know per the 3rd Necron codex Krork/Orks and Aeldari's gods manifested toward the end of the War in Heaven, correct?
So am I correct in the understanding that Gork, Mork, and Khaine are older (at least conscious-wise) than Khorne?
Correct
Well great. Now I've got this mental image of Gork and Mork looking at Khorne like an estranged 'little brother' stuck in my head...
cool, another lore video
Travis Fisher another video*
Happy SlaaneshMass
A demagogue is: "a political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument." It's not just a 40k thing.
good video from a old nerd! I hope newcomers learn a bit -and to my old nerd be nice and help the new blood
Malus is also the chaos god of disbelief, as he was born from the universal denial of the existence of chaos by the imperium. In dark elf and dark Eldar society it is considered a great dishonor to become possessed unless you are a slave or servant. Bloodthirsters have a little psychic ability, it just comes in the form of a blood boiling scream and an axe that never dulls.
Robert Pavao malus is no longer Cannon and it's new lore stand in isn't a chaos good
What a description. At least one person knows the true colors behind Chaos.
In my experiences, the chaos gods are:
A smelly asshole
A lovable nerd
A hardcore Marquis De Sade fan
And
Your generic Demon who is an agro enthusiast.
I've been meaning to ak for a while and this seems like the best place: where did you get those four images you use to represent the Chaos Gods?
BROTHER! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! YOU SPREAD THE LORE OF CHAOS! YOU HERETIC!*fires Storm Bolter*
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Nurgle (in my opinion) is the only “moral” chaos god
Chaos is basically what would happen if you took the armies of Mordor from LOTR and The Banished from Halo Wars 2 and combined them together. In a sense.
@40kTheories can you do a video on Ghargatuloth there so little info on him I think I have ever only seen one Grey Knight book which featured him in it. Pretty please with the omnisiah on top.
Who's Ghargatuloth?
I have a question: What do you hink of the If the Emperor Had a Text-To-Speech Device series?
2:34 If that doesn't spot any incoming vessel from a system away I'm gonna lose all faith in the warp.
Great Intro Video for people new to the Lore
Do you guys have a video on Psykers coming up? I would love to watch that.
Chaos is something you want to never meet ever
I mean, I think most orks would be very happy to meet chaos, especially khorne
what's the artwork in 7:11? The Ultramarine bottom left has got a helmet looking like those of Primaris?
Phreak Azoith battle of calth box set artwork
I've been waiting for this
Past Self, choosing to eat dinner while watching this was a bad idea
Ultimate Apocalypse did a fantastic job
Anyone else noticed that all the gods minus slaneesh have a toothed mouth encompasing their heads
2:03 Wait, the Kroot have Warp travel? Why don't their Tau masters use it, then? I know that the Tau have a diminutive presence in the warp. Does that mean they lack navigators because they aren't psychically/have no psykers? But even if so, why not just use Kroot navigators then?
This is such a good video that im going to watch it twice
Ben Runciman heresy!
What is chaos? CHAOS IS OUR MASTER
I love how the 40k trailer has 40k views
More chaos lore please!
Yes yes yes!
I thought Nurgle awoke first.
Chaos is a room full of toddlers.
I always thought Nurgal was the oldest but oh well.
Gabriel Angelos He Is the nicest, nothing but 'blessings' and 'love'.
You forgot something, chaos has waffles
He knows too much! And now so do you! **BLAM!**
In lore do demons appearance vary by the aspect of their respective God? (Like for example plaugebearers embodying hopelessness side of nurgle look slightly more necrotic or keepers of secrets embodying pain side of slaneesh looking more beastlike?)
Question: when you kill a Demon who has inhabited a host eg. a Gal Vorbak do you actual kill it or are you just sending it back into the Warp? Also, is this the same for a Demon who has entered normal space without using a host?
ah okay. thanks
really? lol
I did not know that the kroot would warp travel. The more you know.
chaos is life
chaos is love
Who do you guys think is the best minor god?
Great Horned Rat, Malice or Nuffle?
I personally choose Nuffle, all hail the god of dices!
Malal/Malice
Nuffle because he is ironically the most powerful of all Chaos Gods. As the game itself is played using dice. Also because I like the absurdity of the Blood Bowl universe.
Or to quote 1d4chan: "The Four Chaos Gods themselves submit to his rule absolutely, and put aside the Great Game to focus on Nuffle's Big Game" ;)
Horned Rat because he is secretly a clone of the god emperor and created the skaven and the underempire as a corrupted image of the species and imperium he cared for after falling to his darker more chaotic side. The Skaven Underempire is a grossly exaggerated version of the imperium with the horned rat being the leader with final say over his species while only ever acting in times of great importance like the emperor along with the fact he also has his own personal throne like the god emperor. Clan Skyre is the Adeptus Mechanicus. Clan Moulder is the Adeptus Astartes due to the Rat Ogres and Stormfiends wearing power armor and wielding Astartes grade weaponry while being genetically enhanced super soldiers with strength and size being similar if not superior to the space marines. Clan Eshin is the officio assassinorum. Clan Pestilens is the ecclesiarchy. Clan Mors is the Astra Militarum. The gray seers are the inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, and Adeptus arbites as they are the main religious body of the skaven and ensure the horned rats word is followed with utmost force.
Hwee Kaptoored Eet Fhor Kay-oss!
Can you do another video about the Alpha Legion 3 Primarch theory? This theory exsist because the Hydra has 3 heads.
Maybe once I get a physical copy of Sons of the Hydra
The hard copies are coming out soon but you can already buy the ebook from black library.
Chaos is good, don't think about it too much. Embrace it!
I wonder about the awakening of Slaanesh, if it occurred during M30 shouldn't the Emperor taken greater notice?
M30 would have put it firmly within the time of the Unification wars and the conquest of the Terran system. I mean there may not be much we could do about it but I'm pretty sure if Australia were suddenly disappear the rest of the world would go take a look to see what happened. At the very least you would think rather then letting one of the Primarchs find Cadia and the Eye of Terror he would have gone and checked that area for himself.
It's what the Galaxy deserves!
Nothing's going to stop the forces of chaos destroying the Galaxy
Giving a philosophical nature of Chaos could have been more better but still a good video.
The problem with that is one could spend literal hours talking about the deeper philosophically aspects of Chaos in 40k.
Zeno Blues Just the Introduction would have been suffice.
--Ah Chaos,-- you mean Choas?
Chaos worshippers, such a bunch of lovely peeps. You should invite some over for tea honey.
Greetings,Imperial Citizens,what is going on in this thread? .. by the Emperor
HERESY DETECTED
Chaos aka the only true answer
What if....The emperor allowed the chaos gods to abduct the infant primarchs? Its a bit convenient that Angron landed on the Nuscea, Lorgan on Colchis, Kurze on Prospero etc
Magnus landed on Prospero not Kurze. Kurze landed on Nostromo.
Well... I got here early... BUT I CANT THINK OF ANYTHING TO WRITE
*Impurity* shall be our armour!
*Hate* shall be our Weapon!
*immortality* shall be our reward!
Remleiz, i have a question for you, hope u could reply directly...
With the rise of the Eldar's Death God, could it be possible they could now turn into Chaos?
The Aeldari could always fall to Chaos, there's even some in Atlas Infernal
40K Theories oh, from what i know if they join Chaos, they automatically die since Slaanesh consumes their souls. I never saw a Chaos Eldar. Iguess they would be just like the Dark Eldar
Thanks a lot for replying!!!
So the Kroot have warp tech? They are allied with the Tau. The Tau would be able to expand so much faster if they used Kroot ships.
Easy answer, when law becomes tyranny chaos destroys it. After chaos will birth a new law...little do these fans know chaos and order are brothers that balance each other
Wrong, loyalist! Chaos is a ladder!
Question about CSM: If a CSM is killed by a warrior of the Imperium of Man, why does he not have his Geneseed removed to be used by Loyalist instead of being left to rot? It could be used in new Space Marines.
The Imperium believes that traitor stock will make more traitors or at least flawed warriors and in many cases now it is probably corrupted beyond all usefulness.
Tristan Bramble
I think its even stated that they really can’t reuse the genes anymore due to chaos fucking with them...
like I said. corrupted beyond all usefulness.
Most Chaos Space Marines have spent 10000 hiding out in the Eye of Terror. Thats a little like licking a nuclear reactor constantly for 10000 years. CSM gene seed is mostly too flawed and tainted to be salvaged.
The part about Chaos geneseed being "corrupted beyond usefulness" was slightly retconned into being much less likely to be useable, but still can still sometimes be viable.
... baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me, no KHORNE!
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECRONS!
Very nice
Chaos' is a hell of a drug...
You mean space hell
Imperial first
An Imperial citizen not only willingly watching a clearly heretical video about Chaos, but being the first one to comment on it too...congratulations heretic :^)
By His will
War hammers chaos jk wrath lust gluttony and well tzennch
Chaos is the only TRUE answer.
Did Hashut (or the Horned rat I guess) make it into 40k in any way?
Nope, they're dead like old Warhammer.
Arthur They're probably still out there, in some forgotten corner of the Warp. It's just that nobody cares about them enough to write them into a book. Way too minor for a galactic scale.
Where did you did you find the lore about the origins of the Chaos Gods?
I can't seem to find the information verifying your lore on any of the various wikipedias and lexicanum. I can't find info on the War in Heaven directly causing the births of Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle. I heard the old lore was retconned but could not find new information on the wikis.
Last I heard, they awoke in the order of Nurgle, Khorne, and finally (allegedly) Tzeentch. This was supposedly mainly due to human shenanigans in the 2nd millennium with Slaanesh waking up far later due to Eldar murderfucking. Is this no longer the case?
If you could provide sources on where you obtained this information (as well as explain why there is an apparent disparity between this video and the wikis), then I would be rather grateful.
In regards to the order and time period of their awakening it is detailed in the book Realms of Chaos: Lost and the Damned book and also supported in the Codex Chaos 2nd edition, the order of the Gods had not been retconned from anything I could find.
In regards to the war in heaven creating them (the necron version not the craftworld version. I know its awkward when there's two separate events with the same name)
This is partially mentioned in Codex Necrons 5th edition when the war in heaven resulted in numerous warp entities being created and beginning to take form as a result from the conflict, but mentioned in more detail in the 3rd edition Necron Codex where it states that the emotions of the old ones creations (Krork, Aeldari etc) began to manifest themselves within the warp towards the end of the war in heaven, and what entities did exist within the warp had changed into new forms becoming creatures that consume souls.
It's also important to note that unless something new/recent has come out to contradict it old lore is still canon (as Gav Thorpe himself stated when he was on our podcast on Tactica Imperialis channel)
Much obliged good sir, looking forward to more lore and theory videos!
So according to 'Word of God' aka Gav Thorpe, unless it *explicitly* contradicts the old lore its still canon? Can I get a time stamp on that?
Internet Zen Master If new lore contradicts old lore, then it is a retcon that supercedes older lore, but only if said contradictory lore is confirmed as being factually canon; the canonicity of all other unconfirmed instances are left open to debate as they may be the result of poor writing or part of an attempt, deliberate or otherwise, to obfuscate the true canon.
You forgot about Malaal...
DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?!
How can robots be slaves?
Choas
Watch event horizon
Is Mary sue/SJW is part of chaos God too
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I hate the word "aeldari" it sounds awful. "Eldar" is just fine