14:40 it's not only the bare minimum. Not hiding the gacha rates also is a legal requirement. If they hid them they would not be allowed to sell the game in multiple markets (including China afaik).
there was originally a line where i yelled about it being illegal, but after doing more research, i believe it's more of an unofficial regulatory board type of thing. it's become the "standard" so to speak, but it's why things like genshin's soft pity system are still somewhat convoluted
that concept seems actually goated, makes me realize how gacha is ruining an otherwise excellent game Edit: oh also, probably do that for Diablo Immortal as well.
@@canacana6484 sad thing is, this is the case with a a lot of mobile games. This is what separated too many mobile game companies from console/pc oriented game companies. The former care about money first, the player experience second. For the latter, it's the other way around. I miss when big mobile games cost $6.99
“I don’t feel Genshin is the right game for me.” “At least try to play it. You can’t decide if it’s good or bad if you don’t play it.” “Ok, I’ve played it. It’s just not my type of game.” “If you don’t like it, don’t play it. No one’s forcing you.”
They try to downplay the whole thing thinking like there is more people like them and that is what Mihoyo want that type of shill thinking they are winning but unfortunately give more times and there will be more people againts them than side with them the more fucc up they try to do by censoring their player feedbacks.
well he only play it till AR45. heck he haven't got even 1 character to level 80 or 90. He said the game is too easy.... I doubt he ever clear abyss floor 10, not to mention floor 11 or 12. He need to play the game for 2-3 months more before bashing that much toward genshin. He need to suffer like other genshin player before having a pass to bash this shitty game.
Every mobile game, not just gachas, has a hotline for customer support. I had a friend Adam (name changed) and he worked for this big one, uhhh lets call it, Mandys Mush. You want to take a guess what 99% of Adam's day was? Taking calls from livid adults to find out that their child had gotten into the shop and used the already linked credit card to purchase hundreds of dollars of power ups and replays. (and in rare instances calls from young adults about how mom or dad had spent ACTUAL BILLS MONEY on the game.) And Mandys Mush was one of the first to deliver this model, so it wasnt even employing predatory tactics we know today. It literally would just be like "hey you're outta lives, you can buy more if you want or just take a break!" and STILL folks would spend enough to make it the highest grossing mobile game for years, practically putting mobile games into the marketplace in the first place. So now tell me, when you have your customer support spending 99% of their shift telling adults (usually) that "We are not responsible for any financial transactions in game. All sales are final and refunds are not allowed unless you can prove the card stolen and used on an account not your own." and then fans of your genre saying its so frustrating to play it without spending money at all and wishing they could "just spend a few bucks" to feel like its WORTH playing, how on earth can people just shrug and be like "well if you spent money thats your own fault and you are scum" That line of thinking feels like literal non-hyperbolic brainwashing, that's that same logic as how billion dollar companies hire third world outsourcing/immigrant labor at half the cost of minimum wages and folks will go "THOSE DAMN IMMIGRANTS TOOK JOBS FROM US!!!" like no you dumbass the company saw an easy way to make more money with less effort and loves that you wont even blame them for it.
Every time i mention anywhere in the mobile game sphere how predatory these companies are i get shut down by ppl saying "but that's just gatcha games, everyone does this". No . Just because something became the standard doesn't mean it's right and should be allowed to continue. If something is unfair, predatory and harmful to kids and their spending habits it should be stopped or heavily regulated. The example u brought up is brilliant to be honest. Fast fashion is one industry where companies got away with so much exploitation and everyone was doing it, even luxury brands. Until it got exposed and people are slowly waking up to this. I think the first step in the right direction would be for ppl to stop defending and start questioning and thinking my money is worth more than a quarter of a wish. I deserve to enjoy myself if i decide to spend my money instead of endless grind with small return.
@@longtong9039 I hate how correct you are lol. It's like some internet law that no matter how good a point is the people that need to hear it most will just reply "TL;DR" and then something offensive I'm sure lol
@@orsikocs your comment made me realize another point: it's NOT "just gachas" like think about the other examples in yakkos video: cs go had skin trading and betting. Why? Cause it's a gacha system that's how you get what you want. Roblox I'm unsure how that works so I'll skip, but the BIGGEST offender is Overwatch. Loot boxes are given free pass cause "oh you can just grind for them!!!" But THEN there's events. If you don't grind hard enough and if the gods don't love you during this 2-3 week period you're SCREWED and don't get that special skin until next year! (Where there will also be NEW skins to chase!) So right there, a non-gacha with the most gacha shit ever. So by gacha player logic, it's okay as long as there is even a small choice to not pay, which is stupid as shit. Hmmmm....I'm not as big a TH-camr as yakko but I'm thinking I need to write a script. "Gacha is infecting gaming, and some folks defend it???" Is my working title.
@@allanime01 that is artificial scarcity, league of legends is an example of a game that slowly implemented then started reverting this, there are chests with random skins, but you can just buy the skin you want instead of betting, they reworked the prestige system so it is not a limited time unlockable anymore, i already unlocked every champion in the game as a free to play player and still there are a bunch of whales that spent thousands of dollars in this free to play game i stopped playing because the game is not fun anymore, i only play when blitz is back
Now that Yakko has his antithesis game, I can't wait to see the video where he wears the RingCon from Ring Fit as a Power-Rangers style transformation belt and destroys capatilistic corruption in the video game industry, probably portrayed by a big Slot Machine Mecha.
@@yakkocmn way too much camouflage tldr for a simple demand : a good f2p gacha game should allow players obtain all the cool stuff (usually top tier character/weapon) they want for free and quick instead of let them suffer and not fun with standard stuff (non toptier character/weapon) . nothing feel better than play a massive popular f2p game obtain all the cool top tier stuff quick and easy without the need to spend a dime and brag about it on social media right ?
"Devs need to get paid too" might be a more convincing argument if the big games industry as a whole wasnt so horrendously exploitative of most of the artistic talent working within it. Unfortunately, we all know the billions ppl collectively spend on microtransaction casinos that undermine the quality of the rest of the game arent going to any of the people who actually made the good parts, theyre headed straight to the pockets of the vampires at the head of the company.
People who like to talk about how whales keep the lights on are so funny. Big gacha games recoup monthly costs within the first week. It would not surprise me in the least if someone leaked genshin's financial and showed that the game recoups overhead in literal minutes.
You see it’s both those things together that make it bad. I’m a libertarian and even I have a problem with psychologically manipulative tactics in games. You no longer are given the agency of free will or choice when the developers psychologically manipulate you into spending money. If the stipulation to play is “have self control.” Then it needs to be regulated the same way as gambling and rated as such. It’s why I don’t defend Gacha but will also not have a problem at all with Pay to Win; because unlike gambling you can make a rational cultural argument in favor of P2W. Some gaming cultures value their time far more than their money, take Korea for example; whereas in America we value our money when it comes to games far more than our time. We will grind for 20 hours just to avoid spending 5$.
That guy who seriously said "they don't hide gacha rates!!!" Does he realize...they have to do that??? Legally??? They are required by law to tell the rates, so you know the risk. The fact that they did that doesn't mean they're generous, it just means they don't want to get sued.
@@kurodo9926 wow.....just wow....... you really dont know anything about humans do you? yk omg i got so lucky getting a 5 star early should i spend so i can get em like... i mean we can forget that it takes about 2 months to get a 5 star and god forbid you lose the 5050 on a character that will probaly take a year to come back
@@kurodo9926 mihoyo is a company filled with real people they are not non living entitys way to go on being an asshole trying to defend this awfull company who is not only very predatory but is also racist as all hell . to add to my original reply to you might i suggest studying about human behaviour and how making people think their luckly and making them feel special for not hitting 90 wishes is predatory
@@kurodo9926 lmao your no only stupid and sucking on this companys toes you fail to relise how much this game prays on the weak and accept it as OK you are a terrible person for defending this game and its predatory ways go out and touch grass or even speak to an actual person rather than living your pathetic life defending BS
"Whataboutism" is a great word. Another great one is "sophistry". Both together are perfect for describing 95% of responses like the ones seen in this video.
There's no sophistry in this, my guy. Sophistry is malicious and intelligent deception. There's no legal requirement to use every word you find in an intro to logic course in an internet debate.
But that’s what this guy is doing too right? What about zelda botw? What about ff14? What about other shitty indie developers? He just won’t stop whataboutidm.
Watch out, yakko. Genshin Impact is becoming your "nemesis game." It's your Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, your Chibi-Robo: Zip Lash, your Sonic '06. The one game you can't stop arguing about and pointing at. The one you can't escape from. The one that will be written on your tombstone. The one that your lineage will continue the fight against. The one that will judge you in the hereafter. This is a dangerous path you tread, my friend. But the difference between you and all the others is that you're not up against just a lousy game... *you're up against weebs.*
That Genshin video was actually the wake up call I needed and lacked for almost a year of my playtime with that cursed game. Your experience in the gacha field and ability to see right through the manipulative design tactics really shows and it was just what I needed to hear to stop torturnig myself everyday with endless grinding of artifacts and mundane dailies and try some other games the world had in store for me. Ever since then I got into Hollow Knight and TWEWY and I've had an absolute BLAST with them! I feel like I've forgotten that games are supposed to be fun, bring that sense of exploration and progress without constantly asking for your money and/or time in return. I rewatch that video from time to time when i feel that same "demonic itch" to go back and give in to the gambling world, because whatever that game is doing to people like me is honestly kinda horryfing and shouldn't be excused nor normalized, and I'm grateful you brought these issues to light.
same dude. Hundreds of dollars and hours spent on this game but a few months ago I decided to uninstall and actually step outside. One of the best choices I ever made tbh.
This video made me remember that people are so agressive on the internet when it comes to pointing a game/movie/whatever's shortcomings. I really can't understand Genshin's appeal at all, but I also am about to play my 3rd League of Legends ranked game today so who am I to say anything about it Oh, and I'm totally gonna start using whataboutism
Yes, I think both games in terms of grinding addiction is the same, genshin for artifact LOL for ranked. N the way to avoid it is the same, just play wht ever u want don't care about ranked or artifact at all
I used to play a lot of League before too, but when I played it you couldn't get game changing items or champions in a hextech chest. The only things you could buy with purchased currency only, were the skins. That's not what Genshin is selling.
And again today I saw a case of a child getting at someone's credit card and spending over 1500$ within a week. Gacha games definitely aren't predatory at all.
I think gacha games at least should add a daily limit to how much money you can spend to reduce the mass purchases. But of course then gacha would be way less profitable so no company would do something that would make them lose money even if it is a morally good action.
@Jorak Isn't that just due to triple A companies having way more shareholders and then those companies have to care more about their profits to keep the shareholders from leaving?
I know right? It’s clearly the card owner’s fault and not the game that encouraged the kid to steal the card. Great to see someone who finally gets it.
Its honestly embarrassing being a genshin fan bc there’s so many dumbasses and weirdos. My favorite is people who simp for nahida and use the argument “bUt ShE’s 500” fucking disgusting
Genshin is like a 2-hit combo It grabs you with lore and cool world then punchs you in the guts with the artifact system that tries to make you play as much as possible then after you get burned out you get grabbed back in like a grappler in a fighting game
Im in the loop... I player, looked cool, played more, got burn out, came back, needed good artifacts at ar 50 and above, farmed artifacts, got burn out, not I'm farming artifacts again.
I played genshin for far too long, glad i stopped succumbing to FOMO and the sunk cost fallacy. The start of the game is great. But the late grind is god awful. I agree with your points.
The reason I left was that my brain was honestly hit with wait why am I grinding with for this artifact why am I forcing my self and think im enjoying it. You know it’s meaningless grind that your not fine with so just leave. Which I did. So I decided game feels a bit dead to me but I’ll simp for the characters that’s all
@@inuskukuy1765 best way to enjoy the game for me is to play a week or two when a new patch drops to play new content then take a break until the next patch hits
@@littleswansplaygrownd6817 I have short attention span I noticed because in some point I play FFXV for a week then stop for a few days and now completely addicted to monster hunter world so its kinda random besides monster hunter is loop able and there’s other better gacha games that make grinding and getting the premium currency a bit easier to get I’m not saying it’s bad I just want these things I mention to improve then maybe but probably not cause downloading for mobile is like downloading the new cod games
The people commenting about the control in spending, did they watch the video? THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE VIDEO ITSELF. SELF CONTROL SHOULD NOT BE A REQUISITE TO ENJOY A HORNY ANIME VIDEOGAME
Opinions are like buttholes. Everyone has them. And it's of my opinion that locking characters and other noteworthy mechanics behind statistical probability and real world money is childish and greedy. I also recognize that some aspects of my favorite MMO, Elder Scrolls Online, do also have some aspects that fit this description and inside the same feelings Within Me. They've just succeeded in making me feel more comfortable About It by including an income of their premium currency as a benefit of their subscription
But.... But if all character in game are playable at the start of the game doesn't make the game get boring so fast n died? :( n if so where the company get a money to pay their employer if everything is free? :( (genuinely don't know)
@@armanadiaz2111 there is a plethora of examples of games where one can acquire access to their preferred character either through some means of progression or some sort of achievement! Therefore removing much of the randomness on what characters become available to you. If they are, in fact, somehow struggling to find the funds to pay their employees; I'm sure they might be able to find something to monetize that's less important to the main gameplay experience.
I guess I should note that I do not have any proper experience training or education on the matters of game design, nor on the topic of company or game finance. These are my largely ignorant opinions based upon my experience and enjoyment of various games.
As someone who was literally playing Genshin while watching this, is AR 58, and has been playing since launch. You're absolutely correct. I won't quit since it's fun for me, but I totally understand why it's not for everyone and people need to get that! Genshin should be celebrated for it's gorgeous music, those serene moments when you've just climbed your first mountain in liyue or the characters that people can resonate with. At the same time, we need to be able to have to look at the media we consume critically. These videos have been beautifully constructed to provide that perspective :)
As someone who's been playing Genshin since a month after it came out, I want to say; I genuinely enjoyed your original essay. And I think it's great someone came in with a different point of view on it then I do. Personally, I'm all over the game, there's very few aspects of it I'm not happy with during my playtime. I just wish more hardcore people would just calm down and understand that a critique of YOUR favorite piece of media doesn't mean you have to go out on a limb and defend it. Like I said, I love Genshin, but there are plenty of parts of it (the gacha, using real-life money, etc) where I think it deserves to be looked at critically.
I agree with this comment, but Yakko undermines his standpoint by saying "Genshin players need to accept not everyone likes their game" and then making a joke about Genshin that paints the players in a bad light almost every video. Practice what you preach, my guy.
The biggest sin of this game is not the predatory gambling shit and not even the awful grind, it's that after you empty your parent's credit cards to get C6 of every character and R5 of every weapon, and after you spend months getting the perfect artifacts... you can't even use it for anything. There is no challenging and rewarding content that you can do regularly besides the abyss, which you can only do twice a month. The other 28 days you legit have 0 things to do. No goals and no obstacles, simply nothing but waiting for the next story update, and if you don't care about the story, well.. One would think that money-hungry company that relies on whales to survive would try to accommodate them, but they're either unwilling or incompetent to do it. So if you watch any stream or go to any TH-cam channel of a big spender, they will play the game for like 30 minutes and then spend 5 hours talking about the drama, watching news, "rating" viewers accounts, doing giveaways. In other words, anything but playing the game. I have no idea what mihoyo's long term plan is. Maybe there isn't one, and they will just move to another game once this cow runs out of milk and dies peacefully
I am confused if everyone knows that there is no difficult content for whales for almost 2 years now, I don't understand why do they keep spending so much money to get c6 and r5 when there is 0 benefit to do so other than seeing bigger numbers personally and clearing abyss with max stars easily. Its like spending a lot of money upgrading to a very fast sports car just to drive in the same busy city where you can't use its potential.
@@Pohatarunic6 that's the reason in itself. It tricks you into thinking that because your characters and weapons are telling you that there is more upgrading to be done, that upgrading will prove necessary and not just deliver some fresh dopamine. Like, what does the primogem investment really translate to in the end? Faster content clearing? Less time spent playing the game? But hey, some people are just stubbornly in it to see their waifu/husbando/ships reach maximum potential, regardless of what time or money it takes.
@@Yenrei Sure if they do it just for satisfaction of maxing out a character/wep. But otherwise do you believe people can't think for themselves? If they see something can be maxed out they forget the current content in the game and expect there to magically appear content for them to make it worth maxing out? And even hypothetically they made content that needed you to have c6 and r5, you think 90% of the playerbase would be happy locked out of those rewards or even content if it wasn't time based? I feel like at most they could only do extra abyss time medals like they do in events for showing off.
Thank you for putting out this video. Despite the fact that I'd already moved away from this game, I had all but talked myself into getting back into it. After watching this it helped remind me why I stopped.
me too. i had been trying to delete this fucking game since November 2021 and kept coming back to it with a maximum break of 1 week (just cause i had to travel so had no choice in playing). I have deleted and downloaded the game so many times. i hate the hangover periods i get when i stop playing this. luckily I'm too young to access or spend money without my parents knowing (17 years of age). but man...the urge to steal my dad's credit card and spend real time in figuring out how i could hide it during the Xiao banner in January...ooooofff that was my lowest point. luckily I stopped myself physically. then, i came to a point of mindlessly grinding for an hour everyday like a job to where i have two full built teams which could work anywhere. my goal was never to clear abyss above floor 10. once i reached it earlier today , i fucking deleted the game and watched this video. now i'm just going to have another hangover period. but luckily since the next patch is now delayed indefinitely, i'll have enough time to work through it and focus on my exams. i'll look again at genshin when sumeru comes (if it's any better) when i'm in college. cause this addictiveness i have as an f2p player towards this games is ridiculous. thank god i don't earn money yet.
I do wish that the loot in genshin impact could have more of a borderlands feel. Like getting epics and even legendaries in chests or defeating a very powerful enemy that spawns very rare and isn't a boss
Regarding the lore part in particular. It's actually very annoying and painful at times, due to it actually being stuck in basically side tabs and objects during world exploration. Then they're pretty much almost never integrated into the story. One of the most frustrating bits about this for me being Signora, whom was confirmed to be the Crimson Witch lady in her fight. Then uhhh... Well after she honestly pretty awkwardly and abruptly gets incinerated so you don't get much after the discovery.
I love the comment that mentions how Activision and EA get praised while Mihoyo gets shit on. Where can I find this so called "EA praise" you speak of ?
Don't quote me on this, but I *think* it's just whenever a new Sims game comes out. I can't see anything else, and even Sims gets shit on immediately. Not sure where praise from Activision comes from, though. They're known for harassing women who worked there and had some investigation by California, iirc.
I have been playing the game since it dropped, and just like you said, hoping for something to rekindle that excitement again. In your last video you mentioned to some people it was just a simple fun game to pick up and do dailies in; that's what it is to me and I find enjoyment out of the combat/elemental reactions and anime aesthetic...even if I have fallen prey to the gacha mechanics. But im hoping for significant changes cuz I know this game has potential to do better all around. Copium?
The potential died when mhy released Inazuma . That was their best and all I was able to see was- Okay huh stuff and concepts are repeating. Executives faults are showing properly. Aah the game i love is going to live in a half dead state isn't it... They won't do anything to improve unless we leave this game isn't it... But now they have a lot of money already. Why would they improve.. Fuck.
Something these comments miss a lot is that manipulation is a very real thing, and psychological effects are very real. You can't "just stop" sometimes. We tried that with the war against drugs, and you may notice that drugs won that one.
It's funny to me that people are using the "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" line in defense of companies and not as an attack on them. The point of the phrase is that even companies that masquerade as ethical, green, sustainable, etc are still exploitative and cruel. It's not a green light for companies to engage in whatever manipulative practices they wish.
People will always passionately defend that which they like. But for real "dynamic elements system" yeah rock paper scissors style advantages are so dynamic
Genshin optimizing lurker here who would like to make a statement on the combat system. From the outside it is a simple rock paper scissor system but it has way more depth than many other rpgs. For example, all elements have an internal cooldown for application. See that big electric shield? Not all of your ice infused attacks will crack it. It will be on an internal 2.5 sec timer or a 3 hit timer. This timer differs for normal/charged/skill/burst damage. Another example is the "heaviness" of each element or the Guage. Burst usually applies more of an element than normal attacks. Each character has thier own Guage that determines how you want to rotate skills. How does this affect my gameplay? Lets say I play normally and spam a fire support with a water dps. But then the fire support applies weak fire while the water support applies strong water. All of a sudden, I'm amplifying the support fire damage instead of the water dps damage because the water is so strong that it stays applied even after I try to apply fire. Now I have to stay longer on my fire character or swap them out to a different character/build. This is only the surface of the iceberg of the complex background mechanics at play. Feel free to visit keqingmains website as that is where all the knowledge is complied. You can easily see that this combat can be as deep as you want it to be.
@@tom1234567890ve1 as deep as you want it to be assuming you're willing to engage with the gacha mechanic and dump 60$ a banner trying to pull a digital wifu/husbando
@@marcusmurphy993 I won't disagree but that is a separate matter, I am only supporting the combat system. Recently, there was a guy who cleared the hardest content in the game within the span of 20 days as free to play. Of course he rerolled to get lucky but his knowledge and skill of the game allowed him to do what 5 month + casual players could not do. I understand if Genshin is not a game that you can endorse but please don't talk trash on the combat system. I wish more rpg games had this level of easy to learn and hard to master combat.
On the subject of time in games, there’s more gambling systems than just the actual gambling system. The artifact system is genuinely ridiculous, and people will spend hours trying over and over and over for the best artifacts. You’re not gambling your money, you’re gambling your time. I play Genshin entirely free, in more ways than one. I play the parts of the game I enjoy, and I do not enjoy grinding for the best artifacts. There are people who will dedicate hours to finding the absolute best team comps and artifact builds, and I have to ask those people: Are you having fun? You didn’t spend money, but you spent hours of your time, and yeah, you can kill a boss in 12 seconds, but did you have fun anywhere in the process? I don’t build my characters, I don’t make a perfect team comp, I just use who and what I want because I want to. And there are people who take offense to that! My best friends tell me I play the game wrong because my shiny flower that I put on my unlucky Fire boy was 2% too low to be viable. I play the game by the principle of, if you hit something enough it will die, and I have fun. Isn’t fun why anyone plays games in the first place?
Play the game however you want, I quit the game after spending 1.6k and hundreds of hours into the game. I had my fun. I moved on. Could I have spent my money in a better way? Yeah most definitely, would I do it again? Yes, absolutely. Do what makes you happy and spending lots of money on the game for the characters and gambling was my way of fun. Lastly, "you waste a lot of time crying over wasted time" - NF
@@zilongma5067 You wasted so much money, and you're never going to see it again. You fell victim to predatory advertising, whether you realize it or not.
@@nashvontookus7451 Except I didn't, I was following the game's development before it even released golbally and only spent money because I had enough to burn and didn't know where else to spend it because unlike most people, I don't care where my money goes because at the end of the day I'm not getting it back unless it's an investment. This isn't the first time I've done something like this. I buy a lot of useless things. "If money is where you find happiness you'll always be poor." - NF
Glad someone finally mentioned the early-game/late-game discrepancy! I played on release for about two weeks, and mostly stopped because it had just become "do your dailies, spend the resin, ok bye seeya tomorrow." Feel like they really had some good ideas during the first few days of playing that just kinda get smacked down. The story's momentum grinds to a halt, they gate off areas to explore, and it's just kind of a morning labor eventually. Also, damn, this video made me laugh more than it probably should've lmao
Been playing genshin for nine months. I absolutely love the lore, unique characters, and world building. But I hate the random artifact drops, annoyed with having to look up puzzle tutorials, and I fucking HATE the primogems. Other than that, good video :)
Honestly, been playing since day 1 my friend. If Hoyoverse just got rid of the gacha system and traded it for a "Do this feat and get this character" kind of thing, i'd bunk it up even higher on my favourite game list
I really like the art, the music, the lore, the characters, the fighting, the events But the grind, the gatcha, the grind, the dailies, the grind, the pricing, the grind, the repetitiveness, the repetitiveness, the abysmal chance to get any good artifacts... This all kills my enjoyment Nowadays I log in just to complete any new expansions, fun events and not much more And I feel much better about the game
Ironically enough, one of few things that keeps Genshin fanbase going is the fanarts (especially the R18/NSFW), all while Genshin dev team censors the hell out of that game, even more so than any other Chinese gacha games, including it's sibling Honkai Impact
The worst thing about Gacha practices is how slippery they make the slope (not just referring to players) Games rely on marketing to sell widely, marketing needs money, and any fan/observer of gachas will tell you they RAKE in the money off of whales. Ads, sponsorships, company tie-ups: all if these become ridiculously easier. Basically, it drags its competition in the industry down to its level
i quit after severe burnout (been playing since first ganyu banner) and believe me it's hard to quit like a drug withdrawal... because it felt like adding another daily job for me to do or otherwise i can't pull the new toys or something... I don't like to have feeling of psychologically manipulated by a game. i quit gaming world altogether.
I really appreciate ur honesty and research also the fact that i am not the only one who realizes a good portion of this fanbase will just claim your "toxic for the community" or "your just complaining" just because i express how exploitative the gacha system and game play loop are and how content boils down to wait for new event grind maybe new storyline rinse and repeat as well as abysmally awful stamina system that hasn't been touched more than once since its alpha. But I also am intrigued by the characters and their designs and abilities..just wish the game itself pushed toward enjoyment and content instead of cash flow and continuous gameplay routines.
3:36 This part i have to object too. Making the limitations on what you WANT to get so high that you require actual money is NOT the fault of the player. Its the game. If you need 90 rolls to get PITY, then that would be 1600 primogems PER roll. How many in the game do you get to reach 90? 14400 Rolls to get pity. That is 14.400 Primogems to get the character you wanted on the Banner. The game does not give you that many. At that point YES you are REQUIRED to gamble.
To be honest, I used to love this game in the beginning (I started around when it launched) it was something new and also something I could play with my friends since they had it. I just had a blast wandering around Mondstat and ignoring the main quest to do whatever I wanted/could at the time (which also happened with Liyue oof), really just messing around with the characters I pulled with my free gems (I stayed F2P for literally ~months~ until a character I really wanted dropped). I settled into the routine of getting home, doing dailies, getting artifacts and materials, and whatever my friends wanted to do if CoOp was on the table. It was to the point where I played every day because, well, it was part of my routine now. ...then my account got hacked. I lost all of my five star artifacts, regional materials, my better (almost fully ascended) weapons, and all of my level up books. ...needless to say that was my wakeup call by the fact of how I realized how much work it was gonna take to get all of it back...and I haven't played since. (Doesn't mean I can't enjoy the characters and their stories though)
The self control thing hits me the hardest, except instead of gatcha, I'm debating whether I want to buy an actually good game on steam or pay rent this month
Honestly, the last point you made with "just sticking around everyday" made me realize why i stopped liking genshin. It's so boring waiting for a game that seems to strike your fancy turn into stagnant grind to keep that boredom away. At that point, can you even say you're playing the game? Aren't you just sitting around waiting for something to happen? But yeah, just wanted to point out that you do have a pretty good point, and if lost addicted souls can't cope with that, shit man, tough luck.
I played up to AR50, just because I wanted something that I could do day-to-day, and genuinely enjoyed it for the first while. After about 2 months though, it became more and more obvious to me that I wasn't actually enjoying the game, and quit it outright. I definitely agree with basically everything you've said, and luckily I'm pretty controlled with my spending. 10/10 vid, love your content
i play genshin everyday, almost ar 60, never resin refreshed cuz thats stupid, and i can say the game is bad. i do not recommend playing it. my issues with the game expands beyond just the monetary systems used manipulate like an abusive relationship. like how characters are released janky, underwhelming, and incohesive with the gameplay and other characters.
This is one of the first videos I've ever watched responding to negative comments that genuinely didn't strawman a single argument. Good video, dude. Good video.
I used to play genshin and ended almost at ar 60 but I eventually realized that I was just waiting for the game to end(which it will never) so I quit and actually started playing botw and totk and now they're my new favorite games.
Damn dude imagine shifting the blame completely on the individual as if the company is not responsable to making the drop rates so crap. Some people enjoy the clown world i suppose
“It’s the spender’s fault for spending so much” mate, there are whole classes that teach people how you get people to spent more money in gacha games 😂
7:15 This point really hits home for me. I used to play Genshin daily since day 1 as a f2p player, and I made it a goal to 36 star the abyss. With diligent minmaxing, I managed to do it within 5-7 months. I felt happy at the first clear, but after playing for months afterwards, the monotony got to me. I would have to do some minigame or web event I did not like in order to build up my supply of primogems. The abyss also got relatively monotonous with most battles being a DPS check asking for rock-paper-scissors where rock may be strong during one phase of the abyss while scissors would be strong in another phase of the abyss. The exploration was neat at certain points, but sometimes, some new areas require some tedium or some arbitrary barrier. The grinding can be fun. Like MMOs, Genshin is trying to make its grinding fun (or at the very least, addictive). And I probably would have kept playing the game if I was playing with friends (i.e. how MMOs work), and while I met some nice people in the limited social aspects of Genshin, I realize I would have more fun in my life giving up the Genshin grind. And to report, so far, so good.
I just take breaks from Genshin when I'm tired of it. Every criticism against it just feels valid. For an open world game, its gacha systems restrict a lot of freedom. Still sad that I hardly earn any 5 Star weapons (I just want a Wolf's Gravestone, man). Genshin would probably be my favorite game if it wasn't a Gacha at all.
I took a break from Genshin a couple months ago and have not once felt compelled to play it again for any reason other than to try out a new character or to help out my friends with an event. I've easily played for several hundred hours, and I can confidently say that the enjoyment I got out of the game was nowhere near enough to compensate for all the other shit I had to slog through. I still love the world and the characters, but at the end of the day, unless Hoyoverse listens to the community and makes Genshin an actual video game as opposed to an anime slot machine grindfest, I won't be returning any time soon.
Your video made a LOT of good points. And I agree with most, if not all of them. For me, though, it's precisely *why* I play Genshin. I can play it for 15 minutes a day and put it down, and I don't feel any urge to play it more, because there is no pressure for me to actually play and/or grind. I'm not super interested in the gacha and I don't really want every character, so maybe I'm different. There is no challenge that will stress me out or overwhelm (unlike League and most mechanically intensive games I've since stepped away from), which is exactly what I'm looking for. Recently re-found your videos, and I love your humility. You've earned a sub from me! :)
jeah he is. nintendo is just another company like most of them. they do shitty things and make mistakes. like most of them. unlike some they put out quality more consistently, and then they put out another pokemon game. but reducing a critique to "youre a fan of company xyz i win" is just braindead
It's funny I've been playing Genshin consistently since it first came out over a year ago. And I agreed with every aspect of your video. Objectively Genshin isn't very good, but that doesn't matter because I still find it fun. It's the game I look forward to coming home to to play for like 30 minutes and then move on to something else. It's the one aspect of my life where I don't feel like a failure because it's both fun, and easy. The only thing that actually pulled me away from playing this game religiously was Eldenring because that game is fun and also objectively very very good.
yup, i played genshin cause i wanted more botw, played it for a year and got sick of the predatory practices in the game, the combat is more fun at the start when new, i feel like genshin nerfs its own combat by locking characrters behind a paywall, abyss is an unfun dps check for whales, even tho i realize that the only redeeming qualities of the game are the music and design, i still had fun. still dont think gambling should be allowed to children or the worthless grind that feels like a job (that i love so i switched to playing jrpgs to grind)
12:41 "I and 85% of the Genshin community reccomends this game" as a person who has been part of the genshin community since basically the begining, that's some bullshit lmao
You're assuming the "community" is just the parts of it you see and hear on social media platforms. If all you surround yourself with are people who share the same opinion of the game as yourself, then yea no shit it'll feel like most people are upset with the game The opposite is also true. If you surround yourself with people / look at posts that are more positive about the game, it can cause you to believe there's more people happy with the game than upset . We curate what we wanna see online . Damn near every social media platform is just a gathering place of numerous echo chambers.
very true, once one of the english VA's of the game had a colapsed lunge and had to go to the hospital and people literally wished he died and were sad that he got out, they are literally disgusting
From my experience playing the game and engaging with the community, I'd say it's an overgeneralization. Players joining my world in game have been some of the nicest interactions I've had in online gaming. And joining Discord servers / Twitch streams that aren't focused on meta or are ultra character simps tend to be pretty chill The people who tend to be toxic I'd say is a vocal minority (and mostly on Twitter). It's just that with 50 million active players, the vocal minority is still a lot of f***ing people
There's a huge difference between people who actually play the game, and people that are in the fandom. I've seen some pretty chill people in game, but online, nah they toxic af.
6:22 The difference is that other gacha games are mobile games that you leave on auto play while doing something else. Genshin is the most time intensive gacha. To get my weekly saints quartz in FGO all I have to do is play a total of around 1 hour and log in every day for about 10 seconds. Genshin wants at least half an hour a day and a lot more to properly optimize.
It is also, entirely pointless optimisation. Some people like that of course (big numbr go up) but i dont like spending metric moons to clear content that i already could. Doesnt help that clearing the content is never fun and is purely a matter of “how fast can i kill this enemy”
@@longtong9039 I tried Genshin when it was released and quit after about 2 weeks. Recently tried it again because my brother was addicted to it and got stuck at the first Raiden fight. My only option would have been to farm myself a set of 4 star artifacts so that I could farm a set of 5 stars. And then I quit.
Skullgirls Mobile recently updated their daily freebie system to be able to do like…5-6 tasks in a list to get all of your free daily rewards (including premium currency). Those tasks include stuff like…log in, open your daily relic, send a friend a gift, play a match in each of the game modes, etc. There’s also an auto-play feature that can pretty easily clear the daily events, and early streaks in the prize fights. I don’t ever feel like my time is wasted playing the game, and the events are monthly, so no FOMO if I can’t play. Skullgirls Mobile has its problems for sure, it’s far from perfect, but I look at games like Genshin and I go “Besides the anime aesthetic, what the fuck is worth my time in that game?”
@@longtong9039 the only reason i get meta units and optimise is so i can spend less time in the game...... i mean if that doesnt say this games sucks i really dont know what will
The funniest thing is, is that i tried to get into Genshin before i even knew what it was like Tried to play it on ps4 and pretty much stopped playing as soon as i saw that the game runs like doodoo lol
"i and a lot of genshin players recommend the game" yeah no shit. "I as someone who likes this critically mediocre piece of media recommend it so it has to be good"
Forcing companies to tell you about the gacha rates is one of the rare things regulated in the industry. If they weren't forced to do it, they wouldn't
I played genshin every day for almost a year straight. Then i couldn't play one day cuz I was too busy. Then I realized just how much I liked not having to do the same repetitive missions every single day for some primogems. Haven't played since. I will play it again when the main story is finished
Thanks to that genshin vod it made me realize “wtf dude, you have a life.” And it did it I’m now grinding to get a good career lol I’ll still keep my switch nearby at all times tho
I have to say as a Chinese player I have seen mihoyo before they get big in the global market. To make their fanbase toxic as hell is a trait of this company and many similar game developer. I have to guess it's something to do with how the Chinese online community likes it. I liked zzz quite a lot but I have to say, if I have to choose a monetization model among f2p/p2w I actually prefer Korean games which the phycological tricks targets whales more(lots and lots of free gems but higher celling for whales). Rather than mihoyo games not only makes micro transactions much more rudimentary but also very time consuming.
"You didn't know how to enjoy the game"
That's the game's job 💀
well at ths point its just not a game for him
@@jason-qc5lrit’s not a game for most
Especially with the stinginess
Though the lore can make a good side project
Can't believe Yakko is now declared as one of the cringe guys in the world.
I declare that the writer of the comment I'm replying to is one of the cringe guys in the world
Agreed
Skoochie woochie
L+ ratioed Yakko ;-; he will be missed
I'm suprised it took so long :D
14:40 it's not only the bare minimum. Not hiding the gacha rates also is a legal requirement.
If they hid them they would not be allowed to sell the game in multiple markets (including China afaik).
"Genshin Impact: Barely Legal"
@@nunyabiznes7446 Just the way genshin fans prefer women.. mainly because they can't legally say that they'd go for less.
The moment I heard that the first thing I thought was “that is literally the legal bare minimum to sell a gacha game”
@@Sekaro297 bruh
there was originally a line where i yelled about it being illegal, but after doing more research, i believe it's more of an unofficial regulatory board type of thing. it's become the "standard" so to speak, but it's why things like genshin's soft pity system are still somewhat convoluted
Can’t wait to play Genshin in 22 years when the servers finally close and people mod the game to become an actually playable single player experience
that concept seems actually goated, makes me realize how gacha is ruining an otherwise excellent game
Edit: oh also, probably do that for Diablo Immortal as well.
2 months later, now there are ways of entering private servers not tracked by hoyo and play around with the characters you might not have
@@Nina-lz1sn would be really grateful if you could point even vaguely in the direction of where to find those.
@@Nina-lz1sn just a whiff please
@@canacana6484 sad thing is, this is the case with a a lot of mobile games. This is what separated too many mobile game companies from console/pc oriented game companies. The former care about money first, the player experience second. For the latter, it's the other way around.
I miss when big mobile games cost $6.99
“I don’t feel Genshin is the right game for me.”
“At least try to play it. You can’t decide if it’s good or bad if you don’t play it.”
“Ok, I’ve played it. It’s just not my type of game.”
“If you don’t like it, don’t play it. No one’s forcing you.”
You cant win with those types of people.
They try to downplay the whole thing thinking like there is more people like them and that is what Mihoyo want that type of shill thinking they are winning but unfortunately give more times and there will be more people againts them than side with them the more fucc up they try to do by censoring their player feedbacks.
well he only play it till AR45. heck he haven't got even 1 character to level 80 or 90. He said the game is too easy.... I doubt he ever clear abyss floor 10, not to mention floor 11 or 12. He need to play the game for 2-3 months more before bashing that much toward genshin. He need to suffer like other genshin player before having a pass to bash this shitty game.
@@cepupuproduction dude he got bored because do you expect him to play for over a year?
@@justinsantos8189 you only need maybe 3-4months to reach ar55?
Every mobile game, not just gachas, has a hotline for customer support. I had a friend Adam (name changed) and he worked for this big one, uhhh lets call it, Mandys Mush. You want to take a guess what 99% of Adam's day was? Taking calls from livid adults to find out that their child had gotten into the shop and used the already linked credit card to purchase hundreds of dollars of power ups and replays. (and in rare instances calls from young adults about how mom or dad had spent ACTUAL BILLS MONEY on the game.) And Mandys Mush was one of the first to deliver this model, so it wasnt even employing predatory tactics we know today. It literally would just be like "hey you're outta lives, you can buy more if you want or just take a break!" and STILL folks would spend enough to make it the highest grossing mobile game for years, practically putting mobile games into the marketplace in the first place.
So now tell me, when you have your customer support spending 99% of their shift telling adults (usually) that "We are not responsible for any financial transactions in game. All sales are final and refunds are not allowed unless you can prove the card stolen and used on an account not your own." and then fans of your genre saying its so frustrating to play it without spending money at all and wishing they could "just spend a few bucks" to feel like its WORTH playing, how on earth can people just shrug and be like "well if you spent money thats your own fault and you are scum"
That line of thinking feels like literal non-hyperbolic brainwashing, that's that same logic as how billion dollar companies hire third world outsourcing/immigrant labor at half the cost of minimum wages and folks will go "THOSE DAMN IMMIGRANTS TOOK JOBS FROM US!!!" like no you dumbass the company saw an easy way to make more money with less effort and loves that you wont even blame them for it.
My favourite part about this good comment is that the people who need to read it stopped reading after the first few lines
Every time i mention anywhere in the mobile game sphere how predatory these companies are i get shut down by ppl saying "but that's just gatcha games, everyone does this". No . Just because something became the standard doesn't mean it's right and should be allowed to continue. If something is unfair, predatory and harmful to kids and their spending habits it should be stopped or heavily regulated.
The example u brought up is brilliant to be honest. Fast fashion is one industry where companies got away with so much exploitation and everyone was doing it, even luxury brands. Until it got exposed and people are slowly waking up to this.
I think the first step in the right direction would be for ppl to stop defending and start questioning and thinking my money is worth more than a quarter of a wish. I deserve to enjoy myself if i decide to spend my money instead of endless grind with small return.
@@longtong9039 I hate how correct you are lol. It's like some internet law that no matter how good a point is the people that need to hear it most will just reply "TL;DR" and then something offensive I'm sure lol
@@orsikocs your comment made me realize another point: it's NOT "just gachas" like think about the other examples in yakkos video: cs go had skin trading and betting. Why? Cause it's a gacha system that's how you get what you want. Roblox I'm unsure how that works so I'll skip, but the BIGGEST offender is Overwatch. Loot boxes are given free pass cause "oh you can just grind for them!!!" But THEN there's events. If you don't grind hard enough and if the gods don't love you during this 2-3 week period you're SCREWED and don't get that special skin until next year! (Where there will also be NEW skins to chase!) So right there, a non-gacha with the most gacha shit ever.
So by gacha player logic, it's okay as long as there is even a small choice to not pay, which is stupid as shit. Hmmmm....I'm not as big a TH-camr as yakko but I'm thinking I need to write a script. "Gacha is infecting gaming, and some folks defend it???" Is my working title.
@@allanime01 that is artificial scarcity, league of legends is an example of a game that slowly implemented then started reverting this, there are chests with random skins, but you can just buy the skin you want instead of betting, they reworked the prestige system so it is not a limited time unlockable anymore, i already unlocked every champion in the game as a free to play player
and still there are a bunch of whales that spent thousands of dollars in this free to play game
i stopped playing because the game is not fun anymore, i only play when blitz is back
Now that Yakko has his antithesis game, I can't wait to see the video where he wears the RingCon from Ring Fit as a Power-Rangers style transformation belt and destroys capatilistic corruption in the video game industry, probably portrayed by a big Slot Machine Mecha.
furiously writing this down for later
Imagining a yakko Kamen rider style design is wild
@@trashley5972 This has me wheezing, as yakko would be great as a Kamen Rider, but also he looks like one of the villains from Kamen Rider Kiva.
OH THIS IS GOLD.
@@yakkocmn way too much camouflage tldr for a simple demand : a good f2p gacha game should allow players obtain all the cool stuff (usually top tier character/weapon) they want for free and quick instead of let them suffer and not fun with standard stuff (non toptier character/weapon) . nothing feel better than play a massive popular f2p game obtain all the cool top tier stuff quick and easy without the need to spend a dime and brag about it on social media right ?
"Devs need to get paid too" might be a more convincing argument if the big games industry as a whole wasnt so horrendously exploitative of most of the artistic talent working within it.
Unfortunately, we all know the billions ppl collectively spend on microtransaction casinos that undermine the quality of the rest of the game arent going to any of the people who actually made the good parts, theyre headed straight to the pockets of the vampires at the head of the company.
yup devs get peanuts most of the money goes straight to greedy ceos.
People who like to talk about how whales keep the lights on are so funny. Big gacha games recoup monthly costs within the first week. It would not surprise me in the least if someone leaked genshin's financial and showed that the game recoups overhead in literal minutes.
Genshin makes from 80 to 120 million dollars a month, so yeah, they have more than enough.
I don't think the devs are struggling tbh
this!!!
@@b1mbap most of that money is definitely going to the snakes at the head of mihoyo so that argument doesn't really apply
“As an amateur poker player and a libertarian-“ hard cut
I laughed WAY too hard.
THE LIBERTARIAN 💀💀💀
i mean thats enough said against that argument already
You see it’s both those things together that make it bad.
I’m a libertarian and even I have a problem with psychologically manipulative tactics in games.
You no longer are given the agency of free will or choice when the developers psychologically manipulate you into spending money.
If the stipulation to play is “have self control.” Then it needs to be regulated the same way as gambling and rated as such.
It’s why I don’t defend Gacha but will also not have a problem at all with Pay to Win; because unlike gambling you can make a rational cultural argument in favor of P2W.
Some gaming cultures value their time far more than their money, take Korea for example; whereas in America we value our money when it comes to games far more than our time.
We will grind for 20 hours just to avoid spending 5$.
That guy who seriously said "they don't hide gacha rates!!!" Does he realize...they have to do that??? Legally??? They are required by law to tell the rates, so you know the risk. The fact that they did that doesn't mean they're generous, it just means they don't want to get sued.
@@kurodo9926 wow.....just wow....... you really dont know anything about humans do you? yk omg i got so lucky getting a 5 star early should i spend so i can get em like... i mean we can forget that it takes about 2 months to get a 5 star and god forbid you lose the 5050 on a character that will probaly take a year to come back
@@kurodo9926 wow yesss keep dickriding the company go and slay
@@kurodo9926 mihoyo is a company filled with real people they are not non living entitys way to go on being an asshole trying to defend this awfull company who is not only very predatory but is also racist as all hell .
to add to my original reply to you might i suggest studying about human behaviour and how making people think their luckly and making them feel special for not hitting 90 wishes is predatory
@@kurodo9926 lmao your no only stupid and sucking on this companys toes you fail to relise how much this game prays on the weak and accept it as OK you are a terrible person for defending this game and its predatory ways go out and touch grass or even speak to an actual person rather than living your pathetic life defending BS
@@kurodo9926 salty genshin nonce fanboy who gives money to ccp .get off here
forget the _"Warning: In-game purchases"_ pop-up when you download an app, Genshin needs a *"WARNING: NOT EVERYONE IS A GAMER"* pop-up
warning: GAMBLING
"Whataboutism" is a great word. Another great one is "sophistry".
Both together are perfect for describing 95% of responses like the ones seen in this video.
somebody played endwalker
@@shishi6201 lmfao
I also read Emet-Selch's Word of the Day Calendar
There's no sophistry in this, my guy. Sophistry is malicious and intelligent deception. There's no legal requirement to use every word you find in an intro to logic course in an internet debate.
But that’s what this guy is doing too right? What about zelda botw? What about ff14? What about other shitty indie developers? He just won’t stop whataboutidm.
Watch out, yakko. Genshin Impact is becoming your "nemesis game." It's your Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, your Chibi-Robo: Zip Lash, your Sonic '06. The one game you can't stop arguing about and pointing at. The one you can't escape from. The one that will be written on your tombstone. The one that your lineage will continue the fight against. The one that will judge you in the hereafter.
This is a dangerous path you tread, my friend. But the difference between you and all the others is that you're not up against just a lousy game... *you're up against weebs.*
I now have an alternate reality version of myself, an inanimate object villain, and a nemesis game. I'm finally a real TH-camr!
@@yakkocmn
My boys all grown up
Go punch a weeb for me
@@yakkocmn Now you just need to waggle a gun or some kind of weapon around and then encounter a possessed game of some sort.
@@SylentVoidkeeper genshin impact isn’t physical… nooooo!!!!
@@yakkocmn Still need a recurring bit
Genshin is the rare combo of "it gets good in season 4 bro trust me" combined with "it gets good at 300 dollars bro"
I find 'nintendo tainted individual' so funny. Like yes, i am tainted by good games
That Genshin video was actually the wake up call I needed and lacked for almost a year of my playtime with that cursed game. Your experience in the gacha field and ability to see right through the manipulative design tactics really shows and it was just what I needed to hear to stop torturnig myself everyday with endless grinding of artifacts and mundane dailies and try some other games the world had in store for me.
Ever since then I got into Hollow Knight and TWEWY and I've had an absolute BLAST with them! I feel like I've forgotten that games are supposed to be fun, bring that sense of exploration and progress without constantly asking for your money and/or time in return.
I rewatch that video from time to time when i feel that same "demonic itch" to go back and give in to the gambling world, because whatever that game is doing to people like me is honestly kinda horryfing and shouldn't be excused nor normalized, and I'm grateful you brought these issues to light.
You're awesome! Keep up the resistance!
long story in short don't play it it's dogshit
That is a giga chad. Im practically the same about it.
Kk
same dude. Hundreds of dollars and hours spent on this game but a few months ago I decided to uninstall and actually step outside. One of the best choices I ever made tbh.
This video made me remember that people are so agressive on the internet when it comes to pointing a game/movie/whatever's shortcomings. I really can't understand Genshin's appeal at all, but I also am about to play my 3rd League of Legends ranked game today so who am I to say anything about it
Oh, and I'm totally gonna start using whataboutism
Yes, I think both games in terms of grinding addiction is the same, genshin for artifact LOL for ranked. N the way to avoid it is the same, just play wht ever u want don't care about ranked or artifact at all
I used to play a lot of League before too, but when I played it you couldn't get game changing items or champions in a hextech chest.
The only things you could buy with purchased currency only, were the skins.
That's not what Genshin is selling.
@@Zeverinsen in genshin u can get limited characters with 0 dollars if u get patience but thts definitely not for everyone n I got ur point
“Whataboutism” as a defense is overused. Once you start arguing about an idea bigger than the original argument, then whataboutism becomes less valid.
@@TremblingQualifier 'a bigger argument' is usually something non-contextual and without greater evidence entirely conjectual.
And again today I saw a case of a child getting at someone's credit card and spending over 1500$ within a week. Gacha games definitely aren't predatory at all.
No you don't get it, it's a free game experience and you don't have to payyy
Dont talk to me because you are entitled.
-Some low life genshin player
I think gacha games at least should add a daily limit to how much money you can spend to reduce the mass purchases. But of course then gacha would be way less profitable so no company would do something that would make them lose money even if it is a morally good action.
@Jorak Isn't that just due to triple A companies having way more shareholders and then those companies have to care more about their profits to keep the shareholders from leaving?
I know right? It’s clearly the card owner’s fault and not the game that encouraged the kid to steal the card. Great to see someone who finally gets it.
As a Genshin player i thank you for being honest and giving actual good criticism!
god i can't stand this community tho.
Its honestly embarrassing being a genshin fan bc there’s so many dumbasses and weirdos. My favorite is people who simp for nahida and use the argument “bUt ShE’s 500” fucking disgusting
Genshin is like a 2-hit combo
It grabs you with lore and cool world then punchs you in the guts with the artifact system that tries to make you play as much as possible then after you get burned out you get grabbed back in like a grappler in a fighting game
Im in the loop... I player, looked cool, played more, got burn out, came back, needed good artifacts at ar 50 and above, farmed artifacts, got burn out, not I'm farming artifacts again.
I played genshin for far too long, glad i stopped succumbing to FOMO and the sunk cost fallacy. The start of the game is great. But the late grind is god awful. I agree with your points.
Yeah there is no end game content hope they fix that
The reason I left was that my brain was honestly hit with wait why am I grinding with for this artifact why am I forcing my self and think im enjoying it. You know it’s meaningless grind that your not fine with so just leave. Which I did. So I decided game feels a bit dead to me but I’ll simp for the characters that’s all
@@inuskukuy1765 best way to enjoy the game for me is to play a week or two when a new patch drops to play new content then take a break until the next patch hits
@@littleswansplaygrownd6817 I have short attention span I noticed because in some point I play FFXV for a week then stop for a few days and now completely addicted to monster hunter world so its kinda random besides monster hunter is loop able and there’s other better gacha games that make grinding and getting the premium currency a bit easier to get I’m not saying it’s bad I just want these things I mention to improve then maybe but probably not cause downloading for mobile is like downloading the new cod games
The people commenting about the control in spending, did they watch the video? THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE VIDEO ITSELF. SELF CONTROL SHOULD NOT BE A REQUISITE TO ENJOY A HORNY ANIME VIDEOGAME
Opinions are like buttholes. Everyone has them. And it's of my opinion that locking characters and other noteworthy mechanics behind statistical probability and real world money is childish and greedy. I also recognize that some aspects of my favorite MMO, Elder Scrolls Online, do also have some aspects that fit this description and inside the same feelings Within Me. They've just succeeded in making me feel more comfortable About It by including an income of their premium currency as a benefit of their subscription
I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to borrow that line of 'opinions are like buttholes. Everyone has them'. That is a genius line.
@@thecooleraliguar that's just fine, I stole it from someone older than me obviously. Don't forget to include that they almost all stink.
But.... But if all character in game are playable at the start of the game doesn't make the game get boring so fast n died? :( n if so where the company get a money to pay their employer if everything is free? :( (genuinely don't know)
@@armanadiaz2111 there is a plethora of examples of games where one can acquire access to their preferred character either through some means of progression or some sort of achievement! Therefore removing much of the randomness on what characters become available to you. If they are, in fact, somehow struggling to find the funds to pay their employees; I'm sure they might be able to find something to monetize that's less important to the main gameplay experience.
I guess I should note that I do not have any proper experience training or education on the matters of game design, nor on the topic of company or game finance. These are my largely ignorant opinions based upon my experience and enjoyment of various games.
As someone who was literally playing Genshin while watching this, is AR 58, and has been playing since launch. You're absolutely correct. I won't quit since it's fun for me, but I totally understand why it's not for everyone and people need to get that! Genshin should be celebrated for it's gorgeous music, those serene moments when you've just climbed your first mountain in liyue or the characters that people can resonate with. At the same time, we need to be able to have to look at the media we consume critically. These videos have been beautifully constructed to provide that perspective :)
As someone who's been playing Genshin since a month after it came out, I want to say; I genuinely enjoyed your original essay. And I think it's great someone came in with a different point of view on it then I do. Personally, I'm all over the game, there's very few aspects of it I'm not happy with during my playtime. I just wish more hardcore people would just calm down and understand that a critique of YOUR favorite piece of media doesn't mean you have to go out on a limb and defend it. Like I said, I love Genshin, but there are plenty of parts of it (the gacha, using real-life money, etc) where I think it deserves to be looked at critically.
Holy shit, a genshin player with common sense and self control? Your beautiful, have a wonderful day
I agree with this comment, but Yakko undermines his standpoint by saying "Genshin players need to accept not everyone likes their game" and then making a joke about Genshin that paints the players in a bad light almost every video. Practice what you preach, my guy.
The biggest sin of this game is not the predatory gambling shit and not even the awful grind, it's that after you empty your parent's credit cards to get C6 of every character and R5 of every weapon, and after you spend months getting the perfect artifacts... you can't even use it for anything. There is no challenging and rewarding content that you can do regularly besides the abyss, which you can only do twice a month. The other 28 days you legit have 0 things to do. No goals and no obstacles, simply nothing but waiting for the next story update, and if you don't care about the story, well..
One would think that money-hungry company that relies on whales to survive would try to accommodate them, but they're either unwilling or incompetent to do it. So if you watch any stream or go to any TH-cam channel of a big spender, they will play the game for like 30 minutes and then spend 5 hours talking about the drama, watching news, "rating" viewers accounts, doing giveaways. In other words, anything but playing the game.
I have no idea what mihoyo's long term plan is. Maybe there isn't one, and they will just move to another game once this cow runs out of milk and dies peacefully
I am confused if everyone knows that there is no difficult content for whales for almost 2 years now, I don't understand why do they keep spending so much money to get c6 and r5 when there is 0 benefit to do so other than seeing bigger numbers personally and clearing abyss with max stars easily.
Its like spending a lot of money upgrading to a very fast sports car just to drive in the same busy city where you can't use its potential.
@@Pohatarunic6 that's the reason in itself. It tricks you into thinking that because your characters and weapons are telling you that there is more upgrading to be done, that upgrading will prove necessary and not just deliver some fresh dopamine. Like, what does the primogem investment really translate to in the end? Faster content clearing? Less time spent playing the game? But hey, some people are just stubbornly in it to see their waifu/husbando/ships reach maximum potential, regardless of what time or money it takes.
@@Pohatarunic6 Folks don’t exactly have a great opinion of the heroin endgame either
@@Yenrei Sure if they do it just for satisfaction of maxing out a character/wep. But otherwise do you believe people can't think for themselves? If they see something can be maxed out they forget the current content in the game and expect there to magically appear content for them to make it worth maxing out?
And even hypothetically they made content that needed you to have c6 and r5, you think 90% of the playerbase would be happy locked out of those rewards or even content if it wasn't time based? I feel like at most they could only do extra abyss time medals like they do in events for showing off.
@@Pohatarunic6 it's called being a gambling addict.
Thank you for putting out this video. Despite the fact that I'd already moved away from this game, I had all but talked myself into getting back into it. After watching this it helped remind me why I stopped.
me too. i had been trying to delete this fucking game since November 2021 and kept coming back to it with a maximum break of 1 week (just cause i had to travel so had no choice in playing). I have deleted and downloaded the game so many times. i hate the hangover periods i get when i stop playing this. luckily I'm too young to access or spend money without my parents knowing (17 years of age). but man...the urge to steal my dad's credit card and spend real time in figuring out how i could hide it during the Xiao banner in January...ooooofff that was my lowest point. luckily I stopped myself physically.
then, i came to a point of mindlessly grinding for an hour everyday like a job to where i have two full built teams which could work anywhere. my goal was never to clear abyss above floor 10. once i reached it earlier today , i fucking deleted the game and watched this video.
now i'm just going to have another hangover period. but luckily since the next patch is now delayed indefinitely, i'll have enough time to work through it and focus on my exams. i'll look again at genshin when sumeru comes (if it's any better) when i'm in college.
cause this addictiveness i have as an f2p player towards this games is ridiculous. thank god i don't earn money yet.
@@nia6981 Get better bud
I do wish that the loot in genshin impact could have more of a borderlands feel. Like getting epics and even legendaries in chests or defeating a very powerful enemy that spawns very rare and isn't a boss
Regarding the lore part in particular. It's actually very annoying and painful at times, due to it actually being stuck in basically side tabs and objects during world exploration. Then they're pretty much almost never integrated into the story. One of the most frustrating bits about this for me being Signora, whom was confirmed to be the Crimson Witch lady in her fight. Then uhhh... Well after she honestly pretty awkwardly and abruptly gets incinerated so you don't get much after the discovery.
I love the comment that mentions how Activision and EA get praised while Mihoyo gets shit on. Where can I find this so called "EA praise" you speak of ?
Don't quote me on this, but I *think* it's just whenever a new Sims game comes out.
I can't see anything else, and even Sims gets shit on immediately. Not sure where praise from Activision comes from, though. They're known for harassing women who worked there and had some investigation by California, iirc.
Pvz2: am I a joke to you?
At least EA and Activision made garden warfare and the original overwatch respectively
I have been playing the game since it dropped, and just like you said, hoping for something to rekindle that excitement again. In your last video you mentioned to some people it was just a simple fun game to pick up and do dailies in; that's what it is to me and I find enjoyment out of the combat/elemental reactions and anime aesthetic...even if I have fallen prey to the gacha mechanics. But im hoping for significant changes cuz I know this game has potential to do better all around. Copium?
This amount of copium could fly a rocket if coupim could fly a rocket.
You are drowning in copium, but acknowledging that is the first step to recovery.
Yep, copium
Copium overload. Stop playing for like forever
The potential died when mhy released Inazuma . That was their best and all I was able to see was-
Okay huh stuff and concepts are repeating.
Executives faults are showing properly.
Aah the game i love is going to live in a half dead state isn't it...
They won't do anything to improve unless we leave this game isn't it...
But now they have a lot of money already. Why would they improve..
Fuck.
Something these comments miss a lot is that manipulation is a very real thing, and psychological effects are very real. You can't "just stop" sometimes. We tried that with the war against drugs, and you may notice that drugs won that one.
Manipulation is everywhere and people got no idea.
*cough* Nancy Reagan *cough*
>"Your wrong! Genshin is gud! You give subjective arguments about why it's bad!"
>Proceeds to use subjective arguments about why it's good
"they don't hide the gacha rates" bro I'm pretty sure that's the law in europe
It's funny to me that people are using the "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" line in defense of companies and not as an attack on them. The point of the phrase is that even companies that masquerade as ethical, green, sustainable, etc are still exploitative and cruel. It's not a green light for companies to engage in whatever manipulative practices they wish.
People will always passionately defend that which they like. But for real "dynamic elements system" yeah rock paper scissors style advantages are so dynamic
Genshin optimizing lurker here who would like to make a statement on the combat system.
From the outside it is a simple rock paper scissor system but it has way more depth than many other rpgs.
For example, all elements have an internal cooldown for application. See that big electric shield? Not all of your ice infused attacks will crack it. It will be on an internal 2.5 sec timer or a 3 hit timer. This timer differs for normal/charged/skill/burst damage.
Another example is the "heaviness" of each element or the Guage. Burst usually applies more of an element than normal attacks. Each character has thier own Guage that determines how you want to rotate skills.
How does this affect my gameplay? Lets say I play normally and spam a fire support with a water dps. But then the fire support applies weak fire while the water support applies strong water. All of a sudden, I'm amplifying the support fire damage instead of the water dps damage because the water is so strong that it stays applied even after I try to apply fire. Now I have to stay longer on my fire character or swap them out to a different character/build.
This is only the surface of the iceberg of the complex background mechanics at play. Feel free to visit keqingmains website as that is where all the knowledge is complied. You can easily see that this combat can be as deep as you want it to be.
@@tom1234567890ve1 as deep as you want it to be assuming you're willing to engage with the gacha mechanic and dump 60$ a banner trying to pull a digital wifu/husbando
@@marcusmurphy993 I won't disagree but that is a separate matter, I am only supporting the combat system. Recently, there was a guy who cleared the hardest content in the game within the span of 20 days as free to play. Of course he rerolled to get lucky but his knowledge and skill of the game allowed him to do what 5 month + casual players could not do.
I understand if Genshin is not a game that you can endorse but please don't talk trash on the combat system. I wish more rpg games had this level of easy to learn and hard to master combat.
On the subject of time in games, there’s more gambling systems than just the actual gambling system. The artifact system is genuinely ridiculous, and people will spend hours trying over and over and over for the best artifacts. You’re not gambling your money, you’re gambling your time. I play Genshin entirely free, in more ways than one. I play the parts of the game I enjoy, and I do not enjoy grinding for the best artifacts. There are people who will dedicate hours to finding the absolute best team comps and artifact builds, and I have to ask those people: Are you having fun? You didn’t spend money, but you spent hours of your time, and yeah, you can kill a boss in 12 seconds, but did you have fun anywhere in the process? I don’t build my characters, I don’t make a perfect team comp, I just use who and what I want because I want to. And there are people who take offense to that! My best friends tell me I play the game wrong because my shiny flower that I put on my unlucky Fire boy was 2% too low to be viable. I play the game by the principle of, if you hit something enough it will die, and I have fun. Isn’t fun why anyone plays games in the first place?
TRUE THO
Play the game however you want, I quit the game after spending 1.6k and hundreds of hours into the game. I had my fun. I moved on. Could I have spent my money in a better way? Yeah most definitely, would I do it again? Yes, absolutely.
Do what makes you happy and spending lots of money on the game for the characters and gambling was my way of fun.
Lastly, "you waste a lot of time crying over wasted time" - NF
That's why hardcores are pretty much mental illness, you fixated on numbers
@@zilongma5067
You wasted so much money, and you're never going to see it again. You fell victim to predatory advertising, whether you realize it or not.
@@nashvontookus7451 Except I didn't, I was following the game's development before it even released golbally and only spent money because I had enough to burn and didn't know where else to spend it because unlike most people, I don't care where my money goes because at the end of the day I'm not getting it back unless it's an investment. This isn't the first time I've done something like this. I buy a lot of useless things.
"If money is where you find happiness you'll always be poor." - NF
Glad someone finally mentioned the early-game/late-game discrepancy! I played on release for about two weeks, and mostly stopped because it had just become "do your dailies, spend the resin, ok bye seeya tomorrow." Feel like they really had some good ideas during the first few days of playing that just kinda get smacked down. The story's momentum grinds to a halt, they gate off areas to explore, and it's just kind of a morning labor eventually.
Also, damn, this video made me laugh more than it probably should've lmao
Been playing genshin for nine months. I absolutely love the lore, unique characters, and world building. But I hate the random artifact drops, annoyed with having to look up puzzle tutorials, and I fucking HATE the primogems.
Other than that, good video :)
Honestly, been playing since day 1 my friend. If Hoyoverse just got rid of the gacha system and traded it for a "Do this feat and get this character" kind of thing, i'd bunk it up even higher on my favourite game list
I really like the art, the music, the lore, the characters, the fighting, the events
But the grind, the gatcha, the grind, the dailies, the grind, the pricing, the grind, the repetitiveness, the repetitiveness, the abysmal chance to get any good artifacts... This all kills my enjoyment
Nowadays I log in just to complete any new expansions, fun events and not much more
And I feel much better about the game
Never really felt like trying Genshin, even after watching the most positive reviews.
Am just gonna enjoy my folder of Hu Tao images in peace
yeah that's probably the best choice you can ever do
also give me sauce to the hu tao images haha
Ironically enough, one of few things that keeps Genshin fanbase going is the fanarts (especially the R18/NSFW), all while Genshin dev team censors the hell out of that game, even more so than any other Chinese gacha games, including it's sibling Honkai Impact
Hundreds of hours of game time and an uninstall later, my ganyu collection remains
@@ohamatchhams The censored outfits for the 4 Mondstadt ladies being forced on servers outside CN still pisses me off
@@ohamatchhams coomer kick the chair
The worst thing about Gacha practices is how slippery they make the slope (not just referring to players)
Games rely on marketing to sell widely, marketing needs money, and any fan/observer of gachas will tell you they RAKE in the money off of whales.
Ads, sponsorships, company tie-ups: all if these become ridiculously easier.
Basically, it drags its competition in the industry down to its level
You fool, the attention makes them stronger
I love you yakkocmn. We should hold games, and mechanics to higher standards
As a genshin impact player i can say its addictive i dont really like the game but i still play it
i quit after severe burnout (been playing since first ganyu banner) and believe me it's hard to quit like a drug withdrawal... because it felt like adding another daily job for me to do or otherwise i can't pull the new toys or something... I don't like to have feeling of psychologically manipulated by a game. i quit gaming world altogether.
I really appreciate ur honesty and research also the fact that i am not the only one who realizes a good portion of this fanbase will just claim your "toxic for the community" or "your just complaining" just because i express how exploitative the gacha system and game play loop are and how content boils down to wait for new event grind maybe new storyline rinse and repeat as well as abysmally awful stamina system that hasn't been touched more than once since its alpha. But I also am intrigued by the characters and their designs and abilities..just wish the game itself pushed toward enjoyment and content instead of cash flow and continuous gameplay routines.
"Nintendo tainted individual" is my new self depricating comment
Regardless of one's feelings, Genshin Music do be slappin' tho
This ^^^^
million dollar idea: gacha game where you have to pull on banners to unlock the music
@@yakkocmn don't give them ideas
Bit too generic for my taste
@@sly3759 listen to signora's battle theme, to put an example, and tell me that's generic
3:36 This part i have to object too. Making the limitations on what you WANT to get so high that you require actual money is NOT the fault of the player. Its the game. If you need 90 rolls to get PITY, then that would be 1600 primogems PER roll. How many in the game do you get to reach 90? 14400 Rolls to get pity. That is 14.400 Primogems to get the character you wanted on the Banner. The game does not give you that many. At that point YES you are REQUIRED to gamble.
To be honest, I used to love this game in the beginning (I started around when it launched) it was something new and also something I could play with my friends since they had it. I just had a blast wandering around Mondstat and ignoring the main quest to do whatever I wanted/could at the time (which also happened with Liyue oof), really just messing around with the characters I pulled with my free gems (I stayed F2P for literally ~months~ until a character I really wanted dropped). I settled into the routine of getting home, doing dailies, getting artifacts and materials, and whatever my friends wanted to do if CoOp was on the table. It was to the point where I played every day because, well, it was part of my routine now.
...then my account got hacked.
I lost all of my five star artifacts, regional materials, my better (almost fully ascended) weapons, and all of my level up books.
...needless to say that was my wakeup call by the fact of how I realized how much work it was gonna take to get all of it back...and I haven't played since.
(Doesn't mean I can't enjoy the characters and their stories though)
Your video was totally fair, don’t let it get to you. Still it’s awe-stoning how many people defend companies
Anime girl cut out is the best antagonist ever XD
genshin fans when you tell them that other pieces of media exist
The self control thing hits me the hardest, except instead of gatcha, I'm debating whether I want to buy an actually good game on steam or pay rent this month
You have so much goddamn self control. I would not have been able to resist call these Genshin players names
as a ex genshin impact player speaking this game is shit
Honestly, the last point you made with "just sticking around everyday" made me realize why i stopped liking genshin. It's so boring waiting for a game that seems to strike your fancy turn into stagnant grind to keep that boredom away. At that point, can you even say you're playing the game? Aren't you just sitting around waiting for something to happen?
But yeah, just wanted to point out that you do have a pretty good point, and if lost addicted souls can't cope with that, shit man, tough luck.
Shouts out to my nintendo tainted individuals, you the real MVPs
"As an amateur poker player and a Libertarian-" *record scratch*
fucking killed me
I love how some people think that the money mihoyo earns by the gatchas system gets redistirbuted between the employees
I find it funny that almost every one of those comments has an anime profile picture.
I played up to AR50, just because I wanted something that I could do day-to-day, and genuinely enjoyed it for the first while. After about 2 months though, it became more and more obvious to me that I wasn't actually enjoying the game, and quit it outright. I definitely agree with basically everything you've said, and luckily I'm pretty controlled with my spending. 10/10 vid, love your content
i play genshin everyday, almost ar 60, never resin refreshed cuz thats stupid, and i can say the game is bad. i do not recommend playing it. my issues with the game expands beyond just the monetary systems used manipulate like an abusive relationship. like how characters are released janky, underwhelming, and incohesive with the gameplay and other characters.
This is one of the first videos I've ever watched responding to negative comments that genuinely didn't strawman a single argument. Good video, dude. Good video.
I used to play genshin and ended almost at ar 60 but I eventually realized that I was just waiting for the game to end(which it will never) so I quit and actually started playing botw and totk and now they're my new favorite games.
Damn dude imagine shifting the blame completely on the individual as if the company is not responsable to making the drop rates so crap. Some people enjoy the clown world i suppose
"you don't like genshin impact? Well Nintendo contributes to climate change you piece of garbage" -genshin stans
“It’s the spender’s fault for spending so much” mate, there are whole classes that teach people how you get people to spent more money in gacha games 😂
To a gacha corporation you are either “the whale” (a spender of money) or “the statistic” (the f2p who is farmed for their succulent player-retention)
Or yknow. "Chief of Monetization" roles at companies.
always remember, subjectivity is implied!
There's a reason these type of games are banned in belgium or new zealand
In this video, we get to watch gambling addicts defend the casino lol
7:15 This point really hits home for me. I used to play Genshin daily since day 1 as a f2p player, and I made it a goal to 36 star the abyss. With diligent minmaxing, I managed to do it within 5-7 months. I felt happy at the first clear, but after playing for months afterwards, the monotony got to me. I would have to do some minigame or web event I did not like in order to build up my supply of primogems. The abyss also got relatively monotonous with most battles being a DPS check asking for rock-paper-scissors where rock may be strong during one phase of the abyss while scissors would be strong in another phase of the abyss. The exploration was neat at certain points, but sometimes, some new areas require some tedium or some arbitrary barrier.
The grinding can be fun. Like MMOs, Genshin is trying to make its grinding fun (or at the very least, addictive). And I probably would have kept playing the game if I was playing with friends (i.e. how MMOs work), and while I met some nice people in the limited social aspects of Genshin, I realize I would have more fun in my life giving up the Genshin grind. And to report, so far, so good.
Subscribing because Yakko is nice enough to explain the kids that opinions are subjective
there is no way any of those commenters passed middle school
I just take breaks from Genshin when I'm tired of it. Every criticism against it just feels valid. For an open world game, its gacha systems restrict a lot of freedom. Still sad that I hardly earn any 5 Star weapons (I just want a Wolf's Gravestone, man).
Genshin would probably be my favorite game if it wasn't a Gacha at all.
Legit got a genshin impact ad in the middle of this video
The thing about 80% of the population… if they can’t buy a $60 switch game and a $300 switch, they probably can’t buy a smartphone either
I took a break from Genshin a couple months ago and have not once felt compelled to play it again for any reason other than to try out a new character or to help out my friends with an event. I've easily played for several hundred hours, and I can confidently say that the enjoyment I got out of the game was nowhere near enough to compensate for all the other shit I had to slog through. I still love the world and the characters, but at the end of the day, unless Hoyoverse listens to the community and makes Genshin an actual video game as opposed to an anime slot machine grindfest, I won't be returning any time soon.
So I'm gonna sum up the comments. Ahem...
"You didn't like it, but we liked it. So your statements and option is wrong. "
There you have it.
Your video made a LOT of good points. And I agree with most, if not all of them. For me, though, it's precisely *why* I play Genshin. I can play it for 15 minutes a day and put it down, and I don't feel any urge to play it more, because there is no pressure for me to actually play and/or grind. I'm not super interested in the gacha and I don't really want every character, so maybe I'm different. There is no challenge that will stress me out or overwhelm (unlike League and most mechanically intensive games I've since stepped away from), which is exactly what I'm looking for. Recently re-found your videos, and I love your humility. You've earned a sub from me! :)
Just as I watched this video, I got a genshin ad that I can get 20 free pulls. Oh the irony
nintendo tainted individual is such a good roast, because, I mean, he isnt wrong.
jeah he is. nintendo is just another company like most of them. they do shitty things and make mistakes. like most of them. unlike some they put out quality more consistently, and then they put out another pokemon game. but reducing a critique to "youre a fan of company xyz i win" is just braindead
It's funny I've been playing Genshin consistently since it first came out over a year ago. And I agreed with every aspect of your video. Objectively Genshin isn't very good, but that doesn't matter because I still find it fun. It's the game I look forward to coming home to to play for like 30 minutes and then move on to something else. It's the one aspect of my life where I don't feel like a failure because it's both fun, and easy. The only thing that actually pulled me away from playing this game religiously was Eldenring because that game is fun and also objectively very very good.
yup, i played genshin cause i wanted more botw, played it for a year and got sick of the predatory practices in the game, the combat is more fun at the start when new, i feel like genshin nerfs its own combat by locking characrters behind a paywall, abyss is an unfun dps check for whales, even tho i realize that the only redeeming qualities of the game are the music and design, i still had fun. still dont think gambling should be allowed to children or the worthless grind that feels like a job (that i love so i switched to playing jrpgs to grind)
@@kartxlol8023 it's locked behind too much switching char, one character can barely do anything when the skills on cooldown (and you only have one)
12:41 "I and 85% of the Genshin community reccomends this game"
as a person who has been part of the genshin community since basically the begining, that's some bullshit lmao
You're assuming the "community" is just the parts of it you see and hear on social media platforms. If all you surround yourself with are people who share the same opinion of the game as yourself, then yea no shit it'll feel like most people are upset with the game
The opposite is also true. If you surround yourself with people / look at posts that are more positive about the game, it can cause you to believe there's more people happy with the game than upset . We curate what we wanna see online . Damn near every social media platform is just a gathering place of numerous echo chambers.
@@justsomeguy727 i ain’t reading allat
I preferred the first thumbnail, the one you put on your community tab.
Great video Yakko!
I'm just so done with logging in everyday to the point I only play Genshin for big events and story update which takes two months
Genshin players are some of the most toxic people I've met. Anime pfps are truly the most dangerous threat
very true, once one of the english VA's of the game had a colapsed lunge and had to go to the hospital and people literally wished he died and were sad that he got out, they are literally disgusting
Mostly on twitter but true.
can't disagree on that one
From my experience playing the game and engaging with the community, I'd say it's an overgeneralization. Players joining my world in game have been some of the nicest interactions I've had in online gaming. And joining Discord servers / Twitch streams that aren't focused on meta or are ultra character simps tend to be pretty chill
The people who tend to be toxic I'd say is a vocal minority (and mostly on Twitter). It's just that with 50 million active players, the vocal minority is still a lot of f***ing people
There's a huge difference between people who actually play the game, and people that are in the fandom.
I've seen some pretty chill people in game, but online, nah they toxic af.
6:22 The difference is that other gacha games are mobile games that you leave on auto play while doing something else. Genshin is the most time intensive gacha. To get my weekly saints quartz in FGO all I have to do is play a total of around 1 hour and log in every day for about 10 seconds. Genshin wants at least half an hour a day and a lot more to properly optimize.
It is also, entirely pointless optimisation. Some people like that of course (big numbr go up) but i dont like spending metric moons to clear content that i already could. Doesnt help that clearing the content is never fun and is purely a matter of “how fast can i kill this enemy”
@@longtong9039 I tried Genshin when it was released and quit after about 2 weeks. Recently tried it again because my brother was addicted to it and got stuck at the first Raiden fight. My only option would have been to farm myself a set of 4 star artifacts so that I could farm a set of 5 stars. And then I quit.
Skullgirls Mobile recently updated their daily freebie system to be able to do like…5-6 tasks in a list to get all of your free daily rewards (including premium currency). Those tasks include stuff like…log in, open your daily relic, send a friend a gift, play a match in each of the game modes, etc. There’s also an auto-play feature that can pretty easily clear the daily events, and early streaks in the prize fights. I don’t ever feel like my time is wasted playing the game, and the events are monthly, so no FOMO if I can’t play. Skullgirls Mobile has its problems for sure, it’s far from perfect, but I look at games like Genshin and I go “Besides the anime aesthetic, what the fuck is worth my time in that game?”
Can't remember which YTber said it but it is mentioned GI takes AAA game level of effort to play but returns mobile game level of reward.
@@longtong9039 the only reason i get meta units and optimise is so i can spend less time in the game...... i mean if that doesnt say this games sucks i really dont know what will
tbh genshin fans are just gamblers who simp over anime girls
if i ever spend 300$ a month for the same characters as i already have but with wigs on please shoot me dead
9:50 Bruh, Acitvision and EA, two of the most notorious gaming pblishers both donating to charity. Doesn't mean all their shit is gone, huh?
The funniest thing is, is that i tried to get into Genshin before i even knew what it was like
Tried to play it on ps4 and pretty much stopped playing as soon as i saw that the game runs like doodoo lol
"i and a lot of genshin players recommend the game" yeah no shit. "I as someone who likes this critically mediocre piece of media recommend it so it has to be good"
"Nintendo tainted individual" is possibly the most hurtful insult ever written
I think their should be videos of good comments, so people can hopefully get an example of what they should comment
Can't believe I never realised that Yakko was a Nintendo Tainted Individual. It has revolutionised my world view learning this information
Forcing companies to tell you about the gacha rates is one of the rare things regulated in the industry. If they weren't forced to do it, they wouldn't
As someone who has never spent money in Genshin after playing since release, i agreed with most of your points
I played genshin every day for almost a year straight. Then i couldn't play one day cuz I was too busy. Then I realized just how much I liked not having to do the same repetitive missions every single day for some primogems. Haven't played since. I will play it again when the main story is finished
Thanks to that genshin vod it made me realize “wtf dude, you have a life.” And it did it I’m now grinding to get a good career lol I’ll still keep my switch nearby at all times tho
I have to say as a Chinese player I have seen mihoyo before they get big in the global market.
To make their fanbase toxic as hell is a trait of this company and many similar game developer. I have to guess it's something to do with how the Chinese online community likes it.
I liked zzz quite a lot but I have to say, if I have to choose a monetization model among f2p/p2w I actually prefer Korean games which the phycological tricks targets whales more(lots and lots of free gems but higher celling for whales). Rather than mihoyo games not only makes micro transactions much more rudimentary but also very time consuming.