I was walking down the hall chatting with one of my favorite professors (it was a neuro-psych class) and told him briefly about how much I like Sam Harris (the topics connect due to the neurology aspect) and he said “ahhhh?” In sort of a pained way so I said “what’s your issue with him?” And he said “well he’s sort of racist” and I didn’t want to take the time to tell him how wrong that assumption is, so I just said “I grew up in an extremely toxic Pentecostal Christian household (and schools)” and that I credit The End of Faith with saving my life when I was 15. He said “oh that makes a lot of sense why you would like him so much” and we shortly parted ways as we both had to go different directions, but it has always bothered me that someone that I find to be so intelligent and thoughtful thinks that about someone who simply speaks out about issues that are touchy in an effort to bring about discourse and change. It’s not his fault that there is still racism today or that many people who believe in Islam are middle eastern. He criticizes Christianity and others PLENTY too. Anyways, this huge misconception about him makes me sad because I now feel the need to keep to myself how inspirational and thoughtful he is and how much I admire him. Because people assume I’m racist by proxy of adoring him. Anyways… rant over. Just sucks and I can’t imagine how much it sucks for him.
And I want to add that I saw him in NYC in 2019 with Daniel Kahneman and it was truly a pleasure. Traveled from MN just for the event and it was fabulous! I still have my notebook filled with only-legible handwriting to me from trying to scribble out my thoughts as fast as possible since everything they were talking about was so interesting! And I keep that trip to myself because I don’t want to go on a 10 min lecture about how he isn’t racist at all.
Sam is the rare, modern, atheistic intellectual with a good moral compass and strong, well rounded sense of ethics. He also isn’t afraid to be unpopular and those are the best kinds of people
Speciesism is the first form of racism that all of us were taught. If you’re against racism, you should not be eating animals or wearing them or using them or exploiting them.
I use to respect Sam far more until he start behaving like Bill Maher by putting the blinders on with the behavior of the far right in Israel. Sam is a secular but if you watched his debate with orthodox clown Ben Shapiro Sam puts on the intellectual kiddy gloves rather than confront him for peddling religious myths.
@@amosbackstrom5366 I didn't notice until the last few years. I get Sam's criticism of Islam but he's far too obsessed with it. I think Sam's fixation is actually undermining secularism in Islamic countries. The Islamists see some seculars like Bens double standards and interprete it as "islamophobia" and "zionist" rather than take his secular arguments seriously (which they should even if his argumentative approach is ill considered) IMO Ben's ideological problem is he assumes because Islamists have the most religious fanatics he must therefore put most of his energies of criticism there. The right approach is criticize all religious groups in principled fashion. Singling out any specific group will just lead to that group feeling they are being "persecuted" which is counterproductive to goal of convincing them their religions are mythologies.. If someone sees a secular criticizing other religions too they are going to be much more receptive to the idea the criticism is authentic rather than ill-willed
Yes, the more you listen to him the more you run the risk to agree with his views on Arabs and that they should be eradicated. He makes you believe they are subhumans, dangerous and actually callous monsters.
Haha i don’t think it’s THAT much… because being sesquipedalian is NOT an asset. (lol, ironically big vocab word) But I agree that Sam just knows the right, precise words to get his point across. So I too often do learn new words from his measured way of speaking.
He is when it comes to religion and free will but not the topic of race. What racism today exists that doesn’t exist for whites? How are blacks disadvantaged? They actually have the ADVANTAGE and privileged especially in the UK.
@@jamesflaherty9250 Sam's position on Covid was not wrong and you will never win this brain worm argument. His position is that at that point nobody knew anything about the virus so to take precaution was a reasonable response as opposed to not believing in it. Later as he got more data he knew the reality of it and even he said he won't take the shot anymore, but only after the scientific process was allowed to be conducted. F outta here.
@@jamesa2482bruh, do actuall research. Black people are far less likely to be approved for loans, mortgages, student grants, etc. Black neighborhoods have consistently been gerrymandered throughout American history, making it more difficult for Black people to have a part in democracy. There are government officials on record confirming that the government spread harmful drugs in Black communities, and then specifically villainized those drugs and by extension, the people who they had already hooked on them.
I’m a Sam Harris fan but … a couple of talks I’ve heard where he addresses racism, I wonder whether he actually gets it-what it’s like TODAY for minorities. Yes, cause is in history but even in today’s environment, it continues to proliferate. Can’t just say it’s in the past and let’s just forget about it.
He's a propaganda agent...public figures in general are working for the rulling class to lead the herd in the desired direction...if you want a good role model check this guy out>> *drunvalo-melchizedek* 🙃
Sam is not rational. He wants to insult people like all red heads are stupid and does not want any push back or challenge, and then call you hysterical. He will say irrational insults in a calm voice. He is onr of those broadcaster who wants a 1 sided debate.
Still enjoy Sam a lot. The people who were thrown by his comments on Triggernometry... I'm not sure why they were. If you think about he's consistent. As far as he's concerned Trump with nuclear codes is one of the most dangerous things. A newspaper withholding a story isn't cool, but in the grand scheme of things... you can have a fully honest newspaper but it results in the world exploding. So in his mind it's like take your pick
Triggernometry demonstrated perfectly that he is consistent in his inconsistency. In that case he contradicted himself within the space of two sentences.
Speciesism is the first form of racism that all of us were taught. If you’re against racism, you should not be eating animals or wearing them or using them or exploiting them.
@@elliominati well I try fairly hard to grow my views from all angles. These two though just speak to me. Profound knowledge from both sides. Great advice, and they both really want the best for people. They are both very well thought out and often have the same conclusions but said differently and starting from different points. I also don’t believe theres always one correct answer. So I think they can both be right on certain things even when coming to a different conclusion. But yeah it’s definitely a mental workout sometimes.
Sam is a living proof that there is no contradiction between truthfulness and compassion. People like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson often imply compassion is a bad thing that works against truthfulness. In reality, one can acknowledge and discover truth of the world, while having a moral and compassionate goal.
Racism is alive and well while honest communication is on life support. Sam once said all we have to communicate is dialogue or violence, and thanks to the media our dialogue is quickly going downhill
I agree Sam, except the slow change in progress, keeps getting stifled by the GQP policies that look to undermine that progress, take for example those states litigating their right to gerrymander their majority and limit representation for minorities.
Well he should act in the way he says people act, because when it comes to Trumps mean tweets we does exactly the same he is criticizing . Harris response to Trumps words is blind hate and insults ; nothing else.
Douglas Murray kind of sucks. Yeah he “just got some data” but I wish Sam would see through him more. His studies have motivations, and no matter how many little “I’m not saying anything, just showing the data” lines he puts out there, his motivations are pretty clear and they’re weird. Sam’s only major blunder in my opinion.
Whoops, thinking of the wrong Murray, my bad. Douglas is alright but he’s also so ideological that instead of being balanced, he goes way reactionary thinking that being unbalanced balances things out. Feels like only a few like Sam actually take a balanced approach. But whatever, marketplace of ideas, etc.
@@Michael-kp4bd Yeah, Sam has now become so finely balanced that he blocks and cancels or refuses to engage with anyone who disagrees with him and might upset that balance.
I can’t stand Kwarteng whose Spelthorn constituency has become a terrible place as far as public transport, care of the elderly, the NHS etc are concerned. But his shi*y persona and policies are every bit conservative than anything skin colour related. However, a quote from Robert G. Ingersoll keeps coming to my mind in relation to people like Kwarteng and I’m wondering if I/it is racist in this context. I need to think
"This would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the great contributions of the Black community to our society. Their peaceful and generous nature make them ideal neighbors, lending testimony to their dedication to exceptional civic values, stable traditional families, parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture and their unflagging pride in maintaining exemplary clean, neat and orderly homes. Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people. Property values are boosted and energized by the entry of African Americans into an area thanks to the caring and sincere respect they show for these communities, their absolute dedication to lives of law abiding peaceful neighborliness, and the examples of all they have achieved through their enthusiasm for self improvement by hard work and a self-reliant, can-do culture of integrity and honor. Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation!!"
We really ought to have an honest discussion about racism, about how humans have always been territorial and tribal. We need to stop acting like we are more evolved than we actually are.
Some people HAVE TO keep the racism narrative alive, because 1. They need something to blame their incompetence & failures on, or 2. They need a way to keep certain segments of society under their control.
I like that Sam tries to take a more rational approach when discussing many topics. I think he would be served well by not downplaying the level of racism that is present in today’s society. I could see those who are most affected by racism to tune him out when he so severely downplays it, and those are the very people whose perspective we need in rational discussions about the problem.
Sam does not downplay the effect racism is having in our society. Racism still exists - but everything called racist is not racist. The fact is, we often cannot question claims of racism without being labeled racist for merely questioning.
I’ve heard people dismiss Sam Harris as Islamophobic, Jordan Peterson as “addicted to benzos”, and Joe Rogan as a far right conspiracy theorist. It never fails to amaze me how easily and thoughtlessly some people can dismiss some of the most brilliant and talented people of our generation. My life would be considerably worse without the presence of these men and their ideas in it. No man is perfect, that’s why we are humans and not gods. And I find it truly unbelievable that the same people who can look past Biden’s senility and Antifa’s terrorism, are also incapable of finding anything of value in these great men
The problem is when you say “our” society. You place the responsibility on yourself while “your” society is the one who made progress, as long as it exists in other societies you think that’s “your” failure to not make “your” society marketable to others You will always feel guilty about the past (that’s original sin) and you’ll misdirect it inwardly instead of helping the others who are still in chains
For as long as certain groups struggle navigating within the realms of a system inherently not theirs, or rather a 'way of life' not part of their' default characteristics...there will always be a dividing line: Especially when the only way forward is through! Race is not a social construct. Race too is a variable for culture formation.
Sam also knows precisely how common prejudice is, seeing as he's studied neurology. A vast majority of people display surprise signals akin to the signals displayed during an oddball test if you pair a picture of a black person with a good quality, say, hero. They are surprised to see black people as heroes, because they have a programmed belief that black people aren't heroes. :P And we can talk about it. No problem. I problematized racism using self-fulfilling prophecies. Minorities who expect the majority to be prejudiced will behave coldly towards them, and as such they will make it harder to form an meaningful relationship. There were objections to my idea, but noone called me a racist. In an academic setting. We are coded to be prejudiced. We will be fighting this fight for centuries, at least.
What you are describing is pattern recognition. It is an essential part of our development as a species and overall survival. It applies to everything in life. You can’t erase pattern recognition. You can try to ideologically program people to ignore this sense against their own well being . Expect resistance.
"...the moment you get 3 sentences down...someone's going to call you a racist...no one can afford to take that chance." This is what I've termed RAWMKYA: You're a Racist, And We Might Kick Your Ass, if you suggest American blacks have any responsibility for their actions, and/or dare to question any of their demands. Tragically, this has evolved over decades, to be the core strategy of black American cultural leaders, and well-meaning supporters, to fight racism. Yet decades of RAWMKYA, is just reinforcing racism against blacks. It only gives the illusion of fighting racism, because so many are rightfully afraid of being RAWMKYA'd. What goes unseen, is the subsequent avoidance of a culture associated with RAWMKYA. Avoiding doing business, hiring, and/or living near members of that culture. The same effect as actual racism. In effect, RAWMKYA is a shakedown. Paying protection money -- to avoid, as Sam notes, "reputational nullifying." Medieval, brute force thinking. And the shakedown is self-sustaining. As Sam notes, calling out RAWMKYA, risks your being RAWMKYA'd. Maybe 80% of what black American cultural leaders call racism, is just negative reaction to RAWMKYA. This isn't actual racism -- the belief that certain races don't deserve equal dignity, compassion and fairness (DCF). This is "I Don't Like Being Falsely Accused - ism." And "I Don't Like Getting My Ass Kicked - ism." News flash: Everyone -- black or nonblack -- is an "I Don't Like Getting My Ass Kicked - ist."
It was never about ending racism in our institutions, it was about empowering minorities, women, and subversive ideological factions that couldn't get in on their own merit.
@@Mark73 Yes they could, they're massively overrepresented because of all of the discrimination in their favor today, but even if that discrimination went away they would still be able to get in.
@@robertmartin6800 You immediately say "yes they could" out of pure defensiveness of your position, with no understanding of the situation that women and minorities have been in throughout history.
Progress has only been made in certain places. In 2010, I went to Chicago. While I was there, I saw women with women, men with men, blacks, with white, Latinos with whites, and all of the above. It reminded me of California. Where people can just be people. Then I got off the plane in Tulsa. Looked around, over there was your white group, over there was your black group, and over there was your Latino group. There was no race mixed. Tulsa is a very religious town. Religion is the cause of almost all the problems in the world. Look at the war in the middle east. It's about religious beliefs, it's about hatred of one religion over another. There is no form of hatred worse than religion. In the u.s. religious people are trying to make laws against the LGBT+ community. Religion is attacking the transgender women out of all of it. They want laws telling these people they don't have a right to their lives because it goes against their religious beliefs. These religious people did it back in the 60's to the black race. In the 80's they did it to the gays and lesbians. When will religion STOP hating people? In the 50's using your left hand was the sign of the devil. Left handed people were punished because of religious beliefs. In the 20's, religious men put there wifes in mental hospitals. If the women talked back or refused sex. These religious text books state in marriage a man has the right to force himself on his wife if his wife turns him down. Therefore, these religious text books advocate for rape. In the 1800's, religious towns used to hold lotteries. A lottery was the right for religious people to murder ian nnocent person. Today, people cherry pick their religious text books and call themselves good. If you need religion to be good, you're already a bad person. Religious people say that their religious beliefs give them morals and without their religious beliefs then they'd go out and murder, rape, and treat people badly. I state if there was a religious deity. Then we all have the right to mutder, raped, and abuse people. Why? Because at the end of the day, you can just ask for forgiveness and it's granted. Then the next day you go out and do it again. Look at the history of religion. The history speaks for itself. Religion is pure hatred. Religion is the cancer of humanity!!!
people talk about racism all the time. well, as long as the topic is how white people are racist towards black people. what isn't talked about is the incredible amount of hatred and racism coming from the black community.
I can afford to take that chance - because I'm financially independent, no longer needing to kow-tow to anyone - & I express my views accordingly, which includes a belief that black society needs to address serious issues ref their young men - statistically, they are an absolute disaster.
Im sorry, I love the way those that have fort the progress tooth and nail. Only to U-turn when progress has been made, despite their road blocks, to clam that we have all achieved this progress together.. And that those upset at the continued hate and disruption, are somehow unreasonable for being upset!!
You either want a liberal, free society or you don't. The ultra-left chose to abandon liberalism, in fact i'd say they only adopted liberalism in bad faith, so the days before wokeness are done. Sam is a classical liberal, I'm a conservative, I understand we don't see eye to eye on many issues besides this, but it still confuses me that he cannot grasp that MANY left-leaning minorities DO NOT and NEVER wanted the "diversity" white leftists tout. They want their own insulated communities, at best. That was my on the ground experience as a white leftist before wokeness was even a thing. So to me, it's not about "talking about race", per se. It's about whether you want to participate in a liberal, cooperative society, or not! If you don't agree to something as basic and no-brainer as that, what makes you think I'm going to stick around and help you? I'd rather work towards my and like-minded people's goals.
Zombie - for the life of me I cannot understand why white leftists don’t or can’t understand the racist nature of many minorities on the left! I’ve pointed it out to them numerous times and it just doesn’t register . A huge blind spot
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@@davidkeeton215 Let's not play dumb. The commenter is clearly referring to racial equality/equity in the modern United States. Thinking we're in a post racial society is much worse than thinking we have more work to do to make a society fair.
When thinking that we haven't done enough generates more hatred towards one race than the amount of hatred that was left to correct, then we're in a situation where it does more harm to think that we haven't done enough.
Translation: "when people tell me racism is getting worse and I disagree with them and then they call me a racist just because I told them to shut their pie holes about how bad it is for black people these days. It gives me the feels and isn't that the REAL injustice that someone said those words to me ME A WHITE MALE?!"
Let's pretend we're in that space where a conversation about race can safely happen - what is a narrative/ analytical framework? What are the questions? We've come vast distances. There is no endpoint. As many sentences as you like, but try for brevity. Mahalo.
We have to keep our Sam Harris. It’s not like we get a thousand Sam Harris and because Sam Harris said this or Sam Harris did that we should simply pivot to one of the other countless Sam Harris on offer, no. We only get one Sam Harris and it’s up to us not to fuck that up.
People talk with emotion on both sides. Plus its hard to talk while at the same time people are being killed in their beds sleeping. Who used us for slavery? Who developed Sam crow south? We both need to talk civilly but the people who broke it need to fix it. After 400 years I know you would love for everyone to sit down and be nice while your ancestors reap til this day, all the benefits from my ancestors being forced to work for free. Have a 1 on 1 convoy with Cornell west, he will not be calling anyone racist. Problem solved let's talk about it.
Everything and everyone is racist. The word has no meaning anymore, because the definition has been abstracted beyond any agreed meaning. Its now just an insult used by those experiencing cognitive dissonance.
I want so say due to the Dunbar # we have a limit to knowing based on who we can pull into what would be a trusted circle. In order to expand this we must use higher level category’s of visual and behavioral patterns to sift quickly through new actors that appear to us. Racisms, sexism, music gatekeeping, political And other forms of straw manning, all of it, is one in the same. They share the same function of trying to pick the must surface level category to attempt to identify this actor. Our own history and exposure to others is revealed here. But it is a function we all share on many different levels. Bullying is an anxiety response or something to feeling out of control in your ignorance of the objects or actors. Without having good data you can only poke at these surface level things which is terrible as often they are immutable differences. if only we could all recognize we all run on this same logic, I would hope anyway, that we would learn to get passed these lazy comments.
Can still be better, lot of cases for systemic racism being real and how police should be reformed in some way while giving communities more resources for social workers, because the fact is there isn't enough there to help alleviate the years of systemic issues caused by slavery amongst other racist actions done to build up America.
Yeah, we came a long way. But there is more to be done regarding systemic housing issues and the such. How is this controversial? I love Sam but I am not sure what message he is trying to send here. Nobody gets called a racist for saying "we came a long way".
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I was walking down the hall chatting with one of my favorite professors (it was a neuro-psych class) and told him briefly about how much I like Sam Harris (the topics connect due to the neurology aspect) and he said “ahhhh?” In sort of a pained way so I said “what’s your issue with him?” And he said “well he’s sort of racist” and I didn’t want to take the time to tell him how wrong that assumption is, so I just said “I grew up in an extremely toxic Pentecostal Christian household (and schools)” and that I credit The End of Faith with saving my life when I was 15. He said “oh that makes a lot of sense why you would like him so much” and we shortly parted ways as we both had to go different directions, but it has always bothered me that someone that I find to be so intelligent and thoughtful thinks that about someone who simply speaks out about issues that are touchy in an effort to bring about discourse and change. It’s not his fault that there is still racism today or that many people who believe in Islam are middle eastern. He criticizes Christianity and others PLENTY too.
Anyways, this huge misconception about him makes me sad because I now feel the need to keep to myself how inspirational and thoughtful he is and how much I admire him. Because people assume I’m racist by proxy of adoring him.
Anyways… rant over. Just sucks and I can’t imagine how much it sucks for him.
And I want to add that I saw him in NYC in 2019 with Daniel Kahneman and it was truly a pleasure. Traveled from MN just for the event and it was fabulous! I still have my notebook filled with only-legible handwriting to me from trying to scribble out my thoughts as fast as possible since everything they were talking about was so interesting!
And I keep that trip to myself because I don’t want to go on a 10 min lecture about how he isn’t racist at all.
So what was your professor actually thinking?
@@Margarinetaylorgrease what I said, that Sam is “sort of racist.”
know that your professor thinks you are a racist now too
That just shows how pernicious and “sticky” that kind of slander is.
Sam is the rare, modern, atheistic intellectual with a good moral compass and strong, well rounded sense of ethics. He also isn’t afraid to be unpopular and those are the best kinds of people
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Speciesism is the first form of racism that all of us were taught. If you’re against racism, you should not be eating animals or wearing them or using them or exploiting them.
I use to respect Sam far more until he start behaving like Bill Maher by putting the blinders on with the behavior of the far right in Israel. Sam is a secular but if you watched his debate with orthodox clown Ben Shapiro Sam puts on the intellectual kiddy gloves rather than confront him for peddling religious myths.
@mydogsbutler Sam has always been like this, since the Iraq War at least.
@@amosbackstrom5366 I didn't notice until the last few years. I get Sam's criticism of Islam but he's far too obsessed with it. I think Sam's fixation is actually undermining secularism in Islamic countries. The Islamists see some seculars like Bens double standards and interprete it as "islamophobia" and "zionist" rather than take his secular arguments seriously (which they should even if his argumentative approach is ill considered)
IMO Ben's ideological problem is he assumes because Islamists have the most religious fanatics he must therefore put most of his energies of criticism there. The right approach is criticize all religious groups in principled fashion. Singling out any specific group will just lead to that group feeling they are being "persecuted" which is counterproductive to goal of convincing them their religions are mythologies.. If someone sees a secular criticizing other religions too they are going to be much more receptive to the idea the criticism is authentic rather than ill-willed
It’s amazing to see Ben Stiller out of character like this - super thoughtful and articulate
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i love how this meme is so popular that even sam has joked about it on multiple occasions.
Ba-Dum-Tss!! 🎶🎵🤣
After one hour of social media ....hes voice hes tone and arguments it feel so good in my brain.
Rational thought outloud is like a cuddle for the brain
Yes, the more you listen to him the more you run the risk to agree with his views on Arabs and that they should be eradicated. He makes you believe they are subhumans, dangerous and actually callous monsters.
@@robmulally well said
I love listening to Sam, I learn a new word at least once every 5 speeches
My Scrabble game do be going up tho.
I recently learned the word “scrupulosity” lol
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Haha i don’t think it’s THAT much… because being sesquipedalian is NOT an asset. (lol, ironically big vocab word) But I agree that Sam just knows the right, precise words to get his point across. So I too often do learn new words from his measured way of speaking.
I'm listening to Dimbleby's Barbarossa, about Germany's invasion of Russia in WW2, and he is Sam's vocabulary equal, at least.
Maybe you should stop and read a book
The King of truth and logic! So easy to listen to
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
Voltaire
Oooh I like that!
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Voltaire is the most pretentious of all the already pretentious French philosophers
Some philosopher said it so it must be profound...
Sam is such a genius.
He is when it comes to religion and free will but not the topic of race. What racism today exists that doesn’t exist for whites? How are blacks disadvantaged? They actually have the ADVANTAGE and privileged especially in the UK.
Ask Sam if he was right about covid ? Wrong on all counts and admitted it to Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson
@@jamesflaherty9250 Sam's position on Covid was not wrong and you will never win this brain worm argument. His position is that at that point nobody knew anything about the virus so to take precaution was a reasonable response as opposed to not believing in it. Later as he got more data he knew the reality of it and even he said he won't take the shot anymore, but only after the scientific process was allowed to be conducted.
F outta here.
Sam is a moron when it comes to anything to do with trump
@@jamesa2482bruh, do actuall research. Black people are far less likely to be approved for loans, mortgages, student grants, etc. Black neighborhoods have consistently been gerrymandered throughout American history, making it more difficult for Black people to have a part in democracy. There are government officials on record confirming that the government spread harmful drugs in Black communities, and then specifically villainized those drugs and by extension, the people who they had already hooked on them.
Sam Harris telling it like it is, business as usual.
What can’t he say
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Hahahah. Sam also took 9 boosters. Hahahahhgahahah😂😂😂is
@@mikestain5963 That's a blatant lie but in your simple world that's a chore of yours to do.
@junimeme5626 how many did the genius take?
Reality frightens people, very few people our lining up to hear the uncomfortable truths rather they rush to hear the comfortable lies.
Sam admitted he will openly promote a lie if it benefits him.
What are the uncomfortable truths ?
@@randomclick2826 that doesn't sound like Sam
@@randomclick2826 That sounds like an interpretation on your part, and not what he actually thinks.
@@randomclick2826ink or it didn't happen.
He puts it so succinctly and clearly.
I’m a Sam Harris fan but … a couple of talks I’ve heard where he addresses racism, I wonder whether he actually gets it-what it’s like TODAY for minorities. Yes, cause is in history but even in today’s environment, it continues to proliferate. Can’t just say it’s in the past and let’s just forget about it.
give us a real life example
Take A Moment
Sam has a great mind
He literally just called people who didn’t want the covid vaccine as in a “cult”
He's a propaganda agent...public figures in general are working for the rulling class to lead the herd in the desired direction...if you want a good role model check this guy out>> *drunvalo-melchizedek* 🙃
@@SunnyLovetts He calls it like it is. The antivaxxers are a cult.
Hey look someone rational talking about race! Nice change!
Well, he does think that Rachel Dolezal is Black
Sam is not rational. He wants to insult people like all red heads are stupid and does not want any push back or challenge, and then call you hysterical. He will say irrational insults in a calm voice. He is onr of those broadcaster who wants a 1 sided debate.
My man Sam.
Sam took 9 boosters
@@mikestain5963what are boosters?
@@nicolasolton holy fuck
@@mikestain5963 ???
@@mikestain5963what’s a booster? Sam is so cool.
Our institutions are domains of Preferred Speech, not Free Speech. Only popular social sentiment rules, not the truth.
Sam is on point.
Love the conference. Brilliant!
The charge of racism carries almost no weight, after the last six years. It's empty.
That sounds like something a racist would say.
@@PlayNiceFolks Damn, you got him good.
It's overapplied.
Being said, I constantly see glaring, unmistakable examples of racism in TH-cam comment threads.
@@PlayNiceFolks That's a fine accusation... coming from a racist.
@@Reclusive247 no YOURE racist!
Still enjoy Sam a lot. The people who were thrown by his comments on Triggernometry... I'm not sure why they were. If you think about he's consistent. As far as he's concerned Trump with nuclear codes is one of the most dangerous things. A newspaper withholding a story isn't cool, but in the grand scheme of things... you can have a fully honest newspaper but it results in the world exploding. So in his mind it's like take your pick
Triggernometry demonstrated perfectly that he is consistent in his inconsistency. In that case he contradicted himself within the space of two sentences.
Not really. TDS much. Trump was the most isolationist of all previous 21st century Presidents.
Speciesism is the first form of racism that all of us were taught. If you’re against racism, you should not be eating animals or wearing them or using them or exploiting them.
There was great progress before, but after around 2010 it started to reverse
Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson are my favorite intellectuals to listen to.
and you manage to get out of bed with that amount of contradiction in your life? more power to you
@@elliominati well I try fairly hard to grow my views from all angles. These two though just speak to me. Profound knowledge from both sides. Great advice, and they both really want the best for people. They are both very well thought out and often have the same conclusions but said differently and starting from different points. I also don’t believe theres always one correct answer. So I think they can both be right on certain things even when coming to a different conclusion. But yeah it’s definitely a mental workout sometimes.
@@elliominatiwell said
Sam is a living proof that there is no contradiction between truthfulness and compassion.
People like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson often imply compassion is a bad thing that works against truthfulness. In reality, one can acknowledge and discover truth of the world, while having a moral and compassionate goal.
Racism is alive and well while honest communication is on life support. Sam once said all we have to communicate is dialogue or violence, and thanks to the media our dialogue is quickly going downhill
I agree Sam, except the slow change in progress, keeps getting stifled by the GQP policies that look to undermine that progress, take for example those states litigating their right to gerrymander their majority and limit representation for minorities.
When a country is built on Filtered information that's the dirt that's still hidden under the carpet.
(Omaha Nebraska)
Right on. More of this please!
Well he should act in the way he says people act, because when it comes to Trumps mean tweets we does exactly the same he is criticizing .
Harris response to Trumps words is blind hate and insults ; nothing else.
Well said
As Douglas Murray says, it’s an ‘overcorrection’.
No
@@robertsmith7667 Thanks Robert, fascinating stuff.
Douglas Murray kind of sucks. Yeah he “just got some data” but I wish Sam would see through him more. His studies have motivations, and no matter how many little “I’m not saying anything, just showing the data” lines he puts out there, his motivations are pretty clear and they’re weird. Sam’s only major blunder in my opinion.
Whoops, thinking of the wrong Murray, my bad. Douglas is alright but he’s also so ideological that instead of being balanced, he goes way reactionary thinking that being unbalanced balances things out. Feels like only a few like Sam actually take a balanced approach. But whatever, marketplace of ideas, etc.
@@Michael-kp4bd Yeah, Sam has now become so finely balanced that he blocks and cancels or refuses to engage with anyone who disagrees with him and might upset that balance.
I`d like to hear Sam`s views on MP Rupa Huq`s comments concerning Kwasi Kwarteng.
I can’t stand Kwarteng whose Spelthorn constituency has become a terrible place as far as public transport, care of the elderly, the NHS etc are concerned. But his shi*y persona and policies are every bit conservative than anything skin colour related.
However, a quote from Robert G. Ingersoll keeps coming to my mind in relation to people like Kwarteng and I’m wondering if I/it is racist in this context. I need to think
Loved today's podcast.
killing it with the shorts 🥂
Take a shot every time you hear "Mmm-hmm."
"This would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the great contributions of the Black community to our society. Their peaceful and generous nature make them ideal neighbors, lending testimony to their dedication to exceptional civic values, stable traditional families, parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture and their unflagging pride in maintaining exemplary clean, neat and orderly homes. Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people. Property values are boosted and energized by the entry of African Americans into an area thanks to the caring and sincere respect they show for these communities, their absolute dedication to lives of law abiding peaceful neighborliness, and the examples of all they have achieved through their enthusiasm for self improvement by hard work and a self-reliant, can-do culture of integrity and honor. Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation!!"
You put a lot of effort into that!
I literally just got turned on to mr Sam Harris hours ago,I am already a fan.
A very verbal and articulate description of my thoughts.
I keep hearing these talking points from older dudes who are liberal
I’m not for either party or idea so 🤷
We really ought to have an honest discussion about racism, about how humans have always been territorial and tribal. We need to stop acting like we are more evolved than we actually are.
If there seems to be something that needs to be corrected outside, something needs to be rearranged from within.
Some people HAVE TO keep the racism narrative alive, because 1. They need something to blame their incompetence & failures on, or 2. They need a way to keep certain segments of society under their control.
I like that Sam tries to take a more rational approach when discussing many topics. I think he would be served well by not downplaying the level of racism that is present in today’s society. I could see those who are most affected by racism to tune him out when he so severely downplays it, and those are the very people whose perspective we need in rational discussions about the problem.
Sam does not downplay the effect racism is having in our society. Racism still exists - but everything called racist is not racist. The fact is, we often cannot question claims of racism without being labeled racist for merely questioning.
Ben stiller be spittin
I’ve heard people dismiss Sam Harris as Islamophobic, Jordan Peterson as “addicted to benzos”, and Joe Rogan as a far right conspiracy theorist. It never fails to amaze me how easily and thoughtlessly some people can dismiss some of the most brilliant and talented people of our generation. My life would be considerably worse without the presence of these men and their ideas in it. No man is perfect, that’s why we are humans and not gods. And I find it truly unbelievable that the same people who can look past Biden’s senility and Antifa’s terrorism, are also incapable of finding anything of value in these great men
Sam for the win
You can talk about it all you like. I'm pretty sure there are entire academic careers devoted to the study of racism.
Yes, you can talk about it all you like - as long as you ONLY say the "correct" things.
The problem is when you say “our” society. You place the responsibility on yourself while “your” society is the one who made progress, as long as it exists in other societies you think that’s “your” failure to not make “your” society marketable to others
You will always feel guilty about the past (that’s original sin) and you’ll misdirect it inwardly instead of helping the others who are still in chains
For as long as certain groups struggle navigating within the realms of a system inherently not theirs, or rather a 'way of life' not part of their' default characteristics...there will always be a dividing line:
Especially when the only way forward is through!
Race is not a social construct.
Race too is a variable for culture formation.
Sam also knows precisely how common prejudice is, seeing as he's studied neurology. A vast majority of people display surprise signals akin to the signals displayed during an oddball test if you pair a picture of a black person with a good quality, say, hero.
They are surprised to see black people as heroes, because they have a programmed belief that black people aren't heroes. :P
And we can talk about it. No problem. I problematized racism using self-fulfilling prophecies. Minorities who expect the majority to be prejudiced will behave coldly towards them, and as such they will make it harder to form an meaningful relationship.
There were objections to my idea, but noone called me a racist. In an academic setting.
We are coded to be prejudiced. We will be fighting this fight for centuries, at least.
What you are describing is pattern recognition. It is an essential part of our development as a species and overall survival. It applies to everything in life. You can’t erase pattern recognition. You can try to ideologically program people to ignore this sense against their own well being . Expect resistance.
Wow what a crazy fresh take !!!
I didn't realize Kamala had a brother .
Yeah, as you are saying this, I imagine people calling you racist, but you're kinda used to it tbh, so you're basically the ice breaker
"...the moment you get 3 sentences down...someone's going to call you a racist...no one can afford to take that chance."
This is what I've termed RAWMKYA: You're a Racist, And We Might Kick Your Ass, if you suggest American blacks have any responsibility for their actions, and/or dare to question any of their demands.
Tragically, this has evolved over decades, to be the core strategy of black American cultural leaders, and well-meaning supporters, to fight racism. Yet decades of RAWMKYA, is just reinforcing racism against blacks. It only gives the illusion of fighting racism, because so many are rightfully afraid of being RAWMKYA'd. What goes unseen, is the subsequent avoidance of a culture associated with RAWMKYA. Avoiding doing business, hiring, and/or living near members of that culture. The same effect as actual racism.
In effect, RAWMKYA is a shakedown. Paying protection money -- to avoid, as Sam notes, "reputational nullifying."
Medieval, brute force thinking.
And the shakedown is self-sustaining. As Sam notes, calling out RAWMKYA, risks your being RAWMKYA'd.
Maybe 80% of what black American cultural leaders call racism, is just negative reaction to RAWMKYA.
This isn't actual racism -- the belief that certain races don't deserve equal dignity, compassion and fairness (DCF).
This is "I Don't Like Being Falsely Accused - ism."
And "I Don't Like Getting My Ass Kicked - ism."
News flash: Everyone -- black or nonblack -- is an "I Don't Like Getting My Ass Kicked - ist."
Yet sam still allowed it to beat his political opponents over the head with false racism.
Some of it's not so false.
@@countdebleauchamp why are you a RACIST ?
When has he done that?
@@dukedematteo1995 wake up to the world around you. DERP.
It was never about ending racism in our institutions, it was about empowering minorities, women, and subversive ideological factions that couldn't get in on their own merit.
What you're not getting is that they couldn't get in _even if their skill merited it._
@@Mark73 Yes they could, they're massively overrepresented because of all of the discrimination in their favor today, but even if that discrimination went away they would still be able to get in.
@@robertmartin6800 You immediately say "yes they could" out of pure defensiveness of your position, with no understanding of the situation that women and minorities have been in throughout history.
@@Mark73 I said that they could because it's true. If they were to compete on equal grounds with the rest of us, some of them would get in.
@@robertmartin6800 And many would be rejected in favor of white men who are less qualified.
I'm always willing to talk about racism.
So true Sam. This validation is coming from a black man.
Well put.
Progress has only been made in certain places. In 2010, I went to Chicago. While I was there, I saw women with women, men with men, blacks, with white, Latinos with whites, and all of the above. It reminded me of California. Where people can just be people.
Then I got off the plane in Tulsa. Looked around, over there was your white group, over there was your black group, and over there was your Latino group. There was no race mixed. Tulsa is a very religious town. Religion is the cause of almost all the problems in the world.
Look at the war in the middle east. It's about religious beliefs, it's about hatred of one religion over another.
There is no form of hatred worse than religion.
In the u.s. religious people are trying to make laws against the LGBT+ community. Religion is attacking the transgender women out of all of it. They want laws telling these people they don't have a right to their lives because it goes against their religious beliefs.
These religious people did it back in the 60's to the black race. In the 80's they did it to the gays and lesbians.
When will religion STOP hating people?
In the 50's using your left hand was the sign of the devil. Left handed people were punished because of religious beliefs.
In the 20's, religious men put there wifes in mental hospitals. If the women talked back or refused sex.
These religious text books state in marriage a man has the right to force himself on his wife if his wife turns him down. Therefore, these religious text books advocate for rape.
In the 1800's, religious towns used to hold lotteries. A lottery was the right for religious people to murder ian nnocent person.
Today, people cherry pick their religious text books and call themselves good.
If you need religion to be good, you're already a bad person.
Religious people say that their religious beliefs give them morals and without their religious beliefs then they'd go out and murder, rape, and treat people badly.
I state if there was a religious deity. Then we all have the right to mutder, raped, and abuse people. Why? Because at the end of the day, you can just ask for forgiveness and it's granted. Then the next day you go out and do it again.
Look at the history of religion. The history speaks for itself. Religion is pure hatred.
Religion is the cancer of humanity!!!
The list of topics that can't be discussed has gotten quite long lately.
people talk about racism all the time. well, as long as the topic is how white people are racist towards black people. what isn't talked about is the incredible amount of hatred and racism coming from the black community.
One year later Sam shows the world they were right
He's awesome
there r also some that believe that this country belongs 2 them and them only. that 2 me is the bigger problem.
I can afford to take that chance - because I'm financially independent, no longer needing to kow-tow to anyone - & I express my views accordingly, which includes a belief that black society needs to address serious issues ref their young men - statistically, they are an absolute disaster.
I mean statistically the way young Black men are treated in Sam Harris's society is way more of a disaster
Yes if you disagree come debate Armin Navabi or Atheist Republic - he is a much more accessible public intellectual with similar views as Sam here
Always focus on "racism" in the west and completely ignore the rest of the world doing the same if not way worse
Free speech!
Sam is the best
Sam Harris has to admit that his background is the most racist😅
This y I like Sam Harris. 👍
Im sorry, I love the way those that have fort the progress tooth and nail. Only to U-turn when progress has been made, despite their road blocks, to clam that we have all achieved this progress together.. And that those upset at the continued hate and disruption, are somehow unreasonable for being upset!!
You either want a liberal, free society or you don't. The ultra-left chose to abandon liberalism, in fact i'd say they only adopted liberalism in bad faith, so the days before wokeness are done.
Sam is a classical liberal, I'm a conservative, I understand we don't see eye to eye on many issues besides this, but it still confuses me that he cannot grasp that MANY left-leaning minorities DO NOT and NEVER wanted the "diversity" white leftists tout. They want their own insulated communities, at best. That was my on the ground experience as a white leftist before wokeness was even a thing.
So to me, it's not about "talking about race", per se. It's about whether you want to participate in a liberal, cooperative society, or not! If you don't agree to something as basic and no-brainer as that, what makes you think I'm going to stick around and help you? I'd rather work towards my and like-minded people's goals.
Who hurt you bro
Sam has been very critical of the left.
He's doing it right now, in this video.
Zombie - for the life of me I cannot understand why white leftists don’t or can’t understand the racist nature of many minorities on the left! I’ve pointed it out to them numerous times and it just doesn’t register . A huge blind spot
Thanks 👍
So clearly explained
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i hate sam harris on this point, for someone that did mdma with a buddy at 15 he should be adamant the racist drug war ends.
I was told to my face that the Japanese actually prefer things that way. And who am I to beileve otherwise?
And that someone is Ben Affleck.
Well, Sam Harris did racialise religion in that exchange
Which does more harm, people thinking that we haven’t done enough or people thinking we’ve done enough or too much? I think it is the latter.
It depends on the circumstances and extent. "Way too much" might do more harm than "nearly enough".
@@davidkeeton215 Let's not play dumb. The commenter is clearly referring to racial equality/equity in the modern United States. Thinking we're in a post racial society is much worse than thinking we have more work to do to make a society fair.
When thinking that we haven't done enough generates more hatred towards one race than the amount of hatred that was left to correct, then we're in a situation where it does more harm to think that we haven't done enough.
The problem is which one is true, not which one causes harm.
@@Metacarn48 No, the problem is ideological extremism, and lack of nuance on these topics, which you are perpetuating.
Translation: "when people tell me racism is getting worse and I disagree with them and then they call me a racist just because I told them to shut their pie holes about how bad it is for black people these days. It gives me the feels and isn't that the REAL injustice that someone said those words to me ME A WHITE MALE?!"
Do those 85 edits in mid-word mean that this is a fake video or was whoever made it just on crack?
Let's pretend we're in that space where a conversation about race can safely happen - what is a narrative/ analytical framework? What are the questions?
We've come vast distances. There is no endpoint.
As many sentences as you like, but try for brevity.
Mahalo.
I listen to Sam Harris for manu years now and not once was he racist un his statements.
Am listening 🎧..
am willing to learn...
We have to keep our Sam Harris. It’s not like we get a thousand Sam Harris and because Sam Harris said this or Sam Harris did that we should simply pivot to one of the other countless Sam Harris on offer, no. We only get one Sam Harris and it’s up to us not to fuck that up.
This coming from the guy who advocated for a nuclear first strike in the Middle East
People talk with emotion on both sides. Plus its hard to talk while at the same time people are being killed in their beds sleeping. Who used us for slavery? Who developed Sam crow south? We both need to talk civilly but the people who broke it need to fix it. After 400 years I know you would love for everyone to sit down and be nice while your ancestors reap til this day, all the benefits from my ancestors being forced to work for free. Have a 1 on 1 convoy with Cornell west, he will not be calling anyone racist. Problem solved let's talk about it.
What's this from?
Ben so great for an insightful view of man and our history
Everything and everyone is racist.
The word has no meaning anymore, because the definition has been abstracted beyond any agreed meaning.
Its now just an insult used by those experiencing cognitive dissonance.
Almost always with those infected with the woke religion.
Brilliant
"We" had a lot to atone for? Who is "we"? I wasn't even born. What have I got to atone for?
Dang I just measured my arms and tho I'm one cm shorter than o'malley, i got one cm more reach, let me at him 👊🏼
I want so say due to the Dunbar # we have a limit to knowing based on who we can pull into what would be a trusted circle. In order to expand this we must use higher level category’s of visual and behavioral patterns to sift quickly through new actors that appear to us.
Racisms, sexism, music gatekeeping, political And other forms of straw manning, all of it, is one in the same. They share the same function of trying to pick the must surface level category to attempt to identify this actor. Our own history and exposure to others is revealed here. But it is a function we all share on many different levels.
Bullying is an anxiety response or something to feeling out of control in your ignorance of the objects or actors. Without having good data you can only poke at these surface level things which is terrible as often they are immutable differences.
if only we could all recognize we all run on this same logic, I would hope anyway, that we would learn to get passed these lazy comments.
Geez, Sam needs to take a nap. He looks like he's been up for weeks
Humans now have never been less racist in all of history .
Sam needs new material
Who are you quoting, and why did it take you two attempts to post this?
Can still be better, lot of cases for systemic racism being real and how police should be reformed in some way while giving communities more resources for social workers, because the fact is there isn't enough there to help alleviate the years of systemic issues caused by slavery amongst other racist actions done to build up America.
Yeah, we came a long way. But there is more to be done regarding systemic housing issues and the such. How is this controversial? I love Sam but I am not sure what message he is trying to send here. Nobody gets called a racist for saying "we came a long way".
💯💯💯
at least we have up all our values to get rid of trump